World of Warcraft

[The Coder]

Damnit I'm in a lot of incompetent groups.
Mage, you need to dispel the curses on us.
*No response or dispelling*
Please, decurse us.
"I don't think she has that yet"
It's a freaking level 18 spell.
"This aint no 70 raid"
...

Earlier today I also joined a group as off tank, because there's no way a well geared resto shaman can heal better than a crappy geared holy priest. So on the pulls where one breaks off from the tank, I take it from there. And then the healer bitches and tells me to stop trying to be a tank. She bitched about how much she had to heal me. Her overhealing percentage: 63%. When I'd get down 100 she'd heal me for 400.

[Walrus]

for my guild, which has all of TK/SSC on farm except for the end bosses (ie kael and vashj), it should really be pretty easy to be honest.
and yet a combination of utter failing by some people, and the fact that we didnt have 10 of our main decently geared raiders online (meaning i had to grab some casuals/trialists) meant that we couldnt even down the eagle. that annoyed me all the more since the eagle is the one who drops the 2 main things that i need ¬.¬

[Kyir]

for my guild, which has all of TK/SSC on farm except for the end bosses (ie kael and vashj), it should really be pretty easy to be honest.
and yet a combination of utter failing by some people, and the fact that we didnt have 10 of our main decently geared raiders online (meaning i had to grab some casuals/trialists) meant that we couldnt even down the eagle. that annoyed me all the more since the eagle is the one who drops the 2 main things that i need ¬.¬

People don't take it seriously enough.

Or maybe the rest of the raid in 25 mans are carrying the bads along?

[IPlayWoW]

A lot of the people who have Tier 5/6 raids on farm don't take ZA seriously because it's no challenge to them, yet they wipe, coincedence?

[The Coder]

Fuckin hell. Up against at least 10 twinks in the 20-29 AB Today. And only a few were from the same server. Wasn't a five cap, but still slaughter.

[AlabamaBoy]

Detheroc

Level forty-five elemental shaman.

Winter's Bite
Mountainside Buckler
Zum'Rah's Vexing Cane

Carrot on a Stick
Cold Basilisk Eye

Turtlescale Helm
Turtlescale Breastplate
Infernal Trickster Leggings
Ancient Grieves of the Falcoln
Rockshard Pauldrons
Arachnid Gloves
Deathmage Sash

Whistle of the Violet Raptor

Flametongue 4
Lightning Shield
Elemental Mastery

On critical hits:

Clearcasting 2
Elemental Devestation
Eye of the Storm

[Wisher]

Fuckin hell. Up against at least 10 twinks in the 20-29 AB Today. And only a few were from the same server. Wasn't a five cap, but still slaughter.

On my twink lock it was full the twinks unite in wsg.. They all stood in front of the flag and afked out after 20 minutes >.>

[The Coder]

ouch...

BG Healing - It's like free honour.

[Wisher]

Now all holy/disci priests can jsut lay SW dot and it does way more damage then before :(

what class is joo 29?

[Megabyte]

ouch...

BG Healing - It's like free honour.

I had a fun time 4 manning down the AV bosses pre-2.3 sometimes with my Pally, with two of my guildies playing as Warrior, Hunter, and Warlock. We would just charge into the keep, cap/kill the archers, and start pulling. Short of me getting dropped by horde rushing us, we'd have it usually wrapped up by the time other allies were getting into the keep.

Got GREAT honor, love those AV weekends. 50k in a single one, without too much effort.

[Wisher]

They made av worse in the new patch imo. KILL TEH RESOURCES ain't as fun.

[Megabyte]

They made av worse in the new patch imo. KILL TEH RESOURCES ain't as fun.

Like I've said, give it time.

I think it'll expand the actual tactics to the whole BG in the long run.

[Wisher]

I could care less, i just liked when it took longer cause i got more honor :).

I still think wsg ftw

[IPlayWoW]

WSG is my favorite, it's just upfront pure pvp. Really works on your abilities as an overall PvP'er, great fun.

[Volcom]

Like I've said, give it time.

I think it'll expand the actual tactics to the whole BG in the long run.

the new av has grown on me, mainly coz on my battlegroup, the horde are really good at taking bases and farming the remaining hks. Im actually enjoying it now

[Wisher]

WSG is my favorite, it's just upfront pure pvp. Really works on your abilities as an overall PvP'er, great fun.

I loveeee wsg.

[The Coder]

I hate WSG, don't have a character high enough for AV. It's nice finally being on the winning side now that I have a horde char in this Battlegroup. It's changed from getting 5 capped every 3 matches to five capping.

[Feel The Magic]

O.O
you guys are obsessed!
O.O

[Wisher]

If you played you would too.

[Feel The Magic]

I don't know, i have enough to do...
but i'll leave the thread alone.

[Megabyte]

what exactly possess someone to come into a topic'd thread they have no interest/knowledge of, and make an ars of themselves?

[The Coder]

Stupidity.

[Feel The Magic]

Wrong.
Curiosity.
Dumbass.
I'll probably get neg bombed for this -_-

[The Coder]

Wrong.
Curiosity.
Dumbass.
I'll probably get neg bombed for this -_-

You should know, curiosity flamed the cat.

[FreddyAdu23]

Ok my friend was over at my house, and i was looking at forums and he saw this thread. He also plays this game (game ur talking about), so i let him read this thread for a while, and now he wants me to ask you

"Holy or Shadow Priest?"

i got no clue what that means but please respond for my friend...

[Spirit_Monger]

I should be able to finally play again tomorrow or Thursday. :)

I'd go Shadow if you're looking for more solo things and a larger amount of fun. Holy if you want to go on raids, group things, etc.
At least that's what I heard .. something like that.

[IPlayWoW]

What Spirit_Monger said.
Except about the raiding part.
A LOT of shadow priests get spots in raid guilds and raids themselves.
They do very nice dps. Put a shadow priest in the MT group and mindflay can help with the heals. Also, shadow priest grouped with an elemental shaman is extremely good. Wrath of air for +101 spell damage and mana spring totem combined means the SP rarely goes oom.
Holy priests are also very much wanted/needed because there are so few (on the realm I play on anyway). They are useful somewhat.
But, at the end of the day, if I was your friend, I'd go shadow.

[The Coder]

I've kinda forgotten about my shadow priest... Druids getting good now.

[Volcom]

if you havnt sen these yet, well ... hehehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLlCfC0bu6Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykb2A4FtyHQ

[IPlayWoW]

Funny, nelf warrior in full T4 riding a level 40 mount :rolleyes:
Good commercials no less :happy:

[The Coder]

Wasn't paying attention during ulda. The tank and I were the only ones left in a 7 vs. 2... We won... I couldn't believe it.

[Megabyte]

Funny, nelf warrior in full T4 riding a level 40 mount :rolleyes:

I can't help but feel that on some level you should be ashamed for that being your initial observation...



And I want to be able to give my NE a mohawk. WTH is up with that?

[Kyir]

I can't help but feel that on some level you should be ashamed for that being your initial observation...



And I want to be able to give my NE a mohawk. WTH is up with that?

If anything, Tauren should get them first!

[Wisher]

Are the Call to Arms! quests gonna be out every day for a certain amount of time or every day for the rest of WOW.

[IPlayWoW]

I can't help but feel that on some level you should be ashamed for that being your initial observation...



And I want to be able to give my NE a mohawk. WTH is up with that?

Meh, when you've been playing WoW as long as I have, you kinda pick up the looks of pretty much all end game item sets etc.
A little fyi though, it wasn't my initial observation, just the only one worth mentioning, especially seeing as a nelf with a mohawk is extremely... wrong.

[Wisher]

You are jealous of him :)


Iplay, how do your chars own so much? >.>

[IPlayWoW]

Erm...
Nelf with a mohawk is like pizza with no topping, just utterly stupid :)

[Megabyte]

Erm...
Nelf with a mohawk is like pizza with no topping, just utterly stupid :)

I pity the foo who don't respect the mohawk

[Spirit_Monger]

Just to make sure ... You get more money selling the ore after you smelt it or whatever, from mining, correct? I think since that seems to be how to advance mining? but I'm not sure ...

Ended up on a great server I was recommended to as well. Dragonmaw. Just crashed I guess. :dry:

[AlabamaBoy]

Bored with WoW atm.

Made another toon, it was a lock, got bored after half an hour.

[IPlayWoW]

You are jealous of him :)


Iplay, how do your chars own so much? >.>

Because I've spent a fair amount of time getting them to where they are.
Not to mention a lot of luck has been involved in drops. Take my paladin for example, Fel-Steel Warhelm and tier 5 shoulders dropped on the same kill, and I won the roll on them both. Just how it goes sometimes.

Just to make sure ... You get more money selling the ore after you smelt it or whatever, from mining, correct? I think since that seems to be how to advance mining? but I'm not sure ...

As always, depends on the server. It also depends on the bars/ore. Take khorium for example, that sells more by the ore. But felsteel sells more by the bar because it has more than 1 mat to make it. All you really need to do is work out a price list by what you can smelt/sell/use. Also checking AH regularly to get an average price on the bars/ores will help a lot to max your profit. Another thing, check the droprates of the ores too :)

[AlabamaBoy]

HA!

Azure Whelpling dropped just killing a few guys in the Swamp of Sorrows.

Say hello to my new blue dragon.

:)

[Spirit_Monger]

As always, depends on the server. It also depends on the bars/ore. Take khorium for example, that sells more by the ore. But felsteel sells more by the bar because it has more than 1 mat to make it. All you really need to do is work out a price list by what you can smelt/sell/use. Also checking AH regularly to get an average price on the bars/ores will help a lot to max your profit. Another thing, check the droprates of the ores too :)

So you can sell both the ore, or a bar and profit from one or the other depending on prices?

Edit: And what's with the yellow names? I went to some Kul'Thezad server, or something like that. Said it was PvP but what names used to be red were yellow. Is that the other player or myself having PvP turned off or something?

[Megabyte]

HA!

Azure Whelpling dropped just killing a few guys in the Swamp of Sorrows.

Say hello to my new blue dragon.

:)

kudos


when I reactivate, I think my first priority will be getting my pally as many vanity pets as I can gather

[IPlayWoW]

So you can sell both the ore, or a bar and profit from one or the other depending on prices?

Indeed.

Edit: And what's with the yellow names? I went to some Kul'Thezad server, or something like that. Said it was PvP but what names used to be red were yellow. Is that the other player or myself having PvP turned off or something?

The difference is, on a PvP server, you always have PvP on when you're in contested territories. PvE or RP realms you don't have that, you have to activate your PvP in order to PvP. You can do that simply by attacking the other factions PvP enabled NPCs or just by attacking some player who has PvP turned on. As for yellow names. Thats when you do not have PvP enabled and the other player on opposite faction does. Giving you a chance to get first shot if you feel like killing him/her/it. You don't get that kind of luxury on PvP realms :p

Hope that clears some stuff up for you.

HA!

Azure Whelpling dropped just killing a few guys in the Swamp of Sorrows.

Say hello to my new blue dragon.

:)

Netherwhelp and Lurky :wub:

[Magic Man]

I heard so many good things about Wow and ive been looking through some of the posts you guys post here. It seems very intresting. I just bought the game and i'm going to set it up tonight. Can anyone please give me instructions on how to set it up? cause i'm not the best with computers.

Thanks -Magic

[Megabyte]

visit the official WoW site, it contains all the info you need to know to get started

[Magic Man]

visit the official WoW site, it contains all the info you need to know to get started

Alright, Thanks. +Rep

[Kyir]

HA!

Azure Whelpling dropped just killing a few guys in the Swamp of Sorrows.

Say hello to my new blue dragon.

:)

My Wulpertinger is clearly better.

[Spirit_Monger]

he difference is, on a PvP server, you always have PvP on when you're in contested territories. PvE or RP realms you don't have that, you have to activate your PvP in order to PvP. You can do that simply by attacking the other factions PvP enabled NPCs or just by attacking some player who has PvP turned on. As for yellow names. Thats when you do not have PvP enabled and the other player on opposite faction does. Giving you a chance to get first shot if you feel like killing him/her/it. You don't get that kind of luxury on PvP realms :p

Hope that clears some stuff up for you.

Ehh, sort of.

Kel'Thuzad PvP

That is the realm I joined. Says it's PvP. Still seeing yellow names.
I think I do have mine turned off since it started on that but yeah.
Could it be because I'm under level 10?

[IPlayWoW]

Nope, but interesting enough I have the answer again, provided you answer this question with the answer I expect I will get.

Where were you when you saw the yellow names?

[Feel The Magic]

You should know, curiosity flamed the cat.
lol!
I'm sorry for posting here. I was in a... weird mood.
I actually am interested, is the game free?

[Spirit_Monger]

Nope, but interesting enough I have the answer again, provided you answer this question with the answer I expect I will get.

Where were you when you saw the yellow names?

First time I was I think near Brill. Not totally sure.

Second time I saw 2 horde take down 1 ally and the other running away, as well as one random one all near the undercity.

Almost 10 so anyone want to suggest a rogue spec to? ;)
Assassination and Combat looked decent.

[Megabyte]

maybe your color scheme is off ;)

[endless]

I heard so many good things about Wow and ive been looking through some of the posts you guys post here. It seems very intresting. I just bought the game and i'm going to set it up tonight. Can anyone please give me instructions on how to set it up? cause i'm not the best with computers.

Thanks -Magic

The one thing i can reccomend.

At first if you don't like the game. Try a different character.

[IPlayWoW]

First time I was I think near Brill. Not totally sure.

Second time I saw 2 horde take down 1 ally and the other running away, as well as one random one all near the undercity.

Almost 10 so anyone want to suggest a rogue spec to? ;)
Assassination and Combat looked decent.

Ignore mega's joke :p
Reason their names were yellow is because you were still in the undead starter zone, all of tirisfal is a starter zone. As is elwynn forest with humans etc etc. Therefore it is friendly territory to you, so your pvp would not turn on. If you were in silverpine forest (next zone down from tirisfal) that is contested territory so your pvp would go on. On pvp servers, your pvp would only turn on automatically if you left a starter zone or a city, your own factions zones or cities of course.

As for rogue spec ill link mine, pretty nice dps from it, but it's more a pvp spec because Genesis have moved into arena a bit, working on our season 3 gear :)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Darkmoon+Faire&n=Adamil

[Kyir]

lol!
I'm sorry for posting here. I was in a... weird mood.
I actually am interested, is the game free?

No.

[Megabyte]

Ignore mega's joke :p
Reason their names were yellow is because you were still in the undead starter zone, all of tirisfal is a starter zone. As is elwynn forest with humans etc etc. Therefore it is friendly territory to you, so your pvp would not turn on. If you were in silverpine forest (next zone down from tirisfal) that is contested territory so your pvp would go on. On pvp servers, your pvp would only turn on automatically if you left a starter zone or a city, your own factions zones or cities of course.

Players of the same faction who are not flagged pvp are Green (or blue? whichever), not yellow. Yellow is only non-flagged enemy faction in their side's controlled turf. I'd find it interesting that a level 10 Ally player would be in the Tirisfall.

[The Nash]

lol!
I'm sorry for posting here. I was in a... weird mood.
I actually am interested, is the game free?
If $15 was free Oprah would still be blowing.

-Nash

[IPlayWoW]

Players of the same faction who are not flagged pvp are Green (or blue? whichever), not yellow. Yellow is only non-flagged enemy faction in their side's controlled turf. I'd find it interesting that a level 10 Ally player would be in the Tirisfall.

You've completely misread.
Players of the same faction are blue if unflagged and green if flagged. Yellow IS flagged players of the enemy faction, red if you both have pvp on, blue if neither of you do. He obviously didn't say level 10 ally, he said he was a level 10 rogue. My bet is that its some ally going to SM that decided to try and cause a bit of trouble. Or just some wannabe trying to solo raid a city. Either way, the ally would be flagged, as tirisfal is unfriendly territory to ally. Whereas, S_M wouldn't because it's friendly to him.
As for the level 10 ally in tirisfal, this reminds me of something our guild did.
We made 2 40 man raids of level 1 gnomes (Genesis and Avatar together) and went to org... It was a riot to say the least :D
Funniest part was when some fire mage came and blast waved us, we were clumped together as one group and he 1 shotted 80 gnomes, pretty funny.

If $15 was free Oprah would still be blowing.

-Nash

Now, what kind of contribution is this, hm? :dry:

[Wisher]

Ok. So how do i set up the public test realm thing (On a mac). cause i just played it at a friends and it is pretty sweet but of course macs are lame and I can't figure it out.

[Spirit_Monger]

As for rogue spec ill link mine, pretty nice dps from it, but it's more a pvp spec because Genesis have moved into arena a bit, working on our season 3 gear :)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Darkmoon+Faire&n=Adamil

Thanks.
I guess the last part in each section of the tree isn't really worth it? Doesn't look like it from playing a rogue so far.

And yeah, I don't know what level the ally were, but I was 10. None tried to kill me so I figured since that and the names were yellow something was different from what I was used to.

Hate leveling in the 10 + - 28 + range. =\

[Megabyte]

Ok. So how do i set up the public test realm thing (On a mac). cause i just played it at a friends and it is pretty sweet but of course macs are lame and I can't figure it out.


goto the WoW site, look at the "test realm" section of the forums, and the instructions (and other related info) are in a stickied thread there.


Should note that the test realm is down for Thanksgiving though.

[IPlayWoW]

Thanks.
I guess the last part in each section of the tree isn't really worth it? Doesn't look like it from playing a rogue so far.

And yeah, I don't know what level the ally were, but I was 10. None tried to kill me so I figured since that and the names were yellow something was different from what I was used to.

Hate leveling in the 10 + - 28 + range. =\

Well, for raids, you'd want nearly full combat spec.
Adrenaline rush and blade flurry are very worth it in raids. Shadowstep is also pretty good from subtlety tree. As for mutilate and vigor from assassination, also very good. I just find that spec works nicely for pvp.
If you want to raid, I'll show you a pretty decent spec for it.

[The Coder]

Thanks.
I guess the last part in each section of the tree isn't really worth it? Doesn't look like it from playing a rogue so far.

And yeah, I don't know what level the ally were, but I was 10. None tried to kill me so I figured since that and the names were yellow something was different from what I was used to.

Hate leveling in the 10 + - 28 + range. =\

Names in yellow mean you can attack them and they can't attack you, it's your choice. They're flagged and you're not.

I'm still trying to figure out getting a char to 70 too, I know once I do it once it's easy to do it again, but doing it once is testing my patiences.

[IPlayWoW]

Yeah, first time 1-70 or the first time in a long time can be really annoying. Once you've done it recently, it's just easy, fly through quests and levels in no time.

Also, thanks for adding that bit, forgot to add it :)

[The Coder]

Thing is I've got a short enough attention span that most of my characters are in their thirties, and one forty...

[Wisher]

Just play your main. Leave the other guys for a while and level like the wind!

[The Coder]

I try to. I really don't have the attention span to.

[Megabyte]

I try to. I really don't have the attention span to.

I get that way too, but I blame the lack of new leveling content more than anything else.

[IPlayWoW]

Heh, the xp nerf really has made leveling easier. I don't understand it if people find it hard to level.

[Spirit_Monger]

I have never gotten higher than 28. :p
Card expired soon after and by the time I bought the next one I moved on to a different character.

I stopped because leveling got boring more than anything else. It's not hard, just seems pretty long and tedious when you aren't enjoying the quests.

[Woodland]

It isn't hard to level, me pala = 56 almost 57 now. :)

[Megabyte]

Heh, the xp nerf really has made leveling easier. I don't understand it if people find it hard to level.

You're taking boring as hard, which is the misconception. It was already easy to level, but making us go through the old content faster doesn't make it any more interesting the 12'th time I'm doing it.

[The Coder]

I have never gotten higher than 28. :p
Card expired soon after and by the time I bought the next one I moved on to a different character.

I stopped because leveling got boring more than anything else. It's not hard, just seems pretty long and tedious when you aren't enjoying the quests.


Yea, my sub was similar, I ended it when I had a 31 priest, gave up and started and got me druid to 42

[Spirit_Monger]

How much RAM do you all have on your computer?

I have like 512 or whatever the minimum is and it took me 10 minutes to get from the entrance to Orgimmar to the mailbox there from all the lag.

Should probably upgrade mine soon.

(RAM is what would reduce that right? =\)

[The Coder]

2g, was running 256 before, the only problem was that whenever I tried to run something other than WoW or more than one mod it would freeze up.

[Megabyte]

How much RAM do you all have on your computer?

I have like 512 or whatever the minimum is and it took me 10 minutes to get from the entrance to Orgimmar to the mailbox there from all the lag.

Should probably upgrade mine soon.

(RAM is what would reduce that right? =\)

Lower the video settings, I run off a POS video card and 512 RAM on my laptop, and it goes alright. The old 40 man raids used to be interesting at times, but I've never had an issue with playing on it.

RAM is just one thing, amongst many, which causes PC lag. Video card, processor speed, outside programs, lack of harddrive space, all and more can cause lag on your end.

If you do want a super-smooth gaming experience with WoW, you'll have to consider upgrading your ram to at least 1gig (more likely 2) and investing in a hefty video processor.

[IPlayWoW]

How much RAM do you all have on your computer?

I have like 512 or whatever the minimum is and it took me 10 minutes to get from the entrance to Orgimmar to the mailbox there from all the lag.

Should probably upgrade mine soon.

(RAM is what would reduce that right? =\)

4gb ram, 3.2ghz dual core processors, T3 internet connection and some Nvidia card. With video settings set right, can have 200+ FPS and lower than 10ms.
Got one of those packard bell media centers and run the internet off my dads home business network.
Blizz suggest 1gb RAM and a dsl connection for smooth gameplay, around 30fps and 100-200ms you should get from that. Which is fairly smooth.

[Magician]

Bored with WoW atm.

Made another toon, it was a lock, got bored after half an hour.

I'll be getting WoW soon. :bigsmile:

We can waste endless hours playing that game together! :p

[Spirit_Monger]

I'm usually fine other than rare times and in a capital city (though mostly Orgimmar)
Might upgrade the RAM sometime but I'll wait until I get my own computer I guess until I get a better processor, more RAM, etc.

I'll try lowering video setting to, thanks Mega.

[Volcom]

i have a good ram had hardrive/graphic card, its the crappy wireless that fucks me!, about 600 - 20000 at least all the time, normal broadband (when im at home is 50ish)
:(

[IPlayWoW]

Try this, turn off Vertical Sync. Usually helps a lot, and set all terrain and detail things to half.

[Volcom]

Try this, turn off Vertical Sync. Usually helps a lot, and set all terrain and detail things to half.

in game ?
Edit: probably wont coz i Fraps ALOT of my Bgs (and general life)

[IPlayWoW]

That was mainly for S_M, but yeah, if you are having trouble, it can help the ms somewhat. Hit esc and then go to video options, do that, could help you a bit.

[Wisher]

Wiped on slabs like 5 times today on second boss >.> Tank was pretty damn bad, heals were good though. Stupid mind control thing fd us bad. We got to the point where we just ran back from graveyard to continue the fight which actually works.

[AlabamaBoy]

I'll be getting WoW soon. :bigsmile:

We can waste endless hours playing that game together! :p

cant wait.

^_^ im going to work on my lock some more

[Spirit_Monger]

Not doing too bad on my rogue. Level 16 with almost 10G and just about all talents (excluding things like lockpicking) are above 75 at least.
Maybe not the best but it's good for me. ;)

I can understand having low drop rates on weapons to, but having them on quest items is just dumb. I spent about 15 minutes killing whitescalps just to get 3 of one thing to drop. :dry:

[Woodland]

4gb ram, 3.2ghz dual core processors, T3 internet connection and some Nvidia card. With video settings set right, can have 200+ FPS and lower than 10ms.
Got one of those packard bell media centers and run the internet off my dads home business network.
Blizz suggest 1gb RAM and a dsl connection for smooth gameplay, around 30fps and 100-200ms you should get from that. Which is fairly smooth.
I'mma just respond to your rep here.

In all honesty, I prefer tanking to DPS. So, that's why I'm sticking with protec.

[IPlayWoW]

Hmm, fair enough then, just it takes a lot longer to level and solo that way. Suggestion is all ;)

[Woodland]

Yeah, me knows it was a suggestion. :p

And to be honest, solo'ing stuff has been pretty easy. Haven't had any trouble really, for the moment. We'll see if it gets hard when I start Outland, halfway to 58. :)

[IPlayWoW]

Grats, outland is easier than azeroth in my opinion, by the time you go to outlands you'll be 60 the same day, it's that easy for those levels. 62 could even be possible.

[AlabamaBoy]

Got two whelpling drops this week.

Sold the emerald for 600g kept my azure.

[IPlayWoW]

600g?! Lol, there's enough mugs on WoW to make people rich :p

[AlabamaBoy]

600g is nothing.

Epic flyer is about seven times that.

[Kyir]

Starting my epic push to get a Bloodsail Title on the Suggestions forum.

also,
http://www.darklegacycomics.com/117.jpg

[IPlayWoW]

Classic :rofl:

[Kyir]

I used to cover up the Org mailbox when I was bored.

Fun times.

[IPlayWoW]

600g is nothing.

Epic flyer is about seven times that.

I know, and I have it on all my 70s, just 600g for that pet just aint worth it :p

[Wisher]

Ok what is better for a BM hunter.

Terrok's quill or crystalforged waraxe?

Also, which enchant is best?

[IPlayWoW]

Crystal forged and savagery.

[Wisher]

How much does sav cost cause just about everyone says "Sorry i don't have that enchant" :(

[AlabamaBoy]

The Azure Whelpling sells for 1200... hehe.

[IPlayWoW]

How much does sav cost cause just about everyone says "Sorry i don't have that enchant" :(

On my realm it costs 100-150.

[Spirit_Monger]

Is being able to walk into (physically being inside the bank) the bank in Undercity a glitch or could you always just walk through the window-ish things?

And anyone have any advice for looking for/finding a good guild to join, at least for my level 17 character?

[IPlayWoW]

Nope, you've always been able to get inside UC bank.

As for guilds on WoW, I suggest doing what Megabytes sticky about clans on TAO says.

[Wisher]

Woot got sonic spear from slabs today. Group was actually better then 2 days ago :)

I got savagery on it too :!

[IPlayWoW]

Grats mate.
Sonic spear + Savagery is the best hunter weapon pre raid. I had it on Ruckus way back when :)

[The Coder]

I started back on my old pally again... Respecced him prot, got him a shield spike....

[IPlayWoW]

Why all the paladins going prot to level? :confused:
Retri a hell of a lot quicker and easier, and less down time.

[The Coder]

Why all the paladins going prot to level? :confused:
Retri a hell of a lot quicker and easier, and less down time.

I hated ret.

The shield spike was a surprisingly good investment.

[Wisher]

They go prot so they can:avenger's shield then spam holy shield and blessing of sanctuary

[Megabyte]

Why all the paladins going prot to level? :confused:
Retri a hell of a lot quicker and easier, and less down time.

No it doesn't, prot's been fastest since 2.1 for 35-70


Multi-melee mob pulls, use combo of blessing/judgment of wisdom/light. AE damage maxed up you wipe down up to 10 mobs in a single fight with no downtime. As long as you know a good group of mobs for your level to exp farm, you're set.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71849064&sid=1

[Spirit_Monger]

Nope, you've always been able to get inside UC bank.

As for guilds on WoW, I suggest doing what Megabytes sticky about clans on TAO says.

Thanks. Just joined one that said they mainly did instances and help with leveling which is what I might need, at least the instance part of it.
See how it turns out soon. ;)

[IPlayWoW]

No it doesn't, prot's been fastest since 2.1 for 35-70


Multi-melee mob pulls, use combo of blessing/judgment of wisdom/light. AE damage maxed up you wipe down up to 10 mobs in a single fight with no downtime. As long as you know a good group of mobs for your level to exp farm, you're set.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71849064&sid=1

Maybe so, but I'm always staying retri. Tried prot, and in my opinion it sucks, really does.

[Walrus]

currently im AWOL as far as WoW goes. really pissed off about what happened on saturday night - i had posted a ZA raid for saturday (which is an offday for us) and gotten a few signups. logged on at 7, with half an hour to go before i started the raid invites, check the guild tab and what do i see? half of my signed people are already in ZA, so i ask why, and apparently one of the other raidleaders had just decided that since he couldnt make the raid at the time i had posted, he would start his own ZA raid a few hours before, and invite half of the people signed for my raid to come along, without even posted his own raid on the forums etc.

im basically tired of this type of crap happening, and getting my teeth into hellgate: london currently.

ps prot > retri > holy.

[IPlayWoW]

Personal preferences on specs, I play better as retri then holy then prot, I simply suck at tanking :D

As for that ZA raid, that sucks, should talk to the officers about it too.

[The Coder]

And I'm bored with the pally again. Back to my rogue...

I have serious attention span issues.

[Kyir]

And I'm bored with the pally again. Back to my rogue...

I have serious attention span issues.

Who doesn't?

[The Coder]

Who doesn't?

My mom. She's freakin' focused as shit.

[Spirit_Monger]

Rogues are actually a blast to play, at least for me. Didn't think it would be.
Warlocks are cooler but the rogue might be funner.

Doing pretty well in WSG with it. :)

What should the minimum crits be for a level 19, non-twinked, rogue?

[Megabyte]

currently im AWOL as far as WoW goes. really pissed off about what happened on saturday night - i had posted a ZA raid for saturday (which is an offday for us) and gotten a few signups. logged on at 7, with half an hour to go before i started the raid invites, check the guild tab and what do i see? half of my signed people are already in ZA, so i ask why, and apparently one of the other raidleaders had just decided that since he couldnt make the raid at the time i had posted, he would start his own ZA raid a few hours before, and invite half of the people signed for my raid to come along, without even posted his own raid on the forums etc.

im basically tired of this type of crap happening, and getting my teeth into hellgate: london currently.

ps prot > retri > holy.

Which is odd, since I went from your apparent best to worst ;) I'm happy keeping my boy as a holy pally these days, though. I have 3 lvl70 healer classes, and I don't use either of the other 2 for that purpose (very often at least), so it works out for me.

good on yah for taking a break though. I find anytime I get myself annoyed about such things, it's time for a change.

[NeverKnowsBest.]

I have a level 70 undead rogue on Doomhammer server. No epics atm... /cry In the process of geting keyed for Kara. This is my first toon so im pretty excited to see all the phat letwz i'll get. Also twinking out a hunter considering how OP they are.

[Spirit_Monger]

Hunters are gay. Shoot me from 50 feet away so i don't stand a chance but they suck when i can get close enough.

Just got out of a frigging 2.5 hour long WSG ...
I had like 25K damage and 8 returns, 1 capture. Highest dmg was 65K, rounded off.

It was the best/most fun WSG I've ever played except our healer left or dc'd so eventually the ally won since they had like 2 healers. :(

[IPlayWoW]

Also twinking out a hunter considering how OP they are.

Hunters suck at anything below 50. OP at 19, that's just funny. Actually they aren't OP at all. Mages, locks and retri paladins are all far more OP than hunters.

[Megabyte]

Hunters are gay. Shoot me from 50 feet away so i don't stand a chance but they suck when i can get close enough.


Yeah, those damn gays....using their classes' strength against you. They must be some real dicks in the real world. I also hate it when mages cast spells that hurt me. I mean, I totally kick their asses if they don't do that.

[IPlayWoW]

Like telling a rogue not to stealth cos they might win.

[Spirit_Monger]

Yeah, those damn gays....using their classes' strength against you. They must be some real dicks in the real world. I also hate it when mages cast spells that hurt me. I mean, I totally kick their asses if they don't do that.

:p

Was frustrated from all the hunter twinks from WSG. Kinda gets to you after being killed for 2.5 hours at 3:30 am from 3 different twinks, or it at least got to me.
They kill me 8/10 times.

Used to feel the same about rogues when I was a lock since they'd all be twinked and fears would stop working after 4.

[The Coder]

The one frustrating thing about hunters is just that even if they've got little skill, they've got a fair shot against you.

I can't wait till my rogue gets kidney shot. I've been practicing stunlocking somewhat, just doing cheap shots then gouging then eviscerating, but it'll be nice to do the whole thing

[AlabamaBoy]

Sap

Guage Pet

Ghostly Strike

Backstab

Then whip out the combos 'till they die.

[The Coder]

You forget the inevitable flare + freezing trap.

[AlabamaBoy]

I see traps on my rogue.

Passive ability.

SO unless you're fighting much higher level hunters you should be fine.

[The Coder]

I know. What I'm saying is, then you really can't get the jump on them.

[Walrus]

Like telling a rogue not to stealth cos they might win.

believe it or not, when i play my rogue (who is basically just a pvp char for the time being) and hit the durotar duelling area, a surprising amount of people complain massively about me using cooldowns, bandages, and blind (the latter two often in conjunction).
i mean damn, i thought the days of whinging about rogue cooldowns were long gone, its not like i wait 10 mins for every fight so i always have prep ready - i just use my cooldowns when i need them, and dont whine if i lose a duel because i didnt have a certain cooldown available.

i remember duelling a Skill Within hunter, who sure enough pops his godmode, trinkets up and rapidfires at the very start, so i get out of his flare and vanish, wait for godmode to end and then slaughter him..."WAAAAAAAAAAAH" "fucking lame tactics omg ffs noob".
same when a mage pops their water elemental and i vanish and wait for the thing to time out (usually waiting for cloak of shadows at the same time)...they whine and whine and whine.

[The Coder]

I fought a warrior on my lock. He whined "No Fear" and "No Pet"

[AlabamaBoy]

Rogues are f'd against shammies.

Magma totem + Earthbind

Anything AoE is bad for rogues.

[HorNeT]

believe it or not, when i play my rogue (who is basically just a pvp char for the time being) and hit the durotar duelling area, a surprising amount of people complain massively about me using cooldowns, bandages, and blind (the latter two often in conjunction).
i mean damn, i thought the days of whinging about rogue cooldowns were long gone, its not like i wait 10 mins for every fight so i always have prep ready - i just use my cooldowns when i need them, and dont whine if i lose a duel because i didnt have a certain cooldown available.

i remember duelling a Skill Within hunter, who sure enough pops his godmode, trinkets up and rapidfires at the very start, so i get out of his flare and vanish, wait for godmode to end and then slaughter him..."WAAAAAAAAAAAH" "fucking lame tactics omg ffs noob".
same when a mage pops their water elemental and i vanish and wait for the thing to time out (usually waiting for cloak of shadows at the same time)...they whine and whine and whine.

Sounds like you play smart, while you're playing stupid people.

[Volcom]

Rogues are f'd against shammies.

Magma totem + Earthbind

Anything AoE is bad for rogues.

tbh, that realy doesn't work as well as you'd think, most rogues/anyone can see the "ticks" and still time a good stunlock. and a simple auto attack solves the earthbind

[AlabamaBoy]

Not in time to avoid a elemental mastery combo.

I can four shot a rogue my level.

Elemental Mastery, Fire Nova Totem, Chain lightning, Frost Shock, and one slice with my axe.

Did it outside of org last night.

[IPlayWoW]

Elemental shammys can beat rogues, sometimes. Enhancement shammies are simply screwed against rogues. Not once seen a skilled enhancement shammy beat a skilled rogue 1v1, it just doesn't happen.

As for hunters blowing all their cooldowns in the first few seconds of the fight, that's just stupid, makes you a sitting duck against melee classes, rogues especially.

[NeverKnowsBest.]

My hunter twinks going to be 29 not 19. Maybe my opinions biased being a rogue from dueling standpoint were they sit on a freeze trap and flare.
But since i respeced to sublety it doesnt matter anymore i fair alot better verse all classes especialy hunters.

[Kyir]

tbh, that realy doesn't work as well as you'd think, most rogues/anyone can see the "ticks" and still time a good stunlock. and a simple auto attack solves the earthbind

Shaman can kite with Frostshock anyway now, Earthbind isn't necessary at all times.

[Wisher]

Hunters aren't OP..maybe in 19 bracket because they can spam wingclip on melee but trinket out of that :).

[Megabyte]

Hunters aren't OP..maybe in 19 bracket because they can spam wingclip on melee but trinket out of that :).

Hunter's are a lot more of a problem at 29 than at 19, imo.

[Wisher]

Yeah they are, but at 29 most classes have their slows too.

Rogues get cheap shot and all that crap, if we are still talking about how hunters are OP(?) against rogues

[The Coder]

I. Love. Auctioneer.

Buying Leather. Crafting Pants. Disenchanting them. Selling the nethers/shards/dream dust.

[Army Of One]

70 Undead mage, 70 human pally, and 70 tauren warrior ftw, /owned

[Wisher]

Justin still posts? O.o I remember yous :)

[The Coder]

Yeah they are, but at 29 most classes have their slows too.

Rogues get cheap shot and all that crap, if we are still talking about how hunters are OP(?) against rogues

Yea hillarious stuff. Both my alliance chars and horde chars are in the same battlegroup, my rogue's 28, trying to get all the tokens for gear. I'd repeatedly do the kidney shot -less stunlock on this one priest, killing him each time. We'd still end up loosing AB each game, but when I got sick and moved to my 28 shaman, I started talking with him... He's quite ticked off apparently.

[Megabyte]

I. Love. Auctioneer.


Yah, I turned my main bank char into an auctioneer mule for the rest of my characters as well. Great thing, as long as you're willing to spend the time on it.

[Wisher]

I cant decide which chars make the better twinks..both usually end up with same gear, but alliance in my battlegroup always premade..Probably just cause twinks unite always come on to pwn our face. -.-

[The Coder]

Alliance in my battlegroup are the only ones with premades, but only once every few weeks do you encounter them. Horde's always got at least 5 twinks in AB and 3 in WSG.

[***Duo***]

Are there any funny videos of PvP in World of Warcraft I can check out VIA Youtube?


-Duo

[The Coder]

I'm finally over my self consciousness about lack of a mount in BGs. Ally seems good in the 40-49 for a change.

[IPlayWoW]

I cant decide which chars make the better twinks..both usually end up with same gear, but alliance in my battlegroup always premade..Probably just cause twinks unite always come on to pwn our face. -.-

Make a 49 twink. A huge range of great gear to choose from. Or a 39 twink retri paladin/warrior. SM gear is purpose built for twinks :)

[Kyir]

Are there any funny videos of PvP in World of Warcraft I can check out VIA Youtube?


-Duo

There's a video of a fury warrior beating me by 200 life because he had a level 30 hunter picking off my totems.

Pretty funny.

Just search Kyir.

[The Coder]

Uggh. An entire guild is just sitting around the treasure in Gurubashi...

[Wisher]

Make a 49 twink. A huge range of great gear to choose from. Or a 39 twink retri paladin/warrior. SM gear is purpose built for twinks :)

Meh, I'd rather keep my lock at 39. When i decide to level him i will stop at 49 too >.>

[Kyir]

I <3 my level 2 warrior.

Made him a guild called <Patron God of PvP>

[IPlayWoW]

Meh, I'd rather keep my lock at 39. When i decide to level him i will stop at 49 too >.>

There's a guy on darkmoon faire horde. Level 39 twink orc lock, damn near the best twink in our battlegroup. Has about 300 bonus shadow damage, crits 1.8k shadowbolt. If only I could remember his name, begins with an E, but yeah, lock twinks are insanely overpowered if geared right. He has staff of jordan with soulfrost and 2 underworld bands, and every single end game caster enchant.

[Spirit_Monger]

If you ever find out who it was link his armory if you can please?
Love seeing twink locks.

I remember playing one in WSG a while ago, led in damage and was pretty damn good.
Then you have the other locks who aren't twinks and are shooting with their wands for like 20 damage tops ...

[Wisher]

It's not hardd to be good with a lock.

CoA
Corruptioin
siphon life
life tap
Drain life

That's actually how you grind with no down time then you spam dark pact for mana, but it owns in pvp as well.

[IPlayWoW]

Spells mixed up there mate. No such thing as dark pact, closest thing to it is Blood Pact with is buff for +stam off the imp. Life tap is the gain mana spell at the cost of health. Life tap combined with drain life a lock can never go oom and rarely die.

And sure, if I can remember his name I'll link armory.

[The Coder]

I <3 my level 2 warrior.

Made him a guild called <Patron God of PvP>

Don't tell me. He'll be a MS warrior

It's not hardd to be good with a lock.

CoA
Corruptioin
siphon life
life tap
Drain life

That's actually how you grind with no down time then you spam dark pact for mana, but it owns in pvp as well.

That's what pisses me off. Locks dominate the PvP damage table by spending 5 seconds to DoT you up then they walk off to do it again to someone else. Even if they don't kill you, they've still left a huge mark on the damage done tables.

Spells mixed up there mate. No such thing as dark pact, closest thing to it is Blood Pact with is buff for +stam off the imp. Life tap is the gain mana spell at the cost of health. Life tap combined with drain life a lock can never go oom and rarely die.

And sure, if I can remember his name I'll link armory.

Dark Pact is an Affliction Talent that allows you to drain mana from your pet. Usually you use an imp for it's high mana regeneration.

[Spirit_Monger]

It's not extremely hard but you have to have some common sense and realize their strengths and weaknesses as with any other character. Lots of people I see don't do that.
That applies to every character though anyway.

Like I said I always see someone trying to use a wand/staff/dagger as the primary damage while their pet sits there or runs around recklessly and they have full mana.

[***Duo***]

There's a video of a fury warrior beating me by 200 life because he had a level 30 hunter picking off my totems.

Pretty funny.

Just search Kyir.

Interesting match.
"That shaman is Kyir he is a miserable little prick on Farstriders sever. This dude will bitch about anything and everything. He may be a woman he bitch's so much. He thinks he is some PvP God even though all he does is heal heal heal lol. He sux"
Interesting comments, too.


-Duo

[Kyir]

Don't tell me. He'll be a MS warrior




Not going to level him.

[Kyir]

Interesting match.
"That shaman is Kyir he is a miserable little prick on Farstriders sever. This dude will bitch about anything and everything. He may be a woman he bitch's so much. He thinks he is some PvP God even though all he does is heal heal heal lol. He sux"
Interesting comments, too.


-Duo

People get pissed because they can't kill me, I heal myself while killing others, I heal other people at the same time, 2 heals, I rule.

[***Duo***]

People get pissed because they can't kill me, I heal myself while killing others, I heal other people at the same time, 2 heals, I rule.

And that's why I like Vanguard PvP.
^^


-Duo

[Kyir]

And that's why I like Vanguard PvP.
^^


-Duo

Either way, people just don't like things that challenge them.

Unless they're great at the game, like me.

[***Duo***]

Either way, people just don't like things that challenge them.

Unless they're great at the game, like me.

I wouldn't say that's true for most cases.


-Duo

[NeverKnowsBest.]

Uh yea Im still trying to convince my one lowbie friend that using a +str sword as a warlock is ridiculous, but noobs are noobs.

[Warcow]

People get pissed because they can't kill me, I heal myself while killing others, I heal other people at the same time, 2 heals, I rule.

To point oh, oh god of PvP . . .

You got killed by a clicking Fury warrior . . .

Your ES passively heals nearly as much damage as he can do.

[Ächilles]

Warcow.

:cool:

[Warcow]

Warcow.

:cool:

:eek:

[***Duo***]

Warcow.

:cool:

And obviously Ach would beat everyone to this.


-Duo

[Kyir]

To point oh, oh god of PvP . . .

You got killed by a clicking Fury warrior . . .

Your ES passively heals nearly as much damage as he can do.

Wasn't paying attention to what was going on, Hunter's killing my totems, and letting any sort of warrior stay in melee range for too long is a bad idea.

Plus I'm hella undergeared right there.

and hi2u Cow.

I wouldn't say that's true for most cases.


-Duo

I was kidding >.>

Most people on my server just shit their pants when PvP happens though.

I also have video footage of me beating him later, just so you know, musta been a bad day.

[***Duo***]

Wasn't paying attention to what was going on, Hunter's killing my totems, and letting any sort of warrior stay in melee range for too long is a bad idea.

Plus I'm hella undergeared right there.

and hi2u Cow.



I was kidding >.>

Most people on my server just shit their pants when PvP happens though.

I also have video footage of me beating him later, just so you know, musta been a bad day.

I know. :wink2:

Really? Seems oddly familiar.

Alright, where's it at?


-Duo

[Megabyte]

Most overmatched 1v1 pvp fights?


I say prot pally vs any spec rogue.

[Kyir]

I know. :wink2:

Really? Seems oddly familiar.

Alright, where's it at?


-Duo

My filefront, I have to bail off the comp for now, I'll hook you up with it tomorrow.

[IPlayWoW]

Most overmatched 1v1 pvp fights?


I say prot pally vs any spec rogue.

Or prot pally vs holy pally... or holy vs holy. Seen one of those fights last longer than 45 mins.

[Kyir]

http://files.filefront.com/Kyir+v+Ollianwmv/;8623339;/fileinfo.html

Me winning.

Sorry bout the music, joke/bet gone wrong.

[Megabyte]

Or prot pally vs holy pally... or holy vs holy. Seen one of those fights last longer than 45 mins.

that wouldn't really be overmatched then, would it?

[The Coder]

I actually managed to beat a pally 1 vs. 1 on my rogue.

[Megabyte]

a pally is easy, a prot pally though...

[IPlayWoW]

Say that to a retadin who knows how to play :)

[The Coder]

Shouldn't nearly every competent pally be able to beat a rogue in a 1 vs. 1, if equally geared? Excluding insane amounts of luck.

[Megabyte]

Shouldn't nearly every competent pally be able to beat a rogue in a 1 vs. 1, if equally geared? Excluding insane amounts of luck.

I suppose with the changes to healing gear, I could accept that these days.

Pre-patch though, holy really got shafted against...well, everything.

[Liquid Swordsman]

http://files.filefront.com/Kyir+v+Ollianwmv/;8623339;/fileinfo.html

Me winning.

Sorry bout the music, joke/bet gone wrong.

watching that video I can't tell what's going on. Who are you? Where are you? Why are there so many little boxes on the bottom left corner of the screen? Are you killing something?

wow is right

[Kyir]

Spells those boxes are.

Many there be.

[Warcow]

AR/Prep Maces will tear through anything 1v1, including your vaunted prot Pally.

The spec is unbelieveably dominant, the only thing that stands a chance is a Warrior built specifically for tearing apart rogues (Blood Craze, 11 deep in prot for last stand, MS) there were some pretty intense videos of the best of the best rogues testing out AR/Prep on PTR against the worlds best on worldofming.

The incredible hemo changes, coupled with more openers than can be believed, in addition to double AR is just . . . scary.

[Kyir]

For some reason Rogues always seem harder when they jump me :X

[Megabyte]

AR/Prep Maces will tear through anything 1v1, including your vaunted prot Pally.


60+% damage reduc, 70+% block during most of the fight, not to mention dodge and parries.

Rogue just get worn down by pally's, it's just a numbers game as the rogue desperately tries to hit and crit enough times over the pally talent procs.

[The Coder]

For some reason Rogues always seem harder when they jump me :X

OMG ME 2!!!!11

[Wisher]

Good thing is you can pop bestial wrath during theire lame stuns now.

[speaker4thedead]

AR/Prep Maces will tear through anything 1v1, including your vaunted prot Pally.

The spec is unbelieveably dominant, the only thing that stands a chance is a Warrior built specifically for tearing apart rogues (Blood Craze, 11 deep in prot for last stand, MS) there were some pretty intense videos of the best of the best rogues testing out AR/Prep on PTR against the worlds best on worldofming.

The incredible hemo changes, coupled with more openers than can be believed, in addition to double AR is just . . . scary.

OMG its Warcow....

[Kyir]

OMG its Warcow....

Read the last page -_-

[IPlayWoW]

Good thing is you can pop bestial wrath during theire lame stuns now.

If you had beast within you always could.

[The Coder]

The iWin button, with a 3 minute cooldown.
My druid got his pants now.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29970
Oh so happy about it. And I'll finally have my mount tomorrow if even half of the stuff I've got on AH sells. It's all enchanting mats. It's got a good history with me.
I'm looking forward to leveling tomorrow. For once...

[Warcow]

60+% damage reduc, 70+% block during most of the fight, not to mention dodge and parries.

Rogue just get worn down by pally's, it's just a numbers game as the rogue desperately tries to hit and crit enough times over the pally talent procs.

Wont even come close to stopping it, besides the fact that you can't dodge block or parry while stunned.

Despite all that, it's not the raw damage that kills plate wearers, they just get bled to death.

3 or more opener garrotes, 5 point ruptures constantly fueled by double AR, and next to 0 opportunities to attack the rogue at all. On top of which, any time you're out of stun, good rogues cover themselves with evasion, which they again can pop twice. Shield spike/ret aura be damned, you're not going to wear down the rogue.

Considering the average prot pally carries a mana pool of roughly 5-5.5k, (I'm not sure about T6, you don't see many) a few concecrates, a couple judgements and you're pretty much oom.

A Dwarf Pally would stand the best chance, but I have yet to see anyone consistantly take down an Arena geared AR/Prep rogue beyond Serennia, the world's best warrior. (He was specced a gimp spec on PTR's to take down rogues specifically, and even then it was close)

[Megabyte]

3 or more opener garrotes, 5 point ruptures constantly fueled by double AR, and next to 0 opportunities to attack the rogue at all. On top of which, any time you're out of stun, good rogues cover themselves with evasion, which they again can pop twice. Shield spike/ret aura be damned, you're not going to wear down the rogue.

Considering the average prot pally carries a mana pool of roughly 5-5.5k, (I'm not sure about T6, you don't see many) a few concecrates, a couple judgements and you're pretty much oom.

A Dwarf Pally would stand the best chance, but I have yet to see anyone consistantly take down an Arena geared AR/Prep rogue beyond Serennia, the world's best warrior. (He was specced a gimp spec on PTR's to take down rogues specifically, and even then it was close)

Won't bother going through it all, as I'm not here to convince you otherwise. Obviously though, based on the things you're tossing out, you're not accustomed too (or seen too many) fights involving protection pally's. Not unusual, considering they're PvE specced and obviously not involved in arena's, but you should still check it out.

You're ignoring a lot of talents and abilities while referring to basic lvl 20+ prot tactics (a LOT of other things come into play than simply shield spike and ret, which aren't even often used at 70). Not to mention you're mis-representing the way a prot pally would properly use his abilities.

While Prot pally's shine in PvE vs multiple targets, the basic single target strength is specifically designed against fast hitting melee. Rogue's were my bread and butter, the one thing that was basically a guaranteed kill.

[Warcow]

Won't bother going through it all, as I'm not here to convince you otherwise. Obviously though, based on the things you're tossing out, you're not accustomed too (or seen too many) fights involving protection pally's. Not unusual, considering they're PvE specced and obviously not involved in arena's, but you should still check it out.

You're ignoring a lot of talents and abilities while referring to basic lvl 20+ prot tactics (a LOT of other things come into play than simply shield spike and ret, which aren't even often used at 70). Not to mention you're mis-representing the way a prot pally would properly use his abilities.

While Prot pally's shine in PvE vs multiple targets, the basic single target strength is specifically designed against fast hitting melee. Rogue's were my bread and butter, the one thing that was basically a guaranteed kill.

I can only assume you're reffering to stoicism, reckoning, and perhaps BoSanc, which are still not going to output enough damage to equal that of the rogue. If I'm missing something, please let me know. Remember that most mace rogues are using 2.6 weapons, and blowing combo points mostly on expose armor, rupture or stuns, so they're not attacking anywhere near as fast as your typical PvE dagger or sword rogue. Have you dueled any AR/Prep rogues since the patch?

[CRX687]

I can only assume you're reffering to stoicism, reckoning, and perhaps BoSanc, which are still not going to output enough damage to equal that of the rogue. If I'm missing something, please let me know. Remember that most mace rogues are using 2.6 weapons, and blowing combo points mostly on expose armor, rupture or stuns, so they're not attacking anywhere near as fast as your typical PvE dagger or sword rogue. Have you dueled any AR/Prep rogues since the patch?

I'm no expert on WOW, but...
why don't you two just face each other and see who wins?

[AlabamaBoy]

Different severs probably.

[Warcow]

I'm no expert on WOW, but...
why don't you two just face each other and see who wins?

I'm not a rogue, I'm basing most of this off of Blogs of the highest rated PvPers in WoW, my experiences as a fully arena geared resto druid (a class/spec combo with probably the single most survivability in game.) multiple videos, ESport WoW tournaments etc.

The fact is, Paladins are the single easiest class to lock down in the entire game, they have no escape mechanics really beyond BoF and Two bubbles that trigger a debuff that wont allow them to be used back to back.

Rogues are a lockdown class, no decent rogue will ever allow even a Holy Pally a full heal beyond holy shock when they aren't bubbled or being aided in kiting by some second party.

I'm not massively familiar with Protection Paladin strategies, it's true. However, given massive cooldown abuse most classes don't even have a chance to really fight back against a well geared AR/Prep rogue anymore. A prot Paladin lacking any form of instant heal, notoriusly low damage and generally being an all around PvE oriented talent tree, I don't even see where the Pally effectively gets a chance to fight back.

[AlabamaBoy]

I've had some difficulty with rogues on my shaman, where my only defense tactic was to throw up earth bind and magma totems and use insignia of the horde.

Considering I'm not specced for melee combat, after that I have to frost shock, plant searing totems and continue shocking. If I alternate between frost and fire shock they can't stealth though.

[Megabyte]

As he says, he's not a rogue, and obviously not a pally. I have played both at 70 ;) But his outside reading must obviously top out my practical experience, work, and study. Sarcasm for the slow ones out there :)

Anyways, as I've said, not my job to change his mind, simply pointing out the realities of my experiences. I've already stated he's limiting the prot pally's use (a LOT), but I'm not gonna work around explanations for the combat techs of 2 classes he's basing out on theory. That he simply says something like "no escape mechanics beyond BoF and bubbles" tells me enough that you're basing this off of a lot of guess and incorrect assumptions. It's just too much effort to explain out the battle mechanics of the 2 classes to someone who hasn't had the experience at it themselves (for no practical purpose at least). Plus you get the silliness cow references in these blogs make concepts seem as absolutes, which they never (ever) are, and I think causes the root of the misconceptions.

Playing him and demonstrating would be a good thing to do, CRX, but even if Cow did have the necessary chars he'd need to also be on my realm (or at least the same battlegroup). Not a likely practical solution for us, unfortunately.

Bah, my bad for letting this continue as much as it has. I forget how invested some people become in their WoW opinions, to the point of single minded definitions beyond all discussion. I'm as guilty of it as others at times, though, so I probably shouldn't talk ;)

[IPlayWoW]

Rant time.

Warcow, seeing as you don't have a rogue, you can't really talk, blogs aren't always right you know.

I have a rogue, with full S2 when I pvp'ed on it. I can tell you now, the few prot pallys I did fight ended up getting one over on me from simply lasting so long. They go oom they still have seal of wisdom to build it back up again. Holy shield and redoubt you're missing out, those combined together you can have upto 90% block and damage your opponent at the same time, usually for about 250 per block with holy shield alone. Which slowly, but most definately surely, wears a rogue down to defeat. Also they can throw off the occasional avenger's shield for 700+ non crit and dazes you. Rogues are overrated. They might be a stunlocking class, but the days a rogue could stunlock 100-0% hp are long over, especially vs tanks.

As for rogues beating any class, not true. Even my retri paladin never loses to rogues, regardless of spec. Rogues are not hard to beat if you know what you're doing. Yes they are a good pvp class, but there are many better. Hunter, lock, frost mage for starters.

[Warcow]

They go oom they still have seal of wisdom to build it back up again. Holy shield and redoubt you're missing out, those combined together you can have upto 90% block and damage your opponent at the same time, usually for about 250 per block with holy shield alone. Which slowly, but most definately surely, wears a rogue down to defeat. Also they can throw off the occasional avenger's shield for 700+ non crit and dazes you. Rogues are overrated. They might be a stunlocking class, but the days a rogue could stunlock 100-0% hp are long over, especially vs tanks.

As for rogues beating any class, not true. Even my retri paladin never loses to rogues, regardless of spec. Rogues are not hard to beat if you know what you're doing. Yes they are a good pvp class, but there are many better. Hunter, lock, frost mage for starters.

You're right, why would the reports of the top Arena players in the world be a reliable source of info about PvP :rolleyes:

First off, why are you being hit so that seal of wisdom is allowing them to regen? Evasion will bring your avoidance to near 100%, and they don't have overpower. IF you're not covering the gaps in your stunlock with a well timed evasion, you're terrible.

Why are you allowing a casted spell to go off when you can kick, locking down their ONLY school for six seconds, if kick is down, how about gouge? Blind? Vanish to Kidney, another Cheapshot? If all that fails, mace stun will probably proc. They have no snare to kite you with, and if you're not using Boar's speed or a runspeed Meta, you fail as a PvP'er.

Sorry, but if you're losing to ret pallies on an AR/Prep rogue, you're a terrible rogue.

Conclusion: It doesn't sound like you ever were more than an average rogue.

I bring you this challenge Mega, show me one video of a prot Pally taking down the current version of the 2.3 AR/Prep rogue. Again, I'm not talking about any rogue spec in the past, because this one blows them all out of the water. You're straight lying about prot pallies having more escape mechanics than that, they don't. HoJ + running doesn't count, it can be CLoS'd, or trinketed and wont ever stick.

You might want to pretend that not having played either class means I have no knowledge of the workings of either, but it's just straight not true. In addition to being a hardcore PvP junkie that follows the top PVPers prety religiously, constantly monitors PTRs and changes I was a raid leader for a year and a half.

Watch some of the new videos of Neilyo, or Ming and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Kyir]

I'm not a rogue, I'm basing most of this off of Blogs of the highest rated PvPers in WoW, my experiences as a fully arena geared resto druid (a class/spec combo with probably the single most survivability in game.) multiple videos, ESport WoW tournaments etc.


Good played Resto Druid is almost impossible to kill in 2s and 3s :(

[Megabyte]

OK, OK! I promise, done with this topic after this. I'll put cow on ignore to avoid reading it if that's what it takes to avoid continuing on it, promise!

You're right, why would the reports of the top Arena players in the world be a reliable source of info about PvP :rolleyes:

First off, why are you being hit so that seal of wisdom is allowing them to regen? Evasion will bring your avoidance to near 100%, and they don't have overpower. IF you're not covering the gaps in your stunlock with a well timed evasion, you're terrible.

Why are you allowing a casted spell to go off when you can kick, locking down their ONLY school for six seconds, if kick is down, how about gouge? Blind? Vanish to Kidney, another Cheapshot? If all that fails, mace stun will probably proc. They have no snare to kite you with, and if you're not using Boar's speed or a runspeed Meta, you fail as a PvP'er.

Sorry, but if you're losing to ret pallies on an AR/Prep rogue, you're a terrible rogue.

Conclusion: It doesn't sound like you ever were more than an average rogue.

I bring you this challenge Mega, show me one video of a prot Pally taking down the current version of the 2.3 AR/Prep rogue. Again, I'm not talking about any rogue spec in the past, because this one blows them all out of the water. You're straight lying about prot pallies having more escape mechanics than that, they don't. HoJ + running doesn't count, it can be CLoS'd, or trinketed and wont ever stick.

You might want to pretend that not having played either class means I have no knowledge of the workings of either, but it's just straight not true. In addition to being a hardcore PvP junkie that follows the top PVPers prety religiously, constantly monitors PTRs and changes I was a raid leader for a year and a half.

Watch some of the new videos of Neilyo, or Ming and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Cow, I just really hate to laugh at you...but I am. Why would reports by PvP'ers be exclusively conclusive, and reversely why would we be unreliable?

You don't play a rogue, don't play a pally...but are so stuck into your thinking that you can brook no argument. We're not pretending that not having played the discussed classes means you don't have practical knowledge of their workings, we're outright saying it. You're the one entering the discussion with the total knowledge of "I've read these blogs and watched these vids" as your form of knowledge. Doesn't cut it elsewhere compared to people's practical experience and knowledge, why would it here?

I also led raids as far back as the old 40 mans, pre-bc, and have been avid in PvP since the release of the first sets of gear and the implementation of the honor system. Most players have been playing or years, with a wide variety of experience under their belt. It's the side effect of having a massively popular game, none of us are unique when it comes to our level of experience.

Seen some of the vids, and while interesting, not overly impressed or think it indicates anything towards your points. Again, you're taking conjecture and theory tactics as absolutes. I really fail to see how the few fights displayed of a very few rogues prove your thinking as a no-argument conclusion, or why you'd ever think that.

All I have left to say is: play more, watch less. If you doubt us, play the class, see for yourself.

[Warcow]

OK, OK! I promise, done with this topic after this. I'll put cow on ignore to avoid reading it if that's what it takes to avoid continuing on it, promise!



Cow, I just really hate to laugh at you...but I am. Why would reports by PvP'ers be exclusively conclusive, and reversely why would we be unreliable?

You don't play a rogue, don't play a pally...but are so stuck into your thinking that you can brook no argument. We're not pretending that not having played the discussed classes means you don't have practical knowledge of their workings, we're outright saying it. You're the one entering the discussion with the total knowledge of "I've read these blogs and watched these vids" as your form of knowledge. Doesn't cut it elsewhere compared to people's practical experience and knowledge, why would it here?

I also led raids as far back as the old 40 mans, pre-bc, and have been avid in PvP since the release of the first sets of gear and the implementation of the honor system. Most players have been playing or years, with a wide variety of experience under their belt. It's the side effect of having a massively popular game, none of us are unique when it comes to our level of experience.

Seen some of the vids, and while interesting, not overly impressed or think it indicates anything towards your points. Again, you're taking conjecture and theory tactics as absolutes. I really fail to see how the few fights displayed of a very few rogues prove your thinking as a no-argument conclusion, or why you'd ever think that.

All I have left to say is: play more, watch less. If you doubt us, play the class, see for yourself.

Run away from the discussion then, you still have yet to provide another escape mechanic for a protection Paladin, or did you get caught in your own lie?

Why don't I need to have played the other class to know what they use/how they use them in PvP? Because WoW PvP is not complex, it's about reaction time, timing and coordination of abilities. Each class has about ~15 abilities they use in PvP some more, off the top of my head, warriors will use: MS, Hamstring, Slam, Thunderclap, Commanding Shout, Demo shout, Battle shout, pummel, charge, intercept, spell reflect, bloodrage, whirlwind, disarm (rarely), shield block (rarely), intervene, victory rush and I'm probably missing a couple but it's not that many.

Granted, warriors are not the most complicated, but it really doesn't go much further than that.

Day in and day out I have the opponent's abilities used against me, I know what they all do, I know what the cooldowns on them are, I know when they are most devastating based on how they use them on me, on my team mate and how my team mates use them on our opponents. Unless you're telling me that you've conjured up a magic talent that you use over and above all other Paladins in arena, you don't have any tricks I don't know about.

Why are the top PvP'ers impressions worth more than yours? They're better than you, they operate in a 100% competitive PvP environment against the best in the world that are spec'd and geared entirely for PvP. Your scrub Kara geared Prot Pally that survived a couple gankings by combat dagger spec'd rogues with 7k hp and no resil don't count for jack.

You have yet to give me any real evidence that there is something I'm not aware of that you might do to combat an AR/Prep rogue.

The truth is I can completely lock a Paladin down on my resto druid, and a rogue can do it about a thousand times better than I can. A Prot pally is going to be Crit MORE than your average arena geared holy pally, because 6.2% crit redux against an equal level player at the crit cap is much less than the 12.5% provided by 450+ resil. In addition, crits will be doing full damage, and you have no DoT mitigation. Your armor in PvE is probably lower than that of S3 arena gear for the average Holy Pally, even with talents and without receiving heals, your mana pool is pretty much destroyed by trying to heal up your enormous HP pool during a bubble, even if you bandage with it.

Am I missing something? Because please, try to bring something real to the table rather than "LAWLZ, U DON'T PLAY PALLY, YOU DON'T NO."

The fact is, that if the top rogues are reporting near 100% victory rates against the best of the best in duels now, it's a good indicator of how well you're going to fare.

If Prot Pallies had an arena set, you might just have an argument, but it's not the case.

[Ignition]

I spy with my little eye...

ZOMFG it's warcow :D

[The Coder]

I finally gots my mount.

[Kyir]

Why don't I need to have played the other class to know what they use/how they use them in PvP? Because WoW PvP is not complex, it's about reaction time, timing and coordination of abilities. Each class has about ~15 abilities they use in PvP some more, off the top of my head, warriors will use: MS, Hamstring, Slam, Thunderclap, Commanding Shout, Demo shout, Battle shout, pummel, charge, intercept, spell reflect, bloodrage, whirlwind, disarm (rarely), shield block (rarely), intervene, victory rush and I'm probably missing a couple but it's not that many.


I always found that I only really use ~6 consistently, most of my totems are much more situational.

[The Coder]

On an average 1 vs. 1 fight, I use Pounce - Shred - Rip - Shift to moonkin - Moonfire - Insect Swarm - Wrath till their dead or until Insect Swarm and moonfire wear off, then refresh them and keep going.

[Wisher]

thats a pretty good strategy coder but id just run away from them in cat form, then start a starfire before they know what hit them.

[The Coder]

Eh, riskier. I also nature's grasp when they're stunned, before the rip, and that lets me get off the big starfire + moonfire ~750-1.5k damage nuke combo

[Wisher]

Forgot about nature's grasp, love that spell.

[The Coder]

Aye. Saved my ass so many times.

Pissin me off. So while waiting in the AB queue, estimated at 7 minutes, I join an arena match to kill time. 1 vs. 1 with another moonkin. He started out moonkin, and I in cat. Predictably, I get the jump on him, do about 400 before shifting out and it being a moonkin on moonkin fight. He moonfires me. Insect swarms me. Moonfires me again. Moonfires me again. You get where this is going right? I'm halfway down, he's nearly oom, I barkskin and heal, he mimics me (I, during that time, went with the usual routine, getting him down around halfway too, but more mana efficiently). I head back to nuking him down the real way. He's oom. I win with 25% of my mana and 75% of my health. Aka, complete domination.

Anyway I get into AB nearly as soon as it ends. He's in there with me. So I talk to him about how stupid moonfire spamming is, that it gives druids a bad name, that it burns through your mana incredibly fast, disproportionally to the damage you deal. He says "Mind your own business, stupid 12 year old", responded to with "Yes, well winning the AB match is my business, so advising my teammates is my business" responded by "Stupid kids need to get out of here"... Meaning he's < 16. later... "See look I just moonfired some1 to deth" responded with "And I'm guessing you're oom". He finally shuts up.

[Kyir]

thats a pretty good strategy coder but id just run away from them in cat form, then start a starfire before they know what hit them.

Because Starfire does sooo much damage and can't be interrupted.

[The Coder]

Against a rooted warrior at range? Not last time I checked. Against a rogue at range? Not until 70. Against a warlock? If they've got felhunter out, I've already lost the fight.

Lol just had a 1 vs. 1 with a warrior. I'm in moonkin. He uses retaliation on me when he's rooted and I'm wrathing away

[Spirit_Monger]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Loxodon

Is that fairly decent armor for my level?
Never played anything that could wear better than cloth so I don't know how good that is compared to what is out there.

[Woodland]

I kinda need advice on something.

Ok, so my Pala is 58 but most of my mates are like lvl 20-30 cept one who is 33.

So, I duno weather to leave my Pala alone and work on my Mage and lvl with them or just keep going with my Pala because it's my highest char and I'm in Outland having alot of fun.

So, any suggestions?

[The Coder]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Loxodon

Is that fairly decent armor for my level?
Never played anything that could wear better than cloth so I don't know how good that is compared to what is out there.

Switch the sword to main hand. Put talents in +crit.

Armory hasn't refreshed my page in like a week.

[Megabyte]

I kinda need advice on something.

Ok, so my Pala is 58 but most of my mates are like lvl 20-30 cept one who is 33.

So, I duno weather to leave my Pala alone and work on my Mage and lvl with them or just keep going with my Pala because it's my highest char and I'm in Outland having alot of fun.

So, any suggestions?

Since it's based off what you want to do....do what you want.

[Spirit_Monger]

Switch the sword to main hand. Put talents in +crit.

Armory hasn't refreshed my page in like a week.

Heh, isn't refreshing mine either.
I got a better dagger last night, and I'm keeping the sword in the off hand so I can so some of the other attacks which require main hand daggers.

Labels me as being on alliance to. =\

[The Coder]

Pisses me off what they did to hunters. Were they too stupid to realize how fucking badly they buffed hunters at lower levels? Do they give a damn about you if you aren't 70?

[The Coder]

Nethers, Dream Dust and Eternal Essence are my cash cows. They're really overpriced on my server, I can triple my cash from buying DEing and selling things on AH. And now my guildie is fucking that up by selling them cheap.

[Wisher]

Woot on my friends lock today i got from 41-44, and made about 60g from vision dust, sells for 20g per stack.

[Megabyte]

Pisses me off what they did to hunters. Were they too stupid to realize how fucking badly they buffed hunters at lower levels? Do they give a damn about you if you aren't 70?

Everything Blizz has does would indicate an emphatic no.

[The Coder]

Woot on my friends lock today i got from 41-44, and made about 60g from vision dust, sells for 20g per stack.

One of my guildies has been doing 2 a day from 44-58.

Everything Blizz has does would indicate an emphatic no.

There seems to the occasional good nerf/buff, however it's often not enough, ex, what they've done with fear.

[Wisher]

One of my guildies has been doing 2 a day from 44-58.




Well i am sorry I'm not as cool as him.

[HorNeT]

I wouldn't use the word cool.

[Megabyte]

There seems to the occasional good nerf/buff, however it's often not enough, ex, what they've done with fear.

I meant the complete lack of substantial new content for non-70 chars, the emphasis on streamlining leveling, the lack of new character classes, the ongoing emphasis on ignoring old content in new expansions. You know, all that stuff. Most of their developments and new xpac material is simply done because they're boxed in. The game is completely emphasized on the end game, and everything up till that point is simply meant to get you ready for that point in the game.

[Woodland]

Since it's based off what you want to do....do what you want.
Yeah I know, but...

Is it more fun on your own or with your own mates?

[IPlayWoW]

Sorry, but if you're losing to ret pallies on an AR/Prep rogue, you're a terrible rogue.

Fine, I shall get a vid of me on my retri paladin taking down these almighty AR prep rogues, just to shut you up.

And no, I'm combat, raid spec, and my rogue is a raid char, not a pvp char.

[Megabyte]

Yeah I know, but...

Is it more fun on your own or with your own mates?

depends on what you want to do :p

And what you'd have more fun doing ;)


Fun isn't some sort of quantifiable and definable concept, it's all based off personal preference.

[Kyir]

I meant the complete lack of substantial new content for non-70 chars, the emphasis on streamlining leveling, the lack of new character classes, the ongoing emphasis on ignoring old content in new expansions. You know, all that stuff. Most of their developments and new xpac material is simply done because they're boxed in. The game is completely emphasized on the end game, and everything up till that point is simply meant to get you ready for that point in the game.

Hero classes are a move in the right direction I think, opens up more options for people who don't want to do 1-70 again at all.

[Megabyte]

Hero classes are a move in the right direction I think, opens up more options for people who don't want to do 1-70 again at all.

Except there's no assurances of that. Some interview speculation is that after completing the quest line for the death knight, you'll simply gain access to a level 55+ character.

One of those "we'll wait and see" type of things. Personally, I'll be pretty disappointed if that's the case.

[The Coder]

I meant the complete lack of substantial new content for non-70 chars, the emphasis on streamlining leveling, the lack of new character classes, the ongoing emphasis on ignoring old content in new expansions. You know, all that stuff. Most of their developments and new xpac material is simply done because they're boxed in. The game is completely emphasized on the end game, and everything up till that point is simply meant to get you ready for that point in the game.

That's kinda what pissed me off about burning crusade, they only added 2 new races and no new classes.

[Wisher]

Hmm people think that if they aren't healing specced theyc an't heal you at all >.>

[The Coder]

It depends on the situation. I've gotta say, unless you are holy specced, a paladin will struggle to heal efficiently, considering the other specs don't focus on +int and such (In general). Yes, out of combat they can, but otherwise...

It's amazing how few people I've met that actually use dispel magic and dispel curse. I know dozens of mages who didn't even purchase dispel curse until around 30

[Megabyte]

It depends on the situation. I've gotta say, unless you are holy specced, a paladin will struggle to heal efficiently, considering the other specs don't focus on +int and such (In general). Yes, out of combat they can, but otherwise...