Jeffery/Twin etc.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Jeffery, no offense

Hehe.

Lets keep it all a bit on the low. This thread already experienced a SI vs Netjak blow out. Let wait for another thread to pop up and we'll go further there.

Word?

Word.

[Bottle]

Nah, the netjak-SI war is raging on Jonspen's thread. :)

[WaCk-HeAd]

Lets move Netjakkians! It's time for war!

DumDumDummmmm.

[Bottle]

*Mobilises SI's standing army*

*Preps nuclear warheads*

*Checks stocks of cheese*

Ok, we're ready for ya. Bring it on. :)

[theburning]

Hehe.

Lets keep it all a bit on the low. This thread already experienced a SI vs Netjak blow out. Let wait for another thread to pop up and we'll go further there.

Word?

Word.

I wasn't attacking netjak! It was clearly an attack on Jeffery alone!

[StillJeffery]

Yes, because when confronted with her being a hypocrit, she bans as fast as she can.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Actually, the white riders have only a few ranked members, and they are all ranked high.

Aye, Thargor speaks the truth. But SI is still better looking...netjak has nice features, but isn't "hot". And Jeffery frightens young women and children. :D

And Jeff, what was that? I thought we were past cheap shots and shit. Don't be an asshole.

*Edit* How did Jeff get banned?

-Rogue_Wolf

[StillJeffery]

I got banned for cussing one to many times.

Twin got banned because he pointed out that burning was complaining about her clans number one growth technique being used by another clan.

[Rogue_Wolf]

She wasn't complaining. She was coming back at me for saying she didn't care about Si on Army.

-Rogue_Wolf

[StillJeffery]

Doesn't matter really.

I hit closer to the truth than she liked. So she tried to slap me down again.

[Rogue_Wolf]

I have to disagree. She wouldn't ban you just because of a remark you made. If she did that, half on netjak would be banned.

Maybe she banned you because your Jeffery account was banned, but you came back and started posting with Twin?

-Rogue_Wolf

[StillJeffery]

Yeah. It makes sense that a whole day after I first posted with him, and she knew I was, it wasn;t until an off handed remark that she banned it.

Makes sense if you're derenged maybe.

Obviously it was my comment about her bting a hypocrit that did it.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Whatever, I don't wanna start an arguement and ruin another one of Thargor's thread. Think what you want.

-Rogue_Wolf

[theburning]

I got banned for cussing one to many times.

Twin got banned because he pointed out that burning was complaining about her clans number one growth technique being used by another clan.


Actually, you were banned because Duffman and I have decided to start being more strict around here. So don't bother thinking your empty attacks actually did anything to me.

No worries, it was only a matter of time before Bills banned you anyways.

You're now going to be permanently banned.

[Yup]

Yes, it was just an amazing coincidence that you banned right after the comment, instead of anywhere between yesterday and the comment.

BTW, how much will you pay for that bridge? I'll give you a real good deal.

[theburning]

Yes, it was just an amazing coincidence that you banned right after the comment, instead of anywhere between yesterday and the comment.

BTW, how much will you pay for that bridge? I'll give you a real good deal.

Nope?
Your overall negativity on these forums is exactly what isn't needed right now.
Sure that was more of a personal attack than anything else, but it opened my eyes to the true ass you are!
I reassess my ways and decided to change them.

If Twin had been pleasant I would have left him alone.
However, creating a new name and being a jerk is just begging for a banning

Jeffery, the bottom line is we let too many things slide, and not just with you. Regardless of what you think, you were well deserving of your ban. And if you disagree then that just further proves why you were never made a moderator here to begin with.

[theburning]

The currently leader is Search66!
Where is he anyways?
I haven't seen him in a few weeks.
Perhaps he took a vacation over the holidays?

[FryLock]

Bah.

Jeffery didn't violate anything in the TOS (although I was reading fast, so maybe I missed something?) And when he asked for a reason, you didn't deign to give him one, except that you and duffman are cracking down "on a lot of stuff."

If you can honestly say that a well-known SI member would have gotten the same treatment in this situation...well...we all know that wouldn't be the case.

Although, to be fair, I don't think this is even a netjak / SI issue. It's a burning / Jeff issue. Did either of you think to resolve it via pm or try talking it out?

I would like to see a concrete reason for Jeff's banning. (predicted response: if you have to ask, it just shows how ignorant to bad behavior you are).

Prove me wrong. Please.

If it was the insults, then yes, perhaps that's a valid case...but in this case, with someone so well-known throughout TAO, perhaps a PM warning or even a public warning would have been thoughtful. Reputation matters. As you of all people know. Jeff deserved better. Even if he was not my clanmate and friend I would say he deserved better than an outright and seeming arbitrary banning, followed by no explanation.

Hmm. I wonder if this post will get ME banned. I don't see why it would...but I don't really see why Jeff's did, either.

[Rogue_Wolf]

[ this has been a half cut post brough tto you curtosy of Bacardi ]

Ahahahaha ! I miss your drunked posts :(

*Hot glues Rescorlian to his seat*

Now leave TAO :p

-Rogue_Wolf

[actgfin1234]

Nope?
Your overall negativity on these forums is exactly what isn't needed right now.
Sure that was more of a personal attack than anything else, but it opened my eyes to the true ass you are!
I reassess my ways and decided to change them.

If Twin had been pleasant I would have left him alone.
However, creating a new name and being a jerk is just begging for a banning

Jeffery, the bottom line is we let too many things slide, and not just with you. Regardless of what you think, you were well deserving of your ban. And if you disagree then that just further proves why you were never made a moderator here to begin with.

Ouch. Damn. I love you Julia.

Oh yeah, TO FryLock, The TOS says members can be banned for any reason.

[Rogue_Wolf]

I for one, didn't think Jeff should have gotten banned...in the beginning. I've seen people get away with worse. But he messed up when he continued to come back, and chose to argue about being banned. He agreed to Meletus being banned after coming back to Bills, why should he be treated any different? And having special treatment just because you're well known shouldn't be allowed.

I'm not saying this just because Jeff's in netjak. He should have just got a warning in the beginning. People running around like The Cheat and *The Nothing* deserved to be banned more than Jeff. But he messed up when he came back and continued to heckle a mod.

-Rogue_Wolf

[theburning]

Bah.

Jeffery didn't violate anything in the TOS (although I was reading fast, so maybe I missed something?) And when he asked for a reason, you didn't deign to give him one, except that you and duffman are cracking down "on a lot of stuff."

If you can honestly say that a well-known SI member would have gotten the same treatment in this situation...well...we all know that wouldn't be the case.

Although, to be fair, I don't think this is even a netjak / SI issue. It's a burning / Jeff issue. Did either of you think to resolve it via pm or try talking it out?

I would like to see a concrete reason for Jeff's banning. (predicted response: if you have to ask, it just shows how ignorant to bad behavior you are).

Prove me wrong. Please.

If it was the insults, then yes, perhaps that's a valid case...but in this case, with someone so well-known throughout TAO, perhaps a PM warning or even a public warning would have been thoughtful. Reputation matters. As you of all people know. Jeff deserved better. Even if he was not my clanmate and friend I would say he deserved better than an outright and seeming arbitrary banning, followed by no explanation.

Hmm. I wonder if this post will get ME banned. I don't see why it would...but I don't really see why Jeff's did, either.
Actually, I'm the exact same with SI! I nearly put Bottle in League C etc. Ask Wack-head, I don't give SI preferred treatment. I even just removed Kyrios from the league for inactivity!

In all honesty, I don't take clans the way most other people do. I know a lot of SI will be semi-disappointed over my saying that too. I look at SI just as a group of people who I really enjoy talking to.

As for Jeffery, he was banned for insults, excessive swearing (despite my warnings to stop) and overall negativity. I gave Jeffery many warnings, I originally editted his posts and asked him to stop. I told him the next step was banning! He knew the risks.

If his Twin account had returned being pleasant I would have most definitely allowed him to stay (as I have for Vival and Achilles.) But Twin was carrying around the exact same negativity as Jeffery.

His original ban was for 3 days. If he had of sent a PM or something apologizing for the swearing more than likely I would have unbanned him. Up until a week ago or so I liked him (For the most part at least :)) My original post to him in reply to his cheap insult perfectly explains how I feel towards him now.

And as for you seeing no reason for it, even Jeffery stated in a few of his posts that he was surprised he wasn’t banned a long time ago. I asked Duffman if he thought I did the wrong then and he agreed with what I had done, so it isn’t just me.

[theburning]

I for one, didn't think Jeff should have gotten banned...in the beginning. I've seen people get away with worse. But he messed up when he continued to come back, and chose to argue about being banned. He agreed to Meletus being banned after coming back to Bills, why should he be treated any different? And having special treatment just because you're well known shouldn't be allowed.

I'm not saying this just because Jeff's in netjak. He should have just got a warning in the beginning. People running around like The Cheat and *The Nothing* deserved to be banned more than Jeff. But he messed up when he came back and continued to heckle a mod.

-Rogue_Wolf

I DID warn him! I had to delete a post of his which contained nothing but f*** this, f*** that. He reposted it saying my deleting of his post was exactly what he meant. Do you honestly think I'm going to allow children to be reading such language?

I then sent him a warning, telling him the next step was a ban.
He swore yet again, and was banned for 3 days. Came back as Twin and continued with negativity etc. so I decided a ban for Twin for 7 days was in order. That's when he came back YET AGAIN. It was at that point that I decided the permanent ban was in order.

[Rogue_Wolf]

I DID warn him! I had to delete a post of his which contained nothing but f*** this, f*** that. He reposted it saying my deleting of his post was exactly what he meant. Do you honestly think I'm going to allow children to be reading such language?

I then sent him a warning, telling him the next step was a ban.
He swore yet again, and was banned for 3 days. Came back as Twin and continued with negativity etc. so I decided a ban for Twin for 7 days was in order. That's when he came back YET AGAIN. It was at that point that I decided the permanent ban was in order.

I stand corrected. I retract my further statement.

-Rogue_Wolf

[nads]

Wow, I get a new job and go to work for 2 days and this is what happens.

[Bottle]

I can't help but notice a few things in the last 2 pages.

1. Resc's posts have become steadily more drunken. :)
2. Everyone agrees that Jeff was an ass for what he was doing.
3. Most people agree that he should have been banned.
4. This is the WRONG THREAD to discuss this in.
5. This puts me top of the posters list. :D

[NotJeffery]

1) he gets better with booze.
2) nothing new there.
3) YAY
4) As are most
5) Consider it fullfilling my post reset wish.


*slinks away into the dark.*

[Thargor]

allrighty, back to topic. I added the FPS rankings back for those who wish to see them. Also, when i have time to code it into my macros, I am also going to add an average rank catagory. For the current rankings it will show how many ranked members there are, and the average rank.

[Poop Slinger]

Damn you and your returns to the topics of the threads you started!.. Have you too many manners to stay focused and not become ADD like the rest of us!.. Every good and valid post here needs to be filled with non-related post whoring and hatred for one another.. It says so in the TOS. (go double Smilies :) :) )

I was watching the soap here as the story unfolds and Resc got drunker... Rogue I do hope you smelled the glue before applying it. Jeff aren't you using AOL or something anyway.. so every Bann placed on you just will block somone else in the future?

[The Prophet]

And why is poop slinger still registered? Julia knows good and well who it is and didnt her boss ban his other account?

[theburning]

And why is poop slinger still registered? Julia knows good and well who it is and didnt her boss ban his other account?


If Twin had been pleasant I would have left him alone.
However, creating a new name and being a jerk is just begging for a banning

Notice that I said if Jeffery had dropped the negativity I'd have left him alone? If slinger was to start something up again I'd ban him too.
If Jeffery had just apologized for the swearing the ban would have never occured, but he has some sort of pride issue which won't allow him to do that.

Also note that it was Bills who banned Meletus (for insulting him),not for swearing etc.
I had nothing to do with that banning and don't know full details.
If Bills wanted to reban him I'd totally see why.

Feel free to report him if you think it's necessary.

[The Prophet]

I am not defending Jeffery. Shouldn't all known new accounts of a banned user also be banned?

If so, regardless if you had anything to with it or not you are a moderator.

[theburning]

I am not defending Jeffery. Shouldn't all known new accounts of a banned user also be banned?

If so, regardless if you had anything to with it or not you are a moderator.

I don't think so.
If they come back pleasant and have learned their lesson from the banning.

I believe in second chances. We gave that to taoruler and he's changed a lot.
Like I said, Jeffery wasn't permanently banned until after he created 6 or 7 new accounts, all of which carried the same negativity that Jeffery had been.

[KillKrome]

Since when is negativity a bannable thing though?

I mean, Twin got banned for an offhanded comment about clans. It didn;t attack anyone specifically, and just stated a view I have long held, and stated, about clans.

And after I noticed I had cussed, i was willing to deal with jeffery being banned. I wa snot cursing, and had toned down. But when a discussion arises on clans, why would i not be allowed to state the same view i have had for months?
Just because you have the opposite view, you "decided to be stricter". And when anyone makes comments about me, I will reserve the right to reply.

[theburning]

Since when is negativity a bannable thing though?

I mean, Twin got banned for an offhanded comment about clans. It didn;t attack anyone specifically, and just stated a view I have long held, and stated, about clans.

And after I noticed I had cussed, i was willing to deal with jeffery being banned. I wa snot cursing, and had toned down. But when a discussion arises on clans, why would i not be allowed to state the same view i have had for months?
Just because you have the opposite view, you "decided to be stricter". And when anyone makes comments about me, I will reserve the right to reply.

It isn't bannable? But if you're banned you're not supposed to be here in the first place! So if you are going to be, you better try to at least make TAO better?
Therefore, coming back to TAO while banned is a permanent bannable offense! Though, if the person comes back and is pleasant I usually overlook it.

You're wrong actually, if you ask Duffman he'll tell you that he and I had discussed nearly a week ago about being stricter on bans, allowing people to come back etc.

Jeffery was only banned for 3 days. Once I banned Twin it was up to 7 for both. Then, when you continued to make hundreds of more accounts it went to permanent! All you needed to do was say sorry for it instead of acting all self righteous and I would have taken it away.

[emerald slasher]

im not taking sides but did you guys tell us you were going to be getting stricter? wait nvm i see the thread about bannings at the top

[Rogue_Wolf]

Shouldn't all known new accounts of a banned user also be banned?

Meletus was banned for only a few days. And since he rarely posts here anymore, and when he does, he's not cussing, making attacks on clans, or picking fights with mods, he's allowed to stay.

It didn;t attack anyone specifically,

Yeah, because weak clans that grow only by absorbing other clans will still be a weak clan. I mean, as long as a clan cares more about just adding anybody who wanders by, they will suck, no matter what the numbers say.

What you said was a cheap shot at SI...which I thought SI and Netjak were past this, but apparently, some of us aren't. Things like this spark fights between clans. Actually, The Prophet said something almost identical to this, and thats how me and him got into it. That was the negativity you were bringing, or could have brought. Not deserving of a ban, but then again, this isn't the main reason you were banned.

Your first ban was for rude conduct, if I'm not mistaken. A 3 day ban for your Jeffery account.

Then you started attacking theburning by calling her a hypocrit, and questioning her as a mod. This was all taken place while you were on your Twin account, since your Jeffery account was banned. Which you're not allowed to continue posting after one of your accounts is banned. This got you a week ban.

Then you kept coming back, and arguing about it. This got you permanently banned.

You didn't get banned because you made a negative comment about a clan, or because you brought negativity. You got banned because you broke the rules.

-Rogue_Wolf

[Rescorlian]

Sing it brother!! And the Good Rogue spoke unto the peasants of the land logic and reasoning.

And it was good.

The peasants rejoiced upon these words and learned the truth o the matter.

And it was good.

And the Rescorlian was pleased with this turn of events, and said unto the people ... "RUM FOR EVERYONE!!!"

And it was very good.

[Sure]

Rogue, I have had that viewpoint about clans for FAR FAR longer than I ever even knew what NJ or SI was. I took that view under the first mass clan merging. I said it then, and I said it again.
If you all feel guilty about it, it's your own fault.

Burning, I am not going to apologize. I said everytime someone makes a comment to me, I will respond. I stated my opinions. Too bad if people don't like them.

Yes, I accepted being banned for cussing. And I thought I was behaving quite well on Twin. I made my OPINION on clan mergers known. The same opinion I said over 7 months ago. For that you decided AT THAT TIME to "be stricter".
Funny how 24 hours went by between my using Twin, and your banning it. Funny how it wasn't until after the clans comment.

That is a fact, and trying to cover yourself just doesn't fly well.


I again say, if someone comments to me, I WILL respond.

[theburning]

Rogue, I have had that viewpoint about clans for FAR FAR longer than I ever even knew what NJ or SI was. I took that view under the first mass clan merging. I said it then, and I said it again.
If you all feel guilty about it, it's your own fault.

Burning, I am not going to apologize. I said everytime someone makes a comment to me, I will respond. I stated my opinions. Too bad if people don't like them.

Yes, I accepted being banned for cussing. And I thought I was behaving quite well on Twin. I made my OPINION on clan mergers known. The same opinion I said over 7 months ago. For that you decided AT THAT TIME to "be stricter".
Funny how 24 hours went by between my using Twin, and your banning it. Funny how it wasn't until after the clans comment.

That is a fact, and trying to cover yourself just doesn't fly well.


I again say, if someone comments to me, I WILL respond.

Duffman and I decided to carry through with our plans long before I ever banned your Jeffery account. I became stricter with you when you turned back into the regular jerk you were before. Why would I overlook the fact that you're not supposed to be here if you aren't even being pleasant on here?

I have no further reason to justify my actions.

Think whatever you want to think Jeffery, it really doesn't bother me.
I'll no longer reply to you.
From now on all of your posts will be deleted.

[emerald slasher]

agrees with rescorlian

[Rescorlian]

Sing it brother And Sister!! And the Good Rogue spoke unto the peasants of the land logic and reasoning.

And it was good.

The peasants rejoiced upon these words and learned the truth o the matter.

And it was good.

The heroin theburning slammed the evil doer, sending him from the good land forever.

And it was good.

The peasants once again rejoiced for they knew a great justice had been done.

And it was good.

And the Rescorlian was VERY pleased with this turn of events, and said unto the people, "Rum and Nacho's for everyone!!"

All was well once again, and the peasants rejoiced and were merry.

And it was good.

[Krome]

well done julia !!!!!!

Jeffery is an ass !!!!

[The Prophet]

How come this post was overlooked? :rolleyes: Wait let me guess, he was provoked?

Meletus at his finest (http://70.84.36.198/forum/showpost.php?p=258787&postcount=105)

[Majestic]

I have one question, how in the world did my name come up in that post by meletus if its recent, I havent verbally attacked SI or netjak in many months so inform me please ? I just dont understand it at all.

[Rogue_Wolf]

CD, in that thread, SI and Netjak got into a big fight. I don't want to repeat what was said, so if you'd like to read the entire thread, you can. Its in "Clan Rankings" in the Banff forums.

Pophet, Meletus was just venting. Wouldn't you be mad if the clan you created was being downtalked?

-Rogue_Wolf

[theburning]

How come this post was overlooked? :rolleyes: Wait let me guess, he was provoked?

Meletus at his finest (http://70.84.36.198/forum/showpost.php?p=258787&postcount=105)

It wasn't overlooked. Jeffery's banning has nothing to do with his obvious jealousy over the greatness that is SI.
His banning has to do with his negativity over TAO forums, Bills etc.

You don't really think Bills would have held back from banning Jeffery had he read his posts, do you?

Prophet, I've already stated (with reasons) why Jeffery was banned & have also stated why certain other people weren't banned. If you want to call it my love of SI, you're entirely wrong. If that was the case then please tell me why the hell I left Vival alone when he came back? He is someone I have more reason to hate on TAO than anyone else.

The bottom line here is that you love to defend your clan, which is totally alright with me (and even respectable). You also clearly love to go against me. But I learned to not let it get to me when I realized that you'd most likely agree with someone in netjak if they told you that the sky was fluorescent black.

[The Prophet]

Pophet, Meletus was just venting. Wouldn't you be mad if the clan you created was being downtalked?

I guess I assumed right that it was overlooked because he was provoked and was only "venting". I believe I was called several profane names and told to go do a sexual act to another person. I think that is a little more than venting.

It wasn't overlooked. Jeffery's banning has nothing to do with his obvious jealousy over the greatness that is SI.
His banning has to do with his negativity over TAO forums, Bills etc.

You don't really think Bills would have held back from banning Jeffery had he read his posts, do you?

Prophet, I've already stated (with reasons) why Jeffery was banned & have also stated why certain other people weren't banned. If you want to call it my love of SI, you're entirely wrong. If that was the case then please tell me why the hell I left Vival alone when he came back? He is someone I have more reason to hate on TAO than anyone else.

The bottom line here is that you love to defend your clan, which is totally alright with me (and even respectable). You also clearly love to go against me. But I learned to not let it get to me when I realized that you'd most likely agree with someone in netjak if they told you that the sky was fluorescent black.

Again I am not defending Jeffery. My point is that there shouldn't be double standards. You let your clan leader cuss, call names and be negative but ban another forum member for the exact same things.

This is why I was glad to see you were leaving and dissappointed when you came back. Never has there been fair treatment from you to all other clans.

[theburning]

This is why I was glad to see you were leaving and dissappointed when you came back. Never has there been fair treatment from you to all other clans.

You clearly have very poor observation skills if you honestly think that.

[The Prophet]

Prove me wrong and do the right thing.

[theburning]

Prove me wrong and do the right thing.

I think that should read 'Please ban Meletus for me because I hate him."
I am doing the right thing here, regardless of what you might think.

There is a long list of people who were banned and came back under a new name who are STILL not banned - only one of them is in SI. If you read over my posts regarding the banning it clearly stated that if someone was to return and have actually changed I'd let them be. When Melissa was arguing in that clan war which you kindly provided me with the URL to you'd see it was 2 sided. On the other hand, Jeffery (as usual) managed to come into a war-free zone and pull out a gun.

Walrus, Vival, Achilles and many others are still around (all of whom which I disliked much more than I ever disliked Jeffery). I have more reason than anyone to ban vival, but he knows that as long as he behaves he can stick around. The same was true for Jeffery at one point.

Your disapproval of my moderation ways doesn't surprise me. I've gotten non-stop grief from you ever since I received my position. It's interesting that there are no other clans who feel that I give SI preferred treatment but you.

Out of curiosity, could you possibly provide me with examples of me giving SI preferred treatment?

[The Prophet]

I think that should read 'Please ban Meletus for me because I hate him."
I am doing the right thing here, regardless of what you might think.

There is a long list of people who were banned and came back under a new name who are STILL not banned - only one of them is in SI. If you read over my posts regarding the banning it clearly stated that if someone was to return and have actually changed I'd let them be. When Melissa was arguing in that clan war which you kindly provided me with the URL to you'd see it was 2 sided. On the other hand, Jeffery (as usual) managed to come into a war-free zone and pull out a gun.

Walrus, Vival, Achilles and many others are still around (all of whom which I disliked much more than I ever disliked Jeffery). I have more reason than anyone to ban vival, but he knows that as long as he behaves he can stick around. The same was true for Jeffery at one point.

Your disapproval of my moderation ways doesn't surprise me. I've gotten non-stop grief from you ever since I received my position. It's interesting that there are no other clans who feel that I give SI preferred treatment but you.

Out of curiosity, could you possibly provide me with examples of me giving SI preferred treatment?

Whatever makes you feel good. I prove my case and still it is blown off. To be honest this is really the only "provable" instance. This really isn't about NJ vs. SI. This is about you not treating your clan leader with the same "strictness".

I made my point and now I am done. Again I have to just sit back and agree to dissagree. You really enjoy the power you have don't you?


Edit:
If Meletus truly offended you by this, you would have PMed or reported the post to a Moderator. So its kinda hard for me to buy that you're upset about his comment.
I was not truly offended by him. I agree that it was just a childish vent. But nonetheless he had the same actions as Jeffery but were overlooked. Not just by Julia but by all the mods.

[theburning]

Whatever makes you feel good. I prove my case and still it is blown off. To be honest this is really the only "provable" instance. This really isn't about NJ vs. SI. This is about you not treating your clan leader with the same "strictness".

I'm being objective here when I say that you've made no point.
I've given you many reasons as to why you're wrong too.

[The Prophet]

Jeffery cussed - Meletus cussed
Jeffery said mean things - Meletus said mean things
Jeffery was "negative" - Meletus was negative
Jeffery made an account after being banned- Meletus made an account after being banned.
Jeffery acted the same on new account - Meltus acted the same on the new account

What else do you need? Don't be two-faced.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Prophet, the mods and admins here aren't the most consistent, I agree. But also take into consideration that they just started taking their job more seriously. Jeff was just the first one to be banned.

And this isn't about SI and Netjak. Jeffery deserved to be banned because he was warned. Meletus made the one post, and then stopped. The mods didn't just see Jeffery, and say, "I don't like his attitude, lets ban him". He got a warning, and chose to ignore it. He got a slap on the wrist, then chose to go on his seperate account, and post. When he made his first negative comment, which was calling clans weak for merging, the mods gave him a 7 week ban. He then kept coming back, and so the mods gave him a permanent ban.

This is the difference betweens incidents.

-Rogue_Wolf

[The Prophet]

Another SI'er defending his leader

[Rogue_Wolf]

I thought this wasn't about SI and Netjak? :rolleyes:

-Rogue_Wolf

[The Prophet]

Did I mention Netjak?

[Rogue_Wolf]

No not really, but it was about SI. I retract my further statement then. Your "SIer" remark threw me off, and I apologize.

But what you did say was that I defend my leader, which I do and am happy to do so. But you did make a cocky remark, and what I said may have been misguided, but it was better than what I was gonna say :)

-Rogue_Wolf

[theburning]

Another SI'er defending his leader

You do realize that I'd love to ban Melissa? Just for fun!
I don't take this clan stuff nearly as seriously as you think. I know that's hard for someone like you to imagine, but it's true.

As Regina said, our new strictness just started this week. With recent events (too many n00bs etc.) Duffman and I realized we needed to get it together.
What applied in the past doesn't anymore. If I was to catch Meletus swearing I'd warn him, then ban him if he didn't stop (for 3 days.)

Anytime I see someone swearing I edit their post and warn them (as of last week.) I've sent out 5 warnings today alone.

Please also try to realize I don't read every post on these forums, I don't have that kind of time. If you want to search the posts of all the members of these forums (though we both know you only care about ratting out on SI) from now on and inform me of swearing, I welcome you to do so.

[The Prophet]

Julia and Rogue I just want to say for the record I do not take this as serious as it may seem. I have always been a person to like a good arguement and give a poke in the eye to those in charge. I am christian and dont like to have people offended or upset by me.

Julia if you feel you are doing right then all I can do is voice and like I said agree to dissagree.

[theburning]

Julia and Rogue I just want to say for the record I do not take this as serious as it may seem. I have always been a person to like a good arguement and give a poke in the eye to those in charge.

I think we both already knew this of you!

I am christian and dont like to have people offended or upset by me.

I personally have nothing against you, but I can list quite a few people who have been both offended and upset by you at one time or another.

Julia if you feel you are doing right then all I can do is voice and like I said agree to dissagree.

At last! We can agree on something.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Then its settled. Now lets leave this thread alone. Since last time me and The Prophet were left without adult supervision, we cam out with guns blazing and arms swinging.

I am christian and dont like to have people offended or upset by me.

w00t !

-Rogue_Wolf

[nomar]

JESUS!!!! You people make these forums and game like a damn soap opera!!! Quit with all the damn bickering, your acting like children!

[search66]

This is sick. I may have been MIA for sometime, but since when does TAO support "selective censorship"?

The reason "other clans" are not saying anything, is probably because they don't care, or are afraid of "selective censorship" at its finest. I'm truly shocked by the arrogance, disrespect and attacking of my fellow clan members. However, even if this wasn't "clan related" (clears throat); it's complete crap.

I've stated this before, and I'll continue to stand on my soap box... Moderators should have no clan affiliations. Would anyone in their right mind want *me* to be a moderator? Hell no. Sure I'm logical, sensible, intelligent and can kick your ass... but my loyalties are far too strong to be neutral.

Let's play the game and stop playing games.

[FryLock]

I had something almost exactly like what Search said...so no use repeating it.

For the record -
I think the Jeffery banning's timing was crap, even though you argue he may have deserved it. But, in any case...

What I do find amusing here is that even amongst his angered posts, Prophet managed to acknowledge a few times that he may have overreacted or even *gasp* been wrong.

This, burning, is something I have NEVER seen you do. I respect what you do for the community, but in my opinion, you seem to take "here" much more seriously than real life. I understand, power is a wonderful narcotic. But I can't recall ONE SINGLE TIME where you've either apologized to a critic or acknowledged that you might possibly have been wrong.
*waits for someone to dig up an old post that has her saying "I'm wrong"*
Now that that's off my chest...

I have no ill will towards SI. I like bantering about with them and beating or getting beat in a game. It's good competition, and most of them are good sports. Let's try to keep this whole thing in perspective and remember that it is, in fact, a game. Someone could curse my head off in here, tell me I'm no good, all sorts of horrid things, and it wouldn't affect ME in real life one single bit. If anyone, netjak, SI, or any other clan uses TAO as a way to validate themselves...they've got problems.

[theburning]

I had something almost exactly like what Search said...so no use repeating it.

For the record -
I think the Jeffery banning's timing was crap, even though you argue he may have deserved it. But, in any case...

What I do find amusing here is that even amongst his angered posts, Prophet managed to acknowledge a few times that he may have overreacted or even *gasp* been wrong.

This, burning, is something I have NEVER seen you do. I respect what you do for the community, but in my opinion, you seem to take "here" much more seriously than real life. I understand, power is a wonderful narcotic. But I can't recall ONE SINGLE TIME where you've either apologized to a critic or acknowledged that you might possibly have been wrong.
*waits for someone to dig up an old post that has her saying "I'm wrong"*
Now that that's off my chest...

The thing you need to think over here though is the fact that some people don't argue something unless they truly believe in it. Why would I say I'm wrong for giving Jeffery a 3 day banning over swearing if I don't believe it was wrong? When exactly did The Prophet say that he thinks he may have been wrong? He didn't.

For the record, I do believe your friend Jeffery never said he was sorry either. I've been editing his posts for months now and asking him reputedly to try to keep his language to words that are in the dictionary.

You speak of 'timing', but you do realize I've given out about 30 (5 or so which are SI) other warnings for swearing? The reason those people aren't banned is because they took the warning seriously. If you want confirmation of the fact that it was pre-decided to start being 100 times stricter you can ask Duffman. Actually, let me guess? Now that he's a mod you no longer believe a word he says?

As for being in a clan, when I first joined the moderator team I asked if I should leave SI. I made it perfectly clear that I was perfectly willing to do so, and had 0 problem with it. DR said that it didn't matter. You guys need to realize that we are doing this stuff for free. Why should a paying member be forced to have no one to talk to in game etc. because they’re volunteering their time to help out the community? Having said that, I have thought many times of leaving SI entirely and actually did once. However, after asking about 30-40 other people though what they thought of me being in a clan (including Snarr who btw is in a clan) I came to the conclusion that the only people who have ever disliked my being in a clan have been members of netjak.

I realize you guys think I give SI preferred treatment, but you’re entirely wrong. A lot of the people in SI have actually even asked if I give them a harder time so that I don’t appear to be favoring them. Your accusation that I give anyone preferred treatment is nothing but pure 100% BS.

Search: You can view my belief of censoring these forums to be 'crap' all you want. The bottom line is that there are kids reading these forums and moderators are here for a reason. If you want to be able to post freely you’ll probably need to find forums with a more mature audience.

By the way, I’ve asked many people in many other clans if anything I do they view as being wrong. Their answer 99/100 times has been "Don’t listen to netjak, they take TAO wayyyy too seriously." I think that as a whole netjak is filled with a bunch of talented, nice guys. I don’t have anything against you, or any clan on TAO.

In conclusion, it’s obvious (and always has been) that we’re never going to agree on this. I no longer will continue to fight these issues with netjak members (since they’re the only clan to give me any hassle.) If you don’t approve, there is nothing I can do about it.

[old_man_killer]

It wasn't overlooked. Jeffery's banning has nothing to do with his obvious jealousy over the greatness that is SI.


Glad to see that you have no biased feelings clouding your judgement.

[theburning]

Glad to see that you have no biased feelings clouding your judgement.

That was a joke?

Holy crap this is beginning to be insanely ridiculous.
You guys have accomplished your goal and made my time here a living hell. I no longer even have fun.

[old_man_killer]

Fun? We are supposed to be having fun? Well smother me in mustard and call me a hot dog, that is a true revelation. Now I know what I've been missing from this site for a long time.

[theburning]

Fun? We are supposed to be having fun? Well smother me in mustard and call me a hot dog, that is a true revelation. Now I know what I've been missing from this site for a long time.

Well I'm no longer having fun here. I come on here to escape the BS that is life. As fun as arguing is, there comes a point where it turns into misery.

[S_K_O_F]

Sing it brother And Sister!! And the Good Rogue spoke unto the peasants of the land logic and reasoning.

And it was good.

The peasants rejoiced upon these words and learned the truth o the matter.

And it was good.

The heroin theburning slammed the evil doer, sending him from the good land forever.

And it was good.

The peasants once again rejoiced for they knew a great justice had been done.

And it was good.

And the Rescorlian was VERY pleased with this turn of events, and said unto the people, "Rum and Nacho's for everyone!!"

All was well once again, and the peasants rejoiced and were merry.

And it was good.

resorlian...you are the man

how goes things

send me a pm

[Twelve]

Fact is, even based on the Poop Slinger/Twin comparison that prophet laid out, there isn't consistency in the moderation. To see the reason given for Jeffery's banning in light of the other crap that has gone on before his sarcastic words is just not fair. If you're going to be mean about moderation, Burning, then be mean all around. No surprise that the issue of whether or not mods should be in clans is brought up again since this kind of stuff has happened before.

Whenever netjakkers brought up what they deemed as unfair before, it was 100% dismissed as clan nonsense, and honestly I couldn't make up enough of an argument to counter that claim. But this time around, there is certainly bias taking place. The proof is clear.

Burning, you KNOW I like you very much and I've gotten flamed for sticking up for you in the inner-netjak chambers. Trust me. :rolleyes: But this ain't right. Power abused will be power lost. And even if that power isn't lost, you'll end up being hated for abusing it. I really don't want to see that happen to you but it just looks like you're doing it to yourself at the moment.

The stupid idea of a moderator also being in a clan was discussed before as well...well now that boat is sunk. Even though that aspect should be cleaned up (as I believe Burning is the only mod in a "important" clan at the moment), there are actually more important things that should be dealt with first.

(I mean, how the HECK do you ban a guy like Jeffery who has done so much for TAO?)

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[theburning]

Fact is, even based on the Poop Slinger/Twin comparison that prophet laid out, there isn't consistency in the moderation. To see the reason given for Jeffery's banning in light of the other crap that has gone on before his sarcastic words is just not fair. If you're going to be mean about moderation, Burning, then be mean all around. No surprise that the issue of whether or not mods should be in clans is brought up again since this kind of stuff has happened before.

Whenever netjakkers brought up what they deemed as unfair before, it was 100% dismissed as clan nonsense, and honestly I couldn't make up enough of an argument to counter that claim. But this time around, there is certainly bias taking place. The proof is clear.

Burning, you KNOW I like you very much and I've gotten flamed for sticking up for you in the inner-netjak chambers. Trust me. :rolleyes: But this ain't right. Power abused will be power lost. And even if that power isn't lost, you'll end up being hated for abusing it. I really don't want to see that happen to you but it just looks like you're doing it to yourself at the moment.

The stupid idea of a moderator also being in a clan was discussed before as well...well now that boat is sunk. Even though that aspect should be cleaned up (as I believe Burning is the only mod in a "important" clan at the moment), there are actually more important things that should be dealt with first.

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Duffman and I have tried to get together to get some sort of rules on moderation. All of which has been in place for about a week or two. The forums were going down quickly, so things needed to be changed.

Jeffery was given many warnings. Slinger was given his warning and knows his next slip is a ban.

You guys can view what I'm doing as abusing of power all you'd like. At this point, I don't even care. Basically each and every member of netjak hates me, I've accepted that at this point.

This will be my last post here.

[The Prophet]

Wasn't Jeffery banned for being "negative"? :rolleyes:

[S_K_O_F]

Fact is, even based on the Poop Slinger/Twin comparison that prophet laid out, there isn't consistency in the moderation. To see the reason given for Jeffery's banning in light of the other crap that has gone on before his sarcastic words is just not fair. If you're going to be mean about moderation, Burning, then be mean all around. No surprise that the issue of whether or not mods should be in clans is brought up again since this kind of stuff has happened before.

Whenever netjakkers brought up what they deemed as unfair before, it was 100% dismissed as clan nonsense, and honestly I couldn't make up enough of an argument to counter that claim. But this time around, there is certainly bias taking place. The proof is clear.

Burning, you KNOW I like you very much and I've gotten flamed for sticking up for you in the inner-netjak chambers. Trust me. :rolleyes: But this ain't right. Power abused will be power lost. And even if that power isn't lost, you'll end up being hated for abusing it. I really don't want to see that happen to you but it just looks like you're doing it to yourself at the moment.

The stupid idea of a moderator also being in a clan was discussed before as well...well now that boat is sunk. Even though that aspect should be cleaned up (as I believe Burning is the only mod in a "important" clan at the moment), there are actually more important things that should be dealt with first.

(I mean, how the HECK do you ban a guy like Jeffery who has done so much for TAO?)

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Guys...never before has one member of this forum gone to lengths of trash talking and bad mouthing the game administrators and forum moderators. Jeffery was way out of line with the way he went about expressing his distaste for the way things are running around here.
Twelve, i hope you have read some of those posts that got jeffery banned.
I know you guys think this is about netjak and si...it isn't...this is about Jeffery going to an extreme and belittling everyone and everything that makes this game. while at one point meletus went too far, he shaped up and that is why he was allowed back

Yes I know that Jeffery has done a lot for the game...yes i know what a prominent member he is
and you asking the burning how she could ban despite all he has done is hypocritical to the whole argument

Jeffery was given more leeway than most of us would have been...and you guys are asking for more?

you say the burning has been biased in here modding? I say you are right...but not against netjak...she is biased against those who believe they are above the rules because of their actions on this site...

you netjak guys need to realise that not everything that happen to your members has to do with your entire clan...i know you guys like to have your gang mentality of all for one and one for all

but jeffery's insults and vulgarness against this game and its leaders had nothing to do with netjak and everything to do with 'his' own bias

[Twelve]

You guys can view what I'm doing as abusing of power all you'd like. At this point, I don't even care. Basically each and every member of netjak hates me, I've accepted that at this point.


Sorry, but I don't have the time/energy to maintain a hatred for ANYONE longer than 10 seconds, so that kind of drama won't get too far with me.

I've also proven in the past, in your presence, and through other mediums that I'm a netjak who is very fair when it comes to these kinds of things. I've ignored the little rumors of things that people have reportedly said about this or that to maintain this fairness, and only make a judgement based on what is clearly seen.

And what I wrote a post before yours was and is my conclusion.

However, if you truly made the right decision here, and a major one at that, then you should be able to review all of the items that led up to this choice without anger or frustration. If you KNOW it to be fair and right, then shove whatever anybody says. You should be able to bear the weight of our criticism simply based on what you know to be true.

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[The Prophet]

...while at one point meletus went too far, he shaped up and that is why he was allowed back...

He is far from being shaped up. Not only does cuss and continue to bad mouth but no one can not get more negative than him. Thats the point.

[Twelve]

you netjak guys need to realise that not everything that happen to your members has to do with your entire clan...i know you guys like to have your gang mentality of all for one and one for all



And I also know that you don't like us one bit. :)

On top of that, when stuff like this happens over and over and over again, there does come a time when even I get tired of it.

Your post sounded really nice and it's cool that you're trying to come to a predictable rescue, but I don't argue against Jeffery's worth--negative or positive. I simply argue about the bias and unfairness that just seems to be coming up too much...that just seems to pop up over and over within this particular clan...and is actually now no longer in the "seem" stage.

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[S_K_O_F]

He is far from being shaped up. Not only does cuss and continue to bad mouth but no one can not get more negative than him. Thats the point.
but the difference is, who is meletus attacking?
jeffery attacked the leaders of the website...not in a helpful way, not in a constructive way...but he deliberately belittled the entire crew that keeps this place running and continues every chance that he gets to post

but prophet...if that is your only argument, you are lacking

did you even read jeffery's posts man? can you honestly say that if you were in the burnings place, that you would have let him stick around?

[The Prophet]

SKOF I did not read all of his posts. I do know that the Twin account was banned for being "negative". The negative comment did happen to be towards her and HER CLAN for. Meletus has donre nothing but flamed me the past 2 days. He cannot come on and make a sensible post when he is trying to defend his clan mate/moderator.

About the difference of who is attacking, now that is BS. If we are going to get stricter on the forums then it shouldn't matter who is attacking who.

[S_K_O_F]

And I also know that you don't like us one bit. :)

On top of that, when stuff like this happens over and over and over again, there does come a time when even I get tired of it.

Your post sounded really nice and it's cool that you're trying to come to a predictable rescue, but I don't argue against Jeffery's worth--negative or positive. I simply argue about the bias and unfairness that just seems to be coming up too much...that just seems to pop up over and over within this particular clan...and is actually now no longer in the "seem" stage.

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while i have had my little spats with netjak in the past twelve...i never had a problem with the clan

only a few certain members
i have never once had a problem with you or any of your other clanmates who are replying to this thread

but stop bringing the clan in to this...this is not about netjak or si

this is about theburning doing her job...and she banned jeffery because he deserved it and then proceeded to get worse and not better

Jeffery deserved what he got...not because of his past, present, or future on this site...not because of who he is on this site...not because of his affiliations on this site...
He deserved it because he expressed his views towards the site leaders in the wrong way...and he spread his vulgar filth in every post...not one or two f-bombs or shits...posts full of them

he shows no remorse for the way he portrayed himself and now has proceeded in getting everyone in netjak to hate theburning for doing her job

jeffery isnt acting like he is 32 years old...he is acting like he is 10
and now he is being treated like he is 10

[Twelve]

but the difference is, who is meletus attacking?
jeffery attacked the leaders of the website...not in a helpful way, not in a constructive way...but he deliberately belittled the entire crew that keeps this place running and continues every chance that he gets to post

but prophet...if that is your only argument, you are lacking

did you even read jeffery's posts man? can you honestly say that if you were in the burnings place, that you would have let him stick around?

Skof, it's really hard for me to take your arguments seriously since I know where your own biases lay.

In the end though, what's done is done, and the consequences for that will come as they will.

My final position on this matter is simply to say that I will trust that Burning made a fair call according to her own understanding of the situation. How I feel about the choice may be something else, but once again I simply have to accept the "rule" of authority.

'Nuff sed.

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[Poop Slinger]

He is far from being shaped up. Not only does cuss and continue to bad mouth but no one can not get more negative than him. Thats the point.

I'm not being negative.. Just turning you own stupidity right back at ya. :rolleyes: If it is really getting you bent out shape quit picking on my mates and quit telling me to screw off, Yes I've been gunning for you, because you won't stop on your pursuit to troll. This game/forum isn't about you and me or netjak and si. This is beyond silly. I'll leave you alone from here on out... but just knock off the bs, it sucks when you personally attacked don't it?

Not to disrepect Jeffery, because I never would, true he has done so much for TAO.. and I'm sure I'll get his side of the story after I post this... um.. somewhere else.. ;)... Plain and simple here.. Cussing at players or mods is bannable.. I was banned for it before and so have many others before me and Jeffery.

Regardless of what you do here you can be banned for it. Going againest, or repeated flaming, swearing at mods/admin will get you banned. There is no reason to tolerate this. As admins/mods they don't have tolerate anything.
If he was warned he was warned bottomline. I too have been warned and plan to keep it clean.

It is always common place the second a person is banned for the community to go.. wtf? and ask why he is gone or try their best to get the member unbanned. I have seen it happen several times. No one likes losing anyone they know from the forums. But when you acted out you get punished. Hopefully you learn from it.

[S_K_O_F]

Skof, it's really hard for me to take your arguments seriously since I know where your own biases lay.

In the end though, what's done is done, and the consequences for that will come as they will.

My final position on this matter is simply to say that I will trust that Burning made a fair call according to her own understanding of the situation. How I feel about the choice may be something else, but once again I simply have to accept the "rule" of authority.

'Nuff sed.

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twelve...I hope that there comes a point that I will be able to show you that I do not hate netjak.
I disliked lord ducki and that is all

if you know so well where my biases lie, though...please inform me

i was under the impression that the only people left around here that i disliked were the n00bs that spam the forums up

apparently, though...not even i know who i like and dislike?

but even if i did hate netjak...i have never once been given good reason to like si

but im done with this...obviously making an attempt at voicing some reason was doomed from the start

[The Prophet]

I'm not being negative.. Just turning you own stupidity right back at ya. :rolleyes: If it is really getting you bent out shape quit picking on my mates and quit telling me to screw off, Yes I've been gunning for you, because you won't stop on your pursuit to troll. This game/forum isn't about you and me or netjak and si. This is beyond silly. I'll leave you alone from here on out... but just knock off the bs, it sucks when you personally attacked don't it?

Here you go with your little shots and you expect anyone to take what you say serious. If anyone is trolling it is you. You come in here with your little jabs and insults the run away.

So you blame for your stupidity? Thats fair I will take the blame.

You don't have to stop please continue, we get more proof with every one of your posts.

[search66]

First off... Insubordination rules. Secondly, where did the SKOF hate come from? He and I have always had a good time chatting and in games (those rare few occasions).

Lastly, in regards to the actual problem... I believe that vulgarity is NOT appropriate in public forums. If moderators warn a user and it their advice is not heeded they should be disciplined. However, if I would have known that there were issues like this; I could have addressed this with Jeffery and the other leaders. I don't expect to be notified, but I want you (burn) to know that we are on the same page.

[FryLock]

The thing you need to think over here though is the fact that some people don't argue something unless they truly believe in it. Why would I say I'm wrong for giving Jeffery a 3 day banning over swearing if I don't believe it was wrong? When exactly did The Prophet say that he thinks he may have been wrong? He didn't.

For the record, I do believe your friend Jeffery never said he was sorry either. I've been editing his posts for months now and asking him reputedly to try to keep his language to words that are in the dictionary.

You speak of 'timing', but you do realize I've given out about 30 (5 or so which are SI) other warnings for swearing? The reason those people aren't banned is because they took the warning seriously. If you want confirmation of the fact that it was pre-decided to start being 100 times stricter you can ask Duffman. Actually, let me guess? Now that he's a mod you no longer believe a word he says?

As for being in a clan, when I first joined the moderator team I asked if I should leave SI. I made it perfectly clear that I was perfectly willing to do so, and had 0 problem with it. DR said that it didn't matter. You guys need to realize that we are doing this stuff for free. Why should a paying member be forced to have no one to talk to in game etc. because they’re volunteering their time to help out the community? Having said that, I have thought many times of leaving SI entirely and actually did once. However, after asking about 30-40 other people though what they thought of me being in a clan (including Snarr who btw is in a clan) I came to the conclusion that the only people who have ever disliked my being in a clan have been members of netjak.

I realize you guys think I give SI preferred treatment, but you’re entirely wrong. A lot of the people in SI have actually even asked if I give them a harder time so that I don’t appear to be favoring them. Your accusation that I give anyone preferred treatment is nothing but pure 100% BS.

Search: You can view my belief of censoring these forums to be 'crap' all you want. The bottom line is that there are kids reading these forums and moderators are here for a reason. If you want to be able to post freely you’ll probably need to find forums with a more mature audience.

By the way, I’ve asked many people in many other clans if anything I do they view as being wrong. Their answer 99/100 times has been "Don’t listen to netjak, they take TAO wayyyy too seriously." I think that as a whole netjak is filled with a bunch of talented, nice guys. I don’t have anything against you, or any clan on TAO.

In conclusion, it’s obvious (and always has been) that we’re never going to agree on this. I no longer will continue to fight these issues with netjak members (since they’re the only clan to give me any hassle.) If you don’t approve, there is nothing I can do about it.

LOL!!

Not once in the previous post of mine that you quote (I can't get it to fit in here, too) do I speak of netjak or SI. In fact, the only time I speak of the clans is afterwards, when I say I respect SI. And also, in my post, I didn't ask you to admit you were wrong about Jeffery...I just noted that you never admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. But you rush right in to defend your actions...guilty conscience, anyone?

Look - it's obvious you like the adoration that most of TAO gives you. Who wouldn't? It's human nature. But what you do in TAO means nothing, not one bit of what you do or who you are in real life. Getting upset because "netjak hates me" is just silly. Netjak doesn't hate you. Some of our MEMBERS don't agree with the way you handle situations, and we express this in different ways. Some members do agree with you. If you can't see that...

Again, I respect what you've done for the community. Always have, always will. Even if I don't like the way you do it, you do get the job done. But you choose to ignore that bit of respect.

You say netjak is stuck in their ways, you are equally stuck in yours. I'll admit it when I'm wrong. And not rush to defend every questionable action. It's part of being human. But hmm, I guess the mods aren't exactly human here. I forgot. They're gods.

[nomar]

This is better then a episode of Jerry Springer (even when it was cool to watch Jerry)!!!

[BannedJeffery]

I first apologize for posting this after I agreed to stay out. Please do not erase this post, and feel free to delete or ban this account. Thgis is a one time post that NEEDS to be made.

Theburning warned me about my language. I wouldn't say "for months", as it was not a constant, just about a monthly occurance of sporadic outburst. Arguing about that on both sides as silly, as it is the Mods job to enforce rules as they see fit. This is probably harder than it seems due to lack of leadership.

This is not and should not be an SI vs netjak event. I disagreed with how A LOT of clans recruit members. This is, was, and will be a PERSONAL view I stated, and is not endorsed by any member of netjak as a clan policy. theburning took that as a personal attack. It wasn't. It is something I stated before i ever even knew of netjak and SI.

The fighting for and against me is to cease IMMEDIDIATLEY. I was banned and deserved it. i broke many rules, and violated the ideals put forth. Expecting every decision to be fair and balanced is rediculous, as we are people, not robots. I still do not apologize for stating my views. Using the language originally was wrong, but that is not something that can be undone.

Comparing me to meletus is also rediculous. Trust me, i went much farther than he even thought of.


I again ask this post NOT be deleted. This is an attempt to help close a rift I helped rip open. It should be my last forray into this fight.


Jeffery

[theburning]

I decided this should be seperated from Thargors thread.

[nomar]

That's a good thing ;)

[Bottle]

But tomorrow, when people come on and look in the rankings thread for this discussion, they'll carry on the argument there, not realising the place to do it is here (or even better, nowhere). Jeff's post needed to be replicated in both threads.

[Twelve]

Fair enough, Jeff, fair enough.

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[S_K_O_F]

I first apologize for posting this after I agreed to stay out. Please do not erase this post, and feel free to delete or ban this account. Thgis is a one time post that NEEDS to be made.

Theburning warned me about my language. I wouldn't say "for months", as it was not a constant, just about a monthly occurance of sporadic outburst. Arguing about that on both sides as silly, as it is the Mods job to enforce rules as they see fit. This is probably harder than it seems due to lack of leadership.

This is not and should not be an SI vs netjak event. I disagreed with how A LOT of clans recruit members. This is, was, and will be a PERSONAL view I stated, and is not endorsed by any member of netjak as a clan policy. theburning took that as a personal attack. It wasn't. It is something I stated before i ever even knew of netjak and SI.

The fighting for and against me is to cease IMMEDIDIATLEY. I was banned and deserved it. i broke many rules, and violated the ideals put forth. Expecting every decision to be fair and balanced is rediculous, as we are people, not robots. I still do not apologize for stating my views. Using the language originally was wrong, but that is not something that can be undone.

Comparing me to meletus is also rediculous. Trust me, i went much farther than he even thought of.


I again ask this post NOT be deleted. This is an attempt to help close a rift I helped rip open. It should be my last forray into this fight.


Jeffery


finally...some closure

and face is saved ...along with some dignity and respect

[Hugh Junit]

I'm gonna have a drink. I suggest everyone do the same.

[S_K_O_F]

I'm gonna have a drink. I suggest everyone do the same.

mmmmm

beeeeer

^i think i have found an "arbitrary" meaning of life...drunken thought

perhaps someone should tell xyx

[bludhoundz]

We should make this a happy thread to show that we aren't arguing machines :)

[nomar]

I'm gonna have a drink. I suggest everyone do the same.

I got a shot of Jack coming your way.

*cheers mate*

[Amaroth]

"RUM FOR EVERYONE!!!"

Come over. I found some thirty year old moonshine behind my fridge :cool:

[Cuathon]

drinks some whiskey.

[Glamdring]

You know, I thought about bringing this thread back today, then decided "why bother? I have nothing important to say."

Good thing other people don't have such inhibitions.

[bludhoundz]

THAT, was funny Glam.