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[lord ducki]

Good bye TAOers,

Regrettably, the time has come for me to hang up my boots and stop playing this game. I did not want to do this as I truly enjoy playing it and for the most part enjoyed the community and the friends I developed here. I sincerely thank you all for the good times and the challenging matches. I want to thank my clan for teaching me this game and being part of their greatness. Like many of the leaders have said, it is not about the game, it is about the friends, which have crossed over into family. Sadly, I will miss you people the most.

However, based on DR’s PM (see below), I am not offered any other option that leaves me with any self-respect. I realize this is just a game, but some things are worth fighting for. In this case, I have chosen not to fight, as it would only harm those I care about. Instead, I am walking away from the drama, but not without a little note.

DR’s PM came after I had an unpleasant exchange with theburning, which went along the line of (I am including it here not to be petty, but to give a context of the story):

Me asking for a match.
Her saying no.
Me asking why not
She explaining that EVERYONE knew she was waiting for a tourney game.
Me saying that I don’t know anything about that, as I consciously do not partake in any TAO sponsored tournaments.
Her slamming friends of mine in the tournament calling them sore losers
Me saying that well it was understandable they are upset and that she made a blunder, as she is inexperienced.
Her calling me a prick
Her responding that she did not like the off color comments I put in my clans secret forums.
Me asking her how she knew that
Her lying that one of our leaders told her
(which makes you wonder that if she is spying here, what prevents her or any of the other mods from spying elsewhere in other clans?)
Me asking her if it rained a lot where she lived as it might be health hazard with her nose so high in the air.
Her calling me an asshole.
Unable to resolve our dialogue (note that I never cursed in ANY way to this insecure child) in a constructive adult way, the resident village tramp, er I mean mod, runs to tell DR about the big bad scary duck.

Unable to overcome the cerebral gridlock within his brain (and I use that term loosely), DR PM’s this to me.


DivineRight wrote on 08-20-2004 06:37 AM:
What is your major malfunction? Who do you think you are going and disrespecting Julia, who also happens to be a moderator for this site and game?

I assign her duties and responsibilities that she has to meet, if we choose not to play you, it doesn't mean we are "scared", it means we are busy. Even if you aren't intelligent enough to appreciate what she brings to this game and my company, at least realize that any respect for me should transfer over to her.

Your attitude is disgusting, disregarding her tournament organizational skills, bad-mouthing her on your private forums but now you are getting bolder and doing it on MY servers. Here is a wake-up call for you. I will ban you from my forums and my servers if you don't pull your head out of your ass. We have spoken to Twelve about you, I will notify all of my moderators about your actions and attitude.

Sit back and think for a minute, who Julia is, who I am and then who you are. Then think about all the people who have pissed me off in the past and where they are now. I don't need an appology, I don't even need a response. Take this to heart and pass it on to your friends who support your views.

-DivineRight


(For those of us speaking English, that translates to “Me confused. Me smash.”)

DR,
Me apologize for your mod calling a customer a prick and an asshole? Get real.

Perhaps that kind of language works well with the little kids in your customer base, but not with adults and definitely not with me. Rather than opening a dialogue to root out the issue and hear both sides of the story, you chose the infantile response to threaten me by banning me from the community and the game.

As you have done repeatedly with out customers in these forms time and time again, you threaten rather than discuss. I know treating, much less talking, to others like a human being is not your strength, most likely due to your upbringing or environment, but a better approach would have been to have a chat with me on AIM or pms to open a dialogue of constructive resolution. Hopefully, when this happens in the future, and looking at your “staff” I am sure it will, you will look past your ego and make friends rather than enemies.

No one threatens me, and I do mean NO ONE. So in terms of “banning” my IP, it would not have worked with someone like me. Although, I would have liked to really test out your “abilities”(yup, that term is used loosely too) as I know a wee something about networking. It would have sent me into sheer giggles having your shut out customers as I use another web proxy from another part of the world to give me another anonymous IP address. Perhaps, if you threaten, don’t make them empty.

However, let me save you the trouble. I am a man of honor, something someone who uses intimidation tactics rather then civil dialogue would never understand. Hence, I will quit to avoid a conflict that disrupts my clan and TAO, as I have come to call some of these people friends. Heck, it does me a favor as it gives more time for spending my money and time on launching my new business.

For what it is worth, I have enjoyed playing this game that you and your company administers outside of continued torrent of ME KING! ME GOOD, YOU BAD! ME SMASH YOU PUNY INSECT! Seed made a clever game what warrants credit to his abilities. And for the most part, I have enjoyed the community. However, your attempt at administering the community in order to build a profit has all ended up creating an atmosphere fostering the worst of human behavior, cheating, hacking, lies, etc. Hopefully, you can overcome your character and stop the spiral.

Furthermore, in terms of you’re asking me to things to think about, I have thought about them and here are my conclusions:

Who Julia is? – Someone who lacks tact; seeks only self-interest, and is playing you for a fool.

Who You are – Big fish in a little fishbowl, confuses chivalry with being pussy whipped, insecure, earning a living administering someone else’s (Seed) genius.

Who I am? – I am guy who used to enjoy playing this game for the last 9 months, spent time teaching lesser players the game, exposed cheats and frauds, tried to raise the quality of the game and community, and who now has more time to spend with his family and run his businesses.

Where are the other players you have banned? – Either still here as you have failed to remove them or are happily spending their time and money elsewhere or have completely forgotten about you and this game other than the occasional memory when scratching their ass.

I can respect your staff loyalty in defending your mod (rumor has it you paid for her to be your fiancé), but your approach was inappropriate and uncalled for. What I can tell you is that this woman is taking you for a ride at the expenses of your business and integrity. I suggest trying to find impartial staff and find a sex life outside of the office. It never works, trust me I speak from experience.

Oh one more tip, respected is earned, not demanded.
Now the question is not if we respect each other sir, but if your community respects you. Your megalomania and totalitarianism, which you repeat time and time again in your forum posts, is not a form of true leadership it is a dictatorship where you are playing the dic. It is only an illusion that can hold you for a while, but in the end, you are stuck with only yourself and the people who don’t think. Is that really how to scale your business?

Good luck to you and your business.

All good things come to an end. Pity it was reduced to this.

Good-bye TAOers.

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in this post are mine and in NO WAY reflect those of my clan or friends. They are in NO WAY responsible for my actions or statements. I took this action without their consultation or direction.

PS. Who said I would ever go gently into that good night. ;)

[Hatchet Warrior]

Ducki, it is sad to know that you are going. I have had fun for the five months that I have been in netjak with you. But as for DR threating anyone, that should not be happening, that is most likley why more people go over to legends. Julia, you should also stay out of the netjak forums, you have been cought now. But to the point, The clan, and everyone in it will be waiting for you if you ever come back.

DR, if you do read this, you can go ahead and ban me if you take it wrong, but letting a mod get away by calling a customer an asswhole, that is just not right.

The Hatchet Warrior

[max2k106]

man, thats not cool

[Eagle]

friends are friends, power is power, and if you dont have it, life sucks.

but then again...
Views are different, truths are bent, people are corrupt. Question is who...

I can't side for you, or take any of what you said as truths. However i can give you the benefit of the doubt on your character and wish you a fond farewell, so for what it's worth, take care.

DR was hard off at first but then became a very understanding guy to me. I don't beleive i've had the pleasure with this Julia though i've said a hello and got no response. This is a hell of an introduction for her to me eh?

[theburning]

I'd like to know if he has any screen shots to show that the conversation that he claims took place between him and me was how it happened?

It's interesting how he changed the whole thing around to make it look as though I said/did things which I infact never did.

It's also quite interesting that this grown man needed to resort to lying to make himself look like some sort of victim.

[FryLock]

Wow. A TAO legend departs.

Ducki, you will be missed. I've posted more in our forums, so if you see this first, check there. Suffice it to say here that a great TAO player and a great person is leaving us. I am saddened, but respect your decision.

I've tried not to step into the "netjak vs. the world (or just burning / DR)" fray thus far. I hope that anyone who reads this post now will take it with a grain of salt and realize that I am not here to foment trouble - as a law student, I pride myself on being able to tackle all sides of the issue as fairly as I can, without exterior parties attacking my or my views. Having said that...

DR, you know I respect you and your mods for maintaining the mirror servers. Hell, whatever anyone's opinion may be, you do indeed "make" GL, Banff, and Army operate. Without these things, I'd probably have to do much more homework...:)
I also understand the concept of respect insofar as it applies to you and your mods. I get extremely frustrated when a mod comes on and gets spammed unmercifully for green writing, extra dragons, what have you. It's a rough job, and unless I'm mistaken, the mods do it voluntarily, i.e., they don't get paid.
At the same time, there must be a reciprocal amount of respect by the higher-ups for their customers. burning - unless you name a name and said name backs it up, I have a very hard time believing that one of our leaders gave you information from our private forums. Our netjak.com forums are just that - private. Taking offense to what we say in there goes beyond the scope of your job as a mod, and beyond the scope of your influence as a person. If for some reason, you have joined our forums under false pretenses...for shame. Shame on you. Those forums are there for our clan to share its joys, sorrows, triumphs, tragedies, and yes, anger. I won't lie - many of us were frustrated by your running of the tag-team tourney. This response is NOT about that, though, so I'll avoid getting into it here. Suffice to say that regardless of what we say in our forums, running around the servers spouting off about how the netjak tourney teams are sore losers is poor form ineed. I said in a previous post, and I will say it again -
Discretion is the better part of valor!
If we say offensive things in OUR forums, it is because we realize that to post them here would be uncouth and classless. Whatever you may think about netjaks, most of us are NOT here to cause trouble or make your life personally bad.
And yet, you seem to go to great lengths to diss us. I would assume that part of being a mod is trying to keep a fair mind. Admittedly, I do not know the whole story, but actions speak louder than words, and many people have heard your version of how netjaks are sore losers, have no respect, etc. We've tried to keep our b*tching to a minimum, at least on these public forums and in the game.
Using statements from our PRIVATE forums, however you obtained them, and running your mouth off about us to anyone who will listen shows a distinct lack of class.

There is fault on both sides here - no one is ever blameless- but I am loyal to my clan, my family, and I am saddened to see the treatment ducki has received. If nothing else, he was a loyal supporter of the game itself, and he always helped mold better opponents, and gave his competitors fierce games.

Perhaps this diatribe has colored me as "one of THOSE" now in the eyes of DR and the mods, but this needed to be said. Take it as you will.

-EDIT-
I posted the above BEFORE I saw theburning's response. In response to what she has written, again realizing that this may anger those in charge-

HOW DARE YOU?! HOW DARE YOU, MA'AM?! Accusing ducki of lying...throwing an insult at his back as he leaves...you'd think that someone who goes to such great lengths to show her professionalism and impartiality would have better taste. How bush league. How utterly disgusting. This is my first open attack on a mod, and I realize it may land me in hot water, but so what...
burning - did you ever think that rationally and calmly defending your position would defuse a lot of these situations?! More so than your grandstanding and insult-mongering. Mods are supposed to have JUDGEMENT and TACT. You seem to have a lousy sense of the former and absolutely none of the latter.

[Duffman]

Oh one more tip, respected is earned, not demanded.

Yes it is. Burning has done a lot more for the TAO community then you could ever imagine. She has earnt respect through the countless hours she has poured into bettering the game for everyone. And then assholes like you bad mouth her because in your bias opinion she made a mistake and expect her not to react?

I thought you were a little more intelligent then that.

Everything DR wrote to you was correct. You were the one out of line.

Perhaps it is better if you do leave.

EDIT - Frylock:
How do you know Ducki wasn't lying? Were you there?

I'm sorry but in my opinion everyone is different. You can't include of all netjak into how you feel. Everyone has their own opinions. And that was mine.

[theburning]

I'm not certain why Eindeg thinks I said a clan leader told me of the posts in your forums, but that information is entirely false.

My 'accusations' of lying are caused by the fact that his version of the story is not the way the conversation on rev actually happened.

[FryLock]

If a clan leader did not give you the information from our PRIVATE forums, then how did you come by it?

I am also amused as to how none of the (possibly bad, possibly good) points I made are adressed in your response. I am certainly opening myself up to flaming by stating this fact, but it is interesting....

[Hatchet Warrior]

If that is how it happened, tell your side of the story, unless it is really truth and you don't want to addmit it.

[theburning]

I'm not really certain why the person who told me of it is relevant? The point is - I never said twelve was the one who told me. I simply said that someone who felt I had a right to know told me.

I can assure you that I truly have no interest in 'spying' on your forums.

[FryLock]

Originally posted by theburning
I'm not really certain why the person who told me of it is relevant? The point is - I never said twelve was the one who told me.

We never said twelve was the one who told you either...and I notice you still fail to respond to most of my post, instead choosing to focus on one minute aspect of it.

[max2k106]

i've got an interesting question about this topic. . . is not part of being a good union/ country / clan or anything having information on your rivals or anyone in that matter . . . i mean . . . look at CH . . . AoL has personally told me that he has had spies in KoTR back in the day . . . netjak, SI . . . any major clan you can name on banff

[FryLock]

This is turning into an edit-post kind of deal! Oy. :eek:

Duffman - nowhere in my post did I claim to speak for all of netjak. If you read carefully, you'll notice I use the pronoun "I" instead of "we". I think I made very clear that the opinions expressed were my own. Thanks for being a careful reader.

Max - way to ram the discussion off the actual topic. :)

[Hatchet Warrior]

Max, it actually does in away, but if you can't figure it out, don't post on this thread.

[max2k106]

lol, whatever man, your fight, not mine

[Duffman]

Originally posted by FryLock
Whatever you may think about netjaks, most of us are NOT here to cause trouble or make your life personally bad.

Apparently I read your post a little closer then you did.

What do you call that in lawyer terms... Generalisation.

[theburning]

I wasn’t aware there was more than one clan leader?
I spoke with twelve at great lengths on this subject on MSN, I'm not sure why it needs to still be discussed?

I didn't reply to your points due to the fact I find this whole thread was a tad too much overacting.
I also don't find arguing ever solves anything.

It seems to me most people already have their mind made up on this subject, so I don't feel it needs to be discussed/argued any further.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Duff, he said I no we, maybe you need to read alot closer.

[xyxaxyz2]

What a ridiculous thread.

Even if every word you posted was true, Eindeg, thats not a reason to quit this game.

It is just a game. A clan isn't something to take this seriously.

[Hatchet Warrior]

xyx, as true as you may think it is, a clan can mean alot to a person after the built it up on a server from scratch trying to keep it going like is on the other servers.

[xyxaxyz2]

HW, I know that from personal experience. Some of NJ seems to think their clan has significance beyond the TAO world though- its pretty disgusting.

Its rare to see overreaction as large as Eindeg's and Frylock's.

[Hatchet Warrior]

xyx, as much as that sounds true, other clans also have some members like that, I have seen a few overreactions like that.(nothing bad against you fry or ducki) It doesn't disgust me either.

[roody poo]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
Some of NJ seems to think their clan has significance beyond the TAO world though- its pretty disgusting.


Well to me it does. Netjak.com is a site that was around long before TAO. Not only have I established relationships with my netjak tao family, but have established relationships on the boards for other topics as well. I don't live at my computer but I do work in the industry, thus much of my time at work is spent online. I've enjoyed my experience greatly.

Sorry if that disgusts anyone.

[Twelve]

This is all I have to say, because I've spoken to every party involved with this situation personally and I'm currently waiting to see what kind of truths pop up:

There's all kinds of crap going on behind the scenes, someone is wanting to get clan [netjak.com] in trouble, and this person(s) is succeeding.

Currently. :)

Farewell, Ducki...admittedly, I wish you didn't have to go out like THIS...but you know you gotta do what you gotta do. You're man enough to suffer the consequences.


12

[plusminus]

I'm not going to get into the argument here, since I'm not a really part of it in any way. All I have to say is.. it's spelled Adios.

;)

Too bad to see you leave like this.

[xyxaxyz2]

All I'm saying: Netjak.com is a clan, not a cult. You take yourselves way too seriously. Which is ok as long as you don't bring others into it like you are now.

No one is out to get you. No one even cares about you.

[Twelve]

Originally posted by xyxaxyz2
All I'm saying: Netjak.com is a clan, not a cult. You take yourselves way too seriously. Which is ok as long as you don't bring others into it like you are now.

No one is out to get you. No one even cares about you.

Xyx, step off. Nobody is talking to you so mind your own.


12

[xyxaxyz2]

I've been watching this all from the side, and it does affect me a lot more directly than you might think.

[Twelve]

Oh, I know why it affects you. Doesn't mean you actually have anything to do with the situation. Step off. You'll only make a bad thread go worse.


12

[xyxaxyz2]

You're right; I will not post here in the future.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Originally posted by roody poo
Well to me it does. Netjak.com is a site that was around long before TAO. Not only have I established relationships with my netjak tao family, but have established relationships on the boards for other topics as well.
Sorry if that disgusts anyone.

Word.

[Hugh Junit]

It's very sad to see you go, ducki. Netjak is losing one of it's oldest, best and most dedicated members. You will be missed.

[old_man_killer]

Ducki, I really hate to see you go out this way. No one can ever deny the contributions you have made to Netjak and TAO as a whole. You have defined the art of the grey account game. Good luck.

[FryLock]

*Having calmed down a bit*

Duffman - I'm still not sure where you're getting off. It is indeed a "generalization" (dictionary, buddy) that most netjaks are actually not here to stir up trouble. True, we are a loud, volatile group with a big presence - but generally, most of us are here to have fun! Look at at 12 vs. everyone in the battle of yo mamma jokes on our clan discussion thread :)

xyx - I've never played you nor really had any interaction with you...but I've always respected you from what I know. I'm sure my opinion means nothing to you, but...
What roody said is true. There's a reason most netjaks call the clan a "family". On our forums, we talk about a lot more than TAO. We email each other, we post about what's going on in our lives, call it strange if you want, but we're actually friends outside of TAO inasmuch as internet-using people can be. I have an inkling of why you rushed to the defense of a certain someone in this thread, and to that, I simply say take your own advice - it's a game...if what you say about our clan taking relationships too seriously is true, your behavior is a touch hypocritical, no?

Anyway. Sorry about my outburst last night - law school studying takes a toll on me. If you also can't tell, I'm very protective of anyone I consider a friend.

[max2k106]

wasnt this just supposed to be a good bye thread? if it was . . . look at what its turned into

[K. Ravenlock]

This sucks.

[Lord Achilles]

For once I'm with Ducki and Netjak on this one. The staff here runs on the presis of I'm God, you do what I say, when I say, or I ban you." I've played many other online games, and been part of many other communities, and I've yet to see one like this.

First off, you've got a mod who had no qualifications to become a mod, was here about a month before she became a mod, and was only made a mod because someone was hoping to get some. Very sad.

Then you've got two people who makes a buisness, builds it up to greatness, then abandon it completely, don't tell you where they're going, why they're leaving, and when they'll be back. They told us nothing, and just left us with DR.

This is the most irresponsible staff I have ever encountered for an online gaming community. This is their domain. Nothing applies to them, just like the respect of they paying customers. I saw some of that arguement with Ducki and Julia, on another name I'd prefer to keep to myself, and that person would also not like to let people know I use it. And the part I saw, he posted it almost exact.

Julia stepped way out of line, her power got to her head and for some reason she thought she had the right to treat Ducki like an underling. Julia. I want you to think about somthing. If you were ugly. Or a boy. Would you be a moderator? Most of the people who play this game talk about how you only got that job because DR has a sick mind, and wanted you bad.

With that....

Ducki, it's very sad to see you go. You deserve much better than this, and have done alot for this community. I would hope that maybe you would give me one game, as I haven't been privelaged to one with you yet. If not, I hope wher ever you go in life brings you great fortune, and good luck with everything. You are a respectible person and it is sad to see you go.

[FryLock]

Originally posted by theburning


I didn't reply to your points due to the fact I find this whole thread was a tad too much overacting.
I also don't find arguing ever solves anything.


Interesting words...too bad they don't ring true. You claimed to have been upset / offended by something that was on our private forums. However you got that information, you were upset. Ok. That's fair. You also make a point about how people should watch what they say. Ok. That too, is fair.

Too bad actions speak louder than words. An acquaintance of the clan (I will not reveal his/her name) delivered the following to us - apparently it was garnered in a conversation that s/he had with you:

"I hate them. netjakoff.cum"

While I give you props on the...creative...pun you played with our name, I find this behavior sad, especially when you trash on us for doing the same thing.

Being a mod means being fair and trying not to let personal feelings dictate your actions. As a mod, you're in the limelight, you are going to have people sniping at you. That's the curse of responsibility and notoriety. Because you are a mod does NOT give you permission to run around shooting your mouth off. In fact, it means you must exercise a level of decorum that we, the non-mods, do not have to observe as carefully. You're in the spotlight - act accordingly. Public figures are always subject to scrutiny, and the succesful ones tend to let the insults slide right off their back. They don't condemn one action and then turn around and do the exact same thing. I am disappointed in your recent maturity level, Julia. I respect your position and what you do for the game, I truly do, but your recent behavior has made me question my personal respect for you.

[Darrington]

Lets look at this situation as just that - A situation.

Now, without knowing either sides of the story, between Eindeg-Dein claiming one thing, Juliette claiming another, and thusly one of them lying, who would one be more likely to believe?

Eindeg-Dein - the one who, time and time again, it seems that he gets mushed up in the middle of all sortsa bologna drama, making hundreds of false accusations, and all sortsa other bullshit.

Or Julia - the one who, time and time again, it seems that she is only doing what is best for the TAO community when it comes to anything in this aspect. Sure, this means making some difficult decisions in things such as tournaments, and it means getting bullshit from one place or another, but in general is doing her best.

And all of this coming from the one clan who also, as it so happens, seems to be in the middle of too much drama and all sortsa other shit.

I dont know. Sure, both sides of the argument have points, but Im much more inclined to believe Julia here, and think that Eindeg just enjoys drama a little too much.

Oh, and of course, no actual offense is meant to anyone here, and I would apologize for not sharing the same opinion with certain others, but am I really sorry?

[search66]

/me clears throat

Duck:
This is a major blow to the crew. But what doesn't kill us, makes us grow stronger. You were one of the best greys I've ever faced, and eventually one of the greatest golds to play this game. You've been a great friend, and look forward to seeing your face on the cover of Forbes (don't forget about 66!).

DR:
I've made my peace with you, and regret any animosity that the clan has caused you.

Burn:
I've also made my peace with you, and hope that what I say is bond.

xyx:
You've got mad crazy skills... But, it's unfortunate that you don't feel the same way we do about NJ. Ever wonder why netjak is so succesful on the servers? It's not just about having the best members; but most of us are "veteran gamers" and real people. The site I created goes beyond anything TAO has to offer.

All:
It's all about integrity. If I've sounded defensive in the past, it's because attacking one member of the clan is like smacking my sister in the face (well.. brother.. you get the point). Be cool like Mr. T.


-66

[T3km4n]

Just to defend xyx, he said that you were right and he would stop posting...

[Eagle]

xyx is a big boy and capable of debate t3k, i've seen it. He needs defense no more than the rest of us.

Originally posted by Darrington
Eindeg-Dein - the one who, time and time again, it seems that he gets mushed up in the middle of all sortsa bologna drama, making hundreds of false accusations, and all sortsa other bullshit.

Or Julia - the one who, time and time again, it seems that she is only doing what is best for the TAO community when it comes to anything in this aspect. Sure, this means making some difficult decisions in things such as tournaments, and it means getting bullshit from one place or another, but in general is doing her best.

I've been here awhile and have seen neither of those instances. Can ya post some quotes up?

There is a third and more popular possiblity you didn't mention. And that's both of the are lying. I find ducks a little too innocent than what may of happend, and Julias claim hardly a defense. From what i've seen it looks Julia is showing a side she only intended a small audiance to see and now is out of luck. She may have been cought on a bad day but you stand in the spot light, you pay the price.

And dedication to this game is not a defense in the slightest whomever said that.

[Bottle]

I sense a lot of anger in this one.

Ok, and now the serious part. I see fault everywhere here. Firstly, I know Julia very well now, I believe. She does not seem to be the type of person to say things like this. Still, pressure can get to you, and it CANNOT BE DENIED that she does a hell of a lot for this game. Perhaps she got a bit ratty and snapped out. The first thing that she said is that she had a tournament match, for a place in the final. She was bound to be wound up for that, concentrating on that, and not thinking of herself as an ambassador for the game. No one is perfect, you can't do a job perfectly all the time, and maybe this time she got a bit too aggressive.

When ducki said that *she made a blunder because she was inexperienced*, that probably cut her quite deep. I have watched Julia working on this game, trying to make it better and more interesting for its members, with no recognition at all from anyone but her friends who know what she's put in. Now ducki didn't realise this, having not done the job, so I'd forgive him his ignorance. And when he says that he did not curse in any way, he was certainly very condescending and rude. How would you like to be talked to like that? Just because you don't swear, that doesn't mean you're not being rude.

Moving on to DR. I think he overreacted. It's important to understand that he's not just looking for someone with a pretty face to hold the responsible position of moderator. He's looking for someone he can trust, more than anything. Julia is his friend. If someone attacks your friend, you move to protect them. This is not always the best idea, especially if you're running a company. But again, there's a lot of pressure on him. Yes, he's being dictatorial. But that's because it's his game. Yes, we're customers paying for a service. But we also have rules to obey, which we agreed to when we paid for it. Often, we do not obey those rules. DR punishes ONLY those who break the rules, and often lets us get away with things the according to the ToS we shouldn't. So let's have a little more respect for him, please. I'm not sure, but I think it says in the ToS that we need to show respect to him and his moderators. However provoked he was, ducki did not do that, and DR had every right to say what he said.

Next comes the rest of netjak.com. They've jumped to the defense of one of their clan members, which is admirable. It shows the true spirit that a clan should have. However, there is the inevitable problem of bias in there. With the exception of 12, OMK and hugh (who have not just outright attacked Julia), they automatically decided that ducki was right and that Julia was wrong. This is why, despite MY natural wish to protect my fellow clan member and friend, I'm trying to be fair here.

I'm sorry, but I have to pick out FryLock in this. I respect him a lot. He tells us he's under a lot of pressure from law school. Surely he can understand, then, that Julia is under similar pressure? Why does he have to be so aggressive?

Well, there's my piece. My apologies for the length of it. But I think these things get blown out of proportion far too easily. Remeber, all that started this was Julia assuming that ducki was deliberately being annoying, getting annoyed, and ducki responding to Julia's anger, when it could all have been calmed down by one small, simple word.

Sorry.

Edit: Thois post was written without influence from ANY of the affected parties in this little charade.

[old_man_killer]

Dang Bottle, nice post.

[Hatchet Warrior]

bottle that is a nice post. You must have really paid attention to the entire thing.

[nomar]

All i hear is blah blah blah.

burning is talking out of her ass. She has no prof of what happened. I know ducki doesn't have prof either....but he's told his side, and all burning has done is, well nothing to clear her name.

As for netjakkers being disgusting??? Yes we are a tight nit group. As most of would say....a family. I say this, b/c when i had personal problems, many of the members consoled me and picked me up when i was down. If that disgust's you???

Blah blah blah....i don't feel like typing anymore. Ducki, miss ya homie, but i'll see ya around via emails and other games homie!

[Supermang]

frylock, you are showing up as one incredibly transparent, pretentious, pathetic, fop. check yourself clownshoes.

and can netjack hold off on the bro-down long enough to take out its own trash??? we all know idig-dicks was scum ... ie if you stand behind him you sink with the ship.

:eek: <what i said

[Bottle]

I was just trying to look at it objectively. Julia has told me since I posted that I was wrong, that that was not how it happened. Whatever. With the evidence presented to me (Julia, quite wisely in my view, has refrained from giving her side of the story), this is my conclusion.

I probably won't be posting here again. It's just a stupid thing to have happened.

[Supermang]

Edit

[Hatchet Warrior]

Supermang, go post on another thread. You just don't come in a thread thinking your going to get away about talking bad about people.

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by Lord Achilles
The staff here runs on the presis of [B]I'm God, you do what I say, when I say, or I ban you."
With all do respect Lord Achilles, you do the exact same thing on your clan forums (http://s4.invisionfree.com/bushido_gaiden). Hell, even on AIM if someone proves a mistake you've made you start pretending you're on a spaceship or a watermelon and completely avoid the subject. You also go around stating you're the God of the Great Lakes server, that you have power over all, and lead the best clan on the server.
I've played many other online games, and been part of many other communities, and I've yet to see one like this.
Funny thing, I remember mentioning a 'proxy' and, after explaing what one is to you, you asking where to get one so you could get back at some old community forums that banned you for being an immature ass.
First off, you've got a mod who had no qualifications to become a mod, was here about a month before she became a mod, and was only made a mod because someone was hoping to get some. Very sad.
A moderator who has no qualifications, but still manages to spend more time on these forums than the other moderators, not to mention hosts numerous tournaments with rewards to make the game more interesting for our members? It's very doubtful that someone was trying to get some pootang from another person by merely making them a moderator, not to mention both persons live more than 2000 miles away from one another.
Then you've got two people who makes a buisness, builds it up to greatness, then abandon it completely, don't tell you where they're going, why they're leaving, and when they'll be back. They told us nothing, and just left us with DR.
You mean similar to the first set of moderators that ran the boards along side of DivineRight? I don't recall you crying when they left, and you've told me yourself you hate both Snarr and Xerent. If you miss them that much Achilles, they both have AIM you can get to keep in touch with them.
This is the most irresponsible staff I have ever encountered for an online gaming community. This is their domain. Nothing applies to them, just like the respect of they paying customers.
Correction. The whole staff in general is not 'irresponsible'. DivineRight is. That I will agree with you on, my small brained friend. DivineRight has showed numerous examples both on the game, the forums, and in emails held with other members, that he has no respect at all for TAO's members. Many of us have read the emails that took place between BlazedAces and DivineRight, and absolutely none of us were at shock from the words thrown at BlazedAces from DivineRight. The fact is DivineRight is obviously overprotective of his moderators, which is one of the major causes of bannings of members on these servers. For some odd and unapparent reason he feels he must stick up for his fellow moderators, and that they don't have a brain big enough to defend themselves. If an arguement is brought fourth to DivineRight, he merely ends it by banning the oposing member. You are an idiot for trying to pin these things on theburning, as she has yet to do anything wrong as a moderator. Do you think she personally asks DivineRight to ban that person for talking to her? No. DivineRight chooses his moderators based on friendships, as Xerent pointed out to me clearly in an AIM conversation. However, he has done a fine job using this manner of choosing his staff. Julia is a great moderator, Snarr and Xerent were both excellent moderators as well. Two of them have moved on, and the one that has stood strong you try and to insult?
I want you to think about somthing. If you were ugly. Or a boy. Would you be a moderator? Most of the people who play this game talk about how you only got that job because DR has a sick mind, and wanted you bad.
Achilles, you're a sad little boy. You stay trapped in your abnormally large ego, talking constantly about how you hate the moderators and DivineRight, and you do nothing. You take absolutely no action, until you see that someone else has spoke up against the system, so you decide to jump on the wagon, and making idiotic posts, in which everything you state, you also do yourself.
Achilles, can you tell me you would do a better job moderating these forums than theburning? Of course not. Look at your own clan forums, you can't even resist changing someone's forum title to 'Achilles Bitch'. Could you do a better job running this game than DivineRight? Hell no! Your lack of maturity would merely cause you to ban any of the players that defeated you. Achilles, if you're going to try and pin something on someone else, next time make sure you don't also make the same mistakes. Idiot.

[old_man_killer]

Supermange, know this and know this well. You will never have the skills of Ducki and you will never be worthy enough to even scrape the lint from between his toes. So get lost.

[search66]

Originally posted by Supermang
f*ck it, with mongloids like nomar as the status quo, netjack can f*ck right off ... go have another cold one and date rape some highschoolers you piece of shit fratboy f*ckers, its in your blood. you make me f*cking sick.

And who are you, again? I love when people "like you" have to resort to crudeness.... Honestly, it just puts the cherry on your retard sundae.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Doctor Love, thank you for trying to make a point, but you should stay out of this one.

[T3km4n]

Nomar, how childish can you be?

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by Hatchet Warrior
Doctor Love, thank you for trying to make a point, but you should stay out of this one.
Amazing. Listen to netjak.com. Lord Achilles would do anything to have your clan eliminated off the mirror-servers, forever. But, right when he notices someone has the courage to stand up against the system, he just has to jump the on the wagon. You should be standing up for the staff here as well, your clan's site gets more than half of it's traffic from the Tactics Arena Online members. I for one, had never even heard of netjak.com until I came here, and I know for a fact the same goes with more than ninety percent of the rest of the members. Netjak members, you're the ones who should either stay out of this, or think more about whether you're willing to lose more than half of netjak.com's source of viewers.

[T3km4n]

I agree with Doctor Love, how come anyone outside of netjak cannot have views or opinions?

[FryLock]

Originally posted by Supermang
frylock, you are showing up as one incredibly transparent, pretentious, pathetic, fop. check yourself clownshoes.


Wowzers! I may have been angry in my previous posts, but how am I any of the other things...? Transparent - I rushed to the defense of my clanmate and friend. That seems pretty cut and dry to me. Pretentious? Sorry, supermang, I'll try to use shorter words so you can understand me. Etc...

As to the rest - Bottle, your post showed true intelligence, and my respect for you continues to grow. I admitted earlier that perhaps I reacted too much in anger. I could go on about outside circumstances and all that, but what's the point. I did over react. That much is true. I was also put off by that reported quote. I don't much care for hypocrisy.

In any case, people like superman are turning this part of the forum into an arena for insults, and unfortunately, I'm not helping. I've said my piece, so now I'll try to make my peace:

I apologize to those I have offended. Reacting in anger rarely solves anything. I do not apologize for coming to the support of my clanmate. I did what I had to, and I understand where DR and those on the other side are coming from. I bear them no ill will whatsoever. We all do what we think is right. I simply have no patience for idiots who come in here, swear up a storm, call people odd insults ("fop"?! who calls someone a fop?!) and generally don't add anything.

I've calmed down now, and if I can recognize that I've made a few mistakes and been too hasty, perhaps others who are guilty of the same offense can also do so.

[nomar]

Originally posted by T3km4n
Nomar, how childish can you be?

In what way was i being childish??? And when did we say you can't have an opinion?

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by T3km4n
I agree with Doctor Love, how come anyone outside of netjak cannot have views or opinions?
Because, you're either on netjak's side in this arguement, or you can't post. They seem to think they're superior to the rest of Tactics Arena Online, because they've got a few good players on the servers. If you haven't noticed, netjak.com was nothing until the major clans like _Outkast_ and Phoenix Reborne died down, both due to leaders disappearing. Again, Netjak, you need to watch what you say, this is probably your biggest source of advertisement for your website.

[search66]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
You should be standing up for the staff here as well, your clan's site gets more than half of it's traffic from the Tactics Arena Online members. I for one, had never even heard of netjak.com until I came here, and I know for a fact the same goes with more than ninety percent of the rest of the members.

The site gets half of its hits from TAO? Wow. That's news to me... Especially since we get over 150k unique visitors a month... So that means... 75k TAO members frequent the site. W00t!

And not to rub salt in your wound... My site has sent thousands of people here. Not only have we benefited the TAO community with a great challenge; but also monitarily.

[old_man_killer]

Originally posted by T3km4n
I agree with Doctor Love, how come anyone outside of netjak cannot have views or opinions?

Because why should we listen to someone who has just created that account? Yet has vast knowlege of many things but is hiding behind a new facade. You know what a facade is right?

Come on Dr Love, who are you really?

[search66]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
They seem to think they're superior to the rest of Tactics Arena Online, because they've got a few good players on the servers. If you haven't noticed, netjak.com was nothing until the major clans like _Outkast_ and Phoenix Reborne died down, both due to leaders disappearing. Again, Netjak, you need to watch what you say, this is probably your biggest source of advertisement for your website.

A "few good players" on the servers? Bud... When is the last time you've looked at the ratings on *any* server? And we aren't some n00b clan, bro... we've been around since December.

[Doctor Love]

Excuse me Search66, I was referring to your members that might actually care if netjak's site 'vanished'. You've sent that many players to the Tactics Arena Online community, very doubtful. Seeing as the fiew members who actually care about your site, and gettig to know other members (385?), I know for a fact aren't all members of the Tactics Arena Online community. Even if so, how many of them are actually good and contribute to this game and community? 150,000 members for such a small site, that is very doubtful, unless you're adding up the all the hits your site has ever recieve.
old man killer, I didn't have a choice to create this account, my other account, Sir Vival, was banned.

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by search66
A "few good players" on the servers? Bud... When is the last time you've looked at the ratings on *any* server? And we aren't some n00b clan, bro... we've been around since December.
You may have been around since December, but you have yet to become anybody until Snarr left _Outkast_ and Xaos left Phoenix Reborne. Before that, I recall seeing very few members of netjak.com on the rankings. Time does not determine if one is a n00b or not, that my friend would be a newb.

[T3km4n]

Originally posted by nomar
All i hear is blah blah blah.
homie!

Originally posted by nomar
In what way was i being childish???

[search66]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
Excuse me Search66, I was referring to your members that might actually care if netjak's site 'vanished'. You've sent that many players to the Tactics Arena Online community, very doubtful. Seeing as the fiew members who actually care about your site, and gettig to know other members (385?), I know for a fact aren't all members of the Tactics Arena Online community. Even if so, how many of them are actually good and contribute to this game and community? 150,000 members for such a small site, that is very doubtful, unless you're adding up the all the hits your site has ever recieve.
old man killer, I didn't have a choice to create this account, my other account, Sir Vival, was banned.

First of all Vival... We *have* sent that many people to TAO. We've sent thousands of visitors to TAO from our review (done by 12). That's a fact.

150,000 members? I said visitors. My site has been around for over three years, d00d. Check Alexa if you don't believe me... Alexa is quite inaccurate, but it automatically falsifies your claims.

[search66]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
You may have been around since December, but you have yet to become anybody until Snarr left _Outkast_ and Xaos left Phoenix Reborne. Before that, I recall seeing very few members of netjak.com on the rankings. Time does not determine if one is a n00b or not, that my friend would be a newb.

Again... You are burying yourself with each post. Netjak started in Banff... We didn't even hit Army until two months ago. Cripes.

And OUTKAST *is* one of the premier clans, and if I wasn't in netjak... that's where I would want to be.

[Eagle]

Netjak is too far off of the point...The claim that Julia bad mouthed the clan made this into a netjak v. Julia and friends.
This thread is Julia v. duck.

[nomar]

Originally posted by T3km4n



That's not childish. THat's called....getting annoyed by all the hoopla that people are spitting and netjak(the clan).

[Supermang]

Originally posted by search66
And who are you, again? I love when people "like you" have to resort to crudeness.... Honestly, it just puts the cherry on your retard sundae.

classic ... playing both sides of the field. how can you excuse your ignorant, sexist, hate-driven brodown squad with a quip like that. f*cking hilarious.

[nomar]

Originally posted by Eagle
Netjak is too far off of the point...The claim that Julia bad mouthed the clan made this into a netjak v. Julia and friends.
This thread is Julia v. duck.

It's not a vs thread. Ducki (and everyone else) just wants to hear what Julia has to say.

[Doctor Love]

Of course, netjak started in Banff, and after conquering Banff, you consider yourself a good clan? How about you get some more members in the top five, or even top ten, other than Frylock?

[Eagle]

Originally posted by nomar
It's not a vs thread. Ducki (and everyone else) just wants to hear what Julia has to say.

i meant its Julias word against Ducks, i'd say they are v.

and yes i too am waiting to see if Julia herself will defend her, or at the very least get the reason she is not.

[FryLock]

Originally posted by Eagle

This thread is Julia v. duck.

Eagle makes a solid point. As one of the first posters, I must take some of the responsibility for this. I rode in to the resuce, heedless of some of my actions. I posted in anger (justified or not, it doesn't matter) and it kind of snowballed. It's late for this, but again, I apologize for certain actions.

Although, to be fair, both parties, the Julia / DR side and the netjak side made generalizations encompassing far more people than just these 2 comabatants. And now we have supermang spouting off racial slurs and oddball insults, and Vival arguing about web traffic. Hmmm. This might be a good time for us all to bring this to a screeching halt. I, for one, am willing to let this die out.

[Doctor Love]

The major problem here seems to be that netjak.com is more than agrivated over the fact that they couldn't even make it past round two in the tournament. Simple as that.

[nomar]

Originally posted by Eagle
i meant its Julias word against Ducks, i'd say they are v.

Gottcha, no worries man. All i'm asking is for burning to step up to the plate. DUcki stated his case, lets hear hers.

[search66]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
Of course, netjak started in Banff, and after conquering Banff, you consider yourself a good clan? How about you get some more members in the top five, or even top ten, other than Frylock?

Yer funny.

Name one other clan who has more people in the top 10 (on all servers).

[Office_Shredder]

I would like to put my two cents into this argument:
1. You guys have been arguing for three pages without any new information from anyone involved in the situation now... there's NOTHING LEFT TO ARGUE OVER!
2. No one is going to change sides by the end of the fourth page
3. This is not an x vs y thread. It's a frickin free for all. I think everyone who has posted has flamed and been flamed by at least three people (except for one or two cool heads)
4. I would keep listing stuff, but this crap isn't worth the second cent.


It was nice knowing you ducki, I'll miss you.

[Bottle]

Ok, I can't take any more. I didn't want to have to post here again.

Supermang, you are not helping Julia at all here. You may be trying to, but by having someone on her side who is constantly badmouthing, you're just making her look worse. Think about it.

Here's an idea to stop this whole sorry mess. I want EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, who has posted something on this thread which is aggressive towards another person, to say sorry to them. How hard can it be? And if it doesn't stop soon, we're going to spoil the game.

So, let's see. The people yet to apologise are: ducki, theburning, nomar, supermang and Lord Achilles. FryLock already has. The rest have not been too aggressive.

So there's your choice. Either apologise, stop posting here altogether and forget it ever happened, or continue your petty arguing for the next few days, no doubt culminating in more accounts being deleted because DR is simply fed up with all this animosity towards him and his moderators.

[Megabyte]

by posting this in the public area of the forums and by stinuating a lot in the post, the argument is now ALL of the TAO community involved and affected.

So it doesn't matter who it started with, since the thread hasn't been deleted, its now public knowledge. Going along with that, public forums = public opinion. Don't get down on ppl who give their two cents in this.

On that note...
I'm not involved :) I don't like the situation though. But I refuse to take a direction in this, since I'm biassed.

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by search66
Yer funny.

Name one other clan who has more people in the top 10 (on all servers).
If I recall, a certain clan that was lead by yours truly, I believe called Yada Yada Inc.? Held the top five rankings on Armageddon for a period of two days, unfortunately, the majority of our members cancelled and left TAO, and I was shortly after banned. That my friend, was the collaspe of the only clan to EVER hold the top five rankings on all servers.

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Megabyte
But I refuse to take a direction in this, since I'm biassed.

I'm biased, and I made a post which was appreciated by both sides. Just try not to be biased, and things become a lot easier. If people had done this earlier, maybe this mess would be sorted by now.

[search66]

I think I'm done arguing.

For Bottle:

I'm sorry if I offended anyone for stating the truth.

[thrdflrmshr]

Goodbye.

[Doctor Love]

Stating the truth? You just said netjak.com was a good clan!
The major problem here seems to be that netjak.com is more than agrivated over the fact that they couldn't even make it past round two in the tournament. Simple as that.

[nomar]

Originally posted by Bottle
Ok, I can't take any more. I didn't want to have to post here again.

Supermang, you are not helping Julia at all here. You may be trying to, but by having someone on her side who is constantly badmouthing, you're just making her look worse. Think about it.

Here's an idea to stop this whole sorry mess. I want EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, who has posted something on this thread which is aggressive towards another person, to say sorry to them. How hard can it be? And if it doesn't stop soon, we're going to spoil the game.

So, let's see. The people yet to apologise are: ducki, theburning, nomar, supermang and Lord Achilles. FryLock already has. The rest have not been too aggressive.

So there's your choice. Either apologise, stop posting here altogether and forget it ever happened, or continue your petty arguing for the next few days, no doubt culminating in more accounts being deleted because DR is simply fed up with all this animosity towards him and his moderators.

I do apologize for saying "burning is talking out of her ass", but that's it.

All i've done in this thread is try to get burning to tell her side, and to defend myself and my fellow netjakkers from people trying to tarnish the name.

[roody poo]

Originally posted by Eagle
Netjak is too far off of the point...The claim that Julia bad mouthed the clan made this into a netjak v. Julia and friends.
This thread is Julia v. duck.

Acutally it was Julia and DR versus Ducki long before any of netjak.com came into the picture. Thanks for playing though.

By dogging the entire clan to Ducki and others she brought the rest of us back in it. I thought it was done. My team had let everything go why couldn't the rest of TAO....or maybe just a certain few. Guess not, when you are getting inside info and can't keep quiet on it fireworks are bound to go off again.

Supermang, I don't really know why you are in on this...oh yeah, that's because you are julia's roommate, sorry I forgot in all the bashing that we've involved you in before this...no wait...um, nevermind.

The statement has been made that netjaks don't think anyone else can voice their opinion about this? Well go ahead and reread bottle's post then reread where more than one member gave him props. Go ahead, reread it, I can wait.....

Ok done?

It's not like this place is a democracy of sorts, so why in the hell are we all debating as if it is? We've all learned that it is one law one expectation: "Respect the mods, fuck the rest of ya." Deal with it, move on, whatever. Many people on this thread have no business here, and many that do have business here should have kept it to themselves. But I would like to think the whole collective group of us are just tired of hearing this.

respek.

[nomar]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
Stating the truth? You just said netjak.com was a good clan!

Man...you should really seek help. All you do is spit venom. Everyone is trying to squash the beef, but you keep spilling fuel on the fire! What's up with that?

[nomar]

respek

Gotta love Ali G

oh and sorry for the double post

[roody poo]

Originally posted by nomar
Gotta love Ali G

safe.

[Doctor Love]

Again.
The major problem here seems to be that netjak.com is more than agrivated over the fact that they couldn't even make it past round two in the tournament. Simple as that.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by roody poo
Acutally it was Julia and DR versus Ducki long before any of netjak.com came into the picture. Thanks for playing though.

Yes Duck did call out DR too, but aside from that we are saying the same thing...

[theburning]

I'm not stating my 'side' of the story due to the fact that I know that it will not be taken into consideration.

The simply fact is - most people made up their mind on this whole topic before even knowing all the details. Therefore, nothing I can say would change that.

I recognize that anyone who is going to listen to and believe my side of the story already does.

Having said that, shall we end it?

I'm sorry that this has escalated into such a ferocious argument. At no point did I intend to insult ducki or netjak.com, and I'm sorry if he took my words as rude. I didn't intend them to be.

[Bottle]

I think that should just about wrap it up. Everyone important has apologised. Can a netjakker get ducki to read the thread again, please?

Now, can we all move on and be friends again? Who wants a game? :)

[nomar]

Originally posted by Bottle
I think that should just about wrap it up. Everyone important has apologised. Can a netjakker get ducki to read the thread again, please?

Now, can we all move on and be friends again? Who wants a game? :)

I would have played ya, but you didn't answer me in the lobby :(

[Bottle]

I was trying to calm Julia down. You don't know how upset all this has made her. She's been threatening to leave TAO. Do you really want no more tournaments? Seems to me like she's been the only one organising them lately. I hope you're all satisfied.

This thread has ruined my night. Thanks, guys.

[Eagle]

easy bottle no blaming, just breeds anger...

Well i've got my statements in this thread from both sides so i can make of them what i will. I'm getting off this thread...

Didnt know netjak was a website lol

[Doctor Love]

Most of us didn't even know they existed until they came here.

[falco88887]

I really dont know who's right, but i assume both sides are at fault. I think we should stop dwelling on what occurred and face the problems that need fixing. im guessing the problems that need addressing are:
1. mod's abuse of power and choosing sides before fully looking over the situation.
2. spying on private forums.
any others or comments to these?

[nomar]

Originally posted by Bottle
I was trying to calm Julia down. You don't know how upset all this has made her. She's been threatening to leave TAO. Do you really want no more tournaments? Seems to me like she's been the only one organising them lately. I hope you're all satisfied.

This thread has ruined my night. Thanks, guys.

uh...you went from being in a good mood, to turning around and spouting this out???

[Bottle]

I'm tired. I came on hoping for a chat with my friends and a few fun games. Instead I've spent my night trying to stop this ridiculous argument. So sorry, I'm now getting a bit fed up. Please excuse me.

This is NOT an excuse to start arguing again.

Doctor Love, leave off netjak RIGHT NOW. It's not funny. Your putting fuel on a fire that might burn someone's house down.

[roody poo]

Originally posted by Bottle
I was trying to calm Julia down. You don't know how upset all this has made her. She's been threatening to leave TAO. Do you really want no more tournaments? Seems to me like she's been the only one organising them lately. I hope you're all satisfied.

This thread has ruined my night. Thanks, guys.

Oh ok, lets all feel sorry for julia now b/c DR jumped on her without even finding out the entire story right? No wait, that's the other way around.

Sorry to have ruined your night. Again, too many people are worrying about this that shouldn't be and those that have a right to be worrying about this shouldn't be b/c it is friggin over.

I forgot that I have so much fun these days b/c I am constantly hit with threads like this and douche bags like VIVAL running his mouth in the lobby.

Thanks guys.

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by roody poo
Oh ok, lets all feel sorry for julia now b/c DR jumped on her without even finding out the entire story right? No wait, that's the other way around.

Sorry to have ruined your night. Again, too many people are worrying about this that shouldn't be and those that have a right to be worrying about this shouldn't be b/c it is friggin over.

I forgot that I have so much fun these days b/c I am constantly hit with threads like this and douche bags like VIVAL running his mouth in the lobby.

Thanks guys.
You're the one who didn't want to battle.

[roody poo]

Thats funny. You've NEVER accepted in the past. Guess I took for granted that you all of a sudden grew some balls and wanted to play. Maybe I should have stayed. I tell you what next time I catch you in there you can prove to me that you wanted to play. I mean after calling me out on the forum like you just did I suppose you wouldn't go back to your old ways of turning down my challenge. Right?

[Doctor Love]

My old ways? I don't recall turning down many challenges before, in fact I don't recall you ever offering to play me.

[The Prophet]

I have been playing this game since December '03. I have never heard of Doctor love or YadaYada. So who are you to come in here and post anything. I see why you were banned.

[cs_zero]

there never was a doctor love, didnt u read, he was vival.

on a different note, y is this in the recrutement postings??

[The Prophet]

Originally posted by cs_zero
there never was a doctor love, didnt u read, he was vival.

Nope missed that one. That explains it then. It being his moronic post.

[roody poo]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
My old ways? I don't recall turning down many challenges before, in fact I don't recall you ever offering to play me.

Hmmm, when you were running your mouth under the name "held at gun point". Unless of course you are going to give the reply that it wasn't you.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Ok, this has gotten a little big. For the people that do not really have anything to do with this stay out of it.

[old_man_killer]

Time to let this one die people. I'm done with it, and I suggest anyone with an intellegence level higher than a wet dish rag do the same. Go home, good night.

*Hangs up the CLOSED sign*

[max2k106]

. . . to believe i just wasted just about a half an hour of my time reading this whole thread and trying to understand it :rolleyes:

[Medemia]

I knew there was something I didn't like about Doctor Love... Sir Vival was an idiot who just didn't know when to shut up.

Enough about that moron. The situation.

I believe I have always been civil to DR and Julia, in fact I believe I have been overly respectful and friendly to them both. I've never had a problem with either one of them. But occasionally, reading through the forums, I do sense some disrespect for members of the community coming from the top. At first, it was the grey community. It was to be expected, since they play for free and contribute only competition to the paying members. Unfortunately, more and more, I have begun to sense a growing disrespect to the gold members even. Almost a "I don't need your money, I have others" attitude. I'm sorry DR, but I have to be honest. I respect everything you've done for the game, but are you sure the pressure of it all has not changed you to someone you didn't want to be?

Julia, it seems as of late you have become jaded by the constant attention. We used to have some good conversations. Now I don't know if you are too wrapped up in clan chat or just ignoring the world so you can survive. Either way, it's ok. I just miss the girl I used to talk to.

Ducki, you and I have known each other since December or January. I know you to be a hot head. That's who you are and I'm ok with that. I'm sure your story is correct from your eyes, as it is incorrect from Julia's. All a matter of perception. I'm sorry this had to go this far though. I will miss you greatly here on TAO. Good thing we still have GH.

Saying that, how come I didn't see the last page of this thread before I started writing? Bottle, you are a wise man.

Med

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
With all do respect Lord Achilles, you do the exact same thing on your clan forums (http://s4.invisionfree.com/bushido_gaiden). Hell, even on AIM if someone proves a mistake you've made you start pretending you're on a spaceship or a watermelon and completely avoid the subject. You also go around stating you're the God of the Great Lakes server, that you have power over all, and lead the best clan on the server.

Yes, I do, SIR VIVAL.

But I do it with my friends, we've established a relationship, they know what I do is a joke, and nothing beyond that. DR actually thinks he is god, and controls us. It would be different if we were friends with him.

[Hatchet Warrior]

ach, I agree with you on that one.

[plusminus]

Originally posted by Lord Achilles
Yes, I do, SIR VIVAL.

But I do it with my friends, we've established a relationship, they know what I do is a joke, and nothing beyond that. DR actually thinks he is god, and controls us. It would be different if we were friends with him.

Also we don't pay you to be in your clan. Slight difference between leading a video game clan and running a business..

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by Lord Achilles
Yes, I do, SIR VIVAL.
But I do it with my friends, we've established a relationship, they know what I do is a joke, and nothing beyond that. DR actually thinks he is god, and controls us. It would be different if we were friends with him.
Achilles, just because someone is a member of your clan, does not mean they are your friend. I despise you and I've joined your clan several times, but you still joked with me? DivineRight has
fulfilled all of the terms and agreements of your subscription with his company, and owes you nothing. It is his website, he has the choice to act the way he wishes. If you have that much of a problem with it, I would suggest leaving.

[Lord Achilles]

I'll treat you how I want since you're the definition of prick :)

[Doctor Love]

Yes, and you are arrogant and ignorant, but that in no way means I control you. It merely points out the lack of maturity and intelligents you have. You do realize how much of an idiot you made yourself look like, right?

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
It merely points out the lack of maturity and intelligents you have.

I might lack intelligents, but thankgod I have intelligence.

You might not want to accuse me of not having intelligence if you yourself cannot spell it, you stupid, stupid person.

[Doctor Love]

Ouch, god forbid I spelt a word wrong. Though, if you're going to measure someone's intelligence or their grammar, you truly are a moron.

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
Though, is you're going to measure someone's intelligence on their grammar, you truly are a moron.

He strikes again!

Not abreviated that says "Though is you are going to measure..."

Sorry your mother dropped you so many times when you were a baby.

[Doctor Love]

Forgive me Achilles, I'm very tired. Though, I'm very impressed you're taking the time to check my posts for spelling mistakes, maybe I should do the same of yours and check for any signs of maturity?

[A.F.I.]

stop the spam guys, grrr, vival, shut up you moron

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
Forgive me Achilles, I'm very tired. Though, I'm very impressed you're taking the time to check my posts for spelling mistakes, maybe I should do the same of yours and check for any signs of maturity?

Sure, but I doubt my posts have pubes. But good luck anyways.

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by Lord Achilles
Sure, but I doubt my posts have pubes. But good luck anyways.
Maybe in a few years you can shed some. First you have to worry about getting them.

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
Maybe in a few years you can shed some. First you have to worry about getting them.

Funny, in a childish type way.

Originally posted by Doctor Love
maybe I should do the same of yours and check for any signs of maturity?

Hmm...

I smell conspiracy....

[Doctor Love]

Originally posted by Lord Achilles
Funny, in a childish type way.
I figured it would amuse you.

[Lord Achilles]

Oh it did.

And I'm done with you. I respect Ducki and I don't want to spam up his thread.

[Doctor Love]

This whole thread is garbage, what's the difference?

[Medemia]

Are you two still going at it? Hang on, I'll make you a thread to kill each other in...

[DKR]

YOU

ALL

SUCK

There... now you are all on the same level of crappiness now go to your corners :)

Hate helps no one and out of every single one of you only Bottle, Twelve and Medemia have shown ANY sign of actually thought in their posts.

You guys need to calm down, really... leave post whoring to bottle and thrd.

Medemia, PM me when you can, want to talk with you :)

[DivineRight]

Achilles, you are the most spineless, annoying and brainless person I have yet to come across here. Your jealousy of never being moderator material is disgusting, it doesn't take anything away from Julia as a moderator, it just simply shows everyone how stupid you really are. Julia is the only female out of the 5 moderators ever chosen, so yes, if she was ugly or if she were a guy I would of still made her a moderator. The last time I checked, Azn_guy, Aro, Xerent or Snarr were not beautiful girls. The only thing sad here is you Achilles.

You speak about bills and Seed like you know them and that I joined TAO yesterday, I've been here from Day 1 and everything that has happened both good and bad have included me. You cry about no new development, yet you praise Seed on the other hand.

You say that I think that I am God, yet you are the one who feels that you are able to say whatever you want, insult whomever you want and make an ass out of yourself like my forums are your own private soap box. Take a good look at yourself before you start pointing fingers there. It makes me wonder how someone like Vival who fell so much further than you can redeem himself yet you still are too arrogant to see that you are out of line. Why should I treat you with anymore respect? Have you ever shown the moderators or me any of it?

Medemia, you are someone I have a lot of respect for. Tonight I went and tried to clear things up with Ducki. It went as expected, he is still going to leave TAO but on his own free will. I treated him with as much respect and dignity that I felt he deserved, Frylock, Doce and The Prophet were there as well. I think that both Julia and I have made our peace with your clan.

It isn't that I don't need these people as customers, it is simply this: I am the Gold Accounts Manager and Administrator for the forums and servers but I am not anyone's servant. Its like telling a police officer how to do his job because you are a tax-paying citizen. These people throw their gold account subscriptions in my face like I am supposed to bow down and kiss their feet, thats not how it works. If I sound ungreatful, I appologize because that is not my intent. When they don't need my help they disregard me, when I make an executive decision that doesn't favor them they bad-mouth me and if there are any other problems (regardless if they are out of my hands) they blame me.

If I were ungreatful and abusive of my position, I would simply do what I want with no explaination to anyone. Rather than keeping things private, I would just bring it to the public forums. I would be banning and deleting accounts with impunity. I don't do that and I try to make time to sort things out as best that I can.

If I have been too over-protective of my moderators then I at least have accomplished that I do care about something.

[Medemia]

I'll concede that. Your job is not something I would want, way too stressful. I am glad that you were man enough to try to straighten it out with ducki. If I said anything that you were offended by, let me be the first to apologize. You do a good job keeping the site up, making sure accounts are updated and cancelled while still being able to get on and be a face. And I even respect your loyalty to your moderators. Every good boss should back up their employees, even if they are volunteers.

I shall speak on this no more. Thanks for responding to me though DR.

Med

[DKR]

Hey Doctor; that avatar is from GunGrave isn't it?

Grave himself.

I bought that game today for some reason

[DivineRight]

Medemia, please realize that yes you are a customer but you are also someone that I consider a friend here. You have earned that much. If people want my attention perhaps they should follow your lead. I don't listen to you because I have to, I listen to you because I want to. You have nothing to appologize for.

[Doctor Love]

Actually, I thought it was from Hellsing, a Japanese anime.
*Shrugs* Who knows?

[DKR]

You could be right.

It just looks REALLY familiar to GunGrave.

The coat, the weapon, the hat, the shading :S

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by DivineRight
Achilles, you are the most spineless, annoying and brainless person I have yet to come across here. Your jealousy of never being moderator material is disgusting, it doesn't take anything away from Julia as a moderator, it just simply shows everyone how stupid you really are. Julia is the only female out of the 5 moderators ever chosen, so yes, if she was ugly or if she were a guy I would of still made her a moderator. The last time I checked, Azn_guy, Aro, Xerent or Snarr were not beautiful girls. The only thing sad here is you Achilles.

You speak about bills and Seed like you know them and that I joined TAO yesterday, I've been here from Day 1 and everything that has happened both good and bad have included me. You cry about no new development, yet you praise Seed on the other hand.

You say that I think that I am God, yet you are the one who feels that you are able to say whatever you want, insult whomever you want and make an ass out of yourself like my forums are your own private soap box. Take a good look at yourself before you start pointing fingers there. It makes me wonder how someone like Vival who fell so much further than you can redeem himself yet you still are too arrogant to see that you are out of line. Why should I treat you with anymore respect? Have you ever shown the moderators or me any of it?


1: I never wanted to be a mod, do not currently want to be a mod, never want to be a mod.

2: I never mentioned anything about Snarr, Aro, or Xerent. Keep them out of this.

3: I've shown everyone except you and Julia on the TAO staff plenty of respect. I just don't like you. Me, Snarr, and Aro have known eachother since day one, we've been good friends since. Xerent I don't really know, but we've had some great conversations on AIM. And me and AzN_GuY used to have great times on AIM with MS Paint and a bit of creativity.

4: I'm only an ass because I like to get a rise out of you. You over react way to much, and I generally find it amusing. If you didn't flip out so much, I'd be much calmer, it just entertains me to watch you have a spaz attack.

As Twelve on that last one. He thought of me just as you did, and when we played he looked at me in a whole new light. He even sent me a PM stating he had a new respect for me.

5: The majority of the people I talk to all agree you only made burning a mod for her looks. She was here a little over a month, rarely posted, had little involvement with the community (But does now), and then she's suddenly a mod. Most of the people I knoe concluded that you saw her picture and acted on hormones.

6: I never asked you to treat me with the respect of a friend. I never want that. Ever. I asked you to treat me with the respect of a paying customer. Not an underling. The fact is that I pay for this game whether you like it or not, I deserve that much, as a customer.

[Doctor Love]

4: I'm only an ass because I like to get a rise out of you. You over react way to much, and I generally find it amusing. If you didn't flip out so much, I'd be much calmer, it just entertains me to watch you have a spaz attack.
What's your excuse for all of the other numerous community forums you've been banned from?

5: The majority of the people I talk to all agree you only made burning a mod for her looks. She was here a little over a month, rarely posted, had little involvement with the community (But does now), and then she's suddenly a mod. Most of the people I knoe concluded that you saw her picture and acted on hormones.
Whether he did or didn't, him making theburning a moderator turned out good anyways, didn't it?

6: I never asked you to treat me with the respect of a friend. I never want that. Ever. I asked you to treat me with the respect of a paying customer. Not an underling. The fact is that I pay for this game whether you like it or not, I deserve that much, as a customer.
And as the administrator of this site, is it wrong that he asks for the same out of you?

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by Doctor Love
What's your excuse for all of the other numerous community forums you've been banned from?

I have never been banned from another forum.


Whether he did or didn't, him making theburning a moderator turned out good anyways, didn't it?
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Agreed on that. But either way what he did was very unprofessional. If you were a priest, would you hire a hooker as an altar girl just because she was pretty? Sure, in the end it might have worked out, but if it hadn't then you have someone in charge of your buisness and you're not sure if he/she is qualified.


And as the administrator of this site, is it wrong that he asks for the same out of you?

He missed the boat on that one. (And you of all people should not be stating this)

[DivineRight]

Please, you've changed your title to seem like you were a moderator, you've made clans with mod names, your latest response to Hulky's post had something about you claiming to be a mod and your feable attempts at humor all seem to point that you are full of it. Everyone knows this about you so stop kidding yourself.

These people that you talk to, who are they? Julia has played this game for almost as long as you have, which is funny because she is also a lot better at it than you, and how I choose moderators has never been something that I openly disclose. You discredit all of the people who have been made moderators by saying Julia was chosen because of looks and her being female. Everyone from Azn_Guy, Xerent, Snarr and Aro should feel insulted if I placed someone in their ranks who wasn't worthy. Julia has proven herself over and over, for you to still maintain that her gender had anything to do with it makes me wonder if you are clinically dellusional. What is more, you sure place a lot on one single picture in which half her face is covered.

If anyone has a spaz attack its you. Thats what the term "spaz" means, you go off and explode for no reason. You seem to only speak up when other people initiate it. If you want to see humor why don't I post your pitiful e-mails that you've sent to me in the past.

The only reason you are still allowed on here is because you are a customer but trust me this place would be a lot better without you. You are an idiot, bills and Seed have never done a single thing for you, keep that in mind before you choose to act like an idiot again. When your payments come in, I gold them, when your account was stolen, I fixed it and whenever you had any problems with your accounts, I DEALED with them. I don't owe you a single thing, even if I were to permantely ban you from my forums I would be able to sleep soundly at night.

[max2k106]

. . . if DR chose Julia because she was female . . . why not hydrant? she was an awesome player and a good poster that contributed to the game . . . i wonde where she is now:(

[Lord Achilles]

Originally posted by DivineRight
if I were to permantely ban you from my forums I would be able to sleep soundly at night.

I'm to lazy to reply to all of that. I'm just glad you're having sleeping problems on my behalf :)

[DivineRight]

LOL, read what I wrote again. You make fun of Vival for his spelling error yet your reading comprehension skill are dismal at best.