Eminem, the critically acclaimed best rapper in the world, is this true?

[Krome]

Eminem, the critically acclaimed best rapper in the world, is this true?

So what do you lot think about this guy, he raps about his family his friends and bad things that has happened in his life.

Who has a grudge against him or who loves him.

[Duffman]

Stanley Kirk Burrell is the best rapper ever :). Do you know he is a minister now?

[Krome]

Stanley Kirk Burrell is the best rapper ever :). Do you know he is a minister now?

Lmao :) .

I think Eminems new song Like Toy Soldiers is really good and it is also dedicated to tupac and his death.

Have this for weirdness, my name is Matt Marshall and his name is Marshall Mathers. That ain't half close, lol.

R.I.P Tupac

Long Live Marshall

[SlipknotiCX]

No way is he the best rapper. I'll give him respect in the fact he can put together words that I couldn't dream could work together....but he's not the best.

2pac
Jay-Z
KRS-ONE
Canibus
Q-Strange
The Big Notorious
Kurupt
Memphis Bleek

Are all in front of him. Maybe in upcoming years he'll get in the top 3. But he's nowhere close just yet.

[Krome]

2pac dead, but yea he was the best ever. But I am sorta talking about white rappers too, he is definetely worlds best white rapper, and a real good one. But I don't think he is the best yet.

[SlipknotiCX]

2pac dead

You know, I used to believe that myself. I would sit down and make fun of the kids who are still on his nuts. "He's dead, get over it". But when I herd a snippet from his new album on TV...it sparked my curiousity on the subject. On the aired tv commercial...it says:

"2005.......Guess who's back?"

And it was definitely 2pac. Boggles my mind :confused:

But yeah, he's the only white rapper LoL. Vanilla don't count. He was a media whore and a sellout.

[KBHoleN1]

You have to understand that Eminem raps about different things than most people. Ever just listen to his lyrics, like the lyrics from Toy Soldiers? Powerful stuff. Not the best rapper ever, but certainly the most versatile. He can move you, make you laugh, make you cry, make you dance, make you hype. Encore rocks.

[SlipknotiCX]

You have to understand that Eminem raps about different things than most people. Ever just listen to his lyrics, like the lyrics from Toy Soldiers? Powerful stuff. Not the best rapper ever, but certainly the most versatile. He can move you, make you laugh, make you cry, make you dance, make you hype. Encore rocks.

I'll agree with you, somewhat. The thing with E is that yes, he's "flexible" ...but he also rapped on the same subject he was rapping about since day 1. Krs-One is one of the 5 buroughs BEST. He's a party rapper. But he's solid. Canibus is just, if not better than E at expressing himself through words the best. Another rapper I forgot to mention in my list is Nas. Nas ownz E in every way. I'm not trying to sit here and tell you that E isn't great...cuz he most definitely is. But, you can't deny history and facts when it comes to the "game".

[Krome]

You have to understand that Eminem raps about different things than most people. Ever just listen to his lyrics, like the lyrics from Toy Soldiers? Powerful stuff. Not the best rapper ever, but certainly the most versatile. He can move you, make you laugh, make you cry, make you dance, make you hype. Encore rocks.

Very true.

I love Like Toy Soldiers so much I have listened to it constantly for 1 hour already and I am listening to it as I post this now, and its definetely about 2pacs death and he was there when he died. I do have to believe 2pac is dead, no matter what people may say.

Eminem rules !!

[nads]

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just tried to negative rep krome for being stupid, but I posi repped him................

I'd call for back up, but I'm afraid backup would come and that dot would turn double red :)

[ck1]

OMG!!!!111 EmiNem r0x0rz!!!!!11111


:)

[Terps rock]

i think dmx was great but never ever mentioned

[supershadow]

Eminem is a decent rapper. I only say that because i hate most rap. The only rap i'll ever listen to is his or ICP.

[Swartzstrom]

The best rapper alive is Jay-Z. Period.

[Scroll Lock]

Can i have your attention please(lol, sorry), RAP SUCKS.

[Swartzstrom]

That's your opinion. Bye.

[Scroll Lock]

and this whole thread is about opinions, now isnt it, dumbass

[MokoToko]

WTF?? you guys are missing out on the best white rapper to ever exist.....

Snow!!. havent yall heard informer??!?!

geez

[Wolfman]

Guys, i love rap....

especially when they rap that line hard:

RAPPERS GO TO HELL...

jk... no offense...

but that how i feel about rap... i think i am a bit old for that.

wolfy

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

Rap is ok and I think Enimen is ok, just because I don't like rap that much. I like some of his songs but I don't think he should be locked up or anything like that.

[The Cheat]

Jay-Z and my boy KANYE WEST are so much better that Slim Shady.

[KBHoleN1]

Can i have your attention please(lol, sorry), RAP SUCKS.

and this whole thread is about opinions, now isnt it, dumbass.

"Rap sucks" is not an opinion - it is a flame against a music genre. You may have the opinion that you do not like rap, but that gives you no right to judge the music. There are millions and millions of people who enjoy rap music, and millions and millions of people that don't. This thread seems to be comenting on a specific rapper, for those of us who appreciate rap, so only those interested should comment. If you don't like rap, then don't post here, it's as simple as that. I don't like country, but that doesn't mean 100 million people are wrong, that means our opinions of music differ.

That's your opinion. Bye.

On the subject - yes I love Kanye West and Jay-Z. I really can't seperate the different rappers, because I couldn't do without any of them:
Eminem
Nas
Jay-Z
Kanye West
2Pac
Biggie

Each with their own different style, they're all amazing.

[Scroll Lock]

Your a total moron, "Rap Sucks" is as much of an opinion as "Rap is good" is an opinion. I hate most all rap, i have only found a few songs mentally managable while listening to rap. If you said, "Punk Rock Sucks" it would be your opinion, and i would have nothing to say about it. Get over yourself.


Opinion - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).

Therefore it was an opinion.

[actgfin1234]

Cavour is the best rapper of all time. Hands down.

[Scroll Lock]

Cavour, lets see you freestyle!

[supershadow]

Can i have your attention please(lol, sorry), RAP SUCKS.
Agreed. Rap does suck...my opinoin

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

Jay-Z is one of my favorites and also I like Ludacris. But one of the most recent good songs is *Drop it like its hot* by Snoop Dogg and some other guy who I forgot his name.

[actgfin1234]

Pharell?

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

It could be him but I don't know names that much but that song was good.

[Krome]

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just tried to negative rep krome for being stupid, but I posi repped him................

I'd call for back up, but I'm afraid backup would come and that dot would turn double red :)

You suck, just because i like eminem you think you can trash me? Your just a pathetic asshole with nothing better to do than annoy and try and flame people.

This rep thing sucks, it should be deleted because it was bad enough on the forums before this rep device, now its even worse.

[Scroll Lock]

i neg rep'd krome for no reason, lol

[supershadow]

You suck, just because i like eminem you think you can trash me? Your just a pathetic asshole with nothing better to do than annoy and try and flame people.

This rep thing sucks, it should be deleted because it was bad enough on the forums before this rep device, now its even worse.

wow...someones a little more then irritated i see... ;)

[SlipknotiCX]

Your a total moron, "Rap Sucks" is as much of an opinion as "Rap is good" is an opinion. I hate most all rap, i have only found a few songs mentally managable while listening to rap. If you said, "Punk Rock Sucks" it would be your opinion, and i would have nothing to say about it. Get over yourself.


Opinion - A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).

Therefore it was an opinion.

Actually, it was more of an attempt to flame and get on peoples nerves, than anything else.

Back on topic:

Lost Boyz - Renee. I forgot all about that song for the longest time. Found it again hiding in some folders ^_^.

[Duffman]

2pac dead, but yea he was the best ever. But I am sorta talking about white rappers too, he is definetely worlds best white rapper, and a real good one. But I don't think he is the best yet.
Stanley Kirk Burrell is white. Does noone know who i'm talking about? *sigh*... MC Hammer. Sheesh!

[Terps rock]

DMX- party up

great song

[Scroll Lock]

however it was still an opinion!

[bludhoundz]

I vote we lock up Eric and throw the key away. Not Em.

[Scroll Lock]

was that an option!?

[Serge]

however it was still an opinion!
Maybe, but not a very well presented one. Generally I don't like rap, but every once in a while I'll hear a rap song that doesn't make me look for a volume lower than mute on my speakers. (Gotta love Family Guy!) So, fI don't generalize and say all rap sucks, I just say, I dislike most rap.

As for Eminem, some of his stuff is good, but he's by no means the best rapper. It's all about Sir-Mix-a-Lot!

[Walrus]

You know, I used to believe that myself. I would sit down and make fun of the kids who are still on his nuts. "He's dead, get over it". But when I herd a snippet from his new album on TV...it sparked my curiousity on the subject. On the aired tv commercial...it says:

"2005.......Guess who's back?"

And it was definitely 2pac. Boggles my mind :confused:

But yeah, he's the only white rapper LoL. Vanilla don't count. He was a media whore and a sellout.


i direct you to page 62 of "The Gospel Accordin' to Ali G"

Tupac

Da Facts :
After leaving he tyson fight on september 7, 1996, Tupac was hallegedly shot 5 times.
He woz pronounced dead on friday september 13, 1996.

Da suspicious facts dat prove dat he aint dead at all - not even slightly...

1. Friday the 13th is a extremely suspicious day.
2. My man Tupac oficially died at 4.03 pm.
4 + 3 = 7!!! A coincidense? cumofit.
Also, he "died" at an age of 25 yearz. 2 + 5 = 7!!!!
3. 7 x 2 = 14. Den take dat number and minus 1. Wot do u get? 13.
Recognize dat number? yes hobviously u do.
Ye know remember de fing about friday de 13th.
4. Tupac's album 'All eyes on me' woz released feb 13th 1996.
Tupac 'died' on sept 13 1996. It iz quite a coinsidence dat de two dates iz HEXACTLY 7 months apart.
5. As if dis wosn't enuf proof me mate Jezzy F saw him in Dixon's in Bracknell 3 months ago.
Coincidense i dont fink so. He woz buyin some batteries. How much did dey cost?
Yeah dats right, £6.99. Guess wot he told dem 'to keep the penny blood'
Making 7 squid hexactly. fank you.
6. If u rearrange de lettaz of his album title 'Makaveli The Don Killumanati - The 7 day theory' u can make de sentense 'OK on tha 7th u think im dead yet im really alive.' Dont beleeve me, try it yaself.
7. Wot bout dis - if u rearange de lettaz of 'tupac shakur' u get 'u trap cak sh' (dere is a spare u, which refers to de CIA hobviously)
He is askin s to be quiet ('sh) about de 'trappin of cak' which basicaly meanz dat he couldnt 'ave been shot, coz overwise why would be still be tellin us dat.




that took a while to type so ill be brief now

i like eminem and d12, i used to love them, now i just like them.


there is just one more thing i feel i must do


Your a total moron, "Rap Sucks" is as much of an opinion as "Rap is good" is an opinion.



its You're a total moron, not 'Your'.

[Scroll Lock]

we've gone over this, spelling doesnt count on a forum where half the members cant drive yet

[Walrus]

i dont care. if you're gonna insult someone, you gotta do it without being dumb yo'self.

if you had dumped the apostraphe and left it at 'youre' i wouldnt mind, since im no fan of apostraphes myself, but a letter is a different matter.

[Machin Shin]

rap sucks

[Scroll Lock]

i wasnt insulting anybody, i simply said rap sucks, my opinion, stop trying to be an ass

[Angelic-Hotfox]

I can drive!!! :)
I like Eminem sometimez. Hez a good daddy to his daughter too!!
He's pretty hot :p I ThInK I wIlL TaLk LiKe ThIs FrOm NoW oN!!

[lostandconfused]

I won't say rap sucks.
I'll just say that I highly dislike it. :)

[actgfin1234]

Losty, you've been known to throw down a rhyme or two ain't you?

[lostandconfused]

Losty, you've been known to throw down a rhyme or two ain't you?
Long since retired. :)

[Wayfaerer]

Notorious N.U.B.

[KBHoleN1]

I can't believe I forgot about Snoop Dogg (and Pharrell). Snoop is unique in my opinion because he sings while he raps. His words have more of a flow to them than almost any other rapper, and yet his rhymes are just as good.

Scroll Lock, perhaps you should pull your head out of your ass and take a look around. "I hate rap" is an opinion. "Rap sucks" is an unfounded statement that speaks for all people about rap. Comment about rather you like something or not, not whether it has value or not, that is not something that can be decided by one person, mush less a moron like you.

EDIT: By the way Scroll Lock, thanks for the negative rep, not brave enough to put your name behind your statements? You obviously disagree with me having an opinion. I obviously thought about my post, since I have an argument behind my post, not just a flame on a thread you shouldn't be on anyway. I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion? Are you pissed because I made you feel like an idiot?

[Scroll Lock]

I wont bother reading all that, me saying "rap sucks" is OVSIOUSLY my opinion, it has no factual value

[KBHoleN1]

I wont bother reading all that

shows so much integrity, not listening to others speak, just saying whatever you want, and yet I still won't neg rep you for your lack of opinion

[Scroll Lock]

EDIT: By the way Scroll Lock, thanks for the negative rep, not brave enough to put your name behind your statements? You obviously disagree with me having an opinion. I obviously thought about my post, since I have an argument behind my post, not just a flame on a thread you shouldn't be on anyway. I thought everyone was entitled to an opinion? Are you pissed because I made you feel like an idiot?

"You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later."

Its been that way for all of 6 hours. Thanx for making shit up.

[SlipknotiCX]

we've gone over this, spelling doesnt count on a forum where half the members cant drive yet

Now THAT...deserves some +rep ^_^.

And wally...I read that before. It intrigued (spelling?) me for a bit, then it kinda lost it's flare. It's that damned commercial that "Wigs me out".

EDIT: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Scroll Lock again.

I've never given Scroll Lock rep before. That I remember anyway ^_^.

Bastard rep system =\

[Scroll Lock]

well, thanx, lol

[Kyo]

The Big Notorious
If you mean B.I.G, he's also dead.

[KBHoleN1]

Thanx for making shit up.

Did I say you put your name on it, I actually said you didn't. I was taking an educated guess, since you seem to be the one pissed at me on this thread. I now have 2 neg reps on this post, I'm glad everyone hates me having an opinion. I just disagree with him flaming a music genre. Just leave it alone, saying rap sucks adds nothing productive to this thread. If you don't like rap, don't comment on the thread. It's not about what kind of music you like, it's about whether the people who listen to rap like Em or not. Simple as that. Sorry I pissed you off, but perhaps you should think before you post, as someone so kindly told me for my neg rep. Once again, at least put your name on your rep points, I'm not a vengeful little bastard who will return the favor. You are entitled to your opinion, don't be ashamed of it.

[Scroll Lock]

i stopped reading at flaming a music genre

its not flaming, its my opinion, asshole, im flaming you

" By the way Scroll Lock, thanks for the negative rep, not brave enough to put your name behind your statements?"

Your a little bitch that jumpes to conclusions, so dont even bother talking.

[SlipknotiCX]

If you mean B.I.G, he's also dead.

Yeah, but he's still on the list ^_^.

[actgfin1234]

I bet slipknoticx could throw down a wicked freestyle yo

[Rabi en Rose]

i wasnt insulting anybody, i simply said rap sucks, my opinion, stop trying to be an ass
You came into a thread about rap, for people interested in discussing rap, entitled "Eminem, the critically acclaimed best rapper in the world, is this true?" to tell everyone your opinion that rap sucks? Then when posters have a problem with this, you start insulting them?

Sounds like flames to me.

[Northwind]

Rabi,

If you want Scroll to understand it, you'll have to put it in language he can understand.
You cam into a thread bout rap, for people internested in talking rap, like "Eminem, the critically acclammed best rapper in the world, this true is?" to tell every1 ur thinky rap sucks? Then when dudes are all like "yo, I got probs with that stuff" you start insulating them?

Sounds like flamages to me.

[Wayfaerer]

No-ones mentioned Will Smith yet! :confused:

[Krome]

Thats coz he sucks at rapping if you wanna put it in a musical way, but he is a great actor and on of my favorites, he is just so damn funny.

[SlipknotiCX]

I bet slipknoticx could throw down a wicked freestyle yo

Word. I can kick it with da' homies, nah mean? I jus be layin low cuz da beef be hektic

[Scroll Lock]

You came into a thread about rap, for people interested in discussing rap, entitled "Eminem, the critically acclaimed best rapper in the world, is this true?" to tell everyone your opinion that rap sucks? Then when posters have a problem with this, you start insulting them?

Sounds like flames to me.


The thread was about opinions on a certain artist, i happened to not like the genre he performes in, so i said it about the whole genre instead of just him, it makes perfect sence, so don't bother arguing it more, its not a flame.

[actgfin1234]

Word. I can kick it with da' homies, nah mean? I jus be layin low cuz da beef be hektic

Word, you gon haf ta hit up da cell u lar and kick dem rhymes!

[Walrus]

i wasnt insulting anybody, i simply said rap sucks, my opinion, stop trying to be an ass


actually you were calling whoever it was a moron. shhh.

[Scroll Lock]

that was after he started shit with me, saying rap sucks should insult anybody but the rap artists

shh

[Walrus]

but the incident i was referring to was you saying that whoever it was, was a moron. that was an insult, so your references about not insulting him was incorrect. gg.

[Scroll Lock]

however, i was referencing the "rap sucks" as not insulting anybody, so don't bother talking cause you don't know what your saying


hence "wasnt", therefore i am now

[Walrus]

so, despite the fact that i quoted you saying "Your a moron, etc" you thought i was referring to something else?

as i said, gg.


might i add, its "you dont know what you're saying."

[Scroll Lock]

u didnt quote shit, ur making stuff up that can be disproved by scrolling up, stfu

[bludhoundz]

If you don't like rap, and you want to share your opinion of it with everyone, don't post.

[Scroll Lock]

and how would i be sharing my opinion?

[MokoToko]

obviously we would be reading your mind, GEEZ, doesnt anyone understand the simple laws of mind reading anymore

[Scroll Lock]

sry, must have slipped my 'mind'

[lildj05]

word hombre's....why is krome banned? umm ems good, not the best tho. and i disagree about krs being better than eminem. in my opinion, thats just bullshit. u cant base ur opinion off of 1 song. if krs made 1 bomb ass song that was better than all of ems shit, but the rest of his stuff sucked, and em made all above average shit, em is obviously the better rapper.

[Blind Panda]

hmm

[lildj05]

whoa do i ever agree with the bottom part of blind pandas siggy (bush-adolf)

nice lil statement...

[Blind Panda]

lol, im editing it, im not allowed to sware in my banner, be like 30 min

[Wayfaerer]

Shaq was the king of the mic :rolleyes:

[lildj05]

aww hell the banner reeks "bland now" and r0fl wayf. yes shaq deisel pwns.

[Krome]

aww hell the banner reeks "bland now" and r0fl wayf. yes shaq deisel pwns.

Wdf? Is he banned or not? I don't think he is but I can't actually tell, lol.

[ck1]

I like rock music WAY more. Zepp > M&M.

I also am starting to like Christian Rock.

[Enjoi]

Can i have your attention please(lol, sorry), RAP SUCKS.


totally agreed


I brought up this year old thread cause i agree

[Forest_Archer]

I disagree. I love to hear the new joints on BET.

Like "Gimme That" by Chris Brown and Lil' Wayne.

[ChainHeart]

*_* why was krome banned again?

btw the song name is "gimme that"

[Forest_Archer]

I don't think they say "that" once in the Gimme That song, so I thought it was just "Gimme." :p

[Kreator]

I like some rap. Eminem's newer music just plain sucks, his older stuff was great though.

[The Cheat]

Why was this thread bumped? :confused: :rolleyes:

[!Diamond!]

I pity the fool who votes "Needs to be locked up and the key thrown away" but I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion;).I like eminem, I think he has improved and grown up, if you like, over the last few years. I admire how he has changed his ways of music, his lyrics nowadays aren't as dark and twisted. Take a look at his song Kim, then look at Mockingbird.

Eminem is/was an amazing rapper in my eyes I can understand why people gave him stick before about his songs and lyrics, but now his songs are top quality and still with great lyrics. Top man.:cool:

Thread bumped or not bumped, I still love the guy. ;)

[some1udontknow]

Well, he is very good, and has much skill. As said before, his lyrics have changed from a dark person, to a much more mature stage. Though i am not one for rap music too often, his songs are good to hear. He is good, and deserves that title. Untill another rapper comes along.

[Hughes]

Hes the best. He doesn't rap about money, whores, cops like
most raps these days.

Mosh-
My favourite.

[Realist]

Eminem has some very good stuff.

[bobdagangsta]

I don't really like Eminem.

[T3km4n]

He's okay. But nowhere near the best. By far. Not the best. Not close. Sorry.

[boogieman]

Eminem has some very good stuff.
I agree. Some of his songs like "Ass like that" and "Just Lose It" are fun and upbeat, while others like "Mockingbird", "When I'm Gone", and "Like Toy Soldiers" bring about a sense of despair and deep pain/sorrow...

But there's always other music to enjoy... I tend to like just about any kind of music there is. Just as long as it isn't old MJ. :p

[Sluff]

Eminem is very good, but not the best. The best rapper is 50 or 2Pac. :)

EDIT: Forgot Dre! :shocked:

[bobdagangsta]

Yup, I agree with sluff there.

[!Diamond!]

Hes the best. He doesn't rap about money, whores, cops like
most raps these days.


That's true. He's more about what his life was like and his relationship with Hailie and his mother, sometimes Kim, not like some other rap no.

In his more recent songs you can tell he thinks the world of his daughter and would do anything for her. A few years ago he wouldn't have been writing songs dedicated to his daughter.

[KBHoleN1]

Eminem is very good, but not the best. The best rapper is 50 or 2Pac. :)

EDIT: Forgot Dre! :shocked:
50? Don't make me laugh. He may be lyrically gifted, and his songs are always catchy, but his rhymes are always about the same things, it just gets old after a while. I love 50's songs, but to classify him as the best rapper of all time (or to even mention his name on the list) is just proposterous.

[the gray]

I would classify E as great, but not 'The Great', if you know what I mean.

I'm still a Dre fan.

[Twelve]

Eminem is the best rapper currently alive and rapping today. Best rapper of all time??? Now that's where the debate comes in.

1.Eminem
2. Nas
3. Jay-Z


12

[!Diamond!]

Yeah true. For sure the best white rapper, but I can't think of the best rapper of all time. I think Twista has mucho talent :)

[the gray]

Yeah true. For sure the best white rapper, but I can't think of the best rapper of all time. I think Twista has mucho talent :)

Twista's fast. I like that.

Mucho Talent.

[lazygun]

Enjoy his sense of humour.But apart from him have only ever listened to GraveDiggaz/Niggaz(sp?) and N.W.A.:D

And a little Tupac.

And a bit more Beastie Boys..

[ko71991]

Eminem is very good, but not the best. The best rapper is 50 or 2Pac. :)

EDIT: Forgot Dre! :shocked:
50? Are you kidding me? Dude's good but he's not better than Em. And he's certainly not good enough to be held next to 2pac.. At least not yet, maybe.

[shatterstar]

eminem's alright. His good songs are really really good. - stan, sing for the moment, the way i am, the 8 mile soundtrack song are all amazing. But he's got a hell of a lot of rubbish too.

2pac is still king.

[Sluff]

50? Are you kidding me? Dude's good but he's not better than Em.

Maybe not "better," but Eminem certainly isn't better than 50, and he isn't better than tupac or dr dre.

And he's certainly not good enough to be held next to 2pac.. At least not yet, maybe.

50 is very, very good at rapping, and is also one of the best at demonstrating the theme of gangster in each of his songs. He isn't equal to tupac, nor does he surpass shakur. But he is pretty much the most well-known rapper of all time because of all his great songs.

[Realist]

50 is very, very good at rapping, and is also one of the best at demonstrating the theme of gangster in each of his songs. He isn't equal to tupac, nor does he surpass shakur. But he is pretty much the most well-known rapper of all time because of all his great songs.

:rolleyes:

[The Pirate]

You guys only talk about American main stream rappers.

...

In that catergory, I like Lil' Jon.

I really like some of the rap I have been listening in concerts in Brasil. It is like a ragae rap? I haven't really heard anything like it in the USA, but it is very good. :-)

[Rockstar Energy]

In that catergory, I like Lil' Jon.


He has made a living by saying What, yeah, and ok.
Like every song of his has those words.

God forbidd if he made a song without them.

:rolleyes:

[Pinball]

Rap isnt my favorite kind of music but i still think that eminem is a talented rapper.....probably up there with teh greats

[The Pirate]

He has made a living by saying What, yeah, and ok.
Like every song of his has those words.

God forbidd if he made a song without them.

:rolleyes:

He uses those words as more part of the music than the lyrics. How many times has Elvis strumed an A chord? I know that was not equal, but I tried.

Also didn't Eminem retire a couple of months ago?

[shatterstar]

The thing I like about Eminem is that he's still true 'rap'. 50, lil john are all too hip-hopish now. The lyrical intricacy that rap had has been replaced by too many grunts, moans and cuss words for my liking.

[Megabyte]

Eminem, the best

Let go, it's over.


I'm not even a rap fan and I can see that his writing is light years ahead of everyone else. Last I checked, rap didn't have to be strictly 'bout gangsta.


As for 50...like I said, not even a rap fan. I can tell he sucks. Whatever, the guy's out there to capital on a name and make some money as fast as possible. I wouldn't do different in his shoes, but how the hell does that make him anywhere near the best in you kid's minds? Maybe because he had a game with his name and likeness stamped onto it?

[The Cheat]

He was but no longer. He's quit people. Give him some rest.

Besides Jay-Z and Kanye West are much better.


I can't stand 50. All his songs sound the same.

[Jax'D]

Hmm, a thread I made a year and a half ago, bumped? Weird.
Eminem is and was the best white rapper EVER.
Now that 50 is properly on the scene, he is probably my favourite along side The Game, Yong Buck, Chamillionaire and Tinchy Strider.

50 is very, very good at rapping, and is also one of the best at demonstrating the theme of gangster in each of his songs. He isn't equal to tupac, nor does he surpass shakur. But he is pretty much the most well-known rapper of all time because of all his great songs.

Amen.

He has made a living by saying What, yeah, and ok

Yeeaaahhhh

As for 50...like I said, not even a rap fan. I can tell he sucks. Whatever, the guy's out there to capital on a name and make some money as fast as possible. I wouldn't do different in his shoes, but how the hell does that make him anywhere near the best in you kid's minds? Maybe because he had a game with his name and likeness stamped onto it?

One thing to say to that...

/smack

You don't like 50? Megabyte him.

[KBHoleN1]

I think we need to categorize what we mean by "great rapper". Are we talking star power, ganster attitude, lyricism, catchy songs, nice beats. Because I think a lot of people are confusing them. 50 Cent is an entertainer, with a ganster attitude, who can write some very original and catchy lyrics, and has the luxury of having some of the best beats and featured artists in ther business. But his lyrics are always about the same things. And when every Joe Schmo in the hip-hop industry raps about the same things (drugs, sex, money, killing people, and being gangsta), it really diminishes his appeal, at least to me.

Someone mentioned that Em has a lot of great songs, and a lot of rubbish. I can pick up any Em CD, and listen to it all the way through. I may not like every song on there, but they all serve a purpose. He presents a clear, well-constructed message, with almost unsurpassed lyrical talent. Plus, he has the ability to make hits as well. Every song can't be a club-banger, or you end up with cheap mainstream hip-hop (kinda like 50's new stuff - i so wish he would make an album like he did when he was an unkown).

In my opinion, most of the best lyricists are people you've never heard of, because they don't make club-bangers and instant hits. But to sit down and listen to the lyrics of their songs is a thing of beauty. For instance, someone like Mos Def. He has mucho talent. Then there are the artists who let their style define their music. Twista raps fast as hell, and is great at it, I love his songs. Someone like Snoop raps in a sing-song kind of way, his words flow to the beat, and it makes for great music.

It's hard to say who is the best overall, but you can easily identify the strong points of any rapper (or lack thereof). There's a time and a place for Lil Jon, but its certainly not for his lyrical genius. When I'm high as hell, all I wanna do is snap my fingers and do my step:p . But if I want a powerful song, I'm not gonna look to the King of Crunk, I'm gonna turn to Em, or Pac, or Biggie. Or better yet, go old school and play some Bob Marley. Those are lyrics to live by :bigsmile:

[WaCk-HeAd]

Eminem, BIG, Nas, Tupac and KRS-1 are the best five to me, hands down.

50 cent probably belongs to the economically smartest 5 rappers, but definitely not to the best 5.

[/\wolfrider/\]

well i like eminems music, to say he is the best though? maybe not

but if i compared eminem to 50 cent
eminem would win, for starters 8mile was good but get rich or die trying was terrible and eminems songs are more meaningful such as when im gone an mockingbird.

There is also not many white rappers if any who can compare up to Eminem

i also like DMX,tupac and The Game

[HatchetKlown17]

Although I personally loathe Eminem for the fact of turning his back on those who helped get him started, and trying to say he did it ALL on his OWN... I must admit that he knows what do do, and is great at doing it. He knows what sells, what the tabloids eat up, and what sells records.

All this "bad publicity" has onl sold millions more of his records and made his pockets considerably deeper.

Also, I see some good rappers from the past there, but I do believe you are forgetting Public Enemy... One of the groups that brought hip-hop to the current level of mainstream music it is today.

[WaCk-HeAd]

By the way, I can't believe all the Eminem supporters did not mention " 'Till I collapse" as their favorite song, since it's his best by far.

As far as Jay-Z, he got whipped by Nas, so he's definitely out of the top rappers list.

[KBHoleN1]

Nas may be a better rapper, but I'd listen to a Jay-Z song before I'd listen to a Nas song. More just personal preference, but its comparisons like this that make top 5 lists hard to make. Jay-Z is a better entertainer, and we all know he's a better business man. Rocafella is the shiznit if you ask me.

[Twelve]

But he's got a hell of a lot of rubbish too.



This is indeed true about Eminem.

Maybe not "better," but Eminem certainly isn't better than 50, and he isn't better than tupac or dr dre.

Sorry man, but 50 sucks. SUCKS. LL Cool J is WAAAAY better than 50, for example.

You guys only talk about American main stream rappers.

The only other genre of rapping better than that is the underground joints...surely you aren't saying that there is better stuff than that?

In that catergory, I like Lil' Jon.

I can't believe how much he sucks. He sucks about as much as Ja-Rule.

I can pick up any Em CD, and listen to it all the way through.

Blech...not me. If you want the greatest rap/hip-hop CD of ALL TIME...it's Tribe Called Quest, Low End Theory (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000004X7/104-5619274-3515967?v=glance&n=5174).

THAT is possibly the only rap/hip hop record I've ever heard where I can listen to every one and be pleased.

Nas may be a better rapper, but I'd listen to a Jay-Z song before I'd listen to a Nas song. More just personal preference, but its comparisons like this that make top 5 lists hard to make. Jay-Z is a better entertainer, and we all know he's a better business man. Rocafella is the shiznit if you ask me.

Yeah, but did you see what Nas said to Rocafella when they battled?

"I be rockin' bit----, and you be rockin' fellas"

That settled it for me!!!!


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[death of humans]

i luv eminem but hes not better than 50 cent or tupac

[Kreator]

I think most rap sucks. I just like the older stuff.

[Twelve]

95% of the newer stuff does indeed suck...but I feel that way about all music these days.

Seriously...remember when you could turn on the radio and jam to all kinds of songs? Now, it's like...all of it sounds the same.

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[-Dape-]

Eminem learns off Dr. Dre and then Eminem passes what he got down to 50, and 50 passes it down to G unit, There all freinds and help each other out.

[Kreator]

That is true, but it doesn't mean they're all any good.

[!Diamond!]

Eminem learns off Dr. Dre

Learns in some ways, but otherways he just raps about his up-bringing and his life in general, that of which he could not learn from Dre.

[Woodland]

Learns in some ways, but otherways he just raps about his up-bringing and his life in general, that of which he could not learn from Dre.
Thats what makes him what he is, doing music about his life, thats where MockingBird and When I'm Gone came truely into it, there two of his best songs, yes I think he's better than 50, Marshall's life story music is what makes him better than 50.

[!Diamond!]

Yeah he's better than 50 simply because 50 raps: about money, whores, cops like most raps these days.. Eminem hardly if ever raps about stuff like that (anymore at least) and yeah, makes him a better rapper.

But then on the other hand it really boils down to what you mean by "best rapper" depends on peoples taste in music, if you like music to bounce along and nod your head then i'm thinking 50's music, if you like music where it's good to listen to the lyrics, it's Em.

[racoon_pie]

Rap sucks.

[The Cheat]

Rap sucks.


that is insightful. :rolleyes:


I still like Kayne West the best. Yes I know he is a little crazy and full of himself, but meh.

[Jax'D]

Yeah he's better than 50 simply because 50 raps: Eminem hardly if ever raps about stuff like that (anymore at least) and yeah, makes him a better rapper.

This is the point I must argue.

Em raps about events in his life, yes, this has been said countless times. Which makes him a better in that respect.
But, 50 sounds better and has better tunes. Yes he raps about the usual shit like whores etc. take "many men" or "god gave me style" they aren't the whores, cops and money raps, they are good raps also about his life.
Now, in my view, they cannot be compared because they rap about completely different things. They are both very talented rappers, but not in the same league.

[Woodland]

They are both very talented rappers, but not in the same league.
Exactly, Marshall is in a higher league, maybe because of his work, or it's just some of our fellow members opinions, but, everyone will have their views and points on the matter at hand, just doesn't decide who is truely the better of the two.

[Megabyte]

But, 50 sounds better and has better tunes.

debatable at best

I usually can't stand going through an entire 50 song, as I can literally feel myself getting less coordinated

[Shady]

I think he is the best!!! :) :) :) :D

[Jax'D]

I think that 50's best tune has gotta be either "God gave me style" or "Window Shopper". Eminem's best tune in my view is "When I'm Gone".

[ko71991]

I think that 50's best tune has gotta be either "God gave me style" or "Window Shopper".
Yeah, but too bad Dre made them I think.

[Jax'D]

50 made window shopper, not sure about god gave me style.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I'm not even going to tell you Lil John and 50 cent fans to compare their songs with the songs of Nas, KRS-1, Biggie and Tupac, because if you haven't yet, you just suck at life.

I'm just going to assume you guys already did this and still thought 50 cent or Lil John was better, and that's ok. You still suck at life, but at least you suck at it in a sort of informed kind of way.

As far as you KB, you must have listened to the song "Ether" from Nas at least once, it's the song from which Twelve already shared some of the pain Nas brought.

After that song I could only think of one word for Jay-Z.

Seppuku! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku)

Now if Nas is the best rapper, I don't know. The greatest rapper shouldn't make a misstep like "I can", but compared to the high pitched voice/alter-ego bullshit from Eminem,

"I know I can (I know I can)
Be what I wanna be (be what I wanna be)
If I work hard at it (If I work hard at it)
I'll be where I wanna be (I'll be where I wanna be)"

is nothing.

P.S. For the people who actually like rap, and not just MTV, try downloading some stuff from Souls of Mischief, especially 93 'til infinity

[!Diamond!]

I usually can't stand going through an entire 50 song, as I can literally feel myself getting less coordinated
I know what you mean and I agree, they sometimes get too repetitive for me.

But, 50 sounds better and has better tunes.
Your opinion? Or fact? I guess it depends on your taste in music.

[The Cheat]

debatable at best

I usually can't stand going through an entire 50 song, as I can literally feel myself getting less coordinated


I agree. Most his songs all sound the same to me.


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=745562854&n=2

Found that while searching the space. :p

[Jax'D]

*bump*

Eminem and 50 are good rappers, but I think the best new rappers have got to be chamillionaire and akala.
Ridin dirty has been a big hit for chamillionaire. Not many know of akala as he is english but he is probably one of the BEST rappers at the moment if you rap fans listen to this tune then you will see what I mean...

http://media.putfile.com/Akala---Welcome-To-England-12

If you actually listen to the words. You will realise that its not whores, cops, money etc. It is actually 100% correct about england, scary eh. Akala really is talented.

[LondonJack]

The first caucasian rapper that didn't look (http://www.dack.com/images/weblog/vanilla-ice.jpg) and/or sound (http://www.tunetribe.com/assets/images/products/71/product_image_70389.jpg) like a complete poser is this most critically acclaimed rapper of all time?

What. A. Shock.

[EatMine]

The first caucasian rapper that didn't look (http://www.dack.com/images/weblog/vanilla-ice.jpg) and/or sound (http://www.tunetribe.com/assets/images/products/71/product_image_70389.jpg) like a complete poser is this most critically acclaimed rapper of all time?

What. A. Shock.
Word to your mother. No jokes about Vanilla Ice!!!!!

[Twelve]

The first caucasian rapper that didn't look (http://www.dack.com/images/weblog/vanilla-ice.jpg) and/or sound (http://www.tunetribe.com/assets/images/products/71/product_image_70389.jpg) like a complete poser is this most critically acclaimed rapper of all time?

What. A. Shock.

Not sure what you're trying to say....?

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[mushroom_girl]

Ok, Eminem is decent. I like some of his songs. But I also like some Tupac and Biggie. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of rap. But lots of people can't rap, so it must take some kind of skill. And some people just sound awful when trying.

I'm listening to a Jay-Z song on MTV right now...it blows.

Chamillionare is a waste of recording studio. "Ridin' Dirty" is a poor excuse for a song. 50 Cent isn't even worth his name. If you get shot 9 times, I don't care. It makes me mad that he brags about it, when a friend of mine got shot 6 times and is a quadriplegic.

Anyway, I don't think that Eminem can be called the best rapper of all time. Not by a long shot.

[Twelve]

Wow. I find myself agreeing with Mushroom. Didn't know you were down like that. :)

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[Justice]

I'm gonna quote something I heard Twelve say once.

'There is good rap, and bad rap. Eminem, however, is crap rap.'

I think he was talking about 50 cent...and if I can find the post I'll put it up here :)

But anyways, Eminem got rich by rapping words that Dre wrote for him. His early stuff was all about how much he hated his mom....how much lower can you go than making money by dissing your own mom..?

He's a hopeless chav, he has got more tattoos than a pro wrestler, and he has a TERRIBLE singing voice.

Good Day.

[Twelve]

Yeah, I was hopefully talking about 50 cent there, because I do think Eminem is above crap-rap for sure. *worried about that post*

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[Jax'D]

Ok, Eminem is decent. I like some of his songs. But I also like some Tupac and Biggie. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of rap. But lots of people can't rap, so it must take some kind of skill. And some people just sound awful when trying.

I'm listening to a Jay-Z song on MTV right now...it blows.

Chamillionare is a waste of recording studio. "Ridin' Dirty" is a poor excuse for a song. 50 Cent isn't even worth his name. If you get shot 9 times, I don't care. It makes me mad that he brags about it, when a friend of mine got shot 6 times and is a quadriplegic.

Anyway, I don't think that Eminem can be called the best rapper of all time. Not by a long shot.

Well, that is pretty clear.

Thing is with Eminem, 2pac and B.I.G is that they are not just throw away rapppers... They actually hang around and people STILL listen to their tunes. I mean 2 of those 3 are dead and their tunes are still being played and remixed etc. Eminem may have gone to producing but still, I would bet on 1/5 people like at least one of his tunes. They say white guys can't rap but Em has proved he can and is very good at it too.

Now for Jay-Z... I must admit it now... I loathe his tunes. A couple of his tunes that have been remixed with linkin parks make them sound better, but I still am not very keen on them.

Chamillionaire has some pretty good tunes. Ridin is by nowhere near his best, in fact one of his worst to be honest. Listen to hate in ya eyes, that is good.

For 50, well I disagree totally. Yes I agree that his bragging about getting shot 9 times and surviving is laying it on a bit thick. In my view, he is a good rapper but he raps about the same shit. His tunes all sound the same except with a different beat. How else would he have gotten a record deal if he wasn't a good rapper? Especially a deal by Eminem and Dre, that is a feat.

I do not believe Eminem is the best rapper in the world either, but he sure as hell isn't far from it.

[HatchetKlown17]

Thing is with Eminem, 2pac and B.I.G is that they are not just throw away rapppers...

How the hell can you put eminem in the same list as 2pac and B.I.G.?

As I said before, Eminem knows what sells and is a good businessman in that sense, but a shitty ass excuse for a rapper.

[mantis33]

Don't use "best" and "rapper" in the same sentence... please. There is no best when it's all shit.

EDIT: I wonder how many negs I'll get for this. :D

[mushroom_girl]

It's not just rapping that's gone down-hill though.

So much rock music sucks today, and where the hell did these emo kids come from? Go back to your corner, no one loves you.

It seems like people are running out of ideas. Everything sounds the same now, in every genre of music. :(

[Swartzstrom]

Eminem? The best rapper? What? Yeah, right.

Eminem's old stuff was hot, I'll admit it. When he was crazy, his rhymes were real nice. I loved his stuff back in the day. But he is nowhere near the best rapper in the world? I'm not going to mention dead people, but people alive make him look like crap.

Lupe Fiasco, in my opinion, is the hottest rapper out right now. One of his hot songs with Ghostface and Mike Shinoda, Spray Paint is one of my favorite songs of all time. Lupe is a fantastic lyricist and has exceptional flow. He can put meaningful rhymes on a hot beat and make them match any time. He's pretty new to the main stream scene, but that doesn't matter. "Kick Push" is nice, but "Conflict Diamonds" is better.

Jay-Z. Best-rapper-alive. Period. True; he hasn't utilized his full potential since he put out his album Reasonable Doubt, but who cares? His rhymes are hot as hell, and better than anything most rappers can put out these days. I'm not going to do the (beep) 'Shoulder Lean'. (Beep) the Shoulder Lean. That (beep) song (beep) sucks. It isn't 'Goin' Down' at the mall...or anywhere else on my watch. And the cops will never catch me listening to 'Ridin' Dirty'. Jay-Z is off the chain in the game. Even though he quit. Eminem has one thing over Jay-Z. He spit better verses on Renegade than Jay-Z did.

50 Cent? Yeah, right. He got shot nine times. Who the (beep) cares? If I shoot that stupid son-of-a-(beep) a tenth time, I'd bet that (beep) would be dead then. 50 Cent sucks. He has garbage lyrics, garbage flow. Dr. Dre's beats helped his songs sound hot, that's all. I will admit one thing about 50 Cent, though. He's fantastic at Song Format. The placement of everything in his songs is exceptional, so that's helped him greatly. The best rapper in G-Unit is Lloyd Banks. They've got Busta Rhymes now, too, so they've got major help there.

A few hot rappers I like are: SunN.Y., Papoose, Jae Millz, Saigon, Quan, Joe Budden, Ghostface, M. Shinoda, Jay-Z, Memphis Bleek, Lupe Fiasco, Nas...pretty much, I'm for people who came from the west coast and up north. Southern rappers suck. Very much. Ludacris and T.I. are the only good southern rappers. Besides that, they're all garbage. Lil' Jon heads G-Unit: South. He's garbage too.

Eminem's new songs are throw-away. Very much so. I don't want to listen to his new crap. Because it's crap. He plays around too much. I went up to Boston for a week this summer, and everybody was listening to Jay-Z, Nas, Biggie, 2Pac, Papoose and a whole bunch of other rappers who came from the north and west coast. Chi-Town has some hot rappers, too. Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, and another hot rapper I really like came from the Chi.

At the moment, the only rappers I see making Hip-Hop good right now is Kanye West, Lupe Fiasco, Common, Talib Kweli, GLC, J. Torae, and Mos Def. Everything else is just Gangsta Rap. I mean, I don't want to hear that shit. I don't give a damn how many hoes you banged. I don't care how many people you shot last Thursday. I don't care how many cops you outran, or how many drugs you sold. I don't care about how much money you have. It's bullshit. They think they're gangsters, but they're not. The real gangsters are people like the Mafia, the Yakuza's, and the Triads. What rappers like Young Jeezy think, they're gangsters. They're gangsta. There's a difference. Gangsta's have a one-track mind. Sell drugs, get money, wear expensive clothes, and all that bullshit. Gangsters make it big. Hence the said crime organizations.

Hip-Hop now is nothing but a bad influence upon the kids of today. They see it on TV and think that because it's on TV, it's cool. Most definitely those of African-American heritage. We degade ourselves on a national level. It's pathetic.

I'll just shut up before I go on a rant about this.

[Twelve]

It's not just rapping that's gone down-hill though.

So much rock music sucks today, and where the hell did these emo kids come from? Go back to your corner, no one loves you.

It seems like people are running out of ideas. Everything sounds the same now, in every genre of music. :(

Oh. My. Gosh.

Didn't I say almost exactly that somewhere?

*looks*

Edit:

Found it. Mushroom, we think alike! (http://www.tacticsarenaonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=910244&postcount=129)

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[mantis33]

I'll just shut up before I go on a rant about this.
So the novel you already wrote wasn't a rant? :confused:

I'd hate to see you on a major rant...

[mushroom_girl]

Found it. Mushroom, we think alike! (http://www.tacticsarenaonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=910244&postcount=129)
Whoa.

Twelve...we should run for political office together. We'd never argue! ;)

[ChainHeart]

It's not just rapping that's gone down-hill though.

So much rock music sucks today, and where the hell did these emo kids come from? Go back to your corner, no one loves you.

It seems like people are running out of ideas. Everything sounds the same now, in every genre of music. :(

:huh: what exactly is this "emo" genre?

[mushroom_girl]

:huh: what exactly is this "emo" genre?
Example:

"Ohio Is For Lovers"--Hawthorne Heights
And I can't make it on my own.
(And I can't make it on my own.)
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
(Cut my wrists and black my eyes)
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.
Because you kill me.
You know you do, you kill me well.
You like it too, and I can tell.
You never stop until my final breath is gone.

You know you do, you kill me well.
You like it too, and I can tell.
You never stop until my final breath is gone.

(YOU...KILL...ME...WELL)
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
My final breath is gone
So I can fall asleep tonight

It's pretty much a bunch of guys with large ovaries singing about how much their life sucks.

[ChainHeart]

hahaha :rolleyes:

im suprised people still like these type of songs :dry:

[wolf rayne {D}]

Eminem, the critically acclaimed best rapper in the world, is this true?

So what do you lot think about this guy, he raps about his family his friends and bad things that has happened in his life.

Who has a grudge against him or who loves him.
EMINEM. EMINEM. EMINEM. EMINEM.
Yeah, actually, he is my favorite rapper.

[Cuathon]

Example:

"Ohio Is For Lovers"--Hawthorne Heights
And I can't make it on my own.
(And I can't make it on my own.)
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
(Cut my wrists and black my eyes)
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.
Because you kill me.
You know you do, you kill me well.
You like it too, and I can tell.
You never stop until my final breath is gone.

You know you do, you kill me well.
You like it too, and I can tell.
You never stop until my final breath is gone.

(YOU...KILL...ME...WELL)
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
My final breath is gone
So I can fall asleep tonight

It's pretty much a bunch of guys with large ovaries singing about how much their life sucks.
i love you shroomy!

[The Cheat]

I don't care what everyone says. "Ice Ice Baby" is one of the best rap songs ever. Period. :p

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IXcdv2mKFQ