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bludhoundz
02-09-2005, 07:07 PM
For those health experts out there, you know what I'm talking about, for everyone else, heres something to learn ;)

DOMS - Delayed Onset of Muscle Soreness, also known as lactic acid buildup.

This is when you work out, or are very physically active, and then you're sore as hell afterwards.

Welcome to my world. Yesterday I had PE for 1 hour and 30 minutes, and 2 hours of football after school. Then today I also had 2 + hours of football after school. Oh, I can't wait for PE tomorrow. *sigh*


DOMS - Delayed Onset of Muscle Soreness, also known as lactic acid buildup.

This is when you work out, or are very physically active, and then you're sore as hell afterwards.

If you want it in very simple terms "I'm so f*cking sore!"

Yes...I know I quoted myself.

DARKSMILE
02-09-2005, 07:09 PM
this is also a pointless thread

cokeman
02-09-2005, 07:10 PM
this is also a pointless thread

Your point less. Dont diss Bluds post noob.

bludhoundz
02-09-2005, 07:11 PM
Pointless it may be, but I won't believe that if someone with under 100 posts, who I've never seen before says it.

Thanks Cokey ;)

cokeman
02-09-2005, 07:12 PM
Pointless it may be, but I won't believe that if someone with under 100 posts, who I've never seen before says it.

Thanks Cokey ;)

Got your back Blud any time just call me up :cool: .

lostandconfused
02-09-2005, 07:12 PM
Do you know how you get rid of lactic acid? Go do a low instensity workout. Nothing hard. It's like in track, we work our asses off one day, say this day is Friday. If you do nothing over the weekend, the lactic acid is still there and you will be sore. If you go for an easy jog, a couple miles or so, hey! It all goes away, leaving you less sore come next workout day. :)

bludhoundz
02-09-2005, 07:16 PM
Yeah, being physically active but not burning yourself out helps get rid of ye olde lactic acid.

Of course, I'm not smart like that, I just run my ass off during football until I can't feel my feet. Oh yeah, I also have blisters all over my feet -.-.

MtSlayer
02-09-2005, 07:22 PM
Pretty much. I wrestle, so believe me, I know all about being sore. After a while, your body becomes conditioned to the point where yea, you're tired, but you can take it. I went to the gym saturday and did my max weight on a lot of machines, and was fine the next day although I was sore while lifting. Add on the countless calisthenics we do in practice and I'm still fine, tired (5 days a week, 3 hours a day typically), but fine.

So basically, yea, it's going to suck for a day or two. But you'll get to the point naturally where either your mind or your body ignores it or your recovery increases so you can do more sooner. Trust me man, I lifted with the football team last year over the summer. The first time, I was sore for 3 days straight. After that short period though I was fine. Also, do light conditioning in the morning and nights.

IE, we do reps at practice:

Feetfire (10-15 seconds each time, or just skip em)
10 jumping jacks
Feetfire
10 pushups
Feetfire
10 situps
Feetfire
10 stand-ups (substitute with any other good leg exercise).

4-6 times as a routine.

So if you do something like that daily (or any other conditioning routine, I'd do at least 100 pushups a night before wrestling started), you will increase your endurance too. Soon enough you'll be a lot stronger, will have a better recovery and be more conditioned.

CRX687
02-09-2005, 07:24 PM
It also helps if you just get a massage ;)

cokeman
02-09-2005, 07:26 PM
It also helps if you just get a massage ;)

Most of the things you post i do not get.
Must be weird not to understand the 3 letter guy.. :D.

Megabyte
02-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Doms is also the name of the villians in Beyond Good and Evil ;)

I don't hav this problem too often anymore...maybe I should work harder.

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 07:35 PM
For those health experts out there, you know what I'm talking about, for everyone else, heres something to learn ;)

DOMS - Delayed Onset of Muscle Soreness, also known as lactic acid buildup.

This is when you work out, or are very physically active, and then you're sore as hell afterwards.

Welcome to my world. Yesterday I had PE for 1 hour and 30 minutes, and 2 hours of football after school. Then today I also had 2 + hours of football after school. Oh, I can't wait for PE tomorrow. *sigh*



If you want it in very simple terms "I'm so f*cking sore!"

Yes...I know I quoted myself.

I teach Karate five hours every day after school and on Saturdays without break.

Serge
02-09-2005, 07:42 PM
I teach Karate five hours every day after school and on Saturdays without break.
Not to disprove your point or anything, but my Tae Kwan Do instructor spent most of the time just walking around, correcting people's technique 90% of the time. Didn't seem like such a rigorous workout.

bludhoundz
02-09-2005, 07:44 PM
I teach Karate five hours every day after school and on Saturdays without break.
Don't worry Ach, I'm not challenging your endurance skills.

And berz, you probably know this already, but lifting weights and most of the rest of the exercises you do don't use oxygen (anaerobic), so you get more lactic acid buildup than if you jog around a track for a long time.

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 07:46 PM
Not to disprove your point or anything, but my Tae Kwan Do instructor spent most of the time just walking around, correcting people's technique 90% of the time. Didn't seem like such a rigorous workout.

And that's why Tae Kwon Do is the worst Martial Art you can find.

I have to lead the class for warm ups, meaning I do all of it with them. Three sets of twenty five push-ups, three sets of twenty five sit-ups, three sets of one hundered jumping jacks, then run with them for ten minutes, while stopping to do sets of fifteen push-ups and sit ups about five times through the run. Then I have to do the rest of the class, meaning basics (Punching, kicking, strikes, blocking, ect...), sparring, forms, material.

Then I do that five more times - once each class.

MtSlayer
02-09-2005, 07:49 PM
Damn man, I'm going to your classes. Start a branch in the rest of MA, I've been trying to find a good class but everything I see is little kid low intensity stuff. And Blud, there's more to it then that but it will get you going. Add jumprope in between instead.

Serge
02-09-2005, 07:49 PM
And that's why Tae Kwon Do is the worst Martial Art you can find.

I have to lead the class for warm ups, meaning I do all of it with them. Three sets of twenty five push-ups, three sets of twenty five sit-ups, three sets of one hundered jumping jacks, then run with them for ten minutes, while stopping to do sets of fifteen push-ups and sit ups about five times through the run. Then I have to do the rest of the class, meaning basics (Punching, kicking, strikes, blocking, ect...), sparring, forms, material.

Then I do that five more times - once each class.
Nah, you're just doing it wrong. You don't HAVE to do the warm-ups with them, all you HAVE to do is count.

CRX687
02-09-2005, 07:49 PM
Most of the things you post i do not get.
Must be weird not to understand the 3 letter guy.. :D.


what's not to get? After a tough track, kung fun, or fencing session, I find it always helps to rub my muscles a bit before/during the initial stages of soreness... It's always helped. :)

MtSlayer
02-09-2005, 07:52 PM
I was drilling double bar arms today and realized something. If I got a massage, I'd be worried that the person was going to throw in wrestling moves. I like can't lie down on my stomach without thinking of wrestling.

lostandconfused
02-09-2005, 07:53 PM
what's not to get? After a tough track, kung fun, or fencing session, I find it always helps to rub my muscles a bit before/during the initial stages of soreness... It's always helped. :)
Incorrect. After a track session, you get one of the girls on the team to massage your muscles.

lostandconfused
02-09-2005, 07:54 PM
I was drilling double bar arms today and realized something. If I got a massage, I'd be worried that the person was going to throw in wrestling moves. I like can't lie down on my stomach without thinking of wrestling.
I sure as hell am glad I'm not your girlfriend. :p

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 07:54 PM
Nah, you're just doing it wrong. You don't HAVE to do the warm-ups with them, all you HAVE to do is count.

At which point I will look like your worthless Tae Kwon Do instructor.

MtSlayer
02-09-2005, 07:54 PM
Okay, there are exceptions. But still, if someone walks behind me on the mats I get reaaaaally suspicious.

CRX687
02-09-2005, 07:56 PM
Incorrect. After a track session, you get one of the girls on the team to massage your muscles.

I WOULD do that, but my girlfriend is also on the track team... and I can't have her do it cuz her dad's my comp sci teacher... :(

and berz, all i can say is that it's ur own fault :p

lostandconfused
02-09-2005, 07:59 PM
I WOULD do that, but my girlfriend is also on the track team... and I can't have her do it cuz her dad's my comp sci teacher... :(

and berz, all i can say is that it's ur own fault :p
Well. Don't let her see.

Serge
02-09-2005, 07:59 PM
Incorrect. After a track session, you get one of the girls on the team to massage your muscles.
Hellz yeah, boy!

CRX687
02-09-2005, 08:00 PM
Well. Don't let her see.

only place that can happen is in the guys locker room... and I'd rather not have anyone else in there do it...

Serge
02-09-2005, 08:01 PM
At which point I will look like your worthless Tae Kwon Do instructor.
I still stand by my belief that you hate simply for the sake of hating. But really, common sense should tell you it's smarter just to count.

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 08:06 PM
I still stand by my belief that you hate simply for the sake of hating. But really, common sense should tell you it's smarter just to count.

No, it's not. Because then the kids think that I am forcing them. They don't have to do this, it's their choice. If I'm just walking around them while they work, it will seem as though I look down on them. I don't. I have respect for them for working hard. And I want that respect to be returned, so I make the effort to train with them as opposed to training them. If you have an instructor who just barks orders, and never does anything with you, then you won't look at him as a leader, but merely someone in control. I am showing them that I am not just bossing them around, I'm making them do what I can do. And they know what I can do by seeing me do it. I set the example. I set an example that they will some day hopefully become. Your teacher just walks around and counts. Anyone can walk around and count. But if he trains with you, you'll know that if he can do it, then you can too.

Serge
02-09-2005, 08:19 PM
Well, I see your point, but I'm just talking about warm-ups. I also didn't say you had to go all Major Pain on them when they were doing warm-ups. None of the people in my classes felt forced to do the stuff.

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 08:31 PM
Well, I see your point, but I'm just talking about warm-ups. I also didn't say you had to go all Major Pain on them when they were doing warm-ups. None of the people in my classes felt forced to do the stuff.

If you don't push them, they won't excel. Sure, I could stroll in, give them an easy work out, and then move on to other activities. If I do that, then what's the point? If I make it easy for them, they won't become any better at what they're doing. I'm going to challenge them as much as I can without killing them. Make them sweat every bit of fluid in their body. They came here to learn, and learning is a challenge, so I'm going to make it challenging. If they think this is going to be easy, then they should quit. Why would I make it easier for them? This isn't gym class. This is a Martial Arts class run by Mike Sweeney. I've gone through it. I know how it works. I know what works and what doesn't. I have come home some nights so tired and beat up that I can't walk. As a result of those ten years of kicking my ass, I'm now making twenty five bucks an hour, teaching the top Martial Arts school on the east coast, have been ranked amongst the top five in New England, and I am a black belt. If my superiors had not gone 'Major Pain' on my ass, I never would have had the motivation, strength, or confidence to achieve any of that. They're not here to play, they're here for me to teach them an art. And with that comes very hard work.

Serge
02-09-2005, 08:39 PM
By 'Major Pain' I meant cussing and yelling just because they had their fingers spread too far apart on their push-ups, and stupid stuff like that.

thefreezing
02-09-2005, 08:40 PM
I once had a 4 hour baseball practice. My coach was pissed off at me and the team for losing the tournament championship so he wanted us to suffer for it lol. It was a horrible practice. But football camps are the worse! 5 days of 7am-12pm practices. Ugh!

MtSlayer
02-09-2005, 08:47 PM
Like I said Ach.. open it up down here or let me know of a similiar program. I need a good off-season martial art. A Ju-jitsu student that wrestles is one of the best in my weight class. I've got massive respect for my coach btw, he's one of the best wrestlers in New England and can beat us all without breaking a sweat. He has the captains lead our reps, but he leads the rest of our harder conditioning typically. If we do it, he does it better. So yea, doing the conditioning with your pupils definitely helps.

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 08:47 PM
By 'Major Pain' I meant cussing and yelling just because they had their fingers spread too far apart on their push-ups, and stupid stuff like that.

I never said I cussed or yelled at them. Quote it and I'll fix it. I am loud, but so everyone can hear me, knows I'm serious, and is motivated. I don't scream at kids, though. I don't want to try to break them. Not that early in training. It is later that I scream at them and order them around. But the reason for that being they have already achieved physical perfection, or close to it. They can do anything now without trouble. Take me, I work every day. Around a hundered push ups a class. Five classes a day. Five days a week. That's 2,500 push ups on average a week. I've gotten to the point that it's hard to physically challenge me. So when I got to that point, they start mentally challenging you. My brown belt test two years ago, for example. It started at eleven. We were told it would end in six hours. Only they took down the clocks, and blinded all the windows. Now imagine a six hours of unfathomable tears, sweat, and blood, only we have absolutly no idea how much longer there is to go. It messes with your mind. People broke down crying and had to stop. These were people who were unmatched in physical strenght. But the fact that time moves so slow, and we had no idea how much longer, just that it was going to be a long void filled with pain, broke them. After something like that, your mind begins to toughen. I've done that test three times, brown belt, advanced brown, then black. I feel confident about myself now, very confident. I know I can handle it. But if I were to throw a nine year old orange belt in there, they would have a nervous break down. That's why we have to almost nurture the younger ones, motivate them until they get to the point that we can start mentally testing them.

Serge
02-09-2005, 08:55 PM
You said this:

No, it's not. Because then the kids think that I am forcing them. They don't have to do this, it's their choice. If I'm just walking around them while they work, it will seem as though I look down on them. I don't. I have respect for them for working hard. And I want that respect to be returned...

So I said this:

I also didn't say you had to go all Major Pain on them when they were doing warm-ups.

Meaning that you didn't have to be overly rough with them. You just misunderstood what I was saying.

Amaroth
02-09-2005, 09:05 PM
I'm not being rough with them at all. You couldn't be more wrong. I'm merely making them do alot more than an average person or school would. I'm not trying to make them do something impossible, I'm making them do something very hard. They're completely capable of doing it, it just takes the will to want to do it. Which brings us back. They see me doing it, they'll no I can which will assure them that if I can do it, anyone can. If I was rough with them, they wouldn't gain anything.

Now I have to go to bed. See you all... Err... Whenever I feel like popping in from my leave of absence again.

Berz, the school is spreading fast, I'll tell you if we start heading your way.

Northwind
02-09-2005, 09:56 PM
DOMS - Delayed Onset of Muscle Soreness, also known as lactic acid buildup.
Blud,

To drastically reduce DOMS, take a potassium supplement after working out. If you can't get this, eat a couple of bananas.

007 GOD
02-10-2005, 07:47 AM
why do i care ( no offense)

max2k106
02-10-2005, 08:40 AM
Blud,

To drastically reduce DOMS, take a potassium supplement after working out. If you can't get this, eat a couple of bananas.

Does anyone say potassium as "potashum"? . . . I call it that when I want to piss of the people in the Science wing of my school. :D

007 GOD
02-10-2005, 10:31 AM
i admire you for being a rebel

bludhoundz
02-10-2005, 04:38 PM
why do i care ( no offense)
You don't have to care, I was just willing to let people know a little bit about their bodies. But if you don't care, don't bother posting please :)

Serge
02-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Ach, you're still misunderstanding what I said.

Elentari
02-10-2005, 08:49 PM
Swergey, I hate to say this, but it seems to me like you're misunderstanding what _he_ said?

Serge
02-10-2005, 08:50 PM
Nope.

Elentari
02-10-2005, 08:51 PM
Oh, I stand corrected. :)

Duffman
02-10-2005, 08:56 PM
Nah, you're just doing it wrong. You don't HAVE to do the warm-ups with them, all you HAVE to do is count.
"He's not heavyyyyyyy, He's mah brotherrrrrrrrrrrr"

(this was meant to be a rep except for the spread)

MokoToko
02-10-2005, 09:08 PM
Hey Ach, If I go out to New England could u teach me Martial Arts?

007 GOD
02-11-2005, 07:37 AM
dont get mad, i am so damn sick of this place im in, i am just in a bad mood.