New Unit : Golem Ambusher : Discuss

[Shaman]

Not designed yet, but they know it is golem and it ambushes with distance attack.

News and Announcements

[ October 13th, 2004 ]


New Unit Teaser & Spoilers!

The new unit will be from the GOLEM family. This new Golem, named "The Golem Ambusher" will also have a ranged attack. The unit is still in the design stages so stay tuned for screenshots and more definitive plans for it's stats.

[T3km4n]

I was hoping for another ranged unit. Here is one thing, will it be like the arrow, and have LOS, or just magic?

[zzzaacckk]

we will know soon enough patience

[BlackSyphon]

maybe its an LOS unblockable *hopes*

du

[T3km4n]

Originally posted by BlackSyphon
maybe its an LOS unblockable *hopes*

du Does that even make sense?

EDIT: Oh, I get it, as in it can hit things inbetween but can't be stopped, like shooting a fireball or something. I hope it has the same LOS as the scout :/

[DeadFishGuy]

The logical thing to do, on Seed's part, is make a unit to counter bombs. We should be thinking about how this ranged attack would defeat someone trying to mage bomb.

There might also be a clue in the name: Ambush Golem.

This might help. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ambush)

[Jeffery]

Most likely it will just enhance the rushers game, and further put turtles out of business. Another ranged unit will be useful for picking a turtle to pieces.

[***Duo***]

Sadly but surley...

I will step up to the challenge of finding an anti-rush to this new menacing rush threat!


-Duo

[Walrus]

just last night i was thinking of a scout-like unit that would only have about 3-4 range, but be a bit beefier. and not a mage.

[Murzor]

but do they mean its a golem that anbushes enemies?

or is it something that ambushes golems? (probably with some kinda of negative synergetic effect)

[123 Die]

mayb he is invisable to the person ur playing against :rolleyes:

[Murzor]

lol, ranged and invisible, sounds balanced, lmao.

[Shaman]

One of the DF members has suggested it might be a 'trap layer'.
That its ranged attack is a hidden trap that causes an opponent to take damage on their move. Interesting thought.

[Walrus]

as long as the enemy didnt see where the trap was laid...

[cuckoo]

Maybe it really does "ambush" as in it jumps onto the field after the game has started.

[Shaman]

Originally posted by Walrus
as long as the enemy didnt see where the trap was laid...

Right, hence the phrase 'hidden trap'.

Shaman One of the DF members has suggested it might be a 'trap layer'.
That its ranged attack is a hidden trap that causes an opponent to take damage on their move. Interesting thought.

[King 6]

well guess only thing to do is wait,to see if it is a good blance to the game or not..I really hope that it does not affect us tutrtlers games.

[King Of Flame]

I would just like to 'spurt' something out there...

There will be another unit, thing one a squirrel looking unit. It has 32 HP and is poisoness. Call me a liar now but when it comes out i'll send a PM to whoever doubted it.

[Sensui]

Indeed i think it will enhance rushers, but something tells me it will be good even for turtles...Just a hunch

[Shaman]

I would eventually like to see 3 armies.
Beast, Humans, and Golems.
Even if it meant changing out the DSM

[JC86]

this golem ambusher....nothing can stop him, but only the blocking of ur own units, i lpayed today and lost to it, rather too strong so i hear it might be fix a lil bit

[T3km4n]

Originally posted by King Of Flame
I would just like to 'spurt' something out there...

There will be another unit, thing one a squirrel looking unit. It has 32 HP and is poisoness. Call me a liar now but when it comes out i'll send a PM to whoever doubted it. So you are that PYRO guy, eh? The one with the porno avatar? I hate your forums. GlaciOs is an idiot.

[Shaman]

Originally posted by JC86
this golem ambusher....nothing can stop him, but only the blocking of ur own units, i lpayed today and lost to it, rather too strong so i hear it might be fix a lil bit

Screen capture please with mouseover showing his stats.
thanks.

[JC86]

it didn't have any stats to the public as Furgon was testing it. It was actually too strong...

[Walrus]

Originally posted by Shaman
Right, hence the phrase 'hidden trap'.




but you didnt specify exactly how it would be hidden. that could have meant that the enemy sees when he lays the trap, but it then goes invisible to him.

[Wayfaerer]

from what i saw when i jumped him it seems like a 2 movement square pimp, 3 turn recovery and a blockable 20 dmg (6 square range i think). i don't think its too strong right now since it moves really slowly and has the juggernaut wait time but maybe it'll get toned down abit who knows

kinda like a catapault, cant wait to use it :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/Wayfaerer/ambusher.jpg

i think stones and frosts over here will become extinct after the release tho ;p

[Serge]

Hmm, the Furgon looked a lot like Abyaly's Mason unti, or whatever it was called, the one that built walls. Now this reminds me of the many High-powered, low-ranged, scouts that have been seen in this forum. I think Seed's been reading...

[Wayfaerer]

also im pretty sure the range for it would look like a donut, it cant attack the guys close to it, only in 4-6 or 3-6 squares away, or something like that

[zzzaacckk]

i read the thingy about it on legends forums and if that is true its a worse scout with 20 more hp 2 more attack but 0 blocking and armour and if if cant attack close range id rathere a br. i hope it has something else 2 it and a new los ???? wat is this.....

[Wayfaerer]

it has NO LoS, that's what makes it worthwhile to use i guess, u can hit anything from 6 squares away, it would be good for front line cleric killing

[cs_zero]

so it just lobbs its stone, over anything in its way?
hmmm.......

[bludhoundz]

Its too slow to be on the front line, with the stats that I hear of so far, it has a high recov, no armor and no blocking like all golems and doesn't move fast. It'd be good in a turtle for lobbing at frosties and stonies. Awesome against the furgon and with the furgon. I'm guessing that the barrier ward goes back into style.

[emerald slasher]

yes that will prolly be true about the barrier...this also anhances the muds uake even more with killing the cleric......lobstone,mudquake,kills cleric, barrier

[Wayfaerer]

what i meant by front liner is what most people will probably use it for, here's a bad example but whatever (Trophy = Ambusher)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/Wayfaerer/AmbushExample.jpg

u shoot the cleric, dont move, then barrier+heal or heal+heal or whatever for 2 turns, then shoot again and retreat, or if the cleric moves, it will be easily snipable w/ a scout or mud.

[cuckoo]

So basically, the Ambusher and Mud are put on the front line. The Ambusher shoots the cleric and the Mud mudquakes the cleric killing him. There's practically no defense. Sounds fair to me.

[bludhoundz]

They'll probably weaken it, its overpowered.

[Murzor]

they have its stats, at least some of them, on legends now, seems like this is the final blow to make greys completely and totally absolete to golds, and i dont think any grey will be able to take on a gold turtle now, just my opinion though.

[WlfBane]

GOLEM AMBUSHER
Golem Ambushers emerge from the face of the great mountainous regions, unleashing an onslaught of merciless boulders that will crush any foes who dare approach the mighty Golem stronghold.

STATISTICS
Hit Points : 60
Movement Range : 2
Power: 20
Attack Pattern : Hurls a boulder at a single target within 6 tiles and at least 5 tiles away.

TACTICS
Golem Ambushers are not limited by LOS, allowing them to throw boulders over obstacles and hit enemy units at the back.

Golem Ambushers have no close range combat ability, so try not to place them separated from the rest of your units.

My Opinion
I faced this off a few times, in a turtle, its near impossible without some luck or bad work by your enemy for a grey to beat a Gold turtle with Scouts and Ambusher included, especially with armour. All I can say is ouch.

In a rush its also effective, although even still the mud golem ambusher tactic doesn't fully work. It just needs a bit of thinking and pre planning at the direst point.

Its got a nice attac, its something different, it can still be blocked though but over here with 2 scouts... well... its fair in Legends but i'll be damne dif its going to be nice here. Too much pain. I sense limits coming over here prehaps!

[Wayfaerer]

i think a bward is gonna get popular w/ the golds again :cool:

[JC86]

Originally posted by Wayfaerer
i think a bward is gonna get popular w/ the golds again :cool:


very..

[emerald slasher]

i think im going to be using my b ward alot more :)

[Walrus]

Originally posted by Serge
Hmm, the Furgon looked a lot like Abyaly's Mason unti, or whatever it was called, the one that built walls. Now this reminds me of the many High-powered, low-ranged, scouts that have been seen in this forum. I think Seed's been reading...



if seed could make a unit which had no similarities to any unit posted on this forum, i would probably travel to canada to congratulate him personally. ie i dont think he has been reading, its simply coincedence.


me, you, dfg and a few others alone have probably covered all the possible ground there is for new units serge.

[Asmodeus]

The golem ambusher isn't that great... Yuo guys might like it with your two clerics stoned and such.... I could spoil it but I don't think most of you want to knwo what it does... yet. Unless...














SPOILERS!!!!! (DO NOT CLICK IF YE WISH NOT TO KNOW!!!) (http://digisonline.com/tactics/golem/golemambusher.html)

[DeathWish]

lil late..... it was already posted....

[Asmodeus]

Umm..... no?
Where?

[WlfBane]

Originally posted by WlfBane
GOLEM AMBUSHER
Golem Ambushers emerge from the face of the great mountainous regions, unleashing an onslaught of merciless boulders that will crush any foes who dare approach the mighty Golem stronghold.

STATISTICS
Hit Points : 60
Movement Range : 2
Power: 20
Attack Pattern : Hurls a boulder at a single target within 6 tiles and at least 5 tiles away.

TACTICS
Golem Ambushers are not limited by LOS, allowing them to throw boulders over obstacles and hit enemy units at the back.

Golem Ambushers have no close range combat ability, so try not to place them separated from the rest of your units.

My Opinion
I faced this off a few times, in a turtle, its near impossible without some luck or bad work by your enemy for a grey to beat a Gold turtle with Scouts and Ambusher included, especially with armour. All I can say is ouch.

In a rush its also effective, although even still the mud golem ambusher tactic doesn't fully work. It just needs a bit of thinking and pre planning at the direst point.

Its got a nice attac, its something different, it can still be blocked though but over here with 2 scouts... well... its fair in Legends but i'll be damne dif its going to be nice here. Too much pain. I sense limits coming over here prehaps!

Reposted

[FryLock]

I've seen it in action on Legends...I am not a huge fan. In Legends, it is tres useful, because it gives them another ranged thingy. Here, with 2 scouts already, I don't see him as being THAT useful. Perhaps if he's on the front lines for a cleric kill...but then in any rush, you'll need to have him, AND a barrier ward.

The other problem I have with him is that he can be blocked. Call me crazy, but I don't see how the scout's bow or the pyro's staff can take on a boulder...in a turtle, he could be useful for pelting furgons, frostys and stonys...but in a rush, he's likely to run into close combat and not have anywhere to go.

I guess we'll have to wait until it shows up over here. If there's some way to "trigger" accounts so you can have either 2 scouts OR 1 scout + ambusher that might make it a little more balanced...who knows...

[Wayfaerer]

i was really enjoying dual frosties, now they just suck >:C
and i can see why furgon is a grey drop now :cool:

[Twelve]

I'll talk much more about this when the unit actually comes to these servers.

12

[Jeffery]

Originally posted by Wayfaerer
i was really enjoying dual frosties, now they just suck >:C
and i can see why furgon is a grey drop now :cool:

Furgies will not be dropped here, so discussing it is useless for here.

[Shaman]

Anyone going to go gold just to get this unit?

[actgfin1234]

Originally posted by Shaman
Anyone going to go gold just to get this unit?


HAHAHA...

Oh, you were serious?

[DeadFishGuy]

Originally posted by Shaman
Anyone going to go gold just to get this unit?

It's almost inevitable that someone will.

[*The Nothing*]

More than one person i'm sure

[actgfin1234]

I usually see new greys asking about dragons...just because of the strange attraction with noobies to dragons *cough*army*cough* anyway, I can't see any greys saying MAN! I want that ambusher thingy! Right now I just don't see it as a unit that I will use in my form...

[Shaman]

Originally posted by actgfin1234
HAHAHA...

Oh, you were serious?

I should have been more clear.

Anyone who was previously gold and now just enjoys being grey going to re-go gold just to get this one unit extra?

And I was asking people responding to the thread, not a hypothetical 'anyone', since assuredly someone would as people have pointed out.

[T3km4n]

WlfBane, your signature animation is gross. You better get it out of there.

[Shaman]

Originally posted by T3km4n
WlfBane, your signature animation is gross. You better get it out of there.

100k sig banner?
People need to be more considerate of dial-up.