Chicken or the Egg?

[meat.eater]

What came first?

[max2k106]

The chicken

[mushroom_girl]

The Egg (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question85.htm)

[dirka dirka]

Chicken, and overtime it adapted to situations and gained the ability to have eggs in order to reproduce faster, or whatever the reason might be. However without the chicken, the egg can not exist, but without the egg, the chicken can.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Dirka, the capability to utilize eggs for reproduction came long before animals walked on land, let alone grew feathers and wings late in the Jurassic period.

The Egg came first. Then the Chicken.

[The Cheat]

*drools* Mmmmmmm Chicken and eggs.......

[Megabyte]

*thinking..* (http://pic.funtigo.com/img/i24662473_18680.gif)

[dirka dirka]

Dirka, the capability to utilize eggs for reproduction came long before animals walked on land, let alone grew feathers and wings late in the Jurassic period.

The Egg came first. Then the Chicken.


Yes, but the chicken didn't utilize it. Therefore the chicken came first, not the egg.

[DeadFishGuy]

If we're referring to eggs in general, the egg came first, for the reasons LT stated previously.

If we're just talking chicken eggs, the chicken came first, bcause an egg would have to come from a chicken to be classified as a chicken egg. So the chicken would have to be first, so it could produce a chicken egg.

[dirka dirka]

If we're referring to eggs in general, the egg came first, for the reasons LT stated previously.

If we're just talking chicken eggs, the chicken came first, bcause an egg would have to come from a chicken to be classified as a chicken egg. So the chicken would have to be first, so it could produce a chicken egg.

Very true, good point, i think the whole debate is based around chickens, obviously the 'egg' in general came first, however we are talking about a chicken egg.

[kyrios24]

How many times have we been through this! It was the egg. The EGG. No matter whether you're talking about chicken eggs or eggs in general (although it does bother me when people pull that fish egg annoyance). Think. The chicken. Came out of a CHICKEN EGG. This is a given. It did not come out of a non-chicken egg, as then that egg would be classified as a chicken egg. The first egg which spawned the first chicken, on the other hand, did not necessarily come from a "chicken," per se. It could also have been either a crossbreed of two chickenesque creatures, or been caused by a genetic mutation in an egg which, without the mutation, would have become a perfectly normal not-quite-chicken bird. Which was what laid it in the first place. Since these are the only two possibilities (i.e., that the first egg came from the first chicken, or vice versa), and since the chicken-came-first possibility isn't really a possibility at all, we are left with exactly one possibility. The egg.

The defense rests.

Edit: Meh, didn't realize that was a link, mushroom girl. I like. ;) Well, anyway people, it's the egg.

[The Cheat]

This thread makes my head hurt....

[meat.eater]

How many times have we been through this! It was the egg. The EGG. No matter whether you're talking about chicken eggs or eggs in general (although it does bother me when people pull that fish egg annoyance). Think. The chicken. Came out of a CHICKEN EGG. This is a given. It did not come out of a non-chicken egg, as then that egg would be classified as a chicken egg. The first egg which spawned the first chicken, on the other hand, did not necessarily come from a "chicken," per se. It could also have been either a crossbreed of two chickenesque creatures, or been caused by a genetic mutation in an egg which, without the mutation, would have become a perfectly normal not-quite-chicken bird. Which was what laid it in the first place. Since these are the only two possibilities (i.e., that the first egg came from the first chicken, or vice versa), and since the chicken-came-first possibility isn't really a possibility at all, we are left with exactly one possibility. The egg.

The defense rests.

Edit: Meh, didn't realize that was a link, mushroom girl. I like. ;) Well, anyway people, it's the egg.

so over slowly evolving organisms, when the animal that wasnt quite a chicken layed an egg that birthed a chicken, you consider that egg a chicken egg? i do not. i consider it the egg of the animal that layed it. The chicken just came out of this animals egg. Therefor the chicken was first.

its like when a Doberman has sex with a Beagle and makes a hybrid dog, that might become very popular. If Dobermans lay eggs, the egg it layed would be a doberman egg, the product would be the new spieces. (i really dont know why i picked dogs over snakes or real egg-laying animals, but oh well).

the prosecution rests.

-eater

[Duffman]

I believe it's a chicken. Going of the theory of evolution if the egg came first then a non-chicken species would have to of been mutated in the way that it lays chicken eggs but itself is not a chicken. It's far more likely that the non-chicken creature layed a it's own kind of egg and then the mutation occured in that egg resulting in the chicken.

EDIT - meat.eater beat me to it.

[meat.eater]

now say "the prosecution rests". :)

[Spit_101]

Without constant scientific blabber, I'll will voice my opinion in 2 words..

The chicken.

[Terps rock]

its the egg because you evolve over time through each generation, and it is put into DNA which is passed down to an egg, so when the change occurred that it became a chicken, it was in an egg.

[dirka dirka]

its the egg because you evolve over time through each generation, and it is put into DNA which is passed down to an egg, so when the change occurred that it became a chicken, it was in an egg.
You seriously need to read some books, there was no sudden change.

[Terps rock]

did say there was noob

[dirka dirka]

did say there was noob

That doesn't even make sense first of all.

Second, you did, " when the change occurred that it became a chicken".

[Terps rock]

change is i didnt say suddenly though, and there will always be that last change

[dirka dirka]

change is i didnt say suddenly though, and there will always be that last change
Like I said, read a book, a change like that happens suddenly, generation to generation. Thats why it didn't happen.

[ArcPaladinZero]

Man do I eat a lot of fried chicken.

[dirka dirka]

READ THIS

Okay, even if the "EGG" came first, the chicken was in the egg.

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

I think the chicken came first. Somehow I think.

[dirka dirka]

It did.

[ko71991]

I say that dinosaurs came first, then mating with other random dinosaurs, whish gets it closer and closer to look like a chicken, then finally, the semi-chicken looking dinosaur layed an egg and out comes an exact chicken looking creature we now call the chicken, so technically, the egg came first. :cool:

[dirka dirka]

I say that dinosaurs came first, then mating with other random dinosaurs, whish gets it closer and closer to look like a chicken, then finally, the semi-chicken looking dinosaur layed an egg and out comes an exact chicken looking creature we now call the chicken, so technically, the egg came first. :cool:

Except for that, that has no basis.

[meat.eater]

I say that dinosaurs came first, then mating with other random dinosaurs, whish gets it closer and closer to look like a chicken, then finally, the semi-chicken looking dinosaur layed an egg and out comes an exact chicken looking creature we now call the chicken, so technically, the egg came first. :cool:

the egg the chicken-like dinosaur produced WAS NOT a chicken egg, it was that dinorsaurs egg, and the chicken became present in the fetus form inside the egg.

READ THIS

Okay, even if the "EGG" came first, the chicken was in the egg.

exactly. so if you think the egg cam first, then the chicken was there with in in fetus form, creating a tie in which came first. But, in all honesty, it was the chicken forst because that surrounding egg that housed the very first chicken was not, in fact, a chicken egg. it was the egg of the prio-to-chicken spieces that layed it.

[ko71991]

Yeah but it still came from the egg.

[kyrios24]

So basically, you're bandying words. If a chicken comes out of an egg, then that egg is, in fact, a chicken egg. I would like to say that it's a question of definition and that the answer is up for grabs, and make everybody a half-winner... but it's not. That is, up for grabs. This is clear-cut.

Edit: Meat, we're clearly not talking about a chicken in fetus form. That would make the time of its appearance coincide with that of a chicken egg (in other words, they're the same thing), and make the question not a question at all. Not that it's much of a question anyway.

[meat.eater]

Did you read what i just said in my last post? Or decide it was too long and skip over it?

Kyrios, no, that egg would not be a chicken egg! A chicken egg comes out of a chicken. An egg is defined by what births it, not what is inside of it! If you saw a snake lay an egg, regardless of whats in it, you would say: "Oh, look. A shake egg." Then if a 25-eyed monster came out of the snakes egg, it would be the first 25-eyed monster, and the egg it came from would belong to the snake. same concept.

[kyrios24]

Yes, in fact, I did read it. That's what I was doing in my last post - disagreeing with you. If the egg, by definition, came from a chicken, then this is a pointless discussion. Likewise, if the chicken, by definition, came from a chicken egg, the discussion becomes highly boring. The only real merit at all in this stupid, stupid debate lies in the science behind it. That's what we should be talking about. And you're not. You're arguing semantics.

[meat.eater]

lol wouldnt semantics be the deciding facor in wheter this is chicken or egg? science is like the compounds of the chicken and the egg and how they evolved, but science wont prove which came first. the very thing u said i was preching, will. and i have yet too see a valid argument against it. the DEFINITION of an egg is "2 : an animal reproductive body consisting of an ovum together with its nutritive and protective envelopes and having the capacity to develop into a new individual capable of independent existence"!!! That proves it all! Dont belive me? Click Here, Its about the Center of the Page (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=egg)

stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[dirka dirka]

Semantics... Who really cares?

[Terps rock]

i get it it doesnt matter because they both taste good

[meat.eater]

hi, welcome to an adult conversation.

[ko71991]

Ok, everyone, lets just all agree that chickens came from magical asteroids from the sky that when opened up, came out a chicken AND an egg. :cool:

[StupidCows]

but which came out of the asteroid 1st??

[Hoolwath]

i think it was neither egg nor chicken (nor rooster) :)

[meat.eater]

why are the noobs invading a perfectly good topic? does this always happen?

[ko71991]

Eh, sorry, my n00b side gets the best of my.

[dirka dirka]

why are the noobs invading a perfectly good topic? does this always happen?

You're the one that made it, therefore you invaded it first.

[mushroom_girl]

You're the one that made it, therefore you invaded it first.

*notices join date* ....invader. :p

But the Egg did come first. When chickens evolved from whatever they were before, it had to happen in the way they were born. Thus, through the egg. Like the monkey-human theory, only with chickens and eggs.

[dirka dirka]

*notices join date* ....invader. :p

But the Egg did come first. When chickens evolved from whatever they were before, it had to happen in the way they were born. Thus, through the egg. Like the monkey-human theory, only with chickens and eggs.

Incorrect, chickens didn't always have to be born in eggs.

[mushroom_girl]

The Egg (http://www.howstuffworks.com/question85.htm)

Read. Enjoy.

[dirka dirka]

However what they don't state is that if the chicken mutated from a animal that didn't have external eggs, that it may have adapted over time for that use, and originally didn't have to have eggs. Google it, there is no right or wrong answer. Don't bother me with semantics either. Eggs could be inside the body, kinda like humans, ya know... Yea.

[meat.eater]

"how stuff works" could be correct. but that is a theory. and its not the one i think is true.

[dirka dirka]

"how stuff works" could be correct. but that is a theory. and its not the one i think is true.

Exactly, in reality, there is support for both sides and we don't know yet. Otherwise it wouldn't be a infamous debate.

[meat.eater]

i like dirka dirka. :)

[dirka dirka]

Thanx. :)

[Hoolwath]

"how stuff works" could be correct. but that is a theory. and its not the one i think is true.


this thread is all about theories...

[ShodoWielder]

okay ppl it's called evolution, a microscopic orginisums started to get bigger and bigger, and all of them were orininally in the water. and since the chicken's wings are like fishes fins, the chichen evolved from the fish. the fisrt fish problable wasn't born out of an egg because microbs split in two to multiply. so the fish started to walk on land and a fish layed an egg that hached the originally bird. evencually a chicken was born. so the the chicken hatched out of an egg layed by a bird that wasn't quite i chicken, there for the egg came first.

[dirka dirka]

okay ppl it's called evolution, a microscopic orginisums started to get bigger and bigger, and all of them were orininally in the water. and since the chicken's wings are like fishes fins, the chichen evolved from the fish. the fisrt fish problable wasn't born out of an egg because microbs split in two to multiply. so the fish started to walk on land and a fish layed an egg that hached the originally bird. evencually a chicken was born. so the the chicken hatched out of an egg layed by a bird that wasn't quite i chicken, there for the egg came first.
That gave me a good laugh, fish walking, lol.

[ShodoWielder]

That gave me a good laugh, fish walking, lol.


no, no, a fishy birdy thingy that turns into a bird, i think

[allstarGL]

*drools* Mmmmmmm Chicken and eggs.......
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Cheat again.
LOL bet none of u thought that would ever happen ;)

[meat.eater]

okay ppl it's called evolution, a microscopic orginisums started to get bigger and bigger, and all of them were orininally in the water. and since the chicken's wings are like fishes fins, the chichen evolved from the fish. the fisrt fish problable wasn't born out of an egg because microbs split in two to multiply. so the fish started to walk on land and a fish layed an egg that hached the originally bird. evencually a chicken was born. so the the chicken hatched out of an egg layed by a bird that wasn't quite i chicken, there for the egg came first.

you moron. you absolute moron. A moron with a banner thats too big. Did you even read my last post? Did you read the definition? THE EGG BELONGS TO THE ORGANISM THAT LAYED IT NOT THE ORGANISM INSIDE IT! When a fish lays an egg, Its a fish egg, that births a chicken. God, you are a moron. Try reading. Its useful.

[Chingy]

Well it's obvious it's both. The said "Chicken" is INSIDE the said "egg" which means both were made at the same time, and the origin of the egg came from random materials that somehow got together to form an egg-like shell, and the materials trapped inside the said "egg-like shell" formed together to form a chicken like creature that came alive after a long period of mutation, growth, etc. :)

[Krome]

I believe it's a chicken. Going of the theory of evolution if the egg came first then a non-chicken species would have to of been mutated in the way that it lays chicken eggs but itself is not a chicken. It's far more likely that the non-chicken creature layed a it's own kind of egg and then the mutation occured in that egg resulting in the chicken.

I down right agree.

[Medemia]

Ok, random Christian creationism spamming.

Easily, it was the Chicken. When God created the animals, he created them as viable beings, not eggs. Imagine how many unincubated eggs there would be around if there was nothing to warm them up? So God created a chicken and rooster and they were fruitful and multiplied. I am leaning towards that He created them on the fifth day since they are birds and He created the birds and fish on the fifth day, but it does say birds of the air. So there is a slight possibility that God created chickens, penguins, ostriches and emus on the 6th day, but it's not too important. Important thing is that God created the chicken. So the chicken came first, then the egg, then my omelet.