World of Warcraft

[Ignition]

sleep is for the weak!

[Lord Shinok]

Meh, 2 evenings in a row I've fallen asleep before raid invites now :dry:

Just wondering...did you meet your fiance on WoW? Lol.

[IPlayWoW]

Mhm. Why?

[Lord Shinok]

Just wondering. :)

[Ignition]

Fack.
The only people who play my server (that I know of so far) and live near me are two fat guys who like to drink... but they're really cool.

My old GM flew out from Ontario to see me and one other officer last year, that was pretty epic also. Lots of beer on that event too.

side note: I hate people with money.
side side note/Edit: Iplay is Krome? LAWLAWLAWLAWL

[endless]

Who here has the highest imba (http://be.imba.hu/) score?

368.65 here

( The site is kinda sucking atm. but keep trying )

( edit 2: be easy on me i've been 80 a week and im still looking for a guild. )

[The Butcher]

Fack.
The only people who play my server (that I know of so far) and live near me are two fat guys who like to drink...


That's the last time me and my brother invite you to do anything :(

[Ignition]

I honestly took that seriously for a moment. We recently recruited some rogue brothers lol. I was like oh shi-

then... 1) your not a rogue. 2) I dont know the rogues

[Ignition]

Who here has the highest imba (http://be.imba.hu/) score?

368.65 here

( The site is kinda sucking atm. but keep trying )

( edit 2: be easy on me i've been 80 a week and im still looking for a guild. )
Getting my status now. Seems I broke the website...

I know everything I've done is 100% good. if I haven't done something I at least know what it should be. I honestly spend so much time reading up and sand boxing about Paladin tanking (and I hate to sound cocky but I genuinely feel this way) I know everything. This site is wrong in a number of ways so far.

http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Auchindoun&character=Circu
Highest PvE gear score: 430
Bracers and shoulders are killing me still.

[endless]

Imba is a very good site, though has its hiccups. Though actually most are from blizzard. For example, i get knocked for having a low level idol but a tanking idol doesn't exist in WotLK yet.

Though i saw yours earlier, and other than a few enchants you're perfect.

Mine: http://be.imba.hu/?zone=US&realm=Korialstrasz&character=Mindtrick

[IPlayWoW]

side side note/Edit: Iplay is Krome? LAWLAWLAWLAWL

And? :p
Wasn't it obvious?
How do you feel now asking me for advice in the past? ;)

Anyways:
Highest PvE gear score: 453.18
Current PvE gear score: 453.18
http://be.imba.hu/?zone=EU&realm=Ravenholdt&character=Stylah

Buff my shoulders plx :dry:

[Ignition]

I never had issues with you. and how do you think I've become as knowledgeable about the game? I asked many questions to many people. I dont regret that in the least.
Though i saw yours earlier, and other than a few enchants you're perfect.
Cheep enchants on cheep blues IMO

[IPlayWoW]

Fair enough, good to know cos I never disliked you either. Probably never will, you're a cool guy :p

Anyways, finally got myself hit capped, well 0.03% off but meh. Didn't lose any AP either, 3303 unbuffed afaik. Not too bad. Doing quite silly dps now, highest dps'ing blood DK I've ever seen.

Oh also, Military also cleared, all wings clear, got sapph to 19% also and hit enrage, we hit enrage because we had 9 people up lal. Heroic naxx is clear next reset.

[TightPants]

Since im a hard core ugly loser, im forced to play this game... a lot.

I have a lvl 80 warlock, hunter, and a deathknight.

[Blexican]

Since im a hard core ugly loser, im forced to play this game... a lot.

I have a lvl 80 warlock, hunter, and a deathknight.

What spec on the lock?

[TightPants]

What spec on the lock?

Dude, seriously. Obviously demon man. Comon. I pvp for a living.

[Blexican]

Dude, seriously. Obviously demon man. Comon. I pvp for a living.

You do take wow seriously.... calm down. I asked a simple question.

I have a 71 lock and hes demon as well.

Now I have a 71 lock, 60 prot pally, 60 dk, and a 40 shaman. yay.

[TightPants]

You do take wow seriously.... calm down. I asked a simple question.

I have a 71 lock and hes demon as well.

Now I have a 71 lock, 60 prot pally, 60 dk, and a 40 shaman. yay.

Dude, WOW is my life. If you were as miserable as me, you would understand.

[Magician]

Thankfully though, we're not... :huh:

[Ignition]

Dude, WOW is my life. If you were as miserable as me, you would understand.
I do! I have no social life.
Fair enough, good to know cos I never disliked you either. Probably never will, you're a cool guy :p

Anyways, finally got myself hit capped, well 0.03% off but meh. Didn't lose any AP either, 3303 unbuffed afaik. Not too bad. Doing quite silly dps now, highest dps'ing blood DK I've ever seen.

Oh also, Military also cleared, all wings clear, got sapph to 19% also and hit enrage, we hit enrage because we had 9 people up lal. Heroic naxx is clear next reset.
Reroll a horde please. I've got a raid spot for some plate DPS.



So we've been running 10mans steady. Up untill last week running 1-2 and subbing people all over the place to make best use of loot drop to upgrade per player. Any ways, first night at 25 (all guild, because I dont 22/pug 25s). I cant really complain we did vault to get a feel for our DPS/HPS/TPS, simply because its been a while since we've been in the 25 person involvement. Obviously got that down no issues, some mage T7.5 legs, headed over to Obsidian, again because we are just getting started, no issues there. On to Naxx we got Spider and Plauge down with only one wipe... becaues people forgot to decurse -_-. Stupid Noth bomb...
Any whoo I was more then pleased to see only 2 yes TWO! people die to safety dance. I do however have a trick. I always bring 4 (and only four) engineering flares, and while the fight is being explained/recapped I run out and plop them down. The trick here is they only last for about long enough to get the newer people though the first phase two. After that, if they haven't learned they deserve to die and or be kicked from the guild.

No with any good 1st all guilded 25man for a guild less then a month old. We did carry about 2-3 DPS, all 3 are still ranked as "trials" in the guild, so we are still recruiting. *COUGHIplay/bamaCOUGH* of those three, one is a fury worrior in mostly 70 brutal and MS speced. we spoke with him and will be heroic farming with him to see if that will sort things out, he didn't die, lag or randomly AFK. my officers and I think its simply lack of hit rating and total comprehension of the new mechanics.

other then that, I'm quite impressed.

[IPlayWoW]

I have a 71 belf retadin on aggramar EU. I can't migrate to american realms. I'm enjoying DK raiding too much anyways :p

[Lord Shinok]

You do take wow seriously.... calm down. I asked a simple question.

I have a 71 lock and hes demon as well.

Now I have a 71 lock, 60 prot pally, 60 dk, and a 40 shaman. yay.

Damn, son! I need to take you out to go clubbing or something.

I only have 61 hunter and 66 dk.

[Blexican]

Damn, son! I need to take you out to go clubbing or something.

I only have 61 hunter and 66 dk.

First off. I had triple xp on all those characters. I was trying to get as many to 60 as possible because triple xp runs out at 60. I have a social life. thanks. I have probably played 1/2 as much as you :)

[Ignition]

Whats a good free guild template/forum site building site? I want something online where my guildies can go go share discussions and have things to reference back to.

/2 LF Free Guild site / Free forums PST!

[endless]

http://www.guildportal.com/

[Lord Shinok]

First off. I had triple xp on all those characters. I was trying to get as many to 60 as possible because triple xp runs out at 60. I have a social life. thanks. I have probably played 1/2 as much as you :)

Ah, that makes sense! Nah, you probably played more than me. Hunter is incredibly easy to level and don't forget dk is the same as well, and dk starts out at lvl 55! So YOU probably played twice as much than I did. :p

[Zander]

I've logged more play time on my DK since expansion than I played on my lock from... Like, july-expansion.

[Blexican]

Ah, that makes sense! Nah, you probably played more than me. Hunter is incredibly easy to level and don't forget dk is the same as well, and dk starts out at lvl 55! So YOU probably played twice as much than I did. :p

naw.

55-60 on a dk took nothing.

the 72 took awhile cause it was my first character, but no that long.

Pally took not very long at all.

and my shaman has 23 hours played, and hes 43 so far

[Volcom]

http://www.guildomatic.com/meta is better, with a little bit of CSS knowledge you can get it quite personalized.

[Magician]

Yay! My guild finally started Naxx! :bigsmile:

[Ignition]

Yay! My guild finally started Naxx! :bigsmile:
second night of heroic Naxx here. Had to pull in two pugs tonight to make a full 25 (one ended up joining he was so impressed) We've got the full Military quarter down now. Just Abomination and Boss wing to go now.

[IPlayWoW]

Hc naxx tonight... now we're gonna clear those undead slums.

[Ignition]

provided you dont fall asleep

[Magician]

Naxx was fun. Wiped a few times too many, but largely due to inexperience in boss-fights. All-in-all good fun :)

[Ignition]

were where you wipes, and what wings did you guys attempt? I'm always willing to hop on your vent (or pull you into mine) and go over some tips or tricks you can share.

[Magician]

The Widow woman person namely. wiped like 7times there... just couldn't quite get the timings right :(

[Ignition]

<Obstinate> Ventrilo Information:
dal.maximumvoice.com - 10250 - waffle


Maybe not right now because I'm at work, but around/after supper I'll be on. more then happy to help.

[Kyir]

The Widow woman person namely. wiped like 7times there... just couldn't quite get the timings right :(

Just throwing this out there, but occasionally there's a bug where the range that you have to kill the mob within is reduced to like, 1 foot from her.

[Woodland]

ROOOOFFFLLLL, healing Patchwerk HC is so friggin' funny, like half my guildies in the pug on TeamSpeak and me and few others are healers and like most of the time we're all going...

'No nonononono!!!'

or my favourite

'FUCKING HELL!'

[IPlayWoW]

Try OTing him as a DK without a shield trying to mitigate hatefuls, now that's scary shit. On heroic I mean.

Funny thing was, last night I got hit by only 1 hateful. Mitigated every single one of them except that one. Parry, dodge, miss, dodge, dodge, parry, parry, parry, dodge, miss etc :wub:

I hit 60756 armor and ~82% avoidance as a DK, any warriors/pallys wanna try and compete with that armor count while tanking?

I've MTed him too, not so scary and nowhere near as fun. He still hits like a truck, though.

Funny really, I'm mainspec DPS but I do so much tanking it's unreal. I guess I just own at DK all round, a bit like pally. Though, tbh, I'm the best blood DK on the realm, and one of the best DKs end of story.

[Warcow]

Try OTing him as a DK without a shield trying to mitigate hatefuls, now that's scary shit. On heroic I mean.

Funny thing was, last night I got hit by only 1 hateful. Mitigated every single one of them except that one. Parry, dodge, miss, dodge, dodge, parry, parry, parry, dodge, miss etc :wub:

I hit 60756 armor and ~82% avoidance as a DK, any warriors/pallys wanna try and compete with that armor count while tanking?

Mitigation is difference from avoidance, mitigation is damage reduction. For the record, DKs make the best OTs for him because of huge flat damage reduction abilities. Since you're not taking as many hits, bone armor is almost always up.


I've MTed him too, not so scary and nowhere near as fun. He still hits like a truck, though.

Funny really, I'm mainspec DPS but I do so much tanking it's unreal. I guess I just own at DK all round, a bit like pally. Though, tbh, I'm the best blood DK on the realm, and one of the best DKs end of story.

I wish I was close enough to slap the stupid out of you.

[Magician]

Can you link your wowarmory for your main, Warcow?

[Zander]

I wish I was close enough to slap the stupid out of you.
You're alright, Warcow.

[Ignition]

Just throwing this out there, but occasionally there's a bug where the range that you have to kill the mob within is reduced to like, 1 foot from her.
I pally tank them off to the side and DPS down one marked (normally an X). DK is main tanking boss. 5 seconds before she *enrages* Deathgrip the add. Wait for enrage then have a hunter or two one shot the add. Easy.
Try OTing him as a DK without a shield trying to mitigate hatefuls, now that's scary shit. On heroic I mean.

Funny thing was, last night I got hit by only 1 hateful. Mitigated every single one of them except that one. Parry, dodge, miss, dodge, dodge, parry, parry, parry, dodge, miss etc :wub:

I hit 60756 armor and ~82% avoidance as a DK, any warriors/pallys wanna try and compete with that armor count while tanking?

I've MTed him too, not so scary and nowhere near as fun. He still hits like a truck, though.

Funny really, I'm mainspec DPS but I do so much tanking it's unreal. I guess I just own at DK all round, a bit like pally. Though, tbh, I'm the best blood DK on the realm, and one of the best DKs end of story.
Perry/Dodge =/= Mitigation.
I'm sitting on 26,000ish armor?
getting near *un-hitable* also. 102.4% (AKA the new "uncrushable")

[IPlayWoW]

I am well aware of what mitigation and avoidance are :dry:

[Lord Shinok]

WoW working for anyone? It's not for me. Everytime I enter my pw to access to my account, it stays at "connecting" forever...

I wanna play like now. Ugh.

[Ignition]

Ditto. But my realm isn't one of the ones listed.

[Lord Shinok]

Ditto. But my realm isn't one of the ones listed.

Mine isn't either. I just can't access to my account, because the connecting/authenticating/shaking hands pop-up just stays there without actually signing into the account.

EDIT: The forums aren't working either. I guess it's not me then.

[Ignition]

The "realm status page" is being deceiving in my opinion.

Oh well. Porn and Anime time (not a combination of the two... thats just... ugh)

[Lord Shinok]

I did porn earlier. :(

I guess I will just play with my ps3 until then.

[Trounce]

Blizzard news says that the authentication server is undergoing maintenance. That could be your problem.

[Lord Shinok]

It's working for me now. :)

[Ignition]

0-450 JC 1500g Today. Farmed up a bunch of mats while I leveled mining about a month ago, helped me along

[IPlayWoW]

Nerf you, mines still on 448, but I don't care anyway, that's high enough to learn every in game JC pattern atm. Probably get last 2 skill ups from making meta's.

[Zander]

I'm waiting for that damn sovereign twilight opal to be put in-game... I spent about an hour looking for it a few nights ago to get access to the +3%crit damage meta only to find out it wasn't available yet.

Also did my first raid last night in a 25-man nax pug(guild was doing a 10-man of it today but chargers/steelers game=not attending it). Led DPS by about 800 in overall, but we didn't do every single boss. I'm not sure exactly what we did, I know we didn't do patchwerk and we didn't do the death knight instructor dude. We _did_ do the one with the spores... did the spider one that casts some sort of spreading disease first, then the one that "sacrifices" her other NPCs and enrages or w/e, and also the one that you normally do a dance sort of thing while green lava shit spouts up through the ground. We bugged that though, I think, by standing in a corner to avoid it. No loot for meh, but oh well. Almost won a BOP epic shoulder drop off of trash. A couple days ago I upgraded 5 blues to epics in one day, so I'm still pretty satisfied with that. Got a green +hit ring on me still and then blue shoulders/wrists(Impossible to get the nexus drop...).

Was also my first time competing against dw DKs. There were two fully epicd ones in the raid both at #2&3 DPS overall, but I'd never seen either of them to be able to say how good they themselves actually were. Their howling blasts alone were like 30%ish of their overall damage, though... And if that howling blast without any cooldown on it makes it into live i'm going to be pissed. Anyways. Point of this all is that going into my very first raid(and having it be a 25-man) and leading DPS kinda points out to how OP we are.

[booyaka619]

My realm sucks. Always too much queue.

[IPlayWoW]

I'm waiting for that damn sovereign twilight opal to be put in-game... I spent about an hour looking for it a few nights ago to get access to the +3%crit damage meta only to find out it wasn't available yet.

Also did my first raid last night in a 25-man nax pug(guild was doing a 10-man of it today but chargers/steelers game=not attending it). Led DPS by about 800 in overall, but we didn't do every single boss. I'm not sure exactly what we did, I know we didn't do patchwerk and we didn't do the death knight instructor dude. We _did_ do the one with the spores... did the spider one that casts some sort of spreading disease first, then the one that "sacrifices" her other NPCs and enrages or w/e, and also the one that you normally do a dance sort of thing while green lava shit spouts up through the ground. We bugged that though, I think, by standing in a corner to avoid it. No loot for meh, but oh well. Almost won a BOP epic shoulder drop off of trash. A couple days ago I upgraded 5 blues to epics in one day, so I'm still pretty satisfied with that. Got a green +hit ring on me still and then blue shoulders/wrists(Impossible to get the nexus drop...).

Was also my first time competing against dw DKs. There were two fully epicd ones in the raid both at #2&3 DPS overall, but I'd never seen either of them to be able to say how good they themselves actually were. Their howling blasts alone were like 30%ish of their overall damage, though... And if that howling blast without any cooldown on it makes it into live i'm going to be pissed. Anyways. Point of this all is that going into my very first raid(and having it be a 25-man) and leading DPS kinda points out to how OP we are.

I'm assuming by this post you're a 2h using DK? And probably unholy, right?

Yes, HB is the main damage of a dual wielding frost/unholy DK. Which is another reason I will never be that spec, too focused on 1 ability to do damage, unskilled imo.

Also, leading dps in a pug is nothing to be proud of, it's nothing special and does not point out how OP DKs are at all. Put yourself in a full guild run of 25 people, yes you may be first, but don't bet on it. Guild runs are usually where the skilled people come out, not pugs.

[Zander]

I'm #1 in my guild as well(though that's not much- we probably have 25 80s tops, I joined it with a friend) and in every heroic pug I join. The 25-man pug I did was about 75% filled with some guild I never caught the name of(I only know this because I was in their vent, not because I checked their tags), and a couple from my own I had invited. There's been one hunter(Which are being nerfed soon-so i don't understand why we aren't as well) that I've competed with since around level 78(i'm like 5 days /played into 80) and other than retadins(which are also being nerfed, but not us), and that's only in CoS, nothing besides an occasional DK has come close to me. The difference here is that unlike you, I'm not bragging about it.

It's honestly been making me contemplate going back to my 71 lock/40 paladin over the past 24/48 hours.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Malaniless

[Ignition]

So to start. I didn't quite get 450 JC, I got pulled into 25man Naxx (guilded, though we dont normally raid on weekends)
The good news about this is, we only had Construct wing left. Both my offtanks where not online but apparently that didn't stop my officers from finding some in trade chat /shudder.

To say the least we started out with two healers on each tank. 3rd attempt o-chat was pretty much full of me raging at their lack of avoid/mitigate. They where dropping like rocks. I couched them along nicely, explained a few tips (all the while flaming them in /g and /o) On our final (think it was 6th attempt) we got him down. now here is the funny part. On the 5th attempt we changed up the healing, we put the 3rd best healer on myself, along with two beacons of light. put a healadin on each of the pugs along with 2 others. So now we've got 1.75 of a healer on me, and 3 for each of the other tanks. They still plopped out at 32%! I soloed him down form there if you can believe it or not -_-

in other news: the top guild on my server (formally known as Synergos, now known as <Twenty After Four>) had their MT/GM leave, to a huge dramalama (he cant play a warrior after LK changes apparently). So basically they lost all their social appeal. They are now a "hard core raiding guild" and I'm not hating on them. they have EVERY server first, and all but I think one battle group first. Along with the hunter that broke the world record for huntard DPS (this was hear say, but I've played/talked with Kripparian alot in the past and I have no doubt in my mind its true).
All this being said, they obviously recruit amazing players from other realms. But like I said they are "super hardcore raiders" and lave the social factor of a guild full of trolls. A lot of people have been transferring to our server to raid with them, but simply cant stand the self-inflated ego/asshole maniacs. So far we've picked up a protection paladin and an AMAZING unholy death knight. They have amazing personalities and have fit into the guild as friends and great raiders. I'm quite impressed with all the progression we've been making.

What I was saying about the 6th attempt downing of Patchwrek. The pugs where all that let us down, once it got to the point I was doing the majority of the tanking we one shot the rest of the bosses in the wing with the exception of the last, which only took 2 (pugs stood on the right with negative charges /facepalm ).

All this and its still our 1st week of 25 man. Go <Obstinate>!


EDIT: I finally got my [Time-Lost Figurine] (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32782) no more Terokk farming :D

[Woodland]

Just got my second 80, Mage.

See if I can gear this in Norm/HC Naxx gear fast as I did my Paladin.

[IPlayWoW]

So to start. I didn't quite get 450 JC, I got pulled into 25man Naxx (guilded, though we dont normally raid on weekends)
The good news about this is, we only had Construct wing left. Both my offtanks where not online but apparently that didn't stop my officers from finding some in trade chat /shudder.

To say the least we started out with two healers on each tank. 3rd attempt o-chat was pretty much full of me raging at their lack of avoid/mitigate. They where dropping like rocks. I couched them along nicely, explained a few tips (all the while flaming them in /g and /o) On our final (think it was 6th attempt) we got him down. now here is the funny part. On the 5th attempt we changed up the healing, we put the 3rd best healer on myself, along with two beacons of light. put a healadin on each of the pugs along with 2 others. So now we've got 1.75 of a healer on me, and 3 for each of the other tanks. They still plopped out at 32%! I soloed him down form there if you can believe it or not -_-

in other news: the top guild on my server (formally known as Synergos, now known as <Twenty After Four>) had their MT/GM leave, to a huge dramalama (he cant play a warrior after LK changes apparently). So basically they lost all their social appeal. They are now a "hard core raiding guild" and I'm not hating on them. they have EVERY server first, and all but I think one battle group first. Along with the hunter that broke the world record for huntard DPS (this was hear say, but I've played/talked with Kripparian alot in the past and I have no doubt in my mind its true).
All this being said, they obviously recruit amazing players from other realms. But like I said they are "super hardcore raiders" and lave the social factor of a guild full of trolls. A lot of people have been transferring to our server to raid with them, but simply cant stand the self-inflated ego/asshole maniacs. So far we've picked up a protection paladin and an AMAZING unholy death knight. They have amazing personalities and have fit into the guild as friends and great raiders. I'm quite impressed with all the progression we've been making.

What I was saying about the 6th attempt downing of Patchwrek. The pugs where all that let us down, once it got to the point I was doing the majority of the tanking we one shot the rest of the bosses in the wing with the exception of the last, which only took 2 (pugs stood on the right with negative charges /facepalm ).

All this and its still our 1st week of 25 man. Go <Obstinate>!


EDIT: I finally got my [Time-Lost Figurine] (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32782) no more Terokk farming :D

Grats dude :)
I have a question, though. Are you GM of this Obstinate guild? Cos I haven't seen anything saying yes/no to this. Or are you a normal member?

Edit: Forgot armory tells me -_-

[Ignition]

DURP!

Apparently, according to some guild ranking site. We are ranked at #4 on server.
Last night (last night of our 1st week of Heroic raiding) we got ALL of Naxx down! Sapph was ONE SHOT! and K'T was 9% on first attempt (had a durp or two and got him 3rd attempt).
This week we plan on getting ALL 10man content down (again), and add the full 25man clear to the list!. Next week we are looking at drake attempts and less raiders for the content achievements. For example: clearing 10mans with less then 9, and 25 with like less then 21 or something.

[_Thunder_]

So I started playing WoW about 2 weeks ago.. I'm lvl 52 warrior atm and im not that impressed. Some people are telling me to go DK after 55 and I wanted to get some of your opinions. I mostly want to do battlegrounds and instances later on when im 70-80. So which would be better?

[Ignition]

WTB more DKstick with what you know, DK may be fun to play. but honestly every one rolled them and they are EVERYWHERE. if your looking to raid re-roll a hunter or shadow preist and top some DPS. if you DPS on your warrior all your loot is just going to get ninjad by DKs any ways

[Volcom]

So I started playing WoW about 2 weeks ago.. I'm lvl 52 warrior atm and im not that impressed. Some people are telling me to go DK after 55 and I wanted to get some of your opinions. I mostly want to do battlegrounds and instances later on when im 70-80. So which would be better?

Roll a Death knight for the starter quests/lore/story. then forget about it and carry on with your Warrior or roll something that you server needs.
http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realmstats.php

[Ignition]

I knew there where too many stupid paladins on my server. 15% of every level 80 on my server rolls a death knight. another 14% have paladins. UGH and they are all bad.
I was having connection issues last night so I had this new prot pally recruit hop in as main tank for the night. Sounds like my guilds elite DPS ripped off him in EVERY fight. When I managed to hop back on vent I was crit by a wall of QQ for defiantly over 9000.

Needless to say he'll sufice for trash, but apparently was loot trained (CHOO CHOOOOOO) on his old sever and still doesn't know much about his class. I'll cotch him because he seems like a smart guy but generally un-impressed (that doesn't mean we didn't get 2 and 2/3 wing of Naxx and Obsidain down in our first night of the 2nd week of heroics. Probably could have had another boss or two if I could have gotten on but meh. I did manage to find some kick as new anime in my down time!

Also: I dont know how acureate this really is, seeing as the clear realm leading guild <Twenty After Four> aren't even registered yet. but this is what the big *ta-do* was in officer chat the other night (during only our first week of heroics)
http://www.wowjutsu.com/us/auchindoun/
sadly I also compared this with the statistics from the link Volcom provided only to see that guilds that have not been in existence for months are out ranking us. I dont think there is a 100% accurate guild ranking site, you pretty much have to play the server and see the players/gear.

[Volcom]

the porblem is the one i linked, is that it relies on the players. So you use the addon in game, and it records, who and what is online. so to get the best information, you need to be running it and updateing it quite oftern. never the less. it does give some nice information to ponder on.

[Ignition]

I ran it this morning here at work (in the back ground) but sadly no one was really on. I'll run it again at raid time. There is no way we are right behind the top guild on the server, them being 8 and use being 9th...

I looked them up and it seems on average they are in the top 150 guilds of the US like 142 or something like that.

[Volcom]

well i wouldnt use warcraftrealms for guild ranking, seeing at its just a census.

[booyaka619]

Join the social group.

[zz99]

I'm #1 in my guild as well(though that's not much- we probably have 25 80s tops, I joined it with a friend) and in every heroic pug I join. The 25-man pug I did was about 75% filled with some guild I never caught the name of(I only know this because I was in their vent, not because I checked their tags), and a couple from my own I had invited. There's been one hunter(Which are being nerfed soon-so i don't understand why we aren't as well) that I've competed with since around level 78(i'm like 5 days /played into 80) and other than retadins(which are also being nerfed, but not us), and that's only in CoS, nothing besides an occasional DK has come close to me. The difference here is that unlike you, I'm not bragging about it.

It's honestly been making me contemplate going back to my 71 lock/40 paladin over the past 24/48 hours.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Malaniless

Death Knights are by no means OP in dps.

Right now the only two classes that can be considered OP in dps are Hunters(hence the upcoming nerf), and the current top king of dps - ROGUES.

I am a rogue, we have two other rogues in our 25 mans. We each pull a minimum of 4.2k dps, each with only 8-9 25 man epics. Right now a rogue in full blues can pull over 3k dps - an amount it takes most other classes 5+ 25 man epics to do. We also do a staggering 8-8.5k dps on loatheb and thaddius.

Anyways, we just downed malygos for the first time two days ago to give us a worldwide ranking of if I remember right 5050ish, and a 12 server ranking.

We were off our game going into naxx tonight too, usually we wipe at MOST 3 times - yeah... we wiped that much on patchwerk alone, we had only 3 tanks with us though, so that was most likely the problem.

[Woodland]

I disagree with Rogues being 'kings' of DPS atm...

Shadowpriests and FFB Mages are just stupidly OP in raids from what I've saw in HC Naxx/VoA/TOS.

[Ignition]

I am a rogue, we have two other rogues in our 25 mans. We each pull a minimum of 4.2k dps, each with only 8-9 25 man epics. Right now a rogue in full blues can pull over 3k dps - an amount it takes most other classes 5+ 25 man epics to do. We also do a staggering 8-8.5k dps on loatheb and thaddius.

Anyways, we just downed malygos for the first time two days ago to give us a worldwide ranking of if I remember right 5050ish, and a 12 server ranking.

We were off our game going into naxx tonight too, usually we wipe at MOST 3 times - yeah... we wiped that much on patchwerk alone, we had only 3 tanks with us though, so that was most likely the problem.
I've seen patchwerk done with only one off tank. Hell I've even soloed him (two fail off tank pugs) for longer then any one thought possible. something like 45ish of his total HP

and other than (over powered) retadins which are also being nerfed
False and False. We are not OP, if anything they are OOM machines (since 3.2 nerf) I've got two exceptional Retribution Paladins, they are in top 10. but they dont top charts. Its the fact they are on Damage done AND Healing done thats impressive in my mind.

[Zander]

False and False. We are not OP, if anything they are OOM machines (since 3.2 nerf) I've got two exceptional Retribution Paladins, they are in top 10. but they dont top charts. Its the fact they are on Damage done AND Healing done thats impressive in my mind.
You completely edited my post, i never said retadins were overpowered.

[Ignition]

Yup, but only classes that are over powered get nerfs. And if you have trouble keeping up with a Ret pally in DPS something has to be wrong.

[Zander]

I don't have any trouble with it... that's why I never said they're overpowered.
Aren't paladins having the damage they deal while bubbled cut in half?

[zz99]

I disagree with Rogues being 'kings' of DPS atm...

Shadowpriests and FFB Mages are just stupidly OP in raids from what I've saw in HC Naxx/VoA/TOS.

I really don't care if you agree or not, it's fact.

Rogues in blues can pull more than most classes in full 10 man epics.

EDIT: Look up the "honor among thieves" spec.

What it does, is everytime someone your party crits, you gain a combo point, however, for ever rogue you have in your group in this Honor among thieves spec, you gain an additional combo point. So if you have three rogues in your group like I do(each of us have at least 45% crit bufffed) you LITERALLY get 5 combo every 1-2 seconds. So in other words, we just spam eviscerate, which I do between 8-11k damage on eviscerate crits, which because of my glyph of eviscerate, I have over 55% crit with eviscerate, so in other words, I just spam 8-11k eviscerates every second to pull more dps than any other class is capable of.

[Woodland]

Ok, you wear blues and go into a 10 man with full epic people and screenshot the damage meter...

Then we'll see how much your say is a 'fact'.

[Ignition]

I don't have any trouble with it... that's why I never said they're overpowered.
Aren't paladins having the damage they deal while bubbled cut in half?
A PvP nerf, but as one who doesn't hit other players. this is a buff, because wings = no draw backs any more. So you'll be seeing wings on cooldown and bubble will just now be used defensively (healing self up instead of finishing some one off)
Ok, you wear blues and go into a 10 man with full epic people and screenshot the damage meter...

Then we'll see how much your say is a 'fact'.
P U G say it with me ppp-uuu-ggg.
Its totally do able.




EDIT: Wooot, I got a sticky on WoWhead.com check it out:http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40264#.
the screenshot for that weapon is Meee. I've been getting into submitting more and more to that site, I'll see how many more amazing screen shots I can get with my new super duper iMac and its smexy graphics card.

[zz99]

Ok, you wear blues and go into a 10 man with full epic people and screenshot the damage meter...

Then we'll see how much your say is a 'fact'.

I don't have any blues to wear.

How about this.

I have 25 man naxx at 5:30 eastern.

I'll screenshot the damage meters, and the DPS you'll see is in this general order -

1. Rogue
2. Rogue
3. Rogue
4. Warrior
5. Mage
6. Hunter
7. Hunter
8. Pally
9. Death Knight

Once in a while that warrior beats us in dps, and sometimes the mage or hunter do as well, but not too often.

But I mean for the love of god that warrior is effing geared.

He has the Axe that drops off KT heroic, the one with 220 dps, and he has berserking on it. And on his off hand he has the weapon that drops of KT normal with berserking.

EDIT: A rogue that hasn't been on in a long time has been on lately, so it might be four rogues up top.

[Woodland]

P U G say it with me ppp-uuu-ggg.
Its totally do able.

Because PUGs always take blue geared people into Naxx....

[Kyir]

Because PUGs always take blue geared people into Naxx....

If it's only a new people yeah, they do.

[zz99]

Sorry, my raid was pushed back to tonight, but here's my proof -

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7411/sapphironxp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/sapphironxp4.jpg/1/w1280.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img440/sapphironxp4.jpg/1/)

EDIT: And yes, my name is intentionally mispelled.

[Kyir]

Generic UI?

That's... fun.

[zz99]

Generic UI?

That's... fun.

Yeah... I don't really feel like getting a new UI. I've grown to like the basic one.

And the Kel'thuzad S/S will be coming shortly.

[IPlayWoW]

EDIT: Look up the "honor among thieves" spec.

What it does, is everytime someone your party crits, you gain a combo point, however, for ever rogue you have in your group in this Honor among thieves spec, you gain an additional combo point. So if you have three rogues in your group like I do(each of us have at least 45% crit bufffed) you LITERALLY get 5 combo every 1-2 seconds. So in other words, we just spam eviscerate, which I do between 8-11k damage on eviscerate crits, which because of my glyph of eviscerate, I have over 55% crit with eviscerate, so in other words, I just spam 8-11k eviscerates every second to pull more dps than any other class is capable of.

Ahhhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You brag about doing high dps as a HAT spec? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

You realise HAT is currently bugged don't you? You realise when it gets hotfixed your dps will suck harder than it does already? 3.9k dps in a 25 man on sapphiron is fuck all btw ;)

Jesus Christ.
Sorry.
But damn.

[Kyir]

Ahhhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You brag about doing high dps as a HAT spec? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

You realise HAT is currently bugged don't you? You realise when it gets hotfixed your dps will suck harder than it does already? 3.9k dps in a 25 man on sapphiron is fuck all btw ;)

Jesus Christ.
Sorry.
But damn.

I love how you point out the flaws of others without admitting any of your own.

[zz99]

Ahhhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! You brag about doing high dps as a HAT spec? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

You realise HAT is currently bugged don't you? You realise when it gets hotfixed your dps will suck harder than it does already? 3.9k dps in a 25 man on sapphiron is fuck all btw ;)

Jesus Christ.
Sorry.
But damn.


1. I pull over 3.5k DPS in my muti spec
2. I pull over 3k dps in my combat spec
3. I pull over 4.5k dps with 4 hat rogues
4. I pull over 5k dps with 5 hat rogues
5. They are planning on fixing the Muti and Combat spec to do significantly more dps - almost to the point where I can do as much dps with 4 hat rogues, maybe even 5, and they're planning on fixing doing this in the patch, or shortly after

Also in my gear 3.9k dps isn't even weak, one of the rogues died during that fight, we all normally pull over 4k, and players in top end 25 man gear usually only break 4.5ishk. People way better geared than I am.

Either way it is, Rogues are still top dps.

Oh, and that 3.5k dps in my muti spec, that would rank only behind the warrior in my guild, and he's WAY more geared than I am. Which still puts rogues as the king of dps.

Personally though, I prefer the shadow dance spec, I wish it were a viable raiding spec. It's very fun to play with in pvp. Just because someone out of know where dies and he's like *wtf happened*, you can literally kill people that fast.

I took a prot warrior with 28k hp down under 10k in ~5 seconds.

[IPlayWoW]

I still disagree that rogues are king of dps. Nothing will ever change my mind, especially when said rogues who claim to be "kings of dps" are HAT specced. Tbh, HAT is bugged, it's a commonly known fact. I can't wait for all the bugs to be fixed and all the class nerfs/buffs to show up on live, we will then see who are kings of dps. In all fairness I doubt melee will still be on top of dps. I'm expecting FFB mages will easily take over after the incoming patches. I'll say 1 thing though, if your hunters, DKs and mages can't out-do rogues, they are doing something majorly wrong. Though, all you HAT rogues are kings aren't you.

[Magician]

I pulled 2.4k in Archavon 10man normal! :p

My dps suckz0rz, even though I was top in the guild. :confused: (out-dpsed both mages by about 6-700dps each - and they're way better geared than I am)

[Kyir]

I pulled 2.4k in Archavon 10man normal! :p

My dps suckz0rz, even though I was top in the guild. :confused: (out-dpsed both mages by about 6-700dps each - and they're way better geared than I am)

Geared people are doing 1.8k?

You're wasting gear -_-

[Ignition]

what do you play Mag?

[zz99]

I still disagree that rogues are king of dps.

I don't care whether you disagree or not - it's fact.

I don't see any other classes hitting 12k dps, and yes, rogues have gotten that high.

Nothing will ever change my mind, especially when said rogues who claim to be "kings of dps" are HAT specced. Tbh, HAT is bugged, it's a commonly known fact. I can't wait for all the bugs to be fixed and all the class nerfs/buffs to show up on live, we will then see who are kings of dps.

Well lets look over some things right now -

Currently geared Muti rogues pull over 4k dps easily, they match the DPS of a hunter easily, who is the other top end dps class currently.(don't argue hunters are a top dps class - they are, no arguing it). Hunters are getting nerfed, and rogues are getting buffed. I've personally talked to a gm about the HaT spec, and he told me that they want to buff the other rogue specs to do more dps before they take HaT away. They said basicaly once HaT is fixed and combat/muti is buffed, we will be pulling the same, if not more dps anyways. So either way, rogues are the king of dps. Right now without HaT they're tied for first, and they're only getting buffed. With hat, it's not even comparable.

In all fairness I doubt melee will still be on top of dps. I'm expecting FFB mages will easily take over after the incoming patches. I'll say 1 thing though, if your hunters, DKs and mages can't out-do rogues, they are doing something majorly wrong. Though, all you HAT rogues are kings aren't you.


Like I said, Rogues are getting buffed, they will remain the top dps.

And they aren't doing anything wrong, mages and DKs can't out dps muti rogues, quite simply. And hunters can only match the DPS of a muti rogue. They might have higher or lower depending on skill and gear.


Geared people are doing 1.8k?

You're wasting gear -_-
__________________

Lul.

I pulled 1.8k dps as a combat rogue in not even full 80 blues. I still had 77-78 blues doing 1.8k.

EDIT: *sigh* ~500 que on Aerie Peaks. -_-"

[Kyir]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1627/rrscj0.jpg

I'm cool.

[Spirit_Monger]

How are warlocks after the xpac? Do they still do good DPS?
I still read this thread even though I stopped playing, and haven't really seen them mentioned, or mentioned to even be included in raids anymore ...
I know before the xpac they did great DPS.

[IPlayWoW]

Locks suck.

Next?

[endless]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1180/wowscrnshot011809135802dx7.jpg

Yeah.. im awesome...

[endless]

idk why the image isnt working on my screen.. ohh well

[Magician]

Geared people are doing 1.8k?

You're wasting gear -_-

They're not fully geared, I think one's just started collecting pieces of the t7 set - fact is they're better geared than me. =\

[Ignition]

I dont see any other classes pull 12k DPS
I did MH for the lawls, aoe ftl
My top 5 DPS'ers can average 54,000 PDS
LOLWUT?!

[endless]

I did MH for the lawls, aoe ftl
My top 5 DPS'ers can average 54,000 PDS
LOLWUT?!

Lets see some web stats of your last run, im interested in seeing that...

[Kyir]

They're not fully geared, I think one's just started collecting pieces of the t7 set - fact is they're better geared than me. =\

What I'm saying is that people in blues and greens can do 1.8 easy.

I'm pretty sure I remember a few people doing 1.8 back in 40 man Naxx.

[Magician]

1.8 isn't a problem, if you have the mobs to AoE (which is a major source of high DPS in my experience), and sustain the AoE. I usually pull about 1.8-2k over an HC instance, depending on the quality of the tank... lol. But yeh, I was just posting my surprise more than anything. :p

[Kyir]

1.8 isn't a problem, if you have the mobs to AoE (which is a major source of high DPS in my experience), and sustain the AoE. I usually pull about 1.8-2k over an HC instance, depending on the quality of the tank... lol. But yeh, I was just posting my surprise more than anything. :p

You're missing the point again -_-

[Magician]

Your point is the mages in this scenario are a "waste of good gear", unless I'm reading you wrong.

[Ignition]

Lets see some web stats of your last run, im interested in seeing that...
Oh I'll bet you feel stupid... black text strikes again!
Your point is the mages in this scenario are a "waste of good gear", unless I'm reading you wrong.

1.8-2k = bad

[endless]

Btw..

3.0.8 BITCHES!!!

Freaking finally..

[zz99]

Oh I'll bet you feel stupid... black text strikes again!


1.8-2k = bad

In heroics it's not that bad =P

We actually had us three hat rogues run a couple of heroics... you'd be surprised how easy heroics are when your three dpses in a heroic do ~3200 dps.

Anyways, the patch is out so HaT is over.

It somewhat sucks right now though because muti will be "the" spec, and my daggers are pathetic compared to my swords.

My swords right now are 156 dps swords, while my main hand dagger is only 143, and my off hand is 130. Can't seem to find a second epic dagger anywhere.

[sythe]

Wow, surprised to see most of you guys still here. WoW is down so i came to check TAO forums and i see what a WoW thread how ironic. Not sure if you all remember me but i was Youngcha from Armageddon.

As for WoW http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draka&n=Youngcha

Only 100k till 80 and three quest to turn in so i'll be 80 as soon as the new patch is done.

~Edit- Any new Raid's out of the new does anyone know?

[Zander]

Btw..

3.0.8 BITCHES!!!

Freaking finally..
Time to get the high-end enchants. =D

edit: Holy shit**********************
I like the new menu thingy.

edit 2: Down about 50 AP and .4% crit from gear nerfs... though i've yet to use this new blue socket on my titansteel helm that's going to make moving around gems to activate the meta a lot nicer. (:

[sythe]

Gah Northrend keeps crashing. :dry:

[zz99]

This is why you never play right after a patch. Our server has now crashed 4 times in the last 10 minutes.

Make that 5.

[Zander]

This is why you never play right after a patch. Our server has now crashed 4 times in the last 10 minutes.

Make that 5.
Are you sure it's your whole server, or are you being dc'd while in northrend?
Everytime WG is won on my server, northrend dies and WG resets.

Good thing I'm sitting in eastern kingdoms ****ing with my gear.

[zz99]

Are you sure it's your whole server, or are you being dc'd while in northrend?
Everytime WG is won on my server, northrend dies and WG resets.

Good thing I'm sitting in eastern kingdoms ****ing with my gear.

It's the entire server.

Before I get logged off I see "Blank has gone offline" about a million times.

[Blexican]

Are you sure it's your whole server, or are you being dc'd while in northrend?
Everytime WG is won on my server, northrend dies and WG resets.

Good thing I'm sitting in eastern kingdoms ****ing with my gear.

People on our server are having the same problems.

time to level my pally ^_^

[Zander]

People on our server are having the same problems.

time to level my pally ^_^
=D
I have the 2h heirloom axe(with crusader!) and shoulders on my currently level 16 warrior. The stats from them are absurd, at level 10(it's dropped since then), I was at 19.64% crit from the shoulders and axe alone without any other gear giving +stats.

[zz99]

Rogue aoe is freaking ridiculous now. If not the best in the game, it's tied with mages and locks.

I did over 6k on trash without using Blade Flurry and Adrenaline Rush. I could only imagine how ridiculous my dps would be if I used those.

[Ignition]

The issues where with the new WG buff. Anywhere that the buff would apply, was very unstable. Instances servers, along with out-lands, and old-lands where not affected. I however (being a 2.5:1 ratio server) simply camped WG for a few hours (yes the DC/reset was annoying) making roughly 23 marks of WG and countless more honor.
I say grats to blizzard for my new PvP loot.

[endless]

The issues where with the new WG buff. Anywhere that the buff would apply, was very unstable. Instances servers, along with out-lands, and old-lands where not affected. I however (being a 2.5:1 ratio server) simply camped WG for a few hours (yes the DC/reset was annoying) making roughly 23 marks of WG and countless more honor.
I say grats to blizzard for my new PvP loot.

Yeah. fuck you.

Seriously way to be a douche and exploit something.

[zz99]

Wintergrasp was like that on our server... in fact wintergrasp seemed to be what caused the crashes.

Everytime wintergrasp ended, the server would crash, then it would come on 2-3 minutes later and wintergrasp would just be starting.

BTW, I sold my relics of ulduar since I'm exhalted. 260 went for 700g.

[Ignition]

I had roughly 500 (I AOE farm stuff so yeah) I only needed to use about 140 to finish maxing out SoH rep. Sold/selling the rest also. More reasonable price however... I actually sell/roll the AH so I price everything quite fair.

[IPlayWoW]

Finally got exalted with SoH being about 6k rep away from exalted before 3.0.8 patch, spent 500g on 200 relics :dry:
Got me to exalted though, 16 crit gem <3

[The Coder]

I just learned how badly wrath has destroyed PvP.

[Zander]

I just won inevitable defeat with a 79 roll, 78 being the second highest... Also my first raid drop. And now I feel like shit because they told me to roll and I didn't realize I was rolling against my guilds current MT while the other is on vacation.

[Ignition]

Finally got exalted with SoH being about 6k rep away from exalted before 3.0.8 patch, spent 500g on 200 relics :dry:
Got me to exalted though, 16 crit gem <3
lol?

I sold a bunch of mine, screw buying them. L2 rep grind.

[Kyir]

The shoulders aren't worth it for me.

Inscription all the way.

[Ignition]

still think you should have been able to keep the extra glyph space for max inscription. Major or minor.

[Woodland]

Got my Mage into a pretty nice raiding guild (Winds Of Creation)...

Finished up the rest of HC Naxx what 20 of them had already cleared most of it got few bits of epics so going to get him geared fast hopefully for the next raiding content Ulduar or something is it?

[Kyir]

still think you should have been able to keep the extra glyph space for max inscription. Major or minor.

It's not really very good business either, not much turnover on glyphs.

[Ignition]

bet you can't wait for duel spec

[Magician]

6 more emblems then I can purchase that Mirror of Truth trinket! :bigsmile:

[IPlayWoW]

I have that trinket... but from what I've found on proc chance (1000 AP as we all know) it actually only gives you a static increase of about 200 AP which is ~30 dps. Not so good really. In my opinion it's only useful for the extra burst when it procs and the crit rating on it.

[Zander]

Fallen Crusader+Mirror of truth = Summon gargoyle

[Snork]

I just started.

I play Alliance on Ghostlands and horde on Mug'Thol.

Anybody have guys there?

[Kyir]

No, but I can make DKs anywhere now to skip the tediousness of 1-55.

[Zander]

No, but I can make DKs anywhere now to skip the tediousness of 1-55.
There's definitely no way I'm leveling another DK to 80... but it'll be nice to have something to trade runs through sfk/SM with on another server.

[Snork]

No, but I can make DKs anywhere now to skip the tediousness of 1-55.

How?

[Lord Shinok]

How?

Blizz changed it that way.

[Zander]

What shinok means... is that once you have a level 55+ character on any one realm, you gain access to the ability to create death knights on all realms(1 per realm).

[IPlayWoW]

Fallen Crusader+Mirror of truth = Summon gargoyle

Fuck Gargoyle...
DRW > Gargoyle.
I'm blood, always have been always will be :p

[Lord Shinok]

What shinok means... is that once you have a level 55+ character on any one realm, you gain access to the ability to create death knights on all realms(1 per realm).
Yeah.

<.<

>.>

[Snork]

What shinok means... is that once you have a level 55+ character on any one realm, you gain access to the ability to create death knights on all realms(1 per realm).

So you can start a character from level 55 as a death knight, instead of a level 1 mage?

[Spirit_Monger]

Once you have a character past level 55, THEN you can play a death knight, which would start at level 55. So you'll need to level another character (warlock, rogue, druid, etc.) to 55 before you can unlock death knight.

I could be wrong so you may want to read up on it. But unless they changed it from when I quit, that's how it was.

[Snork]

I could be wrong so you may want to read up on it.

I am.
In this thread. :D

[Spirit_Monger]

Yeah I was correct.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Death_knight#Unlocking_your_death_knight

That goes into more detail.

[Ignition]

Snooooork?!

[Snork]

Snooooork?!

What up homeslice?

I'm an 11th level BloodElf Warlock for some reason.
Where do I go to get my new Demon Helper?
That imp isn't cutting it anymore.
He's trying to see other warlocks.

[Spirit_Monger]

I'd suggest undead or orc warlock but if you like blood elf then go for it. :p
Warlocks are pretty cool and I played one up to 70 so if you need any tips feel free to ask.

You can get a void walker at level 10 (big blue blob thing). Where exactly I don't know. Either someone for a quest, or just the warlock trainer.
Succubus at level 20, Felhound and felsteed at 30. Dreadsteed at 60 still?
You can learn felguard through talents in the demonology tree.
Make sure to buy grimoires for your pets to!

[Snork]

I'd suggest undead or orc warlock but if you like blood elf then go for it. :p
Warlocks are pretty cool and I played one up to 70 so if you need any tips feel free to ask.

You can get a void walker at level 10 (big blue blob thing). Where exactly I don't know. Either someone for a quest, or just the warlock trainer.
Succubus at level 20, Felhound and felsteed at 30. Dreadsteed at 60 still?
You can learn felguard through talents in the demonology tree.
Make sure to buy grimoires for your pets to!

What's a grimoires?

I've tried an undead warlock.

I needed to try a blood elf.

I also have a troll mage and a dranei shaman.
Totems suck.

I don't know where the trainer is.

[Spirit_Monger]

Grimoires are books you buy from some guy usually next to a warlock trainer. They teach your pet new spells, or upgrade old ones.

I'd check wowhead to find out where trainer locations are at.

[Zander]

They took grimoires out of the game at the echoes of doom patch.
HOMOSEXUAL, RIGHT?

[Spirit_Monger]

Ohh, they took them out?
Hmm.

Nevermind then about those Snork. Haven't played since a few months before WotLK was released so...

[Lord Shinok]

Someone xfer to my realm and give me 5k gold, so I can get epic flying skill!

[Snork]

Anybody know where I get the voidwalker?

[Lord Shinok]

Anybody know where I get the voidwalker?

http://www.wowwiki.com/Voidwalker

Click the linky to see the info on the voidwalker.

EDIT: Changed the link, since the first one didn't work. Click then click on Voidwalker (Warlock pet).

[Snork]

I got it!!

[zz99]

I finally got myself a sinister revenge! I put berserking on that bad boy as soon as we were done raiding for the day.

Now I just need Calamity's grasp to drop, or another sinister revenge to drop and I can do extremely epic dps as both muti and combat.

My guild currently forces me to be combat though, since we for some reason have 9 melee classes, plus 3 tanks, the buff for 2% increases physical damage the combat spec gives to all melee classes is nice.

The other two rogues in my guild are muti too(I think the combat buff isn't stackable), and we have no enhance shammies other than an alt, so if it drops I'll get it for sure.(I got sinister revenge because the muti rogues weren't there that night so... yeah)

[Ignition]

I'm considering going for the 100mount achievement (60 some right now) and debating purchasing that stupid travelers mammoth.

[zz99]

I'm considering going for the 100mount achievement (60 some right now) and debating purchasing that stupid travelers mammoth.

That is an extremely expensive one to get. And you have to get nearly every mount in the game for it.

Getting the 25 mounts from the alliance factions is a nice start though if you don't already have them.

[Ignition]

Alliance...?

[Number_one]

Sucks.

[endless]

Alliance...?

You know you wanna..

[Ignition]

..wana rape more of them.

[Snork]

..wana rape more of them.

You're a creepy sheep molester.

Hey, can you help me?

Is anybody on Mug'Thol?

[Lord Shinok]

I got it!!

Nice! For quick answers to your questions, just google in your questions, and the answers usually will come up. Or go to thotbot, wowwiki, wowhead, or allakhazam.

You're a creepy sheep molester.

Hey, can you help me?

Is anybody on Mug'Thol?

I don't think anyone from here plays on Mug'Thol. I play on Anvilmar. Sawny.

..wana rape more of them.

Me too! I can't stand them especially gnomes or draeneis! Gah! But, damn...100 mounts? Christ! Once I get the epic flying skill, I'm going to work on dallies for the netherwing drake mount!

[Kyir]

So I'm bored and guildless.

Any raiding guilds need a resto shaman?

Who due to constraints can only raid between 6 and 10:30 PM EST.

...

Except on weekends when I can raid till 2:30 AM

...

I KNOW THE FIGHTS!

[IPlayWoW]

Reroll ally, come to Ravenholdt EU and I'm sure I can hook you up ;)

[Kyir]

Alliance shaman don't have the same pro racials tauren do.

[Snork]

Nice! For quick answers to your questions, just google in your questions, and the answers usually will come up. Or go to thotbot, wowwiki, wowhead, or allakhazam.

Screw that, you guys are way better. I can get better advice here. Or at least links to the better advice.

I don't think anyone from here plays on Mug'Thol. I play on Anvilmar. Sawny.

Can you make a Mug'Thol dude?


Me too! I can't stand them especially gnomes or draeneis!

What's wrong with them?

What's the best alliance race and class?

[Lex]

Human pally! personal preference >.>

[Snork]

Human pally! personal preference >.>

I can dress like a Pally at work anytime.

What is good about a HP that would make it fun to play?

[zz99]

especially gnomes or draeneis

We had this talk before in trade chat.

We said we'd trade gnomes for Kalu'ak and use dranei as bait for the lich king. They run in and weaken him up and everyone else goes in and finishes him off.

[Snork]

We had this talk before in trade chat.

We said we'd trade gnomes for Kalu'ak and use dranei as bait for the lich king. They run in and weaken him up and everyone else goes in and finishes him off.

What's Kalu'ak?

Seriously, what race/class do y'all recommend?

I have faith in the brilliance of y'all.

[Godmic18]

What's Kalu'ak?

Seriously, what race/class do y'all recommend?

I have faith in the brilliance of y'all.

Don't start this game Snorky. It's evil and will suck you in. Other than that, I'd recommend Pally, Death Knight, or my favorite, Shaman. And always play Horde.

[Worker]

Don't start this game Snorky. It's evil and will suck you in. .
World of Worker is more fun with 10 times the sucking action.

[Snork]

World of Worker is more fun with 10 times the sucking action.

Hey, good for you, keep reaching for that rainbow!

Too late, the evil has sucked me in.

[endless]

What's Kalu'ak?

Seriously, what race/class do y'all recommend?

I have faith in the brilliance of y'all.

It really depends on what you want to do.

If you're unsure on what you want to do Druids are a great class because they're good at everything.

If you want to top the DPS charts roll a Mage.

If you like soloing, Hunter.

If you like healing, Priest.

If you like taking a beating, Paladin.

Those are my personal favs for each job. But you really cant go wrong with any of them.

[Zander]

What's Kalu'ak?

Seriously, what race/class do y'all recommend?

I have faith in the brilliance of y'all.
Pick whichever race you think has the smallest chance that you'll get sick of staring at after a while. Seriously.

[Godmic18]

Just do /train for each race. Whichever one you like best wins.

[IPlayWoW]

It really depends on what you want to do.

If you're unsure on what you want to do Druids are a great class because they're good at everything.

If you want to top the DPS charts roll a Mage.

Hahahaha.

Sorry but these 2 made me laugh.

Druid, good at dps? Feral is now the worst dps class and spec you could make in wow, of all DPS specs/classes, additionally, not much of a tank these days either. I do know some awesome feral tanks against the odds though. Boomkin, not much better, that's purely a support class for other casters with the 5% crit aura, otherwise I'd refuse to have them in my raid cos of their shitty damage. Resto, well they aren't bad at all, everyone loves hots.

As for mages topping the DPS charts, you couldn't be more wrong. In my LK raiding experience I haven't seen a mage get above top 7 in overall damage and/or overall dps, for bosses that is.

Snork, imo. If you want a viable pvp and pve class, roll paladin, death knight or hunter.

[Zander]

I run with a very good druid DPS. I also know a fantastic druid healer.

Just make whichever one attracts you the most, snork.

[Lord Shinok]

Yeah, don't pick a class just because someone said it's better than the others. Pick the one you like to play with. So far I love my dk and hunter. Easy to level with.I just rolled a human pally (on endless's realm), and I'm going to see if I like it or not. Chances are I will, though. :p

[Lumberjack]

I'd pick a Death Knight, there are hardly any of those (/sarcasm). Don't you have to be 55 to make one?

[Lord Shinok]

I'd pick a Death Knight, there are hardly any of those (/sarcasm). Don't you have to be 55 to make one?

Yeah.

[Lex]

Yeah, don't pick a class just because someone said it's better than the others. Pick the one you like to play with. So far I love my dk and hunter. Easy to level with.I just rolled a human pally (on endless's realm), and I'm going to see if I like it or not. Chances are I will, though. :p

Endless shmendless that's my realm >=]. I'll help you out whenever stormwind lets me log back in, shin =[

[IPlayWoW]

Yeah.

Well it has been changed, if you have a 55+ on at least 1 realm, you can make a Death Knight on any other realm of your choice, doesn't have to be the same as the lvl 55.

[Lord Shinok]

Well it has been changed, if you have a 55+ on at least 1 realm, you can make a Death Knight on any other realm of your choice, doesn't have to be the same as the lvl 55.

Yeah, so why are you telling me something I already know? :confused:

[IPlayWoW]

Because you didn't make it clear that you know?

[Lord Shinok]

Yah, I guess.

[zz99]

Hahahaha.

Sorry but these 2 made me laugh.

Druid, good at dps? Feral is now the worst dps class and spec you could make in wow,


Not knowing what you're talking about FTW!

Feral is OP right now. Our main off tank was averaging 3.3k dps in cat form with his tanking gear/spec. His dps would only be higher if he gemmed/chanted/geared/specced for dps.

additionally, not much of a tank these days either.

Our druid tank is bad ass. He's a great tank. There's nothing wrong with druid tanks.

As for topping DPS, apparently all the top guilds have locks at top dps.

[endless]

Hahahaha.

Sorry but these 2 made me laugh.

Druid, good at dps? Feral is now the worst dps class and spec you could make in wow, of all DPS specs/classes, additionally, not much of a tank these days either. I do know some awesome feral tanks against the odds though. Boomkin, not much better, that's purely a support class for other casters with the 5% crit aura, otherwise I'd refuse to have them in my raid cos of their shitty damage. Resto, well they aren't bad at all, everyone loves hots.
Seriously? Just because YOU don't know any good ones dosnt mean they dont exist. Feral DPS is on par or even above most classes when you pull off its complex rotation. Same with boom.

And i dont seem to have ANY problem tanking ANY fight with my 45k health, btw..

As for mages topping the DPS charts, you couldn't be more wrong. In my LK raiding experience I haven't seen a mage get above top 7 in overall damage and/or overall dps, for bosses that is.


Again, talking out of your ass.. go look at elitist jerks for the new arcane mage numbers. GG.

Not knowing what you're talking about FTW!

Feral is OP right now. Our main off tank was averaging 3.3k dps in cat form with his tanking gear/spec. His dps would only be higher if he gemmed/chanted/geared/specced for dps.



Our druid tank is bad ass. He's a great tank. There's nothing wrong with druid tanks.

As for topping DPS, apparently all the top guilds have locks at top dps.

I love playing a feral tank, i get picked to MT more than the other classes because of my huge health pool.

And i didn't recommend locks because of their insane rotation, too hard to pull off. Bu they did say they were going to fix it.... eventually..

[Ignition]

Confirmed, all 3 of my locks are in top 5-10 every night. Jumping around in those top few are also our grip warrior, a mage or two and 2-3 DK.

Paladins = best tanking class hands down.
best in game mitigation = smooth damage in = smooth healing, only class that can attain block cap 100% chance to never be punched directly in face. best stamina scaling... aside from druids who are useless main tanks IN COMPARISON one of my two offtanks is a Druid, I'm not saying they are bad. I'm just saying paladins are simply better at it. Sure having 40,000+ hp is great but when you are taking 20,000+ hits (before mitigation) and you just happen NOT to dodge, just armor doesn't cut it as a main tank. your sucking up too much raid heals.

"with the release of the lich king expansion, would all protection classes please relocate to the nearest paladin and bend over"

[Artist]

/sigh

From what I hear shamans are worthless in PvP now.

And my computer is still dead.

[Ignition]

wait... they where good?

[Artist]

Right before wotlk when we got our new abilities.

[zz99]

Confirmed, all 3 of my locks are in top 5-10 every night. Jumping around in those top few are also our grip warrior, a mage or two and 2-3 DK.

Paladins = best tanking class hands down.
best in game mitigation = smooth damage in = smooth healing, only class that can attain block cap 100% chance to never be punched directly in face. best stamina scaling... aside from druids who are useless main tanks IN COMPARISON one of my two offtanks is a Druid, I'm not saying they are bad. I'm just saying paladins are simply better at it. Sure having 40,000+ hp is great but when you are taking 20,000+ hits (before mitigation) and you just happen NOT to dodge, just armor doesn't cut it as a main tank. your sucking up too much raid heals.

"with the release of the lich king expansion, would all protection classes please relocate to the nearest paladin and bend over"

Our MT is a pally. Our Main OT is a druid, and the rest of our tanks are all warriors.

And druids are insanely good for patchwerk. Our GM had an addon that was showing the raid how much hatefuls were hitting for, and our Druid would made like 6-7 miss and then finally take a hit and it would only do 1/4 of his health while other tanks take 1/2 or more of their health from a single hateful.

Right before wotlk when we got our new abilities.

Even just before LK shamans weren't hard.

The only ones I ever remotely had trouble against were enhance shammys, but that was until I started saving evasion for them. With evasion up the damage they do is laughable.

[Blexican]

Right before wotlk when we got our new abilities.

Do you play a druid?

[Kyir]

So WoW is getting a critical error when it starts because some file is corrupted, I tried running the install and it didn't do anything to help.

Blizzard's only advice is to try and reinstall, which I can't because I don't have the original game's disks anymore.

Advice?

[Zander]

Log into manage account on the main worldofwarcraft page, it lets you download the game from there once you've already upgraded the account.
From account management click download game client.

[Volcom]

So WoW is getting a critical error when it starts because some file is corrupted, I tried running the install and it didn't do anything to help.

Blizzard's only advice is to try and reinstall, which I can't because I don't have the original game's disks anymore.

Advice?
did you use the repair tool ? or the install ?
if you used the install, dont... use the repair, that will fix it. it will make a new addons & wtf folder, and back patch the last one. should be fine after that.

[endless]

Do you play a druid?
i think im the only one here whos main is a drood.

[Zander]

Do you play a druid?
He played lock shaman rogue, and then quit a week after wrath.

[Magician]

Progression is good. And fun. :)

[Ignition]

Progression is good. And fun. :)
I'm doing 2 drake up attempts (10man so its HARD), totally agree.
Our MT is a pally. Our Main OT is a druid, and the rest of our tanks are all warriors.

And druids are insanely good for patchwerk. Our GM had an addon that was showing the raid how much hatefuls were hitting for, and our Druid would made like 6-7 miss and then finally take a hit and it would only do 1/4 of his health while other tanks take 1/2 or more of their health from a single hateful.
that's only because he probably has 1/4 hp then all the other tanks. Plus. like I said if you had a GOOD paladin off tanking the hatefuls with the druid. He'd probably be smoother healing any ways (if he knew what he was doing).

I've solo tanked him from 30%-0%. given both offtanks died, and thus all the melee but after he had no one else to hateful he did start double hitting me.

[zz99]

I'm doing 2 drake up attempts (10man so its HARD), totally agree.

that's only because he probably has 1/4 hp then all the other tanks. Plus. like I said if you had a GOOD paladin off tanking the hatefuls with the druid. He'd probably be smoother healing any ways (if he knew what he was doing).

I've solo tanked him from 30%-0%. given both offtanks died, and thus all the melee but after he had no one else to hateful he did start double hitting me.

That makes no sense. Why would hatefuls doing only 1/4 of his health mean he only has 1/4 the hp of the other tanks? It means he has higher armor and HP so he takes less damage.

We don't have a pally off tank, he's our MT.

And no, druids are the best OTs for patchwerk, it's been comfirmed time and time again.

And how could you tank patch from 30% to 0% alone. His hatefuls hit for ~20k in addition to his normal damage, and every 1 second, then he goes berserk. There's no way a tank could take that kind of damage, and with all the melee dead you'd lose a shitload of dps that would make it go by slower. Even if the healers could heal you through it, they'd have to burn all their mana, and with the lack of dps their mana wouldn't last long.

[Magician]

I'm doing 2 drake up attempts (10man so its HARD), totally agree.

>.<

We've just cleared the Spider wing on Normal. Maexxna wasn't that difficult, although being webbed to the other side of the room was, erm, interesting. :p

[Kyir]

Log into manage account on the main worldofwarcraft page, it lets you download the game from there once you've already upgraded the account.
From account management click download game client.

The entire thing, or just the WotLK part?

Cause it was always my impression that that was the only part you could download.

[Snork]

The entire thing, or just the WotLK part?

Cause it was always my impression that that was the only part you could download.

You can download everything.

You can download it all for the free trial, then to upgrade, you just put your code in. You have your code already.

The patches take forever to download, it's annoying.


Do people seem excited in strange ways over druids.
What race is best?
How is feral made?

btw, I've got this warlock, and he summons demons, and stuff, I haven't used any of his attribute points. What should I be picking?

[Ignition]

That makes no sense. Why would hatefuls doing only 1/4 of his health mean he only has 1/4 the hp of the other tanks? It means he has higher armor and HP so he takes less damage.

We don't have a pally off tank, he's our MT.

And no, druids are the best OTs for patchwerk, it's been comfirmed time and time again.

And how could you tank patch from 30% to 0% alone. His hatefuls hit for ~20k in addition to his normal damage, and every 1 second, then he goes berserk. There's no way a tank could take that kind of damage, and with all the melee dead you'd lose a shitload of dps that would make it go by slower. Even if the healers could heal you through it, they'd have to burn all their mana, and with the lack of dps their mana wouldn't last long.

1) what I meant to say was he has 1/4 MORE hp then your other tanks, which makes it look like he isn't getting hit as hard. but HP alone doesn't make him a better tank. Damage mitigation and avoidance is better, which in my mind is a Paladin. Which would be just as easy to heal as a patch offtank.

2)how did I run him into the ground? because I have good healer, lost of dodge and block cap, I know how to use my CDs. I couldn't believe it either man...

[Snork]

What are warriors good for?

[Ignition]

Using all weapons.
Holding two weapons
Hitting things with weapons.

[Snork]

Using all weapons.
Holding two weapons
Hitting things with weapons.

Yes, but what is the purpose of playing one?

Do they tear it up in battle?

In a raiding party, are there warriors, if so, what are they doing?

[Ignition]

right now, fury warriors are a little over powered in terms of raid DPS. Their only other viable raid spec would be tanking (bosses punching them in the face)

Snork, if you still can't decide what to play, you might want to consider ALL of the QQing and barging that goes on in this thread. its because blizzard spends every hour of their working day making each class as balanced as the next. They are all fun (or lets be honest the game wouldn't be fun) and they are (for the most part) just as good as any other.

[Spirit_Monger]

You can download everything.

You can download it all for the free trial, then to upgrade, you just put your code in. You have your code already.

The patches take forever to download, it's annoying.


Do people seem excited in strange ways over druids.
What race is best?
How is feral made?

btw, I've got this warlock, and he summons demons, and stuff, I haven't used any of his attribute points. What should I be picking?

Keep in mind I haven't played WotLK. But ...

Unless this has changed, there are 2 good specs to go for leveling, which are Affliction and Demonology. Destro would be good if you had a healer (lifetap your mana back and have your healer heal you up, kill some things quick, repeat - you need good crit for this though)

Demonology is good, BUT I think it's slow at first, providing minimal benefits until later levels (when you unlock the felguard)

So I'd recommend affliction, and the drain tanking strategy which can be very good. If you get some good gear and get used to being hit, you can tank mobs yourself and at the end of the battle end up with full health and mana, resulting in minimal to no downtime.

Check out drain tanking guides on wowhead warlock forums, and also google the warlock's den and check out canadianpimp's gearing guide. It should still help for choosing gear at lower levels despite it being for TBC.

[The Coder]

Keep in mind I haven't played WotLK. But ...

Unless this has changed, there are 2 good specs to go for leveling, which are Affliction and Demonology. Destro would be good if you had a healer (lifetap your mana back and have your healer heal you up, kill some things quick, repeat - you need good crit for this though)

Demonology is good, BUT I think it's slow at first, providing minimal benefits until later levels (when you unlock the felguard)

So I'd recommend affliction, and the drain tanking strategy which can be very good. If you get some good gear and get used to being hit, you can tank mobs yourself and at the end of the battle end up with full health and mana, resulting in minimal to no downtime.

Check out drain tanking guides on wowhead warlock forums, and also google the warlock's den and check out canadianpimp's gearing guide. It should still help for choosing gear at lower levels despite it being for TBC.

I just spent 2 weeks taking a warlock from 1-60.

Once you get Felguard + Demonic Frenzy, with glyph of felguard and the other felguard talent, your FG gets insane. It's surprisngly not that bad right now though to level as Demonology. I didn't notice it being much better as affliction, and sadly, my nukes as Demonology hit harder than my nukes as Destruction. I'd do Aff until 56, same as how it's usually done, then switch Destro and only use nukes.

Anyway...

[Woodland]

I'm doing 2 drake up attempts (10man so its HARD), totally agree.
Wednesday night after HC Maly (which takes an alot of tries because theres aswell some people who screw up P3, me being one of them at times :p)...

Me and my guild went into OS HC 2 drakes, must've spent a good two hourse wiping as it was our first full on attempts at it but just edged it in the end finally. Should attempt 3 drake soon for title.

[_Thunder_]

Yes, but what is the purpose of playing one?

Do they tear it up in battle?

In a raiding party, are there warriors, if so, what are they doing?

Warriors are usually the best at DPS if your talents are fury, because the lvl 60 skill they have allows you to hold 2 handed weapons in 1 hand, allowing you to hold 2 of them. And simple math tells your the DPS that you do with 2 2handed weapons is better than 1 :p . Usually they are tanks, or the ones doing the most damage.

[Blexican]

http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1233395338400.jpg

anyone else got that achievement?

[Artist]

Obama is a priest?

[Zander]

Spriest, shadow=black.

WTB bama on AIM.

[zz99]

1) what I meant to say was he has 1/4 MORE hp then your other tanks, which makes it look like he isn't getting hit as hard. but HP alone doesn't make him a better tank. Damage mitigation and avoidance is better, which in my mind is a Paladin. Which would be just as easy to heal as a patch offtank.

Well, if you remember I said he also made 6-7 hatefuls miss before he finally got hit. He has very high avoidance on top of his naturally higher hp and armor. That's why druids are the best to OT patchwerk.

>.<

We've just cleared the Spider wing on Normal. Maexxna wasn't that difficult, although being webbed to the other side of the room was, erm, interesting. :p

Spider quarter is by far the easiest, wait until you get to construct. It's the only quarter that after you still learn the fights, wipes are still possible.

Warriors are usually the best at DPS if your talents are fury, because the lvl 60 skill they have allows you to hold 2 handed weapons in 1 hand, allowing you to hold 2 of them. And simple math tells your the DPS that you do with 2 2handed weapons is better than 1 :p . Usually they are tanks, or the ones doing the most damage.

They're behind affliction locks and sometimes ffb mages.

[Lord Shinok]

Meh, I have to do 2 weeks worth of dallies to get netherwing drake mount? LAME. Is there a way I could just buy it instead of wasting my time doing dallies for 2 weeks?

[Spirit_Monger]

You have to get exalted to actually get them. Some of the dailies were fun for a bit.
You can also look around for eggs and just find them which could greatly reduce your time spent doing the dailies and finish a little over a week (like I did).

[Artist]

I went from neutral to exalted in three days with eggs!

You don't deserve the mount if you don't do the work, that's all.

[Lord Shinok]

3 days? Is that even possible? Well, I'm getting close to getting the epic flying skill. It might be today or tomorrow when I get it, then I will work on the dallies. POO.

[Spirit_Monger]

I guess it would be possible in 3 days. But you'd have to be very lucky, know where to find eggs at, and spend a ton of time looking for them.

Try finding someone else who is in the same place as you, or even just someone doing the dailies is good. Grouping up lets both of you complete the quests MUCH quicker. Just stick together when you do things like throw the boot at the workers or you both wont get credit for it.

Also try to do all of the races since they give good experience (and a free 10% speed boost - like the riding crop - if you complete them)
Just don't spend forever trying them. The last 2 are the hardest, though I thought the 2nd last was the worst, and the last wasn't too hard - just long.
Use nogginfogger elixir if you need to.

[Lord Shinok]

I could get my guildie to do dallies with me. He and I completed the chain quests this morning in order to get the dallies. I'll ask if he wants to do'em with me to get them done faster. Thanks for the tips! :)

[Kyir]

Why would you care about any other mount when you could have a Proto Drake?

They're kinda AMAZING.

[Magician]

Achievements.

[Spirit_Monger]

yeah if I was you Shinok, I'd probably just keep leveling/doing WotLK content first. but hey whatever you want to do is fine. :p
If you do farm for some eggs, you can find them on the land, on the island, and in the mines. (Check youtube videos for common land locations and remember a lot of them ... check while you're doing the dailies for eggs there)
In the mine the spawn all over, and killing little slime things will sometimes get you an egg if they drop it.
So farming those things should be a lot easier since you're 80.

[Warcow]

Can you link your wowarmory for your main, Warcow?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skywall&n=Carith

Sorry for the late response, I've mostly had to quit playing because of classes. I no longer raid (qq) but I still hang around to arena once in a while. Hopefully I'll get far enough ahead that I can pick back up raiding when Uldaur comes out.

On a side note, I did 5300 dps on Patchwerk on a drunken raid with the new elem. I was pretty pleased considering I had no speed pots on me at the time, so I probably could have done more (no flame cap either). Was flasked/food and had focus magic though.

I'm resto for now for arenas, as of this morning we were the 24th ranked 2v2 Resto/Mut in the world, not bad when this is my first season playing shaman resto (was a druid before). I'm fairly pleased with shaman pvp and all in all provided you stick to smaller brackets pvp isn't quite as retarded as it was before 3.08.

Arcane mages still shit all over resto shamans, and we go 50/50 at best with decent mage rogue teams, frost is pretty easy to handle. Blood DK's probably need a small nerf, and I still think CoI needs to be reworked, a spammable immobilize is pretty silly against a team with no defensive dispel. Survival hunters are manageable but pretty over the top with all the new buffs. Nerfing sacred shield needs to happen to put the other healers in line with pally healers as well.

Damage probably needs to come down 10% across the board, but it's looking better than I thought it might.

@ all the ZOMG X CLASS IS THE BEST AT DPS posts in here . . . most of whats been said isn't true.

@ Snork, I wouldn't recommend warrior atm unless thats a playstyle you like. Currently they're fairly underpowered except for TG in raids, but even that will probably get adjusted. Overall having played a warrior for 3 years I wouldn't suggest it. The stance system is sluggish and full of pointless penalties that no other class has to deal with. Tanking is so hilariously easy now that the only high skill area of warrior play no longer exists (multi mob tanking used to be an art). They're pretty much free HKs in arena atm and I don't see that changing a great deal.

[IPlayWoW]

5245 ach points? -_-
Damn, seriously, nice.

[Snork]

@ Snork, I wouldn't recommend warrior atm unless thats a playstyle you like. Currently they're fairly underpowered except for TG in raids, but even that will probably get adjusted. Overall having played a warrior for 3 years I wouldn't suggest it. The stance system is sluggish and full of pointless penalties that no other class has to deal with. Tanking is so hilariously easy now that the only high skill area of warrior play no longer exists (multi mob tanking used to be an art). They're pretty much free HKs in arena atm and I don't see that changing a great deal.

Holy crap!

It's the man who started this all.

Shame on you!

What's up?

So what would you recommend, keeping in mind it is me. That should affect the logic of the choice significantly.

[IPlayWoW]

So we did The Undying the other night, first try ever with the guild and pulled it off. Decided we'd try for it as we knew we could probably do it. Realm 2nd aswell, not a bad ach I guess.

http://www.vimeo.com/3024370

There's the video of it also in case anyone was interested ;)

[Woodland]

Bastard Warcow, you got realm first 25 man Malygos kill -_-

That title is so cool.

Oh oh, just to edit this and also say...first 25 man Naxx and Obsidian kill? Fucking hell.

[IPlayWoW]

Yeah he was in a KJ guild in BC, doesn't surprise me ;)

[Ignition]

its like that on a lot of servers actually.

[Kyir]

Arcane mages still shit all over resto shamans

Lots of stuff still shit all over us -_-

Also, I just realized that Thundering Strikes is spell crit now too, way to make me feel stupid.

I gotta wonder though, Healing Grace > Nature's Guardian?

Never really noticed a great improvement over the durability of Earth Shield when specced into Healing Grace.

[Godmic18]

I'm thinking of starting a WoW rehab clinic. I think it would be a hit with employers and people who are just too sad to quit on their own. However, I'm a little stumped on how to get the more hardcore addicts to effectively quit without any residual negative effects. I'm thinking getting them a new hobby or requiring them to do specific things to fill their newly available free time that helps them socialize better.

[Woodland]

Yeah he was in a KJ guild in BC, doesn't surprise me ;)
Aha, that explains it.

We went into Sunwell yesterday for the hell of it, most of my guild was like:

'Man all these people that spent hours on it and we just make it look like Kara'...

Although, Brutullas hit like a rampaging bull on our tanks still. And we had 1 or 2 wipes at felmyst because no one could predict where she was going to breath on people... -_-

Then the rest we pissed first go which surprised us even on KJ was just a nuke session.

[Kyir]

Aha, that explains it.

We went into Sunwell yesterday for the hell of it, most of my guild was like:

'Man all these people that spent hours on it and we just make it look like Kara'...


Did you tell them that they don't need to do any progression because they'll be able to just 5 man Icecrown?

You should've.

[endless]

Mother fuckers fucked up feral druid tanks.

Anyone else seeing their druid tank have WAY less threat now?

It's GAY.

[zz99]

My buddy was looking at some arena stats, and he linked me the stats of the classes for 2000+ teams, and the top classes in arena are -

1. Paladin (23% of all players)
2. Rogue (17% of all players)
3. Death Knight (15% of all players)


After this I don't really remember what it was exactly, but it was something like this

4. Druid
5. Mage
6. Priest
7. Hunter
8. Shaman
9. Warrior
10. warlock (3% of all players)

Just thought I'd share.

[Warcow]

My buddy was looking at some arena stats, and he linked me the stats of the classes for 2000+ teams, and the top classes in arena are -

1. Paladin (23% of all players)
2. Rogue (17% of all players)
3. Death Knight (15% of all players)


After this I don't really remember what it was exactly, but it was something like this

4. Druid
5. Mage
6. Priest
7. Hunter
8. Shaman
9. Warrior
10. warlock (3% of all players)

Just thought I'd share.


http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/

This is a much better representation, as it shows you who is actually doing exceptionally well. Hunters are no where near 7th, infact they're probably better than DK's now, and will overtake them as people have more time to play. Lots of the DK's are just sitting on pre 3.08 ratings. Rogues are not doing well at all, they're squishy and immobile as Mut.

[Zander]

70 < 71 away from getting t7.5 dps and tank gloves in the same morning.
I've got two t7.5 tank pieces(legs+gloves) when i'm mainly a dps, and no t7.5 dps pieces. :|

[Kyir]

http://www.sk-gaming.com/arena/player/

This is a much better representation, as it shows you who is actually doing exceptionally well. Hunters are no where near 7th, infact they're probably better than DK's now, and will overtake them as people have more time to play. Lots of the DK's are just sitting on pre 3.08 ratings. Rogues are not doing well at all, they're squishy and immobile as Mut.

Way to not respond to me.

[Woodland]

Mother fuckers fucked up feral druid tanks.

Anyone else seeing their druid tank have WAY less threat now?

It's GAY.
Our main Feral dr00d tank (Skitbra) is awsome tank, it seems they buffed them back up to how they used to be after putting their armor back up...

And Swipe has been buffed hasn't it? Used to only hit 3 targets now its anyone in range...or so.

[Warcow]

Lots of stuff still shit all over us -_-

Also, I just realized that Thundering Strikes is spell crit now too, way to make me feel stupid.

I gotta wonder though, Healing Grace > Nature's Guardian?

Never really noticed a great improvement over the durability of Earth Shield when specced into Healing Grace.

Healing Grace is pretty important for buying time against priest/shaman teams. It protects Hero/ES pretty nice between riptide/tidal waves/earth living. Makes a big difference if they try to make a swap to you and take 3 purges/dispels rather than one. Helps win the mana battle that way too.

*Edit: Also, Natures guardian isn't amazing enough for 5 talent points, and it procs often enough with 1/5.

[Artist]

I'm on my laptop and I get disconnected seconds after logging in.

It's not my RAM because I got cards for it.

Is it because I'm wireless or... what do I need to do to keep the connection?

[Kyir]

Healing Grace is pretty important for buying time against priest/shaman teams. It protects Hero/ES pretty nice between riptide/tidal waves/earth living. Makes a big difference if they try to make a swap to you and take 3 purges/dispels rather than one. Helps win the mana battle that way too.

*Edit: Also, Natures guardian isn't amazing enough for 5 talent points, and it procs often enough with 1/5.

I guess.

I'm not really arena-ing right now, kinda solo PvP/raid spec. For some reason it's hard finding good PvPers on a RP server, who woulda though?