This new unit had better be good...

[Bottle]

... otherwise I'm *cancelling* my gold. I really enjoy supporting this community, so I'm not going to pull the plug, but I'm going to give away my account, or make another one for a friend of mine. I just think that the game has reached such a level where all those with reasonable ability have mastered the game, making any game between good players (of which I'd say there are about 20) decided SOLELY by good blocking or the first turn, or the formations. Of course, I'm still ridiculously addicted to the game, so I'll be playing grey all the time (which in my opinion surpasses the gold game by quite a margin), going for 1600 in one month probably. But the gold game isn't a good one any more. Still, hopefully the new unit will make things a little more interesting, at least until we master that one too, and either make one formation dominant or make everything come down to luck again.

I'm tempted not to play in the tourney. We have other, less cynical players, who would enjoy it more. But I can guarantee right now that the tournament will not be won by the better server, but by the luckier server. If DR wants me to play, I will. If he wants a replacement, that's fine.

[DeathWish]

Yes the new unit/units better be good.

[Foundation]

why would it be bad ?

[Wolfman]

i agree with bot.... 10 months or so playing the same set of units can bored down some who mastered the units already...

wolfy

[Punishment Co.]

Originally posted by Bottle
But I can guarantee right now that the tournament will not be won by the better server, but by the luckier server.

This is as true as it gets. Unless the Legenders have not fully mastered each unit and how to play with them, it will always be decided by the little things.

[Yuratart1]

i hope this new unit isnt another furgy...cuz that would be bad.

[Foundation]

heh heh i can't wait :/ baeoin's gold account hasn't been canceled yet ...

[doubledown]

well I know the new unit is the only reason why I will be going Gold. If I decide to commit money for a "free" online game then I do expect updates and generally a well-run business. I do enjoy the game, dont get me wrong, but I personnaly cant see how you guys stuck with paying for the game even though there hasnt been any updates for almost a year.

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by doubledown
well I know the new unit is the only reason why I will be going Gold. If I decide to commit money for a "free" online game then I do expect updates and generally a well-run business. I do enjoy the game, dont get me wrong, but I personnaly cant see how you guys stuck with paying for the game even though there hasnt been any updates for almost a year.

So that others who can not afford the game can still play it???

[Foundation]

So that others who can not afford the game can still play it???

I dunno if you'r meaning it in a bad way or a good way but the clown....the clown... the clown

[Jeffery]

I meant it in a good way. Many people want to support the comunity, even after learning to hate the game.

[DivineRight]

At the highest level of all competition, isn't it always the little things that determine a winner? Imbalances, luck and other factors are in every single game. Chess, Checkers, even Tic Tac Toe has these things present.

Bottle if you don't want to represent Revelation then just say so. You were invited onto the team and you have been selected as a member already, there has been no doubts by me or anyone else who support that you deserve a spot but I won't force anyone who doesn't want to be on the team to be there.

[theburning]

Sounds to me like Bottle was having his own case of PMS. :)

It's quite true that most people have mastered the game at this point and a new unit will most definitely be fun.
However, I'm still having fun with the older units.

[Sub-Zero]

Originally posted by theburning
Sounds to me like Bottle was having his own case of PMS. :)

It's quite true that most people have mastered the game at this point and a new unit will most definitely be fun.
However, I'm still having fun with the older units.
LOL Julia, So true, lol, Yeah i'm still having fun with the old units too, but the new one(s) had better be good.

[-=Demontamer=-]

if this unit isnt good I am cancelling my gold account !!!!


oh shit..I already did :(

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by theburning
Sounds to me like Bottle was having his own case of PMS. :)

It's quite true that most people have mastered the game at this point and a new unit will most definitely be fun.
However, I'm still having fun with the older units.

So, do you like other older things too???? [/leacherousoldman]

[theburning]

Originally posted by Jeffery
So, do you like other older things too???? [/leacherousoldman]

I like aged cheese.

[Sub-Zero]

... I'm still not gold, i wish i was so i could get the new unit... can you help me out theburning? i emailed DR, no answer, i made a thread, no reply, where's Bills? if DR's not here.

[ChingyDTP]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero
... I'm still not gold, i wish i was so i could get the new unit... can you help me out theburning? i emailed DR, no answer, i made a thread, no reply, where's Bills? if DR's not here. Maybe he doesn't like you. :rolleyes: :p :cool:

[theburning]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero
... I'm still not gold, i wish i was so i could get the new unit... can you help me out theburning? i emailed DR, no answer, i made a thread, no reply, where's Bills? if DR's not here.

Have you already emailed DR at goldaccounts@tacticsarena.com ?

If so....be patient! It's the weekend.

[Sub-Zero]

Oh, alright, lol but i did pay 5 days ago. and i still haven't received an email that i last checked.
Edit: Yep still no email.

[theburning]

Originally posted by Sub-Zero
Oh, alright, lol but i did pay 5 days ago. and i still haven't received an email that i last checked.
Edit: Yep still no email.

5 days ago?!?!
You are supposed to get an email from paypal right away confirming the payment.
If you never got the receipt, you might want to log into your paypal account to be sure that it ever even went through.

You may need to resubmit?

[Cephas]

*peeking back in as innocuously as possible, that way no one will notice...*
Originally posted by theburning
I like aged cheese.
As to that, the only relation between Jeffery and aged cheese is that he cuts it and people run! :D

I'm not planning on renewing my addiction any time soon, but someone be so good as to fill in the massive blank here. NEW UNIT?!? Is this another peculiar Bottle joke?

[Jeffery]

http://www.tacticsarena.com/

There is a new unit coming out silly.

[Amaroth]

I hear it's gonna be a Poop Golem.

[theburning]

Originally posted by Amaroth
I hear it's gonna be a Poop Golem.

Whoa. You're pretty close there.

[xyxaxyz2]

I still think there's a lot of improvement to be made in the playing styles of the "best", including me. The fact that I can consistently beat some of the best and some can consistently beat me, even when the effect of forms/luck/first turn are negligible, proves this.

And I play grey a lot these days on other names, sometimes against good players, and am continually impressed by the ingenuity of some...and thats after 10 months of playing grey without a new unit.

[kyrios24]

Thank you, xyx... first person not to jump on the bandwagon. I disagree with all of you! I don't think the game has become trivial yet. First of all, the blocking leads to different situations that the players have to adapt to. Formations aren't always the same either, which has a similar effect. Are you saying that you never make a mistake? I don't mean a glaring obvious mistake, I mean overlooking a long combination of moves, or even misclicking. Yes, a new unit will be nice, but I don't think that it's gotten bad enough that one would need to stop playing.

[F34R Eric]

Yea, seriously, a new unit will help bring some of the old golds back, and i don't think that many will leave. The game is still one of skill, aside for the occasional bomb/rush. Thats why i hope this unit isn't one that assists in bombinb/rushing.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Amaroth
I hear it's gonna be a Poop Golem.

It's about time they came up with something sensible. :)

3 other things
______________

1) Amaroth, you suck. :) Haven't seen you for a long time. How've you been?

2) The service around here is very poor. The system should be automated. It's not acceptable for people to have to wait when they don't need to.

3) DR should make the new unit a Snork! That would be moderately awesome. :)

[Bottle]

Originally posted by kyrios24
Are you saying that you never make a mistake? I don't mean a glaring obvious mistake, I mean overlooking a long combination of moves, or even misclicking.

Not if I'm concentrating. There are, as I say, about 20 people who don't make mistakes at all during the game (when they are playing well). It then comes down to blocking and formation. It's a long, long time since I've seen a series of good moves winning a game against a superior formation/lucky player. The units we have at the moment make too potent an attacking force, so a reasonable amount of skill on the attack can make you win easily, even against a player who would beat you comfortably grey on grey, where a couple of units is never enough to beat a good player.

A case in point; yesterday, I played punishment co., and we had same side turtles. He had first move, and penned in his own scout with his furgon, allowing me to attack. Had he stoned and attacked, he'd have won, no question. I stoned up and attacked his isolated furgon, forcing him to retreat the furgon even further, and made the scout completely unable to move. I had 2 scouts and a dragon attacking, and a muddie in reserve. He sent in his mud, which I froze, and shrubbed up. I should have won easily. Unfortunately, he then got 3 front hits on my furgon while I killed the muddie, and I lost the game as a result. He played badly at the start, and 3 hits won him the game. It didn't take much skill after that to win. I played better throughout the game, and lost to a 12.5% chance (0.5^3). This is not fun for me. It doesn't happen in grey games.

Theburning, it's not *just PMS*. I'm not enjoying the game. I don't care about the loss at all. I care about the fact that all my games are being decided not by skill, but by luck. Even the ones I win.

DR, I am still happy to play for the team, if you consider me to be worthy of a place. I'm sure I'll enjoy the grey games at least, and maybe the turtle matches will have equal luck in them. I just thought you might not want someone who doesn't really enjoy gold games representing our servers.

[search66]

I may be one of the "veteran" TAO-ists that is not totally stoked about a new unit.

Sure, I think it's great; but I'm not going to go wacky because the lack of new content...

I have fun with the same pieces, and just started to use the beast rider.

My problem is more about golds not playing... If DR could find a way to encourage golds to play; then I'd be happier than an ant in a bag of Skittles.


-66

[Bottle]

And again. I lost to zarack24 turtle to turtle... I got first turn and attacked immediately, but he got every single knight side block I shot at, forcing me to go after his scout and muddy. He played very badly, and lost his scout when he could easily have saved it. I got 0 dragon blocks, and lost the dragon, but reduced his muddy to 20. I then got 0 scout blocks (from the front as well), and I lost a scout to take his muddy. By this time, he'd got 10/14 knight side blocks and 4/7 scout side blocks, and I had 2 damage units left because I hadn't blocked all game. He even allowed me to take his frosty, again playing very badly, but I just didn't have enough damage units left, and when he took my muddie it was pretty much all over. But my point is that the last 12 gold games I've played (whether I won or lost) have ALL been decided, not by skill (although some games needed to be played well to win as well as having all the luck), but by first turn or blocking (and this isn't even to do with formations).

I'm sick of it. I'm trying to practise for the tourney and hone my skills, and all I'm learning is that the luckier player wins.

[theburning]

Originally posted by Bottle
Theburning, it's not *just PMS*. I'm not enjoying the game. I don't care about the loss at all. I care about the fact that all my games are being decided not by skill, but by luck. Even the ones I win.

Uh oh. I'm assuming you're pretty mad if you're calling me by that name?

[emerald slasher]

well luck sucks...it almost always is on my side against a good player and it makes me win by blocks.....bottle if there was a way id trade ya cause im sick of winning by luck

[theburning]

Originally posted by emerald slasher
well luck sucks...it almost always is on my side against a good player and it makes me win by blocks.....bottle if there was a way id trade ya cause im sick of winning by luck

Can I please have some of it?
I have the worst luck!

Actually! My new secret grey account has decent luck!
But of course...only when it doesn't really matter.

[MeMeMe]

Secret grey, eh? Sounds interesting, as for me going gold, I will when I can find the way, not when I think they deserve it. It is only $5 and I spend more on orange juice in a month.

[emerald slasher]

* tries to transfer luck*...waits to see burnings reaction

[Punishment Co.]

Originally posted by Bottle
A case in point; yesterday, I played punishment co., and we had same side turtles. He had first move, and penned in his own scout with his furgon, allowing me to attack. Had he stoned and attacked, he'd have won, no question. I stoned up and attacked his isolated furgon, forcing him to retreat the furgon even further, and made the scout completely unable to move. I had 2 scouts and a dragon attacking, and a muddie in reserve. He sent in his mud, which I froze, and shrubbed up. I should have won easily. Unfortunately, he then got 3 front hits on my furgon while I killed the muddie, and I lost the game as a result. He played badly at the start, and 3 hits won him the game. It didn't take much skill after that to win. I played better throughout the game, and lost to a 12.5% chance (0.5^3). This is not fun for me. It doesn't happen in grey games.

Who ho ho ho, let's not forget something here, missy.

Furgons have 50% chance of blocking, which doesn't surprise me that I actually got a shot in. In the case of a scout, which has 60% chance to block, I'd expect alot more blocking.

How about the fact that you killed my scout on a front hit? And how about the front shot that killed my dragon as well?

You *could* have won, but you didn't because you played poorly in the end. In my case, I shrubbed my scout and yet still managed to win it.

What's the lesson?

--edited--

happy, princess?

[lostandconfused]

*cough*60%blocking*cough*

[bludhoundz]

Like others on this thread, I'm still having great fun with the old units, and am not bored. I feel that there are still strategies that I fail to see which I could with more practice.

[Snork]

Hey, is bottle a girl?

To bottle;
Ahem, "Wrap it up buttface. Quit complaining. Quit making excuses. Just play and enjoy yourself. "

To me, "Mind your own damn business you dirty old man."

Oh...sorry.

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Punishment Co.
Who ho ho ho, let's not forget something here, missy.

Furgons have 50% chance of blocking, which doesn't surprise me that I actually got a shot in. In the case of a scout, which has 60% chance to block, I'd expect alot more blocking.

How about the fact that you killed my scout on a front hit? And how about the front shot that killed my dragon as well?

You *could* have won, but you didn't because you played poorly in the end. In my case, I shrubbed my scout and yet still managed to win it.

What's the lesson?

--edited--

happy, princess?

Yep, you could say that the blocking was *even*, because afterwards I got a couple of fortunate shots. The only reason I went for them, however, is because I'd already lost. The IMPORTANT blocks all went your way; once they had, the rest of the game was irrelevant if you played it right, which you did (this is one of the examples of skill having been necessary as well as luck).

You said that you didn't expect the furgon to block because he has 50% blocking. That's fair enough, but what about the other 2 hits from the front? Surely I could expect to get at least one block? And that was another point of mine anyway; if you hit, you won, and if you missed, I'd have won. That's not my idea of tactics. Even had I won the game, I'd have felt like I'd cheated you out of a game in which you played well.

Snork, either make a constructive comment, or take your own advice. I assure you, I'm trying to "just play and enjoy yourself". Unfortunately, the game won't let me.

[Xiao Cloud inc.]

legends rumor has it that the new unit is for golds (legends equivilent: DOUBLE gold) so that it will be stronger than other gold units, some speculation has it that it's strnoger than the dragon, or a new paralyzer (i can only dream)

[*The Nothing*]

Bottle, your a good player, and so is puni and the others you've mentioned, however I would like you to stop complaining, anyone who has played me, can say, "damn man, your luck is the worst ever!!". However, I'm not in the forums complaining, I DID used to complain, but really, what's that going to get you? Nothing. Just less respect from everyone else in these forums. I have one of two thing, that you can do:

Play the game like it is, and move on.

Keep on complaining, and leave/quit the game.

Either way, this game moves on, with or without you.

*T N*

[Snork]

Bottle, I don't think you're trying very hard to enjoy the game because you constantly complain and make excuses.

It's not like you're playing for money. If you are, then your problems are much worse than I thought. But you're probably not, so what's the big deal?

Just play, and whatever happens, just enjoy the game.

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Snork
Bottle, I don't think you're trying very hard to enjoy the game because you constantly complain and make excuses.

I'm trying to enjoy the game. It may sound like I'm making excuses, but seriously, who makes excuses when they win? (Which I have been doing as well, and I still don't enjoy it, because I don't feel like I've earned a win that's won by blocking.)

Originally posted by Snork
It's not like you're playing for money. If you are, then your problems are much worse than I thought. But you're probably not, so what's the big deal?

It's not winning or losng that bothers me. And no, I'm not playing for money... that would be stupid.

Originally posted by Snork
Just play, and whatever happens, just enjoy the game.

What if the game isn't enjoyable? My games today haven't been too influenced by luck, but when it does rear its ugly head, should I enjoy that too?

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

Maybe you lose every 1 out of 5 games becuase of luck that is still good.

[Bottle]

Originally posted by MANSLAUGHTER1
Maybe you lose every 1 out of 5 games becuase of luck that is still good.

That's 1 out of 5 games you don't enjoy. And then there's the 1 out of 5 you win through good luck, so that's 2 out of 5 games that aren't good games. And some people seem to have more variable luck than others, so as many as 50% of games aren't fun. Surely there's a problem there?

[theburning]

Bottle you seem to be pretty bitter these days.
I know that luck can be frustrating but! It's not like luck wasn't always a factor in the game?

Was the idea behind this thread that you wanted us all to beg you to not go?
Because I will if you want. :(

[Snork]

Originally posted by Bottle
I'm trying to enjoy the game. It may sound like I'm making excuses, but seriously, who makes excuses when they win?
um...do you watch sports much? Happens all the time.
They make excuses why they won, but weren't able to completely blow the opponent away.
Boxers especially are bad for that. And they always say, "he never hurt me" no matter how bad they got rocked.


It's not winning or losng that bothers me. And no, I'm not playing for money... that would be stupid.

Yes, it would be stupid. Which wouldn't prevent some people from doing it. :)



What if the game isn't enjoyable? My games today haven't been too influenced by luck, but when it does rear its ugly head, should I enjoy that too?

Yes, you should. Just enjoy each move as it happens. Even when you're losing, it's still fun to get a good blast in with a pyro, or knock his favorite unit out of there. Sometimes you just have to enjoy what you have, rather than what you want.

[/B]

[Snork]

Originally posted by Bottle
That's 1 out of 5 games you don't enjoy.

That's 4 out of 5 games you do enjoy.
Knights block 4 out of 5 from the front.
People seem quite confident for their knights to block a front shot.
Maybe you should go into games knowing that the fun factor is equal to the knight blocking factor.
Half if you play sideways.

[Twilurk]

Why did you include your own text in the quote?


Anyway, Bottle, I think I know what your problem is.

You've reached a skill point in the game where you don't make mistakes. That means only luck will make you lose. And since you play a lot of people of the same caliber, or close to it, for the challenge the only real reason they'd lose is luck too. That's why this game isn't enjoyable. It's because you've become so good at it that any deviation, one way or the other, is just galling to think over.

At least I think that's what the problem is...

I hope you figure it out, I think you're a large asset to the community. Maybe you should think of challenging yourself with new formations and tactics or something... though I'm pretty sure you've done all that too.

[Wolfman]

Originally posted by Twilurk

Anyway, Bottle, I think I know what your problem is.

You've reached a skill point in the game where you don't make mistakes. That means only luck will make you lose. And since you play a lot of people of the same caliber, or close to it, for the challenge the only real reason they'd lose is luck too. That's why this game isn't enjoyable. It's because you've become so good at it that any deviation, one way or the other, is just galling to think over.


Nice one Twilurk.... i enjoyed reading what u just wrote... make a lot of sense.

If I might just add something, it's not only bot's problem..... it has always been a problem to the so "top 20 ppls" in the servers.

Also, even though now i aint the top 20s... i hv a similiar prob...

wolfy

****Bot, don get it wrong... i aint sucking up on u.... i feel the same.... one thing different thou, i don complain much :)

[Snork]

Originally posted by Twilurk
Why did you include your own text in the quote?




I think I'm so legendary I like to quote myself. :p

Plus I don't know how to type properly and messed up.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Wolfman


****Bot, don get it wrong... i aint sucking up on u....


Talk about something I didn't want to hear. :p

[*The Nothing*]

Lmao @ snorky

Bottle, I like you man, your a good person, and player. I just got out of a match with tbnavarro, on rev. This kid gets 21 side scout blocks, got something to say for that? Before this game tho....Punishment co.

He gets EVERY block, that counts for ANYTHING at all. I got no good blocks, besides one, in which saved my scout, for two extra turns.....this is an everyday thing for me, if you play me just ONE game, you'll see.....my luck is really awful, and still yet, I maintain a good rating on both army and rev. On army it's really hard to maintain a 1730+ rating, when your luck is NEVER good. I know alot of you think " This guy is lying, his luck isn't ALWAYS bad." and for that......I have one simple answer, Yes it is. Play me one time, anyone reading this, i'm on rev, come play me one time, you'll see, just how awful my luck really is. Bottle, The purpose of this post, isn't to complain about my luck, but to say, other ppl have wayyyyy worst luck, than you, so let it go, and move on!

No one wants to see you leave......or at least I know I don't. Keep your head up man, ppl like me and you, we are bound to have good luck one time at least....lol. Cya around man.

*T N*

[Snork]

Hey, is bottle a girl?

*The Nothing*, empty your freakin' pm box! :)
How in the world do you people let your boxes get full??
I launched a campain of mass pming which is still continuing, and I've never had my box fill up.

Oh yeah, unit better rock..blah blah....hi bottle....blah blah...

Cya later.

[Bottle]

I'm sure people do have worse luck than me. But on rev earlier (and you said this yourself) you said you don't enjoy games where luck decides the outcome. This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I'm not complaining about losing because of bad luck, I'm just pointing out how annoying it is that a tactics game is decided 40% of the time by luck, if you're playing against a good player.

Snork, I'm a) not a girl, and b) not at all confident that my knights will block from the front. And in any case, I said 40% or 50%, not 20%. Are you always sure your scout will make a front block? Or that you'll hit a knight side or furgon front?

Twilurk, that is very perceptive of you. Which is why, as I stated in my first post, this new unit had better be a good one, that takes a long time to master by the good players.

Julia, I don't want people to beg me to stay. I just want to have fun when I'm playing, like I used to when we all played turtle games that relied almost solely on skill and positioning, around 6 months ago. At the moment, I only get enjoyment from grey games, and turtle games where the luck is equal on both sides, allowing both players to show their skills.

[theburning]

I've been obsessed with grey games lately too!
I play a lot on armageddon though!
Tell ugh ??? to come there to be with her!

[Bottle]

Grey is the true tactician's game.That's why I'm looking forward to the rev-legends tourney so much, because I'm going to enjoy pitting my wits against good players on an even playing field.

[theburning]

Originally posted by Bottle
Grey is the true tactician's game.That's why I'm looking forward to the rev-legends tourney so much, because I'm going to enjoy pitting my wits against good players on an even playing field.

Me too!
But there is also the turtle games for you in the tournament too?

So is ugh ??? coming or what?

[Bottle]

Originally posted by theburning
But there is also the turtle games for you in the tournament too?

So is ugh ??? coming or what?

Well, I can only hope that in the turtle games, luck is reasonably even.

ugh ??? couldn't come last night, because he had to go. :(

[Shaman]

Originally posted by Bottle
I played better throughout the game, and lost to a 12.5% chance (0.5^3). This is not fun for me. It doesn't happen in grey games.


You sound like Peyton Manning after EVERY game vs the Patriots.
"We played better than them, we should have won, but..."

[*The Nothing*]

Snork, i have no pm's in the inbox, Haven't for the past two weeks.:D

[Bottle]

Originally posted by *The Nothing*
Snork, i have no pm's in the inbox, Haven't for the past two weeks.:D

What about your sent items? They block up PM space too.

Originally posted by Shaman
You sound like Peyton Manning after EVERY game vs the Patriots.
"We played better than them, we should have won, but..."

No, I don't, because I'm not trying to give excuses for why I'm losing.

[Shaman]

Yes you are.
EXACTLY.

You both want to believe you are the elite and can not possibly lose due to skill.

You both acknowledge luck, yet dont want it to be the deciding factor of the match.

Perhaps Punishment Co. took a calculated risk, as opposed to making 'mistakes', like you portent. Perhaps, where his ambitions fell short his luck won him the day. Instead of simply acknowledging a challenging opponent who BEAT YOU, regardless of reason. You complain about the mechanics of the game itself.

You need to get over yourselves and understand you play the game BY CHOICE. If you want a game without chance, play Chess. Make the choice and live with it.

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Shaman
You both want to believe you are the elite and can not possibly lose due to skill.

I don't think that at all. I'm certainly good, but I'm not the best player here. What I was complaining about was that Puni had several chances to make better moves that would probably have won the game much sooner and without need for risk, yet he didn't take them. I took all the chances I was presented with, played pretty well, and lost. I was the better tactician, and lost.

Originally posted by Shaman
You both acknowledge luck, yet dont want it to be the deciding factor of the match.

Well of course. I'm here to play a tactics game. If I wanted luck to be the deciding factor in the game, I'd play another game.

Originally posted by Shaman
Perhaps Punishment Co. took a calculated risk, as opposed to making 'mistakes', like you portent. Perhaps, where his ambitions fell short his luck won him the day. Instead of simply acknowledging a challenging opponent who BEAT YOU, regardless of reason. You complain about the mechanics of the game itself.

Oh, I'm not blaming Puni at all. He's an excellent player, and made some excellent moves (not least to guard his cleric from LOS, by which time he'd already all but won, but w/e). Taking a calculated risk is fine, and I would have made exactly the same moves that killed my furgy in his position. Indeed, I took a calculated risk in leaving my furgy in a shootable position. But the thing which annoys me is that I shouldn't have to take a risk that will decide the battle in a tactics game.

Originally posted by Shaman
You need to get over yourselves and understand you play the game BY CHOICE. If you want a game without chance, play Chess. Make the choice and live with it.

I do play chess. It's not as imaginative or variable as this game, which is why I play this game more than I play chess. I've already stated my choice, which is to play grey if the new unit doesn't improve the game. Ok?

[*The Nothing*]

Well, in this case, we'll just wait for the new unit then.....

*waits for new unit*

BTW! thanks bottle, the sent box had a crap load of msg's thanks man.

[Bottle]

No problem.

*Is also waiting for new unit*

[*The Nothing*]

*waits longer for new unit than bottle*;)

[Bottle]

Originally posted by *The Nothing*
*waits longer for new unit than bottle*;)

*eats some cheese*

[*The Nothing*]

*eats more cheese then bottle*



Meanwhile *thinks he can do anything better than bottle*

[Bottle]

Originally posted by *The Nothing*
*eats more cheese then bottle*

Oh yeah, like that's going to happen. :rolleyes:

[S_K_O_F]

NETJAK RULES SI!!!


i cant believe i just said that

[Bottle]

No spam in my thread, please. Only cheesey spam.

[Punishment Co.]

Originally posted by Bottle
I don't think that at all. I'm certainly good, but I'm not the best player here. What I was complaining about was that Puni had several chances to make better moves that would probably have won the game much sooner and without need for risk, yet he didn't take them. I took all the chances I was presented with, played pretty well, and lost. I was the better tactician, and lost.

Dude, seriously, I'm getting pretty irritated hearing all these shit, from you. If you simply cannot deal with the fact that a three in a row shot on something that can block 50% of the time, then you need to take your ball and go play somewhere else. I have had worse luck than you and I don't trash the people whom I have played with on the forums. I for one am sick of reading this thread and get my so-called "playing skills" get trashed by you and your little girly problems.

I'll quote Aro23r for this one, and please listen:

"Shit happens. Eat it and move on".

One more thing Bottle, you say you hate relying on luck and all that, yet it was you that left that LOS for me to take advantage of and kill your furgon. What you could have done was to retreat your furgon the way I did and block off all LOS shots. You didn't, and relied on your furgon to block. If it had blocked, I bet this little thread wouldn't have been made.

Get the edited over it. Seriously.

[*The Nothing*]

Your right on that one skof, Netjak does rule si....:p

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Punishment Co.
One more thing Bottle, you say you hate relying on luck and all that, yet it was you that left that LOS for me to take advantage of and kill your furgon. What you could have done was to retreat your furgon the way I did and block off all LOS shots. You didn't, and relied on your furgon to block. If it had blocked, I bet this little thread wouldn't have been made.

Get the edited over it. Seriously.

I said in my last post that I took a calculated risk myself. It just irks me that the calculated risks can decide the game.

I didn't make this thread in response to the game with you. I made it before we even played.

[S_K_O_F]

*is in the lead*

[Bottle]

Idiot. Get out of this thread.

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by Bottle
Idiot. Get out of this thread.

lol

at least insult me with something creative

[Bottle]

Only if you post something other than *pwns Bottle* or *is in the lead*. Especially since you're not in the lead at all. :)

[S_K_O_F]

I was in the lead...i had the top 7 threads

then i got bored

now i am in no hurry

but please continue posting so i have something to reply to...i need to overtake xyx sometime in the next couple weeks

[Bottle]

You only got the top 6 threads because I was on GL trying to get your attention, and not posting. When I actually got my postwhoring ass into first gear, I got the top 5 pretty quickly. In the 6th one, I have nothing to post about. :)

[S_K_O_F]

so...you are honestly going to quit the game if the unit doesn't meet your "standard" of worthyness?

[Bottle]

Nope. I'm going to stop playing gold, and play grey instead. In any case, I don't think that's likely to happen. After the new unit has been mastered as well and luck becomes the deciding factor again, well, I might then.

Anyway, it's not about the "game meeting my standard of worthiness". It's about me enjoying the game.

[S_K_O_F]

well...if the game is not fun, would it be not worthy to expend time on?

[Snork]

Bottle, the rod up your butt must have a rod up it's butt.

So much to say, no point to any of it. But I'll say it anyway.

Read to the end before replying.

Number A) Bottle, you complain more than anybody on here. And you can't even come to terms with it. You complain like crazy. Accept it. Admit it. Then we can move on to 2.

2) Get over it already! Quit whining! You're acting like a baby. A few blocks in a game won't change the course of history, or even cause most people to care. Let it go.

c) You have excuses for everything. You're acting like a child.

4) You don't seem to understand how blocking works. There's nothing unusual about a knight getting hit 4 times in a row from the front, or a witch blocking from the side 3 times. It's exactly how probability should work. Expecting that over 5 shots, your knight will get hit exactly once, that's the gamblers falacy, and it causes people to lose money.

e) You've shown yourself to be a terrible sport by continuing to use Pun. as an example of why luck is unfair because he isn't nearly as good as you, or at least that's how you make it sound. Sure, we all know Pun sucks. He's one of the worst players ever. ;) (sorry pun, had to :D )
But it's exceptionally rude to continue dissing him in your unending cries for pity.

6) Nobody feels sorry for you. If you're looking for somebody to hold your hand and tell you everything is alright, it's not going to happen. We're trying to help you, but you continue to resort to degrading the game and your opponents with excuses when nobody really cares.

g) The first word in the name is TACTICS!! Calculated risks are, should be, and always will be part of any tactical situation. Calculated risks are the basis behind the game. I have a good strategy, but, will "X" work the way I want it to so I can set up "Y".
"I'll distract him with the Truffle Shuffle, then hit him with a Twisty McFisty."
You want to take that risk, because you believe it will work, but you should have a back up plan, like any good general would.
If you don't, it's your own fault.

8) Your eating cheese. Now I see. You can't win with luck, so you're gonna try and fart people out of the arena. You've finally caught the point. Tactics man, tactics.

i) Are you sure you're not a girl?

10) If you don't like luck, use all spellcasters and Chantys, and such. Take the luck out of your attacks.

k) S_K_O_F is in the lead

12) Holy crap! Now you're making excuses why Skof was able to outpost you.
"I would have won if all those other guys hadn't beaten me"
"The sun got in my eyes"
:)

m) Just because you're gold doesn't mean you can't just play with all grey units some games. I'm sure that's what y'all do.
This renews the call for a set up 1/set up 2 button. One for grey, one for gold. :p

14) Thanks for helping *The Nothing* resolve his pm box problems. :) Now, time for dozens of pms. :)

o) That's it for now, I'll post more later. :)

[S_K_O_F]

snork

your humor is unending...and quite unique

it is appreciated

[Snork]

Originally posted by S_K_O_F
snork

your humor is unending...and quite unique

it is appreciated

What are you talking about?
I was being serious. :)

Aren't those valid points? :)

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by Snork
What are you talking about?
I was being serious. :)

Aren't those valid points? :)

:eek: oh ...i didnt realize

of course they were valid...especially point k:cool:

bottle = pwned by snork

[*The Nothing*]

Snork is my favorite person in these here forums......*laughs his ass off about snorks post*.

[Goldberg]

How arrogant this thread is.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Goldberg
How arrogant this thread is.

What's your point?
You got something better to talk about? :)

[*The Nothing*]

arrogant? how the hell can a thread be arrogant?

[Snork]

I've been playing as a gold.
Still getting used to playing.
Lost 3 games in a row to golds over 1200.
Then I realized I was only playing with 9 units. :p

I can't even count, don't know how I manage to play. :)

No wonder I was down units so fast. :)

[*The Nothing*]

snork, your leader again on army, i think i'm just going to quit....

[Goldberg]

Originally posted by *The Nothing*
arrogant? how the hell can a thread be arrogant?

... I'm assuming you didn't get what I mean, so I will try to explain..:rolleyes:

This whole thread is about how someone feels he is too good to be beaten by skill.

This whole thread is about how someone thinks that luck is the only thing that can beat him.

This whole thread is about how someone feels the need to criticize, let alone degrade, how other people play.

Get it?

[Jeffery]

Except for the fact that Bottle can back up his arrogance. And show me where he was degrading anyone?

[Goldberg]

Originally posted by Bottle
He played very badly, and lost his scout when he could easily have saved it. I got 0 dragon blocks, and lost the dragon, but reduced his muddy to 20. He even allowed me to take his frosty, again playing very badly, but I just didn't have enough damage units left, and when he took my muddie it was pretty much all over.

Originally posted by Bottle
What I was complaining about was that Puni had several chances to make better moves that would probably have won the game much sooner and without need for risk, yet he didn't take them. I took all the chances I was presented with, played pretty well, and lost. I was the better tactician, and lost.

[Jeffery]

And that would be facts that even Puni hasn;t really denied.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Jeffery
Except for the fact that Bottle can back up his arrogance. And show me where he was degrading anyone?

I don't think arrogance is something you can back up.
When you're arrogant, it's just a bad attitude.
He certainly doesn't win every game, while I get from him the attitude that he thinks he should win every game.

And he's degrading many people.
He can't handle losing so he has to come up with excuses.
No matter the result, when you come up with excuses and accusations, it degrades both your opponent and the game.

Hey Jeff, has anybody ever told you that you look like Michael Moore?

[Jeffery]

I know several people who are arrogant, and can back it up.

That is not always a good thing, as good sportsmanship in winning is just as important as goodsportsmanship when losing.
And I still stand by my statement that Bottle can, and does, back up his arrogance.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Jeffery
I know several people who are arrogant, and can back it up.

That is not always a good thing, as good sportsmanship in winning is just as important as goodsportsmanship when losing.
And I still stand by my statement that Bottle can, and does, back up his arrogance.

You can't back up arrogance.
Arrogance is just a bad attitude.
It just proves that you're a bad sport.

You can back up skill. You can have a lot of confidence. You can back that up.

But to be arrogant, you just have a bad attitude.

Hey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Andre the Giant?

[Amaroth]

I'm a heartless prick. Do I back it up well?

[Snork]

Originally posted by Amaroth
I'm brainless with no prick. Do I back it up well?

Yeah, it's pretty obvious. :)

[Amaroth]

Woot. Thanks, Snorkulberry. I don't need to brain or prick to be cool.

:cool:

[S_K_O_F]

i had this incredible feeling of deja vu a second ago

[Amaroth]

Because me and Snork have had this EXACT arguement about four-hundered times.

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by Amaroth
Because me and Snork have had this EXACT arguement about four-hundered times.

actually...i dont think it had anything to do with you

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Snork
Number A) Bottle, you complain more than anybody on here. And you can't even come to terms with it. You complain like crazy. Accept it. Admit it. Then we can move on to 2.

I complain, yes. *moves on to 2*

Originally posted by Snork
2) Get over it already! Quit whining! You're acting like a baby. A few blocks in a game won't change the course of history, or even cause most people to care. Let it go.

Sure it won't change history. But it's not history that's the problem here, is it?

Originally posted by Snork
c) You have excuses for everything. You're acting like a child.

I have excuses? For what? Losing? I'm not saying I didn't deserve to lose, did I? I accepted the loss, but found it unenjoyable, which is why I posted here.

Originally posted by Snork
4) You don't seem to understand how blocking works. There's nothing unusual about a knight getting hit 4 times in a row from the front, or a witch blocking from the side 3 times. It's exactly how probability should work. Expecting that over 5 shots, your knight will get hit exactly once, that's the gamblers falacy, and it causes people to lose money.

I know how blocking works, thank you very much. I fully understand that 3 furgon hits or whatever is certainly possible. But I wasn't complaining about that, was I? All I said (and I don't know how many times I have to make this point) is that it's not what I like in a tactics game. It's not fun.

Originally posted by Snork
e) You've shown yourself to be a terrible sport by continuing to use Pun. as an example of why luck is unfair because he isn't nearly as good as you, or at least that's how you make it sound. Sure, we all know Pun sucks. He's one of the worst players ever. ;) (sorry pun, had to :D )
But it's exceptionally rude to continue dissing him in your unending cries for pity.

I'm not dissing puni at all. If you look back at this thread, I made one post about 1 game with puni. All the posts I have made since then are in RESPONSE to someone attacking me over what I said in the original post. I didn't ask to bring that battle up over and over.

Originally posted by Snork
6) Nobody feels sorry for you. If you're looking for somebody to hold your hand and tell you everything is alright, it's not going to happen. We're trying to help you, but you continue to resort to degrading the game and your opponents with excuses when nobody really cares.

Didi I ask anyone to feel sorry for me?

Originally posted by Snork
g) The first word in the name is TACTICS!! Calculated risks are, should be, and always will be part of any tactical situation.

That doesn't make sense. You say it's a tactics game, and then say that relying on luck is a part of that?

Originally posted by Snork
8) Your eating cheese. Now I see. You can't win with luck, so you're gonna try and fart people out of the arena. You've finally caught the point. Tactics man, tactics.

Nope, I just happen to like cheese.

Originally posted by Snork
i) Are you sure you're not a girl?

Yep.

Originally posted by Snork
10) If you don't like luck, use all spellcasters and Chantys, and such. Take the luck out of your attacks.

Oh yeah, good idea. And then when I don't get a single pyro block all game, can I complain then? The only way to stop luck altogether is to use only units with no blocking and unblockability. So, time to field an army of only clerics, frosties and chanties, eh?

Originally posted by Snork
k) S_K_O_F is in the lead

Not when I left he wasn't.

Originally posted by Snork
12) Holy crap! Now you're making excuses why Skof was able to outpost you.
"I would have won if all those other guys hadn't beaten me"
"The sun got in my eyes"
:)

Hah. So what was I meant to say? Nothing? Let him think he'd got one over me, or tell the truth?

Originally posted by Snork
m) Just because you're gold doesn't mean you can't just play with all grey units some games. I'm sure that's what y'all do.
This renews the call for a set up 1/set up 2 button. One for grey, one for gold. :p

I regularly do on rev. I have a grey account as well on banff as well.

Originally posted by Snork
14) Thanks for helping *The Nothing* resolve his pm box problems. :) Now, time for dozens of pms. :)

No problem. Always happy to help a PM whore.

Originally posted by Snork
o) That's it for now, I'll post more later. :)

Thank god, this post was getting long enough anyway. And now onto Goldberg, who obviously hasn't read the thread properly EITHER.

Originally posted by Goldberg
This whole thread is about how someone feels he is too good to be beaten by skill.

I don't, actually. Some players can simply outplay me. But there aren't many. I honestly find that around 80% of my losses are not down to my bad play or my opponent's good play, but down to bad luck. Not that winning or losing is the point here. The point is enjoyment.

Originally posted by Goldberg
This whole thread is about how someone thinks that luck is the only thing that can beat him.

See above.

Originally posted by Goldberg
This whole thread is about how someone feels the need to criticize, let alone degrade, how other people play.

I'm sorry, did you not read the bit about where I said puni played some parts of the game extremely well? I'm sure he'll be the first to admit that sometimes he could have made a better move. In fact, at 3 points during the game, I thought to myself *If he move there, I'll have to surrender*. He didn't take any of those oppurtunities. Of course, he won anyway :)

One final point. This is to try and drill my original point in again. I do not care about the fact that I lost. AT ALL. I care about the fact that the games were not fun.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Amaroth
Because me and Snork have had this EXACT arguement about four-hundered times.

And we enjoyed it every time. :)

[Amaroth]

Originally posted by Snork
And we enjoyed it every time. :)

Of course. It's like having Christmas once a week.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Amaroth
Of course. It's like having Christmas once a week.

I see Bottle replied to my thread.
I'll respond later.

But until I do;
Amaroth, get in there! :)

Pick our posts apart. :)

You'll get getting your jollies for hours with all the ammo we gave you. :)

[Amaroth]

Originally posted by Snork
I see Bottle replied to my thread.
I'll respond later.

But until I do;
Amaroth, get in there! :)

Pick our posts apart. :)

You'll get getting your jollies for hours with all the ammo we gave you. :)

Your thread? Where is this?

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by Amaroth
Your thread? Where is this?

I think the b00n meant post.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Jeffery
I think the b00n meant post.

No.
Actually I'm taking credit for every thread I post in.
This is my thread now.

Hey, you never did respond to the Michael Moore or more ridiculous Andre the Giant thing. :)

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by Snork
No.
Actually I'm taking credit for every thread I post in.
This is my thread now.

Hey, you never did respond to the Michael Moore or more ridiculous Andre the Giant thing. :)

it was too funny to defile with a response

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by Snork
No.
Actually I'm taking credit for every thread I post in.
This is my thread now.

Hey, you never did respond to the Michael Moore or more ridiculous Andre the Giant thing. :)

I never saw the Andre reference, can you repost it?

*Nevermind, read it. I'll gie the same reply as mine to the Michael Moore post:









.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Jeffery
I never saw the Andre reference, can you repost it?

In two seperate posts in threads I own, actually I think this one, I said,

Hey Jeffrey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Michael Moore?

Hey Jeffrey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Andre the Giant?

It's unlikely, but you never know what weirdos are gonna say.

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by Snork
In two seperate posts in threads I own, actually I think this one, I said,

Hey Jeffrey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Michael Moore?

Hey Jeffrey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Andre the Giant?

It's unlikely, but you never know what weirdos are gonna say.

it is two consecutive posts by snork on this thread

he made the moore comment
then gave me deja vu and posted the andre comment

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by Snork
In two seperate posts in threads I own, actually I think this one, I said,

Hey Jeffrey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Michael Moore?

Hey Jeffrey, has anybody ever told you that you look like Andre the Giant?

It's unlikely, but you never know what weirdos are gonna say.

Mr. Snork, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Rippoff of Billi Madison Alert

[cs_zero]

:eek:
EDIT: dam i did it again!!!

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

Originally posted by cs_zero
:eek:
EDIT: dam i did it again!!!

Does anyone else think that is funny?

[cs_zero]

:rolleyes:
can a mod disable my little faces, so i have to post something?

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by cs_zero
:rolleyes:
can a mod disable my little faces, so i have to post something?

At the bottom of the thread is a box with "Disable Smilies in This Post ' next to it. Check that box and smilies in that post will be disabled.
And before posting a retarded post that conbains a single word, or other worthless non-content item, think twice and say nothing.

[cs_zero]

But i like to post nothing.... :(

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by cs_zero
But i like to post nothing.... :(

We know this. And that is why you are a spammer and not a post whore.
In fact, i think h()()t would be better off than you here, because ven during his worst spelling times, at least he had something to say.

Ever hear the saying:
"It is best to say nothing and have people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it."?
Trust me, your contentless posts only prove you a fool that you don't need to be.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Jeffery
Mr. Snork, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


Rippoff of Billi Madison Alert

To which part of it are you refering? :)

You're just jealous.
Of what, I don't know.
But you're just jealous all the same. :)

Everyone is dumber for having heard it.
What about you for taking the time to reply to it, not to mention think about it. :)

Oh well.
You're still awesome. :)

And cs_zero, pretty sad when you can be at the peak of your witt, and all you posted is a smile. :)

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Snork
This is my thread now.

Oh really? I think not. :rolleyes:

Still, at least we've gone off topic enough for people to stop flaming me for saing I'm not having fun. :)

[Amaroth]

I still say it's a Poop Golem.

[***Duo***]

Actually Ach...its a "Golem Ambusher" ^^


-Duo

[Asmodeus]

With a ranged attack! :eek: :eek:

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by ***Duo***
Actually Ach...its a "Golem Ambusher" ^^


-Duo

no duo...you are wrong

you didnt read that right

[Bottle]

SKOF speaks the truth. It's called "The Golem Ambusher".

[-=Demontamer=-]

Originally posted by theburning
I like aged cheese.


:confused: :confused: :confused:

wow...just..wow.....

Anyway !! THAT GOLEM AMBUSHER IS GONNA BE KICK ASS WIZZY SAID IT WAS GONA BE A GOLEM BUT DID ANYONE BELIEVE WIZZY NO THEY DIDNT THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE A NEW FORM OF THE FREAKING DRAGON BUT ITS NOT !!!


^^^
Sorry for caps :)

[Bottle]

Originally posted by -=Demontamer=-
WIZZY SAID IT WAS GONA BE A GOLEM BUT DID ANYONE BELIEVE WIZZY NO THEY DIDNT THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA BE A NEW FORM OF THE FREAKING DRAGON BUT ITS NOT !!!

Oh really? And where did *wizzy* say this?

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by Bottle
Oh really? And where did *wizzy* say this?

In the same place as they said it was a dragon speak witch, and another dragon, and a few other guesses. The poor bastards over there get less information than us.

[Draquist]

This game has been and always will be 50% Luck...The best of the best lose to well...not so good players (tried putting it in a nice way so i dont get flipped out on again). Bombers, Rushers they will always be around and thats the way it is. People have been talking of a new unit for quite some time now and then seed disappears and nothing happens. The gold units have gotten old, and im sure 1 unit isnt gonna keep many people around. The people that 1 new unit does keep around, it wont keep them around for very long unless it is a great unit. Just for a future idea, I think seed and all who help on the units should created a few units at once and release them all at the same time. Im sure if you let out 3 or 4 units at one time that it would keep plenty of people interested.

*Draq

[Big X]

Im very excited for a new unit. However with me being a turtle purest i feel that the name of the unit alone will make turtlesobsolete totally. I hope the enhances play all around. Not just for the bombers/rushers. Also i hope i isnt as annoying as the furgon i hate those damn things (i still think they shouldnt block at all). But anyways...whats with the name... itsmore like a discription, not a name. I cant abreviate the name like muddy, frosty, or furg. What will i call it for short? I love my ambusher (just dont sound right to me).

[Wayfaerer]

the furgon is champ, no new units can take its glory :cool:

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by Big X
Im very excited for a new unit. However with me being a turtle purest i feel that the name of the unit alone will make turtlesobsolete totally. I hope the enhances play all around. Not just for the bombers/rushers. Also i hope i isnt as annoying as the furgon i hate those damn things (i still think they shouldnt block at all). But anyways...whats with the name... itsmore like a discription, not a name. I cant abreviate the name like muddy, frosty, or furg. What will i call it for short? I love my ambusher (just dont sound right to me).

His new name shall be "Bushy"

[King Of Flame]

Retarded name, IMO.

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by King Of Flame
Retarded name, IMO.

Yes, but it was better than Amby.
hard to have a cool nickname with a name like that :0

[S_K_O_F]

so ...this "new" unit

does its range weapon work like a scouts arrow

or will it work like a catapult so that it can throw things over things...like say shrubs

[King Of Flame]

Originally posted by Jeffery
Yes, but it was better than Amby.
hard to have a cool nickname with a name like that :0

Yes, now that I think of it.

Golem Ambusher > Amby

Amby < 'Seed's pet cat'

:Ddoes its range weapon work like a scouts arrow

The site said 'it will ALSO have...etc'. So i'm guessing it will be like the Muddys secondary abilities.

[S_K_O_F]

Originally posted by King Of Flame
Yes, now that I think of it.

Golem Ambusher > Amby

Amby < 'Seed's pet cat'

:D

The site said 'it will ALSO have...etc'. So i'm guessing it will be like the Muddys secondary abilities.

um...that is cool...but it does not answer my question

[King Of Flame]

Originally posted by S_K_O_F
um...that is cool...but it does not answer my question


Oh the catapult thing? Welll that I don't know. It would be interesting to see it pick up and throw a unit. :D

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Wayfaerer
the furgon is champ, no new units can take its glory :cool:

I look forward to showing you how to use it in the rev-legends tourney. :)

[meat.eater]

nickname: TGA

[Amaroth]

This new unit sounds wicked not cool.

[Snork]

Originally posted by Bottle
Oh really? I think not. :rolleyes:



Well you're wrong.

That certainly doesn't surprise me. :)

This is my thread now.
But I'm a man of the people, and I let the people determine the course of my threads.
Carry on people!
You're the stars! :)

[JC86]

Originally posted by Amaroth
This new unit sounds wicked not cool.

is wicked.. but it r0x0rs:rolleyes:

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by meat.eater
nickname: TGA

I already named him Bushy.

And JC86, we know you're illiterate, but "hacker" talk just makes you more of a n00b.

[Snork]

Hi.
Not gonna quote Bottle, this is replying to his post on page 8, 7th post down.

Ok, you admit that you complain.

Don't try to change the arguements. Don't lie and say you didn't say things.

No, it's not history that's the problem. It's your complaining. But you complain about trivial things, things that aren't very important. That was my point, and it's a valid one.

You have excuses for both losing and winning.
You do imply that you didn't deserve to lose, you do it a lot. You tell people you played way better, and you should have won, but....

Yes you were complaining about those Furgot blocks/hits. You took exception to everything you thought were improbable blocks/hits.

Yes you were dissing Pun. By continuing to state that he played badly and you should have won, you're being disrespectful. It doesn't matter if he agrees, or if it's true. Publicly stating it is disrespectful to him as a player and a person. And you're an ass for doing it.

You do want people to feel sorry for you.
That's why you continue whining and asking for attention.
It's something you take in basic psychology, or even common sense.
You know you're very good, and you know the team needs you.
So by complaining, and continually stating that if they don't want you, you'd drop out, you're really asking people to validate your ego, and try to console you, tell you everything is going to be alright.
Julia pointed out that she wasn't going to do that for you, either you play or you don't.

Taking a calculated risk based on a decision that's affected by luck is a tactical decision. In every war, battle, corporate strategy, people make moves that have a calculated risk to them. They just try and maximize their odds of success. But they're still tactical manouvers, and a valid part of this game.

So you like cheese but not farts? It's ok, we won't judge you. :)

Ok, you're not a girl.
I found out that mememe is. Although that was probably common knowledge anyway.

You could use all spellcasters, people that can't be blocked. But you're narrowminded vision can't see past the blocking issue.
You're so worried that your units won't block a single time, which is ridiculous in itself, that you've already decided you won't enjoy the game.
If you're worried about your units being blocked, you can use many units that can't be blocked.
It's an option, and a very valid one.
Use Pyros, a DSM, a Dragon, a muddy, LW, anything you want.
That would solve a problem for you.
But the more I read from you, the more I realize you'll just find new problems to make yourself unhappy.

You can admit it. You're jealous of S_K_O_F.

You didn't have to say anything about SKOF outposting you. You said your options were to say nothing, or to tell the truth. At the time, you didn't say it wasn't true.
You made excuses why he beat you.
Can't you even be losing a posting contest for a few minutes without having reasons why it happened?

I don't understand how people's pm boxes get full. Look how many I send, and I never have that problem.

Yes, that post was too long.
But it had to be to refute the crap you're trying to sell.
Your tactic when confronted with something that you said seems to be denying that you said it, or trying to say the context was different.
Don't lie, don't try and change the meaning of what you said.
Accept what you've said. Or better yet, grow up and stop acting like a little kid so we can talk about more important things.

I think you do care about the fact you lost. You're quite bitter about it.
And if a few blocks can stop a game from being fun, I feel sorry for you.
Thins happen, units block.
Get over it and keep playing.

Ok, anybody up for a group hug? :D

[Bottle]

Enough arguing. I'm fed up with talking to you, snork... it's even more annoying than blocking can be. And not because I think you're right, but because you're not actually listening to a word I'm saying, but simply trying to prove me wrong.

I know you're trying to be annoying, so you've scored a victory there. I don't find talking to you fun either, so I'm going to stop now. Don't bother replying to this post, unless you're talking to someone else about it, because I won't reply back.

[Goldberg]

Alright, I have some catching up to do in this thread. First thing I would like to address is this:

Originally posted by Jeffery
And that would be facts that even Puni hasn;t really denied.

What for? What need is there to ramble back and forth who did better? It is simply based on one's conception; who thinks who did better is based on the person's opinion, an opinion. In fact, I admire the man for not stooping down to Bottle's level. Had this been me in PC's place, I would certainly do the same and just act as the bigger man.

One more thing, the two quotes that you replied to are not all about PC. The first one was zarack24's, the second PC's.



Originally posted by Bottle One final point. This is to try and drill my original point in again. I do not care about the fact that I lost. AT ALL. I care about the fact that the games were not fun.

And who's leg do you think you are pulling here? Certainly not mine.

Deny it all you want. The fact is, you thought you were cheated out of two legitimate matches and felt the need to share the incidents with the rest of the forumers, while downright talking down two people that play this game any more than you do. You may have just scarred what friendship you have with these two, and the best thing now to do, in my opinion, is to just swallow that enormous ego of yours.

Did you honestly think that people wouldn't notice if you just suddenly decided to degrade others, while complaining about the odds of this game? I know what you're gonna say is that "I'm not complaining about that, I'm complaining about how the games were not fun", so please don't.

[Bottle]

Originally posted by Goldberg
And who's leg do you think you are pulling here? Certainly not mine.

Deny it all you want. The fact is, you thought you were cheated out of two legitimate matches and felt the need to share the incidents with the rest of the forumers, while downright talking down two people that play this game any more than you do.

I don't know why you seem to think the only point to this thread was *explaining away my losses*. I mean, if I hadn't posted, who'd have known that I lost a few games? If I REALLY was trying to make myself look unbeatable, I simply wouldn't have posted, would I? No, what I was posting about was the lack of fun in the games (this must be about the 5th time I've had to say this), not my excuses for losing and trying to look like the best player.

It seems your opinion is that I'm trying to make myself out to be some kind of TAO god. Well, that's your opinion. Like you said, an opinion is simply based on one's conception. It doesn't mean that opinion is necessarily right.