Spam Run

[Sir Vival]

Alright, as all of you are aware of I have been pulling every possible forum game out there out of my ass to satisfy the spam crave that Kalamady and myself have been having. Or is it a spam crave? Kalamady and myself will not stop the 'fun' until the Three Word Story is closed. It's spam is beyond anything we will ever be able to create. Anything we do create is just a fragment of the amount of the pointlessness of that thread. Until that thread is closed or deleted, Kalamady and myself will continue having fun. I'm aware some of you love that thread, seeing as you think having a high post count means you aren't a n00b anymore. Well I've got a news flash for you, bull shit.
Now, if you want the Three Word Story thread to be closed, you can join in to. I know there are very few of you out there who have the balls to speak up against something as large as Bottle and the Three Word Story, but oh well. For those of you who want the Three Word Story closed but don't want to spam, merely sign your name in this thread. For those of you who are for the Three Word Story thread, just don't say anything as it will merely become pages among pages of arguing, ending up sending this thread off-topic.
Thankyou.

Sir "Eduardo" Vival
the uncanadian.

[Jeffery]

I am for the TWS for one simple point. Having ONE thread of nspam that you can quickly flick past is a helluva lot better than a page of spam threads.
Oh gee! I posted in your precious thread! What ever will you do?

[Office_Shredder]

Let's have countless pages of argument for the sheer purpose of raising our post counts! WHOOOOOO! GO POST COUNT!

I'm Office_Shredder, and I support this message

[Rabi en Rose]

Son of Spam, your mission is to go out and kill. KILL!


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[Sir Vival]

I am for the TWS for one simple point. Having ONE thread of nspam that you can quickly flick past is a helluva lot better than a page of spam threads.
Oh gee! I posted in your precious thread! What ever will you do?
I'll rape you. First you told Duffman to close Ach, mine, and Kalamady's "I Hate Jeffery so lets make a Mountain of Him thread" and now you post here. I despise you.

[Rabi en Rose]

DRAMABOMB!

[Office_Shredder]

I protest your statement vival, you elitist flip flopping communist who's weak on terror!

[Rabi en Rose]

I protest your statement vival, you elitist flip flopping communist who's weak on terror!It's so unamerican, we should arrest him for treason. How DARE he exercise the first amendment!!

[Sir Vival]

I protest your statement vival, you elitist flip flopping communist who's weak on terror!
No seriously, that's why we made the thread. ^_^ If you notice we mock him in every spam thread I've made. The details baby, the details.

[Jeffery]

I'll rape you. First you told Duffman to close Ach, mine, and Kalamady's "I Hate Jeffery so lets make a Mountain of Him thread" and now you post here. I despise you.
Welcome to my world!

[Office_Shredder]

No seriously, that's why we made the thread. ^_^ If you notice we mock him in every spam thread I've made. The details baby, the details.

Stop being such a neo-conservative thickheaded chicken hawk voodoo economist!

[DeadFishGuy]

Vival, if you want to prevent spam like from the TWS then it's not the best idea to make more spam. It's like trying to get out of a hole by digging it deeper.

If you'd just made this thread, explaining your reasons for wanting the TWS locked then we might have had a reason to take you seriously.

I second Jeffery's point about keeping the spam to the TWS and nowhere else. Everyone wants to spam every once in a while, so we might as well have a common place to do so, rather than having a new thread created each time.

[Rabi en Rose]

TWS does not "contain" spam. That's not a valid reason to keep it open or closed. Do you really think people post less pointless crap than they would because that thread exists?

[Jeffery]

Not to mention Vival has been making retarded threads for just about forever. Claiming it has a purpose now is like Bush saying a US soldier being killed in Iraq is a good reason to invade Iraq.

[Jeffery]

TWS does not "contain" spam. That's not a valid reason to keep it open or closed. Do you really think people post less pointless crap than they would because that thread exists?
They would if spam threads were closed and deleted as they appeared.

[Sir Vival]

Not to mention Vival has been making retarded threads for just about forever. Claiming it has a purpose now is like Bush saying a US soldier being killed in Iraq is a good reason to invade Iraq.
Coming from the man who made a poll about pointlessness of polls. But you guys are right, I never really thought of it that way. I take this back, TWS does deserve to stay opened.

[Asmodeus]

Hmm...Intresting.

[DeadFishGuy]

I take this back, TWS does deserve to stay opened.

Well, that's this discussion over. Might as well do something with the rest of this thread.

Anyone for some highly ironic spamming?

[Kalamady]

One of my favorite things about these forums when I first got here, or atleast I thought, was the total lack of spam. It seemed to me that people didn't care about their post counts and that the player was judged by their skill and insightful posts rather then their post counts. Then I saw things like O_P, Bottle, and APZ recieving so much praise for their 5000+ posts and I was disgusted. What was even for tasteless was that most of these people got a fifth of their posts from that dreaded TWS. I'm here to put the TWS and the post count theory to rest. You guys wanna spam? We're going to show you how it's done and we won't stop until the TWS has been closed. Yesterday I had 313 posts. I plan to do the same today and maybe even double it. And if the TWS is not closed within a month 2 months I promise you all I will be the #1 poster with only having 86 posts in that dreaded thing. It's simple, to stop the spam, all you must do is stop the spam. Close the TWS. I promise you people like Bottle and APZ won't see another thousand posts for a long time.




-Kalamady

[Asmodeus]

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[Kalamady]

Water balloon thread.. *runs to faucet, fils up red ballon and hurls it over to kala drenching his shirt and hair and/or lack of hair. And showing off his manly figure.* =)
*Runs behind DFG and pegs him in the back*
*Hurls baloons at the people in the hug thread*
We're gunna keep this thread spam free....asshole.

[Asmodeus]

Well, that's this discussion over. Might as well do something with the rest of this thread.

Anyone for some highly ironic spamming?



One of my favorite things about these forums when I first got here, or atleast I thought, was the total lack of spam. It seemed to me that people didn't care about their post counts and that the player was judged by their skill and insightful posts rather then their post counts. Then I saw things like O_P, Bottle, and APZ recieving so much praise for their 5000+ posts and I was disgusted. What was even for tasteless was that most of these people got a fifth of their posts from that dreaded TWS. I'm here to put the TWS and the post count theory to rest. You guys wanna spam? We're going to show you how it's done and we won't stop until the TWS has been closed. Yesterday I had 313 posts. I plan to do the same today and maybe even double it. And if the TWS is not closed within a month 2 months I promise you all I will be the #1 poster with only having 86 posts in that dreaded thing. It's simple, to stop the spam, all you must do is stop the spam. Close the TWS. I promise you people like Bottle and APZ won't see another thousand posts for a long time.




-Kalamady
And your doubling your 313 post count how?

[Kalamady]

I'm not spamming on this thread am I? You're the only one that is being an idiot here. I don't know if you're trying to be funny or cool but you're neither so just shut the hell up. Go spam on a thread that we made for spamming.

[Asmodeus]

Which are.. closed.. Riiight.
Funny or cool? No, actually I could care less what you think.

[Kalamady]

You know what, you are an idiot. I'm done arguing with you. Retard.




As for burnings little announcement it means nothing. As soon as Vival gets back we'll deal with it accordingly.

[theburning]

The spamming needs to stop and will.

After a final warning anyone spamming in the ways I mentioned in my announcement will be banned for 7 days.

[Kalamady]

7 days!?!?!?!OMFG THATS A LOT!!!








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[theburning]

You know what, you are an idiot. I'm done arguing with you. Retard.




As for burnings little announcement it means nothing. As soon as Vival gets back we'll deal with it accordingly.

Actually you're wrong.
If you think you have some sort of powers over these forums you're incorrect.
I'm going home, if this hasn't stopped by the time I get there you'll be banned.

[Kalamady]

Well then you might as well ban me right now.

[Asmodeus]

And you can't deal with it without Vival, eh?
Be done arguing, not that we ever were. I simply stated 'I couldn't care less about what you think', not really an argument unless you consider me stating a fact an argument.

[Kalamady]

Don't care about what I think...wow...hurts....

You obviously care about what someone thinks considering you made a thread about leaving because everyone hates you...

But as I said, i'm done arguing.

[theburning]

Well then you might as well ban me right now.

I'll ban you in 20 minutes.

As for the 7 days thing, that's just for starters.
If it doesn't stop after that your IP will be banned as well.
If you guys honestly think your actions here are making an difference, you're entirely misinformed.

[Kalamady]

Ever heard of a proxy? Not to mention i'm connected through wireless so I can just connect to someone else and not be banned anymore. Do your little 7 days bull.

[Fabolous]

Yikes **Runs Away**

[theburning]

Ever heard of a proxy? Not to mention i'm connected through wireless so I can just connect to someone else and not be banned anymore. Do your little 7 days bull.

Actually, it isn't.
I'll get the forums set to how they were before.
You'll need to be approved before posting.

I thought the maturity level of the people on these forums was above that feature, but apparently I was incorrect.

[Kalamady]

Yeah you were. If we have crap like the TWS floating around where there first two posts are

"So this guy"
"Ate a shoe"
We might need to go back to the old way of doing things.

[Asmodeus]

So this guy ate a shoe...Yipe!. and I'm leaving...

[Hugh Junit]

Who cares who posts in the TWS? Who cares how high someone's post count is? Who cares if someone is too boring to post anything of substance? Who cares if someone likes to create posts like "So this guy" or "Ate a shoe"? Who cares if someone is a good poster but likes to spam, now and then. Who cares if a thread, for people who like to post things like that, exists?
I don't post in TWS but it sure as hell doesn't bother me that it's there. Why should it bother anyone? These are video game forums.
Video game forums!!

[GoOgLe]

im with vival and LK!

[Asmodeus]

I concur.

[GoOgLe]

I concur.
with me?

[Kalamady]

I don't think over 1000 posts in the TWS is "now and then." It's more like "double post here and post somewhere else."

Also, I raise the question that if you simply don't care, as you and burning have put it, what is the difference between closing it and leaving it open? Might as well close it since it's a direct way to spam and you have other people spamming because of it.

Also, I hate when people say "its just a game." If it is "just a game" then leave it. You can't. We see people trying to leave everyday but they can't.Because it is more then "just a game" it's a community that we are all a big part of and can't stand to leave,

[theburning]

Because it keeps the spammers in one thread.

[Jeffery]

Then don't be stupid enough to be booted out again Kal. You've proven time and again your contempt for the community, including in all you crappy threats of spamming and circumventing a ban.
This time I doubt Billd will be stupid enough to forgive your stupidity.

[Kalamady]

Does it? It seems to me that as of late there have been many threads with spam. Probably about 5-7 and there are more to come. Is the TWS really accomplishing anything but getting post counts up?

[GoOgLe]

Does it? It seems to me that as of late there have been many threads with spam. Probably about 5-7 and there are more to come. Is the TWS really accomplishing anything but getting post counts up?
no it doesnt

[Jeffery]

Is being an ass and spamming with other threads gonna change that???

no it doesnt

[GoOgLe]

maybe we should go in tws and flame!

[Kalamady]

I'll do what I can.

[GoOgLe]

why cant i post a event in the calender?

[Hugh Junit]

what is the difference between closing it and leaving it open? Might as well close it since it's a direct way to spam and you have other people spamming because of it.

Also, I hate when people say "its just a game." If it is "just a game" then leave it. You can't. We see people trying to leave everyday but they can't.Because it is more then "just a game" it's a community that we are all a big part of and can't stand to leave,


I'm not sure what any of this means, Kal. The difference, between closing TWS and leaving it open, is simple.
Some people like it. Actually, judging from the thousands of replies, many people like it. If you don't like it, do what I do..........DON'T POST THERE.
They shouldn't have to close it just because a few people can't stand it's existence.
And what the hell does it being "just a game" have to do with anyone leaving? I'm a huge fan of TAO. I love the game and I think these forums are great. When I said that these were "video game forums" I meant that we all need to be reminded of what TAO is. TAO is a game and games are played for fun. These forums are a place, for people who play games and have fun, to talk about .....playing games......or having fun........or whatever the hell else they want to talk about.
Hey, if I really don't like what someone says, I'll flame them. If someone really gets out of line, mods usually pop them. But you'll never see me asking for a popular thread( like TWS ) to be deleted just because I don't like it.

[Kalamady]

I'm not sure what any of this means, Kal. The difference, between closing TWS and leaving it open is simple.
Some people like it. Actually, judging from the thousands of replies, many people like it. If you don't like it, do what I do..........DON'T POST THERE.
They shouldn't have to close it just because a few people can't stand it's existence.
And what the hell does it being "just a game" have to do with anyone leaving? I'm a huge fan of TAO. I love the game and I think these forums are great. When I said that these were "video game forums" I meant that we all need to be reminded of what TAO is. TAO is a game and games are played for fun. These forums are a place, for people who play games and have fun, to talk about .....playing games......or having fun........or whatever the hell else they want to talk about.
Hey, if I really don't like what someone says, I'll flame them. If someone really gets out of line, mods usually pop them. But you'll never see me asking for a popular thread( like TWS ) to be deleted just because I don't like it.


People like it because it is an easy way to get their post count up. When you say thousands of replies are you talking about just from Bottle or the whole actual thread? Vival and I think nobody should be able to post there for a reason. We're not just doing this to have something to do. Burning talks frequently about threads with substance...that thread has absolutely no substance. There's not topic or purpose to the thread. Getting rid of it would just be getting rid of spam...wow...big loss.

She also says that it keeps all the spammers in one thread...why have any tolerance for spammers? If you close that thread and people want to leave because they can't spam anymore, let them leave. You, this community, this game obviously means nothing to them if they will leave just because they can't up their post counts as effeciently. Bottle and APZ both have more posts in that one thread then every post coming out of every spam thread that Vival and I have participated in. It's crazy and we shouldn't stand for it.

As for the just a game thing, what i'm saying is this is not "just a game" to anyone. We have all formed relationships here that have made it more then "just a game." I hear about members of this community talking on the phone, and even going to meet each other. There is no such thing as "just a game" that does things like that. We're all friends here and we see this as much more then a game.

The last part. Is having 1/5 of your posts in one thread not getting out of line? Not to mention it's a thread where you don't even have to say 4 words. It's acrap thread that belittles this community. "So this guy" "ate a shoe" The first 2 posts. How is that in any way needed? It's not unless you care that much about your post count.

In conclusion, we as a community have put too much emphasis on a persons post count. Now it is all people care about. Jeffery even asked to get his posts reset so that people paid more attention to his post rather then post count. That's sad. We are so interested in post count that we make a thread for the sole purpose of getting it up.Well, Vival and I are here to show spammers what spam really is.Vival had like 251 posts yesterday and I had 313. It will continue no matter what the consequences are. Until that thread is closed expect much more of this.


We're puttin the spammers in check baby!

[Leigh]

Is the TWS really accomplishing anything but getting post counts up?

LK... It's not accomplishing anything, but that's the entire point! It's mindless fun for some of us.

Even I like to pop in there once in a while and throw something in... JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT! I've had some good early morning laughs seeing how someone finished a sentence I had started.

As far as POST COUNTS... I could give 2 shi*s. :cool:

[Kalamady]

You could give 2 shits, but Bottle's goal was to become the #1 poster in that thread. It's mindless fun for some but for others it's all about post count. I'm not saying everyone is about the post count, but most are. End it.

[Hugh Junit]

I gotta hand it to ya, Kal, you're serious. I'm just glad I don't feel that passionately about these forums. I still look at them as fun, primarily, and I think this kind of thing takes the fun out of them.
However, I can see you're point, I wish you luck on your protest.
Take The Power Back!!!

* cranks up Rage Against The Machine on boom box *

[Warcow]

I think it's sad what your doing Kalamady, I mean, it's really pathetic. Some people really enjoy the TWS, and if you don't care about post counts, why should you care if someone else wants theirs to be high. Your being a complete hypocrite and a jackass. Also one of you two goons negatived repped me for telling you how many posts you'd had, calling me a stupid spammer, and then say have the balls to sign your name to the negative reps? Come on Kalamady, I thought you had more character than that. Obviously I was wrong.

[Kalamady]

I think it's sad what your doing Kalamady, I mean, it's really pathetic. Some people really enjoy the TWS, and if you don't care about post counts, why should you care if someone else wants theirs to be high. Your being a complete hypocrite and a jackass. Also one of you two goons negatived repped me for telling you how many posts you'd had, calling me a stupid spammer, and then say have the balls to sign your name to the negative reps? Come on Kalamady, I thought you had more character than that. Obviously I was wrong.


Why would someone want theirs to be high? I'm here to stop the thought that having a high post count makes you popular. Some people actually do enjoy the TWS, I respect that. But you cannot deny that most people are just there to get their post counts up.

As for the negative rep, I don't give out negative rep unless someone really deserves it. It was Vival because he told me this morning about someone telling us how many posts we had. I didn't actually see the post you made Warcow.

As for character, someone who is worried about people getting more respect because of their post count rather than their posts shows character. Someone who is worried about being the #1 posted in the TWS and being the #1 poster overall shows lack of character. Which would you rather be?

[Jeffery]

I agree with the post count comments. And I know, me having a high one seems horrible. But I have never posted a single post just to add 1 point to the number. If I had my choice, I would rather have them set to 0 again. I post for far different reasons.

But far more people post in TWS to have fun than to get post counts.

[Asmodeus]

Tell me Kal, how hard is to be serious when you got that guy down on your banner gawking at everyone with eyes that almost pop out of his face.

[Kalamady]

Jeffery, you are the one exception for it. None of your posts haven't had some kind of substance.


Although I disagree with you about the TWS. I think more people are in it for the post count then for the fun. I admit, there are some for the fun, but most or for the count.


EDIT: Asmo, I find my banner funny. :)

[Asmodeus]

Me too. :) I don't know that guys name but he's funny as hell in movies.

[Kalamady]

Chris Rock.

[Warcow]

I'm not saying it's important to me at all, my one year here and under 900 posts should prove that. But seriously, why would you care about that. Peoples high post counts don't make them popular. The players themselves make themselves popular. Bottle is respected because he is an awesome player. Jeffery is respected because 95% of his posts are helpful, and informative. APZ is popular because he brings a good sense of humour to these forums, and not because he has a high post count. I agree that having a high post count is a stupid goal, as is being the #1 poster in a certain thread, but if thats what people consider fun, why not let them. They are in no way ruining anyone elses fun, they are just enjoying themselves in a single thread, where as your random stupidity has spanned probably 20 or 30 threads now.

PS Thanks for being such a petty coward Vival, shows your true character very well. :rolleyes:

[Asmodeus]

Lk I'm not trying to be rude anymore, I was being childish earlier in this thread and I apoligize.
What is odd to me is your reasoning.
How would spamming more want to make the mods close TWS? So many people enjoy that thread and spamming more doesn't seem like a convinving argument to give the mods a reaosn to close it. I have a grand total of 6 posts in TWS. Just to get a laugh once in a while, I just don't understand your reasoning behind spamming to close a spamming thread.
Please explain.
- Asmo

[Jeffery]

45%........ Less in the last 4 months.

[Asmodeus]

Chris Rock.
That's the guy. He's a hardass. :)

[Asmodeus]

with me?
As for you, No. I was talking to Hugh.
*slowly reaches for hugh's beer*
Edit: Whoops, double post..

[Kalamady]

I'm not saying it's important to me at all, my one year here and under 900 posts should prove that. By seriously, why would you care about that. Peoples high post counts don't make them popular. The players themselves make themselves popular. Bottle is respected because he is an awesome player. Jeffery is respected because 95% of his posts are helpful, and informative. APZ is popular because he brings a good sense of humour to these forums, and not because he has a high post count. I agree that having a high post count is a stupid goal, as is being the #1 poster in a certain thread, but if thats what people consider fun, why not let them. They are in no way ruining anyone elses fun, they are just enjoying themselves in a single thread, where as your random stupidity has spanned probably 20 or 30 threads now.

PS Thanks for being such a petty coward Vival, shows your true character very well. :rolleyes:

I beg to differ. Peoples high post counts make the verypopular. Take Omega Paladin, complete post whore. He rarely has anything of importance to say yet he is still respected as the first ever post whore. Bottle is definately an awesome player, but he is also a post whore. His post count has gotten him respect and you can't deny that. APZ post count has also gotten him a large amount of respect.

All we care about is post count. Heck, we made a thread one time to see who could get to I think 6000 first. Clocing the TWS is a step to ending this nonsense.

Random stupidity? Is it anymore random and stupid then ever post in the TWS? No. And it hasn't been 20-30. I'd be suprised if it was over 10. In the end, the TWS has more random stupidity that me or Vival could ever create.

When it all comes down to it, there is no such argument that would say that the TWS is needed in any way. Get rid of it.

[Kalamady]

Lk I'm not trying to be rude anymore, I was being childish earlier in this thread and I apoligize.
What is odd to me is your reasoning.
How would spamming more want to make the mods close TWS? So many people enjoy that thread and spamming more doesn't seem like a convinving argument to give the mods a reaosn to close it. I have a grand total of 6 posts in TWS. Just to get a laugh once in a while, I just don't understand your reasoning behind spamming to close a spamming thread.
Please explain.
- Asmo
Our spam was more of showing spammers how it is done then trying to get the TWS closed. This thread is where we have decided to actually speak out against it. The spamming was the pre show. This thread is the warning. Our next spamming session is the result of not paying the warning any attention. And here is something to dwell on, if we have to go into a next session of spamming, it won't be pretty.

[theburning]

And here is something to dwell on, if we have to go into a next session of spamming, it won't be pretty.

You're right.
It will just end.

I'm fully prepared to dedicate my time to stopping it.

[Warcow]

Kalamady, you can create more spam that the TWS and already have. Theirs is a controlled spam, yours is not. O_P wasn't popular because of his high post count, he was popular because of his hilarious posts, and creative ideas. If foundation spammed his way to 7000 posts would he be popular? Hell no. Your using the approach that two wrongs make a right, which is just incredibly wrong. The high post counts, normally just remind us of the respect people deserve, because they have an outstanding number of posts people enjoy.

[Kalamady]

And i'm fully prepared to dedicate my time to stopping the TWS. It just comes down to who has more time. I'm in High School and rarely do or care about my work.

[theburning]

And i'm fully prepared to dedicate my time to stopping the TWS. It just comes down to who has more time. I'm in High School and rarely do or care about my work.

I've warned you and you clearly don't care.
Day one of 7 day ban starts right this second.

Make more user accounts and I'll get the forums set to new users can't post without being approved.

[Jeffery]

As would be Duffy. And I am sure Aro is itching for a year anniversary lock and delete spree.

[theburning]

I've banned him as of now.

If he continues he can be responsible for new members having to wait for Bills to approve them before they can post.

[Asmodeus]

He'll be back somehow they all come back.

[theburning]

He'll be back somehow they all come back.

Actually, if that feature is set no one will be able to come back without Bills approving them first.

Do you really think approving members on the forums is going to be top priority for Bills?

[Asmodeus]

Lol. Probably not! right but I know 3 forum accounts that aren't being used that have extremly easy passwords. I dunno.

[theburning]

Lol. Probably not! right but I know 3 forum accounts that aren't being used that have extremly easy passwords. I dunno.

I can do an IP search and ban all usernames with that IP.

[T3km4n]

Who cares who posts in the TWS? Who cares how high someone's post count is? Who cares if someone is too boring to post anything of substance? Who cares if someone likes to create posts like "So this guy" or "Ate a shoe"? Who cares if someone is a good poster but likes to spam, now and then. Who cares if a thread, for people who like to post things like that, exists?
I don't post in TWS but it sure as hell doesn't bother me that it's there. Why should it bother anyone? These are video game forums.
Video game forums!!
I am T3km4n, and I approve this message.

[Sir Vival]

You're right.
It will just end.

I'm fully prepared to dedicate my time to stopping it.
Fair enough.

[Bottle]

It's a pity that Kalamady is banned again, because I have the following to say to him. Apologies in advance for the long post.

One of my favorite things about these forums when I first got here, or atleast I thought, was the total lack of spam... Then I saw things like O_P, Bottle, and APZ recieving so much praise for their 5000+ posts and I was disgusted... I promise you people like Bottle and APZ won't see another thousand posts for a long time.
I agree. The lack of spam when I first started was refreshing. But when you say that the respect comes from the post count, you couldn't be more wrong, as has already been said. APZ and OP are possibly the funniest posters here, and you said it yourself that my respect comes from my gameplay. In fact, many people who otherwise respect me have said the thing they like about me the least is my post-whore character.

And I promise you, if the TWS is closed, we'll start another one. If that's closed, we'll start another. Because we have fun on it, and it being forbidden will just make it more fun. And another thing... I do have 1500-odd posts there, but where did my other 5,500 come from? Would the loss of the TWS result in me stopping posting? I think not.

Ever heard of a proxy? Not to mention i'm connected through wireless so I can just connect to someone else and not be banned anymore. Do your little 7 days bull.
This shows how much you care for the community; you give people who are banned support for going against that ban. Some respect you're showing to the pillars of the community.

Yeah you were. If we have crap like the TWS floating around where there first two posts are "So this guy" "Ate a shoe" We might need to go back to the old way of doing things.
What was the old way of doing things? And how will closing the TWS bring back the good old days? It won't bring the old posters back, that's for sure. And that's what's killing the community, not the TWS.

Who cares who posts in the TWS? Who cares how high someone's post count is? Who cares if someone is too boring to post anything of substance? Who cares if someone likes to create posts like "So this guy" or "Ate a shoe"? Who cares if someone is a good poster but likes to spam, now and then. Who cares if a thread, for people who like to post things like that, exists? I don't post in TWS but it sure as hell doesn't bother me that it's there. Why should it bother anyone? These are video game forums. Video game forums!!
Word.

It seems to me that as of late there have been many threads with spam. Probably about 5-7 and there are more to come. Is the TWS really accomplishing anything but getting post counts up?
Yes, and most of those 5-7 are as a result of your childish behaviour.

The TWS is indeed achieving something other than getting post counts up. It's giving the sensible people who post there a lot of fun.

People like it because it is an easy way to get their post count up.
No, they like it because it's fun.

The last part. Is having 1/5 of your posts in one thread not getting out of line? Not to mention it's a thread where you don't even have to say 4 words. It's acrap thread that belittles this community.
Why not have 1/5th of your posts in a thread that you like? Probably around 1/10th of thrdflrmshr's posts are in RD. Shuld that be closed?

You could give 2 shits, but Bottle's goal was to become the #1 poster in that thread.
Some people take things here FAR too seriously. Maybe I should stop making joke posts...

Some people actually do enjoy the TWS, I respect that.
And you want to take away those peoples' fun. I don't respect that one bit.

When it all comes down to it, there is no such argument that would say that the TWS is needed in any way. Get rid of it.
Is any thread really needed? Should we close every thread?

Here's my final point.

In conclusion, we as a community have put too much emphasis on a persons post count. Now it is all people care about.

We have, indeed, put too much emphasis on post count. But it is NOT all that people care about. I would be a bit annoyed if my post count was reset, but I wouldn't yell and scream about it. I would just get on and post again, because what I enjoy about this forum is posting. Especially on fun threads, such as the TWS. In fact, any mod who wants to reset my post count, go ahead. And let Kalamady back in. His main argument is that I am spamming on there to get my post count up, so if I have no post count and I still post there, that shoots his theory down immediately, with no need to argue.

In summary:

Kalamady, you are being childish and petty. Vival, I long ago lost all my respect for you. Well, fine, spam all you like. You won't achieve your aim, you'll get banned, and the community will be lessened by the spam you produce. What a great idea.

[T3km4n]

Would the loss of the TWS result in me stopping posting? I think not.
I am not on Kalamady's side, but last time when the TWS was closed you kept threatening to leave.

Word.

Hugh makes a different point than you. Hugh gets no fun out of the thread, and he doesn't post in it, like me.
The only way Hugh would see that thread is as a nuisance, but a tiny one at that.

I am not looking for the TWS to be closed or deleted, I am simply pointing things out.

[Bottle]

If it was closed as a result of this little debacle, I certainly wouldn't leave. You can't let people think Kalamady and Vival are the ultimate power on the forum simply by spamming. I would fight to save the forum, because I like it. Even though it has become tainted with n00bs recently.

Hugh does make a different point from me. But I was agreeing with his post, not forcing him to agree with mine. He puts the side of the unbiased observer into it. Notice how everyone other than Vival, Kalamady and GoOgLe has been against this little campaign? Even people who don't like the TWS are currently arguing for it.

[abyaly]

If you dig back…to the "old days" the whole reason for you posting was to be the #1 poster. You can't sit there and say you have no desire to be that person. When you became the #1 poster you made a thread about it. I'm not saying 100% of your respect comes from your post count, I'm saying atleast 40% does. In my eyes, that is wrong.

Making more Three Word Stories? Go ahead. But if me speaking out against something warrants banning, I'm sure you creating more and more threads that keep getting deleted warrants the same thing. Then what are you gunna do? Hmmm….proxy? Nope, you care too much about the community to do that. You will either have to make a new name…or simply go away…

The "old ways of doing things" was referring to when DR had the thing up where you had to be activated to post. This makes your statement on that make no sense.

You do realize that you and Hugh are saying two completely different things? Hugh doesn't like the TWS either. He ignores it. You're saying the TWS is a great way to have fun.

We both know people like it so they can get their pc up Mr."im gunne be the #1 poster on the forums and the TWS."

There is a BIG difference between Random Discussion and TWS. Random Discussion: Always has something to talk about. Never simply spam. Wasn't made to get post counts up. Makes sense. Nobody complains about it.

TWS: Easy way to get post count up. Don't have to post more then 3 words. Almost never makes sense. Was already deleted once. People complain about it.

If taking away an easy way to get your post count up 1000+ posts just by putting three words that don't even have to make sense means taking away a couple of peoples fun, so be it. It's called consistency. I'm not going to change my opinion just because it angers a few people. Those few people can either get over it, or be mad forever. Either way, It doesn't effect me.

No, any thread isn't really needed. But atleast they have a point and make sense. When I say the TWS isn't needed, I mean it's ignorant and belittles how we portray ourselves as a commuity.

In conclusion, people shouldn't care about post count at all. It's just a number. If you simply stop caring about post count and put that effort towards something else, you could be a lot moreproductive. Think about it. I'm not being childish and petty. I'm stating an opinion I which I'm not the only one that feels the same way. If anything is childish and petty, it's threatening to leave if a stupid thread isn't re-opened. Think about your own actions before you judge mine next time.
I didn't read this yet. I will in a sec.

[Frank]

I didn't read this yet. I will in a sec.
Quick summary: Kal is now officially a n00b and a jackass, in case there was any doubt.

[Jeffery]

Quick summary: Kal is now officially a n00b and a jackass, in case there was any doubt.
No, he was a n00b and jackass the last 2 times he pulled this same shit.

[Frank]

No, he was a n00b and jackass the last 2 times he pulled this same shit.
I stand corrected. But we all agree he is a n00b and a jackass, right?

[xyxaxyz2]

Not to mention a traitor.

[Kalamady...yep]

Before you guys start talking shit, realize this. I got banned the first time for speaking my mind, the second time for speaking my mind, and the third time for speaking my mind. When you learn that i'm never going to stop speaking my mind...you'll learn to deal with it.

[xyxaxyz2]

And the last two times, you gave up halfway and begged for reinstatement. How long do we think it'll be before you recant this time? A few hours? A few days?

Traitor.

[Kalamady...yep]

The first time I got deleted and simply made another account. We've argued about the second time too much, i'm not starting again.

[xyxaxyz2]

I think your banner is a little out of date, Traitor.

[Jeffery]

Before you guys start talking shit, realize this. I got banned the first time for speaking my mind, the second time for speaking my mind, and the third time for speaking my mind. When you learn that i'm never going to stop speaking my mind...you'll learn to deal with it.
And you'll learn you're an idiot. Oh wait, you know that already. I give Kal no more than a day and he will be begging forgiveness and promise to neve do it again... Until next time.

[Kalamady...yep]

If being an idiot means standing up for something then yes. And I was already asked to beg for forgiveness, by Vival, I said no.

[Jonspen]

kal's sig is huge, so it proves a point.

He's still a traitor though.

:Cool:

[Frank]

If being an idiot means standing up for something then yes. And I was already asked to beg for forgiveness, by Vival, I said no.
You're such a... what's the word I'm looking for... martyr? No, that's not it... Ah, yes dumbass! You're a dumbass. Go away before we sic D*D on you.

[Kalamady...yep]

You're such a... what's the word I'm looking for... martyr? No, that's not it... Ah, yes dumbass! You're a dumbass. Go away before we sic D*D on you.


Frank, shut the .... up. Seriously. I don't even know who you are.

[Frank]

Frank, shut the fuck up. Seriously. I don't even know who you are.
Ouch. That hurts, right here *points at head*. Seriously, though. You're so stupid it's painful. I take your very existance as an insult to mankind.

[Kalamady...yep]

Ouch. That hurts, right here *points at head*. Seriously, though. You're so stupid it's painful. I take your very existance as an insult to mankind.
Frank, listen to me. I seriously don't have time to have a flame war with someone who doesn't even know what they're talking about. Okay?

[xyxaxyz2]

This has nothing to do with you Frank.

[Bottle]

Ah, he's back already. Did you read my post?

Oh, and something else I forgot to put on my last response to t3k. When Aro closed the TWS, I was fully prepared to ditch my Bottle name. However, I would have started a new forum account, and a new grey name, and gone quietly about my business. I love both the game and the forum, but I too will stand up for what I believe in.

Kalamady, you do of course realise that you have put the mods in an impossible position? If they cave in and close the TWS, it will be seen as a *victory for spammers*, and anyone who really wants something in the future will just incessently spam to get it. If they don't, you keep spammning and destroy the forums single-handedly, regardless of how many times you're banned.

The sooner you apologise, and get over this, the better for everyone. Including yourself. You don't seem to realise that the community you're trying to save is 99% against you, and fed up of your spamming.

[xyxaxyz2]

Bottle, you're way too logical. Traitor is a joke.

[Bottle]

I do apologise for being logical. I'll go back to post whoring, eh? I just can't win... post a lot and I'm a spammer, post logically and I get told off... :rolleyes:

[Kalamady...yep]

Bottle, I saw your post and abyaly posted my reply a little ways up.

I'm not apologizing to anybody. As for a spammers victory, I see that happening if the TWS isn't closed. I'm being rational here, closing a thread that is 100% spam is not "victory for spammers." As I said before, we were spamming to show spammers how it's really done. More of a fun thing. THIS thread is our speaking out against the TWS.

99% against me and 99% incorrect. The 1 percent that gets what I am trying to say and agrees with me are the ones who are, in the end, correct. As I said earlier, we want a thread that is 100% spam closed. Too much to ask?

[GoOgLe]

yep im outta of here kalamady good luck with trying to close the tws

[Jonspen]

I would like to hear your definition of spam.

Mine is something cool like this ;

http://img28.exs.cx/img28/396/spam6.gif

^Img tags don't work, bah!

Anyway, how is making another thread full of spam about spam going to stop the spam?

[drakonfire]

kal, you dork, am i missing something here?

TWS is a game thread, kind of, more of a community involvement thread, its hilarious to read, and as multiple ppl have stated, its all in one thread, as opposed to your 10 million, use your head a little here


you say you are on a crusade to stop spam, and in order to do it, you'll spam until you get your way... do you not see the flaw in your logic here? (that was a mistake, its not logic...)

[Jonspen]

^Basically what I said.

[Bottle]

Don't you see his logic Jon? By showing the spammers what to do, he's clearly saying that spamming is a bad thing to do.

Kalamady, You've shot yourself in the foot here. If you continue to shoot other parts of your body to take the pain out of your foot, you'll eventually shoot your own head. And not many people will be sorry.

Google, you are a newb going on n00b who has picked a side without getting the facts first. If you're going to argue, at least try and give an argument of your own.

Kalamady, I challenge you to give me one good reason, other than *it's a spam thread*, why the TWS should be closed. If you cannot, and the TWS is proven not to be spam, then you will have been proved wrong, correct?

[Bottle]

kal, you dork, am i missing something here?

TWS is a game thread, kind of, more of a community involvement thread, its hilarious to read, and as multiple ppl have stated, its all in one thread, as opposed to your 10 million, use your head a little here


you say you are on a crusade to stop spam, and in order to do it, you'll spam until you get your way... do you not see the flaw in your logic here? (that was a mistake, its not logic...)
Another good post that drives yet another nail into the coffin of Kalamady's argument.

[AssassinOfLords]

And to think, I used to respect Kal.

[Kalamady...yep]

How is the the TWS being a spam thread not a good reason for it to be closed?

You say it's a game thread, but so was the Pillow Fight thread. It served the same purpose that you say the TWS did.

Do you still not see the reasoning for all these threads we made that you call spam?


Thank about it. ;)

[Jonspen]

Another double post that makes this a spam thread.

Yes bottle, thanks for verifying, I know see what he is trying to do, but why he is doing it.

[Bottle]

And to think, I used to respect Kal.
Me too. Oh well.

Just goes to show what doing this sort of thing makes you look like.

I notice that the popular vote is in favour of keeping the TWS, whereas before it was pretty even 50-50 split between closing and keeping it... amazing isn't it? Kalamady, thanks for helping.

[drakonfire]

And to think, I used to respect Kal.

dont worry, i think everyone had a little for him at some point or another... though i still hold civil conversation with him on the IRC channel, he isnt making a wit of sense on the forums and actling like a total n00bler

[Kalamady...yep]

I'm sorry if I lose peoples respect for speaking my mind.

[Bottle]

Thank about it. ;)
Everyone is thinking about it. And they're thinking that you're a pillock. I doubt that this is ever going to get through to you, though... you're so blinded by your faith in the crusade against the TWS that you can't see that everyone hates you for it.

[drakonfire]

I'm sorry if I lose peoples respect for speaking my mind.


you lose peoples respect for trying to do idiotic things

you dont like the TWS thread and you think it should be closed, thats all well and good, your mind has been spoken, however when ppl in power decided not to close it (julia) you decided to spam the forums with a bit of help from vival as i understand it, this was just acting out, there is a large difference between acting out and speaking your mind, your mind was spoken the moment you said you didnt like the TWS and thought it should be closed, you started acting out (and have been doing so) ever since you decided to "force" the issue, its the acting out that is losing ppls respect, get it straight kal

[Jonspen]

kal, I hear you. But I still don't understand how 1 single thread can annoy you so much?

[Kalamady...yep]

Oh, I see everyone hates me for it. It's really no big deal though. I'll stand by my opinion before I stand by my friends.


Here is the reasoning for the spam:

TWS and Pillow fight have a couple things in common. They are both fun threads. Both can be considered spam. In both threads the participants enjoyed them. And they both could be considered a way to up your post count. If one can be closed, why can't the other? Maybe because in the other mods are afraid of revolt?

[Jonspen]

I don't hate you, I think it is quite respectful carrying on arguing against us all.

But still, perhaps the TWS is mroe enjoyable than the pillow fight thread, I never posted in the pillow one so I wouldn't know.

[drakonfire]

kal, you.... AH!!!! you just dont get it do you? your opinion is FINE TO HAVE!!! but once you start tring to FORCE THAT OPINION ON OTHERS your skating on thin ice that breaks everytime, we dont hate you for thinking the TWS is spam, we dont even hate you (well i dont) we just hate what your doing, your acting like a total n00b and an overall ass because the rest of us dont agree with you, thats just straight idiocy

[Kalamady...yep]

I posted in both, they are about the same level.

[Jonspen]

That's a nice ay of putting it drak.

We are not complainign about speaking your mind, we're complainign about you trying to make others think what you do.

[Kalamady...yep]

I'm not throwing a fit because you guys don't agree with me. I'm arguing my points. If anything it seems to me like you're the one getting worked up, posting in all caps and everything. :)

[Foundation]

i like cheese

[drakonfire]

i posted select portions in caps to get your attention to those points and because i'm to lazy to use the italics or bold tags, because you dont seem to get it, you have argued your points, and the final verdict is this, "it is not gonna happen" so cease being an n00bish ass, for crying out loud its getting old


no caps there, better? ;)

EDIT:


i like cheese

now THAT was useless, foundation stop spamming, good grief

[Foundation]

i like you

[Bottle]

And you're spamming because you haven't got your own way. That's just petty. We know your opinion, we just don't agree with it. But why do you have more of a say in the running of the forum than everyone else? Why should the mods listen to you, but not to us? Do you have some god-given right to have whatever you want done on the forum?

No. You're just spamming out of petulance. You deserve to be banned. You're as bad as GUESSWHOSBACK~~~. And that's saying something.

The only reason you're not on my ignore list, like Vival, is that I want to be able to argue against you. I like fighting for a winning cause.

Edit: Foundation... just go away. No one finds you funny.

[Kalamady...yep]

i posted select portions in caps to get your attention to those points and because i'm to lazy to use the italics or bold tags, because you dont seem to get it, you have argued your points, and the final verdict is this, "it is not gonna happen" so cease being an n00bish ass, for crying out loud its getting old


no caps there, better?

Listen, while you think i'm not hearing your side of the story I am. I get what you're trying to tell me. But I am in no way, shape or form going to give up this argument. Even when this whole thing is over, it's not going to be over. Even when this thread is necroed next year for history week, I won't be done with the argument. I'm not stopping until I win. I'm just that stubborn. :) So now you know i'm not giving up, and you want this to be over...what do you do? :)

[Foundation]

i guess we live with it

[drakonfire]

Listen, while you think i'm not hearing your side of the story I am. I get what you're trying to tell me. But I am in no way, shape or form going to give up this argument. Even when this whole thing is over, it's not going to be over. Even when this thread is necroed next year for history week, I won't be done with the argument. I'm not stopping until I win. I'm just that stubborn. :) So now you know i'm not giving up, and you want this to be over...what do you do?


well i ignore this thread, beginning after this post, and if you continue to make new threads about the subject i ignore them too... ya know, that sounds like a strikeingly good idea, like maybe what you should do with the TWS?! O_o

i'm done, catch ya around you stubborn ass (yup, donkeys are REALLY stubborn ;) )

[Kalamady...yep]

And you're spamming because you haven't got your own way. That's just petty. We know your opinion, we just don't agree with it. But why do you have more of a say in the running of the forum than everyone else? Why should the mods listen to you, but not to us? Do you have some god-given right to have whatever you want done on the forum?

No. You're just spamming out of petulance. You deserve to be banned. You're as bad as GUESSWHOSBACK~~~. And that's saying something.

The only reason you're not on my ignore list, like Vival, is that I want to be able to argue against you. I like fighting for a winning cause.

Edit: Foundation... just go away. No one finds you funny.

I haven't spammed today. THis thread is up, spamming is over and it's time to argue. You know my opinion and don't agree with it? Weill vise versa. I don't have any god given right and I don't hold myself above anyone. If I did, I would just say "burning close the thread now" and expect it to be closed. I'm voicing my opinion in hopes it will be recognized.

[Bottle]

Listen, while you think i'm not hearing your side of the story I am. I get what you're trying to tell me. But I am in no way, shape or form going to give up this argument. Even when this whole thing is over, it's not going to be over. Even when this thread is necroed next year for history week, I won't be done with the argument. I'm not stopping until I win. I'm just that stubborn. :) So now you know i'm not giving up, and you want this to be over...what do you do? :)
So you realise what you're doing is stupid, yet you continue to do it.

Right.

What do we do? We wait for Julia to ban you again. And again. And then prevent your future access.

We'll see if you get done with this argument if you're not here to argue it. Good luck with the martyrdom.

[Kalamady...yep]

well i ignore this thread, beginning after this post, and if you continue to make new threads about the subject i ignore them too... ya know, that sounds like a strikeingly good idea, like maybe what you should do with the TWS?! O_o




There won't be anymore thread arguing this same point. That would be spamming. :p

[Kalamady...yep]

So you realise what you're doing is stupid, yet you continue to do it.

Right.

What do we do? We wait for Julia to ban you again. And again. And then prevent your future access.

We'll see if you get done with this argument if you're not here to argue it. Good luck with the martyrdom.


No, I realize that you think what i'm doing is stupid. I realize your point, I just disagree with it. Also, I haven't done anything wrong. I got a suspension for spamming(which I don't even agree with but not gunna get into that) I haven't spammed just argued.

[Bottle]

I haven't spammed today.
I thought you said you had 313 posts yesterday. You don't get 2000 posts in 2 days without spamming on both of them.

I'm voicing my opinion in hopes it will be recognized.
That's fine. We recognise it. If you stop spamming, people might even listen to you. But at the moment, you're labelled as a spammer, and people don't listen to what spammers have to say. (Notice that people usually listen to what I have to say, despite my 1500 posts in the TWS.) Now if you stopped spamming, presented your argument (as you have done now), and continued to sensibly discuss, maybe we could have a decent discussion.

But you won't get a decent discussion on a thread entitled "spam run."

You need to apologise for your spamming. Then maybe we could have a proper discussion about this. At the moment, most of your potential supporters are against you, merely because you acted stupidly.

[Kalamady...yep]

I thought you said you had 313 posts yesterday. You don't get 2000 posts in 2 days without spamming on both of them.


That's fine. We recognise it. If you stop spamming, people might even listen to you. But at the moment, you're labelled as a spammer, and people don't listen to what spammers have to say. (Notice that people usually listen to what I have to say, despite my 1500 posts in the TWS.) Now if you stopped spamming, presented your argument (as you have done now), and continued to sensibly discuss, maybe we could have a decent discussion.

But you won't get a decent discussion on a thread entitled "spam run."

You need to apologise for your spamming. Then maybe we could have a proper discussion about this. At the moment, most of your potential supporters are against you, merely because you acted stupidly.


I had 2000 posts before I started Spamming. I started around 2003 or so.

I would like to know, right now, how am I spamming? I didn't make this thread. I'm not spamming in any way. We have a difference of opinion and were arguing about it.

[theburning]

I banned you for a reason kalamady.

Your IP will now be banned.

[Bottle]

I would like to know, right now, how am I spamming? I didn't make this thread. I'm not spamming in any way. We have a difference of opinion and were arguing about it.
You're not, now. But you have been, and you can't deny it. So, unfortunately, your side of the argument is tainted with a bad reputation. I repeat: Had you been more sensible, and less petty, you might have had a considerably larger following.

[Sir Vival]

You're not, now. But you have been, and you can't deny it. So, unfortunately, your side of the argument is tainted with a bad reputation. I repeat: Had you been more sensible, and less petty, you might have had a considerably larger following.
No. Julia, didn't we already discuss IP banning and what it causes? By the way, if I'm correct you can't IP ban Kalamady with the 'okay' from Bills.

[theburning]

Didn't you already copy and paste that kid telling me he was going to stop?
And that he wanted to just serve his punishment?
We did! And his ban was going to be removed after 7 days, as promised.
Until now.

If you wan't to teach your friend to get around the IP ban that's fine.
I'll get the forums set to approval before posting then.

[Sir Vival]

Actually, Julia you can't IP Ban him. You're going to need a little help from Bills. :)

[theburning]

I know that.
And it will be done within the next few hours. :)

He's already said to me that he'll IP ban anyone that needs to be.

[Sir Vival]

Actually burning, I never said that.
I love it, oh so much.
I know that.
And it will be done within the next few hours. :)

He's already said to me that he'll IP ban anyone that needs to be.
I doubt Bills will be getting on for the next few days. :)

[theburning]

I love it, oh so much.

I doubt Bills will be getting on for the next few days. :)

Bills send me the email about 25 mins ago.
He always replies to my emails within a few hours.

[Walrus]

Would the loss of the TWS result in me stopping posting? I think not.

sorry for quoting such an old post, but remember what you did when aro actually did close tws? you threatened to leave the forum for good. and you werent joking then.



Some people take things here FAR too seriously. Maybe I should stop making joke posts.


true. very, very true. ive almost given up on saying anything even slightly non-serious. with the likes of jeff always trolling around nitpicking about the finest details in posts....make me wonder if we are still in the 3rd grade or if certain people are gonna just grow up a bit.

[Notorious TOM]

Well then I guess I got a few more hours...should I spam?

[Sir Vival]

Walrus, you just gained a spot on my wall of people I love. You're picture is right next to Pyro (Xyxz)!

[Jeffery]

You know you didn;t use any capitilization in that post????

That was at least third grade education.

[Walrus]

i find it amazing how ive been here less than 6 months and ive seen many of the (who i thought) prominent figures and anchors of this community get up and leave.

[Sir Vival]

i find it amazing how ive been here less than 6 months and ive seen many of the (who i thought) prominent figures and anchors of this community get up and leave.
Yeah, I'm still waiting on Jeffery.

[Jeffery]

Many left even before that. The basic fact is the game is severely limited. People tend to get bored, and wander on.

[Sir Vival]

Many left even before that. The basic fact is the game is severely limited. People tend to get bored, and wander on.
And I'm still waiting on Jeffery.

[Walrus]

And I'm still waiting on Jeffery.


yeah id kinda hoped when he cancelled his gold account hed also cancel his forum trolling.
all we can do is wait.
though i find ignoring him when hes off on his little flaming sprees also works, apparently "getting a rise/reaction out of people" is one of the most amazing hobbies around.

[Sir Vival]

Yeah, I lost the need to flame once I realized Jeffery was trying to do it. Rumor is he thinks he's actually mean.

[~Dark-Rain~]

I am for the TWS for one simple point. Having ONE thread of nspam that you can quickly flick past is a helluva lot better than a page of spam threads.
Same here Jeff, I think the hugging thing and everything else are ricdiculous.

Kala/Vival-Puttin Spammers in Check!
Oh really???

[theburning]

I wasn't joking.
I can do this all night if you want.

[Sir Vival]

I wasn't joking.
I can do this all night if you want.
Niether was I, and I've got all Thanksgiving Break.

[~Dark-Rain~]

Exaclty what the title says... This is really something.

http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=Shouldbebanned.jpg

Did you see the times?!?

[Sir Vival]

She has requested for him to be IP banned, but she herself doesn't have the power.

[theburning]

I did.
I deleted them.

[~Dark-Rain~]

I did.
I deleted them.
Thank you very much.

[Frank]

Off topic but, dark rain, I must say that is a kickass banner.

[***Duo***]

Burning...let kal back.
Kal and vival are right.
This community seems to be going downhill.
In the TWS...it IS mindless spam...basically.
So...why can't kal and vival make there own 'come here and spam' threads?
Down with TWS!!!


-Duo

[Bottle]

So, what you basically want is a screen full of those sorts of threads, and all the good threads on page 2 or 3? Right. Yeah, let Kalamady back, we really want that. Don't we?

This community IS going downhill. And people seem to be looking around for a scapegoat, and choosing the TWS because it's contraversial (since it has so many replies, and for tht reason only; if it had only say 2000 replies, no one would care about it). The fact is... this community has been going downhill for a very different reason.

EVERYONE IS LEAVING.

Only around half the people who were here when I started posting are still here. And their places have been taken by people like Foundation, who have never made a relevant post in their lives.

Don't blame the TWS for this.

[Jeffery]

So, Duo thinks someone can threaten a Mod and try to once again incite the n00bs to spam and shit, and then just come back like nothing happened???

This is not the first, or even second, time Kal has done this shit. He has done this shit. He deserves exactly what he got.

[Bottle]

I'd like Duo to respond to this question of mine.

If the mods now let Kalamady back, and closed the TWS, wouldn't that be saying "Yes, if you spam all the time we'll do what you want us to do"?

[Jonspen]

Only around half the people who were here when I started posting are still here.

And you know it!

Oh and, I see Julia's reasons for banning Kal, I really do think making more accounts was the dumbest thing he has done.

[Jeffery]

He's done it before. His lack of repect is astounding.

[S_K_O_F]

I'd like Duo to respond to this question of mine.

If the mods now let Kalamady back, and closed the TWS, wouldn't that be saying "Yes, if you spam all the time we'll do what you want us to do"?

sounds like a good argument against terrorism

[Jonspen]

Bottle is the man of tommorrow!

[theburning]

Burning...let kal back.
Kal and vival are right.
This community seems to be going downhill.
In the TWS...it IS mindless spam...basically.
So...why can't kal and vival make there own 'come here and spam' threads?
Down with TWS!!!


-Duo

I offered Kalamady to stay, he apparently didn't want to.

Then he created about 25 different new usernames - some of which were quite offensive.
Kalamady will not be returning.

[Jeffery]

Bottle for President!

[Sir Vival]

I'd like Duo to respond to this question of mine.

If the mods now let Kalamady back, and closed the TWS, wouldn't that be saying "Yes, if you spam all the time we'll do what you want us to do"?
No, it would be like saying "Yes, Three Word Story is a major cause of spam, so we'll close it."
Bottle for president? That wouldn't work out. He would enter us into the Iraqi war and then when people wouldn't support him he would threaten to back-down.

[Jonspen]

How can you threaten to back down when people don't support you?

You would end up HAVING to. Not threatning it.

[Jeffery]

Um, backing down would be the Mods giving in to your and Kal whining about TWS.

Your spam was worse than TWS ever was, and Kal once again proved to be an idiot.

[Jonspen]

Once again?

[Sir Vival]

Similar to Bush situation now. Many people throughout the U.S. do not support his choice to declare war on Iraq.
I was comparing this situation to the situation where Bottle threatened to leave TAO when Aro closed the Three Word Story thread.

[Jonspen]

I must have been in legends when that happend.

Similar to Bush situation now. Many people throughout the U.S. do not support his choice to declare war on Iraq.

So why did so many vote him back in if they did not support him?

[Jeffery]

Similar to Bush situation now. Many people throughout the U.S. do not support his choice to declare war on Iraq.
I was comparing this situation to the situation where Bottle threatened to leave TAO when Aro closed the Three Word Story thread.
And i was referring to the spam and idiocy that you once again involved yourself in, while trying to make it seem as if you had some larger goal.

The only result is that one of the idiots is out of TAO. Seems to me your actions did have a positive effect, just not the one you said you wanted.

[Sir Vival]

And i was referring to the spam and idiocy that you once again involved yourself in, while trying to make it seem as if you had some larger goal.

The only result is that one of the idiots is out of TAO. Seems to me your actions did have a positive effect, just not the one you said you wanted.
Jeffery, you've got your facts wrong. This is the first time I've commited a spam act. Now idiocy, I admit I'm guilty of that on numerous attempts. Now, all of this coming from the man who made a poll about himself (Which is the best Jeffery?) is very humurous.

The only result from all of this is that we did succeed in one of our goals, as a spam rule has been put in effect. And throughout this process we had several successful goals, like in the Mount Jeffery thread, we managed to get under your skin, while also managing to all have fun making fun of you (myself, amaroth, and kalamady). So, yes we did succeed in some of our goals.

[Jeffery]

Actually, the mount jeffery was the same as all the other n00b threads created. It went no where, and I laughed at it. How is that getting under my skin? I didn;t even see it till just as it was closed.
And notice, the only spam threads that have been dealt with were the very ones that you yourself had a hand in closing.
You didn;t change any policy that hadn;t already been there. If you hadn't spammed, there wouldn;t have been all the threads to close. The other kids will still make the same old threads, and nothing will change, except that one of the idiots is now gone.
As for making fun of me, congrats. Most n00bs do. All it does does is amuse me.I like being amused.

[Jonspen]

As for making fun of me, congrats. Most n00bs do. All it does does is amuse me.I like being amused.

You suck hehehehehe.

Wait, your the clown.

Now kal is gone, maybe the crap will start to fade away, to a moderate level.

[Sir Vival]

Actually, the mount jeffery was the same as all the other n00b threads created. It went no where, and I laughed at it. How is that getting under my skin? I didn;t even see it till just as it was closed.
And notice, the only spam threads that have been dealt with were the very ones that you yourself had a hand in closing.
You didn;t change any policy that hadn;t already been there. If you hadn't spammed, there wouldn;t have been all the threads to close. The other kids will still make the same old threads, and nothing will change, except that one of the idiots is now gone.
As for making fun of me, congrats. Most n00bs do. All it does does is amuse me.I like being amused.
It's purpose wasn't to go somewhere, it's purpose was to make fun of you. However, it did go somewhere, Amaroth, Kalamady, and myself were having quite some fun with it. Unless I misunderstood from the private message I recieved from Duffman, he said you asked him to close the thread. One of the idiots is gone, if I recall you were never banned, Kalamady was. Most n00bs make fun of you? No, Amaroth, myself, and Kalamady did, if you want to call us n00bs, go for it.

[***Duo***]

Heh, so Kal is gone...
Interesting...the community continues to fall.
Bottle, oh wise man of crazed evil...do I really have to answer such a silly question?
It is apparent I was semi-waht kidding.
(Or so I thought it was.)


-Duo

[Bottle]

I wouldn't have entered the Iraq war in the first place.

Duo, you need to put a rolleyes or [/sarcasm] in next time. I'm easily fooled :)

[Kalamady223]

Lets get something straight, I am in no way an idiot. Jeffery, you calling me one is a disgrace and proves you to be even more the idiot for saying it. You think I don't know what my consequences were going to be? I knew quite well I would probably end up getting banned. Do you think that because i'm not a little bitch like you are and I have the balls to stand up to authority i'm an idiot? Just because I don't suck up to them every chance I get?

Vival, i'm seriously done with you. You're fake. You had no dedication in this what-so-ever and you know this. You just continue to talk bullshit. You fail to mention that when you even hear you might be getting banned you run and apologize to burning. Just shut up.

Burning, you never offered me to stay although, if you had, I would of turned it down. I'm done with this community. Oh yeah, just so you know, I wasn't the one making those usernames. Your little bitch Vival was. I just posted on them, he continued making them for me so you would ignore the IP. What do you think about that?

well of course this will probably be deleted because burning can't stand to be wrong, so I am going to save it and keep posting it until everyone sees it. Oh yeah, burning, you might wanna let this stand for proof to Bills if I EVER get IP banned.(which was supposed to happen 3 days ago)





-Kalamady

[Bottle]

Good riddance. We don't need people who think they're above the law here.

And you can keep posting all you like. 99% of the community now sees you as a brainless moron. Coming back repeatedly after a ban jut reinforces this point. I don't see what the point is of saying the same thing over and over when you're the first name on everyone's ignore list.

Oh, of course. The only reason you'll keep coming back is to annoy us. How petty.

[Kalamady223]

Good riddance. We don't need people who think they're above the law here.

And you can keep posting all you like. 99% of the community now sees you as a brainless moron. Coming back repeatedly after a ban jut reinforces this point. I don't see what the point is of saying the same thing over and over when you're the first name on everyone's ignore list.

Oh, of course. The only reason you'll keep coming back is to annoy us. How petty.

I don't remember saying I am above the law.


And I could give a rats ass what people think about me at this point. I'm not saying the same thing, and i'll come back as many times as I like, deal with it.

Do you really think that high about yourself? Do you think I keep coming back to annoy you? I don't give a shit about you. I come back to reinforce my point and give theburning a chance to prove me wrong. She can't do that, hence the bans with no replies. She uses her power as a shield. But until I get IP banned, which I doubt will ever happen since Bills is such a lazy ...., i'm going to keep coming back. See you next time. :)

[Bottle]

I don't remember saying I am above the law.
But you're acting like it. You were banned for a reason. Do you think yourself greater than such petty things as being banned from posting on the forum?

[Sir Vival]

Vival, i'm seriously done with you. You're fake. You had no dedication in this what-so-ever and you know this. You just continue to talk bullshit. You fail to mention that when you even hear you might be getting banned you run and apologize to burning. Just shut up.
Dude, I didn't appologize to her once. I asked her to forgive you, so you would get unbanned. That's all you had to do, was say you're sorry. Julia and I talked about it online, but you wanted to try and pretend to be hardcore and stubborn and "not give into authority". I've been banned more times than you can even dream of, I've been lower than anyone in these forums can even dream of, and I'm not happy about it. I used to be, but now I know how much of an ass I look like by seeing what you're doing. If you really want to end our friendship over something like that, then I guess we never were really friends. If you don't believe, go ahead and ask Julia how many times I said I was sorry for my actions - zero. The most I did was argue for her to open the Pillow Fight thread up and most importantly to unban your stubborn ass.

Burning, you never offered me to stay although, if you had, I would of turned it down. I'm done with this community. Oh yeah, just so you know, I wasn't the one making those usernames. Your little bitch Vival was. I just posted on them, he continued making them for me so you would ignore the IP. What do you think about that?
She's aware of this.

[theburning]

Burning, you never offered me to stay although, if you had, I would of turned it down. I'm done with this community. Oh yeah, just so you know, I wasn't the one making those usernames. Your little bitch Vival was. I just posted on them, he continued making them for me so you would ignore the IP. What do you think about that?

Actually, as I recall once I actually started to get into it I banned almost all of your usernames before they even got a chance to post.

Vival stopped spamming once I warned him.
If he does it again he will also be banned.

well of course this will probably be deleted because burning can't stand to be wrong, so I am going to save it and keep posting it until everyone sees it. Oh yeah, burning, you might wanna let this stand for proof to Bills if I EVER get IP banned.(which was supposed to happen 3 days ago)

I can't stand to be wrong?
Tell me how I'm wrong here?
For banning some ridiculous child who thinks that he's so cool because he can spam?
Kalamady, you're the only one who was wrong here.
You're also the only one who looks stupid here.
I was just doing my job.

In the future you might want to look into alternate methods when trying to attain your goals.

[Jonspen]

Kal has lost alot, we haven not.

Move on here people, move on.

[Bottle]

It's hard to move on when this thread keeps getting bumped by Kalamady's many annoying personalities.

[Kalamady223]

Vival, you say you moved on, but I wasn't the only one involved in this here. Let me remind you that you were the one that made the damn threads, I just participated in them. You have never stopped being the ass you are and we both know it. Friendship? Ha. A friend wouldn't stand by my side in an argument and then leave when he could possible face consequences. Burning said you stopped when you were warned and we both know why. You were afraid of the punishment. Vival, a little something about me, when I start something I finish it. And I do it to the best of my ability. It shows dedication and determination. Two things that you obviously lack. Next time, don't speak up against something and then change your mind when you find out you might get banned.

Bottle and burning, how many time do I have to say I expected to be banned for this? I know by now that you can't speak out against anything you see wrong or you get banned. I don't see myself as above the law.

Burning, you were not wrong in banning me. You were wrong about the TWS. That's part of the reason I was banned. You say that it was because I spammed, but if you look back, I stopped. We were having a discussion and you couldn't take me proving you wrong. You warned me to stop arguing with you, because I was right. I kept proving you wrong and kept making valid points, so you banned me. It's quite simple.

As for this community, it's seriously flawed. It's run on a "i have power so im right" theory. You guys put up with things from our mods and admins that nobody would put up for in real life. An example would be this new promised site. It was promised for yesterday and isn't here. Another would be the gold accounts that still aren't upgraded. The forums accounts that aren't even being looked at. You guys have been fed dead promises and I doubt half of the things Bills say is coming will ever actually come. Have fun while FPS lasts. I doubt that will be much longer if any of you have the courage to stand up for yourselves like I did.

[theburning]

Burning, you were not wrong in banning me. You were wrong about the TWS. That's part of the reason I was banned. You say that it was because I spammed, but if you look back, I stopped. We were having a discussion and you couldn't take me proving you wrong. You warned me to stop arguing with you, because I was right. I kept proving you wrong and kept making valid points, so you banned me. It's quite simple.

I never argued for TWS. I hate TWS, I always have.
But the purpose of this forum is to have fun.
I recognize that people need something ridiculous like that sometimes.
Therefore, I will do nothing if it's harming no one.
And it isn't.

You were never right about anything except TWS being ridiculous.
That doesn't mean that it should be forbidden entirely.

[Kalamady223]

I never argued for TWS. I hate TWS, I always have.
But the purpose of this forum is to have fun.
I recognize that people need something ridiculous like that sometimes.
Therefore, I will do nothing if it's harming no one.
And it isn't.

You were never right about anything except TWS being ridiculous.
That doesn't mean that it should be forbidden entirely.


You did argue for the TWS. At first, you were the main person I was arguing agianst. You said that it "keeps the spammers in one thread."

[Sir Vival]

Vival, you say you moved on, but I wasn't the only one involved in this here. Let me remind you that you were the one that made the damn threads, I just participated in them. You have never stopped being the ass you are and we both know it. Friendship? Ha. A friend wouldn't stand by my side in an argument and then leave when he could possible face consequences. Burning said you stopped when you were warned and we both know why. You were afraid of the punishment. Vival, a little something about me, when I start something I finish it. And I do it to the best of my ability. It shows dedication and determination. Two things that you obviously lack. Next time, don't speak up against something and then change your mind when you find out you might get banned.
Kalamady, are you honestly this .... stupid? Yes, you're correct I did make those threads, and because of those threads Julia warned us to stop. Did I stop? No. I continuing right along side with you posting in those threads until she closed them. When she closed then I continued to argue with her via private messaging. She said she would not ban us as long as we did not make anymore stupid threads. I continued posting in the threads we made that she didn't close. Then, your dumbass went and got banned. Guess who came to your savior, Vival did. I'm the one who got Julia to agree to allow you to return if you merely promised you would stop. Yet, you refused. You wouldn't go back on something you did, in which we wouldn't be going back on. She just wanted us to stop making stupid threads. You and I could have damn well simply spammed the hell out of the Three Word Story. I'm not scared of getting banned Kalamady, I've been banned more times than you can dream of. I brought myself out of the whole with DivineRight and earned his forgiveness. Bills is here now and I owe him absolutely no respect, but I did stop because Julia did make a point to me. She is my friend, and I don't need to punish her on my path to Bills. Dedication, you're talking to the most hated man on these forums? You try acting like an immature, retarded ass everyday. You're starting to now, but you sure as hell haven't done it from the start. Determination? You be the most hated and immature person in a community and still manage to come back everyday and manage to make a few "pals". You try getting IP banned, and feeling bad. Then coming back on a new account and earning forgiveness from the Big Man. You're nothing Kalamady. You spamming requires no dedication or determination, it requires being an idiot. I admit, it was fun just trying a lost cause to get the Three Word Story closed, but after you realize you're just making someone else's job hell who you like, it gets old real quick. If you have determination, try apologizing and then try earning forgiveness.

[theburning]

You did argue for the TWS. At first, you were the main person I was arguing agianst. You said that it "keeps the spammers in one thread."

And it does.
They know that they can't go anywhere they want doing stuff like that.
That doesn't mean that I like it though?
It just means that nothing can be done to change it without negative side effects.
Like I said, if you just don't look at it then it can't bother you.

Plus, I can see how it could be fun if it were done properly.
Most of the people who post on there aren't capable of forming sentences though.

Anyways, this arguement is done.
Quit thinking you had more impact on here than you did.

[Kalamady223]

Vival, i'm not talking about spamming here. Spamming was immature and pointless. It's just one of the side effects of listening to someone as idiotic as you. You were the one that told me we should spam. And I admit, I stupidely listened to you. But i'm done with that now. Nothing you ever say ever works. Dedication? Are you saying that being immature is being dedicated? You're dedicated to being hated? Okay... I'm dedicated to a cause, not useless hatred. Determination? Again you're saying that you are determined to be hated. It's so stupid. You don't even know what you're writing anymore. I don't need to earn forgiveness from anybody. I did what I did and I don't expect to be forgivness. I expect to be heard. Unlike you, I don't need to have these forums. I haven't done this from the start? You must not remember me speaking out agianst DR back in April and me speaking out to Bills just a month ago. You're whole post was just crap. Let me summarize basically what you said.

"I have dedication and determination because I am an immature ass. I am very proud of this but when I get banned for it, I try to get forgiveness."

How idiotic.

Burning, as you said, most of the people on their can't form complete sentences. That's half the reason why it's complete spam. It's like "Can't speak properly? COME TO THE TWS!!" The other half is it's used to get pc up. We both know that if you reset half the peoples post count that post in the TWS, there would be an uproar. TWS is post whores galore and that's why it shouldn't be here.



If this keeps going the same way, this argument is far from over.

[Sir Vival]

Someone as idiotic as me? I was atleast smart enough to stop. I told you we should spam to get Three Word Story closed, once it obviously wasn't going to work (go figure?) I stopped. It was your dumbass that kept on, trying to a badass. Nothing I ever say works? That's a load of shit. You and I have had a lot 'adventures', who got us both into Bushido Gaiden a few months ago? Who convinced Achilles to carry out my plan? You're the one who fucked it up when you told Cavour. Dedication, I've got plenty of dedication. You honestly think I make fun of everyone I meet in real life, if I did that I would get my ass wooped. Dedicated to be hated, you're wrong there boy. I was dedicated to doing things to annoy people (like Jeffery) who have a stick to far up their ass and think they're superior to other people. You expect to be heard? You're on more than half of the community's ignore list. Good job being heard! I don't need these forums either, why do you think I'm gone half of the time? The only times I even post are on weekends (rarely) and if I'm home on break. My mistake, I meant to say you're not consistent with anything. So what? You have DivineRight a hard time and then came back and kissed his ass. Speaking up against Bills? Plenty of people did that. Few people here would choose Bills over DivineRight. DivineRight promised something and it would happen, Bills has promised things and few of them have even happened. He's on less and less each day, soon we'll be alone again and Julia will have to spicen things up by hosting tournaments. My whole post was crap, let me summarize your post.

"I'm a cocky dumbass. I'm aware that Julia has banned more than ten of my accounts, and yet I'm going to continue to come back and haunt this forum. Oh yeah, but I don't need this forum, but I'm still coming back after I was banned. By the way, Vival you're a silly willy. You to Bottle and Julia!"

[Kalamady223]

Someone as idiotic as me? I was atleast smart enough to stop. I told you we should spam to get Three Word Story closed, once it obviously wasn't going to work (go figure?) I stopped. It was your dumbass that kept on, trying to a badass. Nothing I ever say works? That's a load of shit. You and I have had a lot 'adventures', who got us both into Bushido Gaiden a few months ago? Who convinced Achilles to carry out my plan? You're the one who fucked it up when you told Cavour. Dedication, I've got plenty of dedication. You honestly think I make fun of everyone I meet in real life, if I did that I would get my ass wooped. Dedicated to be hated, you're wrong there boy. I was dedicated to doing things to annoy people (like Jeffery) who have a stick to far up their ass and think they're superior to other people. You expect to be heard? You're on more than half of the community's ignore list. Good job being heard! I don't need these forums either, why do you think I'm gone half of the time? The only times I even post are on weekends (rarely) and if I'm home on break. My mistake, I meant to say you're not consistent with anything. So what? You have DivineRight a hard time and then came back and kissed his ass. Speaking up against Bills? Plenty of people did that. Few people here would choose Bills over DivineRight. DivineRight promised something and it would happen, Bills has promised things and few of them have even happened. He's on less and less each day, soon we'll be alone again and Julia will have to spicen things up by hosting tournaments. My whole post was crap, let me summarize your post.

"I'm a cocky dumbass. I'm aware that Julia has banned more than ten of my accounts, and yet I'm going to continue to come back and haunt this forum. Oh yeah, but I don't need this forum, but I'm still coming back after I was banned. By the way, Vival you're a silly willy. You to Bottle and Julia!"


Are you mentally retarded? Where in my post did I say anything about real life? I'm talking about these forums. You said yourself that you're dedicated to being an ass and even backed that up with your latest post. I was trying to be bad ass by spamming? YOU HELPED ME SPAM! You made my fucking names idiot. You told me what to put!! You were just as involved in this as I was, but you bitched out when burning said you could be banned. Nothing you ever say works. That's what I said. Trying to take BG down, your idea. Making 2 new names, Silver Wolf and Silver Fox, your idea. Spamming the forums, your idea. None of them worked. When I said you were dedicated to be hated, I was just repeating what you told me.

Dedication, you're talking to the most hated man on these forums? You try acting like an immature, retarded ass everyday.

Don't try and take back what you said. Although, you seem to be doing a lot of that lately.

I guess what you want me to do is just apologize right? Just forget about what I believe in and what I stand for, like you did, and apologize? Well, dream on. I have values, and your or anyone elses opinion about me is not one of them. I still stand by my opinion. Your opinion flip flops like your name was Kerry. Now you better quit this argument before you get banned. I know you don't want that. :)

[Sir Vival]

I guess what you want me to do is just apologize right? Just forget about what I believe in and what I stand for, like you did, and apologize? Well, dream on. I have values, and your or anyone elses opinion about me is not one of them. I still stand by my opinion. Your opinion flip flops like your name was Kerry. Now you better quit this argument before you get banned. I know you don't want that. :)
No, I don't want you to forget about what you believe. But you've taken it to far, it's not this big a deal. You say you can move on, yet you continue to come back to these forums after being banned. You can't have very high values if you stand for spam.

[Kalamady223]

No, I don't want you to forget about what you believe. But you've taken it to far, it's not this big a deal. You say you can move on, yet you continue to come back to these forums after being banned. You can't have very high values if you stand for spam.


If it's not this big a deal to you, why did you get involved in the first place. Don't risk getting into trouble over something that you don't even believe in! I will move on as soon as I think this argument is over. As I said before, it's far from it. Also, you say I stand for spam, yet I was in this thing to get the TWS closed? Doesn't make sense. But, then again, you never do.

[Sir Vival]

If it's not this big a deal to you, why did you get involved in the first place. Don't risk getting into trouble over something that you don't even believe in! I will move on as soon as I think this argument is over. As I said before, it's far from it. Also, you say I stand for spam, yet I was in this thing to get the TWS closed? Doesn't make sense. But, then again, you never do.
Forgive me for not believing in the oh-so-great spam.

[Kalamady223]

Forgive me for not believing in the oh-so-great spam.

That didn't even make sense. I said why get into something you don't believe in?


Meaning, why get into getting the TWS closed if it's not that important to you in the first place?


Also, this "oh-so-great spam" you talk of came directly from your thoughts, not mine. I never even thought of spamming, you suggested it. Not to mention, you were the creator of EVERY thread we spammed in. But you don't believe in spam. :rolleyes:

[Sir Vival]

That didn't even make sense. I said why get into something you don't believe in?


Meaning, why get into getting the TWS closed if it's not that important to you in the first place?


Also, this "oh-so-great spam" you talk of came directly from your thoughts, not mine. I never even thought of spamming, you suggested it. Not to mention, you were the creator of EVERY thread we spammed in. But you don't believe in spam. :rolleyes:
You said don't get involved in something if you don't believe in it. Forgive me for not believing in spam. Just because I spam doesn't mean I 'believe' in it. People fight against war, but that mean they believe in war (fighting).


And to make you feel good, yes you're owning me. I was never good at master d