Can grey beat gold?

[Econ201]

Hi, i am just a new player in this game (started two nights ago), so i wanna ask if grey build can ever beat a gold player with 2 cleric, 1 stone golem, 1 mud golem, 2 scout, lightingward and knight with turtle formation? I use turtle formation as well, with all the basic units (i have not get any extra units yet, i never see the red words = =).
Anyway, once he start using stone golem then double heal with his knight, i don't have a chance to kill even one of his units, i try to shot the stone golem so he lost the amror, but no....he healed him and my scount cannot move for 2 rounds and waiting to die in there...after 2 round of healing, he can stone again....so is there a way to beat that with grey set(no extra units like with or cleric)

thx

[swordking35]

yes greys can beat golds if they have skill :D

[.Vash.]

Advice, get good with barrier ward.Thats what helps me beat golds if im on my grey.

Also take out pryos, I dont need them there waste of a unit to me atleast.

[thefreezing]

Yeah you can beat golds with grey set-ups. I've beaten golds with my grey set-up.
(Golds that I have beaten as a grey) The Nothing, The X-Factor, Out of the Pound, Lord White, etc.

[da1n]

Also take out pryos, I dont need them there waste of a unit to me atleast.

Non-dsm'd pyros are unstoppable! :p

[ent__89]

I would deffinatly suggest having an enchantress(if you already don), it can work wonders in gold games....especially against that pesky endgame dragon.....as for the pyro, and enchantress is stronger and faster, but has to be up close and pyro doesnt....although i still choose the assassin....just because of the recovery time and attack power.....and as said above a barier ward is a good unit to include in most grey turtles....

[Godmic18]

I would deffinatly suggest having an enchantress(if you already don), it can work wonders in gold games....especially against that pesky endgame dragon.....as for the pyro, and enchantress is stronger and faster, but has to be up close and pyro doesnt....although i still choose the assassin....just because of the recovery time and attack power.....and as said above a barier ward is a good unit to include in most grey turtles....

Chanties rule. I've blown away many players with the aid of my chanty. I suggest luring units to get trapped by the chanty and not attacking with her. Otherwise, she will be made rather useless.

[BlackSyphon]

keep your cleric, a scout, atleast a knight, bw, and chanty alive at all times.

Double clerics works extremly well in my opinion.

du

[killer50078]

well these are SOME options, but i suggest the old saying, if you cant beatem, joinem

[Econ201]

Maybe i should specify what i use instead of what he uses.
I use one of the normal turtle formation with 3 knights, LW, BW, assassin, chante, cleric, witch, scout.
As the above set up, i already give up the pyro, after about 10 games of using it, i found it completely useless in it's damge. Yes, if you hit 4 char with its fire, it hits (11to15)*4 damge, but they also have cleric healing 10*12 per 3 turns as you may have to move to get a perfect shot, your pyro and his cleric will have the same cool down. What's more? cleric can stay in the back and your pyro have to move up front which brings it to die even faster than cleric.

I agree on chante rules, but it doesn't win the game for you. at most you can paralize 3-4 units (which will not happen if you meet someone good(1300 rank above)) but what's more? you cannot kill it because they are +30 amror from stone and 2 healer healing per 3 turns. That will bring to the problem of you have to attack the stone gloem, and when i do that, he heal, and stone and kill my scout.

I wrote the last message because i was really upset on losing to another guy, not on skill but on units. So does it means that i have to pay 5$ per month to play this game or i will lose to the one who pay no matter what? I hope not.

Thx

[Hoolwath]

Hi, i am just a new player in this game (started two nights ago), so i wanna ask if grey build can ever beat a gold player with 2 cleric, 1 stone golem, 1 mud golem, 2 scout, lightingward and knight with turtle formation? I use turtle formation as well, with all the basic units (i have not get any extra units yet, i never see the red words = =).
Anyway, once he start using stone golem then double heal with his knight, i don't have a chance to kill even one of his units, i try to shot the stone golem so he lost the amror, but no....he healed him and my scount cannot move for 2 rounds and waiting to die in there...after 2 round of healing, he can stone again....so is there a way to beat that with grey set(no extra units like with or cleric)

thx


the only way to beat skilled golds ....... enchantress (thats the way i beat them - i wont name them ..... oh maybe just 1 - razor2007? - banff gold)

[Medemia]

Ok, as probably the player that has beaten the most golds with grey units outside of _bob_, the greatest gold jumper the world has ever seen, let me say this: There are some golds who just can't be beat by greys without the most tremendous luck ever. But like I said before, I've beaten tons of golds, even with the default setting. I think how you attack that setup is to have a ton of patience and draw him in. The stoned muddie and the scouts are your biggest enemies. Yeah, the stoned knights are hard, but they are easy to overcome with Chanty. She is the key. If you can get rid of the ranged people, then you have a great chance of winning. So the key is patience, getting rid of ranged characters, and keeping the chanty alive.

The last step is to know your line of sight with the scout. Early in the game, set up your pieces to where they can protect your scout as he shoots the stoney from a distance it will take the enemy more than 2 rounds to kill him. This is especially good when everyone is on your side.

[Godmic18]

Ok, as probably the player that has beaten the most golds with grey units outside of _bob_, the greatest gold jumper the world has ever seen,

Talk to Wnoemp on the Legends server. Or sexy fish. Or Jotun. :cool:
Every player, whether gold or not can be beaten by grey units. Especially on the Legends server where greys have dual frost formations and some strange bombs.

[Medemia]

Talk to Wnoemp on the Legends server. Or sexy fish. Or Jotun. :cool:
Every player, whether gold or not can be beaten by grey units. Especially on the Legends server where greys have dual frost formations and some strange bombs.

I believe I did qualify my statement: With grey units. Legends greys are golds who haven't paid. And still, _bob_ is still the greatest goldjumper on Legends too.

[Godmic18]

lol I can agree with you there. But they are still greys and are extremely good even without their frosts and furgys. I give bob credit, though, because I always see the guy.

[Dove]

If only I was at home =P. I could post some screenies of me beating golds. The double Scout coupled with stony and double Cleric would be difficult, but in this case, if he brings his few attacking units (maximum of 7 at this point, 4 stoned) towards you, work on your LOS and break Stone focus. Odds are if he's rushing with his stoned units and loses focus he's toast.

If he rushes with un-stoned units kill those first. Then he'll be weak and you'll just use the Scout to take out either Cleric, Clerics, or stone focus, then haul over them.

Chanties work wonders too. It can be done, just requires skill to take on those stones.

[Kyir]

the only way to beat skilled golds ....... enchantress (thats the way i beat them - i wont name them ..... oh maybe just 1 - razor2007? - banff gold)

like how you used it to beat me right? :rolleyes: , anyway, payng for a gold isnt the only way to beat us, ive been beaten by greys, its not like im invinse able, though iam pretty close[/egomaniac]

[Jeffery]

I can name a half dozen members who even as greys can tear most golds up,

Greys can beat golds. But it takes a very skilled grey against an ok gold usually, although sometimes that 90% blocking for the pyro can kill a golds chances.

[zzzaacckk]

the grey's bes tool for beating golds are its chanty and BW. Advice: dont lose your scout.

[Machin Shin]

Quite simply, it depends on the grey, and it depends on the gold.

[Hoolwath]

like how you used it to beat me right? :rolleyes: , anyway, payng for a gold isnt the only way to beat us, ive been beaten by greys, its not like im invinse able, though iam pretty close[/egomaniac]

actulally i ve lost it in that game ... opposite turtle gold vs. grey .. :rolleyes: lets see how would u do gold vs. gold - anytime i catch u on , but i warn u -it will be my 8th game so be affraid . I m gettin betta and betta [/realegomaniac]

[BlackSyphon]

Ok, as probably the player that has beaten the most golds with grey units outside of _bob_, the greatest gold jumper the world has ever seen, let me say this: There are some golds who just can't be beat by greys without the most tremendous luck ever. But like I said before, I've beaten tons of golds, even with the default setting.

There is some pride in there :) Welcome back bro :)

Scout, cleric, chanty...come on guys...you DO need a knight...they are atleast the 3rd best unit for a grey (excluding cleric as dmg unit).

du

[Bottle]

No grey can beat a gold with a furgon that knows what he's doing.

Now, onto other scenarios:

If you're facing a gold rush (pretty common nowadays), you (as a grey) have an advantage over gold turtles; a solid knight wall in defense. Don't lose that knight wall. The gold will often come to you, and try to kill your knights and chanty. Keep yourt chanty, and sacrifice knights if you have to in order to kill the muddy, scouts, and wisp/ambusher if they have them. Then use your chanty to finish off the knights, being careful to watch out for the dragon. Remember, the dragon does big damage but only every 3 turns; it's not your biggest threat unless it's going after your cleric/chanty. Don't waste 5 turns killing it, while your opponent spend those same 5 turns killing vital units like your chanty, cleric and scout. Most gold rushers aren't that great, and will include some pyros and DSM. Don't panic at the damage they do; take them out as you would against a grey, ie. lure them in, hit them with a knight, heal the damage, hit them again and retreat the knight. Remember to keep your chanty to deal with the second wave of melee attackers that a rush normally has.

Vs. a turtle that doesn't know what it's doing/doesn't have a furgon; same principle. Take out the ranged attackers and finish off with the chanty. Attacking with your knights is the priority here; the thing a turtle hates the most is 3 knights in its face, with a scout hovering bvehind to break frost focus if they freeze. Don't worry about breaking stone focus unless you have the chance to with a knight. If you use the scout, dragon burns scout, scout shoots scout, dead grey scout, gold restones, no advantage gained. Keep your scout back to either break frost focus or to finish off the cleric. If you can get the cleric, do so. Witches are good for this, as most gold turts don't have a LW. Wait until the dragon attacks, move your witch up, and barrier it. The gold then has to worry about leaving a unit 4 spaces in front of the cleric, which inevitably leaves it in range of your LW with no chance to retreat... and of course, NEVER DEFEND AGAINST A TURTLE. A stoned dragon will take a minimum of 7 hits to kill. In that time, your chanty, cleric, scout, and witches will all be dead. If you feel confident, draw the gold to you and THEN break stone focus, leaving him with all his damage units unstoned and next to your knights... but this is still a risky tactic. You may still lose your scout and the gold can always retreat.

But as I said at the start, no matter how good a grey you are, no matter how much luck you get, no matter how good your formation, YOU WILL NOT BEAT A GOLD TURTLE WITH A FURGON THAT IS USED CORRECTLY.

[ScoutBlade]

We have a whole clan of these amazing greys. Its called ~Gold Jumpers~

[Godmic18]

We have a whole clan of these amazing greys. Its called ~Gold Jumpers~

I miss Grey Nation.

[emerald slasher]

lol i remeber that it was pretty fun while it lasted 8)

[Ape King]

gold slayers :cool:

[Lonely Tylenol]

The highest ranked Gold I ever beat as a Grey was PUNISHER. As of now, he's still the highest-ranked person I've beaten (right now he's #13 on Great Lakes), although I have beaten three or four other Golds on the top 100. Grey vs. Gold fights are always in FAVOR of the Gold, due to the extra units, but really, skill is the only driving factor in who wins (aside from the occasional lucky player).

[Hatchet Warrior]

To make bottles post a little smaller, it says if you are a good grey you can almost kick any normal leveled golds @ss :cool:

[roody poo]

Beaten multiple golds with the grey default setup. (the only setup I use as a grey these days). Fact is....playing a serious game I have never been beaten by a grey as my gold and I am sure there are other golds that like Med said, can't be beaten without the most tremendous of luck. Beating a gold can happen as a grey, and when you do it as the grey it just really feels fun.

[monkus]

Bottle, I will have to disagree with you a little bit. Furgon is extremely potent against grays, however, even in the best of hands it isn't unstoppable. Recently I played an excellent gray rusher, who used his two pyros and dmw simply to clear out shrubs so I couldn't stop his units. It was like trying to play without a furgon, it was incredibly hard. In the end, I did manage to win, but it was close enough that I won't take a gray for granted for awhile.

Meanwhile, against a gold rush, it is adviseable to run a gray turtle; the power is very nice to have. If you somehow know it in advance that you're playing against a gold turtle, there are really two approaches to take. You can either play fully aggressive, as bottle noted, or you can play cautious aggressive, where you slowly move in, and take out stonie with scout when you want to attack completely. A chanty is nice to have in the latter, because it means your opponent can't turn around and attack you back.

Golds aren't unbeatable. It just takes a bit of skill.

[Relentless.]

I have beaten golds when I play as a grey.

[Bottle]

Bottle, I will have to disagree with you a little bit. Furgon is extremely potent against grays, however, even in the best of hands it isn't unstoppable. Recently I played an excellent gray rusher, who used his two pyros and dmw simply to clear out shrubs so I couldn't stop his units. It was like trying to play without a furgon, it was incredibly hard. In the end, I did manage to win, but it was close enough that I won't take a gray for granted for awhile.
In order for that to happen, the grey would need same side, pyros and DMW out of LW/dragon range initially, and scout in a safe position.

I notice that you said you won anyway. That just goes to show that no matter how good the grey is, no matter how favourable the formation, even the best grey will not beat a gold who knows how to play the game.

How about we go to rev, I show you my formation beforehand, and you set up a perfect anti as a grey. I bet I would still beat you.

[Godmic18]

Grey furgons= :cool:

[Bottle]

But then, we aren't at legends, now are we. :cool:

[Godmic18]

But then, we aren't at legends, now are we. :cool:

Nope. But my grey on banff has a furgon. :cool:

[Bottle]

So did mine, when it downgraded from gold to grey. :cool:

[묊喀灁랂瀚]

Nope. But my grey on banff has a furgon. :cool:
sure if u r degolded...

[Godmic18]

sure if u r degolded...

I prefer the term, Regreyified.

[abyaly]

Platinum is still the best. :)

[Popa Midnight]

Greys can beat golds all they need is experience and a good setup.Greys don't need to be face to face with a golds setup and have their witches and pyros up front.I've beaten many good golds by fighting on opposite sides.It all depends on strategy and some luck.A grey can beat any gold unless it's Warcow or crx lol :D I've tried .

[Godmic18]

Greys can beat golds all they need is experience and a good setup.Greys don't need to be face to face with a golds setup and have their witches and pyros up front.I've beaten many good golds by fighting on opposite sides.It all depends on strategy and some luck.A grey can beat any gold unless it's Warcow or crx lol :D I've tried .

Exactly! I just greyified a few golds in the past few days. Always fun to do. Of course they were all close games because one was 1400+ and another tried a bomb on me. Chantys rule!

[Bottle]

It's often going to come down to formation (as it always does in this game now), as bombs are much easier to beat than turtles with a grey. But I maintain that a good gold simply will never lose to a grey that he knows that he's going to be playing.

[Terps rock]

or u can be grey like snell and have 2 dragons and a dsm that his 39's he beat me

[Bottle]

So kill the DSM and freeze his two dragons... not rocket science. The DSM can only attack every 3 turns after all...

[MANSLAUGHTER1]

Ya I played snell today and I crushed him. the 2 dragons make him have not a lot of units.

[ent__89]

The only way a grey has ANY chance against a very experienced gold turtler, with a furgy of course, is if the gold doesnt have a frosty...which is unlikely....but if they dont have one you should stand a fighting chance as long as you know your LOS, also a mage bomb might work...although it may need some sort of chanty back-row defence of back up....if only i had the drops to find out..... :(

[monkus]

I beat a decent gold turtler, who had a frosty ANd furgon, with the noob setup. It's rather easy, actually...

First, I rushed up my witch and knights, so he had to retreat and shrub up. I brought in both pyros, and I started using LOS and pyros to take shots at furgon, frosty (which he moved up to try and paralyze something). Finally, he moved his scouts up, and I burned through the shrubs, took out stone focus with LOS, then killed his 4 attack units (muddy, 2 scouts, dragon) with knights, assassin, witch, and pyros.

There are numerous ways to beat turtlers. You can try to use a brute force attack (send everything in, clear the way of shrubs, and kill everything), or a specialized focus attack (LOS, planned witch burn, specifically aimed pyro assaults) followed by a mop up crew (knights and assassin). Either way, you can't send one unit at a time, and you can't give them time to fortify. Also, don't just try to kill stoned units one at a time, it's very difficult to do. Kill the furgon, and you can move freely. Kill frosty, and none of your units can be stopped. Kill cleric, and all damage is permanent. Break stone focus, and it's just like fighting 4 units.

[Bottle]

Kill the furgon, and you can move freely. Kill frosty, and none of your units can be stopped. Kill cleric, and all damage is permanent. Break stone focus, and it's just like fighting 4 units.
And while you're doing all that, you'll be very lucky to still have many units left... and that's if the gold allows you to kill those critical units. I doubt a gold worth his salt would.

In any case, the gold in question wasn't decent. He must have defended. Against the default setup, which is virtually defenceless, yet hard to defend against. :rolleyes:

[regismoc5]

wrwerwerwwewerwrqqyo!qwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwAnd while you're doing all that, you'll be very lucky to still have many units left... and that's if the gold allows you to kill those critical units. I doubt a gold worth his salt would.

In any case, the gold in question wasn't decent. He must have defended. Against the default setup, which is virtually defenceless, yet hard to defend against. :rolleyes:
xxxhello im bot and your black and i hate you :bad:

[monkus]

I agree with you on one point bottle. When turtles attack the default setup, I tend to lose (as the default). However, sometimes, against unsuspecting golds, you can start the offense quickly and force them to defend. Obviously I'm not expecting to beat someone of your level, Bottle, with the standard setup :p

[searchman]

Talk to Wnoemp on the Legends server. Or sexy fish. Or Jotun. :cool:
Every player, whether gold or not can be beaten by grey units. Especially on the Legends server where greys have dual frost formations and some strange bombs.

Obly Sexy Fish (now gold) Jotun (Wayf's grey) and Wno (awsome player)? What about me? Maybe4!!! (I've beaten Sexy fish as a grey)