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Bills

11-26-2004, 10:49 PM

Nice to meet you, theburning, I hear you're quite the grey/gold competition?
Back on topic, I'm not suggesting not using this new Clan Websites page, just saying he could get the majority of the websites being posted there from Sir Vival's thread.
People have to add their site to the list as it contains information and site code for viewers to rate and comment on the site.

Sites are placed on this list based rating, hits in, out and last weeks ranking are all factored in.

So really if a clan site is still active it shoudl sign up, place the code on their site and then the list will do the rest.

Bills

11-26-2004, 10:49 PM

I registered. When can we expect everything to be up and running? Everything looks so incomplete, its a little confusing.

-Rogue_Wolf
Yes sorry it's still in beta, we have cleaned things up a bit and I was able to add a banner image for my test site on it. We are going to skin it alot better this coming week.

Blexican

11-26-2004, 11:10 PM

no more lil words or custom avt. or can u activate them? plz try :D

HandleBusiness

11-27-2004, 09:33 PM

Silver Fox is Sir Vival. He made that name as a plan. Kalamady made Silver Wolf and they were gunna pretend to be brothers until Kala got banned.

Bills

11-27-2004, 09:39 PM

Silver Fox is Sir Vival. He made that name as a plan. Kalamady made Silver Wolf and they were gunna pretend to be brothers until Kala got banned.
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Chameleon 67.176.51.192 HandleBusiness Immortality Kalamady Kalamady223 Mr. I Am Black Notorious TOM 67.176.51.192 Silver-Wolf 67.176.51.192

IP banned.

Bills

11-27-2004, 09:40 PM

Back on topics though, let's see some clan banners you can edit your profile and link to your own clan banner. We will have the site all cleaned up this week.

Poop Slinger

11-27-2004, 09:49 PM

And where do we get the script to send people to the clan page? For voting.. obvious that would be of help.

Poop Slinger

11-28-2004, 08:03 AM

Jonspen

11-28-2004, 08:16 AM

I may aswell sign us up on behalf of netjak.

http://www.netjak.com

Rogue_Wolf

11-28-2004, 12:28 PM

How exactly does the rating or any of the system work.. you got a clan with more ppl going OUT to them from TAO's site on the bottom.. ppl with one vote higher than people with 2 or three.. they are all ranked differently.. I mean what kinda of ordering system is being used.. if any?

That was also one of my questions...for example, currently...Flash is ranked 1st with a rating of 1, then its netjak.com with a rating of 3, then its The Dawg Pound with a rating of 2? If you could clear this up for us, or are there still bugs in the system?

-Rogue_Wolf

Office_Shredder

11-28-2004, 01:08 PM

Bills

11-28-2004, 03:00 PM

It's probably a combination of how many people clicked the link, what its overall rating is, and maybe hits per day... or something like that.... it also probably takes into account how many people voted (if only one person voted 5, then it's not as reliable as 4 people voting 4) to an extent.
Exactly it's a combination of votes, hits ni/out ect... and then each section is ranked differently also.

It's a cheat prevent system. Hits in is worth the most from what I seen though. Once we skin it more it will be easier to see.

A for site code just log into your profile you can get all the code there.

Office_Shredder

11-28-2004, 03:02 PM

Wait.... so it takes into account how many people went from that site to www.tacticsarena.com?

Bills

11-28-2004, 03:34 PM

No you have to go into your profile and get the code that ranks your site.

AssassinOfLords

11-28-2004, 04:55 PM

Then how is a site with 0 votes, 8 outs, 1 rankings, 0 hits (Flaming Chaos #1), higher than a site with 4 votes, 47 outs, a 4 ranking and 0 hits(Strategic Insomniacs #11)?

Office_Shredder

11-28-2004, 04:57 PM

I know assassin. What's also weird is that the tribunal dropped one spot, twice, in one minute. I don't get it :confused:

I didn't notice any real change in the other sites numbers either

Shaman

11-29-2004, 06:57 AM

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Jeffery

11-29-2004, 07:23 AM

I don't thiunk there will ever be a good way to rank the clans. It would be easiest, and cause less fights, to just rank them alphabetically.

Bills

11-29-2004, 07:26 AM

I know between 10 and 15 df members voted the first day the site was accepted and it only shows 3 votes. They were all from different IP's, so any exculsion detection should not have factored in.

The banners do not come up everytime, with the exception of flashplayer.
Dawg Pound and DragonFires banners come up randomly.

I think once it is finalized as all working (which its not) then they should just do a db wipe and let us all start over.
We will reset rankings,.

Sites have to be ranked, as we want clans sites that have the most effort put into them at the top of the list.

We don't run banners anymroe so hits in don't mean money to us or anything like that, but they do indicated that TAO members are going back and forth between the sites. It just allows us to put all tao clan sites on the list and have the better ones around the top.

Once the system is in place of course.

Shaman

11-29-2004, 08:22 AM

We don't run banners anymroe

By banners I meant the display graphic you can set in the clan site control panel. Did you turn those off? They were on before. Dawg Pound and DF has their images up.

Thargor

11-29-2004, 08:36 AM

ok can someone explain what an "out" and a "hit" is in this context?

Jeffery

11-29-2004, 08:49 AM

Thargor

11-29-2004, 09:06 AM

got it. also, right now looks like the listings are in reverse order.

Jeffery

11-29-2004, 10:09 AM

I think it is set for ascending and not decending order. They are still working the kinks out of the system.
BTW, i looked at the module they are using, and it does look interesting.

Shaman

11-29-2004, 04:10 PM

Another issue.
When you use the image settings, it changes the settings necessary.
I think it was 460x60
then it was 480 x 60
and now it is something like 400 x 52
One day it is one thing and another time another.
Are you tweaking it Bills?
hehe.

:D

AssassinOfLords

11-29-2004, 04:20 PM

It's inverse? Ok, that explains it.

Bills

11-30-2004, 04:28 AM

Out is how many times someone clicked on the clan name, and opened up their website.

I think hit might be the return from the site, to TAO. Not sure if that is enabled yet, but it can track what sites are sending traffic to TAO.
It is but you have to use the code the script gives your site so it can be recorded under your site name.

The site was set by default to inverse... which I found quite odd. I have changed that however we will fix the script this week as well as our neat reviews/faq section.

007 GOD

11-30-2004, 07:03 AM

Why does Bills continue to worry about stuipid things and not the important things,

DO YOUR JOB, DAMNIT

*THE NOTHING* Returns

Shaman

11-30-2004, 04:19 PM

Why does Bills continue to worry about stuipid things and not the important things,
*THE NOTHING* Returns

Since the lobby of TAO has degenerated into a prepubescent chat lounge of A/S/L and "I will marry you" type of conversations, the clan list is important to more 'mature' clans who can no longer bear to listen to the drivvle of the lounge in order to recruit. Hopefully it will drive traffic to the websites so people can find another way to contact clans and join up.

I consider the clan list a wonderful new side benefit to being involved in the TAO community.

Jeffery

11-30-2004, 04:24 PM

Quick question...

So the person signing the clan up must install that script on their page, so people can click it and come to TAO???

The Prophet

11-30-2004, 05:36 PM

Quick question...

So the person signing the clan up must install that script on their page, so people can click it and come to TAO???

I believe that is correct.

Jeffery

11-30-2004, 05:43 PM

I think it is too, but i wanted access to that script for other pages too.

Thargor

11-30-2004, 08:53 PM

thats correct. When you sign up, you are given a link that references a unique id number for your site, which you can then use for voting and hits etc.

Jeffery

11-30-2004, 09:16 PM

But I wanna rig the contest!

Poop Slinger

12-07-2004, 08:16 PM

Okay.. got the voting down.. but how to get the hits to count? I thought but putig a direct link taht i what did it.. anyone who is doing this successfully wanna share?

Jeffery

12-07-2004, 08:29 PM

You have to put the html code you get when you register your site onto your site. Whenever someone clicks on it on your site, they come here, and you get a point.

Poop Slinger

12-07-2004, 08:47 PM

I put the code and all it does in increase our vote count.

Jeffery

12-07-2004, 08:51 PM

Then my guess there is an error. :)

Shaman

12-08-2004, 05:02 AM

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Thargor

12-08-2004, 05:54 AM

I put the code and all it does in increase our vote count.
http://www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php?vote=your number here

thats the code you used right?

make sure that your home page where the link is is exactly whats listed in the clan website details. I think that makes a difference.

Now for some reason we cant get any more outs. I changed our url to point to the new website, but no outs are generated anymore?

The Prophet

12-08-2004, 06:25 AM

Outs and votes are disables right now. Says so under the info link at bottom.

Thargor

12-08-2004, 06:55 AM

doh! *smacks self in the back of the head*

Poop Slinger

12-08-2004, 02:12 PM

From what I can tell.
Hits are generated from the refer code
outs are generated from the linkage code out of clan list
ratings votes are not reflected in a number, only your bar indicator
and you 'votes' are generated from the informational panel

There are some language issues in how they describe events which leads to a misunderstanding in how the possible activities are linked back to your score in each of the categories.

See that is what I thought.. That is what is says.. Overall rating is just a bar based on the rating 1-5.. Which I'm not using as a link. Hits generated by the code.. makes sense.. But this code:
http://www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php?vote=your number here Continues to add Votes.. sometimes.. Once per day.. per IP.

This I have witnessed. So.. I guess I still don't understand where the Hits verus Votes comes in and regardless of what the bottom text says.. Votes, Rating, Outs and Hits are still being counted. Or at least the numbers are going up.

Thargor

12-08-2004, 02:40 PM

something must be FUBAR then with y'alls clan ticker. id put in a help ticket about it perhaps? Cause thats the code i'm using on our site, and it is still generating hits. As far as things being turned off, i think the main 'out' links on the clan website page are turned off atm, but if anyone has the 'out' link elsewhere (like in my sig) those are still adding to the count.

Legion Leader

12-08-2004, 10:47 PM

bills im having a problem submitting my website on the clan websites deal. i put in http://s8.invisionfree.com/Clan_Chaos_Legion/index.php?act=idx but every time i search for chaos legion and click on my banner it comes up with this site does not exist. can you help me?

Jeffery

12-08-2004, 11:04 PM

Probably because the code you are using IS for people to add to your votes. Try replacing the "vote" with "hit".

Legion Leader

12-08-2004, 11:10 PM

and when i click on information panel. it says site does not exist. i cant find that jeffery.

Jeffery

12-08-2004, 11:11 PM

Sorry, my post was supposed to quote poopslinger.

Thargor

12-09-2004, 07:04 AM

Probably because the code you are using IS for people to add to your votes. Try replacing the "vote" with "hit".

I dont use "hit" anywhere on the netjak site, yet we continue to get them with the "vote" code, as it states in the instructions. I think there must be something screwy in the tao end of things

Jeffery

12-09-2004, 07:15 AM

"http://www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php?vote=your number here"

Did you put that on the site? That adds a vote count each time someone clicks on it. I am suggesting you replace "vote" with "hit" in that code piece.

Edit: Tested it, and replacing vote with hit will add to the hit count each time it is clicked. :)

Thargor

12-09-2004, 08:19 AM

hmm, I will give it a try, and see if that effects our numbers

Edit: Ok, now the hits go up faster, but it links to a blank page instead of the tactics arena website?

Poop Slinger

12-09-2004, 09:51 AM

Actually this is funny.. I did the same thing last night and was gonna post it.. but went to sleep instead.

Shaman

12-10-2004, 04:27 AM

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Xgen20033

12-10-2004, 09:55 PM

I messed up registering a site on the clan website page for CLAN NOVA CAT and i need to delete it and put the real site on how can i do that?

Poop Slinger

12-11-2004, 10:51 PM

Vote = hit
Look in the information panel for a clan and you can see the total number of 'raters', that number is the number of people that have rated your clan website 1 through 5.

Vote doesn't equal Hit.. Rating from your site equals hit.. from what I can see

Shaman

12-12-2004, 05:51 AM

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Legion Leader

12-13-2004, 04:54 PM

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shaman if you have nothing to say. dont post at all. thats just spamming

Jeffery

12-13-2004, 05:00 PM

I messed up registering a site on the clan website page for CLAN NOVA CAT and i need to delete it and put the real site on how can i do that?
Just edit the one you regsitered.

Shaman

12-13-2004, 07:31 PM

shaman if you have nothing to say. dont post at all. thats just spamming

If you had been involved with the thread you would know a few things.
1. I posted very comprehensive write-ups of how I thought the coding works.
2. People continuously commented on each post with, "no, I dont think it works that way".
3. Our clan listing is #1, why? maybe because I know what I am talking about.
4. I simply edited my responses out, and so the ..... that you see is not a spamming post, it is the removal of my previous comments.
5. I can not find the delete button, so I can not delete the post instead of editing them out.
6. Unless YOU know what your talking about, perhaps you should refrain from critiquing others post.
7. Perhaps Bills would not appreciate your sig link to a p0rn site. This is supposed to be an all ages strategy gaming website.

cs_zero

12-13-2004, 10:50 PM

Legion Leader=pwnd
Cant you just copy the code from somone who has it working, but just put in the "number" for your clan?

Thargor

12-15-2004, 06:21 AM

wow, Si just got like 600 hits overnight. Y'all giving away free beer or something?

The Prophet

12-15-2004, 06:47 AM

wow, Si just got like 600 hits overnight. Y'all giving away free beer or something?

Nah, its called do whatever you can to get #1 spot. Recruit as many members as possible, go through as many proxies as possible, etc.

:rolleyes:

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 06:58 AM

Not hard to get those hits when you built a bot to do nothing but visit that link asll day long.

The Prophet

12-15-2004, 01:29 PM

Just proves how pathetic they have become.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 01:36 PM

How else do you get 500 hits since this morning? They had 1037, now it's over 1500. Obviously they have modified the code so that everypage they have on their website loads, and references as a hit for them.
They are not the only ones though.

Persoanlly, anyone wanting attention that badly is pitiful, and any clan allowing it is just as pitiful.

Jonspen

12-15-2004, 01:41 PM

Yes, very sad.

They also let any grey in, to boost overall ranking.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 01:52 PM

Well, i won;t go into that, as every clan is allowed to set their own admission policy.

But I got to admit, inviting random Golds isn;t all that great of an idea either.

Jonspen

12-15-2004, 01:53 PM

Meh. I think we now came to the conclusion :

We rock.

The Prophet

12-15-2004, 02:12 PM

Yes we know Dragonfire done it but wouldn't expect it from a "respectable" clan like SI. Just proves that some people will do anything to be #1.

Poop Slinger

12-15-2004, 03:53 PM

But I wanna rig the contest!

And then the blows come.. Actually it isn't hard to promote this game.. And that is what is being done. It isn't patietic to actually have ppl click from gaming forums..

Since we are expanding.. I went to other gaming forums to promote Si and place the link to our clan site and to here. Do you know how many forums there are out there for XBOX and PS2 games? I think its well deserved effort for signing up everywhere and getting results.. Only took a week. There is nothing "rigged" or "pathetic".. Well except maybe your jealously as usual.

Yeah.. poke all you want.. the clan and community is growing.. Because we invite people.. grey.. gold.. high ranked.. low ranked.. We are here to have fun.. And Prophet even you enjoyed some Si time.. Talk about low.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 04:31 PM

So inviting random golds without even asking them first is a sign of a healthy growing clan???

Yup. And when you make out the check for the brooklyn Bridge, make sure it has all 9 0's.
Seriously though, i like to prod everyone, including SI. But when I get random invites on a secondary name, from ANY clan, I mark that as n00b. I never thought I would have seen it from SI. I always thought SI was above such things.

Shaman

12-15-2004, 05:06 PM

Yes we know Dragonfire done it but wouldn't expect it from a "respectable" clan like SI. Just proves that some people will do anything to be #1.

Since this thread is about clan websites and not about recruiting, I think there are a number of things to note.

1. DF is implemented only the code as it exist and the adaptations encouraged by the instructions.
2. Dawg Pound has been as successful as we have been and now that they have implemented the appropriate code, they keep pace with us on a dialy average. We just got a jump on them in days accumulated.
3. It is HIGHLY inlikely that any group can generate 800+ hits in an evening without some serious effort. More effort than I have seen employed in this game at any level without duplicating effort. (
4. DF does not employ bots to pump its count

5. SI has adapted their rating code to restrict results to a 3 or greater.
Simply click their drop down and you only see 3 options instead of 5.
I wonder how Bills feels about clan artifically inflating any aspect of their Clan Ranking system.

As for your derogatory remarks regarding DF.
We must be doing something right, we're still around and most aren't.
Maybe you should stop by and visit sometime.
Clan DragonFire (http://www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php?out=28)

Shaman

12-15-2004, 05:09 PM

There is nothing "rigged" or "pathetic".. Well except maybe your jealously as usual.

Actually, you rigged your rating scores and if you are willing to rig that, how can people not help but wonder about the rest of the process.

Office_Shredder

12-15-2004, 05:11 PM

5. SI has adapted their rating code to restrict results to a 3 or greater.
Simply click their drop down and you only see 3 options instead of 5.
I wonder how Bills feels about clan artifically inflating any aspect of their Clan Ranking system.

Yeah... I just tried rating them... and um... I see all 5.

Shaman

12-15-2004, 05:16 PM

Seriously though, i like to prod everyone, including SI. But when I get random invites on a secondary name, from ANY clan, I mark that as n00b. I never thought I would have seen it from SI. I always thought SI was above such things.

riiiggghhhhtttt.
That is so elitist it hardly is worth the effort to respond, but I will.

A lot of clans adopt two tier recruitment. They do sweeping invites and then require a formal trial to reach tier 2. If they do not trial in a certain time or in the trial are seen as people who should not be wearing the clan uni, they eject them from the clan.

Unless you have a clan leader who can sit the tile 24/7 trialing everyone on direct basis, or you are are simply recycling the same pool of players through multiple clans, then there are few other ways to get recruits.

By performing sweeping invites, you get them into clan chat and other current members can talk to them and evaluate them, thereby taking pressure of the single clan leader to perform all the evaluations themselves.

SI, DP, and DF are successful because they engage in practices that are generally non-elitist and give a wide patch of players the opportunity to be involved. They are also successful because they generally develop their members from the ground up, and have great communication, as opposed to those clans that simply recycle the same clique of clan jumpers over and over. Those clans that lose their leader and collapse completely, despite not being noobish (in your eyes).

Shaman

12-15-2004, 05:19 PM

Yeah... I just tried rating them... and um... I see all 5.

You sure?
http://clandragonfire.angeltowns.com/DragonFire/images/misc/si_12_15_04.jpg
Taken 1 minute ago, maybe you are looking in the wrong location.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 05:22 PM

So inviting any old gold off the street is a good recruitment technique in your eyes......

Well, to each their own. Seems to me inviting just anyone will get more random clan jumpers than ASKING someone if they want to join before inviting them. Sure, asking a Gold who is clanless and has somewhat ok stats if they want to try out for the clan is one thing, but I am talking about completely random invites. As someone who was clanless by choicefor several months, ONLY the n00b clans were using that tecnique. SI, DP, DF, NJ, and other clans that had a strong base would occasionally ask questions, but never do random invite without asking first.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 05:27 PM

Yeah... I just tried rating them... and um... I see all 5.
OS, go to the SI website, and check where they recoded the voting.
http://img150.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img150&image=simodding3kf.jpg

Only option 3, 4 ,and 5 is shown. They don't have access to it on the TAO side, so all 5 still show.

Shaman

12-15-2004, 05:28 PM

Since we are expanding.. I went to other gaming forums to promote Si and place the link to our clan site and to here. Do you know how many forums there are out there for XBOX and PS2 games?

Hits are hits.
If they drive people to TAO, then they deserve the hits.

All Bills cares about is generating interest and if the hits coming from SI or DF or anywhere else get back to TAO, then that is great. That means more players, which means more money to keep the game afloat and means more players for clans to recruit from.

Brilliant.

Again, manipulating your code to artifically influence your ratings. bad.
It makes it hard to trust that the rest of the components of your score are valid however when you will cheat in one way. So, then people begin to wonder about bots and other things.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 05:37 PM

I'm all for promoting the game. I have done that a lot, and strongly encouraged others to do the same. Hell, I dropped $20 to get the game advertised more.
But I also agree that if you compromise your ethics once, you're likely to do it more.
To me there is only one kind of cheating. Either you play by the rules or you don't. Changing your rating box on your site so only the top 3 votes are possible is underhanded.

The Prophet

12-15-2004, 07:08 PM

And Prophet even you enjoyed some Si time...Well except maybe your jealously as usual...

HAHA! Yea 1 day.

The link to TAO from 4thfactor goes straight to the homepage. So you are telling me that people who don't have a clue about the clan listing knows to hit the mtl picture?

Both you and Shaman are not fooling anyone. Your BS can be smelt a mile away. Both of you know what you have done. Shaman I don't know much of you or your clan but your hits really seem superficial.

I guess it is right that cheaters always win, the rankings and the websites prove that.

Shaman

12-15-2004, 07:18 PM

Both you and Shaman are not fooling anyone. Your BS can be smelt a mile away. Both of you know what you have done. Shaman I don't know much of you or your clan but your hits really seem superficial.

Actually, if you knew ANYTHING about my clan, or me, you would not question the count. I had the correct code listed from almost day 1. I was in PM with Bills immediately and I pointed out some issues with the function of the code and answered some questions he had as well.

There is no tricks to where we are at, we were just the first clan to do it right. We also have a pretty large following of people who have belonged in the clan at one time and still keep contact.
Dawg Pound has kept the same pace since they got their code in place and we are similarly designed clans. Are you also calling them cheats as well?

I dont accuse anyone of anything unless its known.
The things known so far:
DF instituted the CORRECT codes first.
SI had manipulated their codes to increase their overall value.

So, unless you want to pony up something more than your obviously petty observation, you might want to shut your pie-hole.

The Prophet

12-15-2004, 07:46 PM

DP's hits aren't elevated and your member page has only about 12 people on it with half retired. Thats my petty observation and I would like to see you shut my "pie-hole".

How can any of this proven? It can't so that enables you to hide behind your little pc and tell what ever lies or truth you want. The only prove of SI is their screw up on the voting numbers. Maybe you are just better at not getting caught.

If it isnt true then say it and be done with it. Like I said I have no way of proving but can only state "petty observations". No reason to get real defensive unless it is true, is it?

Also, Thargor had ours going about the same time you did.

Shaman

12-15-2004, 08:17 PM

I went through all the clan sites as they rolled on and several peoples codes are marred.

You dont drop code in the middle of the script.
SI hardly could have accidently lost the code.

Netjack also modified their script so that the vote referrer goes back to netjack as opposed to the TAO website. That reduces your hit count, since the person is not redirected back to TAO and never completes the circle.
So, your own clan edited the code as well, and in this case screwed itself out of hits.

Here is the code btw from your own website.
<form method='post' action='http://www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php'>
<input type='hidden' name='redirect' value='http://www.netjak-tao.com'>

As opposed to the true code:
<form method='post' action='http://www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php'>
<input type='hidden' name='redirect' value='URLHERE'>
<input type='hidden' name='id' value='28'>

Which if you notice in OUR code, the UNMODIFIED code, that we get a rating AND a hit count everytime someone gives a rating on our site. NETJAK due to its manipulation of the code only gets the rating.

So, once again.
Until you really know what you are talking about, you should really stick a pipe in it.

So far, all I see is that of the top 4 clans,
Dawg Pound and DF doing it right and being appropriately there
SI editing their code to make their rating better than it might otherwise be
Netjack changing their code and screwing themselves out of hits, then whining like little girls because people have higher counts than them.

At least SI thought outside the box and advertised the hell out of TAO and their website to generate their hits. You just cry, when your OWN CODE is screwing you and it is your own fault.

There is your proof. Please go away now.

Thargor

12-15-2004, 08:54 PM

"Below is a code which can be used to have your website rated straight from your site. Remember to replace URLHERE with your sites URL so the script can redirect back, or remove that line of code completely to re-direct to the list. It is suggested you view our Help Card on Rating."

By putting our site in there I was following the directions given. That is hardly called marred or manipulating the code, its called following directions. I havent optimized the site to give the maximum hits/outs/votes possible. I'm simply trying to make a nice site. Your turn to go away.

Thargor

12-15-2004, 09:01 PM

Also, Thargor had ours going about the same time you did.

alas no, I did not. Before i made the current site, it linked straight to the netjak.com site, which has no links back to TAO, and is beyond my control to add them. I personally think DFs numbers are legit. DF was already #1 before i even made www.netjak-tao.com (www.tacticsarena.com/clanwebsites/index.php?out=6)

The Prophet

12-15-2004, 09:15 PM

Shaman, no need to get so defensive and ofensive. There were simple observations made and you blow up like a spoiled brat that hasn't got his way. I said if yours was legit the so be it. The vote redirect makes a little more sense but you only have 89 or so votes.

This really isn't worth the trouble to argue over, so if you are legit then my my bad. Netjak works hard for what it is and is really frustrating to see people "possibly" cheat the system and then rub it in our face. That is my arguement.

So now I will go away. ;)

Shaman

12-15-2004, 11:05 PM

havent optimized the site to give the maximum hits/outs/votes possible. I'm simply trying to make a nice site.

That is what I figured, therefore when you asked in PM regarding the difference in code or methodology I did not comment on it. The change was obviously not a mistake and appeared to be a choice made to keep people in your site rather than move back to TAO. Its result it appears is that your hit count is lower than it could be.

Prophet wanted proof on our our site could be legit and still ahead. I gave it to him. I was not judging WHY your code was different. Just illustrating for him as clearly as he needed and he asked me to to SHOW him why the hit counts COULD be different with no cheating involved. Other sites code has been marred and then subsequently corrected. Your code was manipulated, rather than raw. I was not wrong on either count. Your 'choice' and its consequences are not in question, but Prophet has been a bit rash in his belief that obviously someone must he cheating if his clan is not #1.

There were simple observations made and you blow up like a spoiled brat that hasn't got his way.

I was responding to accusations, not observations.
And my outburst has nothing to do with getting my way, it has to do with listening to people blame others all friggin day long. TAO is supposed to be a breather from my regular life, but today I moved from highly paid people blaming me for things that are their own friggin problem to reasing this thread accusing me and the clan I belong to of cheating when the problem was in fact their own site and code management. Now you may not have KNOWN that your site code created hit issues, but instead of asking the person who actually does it for you on your own forums or in PM, you come here in public and blame others. Yes. I got, and am still, p!$$ed about it. People need to look inward before they start looking outward.

And in some sense, SI is worse off in my mind than you are. At least you were just ill informed and opinionated and Thar was willing to openly acknowledge the purpose of the coding and its effects.

SI sits in this thread defending their strategy regarding hits (which may in fact be legit) when their code is blatantly cheating the system by only offering people 'acceptable' rating opportunities. So they clear one thing up and expose another. And there is no easily dismissed reason why THEIR code is basically cheating.

So, some real world issues lead me to a strong response on these boards.
Sue me.

Poop Slinger

12-15-2004, 11:30 PM

If anyone wanted to rate lower they could do so on TAO forums. If they decided not to rate other links were availible to get them here.. On the link I put on the forums.. I used the hits= as the link. Thus the highly pumped numbered since that is what ppl had clicked. Our vote count went from 82-86 our rating is only a 4.. and was done by what under a 100 ppl? of which 70 or more were there b4 yesterday. So allof the ppl would came here were not forced to rate my site.. or have to give ita 3-4-5 rank.. what 30 ppl did and that is if they came from my site do to that.

As I stated before there was no rigging. I'll admit the code was changed since I noticed from off site when you click on the Rate it actually counts everytime you click on it outside of TAo.. whereas here on TAO it limits it to once per three days per IP.

So yes I removed the 1-2 rating option so that no one could go to my site and lower my rating all day long, if I figured out a hole in the system.. it wasn't gonna take long before others saw it.. The rating in question was removed.. and clicks will continue to come in.

Jeffery

12-15-2004, 11:36 PM

Bah. If we all can't fight and still get along, what kind of wierd twisted family would we be?

Shaman

12-16-2004, 12:54 AM

So yes I removed the 1-2 rating option so that no one could go to my site and lower my rating all day long, if I figured out a hole in the system.. it wasn't gonna take long before others saw it.. The rating in question was removed.. and clicks will continue to come in.

I would then suggest you also remove 4 and 5, as your members may continuously go back to the site and vote an inordinate amount of times in your favor.

You've identified the hole, so the expectation would be that you treat both extreme possibilities fairly.

Poop Slinger

12-16-2004, 01:00 AM

I actually removed the whole thing from the site. Making it less of an issue for those concerned.

Twelve

12-16-2004, 02:49 AM

*reads thread*

*falls off of chair laughing*

Review:

I would say that Shaman pwn3d everyone in here in one regard or another. Including netjaks. This was indeed a legendary "geek battle".

*nods head*

Nice job, Shaman...respect. You're one funny dude. Now make your clan look as good as your clan website ranking, ok?? (smile)

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Thargor

12-16-2004, 06:36 AM

Your code was manipulated, rather than raw. I was not wrong on either count.

allright, I know I should leave this alone, but i'm still feeling wronged, and petty. so:

ma·nip·u·late Pronunciation Key (m-npy-lt)
tr.v. ma·nip·u·lat·ed, ma·nip·u·lat·ing, ma·nip·u·lates

1. To move, arrange, operate, or control by the hands or by mechanical means, especially in a skillful manner: She manipulated the lights to get just the effect she wanted.
2. To influence or manage shrewdly or deviously: He manipulated public opinion in his favor.
3. To tamper with or falsify for personal gain: tried to manipulate stock prices.
4. Medicine. To handle and move in an examination or for therapeutic purposes: manipulate a joint; manipulate the position of a fetus during delivery.

From the tone of the post I dont think you meant def. #1. But if you did, thanks!

Def #2 still doesnt quite fit the bill of your statement.

Def #3 is what i think you meant. You were angry and lashed out, painting me (as the netjak webmaster) in a negative light. Despite the fact that you KNOW (if you read the instructions) what I did was one of the two courses of action suggested by the authors of the software, you have the nerve to call it something bad. OK, i know you were mad, I'll give you leeway for having a bad day. But instead of stopping there you come back and say that it was STILL manipulation.

If you meant Def #4 I must be your anger management therapist, and Prophet is one the people yelling at you in the office. The bill is in the mail. :p

Shaman

12-16-2004, 09:47 AM

1. To move, arrange, operate, or control by the hands or by mechanical means, especially in a skillful manner: She manipulated the lights to get just the effect she wanted.

From the tone of the post I dont think you meant def. #1. But if you did, thanks!

:p

It was #1.
A)Netjak received no personal gain from your code change other than keeping people on your site. It did not influence or change your ranking in a deceitful manner towards a positive outcome in regards to the Clan List.
B) It did however maintain a lower ranking for your site and get Prophets panties in a bunch.
You did both A and B skillfully.

and Twelve.
I have not RUN the clan in a long, long time.
I just give them pointers and I maintain the website as a hobby.

The Prophet

12-16-2004, 10:16 AM

...and get Prophets panties in a bunch.

Can you come fix them for me? :rolleyes:

Jeffery

12-16-2004, 04:54 PM

*grabs Prophets underwear, and gives him a wedgie to hard, it rips his underwear right out.*

Glad i could help.

Spyke72

12-16-2004, 07:40 PM

In regard to DF's hit count, I can vouch that our hits really are that high. The previous owner of the site often posted hit counts and what parts of the globe they were from, and they were always sky-high. Take my word for it or not, but I can agree that our hit counts are fair.

Can't we just get along now?

Jeffery

12-16-2004, 07:43 PM

***hands spyke Prophets underwear***

We are.

The Prophet

12-16-2004, 07:54 PM

Panties Jeff, Panties. Only real men wear underwear.

Megabyte

12-24-2004, 11:27 PM

I feel all confused and pulled in two directions on this subject.

theburning

12-25-2004, 02:18 PM

Shaman, no need to get so defensive and ofensive. There were simple observations made and you blow up like a spoiled brat that hasn't got his way. I said if yours was legit the so be it. The vote redirect makes a little more sense but you only have 89 or so votes.

How can you tell him to not be defensive after saying this to him?

Both you and Shaman are not fooling anyone. Your BS can be smelt a mile away. Both of you know what you have done. Shaman I don't know much of you or your clan but your hits really seem superficial.

I guess it is right that cheaters always win, the rankings and the websites prove that.

No offense here, but sometimes you sort of push people to a point where they feel the need to defend themselves.
I'm sure it's possible that you don't intend your posts to sound as rude as many people take them, but you need to consider how others may feel when reading them.

I mean come on! Cheaters?
How can you say that and expect people to not become defensive?

The Prophet

12-25-2004, 03:05 PM

Thanks for the advice but this is a week old.

Shaman

12-26-2004, 12:11 PM

How can you tell him to not be defensive after saying this to him?

I mean come on! Cheaters?
How can you say that and expect people to not become defensive?

I forgive him.
Mainly because I can defend my position with fact.

Unfortunately not all clans can, as some have used adapted code to achieve their goals. And some still do. :mad: I actually was defending NetJak (in a way), as their code was purposely changed, but to no advantage of their own.

Another Clan mentioned above however, can not say the same. When they were exposed as perhaps being in that grey area, instead of putting themselves on a level playing field with everyone else, they took down their ability to be rated, AND then also edited code in another location of their website to allow people to ONLY rank as a "5". That and the fact they gained as many hits in a few hours as 3 other clans combined did in a week, leads me to still doubt their achievement as an honest advance. Without proof, I guess it is a moot point. Only Bills or a site admin could do a referrer check on those 1k hits in 3 hours time and see if they seem legit or not. I doubt they will spend the time.

As long as people feel no moral obligation, there will always be people willing to 'bend the rules', even if not out and out cheat.

*shrug*
I slowly am learning to live with it.

cs_zero

12-26-2004, 09:15 PM

I feel all confused and pulled in two directions on this subject.

About the panties, or the code changeing? :p

Terps rock

06-01-2005, 10:08 PM

Jeffery

06-02-2005, 12:31 AM

Terps, your argument that you rigged the voting on your site so people wouldn't "hate on you" doesn't work, because people are still limited in the number of times they can vote anyways.
By your thinking, you are cheating the ranking of the clan pages so that someone else doesn't cheat you first. Several problems with that thinking, the first being two wrongs do not make a right.

Shaman

06-02-2005, 04:22 AM

You shaman, If I get anyone telling me to fix it, I will just I know I have some haters, who will spend half an hour rating me a 1. If there is anything about my site you mention again, Please Pm, so I know that you were talking about my clan.

I wasn't only talking about your clan, but you called me out.
Like I said in the other thread, its just funny that the people that call me out are some of the ones that have cheating clans.

Terps rock

06-02-2005, 10:59 AM

Well, I figured you were tallking about me, and I just wanted to be sure, but I understand you complaint, but don't see a reason to fix it, unless someone of a higher powers orders me to.

The Prophet

06-02-2005, 01:49 PM

...unless someone of a higher powers orders me to.
I order you this instant. :p

legolas77

06-04-2005, 04:01 PM

everytime i add site it says it does not exist what am i to do ?

Terps rock

06-04-2005, 05:26 PM

Give up and quit the game and never come back to the forums.

K9beast

06-06-2005, 11:19 AM

I hear you Legolas. I have been having the same problem for months. I figured maybe it was the fault of the host that I was making the site on so I tried a few others. I still haven't gotten any luck. If anyone has got an answer to this problem I all ears.

speaker4thedead

06-07-2005, 02:16 AM

everytime i add site it says it does not exist what am i to do ?

you need to make shore that when you make a site that you acctivate it. If you think that you have activated it ( if you have msn e.t.c.) give the link to ppl to try out to make shore it works.

If your still getting the same problem ill make you one so it certain that its working :cool:

legolas77

06-07-2005, 12:30 PM

you need to make shore that when you make a site that you acctivate it. If you think that you have activated it ( if you have msn e.t.c.) give the link to ppl to try out to make shore it works.

If your still getting the same problem ill make you one so it certain that its working :cool:
it is active can you try it lotr.taoangels.com

Jeffery

06-07-2005, 12:38 PM

Pssst.
http://lotr.taoclans.com/

And I am not sure if the clansites will accept my domain masking.....
You might have to link with the actual freewebs address when adding it to the clan lists.

legolas77

06-07-2005, 12:56 PM

Pssst.
http://lotr.taoclans.com/

And I am not sure if the clansites will accept my domain masking.....
You might have to link with the actual freewebs address when adding it to the clan lists.
jeff i submited all form of websites from freewebs to your mask to geocities and i am still getting the same error.

Jeffery

06-07-2005, 02:24 PM

Double check and make sure you are including http:// for the addresses. I just added one to test it, and it is stillworking fine.

legolas77

06-08-2005, 08:00 AM

Double check and make sure you are including http:// for the addresses. I just added one to test it, and it is stillworking fine.
i did still does not work

speaker4thedead

06-08-2005, 09:16 AM

i did still does not work
why dont you let jeffery add it for you if he wishes

legolas77

06-08-2005, 09:18 AM

why dont you let jeffery add it for you if he wishes
i trust jeff it is up to him

Knight Reapers

06-08-2005, 03:27 PM

Hey Legolas77.... The Knight Reapers Have Officially Declared War On Your Clan....we Are At War!!!!!!!!

Megabyte

06-08-2005, 03:51 PM

Hey Legolas77.... The Knight Reapers Have Officially Declared War On Your Clan....we Are At War!!!!!!!!

TAO does not support any clan war system officially, so posting it here is...well, annoying.

Also, pm him, or post it on their forums, or at LEAST go to a proper section for it, like clan discussion or something.

War God

06-09-2005, 03:20 PM

I just added my site, I validated the E-mail, and got a E-mail back saying it was approved. How come it hasn't showed up on the list yet? I checked each entry, I didn't see my site listed.

zzzaacckk

06-09-2005, 03:37 PM

did you check the second page? there is a link at the bottom. If not maybe Sergiy needs to validate it.

_Thunder_

06-09-2005, 10:35 PM

zack is cool.

22woger22

06-10-2005, 02:10 AM

Hey Legolas77.... The Knight Reapers Have Officially Declared War On Your Clan....we Are At War!!!!!!!!

Battle of the newbs. I put $5 that both clans are going to disappear after this so-called "war".

speaker4thedead

06-10-2005, 06:55 AM

most new clans dissaper even when there is no war

legolas77

06-10-2005, 07:54 AM

Battle of the newbs. I put $5 that both clans are going to disappear after this so-called "war".
well i dont blame you for what you noted but our clan is not a noob thier clan is, on the other hand we are fairly new you can look at the rating my clan is LordOf-TheRings and we don't do wars. :dry:

Zoticus

06-29-2005, 10:09 PM

www.jokerswild.us.tt

waterpolo_tao

07-18-2005, 12:19 PM

I got email validation, admin validation. but it wont work. It says website does not exist when i click on it, but i can go to it, and even my clan members caqn go to it. please help. http://www.freewebs.com/tao_army/

-=TAO ARMY=-

-waterpolo

Zoticus

07-18-2005, 07:15 PM

look on the frist page.

bobdagangsta

07-22-2005, 01:38 PM

so i c zoticus left JW, LOTR, and now is in The Snake Pit. LOL

22woger22

07-22-2005, 05:48 PM

so i c zoticus left JW, LOTR, and now is in The Snake Pit. LOL
Wrong. Lord of the Rings IS The Snake Pit.

They just changed names, but the snake pit have all the same members that were in LOTR.

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bobdagangsta

07-22-2005, 08:24 PM

i didnt no why u gonna give me a negetaive rep gosh. LOL i give u rep and u give me neg. huh? so thats how it works

22woger22

07-22-2005, 08:28 PM

i didnt no why u gonna give me a negetaive rep gosh. LOL i give u rep and u give me neg. huh? so thats how it works
Actually, I forgot to give it to you for this post in the Newbie Board.

Take it easy one the noob

Please excuse my late neg.

PS. You did not give me any rep, I checked my User CP. Feel free to neg me in revenge now :).

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LIGER123

07-24-2005, 02:02 PM

Recruiting members now

Join the elite, join the New Republicans

Clan Leader: LIGER123 :king:
Co-Leader: THE 1 only hot chick :angel:

waterpolo_tao

07-24-2005, 06:37 PM

Hey, I still can't get the -=TAO ARMY=- site up! its works everytime that I type it, it just doesn't work on the clan websites page... http://www.freewebs.com/tao_army/index.htm please help ME!!!

-waterpolo

22woger22

07-25-2005, 01:58 AM

Recruiting members now

Join the elite, join the New Republicans

Clan Leader: LIGER123 :king:
Co-Leader: THE 1 only hot chick :angel:
Go post a thread about this clan at the "clan discussion" Board. Althought I don't think you'd be getting much luck there.

Hey, I still can't get the -=TAO ARMY=- site up! its works everytime that I type it, it just doesn't work on the clan websites page... http://www.freewebs.com/tao_army/index.htm please help ME!!!

-waterpolo

Maybe you can PM sergiy? I don't know. . .

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