View Full Version : Grey Tag Team Round 3 Matchups
theburning
04-09-2005, 07:40 PM
Okay, so we're clearly going with option #2.
I was going to get numbers from each team, but realized that would take forever. So I got Realist to give me numbers in random orders and applied those to the teams I had left.
Interestingly enough, the team who is going to be playing the eliminated team is Rusty Sheriffs Badges. The interesting part is that the eliminated team coming back for this round is Tassles!
Please try to get this round finished ASAP. I really don't want to have to see it carry on the way the last one did! <- That is aimed moreso towards Rusty Sherffs Badges and Tassles!
Here are the matches for this round.
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Rev Tag Team
1. Bottle
2. FryLock
3. Wolfman
VS
Weight Watchers
1. Deathscythe Hell
2. Squidiot
3. Slim Fast
Winner: Rev Tag Team
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Out of nowhere
1. rescorlian
2. codeman1
3. haywood jablome
VS
Burning with Hate and Love
1. Catalyst
2. theburning
3. Realist
Winner:
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Rusty Sheriffs Badges
1. draquist
2. say what?
3. darque
VS
Tassles!
1. Rogue_Wolf
2. Mithrandir (Playing on randomchaos' gold)
3. Zzzaacckk
Winner:
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 07:44 PM
No dang way. That's quite odd.
theburning
04-09-2005, 07:45 PM
I know! I wasn't pleased with Realist when he picked those numbers.
So forward any complains to Realist and quantum randomness.
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 09:00 PM
So do we get anything if we win, besides some of our dignity back?
emerald slasher
04-09-2005, 09:09 PM
i wonder how rusty sherrif badges will like this...
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 09:10 PM
I think it's bad luck for them. I think we'll give them a tougher draw then most.
emerald slasher
04-09-2005, 09:12 PM
in my opinion rev tag team has that one (no offense weight watchers)..though burning and put of nowhere will be quite a match
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 09:14 PM
I think the smart money is on Rev Tag and the mod team. I think the more difficult question is whether or not the sherriff badges will join them in the finals. :p
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 09:55 PM
I hate to double post but I think theburning missed my question.
TB, do we get anything if we win, besides some of our dignity back?
theburning
04-09-2005, 09:56 PM
I'm not sure. Do you think you should?
Say What?
04-09-2005, 09:57 PM
You are mos def right. This is rather dumb. Oh well. Who picked the numbers? This is too close to be random.
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 09:57 PM
Probably not, we did lose after all. :bigsmile:
I was just wondering because that was an aspect that was never clarified. One possibility was like a few drops in rev.
Edit: Bwa ha ha Say what! I look forward to the chance for redemption. :cool:
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:02 PM
Of course you guys should get nothing. You were knocked out. Not trying to be mean or anything...but yea.
Edit: For Mith...I think this is quite unfair. A re-draw should be in order. I think that no other team would want to play a team they just knocked out...again. I will wait to see what my team mates think.
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:04 PM
I don't think it's mean, I said it first. :cool:
Realist
04-09-2005, 10:05 PM
There needs to be some incentive for them to try to win. Maybe a few grey drops?
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:06 PM
That's why I suggested the drop thing a while ago. But I don't think incentive will be a particular issue for this team so I don't think it matters much.
Moose
04-09-2005, 10:06 PM
You get the knowledge of knowing you exist, hows that for a prize.
Geeky_Bastard
04-09-2005, 10:06 PM
umm burning... i dont know if you noticed and/or solved it but at the end of this round u shall have 3 teams left.... same problem as last time lol
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:08 PM
3 person round robin isn't a problem. And if we beat the sherriff badges there will only be two teams left.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:09 PM
You are mos def right. This is rather dumb. Oh well. Who picked the numbers? This is too close to be random.
Realist did!
I had emailed myself prior to this even thinking I'd take numbers from each team captain...but he convinced me not to due to how long that would take.
He therefore gave me the numbers 1 through 10 in random order.
That's how it occured.
Trust me, if I had it my way I'd have never paired up two inactive teams together again by choice.
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:10 PM
I still think that there should be a re-draw.
*Tries not to be such a pain in the ass*
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:12 PM
I still think that there should be a re-draw.
*Tries not to be such a pain in the ass*
You're not trying hard enough then!
It's not my fault that luck did this! And in all honesty, wouldn't you rather play them than Rev Tag Team etc?
You got lucky! So please cut the crying.
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:13 PM
Honestly...no. I would rather play Rev Tag team. :P
But once again...I cannot officially speak for RSB because I have not seen Draq or Darq to ask them.
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:13 PM
I'll admit that it does seem that maybe one aspect of it should be redrawed. It would seem awfully unfair for the sherriff badges to beat a team fair and square and then have to play them again and lose. Not very fair and not very interesting. This is a flaw in my plan I wasn't expecting, someone good at math do the odds for me.
I'm okay with whatever you decide TB, I know this has been a headache for you. I wouldn't oppose a change though, it does seem kind of unfair for the sherriff badges to me.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:18 PM
The odd of it were very low, about 4%
You guys clearly must have know this was possible? If Darque and Draquist didn't want such a thing to be possible they should have voted for another option.
I'm not very satisfied with how it turned out either - but I can't be biased and change the results just because they aren't very fun !
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:19 PM
I'm not very satisfied with how it turned out either - but I can't be biased and change the results just because they aren't very fun !
They aren't very fair either...lol.
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:20 PM
This was my dang idea and I didn't think of it, I can't fault the D brothers for not thinking of it either.
This was an unspecified situation, like you said 4%. I don't think it would be bias to intervene.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:22 PM
I guess I can give their team a bye if everyone agrees to it!
It's not fair to redraw.
Geeky_Bastard
04-09-2005, 10:23 PM
meh il just shuttup now, ill just watch and see who rev tag team beats to win it =P
Moose
04-09-2005, 10:24 PM
Thats why organizing tournies isn't worth the hassle, so much bs goes through everything and no one is ever satisfied ;)
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:25 PM
I'm not a big fan of the idea of getting a bye into the final round but this is a particular circumstance. They did beat us before. As much as I would like a shot at redemption, if Rogue_Wolf and zzzaacckk think that's fair I'll go along with it.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:25 PM
I could be wrong, but should it not be up to everyone left in the tournament?
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:27 PM
That's your call there.
Mithrandir
04-09-2005, 10:28 PM
Yeah, I'm assuming you don't want to delay the tournament further with yet another poll. I sure couldn't blame you for wanting it to just move on.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:32 PM
I just don't like the idea of giving a bye into the finals.
Especially to a team who was nearly disqualified due to inactivity.
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:34 PM
< Could not help spring break. Now I will be on monday - wendsday from 2-4pm EST.
Realist
04-09-2005, 10:35 PM
As far as I see this, a redraw of the other four teams against Rusty Sheriffs Badges team would be fair if both teams accepted it. It would mean that 1) there would be no need to fight again 2) RSB would still have to have a match 3) nothing else would have to change in terms of the other teams.
monkus
04-09-2005, 10:36 PM
I wouldn't really call it random, I mean, he must have used some system. For awhile I thought there was no way to ever generate TRUE random numbers. However, there is that quote:
bean: Try seeding the RNG with the current system time, that should help somewhat
kram: You do know that the numbers generated are still pseudo-random, and not true RNs. In fact there is no way to generate true random numbers.
bean: Obviously you've never had your wife balance the checkbook.
Realist
04-09-2005, 10:38 PM
I wouldn't really call it random, I mean, he must have used some system. For awhile I thought there was no way to ever generate TRUE random numbers. However, there is that quote:
bean: Try seeding the RNG with the current system time, that should help somewhat
kram: You do know that the numbers generated are still pseudo-random, and not true RNs. In fact there is no way to generate true random numbers.
bean: Obviously you've never had your wife balance the checkbook.
According to the majority of physicists, quantum randomness IS actually random (i.e, the universe is not deterministic). The numbers I chose are based on quantum randomness.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:41 PM
I wouldn't really call it random, I mean, he must have used some system. For awhile I thought there was no way to ever generate TRUE random numbers. However, there is that quote:
What would you call it then?
Here is what occured:
- I sent myself an email containing the following:
3=5
2=1
4 - Eliminated
Eliminated # = 7
The idea was going to be to get each team captain from the remaining team to pick a number between 1 and 5 and then to get each team captain from the eliminated teams to pick a number between 6 and 10.
Then! Realist came on...and I asked him to put the numbers 1 through 10 in random order. So he did! The number 7 was given last - which was Tassles! team position in the list....however, he hadn't seen this list I had created and therefore had no idea of which team he was picking.
I just got really tired somewhere in the middle of writing this post. Am I making sense?
Can one tournament go by without people accusing things of being too unlikely? Or is that simply not possible when the forums are filled with children?
Geeky_Bastard
04-09-2005, 10:42 PM
i would have been extremely satisfied if i had gotten to play at least once lol.
dam i said id shut up
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:45 PM
Can one tournament go by without people accusing things of being too unlikely? Or is that simply not possible when the forums are filled with children?
I do not appreciate that remark. I guess you are implying that I should not have an opinion. Okay then.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:47 PM
I do not appreciate that remark. I guess you are implying that I should not have an opinion. Okay then.
It wasn't aimed at anyone specifically?
In fact, it had more to do with previous stuff.
Actually, it probably had the most to do with me being exceptionally tired and a bit annoyed at the difficulties I've encountered with this tournament.
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:48 PM
Pats TB on the back....get some much needed sleep. This can be resolved l8r.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:49 PM
Sorry if it appeared I was trying to attack you directly, I didn't mean to come across that way.
theburning
04-09-2005, 10:50 PM
As far as I see this, a redraw of the other four teams against Rusty Sheriffs Badges team would be fair if both teams accepted it. It would mean that 1) there would be no need to fight again 2) RSB would still have to have a match 3) nothing else would have to change in terms of the other teams.
What do people think of this idea?
I think it's a very good idea.
Say What?
04-09-2005, 10:51 PM
Once again...I can't speak on behalf of the rest of RSB...but as for me...I don't mind it.
343 HeadHunter
04-09-2005, 11:25 PM
Maybe we should just call spots and get 3 more random people to play against RSB? and if that's the case I call a spot :)
Rescorlian
04-10-2005, 01:39 AM
Can one tournament go by without people accusing things of being too unlikely? Or is that simply not possible when the forums are filled with children?
That's nice, you do like to give out low blow's whenever possible don't ya?
Well what can I say about this? I imagine everyone will see my avatar and expect my post to be something along the lines of..
This is BS, why in the hell are we still allowing this kinda crap to happen?
Well sorry to disapoint, but I'm gonna keep it short. A solution other than this needs to be found. RSB needs a different opponent. I will also say this is gonna be my last tourny for a while *theburning jumps with joy*
*thinks about it for a second, realises that zzzaaaccckkkss's tourny is already finished*
zzzaacckk
04-10-2005, 06:53 AM
my tourney? dang that was a long time ago and only on gl... good times... Well goot luck again RSB this is waaaaaaaaaaay to wierd.
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 07:04 AM
I think Realist's idea sounds fair.
theburning
04-10-2005, 10:12 AM
That's nice, you do like to give out low blow's whenever possible don't ya?
Well what can I say about this? I imagine everyone will see my avatar and expect my post to be something along the lines of..
This is BS, why in the hell are we still allowing this kinda crap to happen?
Well sorry to disapoint, but I'm gonna keep it short. A solution other than this needs to be found. RSB needs a different opponent. I will also say this is gonna be my last tourny for a while *theburning jumps with joy*
*thinks about it for a second, realises that zzzaaaccckkkss's tourny is already finished*
Maybe for a change you should quit taking things so personally. If you read my posts further I clearly state that it was directed at no one specifcally and more towards the 'situation'. I apologized twice for it and I think it was pretty obvious I didn't mean it literally.
In any case! If someone did take the comment personally, I apologize. I was just being tired and cranky as usual. :)
Anyways, isn't finding another opponent technically not very fair? We did it randomly and these were the results we got.
I'm sure if it were my team people wouldn't be happy if I wanted a new opponent.
theburning
04-10-2005, 10:13 AM
I think Realist's idea sounds fair.
I'm perfectly fine with it too!
As long as everyone else agrees to it.
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 11:54 AM
Rev Tag Team
1. Bottle
2. FryLock
3. Wolfman
VS
Weight Watchers
1. Deathscythe Hell
2. Squidiot
3. Slim Fast
Hey Weight Watchers, on behalf of Rev Tag Team, wolf wish you luck n skilz.
We are ready.
Godspeed.
Go Bot Go! :*diablo:
Go Fry Go! :*dwarf:
Go Wolf Go! :*orc:
Go Rev Tag! :tease:
wolfy
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 11:55 AM
I don't mind saying I'm glad Rev Tag Team got a fairly easy round (compared to the other teams they could have gotten) for once.
343 HeadHunter
04-10-2005, 12:04 PM
well it appears everyone thinks a new team is the best solution....SOOOO! who's it gonna be?
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 12:08 PM
I don't mind saying I'm glad Rev Tag Team got a fairly easy round (compared to the other teams they could have gotten) for once.
are the weight watchers easy? how come i donno about that?
wolfy
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 12:10 PM
Notice the parentheses. I think they're a great team, I just think the other teams would be harder. But what do I know. :)
theburning
04-10-2005, 12:11 PM
I don't mind saying I'm glad Rev Tag Team got a fairly easy round (compared to the other teams they could have gotten) for once.
Their team last round wasn't the most difficult either!
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 12:12 PM
It wasn't? Maybe I'm thinking of their first round. *inserts large foot into mouth*
Ignore me, I'm dumb. :cool:
theburning
04-10-2005, 12:13 PM
It wasn't? Maybe I'm thinking of their first round. *inserts large foot into mouth*
Ignore me, I'm dumb. :cool:
The team I was paired up with last round was much more difficult.
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 12:14 PM
Their team last round wasn't the most difficult either!
lol....
cavy.... TB is saying something bad about your tag team.
i think she mean u guys sux.... hehehe
go get her cavy!
wolfy
theburning
04-10-2005, 12:16 PM
lol....
cavy.... TB is saying something bad about your tag team.
i think she mean u guys sux.... hehehe
go get her cavy!
wolfy
Cavour knows I love him. :)
But I'm sure he knows that blazed, amaroth and shiny flors all have a reputation as being 3 truly amazing greys!
ryan56
04-10-2005, 12:36 PM
ok first off...screw all u guys....2nd off cuathon and carlos are takin death and squids place. and 3rd, good luck to u guys too wolfy.
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 12:41 PM
ok first off...screw all u guys....2nd off cuathon and carlos are takin death and squids place. and 3rd, good luck to u guys too wolfy.
i am lost... so who is playing as the weight watchers?
wolfy
ryan56
04-10-2005, 12:45 PM
1. Cuathon
2. Carlos22
3. Slim Fast
tho i havent talked to cuathon lately. i might have to find somone for him...but i can do that quickly
theburning
04-10-2005, 12:46 PM
ok first off...screw all u guys....2nd off cuathon and carlos are takin death and squids place. and 3rd, good luck to u guys too wolfy.
You can't just sub for your entire team like this unless you give me good reason.
343 HeadHunter
04-10-2005, 01:03 PM
you let them do it against our team last round...and ryan56 if you need another sub i'll do it :)
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 01:03 PM
You can't just sub for your entire team like this unless you give me good reason.
so what now TB?
we Rev Tag Team play the guys ryan mentioned or what?
n ryan... i assume u r slim fast... am i right?
wolfy
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 01:05 PM
Just when I thought the controversy might be over for a while...
theburning
04-10-2005, 01:13 PM
you let them do it against our team last round...and ryan56 if you need another sub i'll do it :)
Yeah, subbing once per tournament is ok.
But come on? Are there even any original members in that team?
I need a semi-good reason if you want to sub like this.
A reason of 'these players are better' isn't good enough.
ryan56
04-10-2005, 01:19 PM
yes i am slim fast. and the reason isnt these guys are better.. the reason is death doesnt play anymore and squid...i cant rely on him whenver he starts a game he leaves and says he needs to go. im sry im makin this hard.
Rescorlian
04-10-2005, 01:31 PM
Maybe for a change you should quit taking things so personally. If you read my posts further I clearly state that it was directed at no one specifcally and more towards the 'situation'. I apologized twice for it and I think it was pretty obvious I didn't mean it literally.
In any case! If someone did take the comment personally, I apologize. I was just being tired and cranky as usual. :)
Anyways, isn't finding another opponent technically not very fair? We did it randomly and these were the results we got.
I'm sure if it were my team people wouldn't be happy if I wanted a new opponent.
Oh, my bad. I'll agree I have a bad habit for taking things personally as you said. Well, ya, I suppose the hypocricy would be... large were I to argue the way I was.
FryLock
04-10-2005, 01:39 PM
We're satisfied with our draw. Weight Watchers seem to be, too. If anyone else wants redraw, just mix up the 4 other teams.
SW, you need to stop being such a whiner. You already beat them, are you afraid you can't do it again?
Whoever winds up subbing in for weight watchers, get ahold of Bottle. Carlos22, I'm ready for you.
Darque
04-10-2005, 01:56 PM
...This is ridiculous..we were clearly ahead and basically they get another shot at us. Noone on my team got a chance to vote, and im sure theres didnt either since neither of us had won yet. ANd only winning teams could vote. If thats who we have to play, fine..im confident in my team and dont want to be complaining(although i know I am)..erm..anyhow..resend the PMs.
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 02:51 PM
Whoever winds up subbing in for weight watchers, get ahold of Bottle. Carlos22, I'm ready for you.
ryan.... u r mine!
wolfy
theburning
04-10-2005, 03:01 PM
...This is ridiculous..we were clearly ahead and basically they get another shot at us. Noone on my team got a chance to vote, and im sure theres didnt either since neither of us had won yet. ANd only winning teams could vote. If thats who we have to play, fine..im confident in my team and dont want to be complaining(although i know I am)..erm..anyhow..resend the PMs.
You had a chance to vote. Say What? voted and I took his opinion into account.
In truth, even if both you and Draquist vote against option 2 it's 1) too late and 2) doesn't matter because option 2 would still have more votes.
I don't like how it turned out either...it seems incredibly annoying! However, if people really want I'm open to either of the 2 following options:
1 - Redraw from the remaining 4 teams (In other words, Tassles! would only have a 1/4 chance in getting RSB again.)
2 - Randomly pick a new team from the 4 eliminated teams remaining.
theburning
04-10-2005, 03:03 PM
yes i am slim fast. and the reason isnt these guys are better.. the reason is death doesnt play anymore and squid...i cant rely on him whenver he starts a game he leaves and says he needs to go. im sry im makin this hard.
This is a tough situation. I'm going to go ahead and let you sub for them this time, but this is the end of the subbing for your team, ok?
I think if I ever decide to run another TTT (yeah right!) I'll have my own list of substitutes to make things a little more fair and probably discourage people from making teams with others they can't entirely rely on.
FryLock
04-10-2005, 03:06 PM
Well, don't worry about letting them sub, because their team won't make it past us. Get to work, Botts!
theburning
04-10-2005, 03:15 PM
Well, don't worry about letting them sub, because their team won't make it past us. Get to work, Botts!
I was thinking the same!
But technically they do have a chance. If one of you guys were to get disconnected and they refused to let a rematch occur!
Cheap...but I've seen worse before.
In any case! Please just beat them so I don't have to worry about another sub disaster occuring in the finals. :)
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 03:18 PM
Well, don't worry about letting them sub, because their team won't make it past us. Get to work, Botts!
who is worried here???
maybe bot... hehehe
bot... wake up n get to work!
wolfy
****guys..(bot, fry).. how come i hv a feeling i will not be needed in this round???
ryan56
04-10-2005, 03:20 PM
wow im glad to see people have faith in us...im sick of all this..jus cause the people were playin are more known and are supposedly better..there suppose to win..y dont u guys shut up and jus play..who cares who wins
burning...so u r sayin the only way we r gonna win is a dc? is this how the mods should be...have favorites and lean towards one side?
Tag Captain
04-10-2005, 03:31 PM
OK, here's a few things I have to say:
1. I wish people would stop whining about the way tournies are run, especially when the system they voted gets in and they still don't like it;
2. As Captain of Rev Tag Team, I'm quite happy for ryan to sub those players in... it will still be a good set of games;
3. Wolfy, how come I'm a devil and you two end up with fighter smilies;
4. Good luck to all teams involved. Shall I PM cuathon then?
FryLock
04-10-2005, 03:54 PM
ryan, the reason people are rooting against your team is that you are poor sports, you rarely show up on time to play, and you make bitchy posts. Now get your team together so we can kick your butts.
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 04:04 PM
Wolfy, how come I'm a devil and you two end up with fighter smilies?
Bot... i donno really.. i was playing with the smilies n though as our captain of the team... giving u a devil look will sure intimidate our opponents; to scare the shit outta them.... hehehe... btw.. don u like to be the devil...:P
wolfy
Tag Captain
04-10-2005, 04:09 PM
I'm still waiting for confirmation that I'm playing Cuathon.
Also, please remember to forward any PMs to Tag Captain, not Bottle.
theburning
04-10-2005, 04:16 PM
As long as you guys are okay with the subbing I'll allow it!
I think perhaps in the future though I shouldn't be so lenient with subs. What do you think?
Tag Captain
04-10-2005, 04:18 PM
It depends whether the other team are happy with the subs, in my opinion.
(Which, of course, Realist is going to disagree with in a minute. :D)
theburning
04-10-2005, 04:19 PM
It depends whether the other team are happy with the subs, in my opinion.
(Which, of course, Realist is going to disagree with in a minute. :D)
Wow! Right before reading those post Realist said the following on MSN:
xyxaxyz says:
1. I wish people would stop whining about the way tournies are run, especially when the system they voted gets in and they still don't like it;
xyxaxyz says:
nice post by bot!
ryan56
04-10-2005, 04:38 PM
ok i dont think im a poor sport. im sry i cant play my games when u guys feel like it. And u guys bitch about this thing all the time. u bitch about not playin when u want to. u bitch when u lose when u think it luck. u guys are jus so stuck up u guys cant realize that it happens to everyone and u should jus stop bitchin and forget bout it.
ryan56
04-10-2005, 04:39 PM
sry bout the double post..but tag captain pm cuathon and c if he replies. i havetnt talked to him in a while
Wolfman
04-10-2005, 05:05 PM
ok i dont think im a poor sport. im sry i cant play my games when u guys feel like it. And u guys bitch about this thing all the time. u bitch about not playin when u want to. u bitch when u lose when u think it luck. u guys are jus so stuck up u guys cant realize that it happens to everyone and u should jus stop bitchin and forget bout it.
hey ryan... i read alot of B-word here.... how about one more.....
wolf look forward to "B"itch u up....
"B"ite me!
wolfy
ryan56
04-10-2005, 05:08 PM
o sry ill try to "tone" it down a little bit. ill be waitin when our time comes
Rogue_Wolf
04-10-2005, 07:03 PM
Well, we lucked out. If RSB is upset with the way it turned out, I can't help them(Pretty pissed, actually, that they're so mad about it. I thought we had a good match, last round, and if you beat us once, you should be able to do it again). The only thing I know to do is allow for a re-draw of matches, giving us the chance of different opponents.
Anyway, if we do play, it will be much faster. Its my Spring Break, and I will be on regularly, and Mith is foruming everyday. If the other team does their part, we'll do ours.
Good luck to RSB, and the other teams. Burning, let me know whats gonna happen so I can send PM's.
-Rogue_Wolf
theburning
04-10-2005, 07:20 PM
I'm not getting much input from people here...and would rather not make this decision alone.
I can randomly assign the remaining 3 teams + Tassles! again, should I?
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 07:24 PM
I don't think it would make any sense to reassign like that with us as possibilities. I think you should either redraw a team for Tassles (which is grossly unfair) or assign the badges a new team that can't be us (which is fair, though less profitable for us).
theburning
04-10-2005, 07:30 PM
I don't think it would make any sense to reassign like that with us as possibilities. I think you should either redraw a team for Tassles (which is grossly unfair) or assign the badges a new team that can't be us (which is fair, though less profitable for us).
Is that not what I suggested?
Rogue_Wolf
04-10-2005, 07:32 PM
Just toss the names of Rev Tag Team, Weight Watchers, Out of Nowhere, Burning with Hate and Love, Rusty Sheriff's Badges, and Tassles! is a hat, and randomly draw. If a team gets an opponent they don't want, tough shit.
-Rogue_Wolf
theburning
04-10-2005, 07:39 PM
Isn't that what I did last time?
Rev Tag Team seems to want to stick with their opponents.
Rogue_Wolf
04-10-2005, 07:46 PM
Meh, this is getting too complicated. We're playing RSB, it was random, and its too much trouble to change. I'm sending the PM.
-Rogue_Wolf
Mithrandir
04-10-2005, 07:58 PM
It is what you suggested tb, I was just agreeing with you.
FryLock
04-10-2005, 07:59 PM
And after his (ryan56's) mouthing off, RTT would really like to wallop the Weight Watchers. Although ryan is the only one still left of the original team...and I like carlos and cuathon...but still! It's the principle, dammit! The original team was a bunch of pills and 1 confirmed cheater (Squidiot - see Banff forum).
Botts, we gotta make it our goal to not let wolfy play this round. :p
emerald slasher
04-10-2005, 08:01 PM
lol when i played squidiot grey vs grey i slaughtered him :cool:..go rev tag team go :)
*The Nothing*
04-10-2005, 11:07 PM
Cant wait. Res, get on rev. :D
theburning
04-11-2005, 11:36 AM
I just found this on the SI forums (posted April 6, 2005):
well im done with Tao for now. after a rash of bad luck, bad play, and keeping forgetting ,lol, to switch out of turtle foms after turt games i jst dont feel like playing anymore. plus springbreak is over, and ive been skipping my homework.
i sit on the comp all day wasting my life to get a game every 3 hours. and it lasts for 20 minutes. then one of the above things happens.
so bye...
FryLock
04-11-2005, 12:38 PM
Great. So who do we play now?
theburning
04-11-2005, 12:40 PM
Great. So who do we play now?
I recall that ryan56 did say that he wasn't sure about Cuathon since he hadn't heard from him in a while.
I'm assuming he'll need to find another sub.
So that will mean we're substituting for a sub, who was subbing for another sub, right?
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 12:42 PM
I think this is going too far.
theburning
04-11-2005, 12:48 PM
Yeah.
In a couple of years or so when I decide I want to run another one of these, there are going to be strict subbing rules.
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 12:49 PM
Maybe they should just be disqualified and then you can have the sherriff badges team play rev tag team and then everything will be easier.
theburning
04-11-2005, 12:53 PM
Maybe they should just be disqualified and then you can have the sherriff badges team play rev tag team and then everything will be easier.
That option does seem like a pretty good idea in a way, doesn't it?
I think that although I was allowing subs for everyone else, allowing for someone to be subbed 4 or 5 times is where it becomes a bit ridiculous?
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 12:54 PM
Yeah. Say what did say he'd rather play rev tag team then Tassles! again after all (obviously we're quite intimidating :p ).
theburning
04-11-2005, 12:56 PM
Yeah. Say what did say he'd rather play rev tag team then Tassles! again after all (obviously we're quite intimidating :p ).
I'm good with this option if everyone else is?
I think the subbing thing has gone on much too far! It seems ridiculous to allow allow a new person to join this tournament when we're in the semi-finals.
FryLock
04-11-2005, 12:57 PM
Bottle's our captain, whatever he says, I'll agree with.
theburning
04-11-2005, 12:59 PM
Bottle's our captain, whatever he says, I'll agree with.
He told me last night on MSN that he'd on today. Perhaps he's still at work?
If Bottle is okay with it then I'll go ahead and just go with that option.
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 12:59 PM
This affects my team as well so you should wait to see what Rogue_Wolf and zzzaacckk think as well. I'm okay with it if they are.
theburning
04-11-2005, 01:02 PM
This affects my team as well so you should wait to see what Rogue_Wolf and zzzaacckk think as well. I'm okay with it if they are.
Well! The only real effect it will have is taking away the option to win a grey drop (at best).
That's not so fun, is it?
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 01:03 PM
It's less about a small prize and more about the opportunity to play again (hey, tournaments are fun) and especially the option to get revenge.
theburning
04-11-2005, 01:03 PM
It's less about a small prize and more about the opportunity to play again (hey, tournaments are fun) and especially the option to get revenge.
Quite true.
I'm getting to a point where I don't even care anymore.
I just want it over with.
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 01:04 PM
That's understandable, be warned though that you will get some crankiness from my teammates if you proceed without at least letting them give their opinion.
FryLock
04-11-2005, 01:07 PM
It seems like Tassles wants to play RSB again, whereas RSB doesn't seem too sure about their chances the 2nd time around... :wink2:
theburning
04-11-2005, 01:07 PM
That's understandable, be warned though that you will get some crankiness from my teammates if you proceed without at least letting them give their opinion.
They're free to voice their opinion!
Regina said he's on his spring break, so I hope he'll be on soon?
I'm not even so sure that Bottle will go along with this.
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 01:09 PM
It seems like Tassles wants to play RSB again, whereas RSB doesn't seem too sure about their chances the 2nd time around...
That’s because we know we can beat them and so do they. :) They’re probably a better team but if they are it isn’t by much. I can’t blame them for not wanting to have to play us again though, it is kind of a bad deal for them.
Say What?
04-11-2005, 01:16 PM
He told me last night on MSN that he'd on today. Perhaps he's still at work?
If Bottle is okay with it then I'll go ahead and just go with that option.
When I said that I would rather play Rev Tag...I clearly stated that was my own opinion and not the voice of RSB. Don't you think you should ask Darque and Draquist what they think?
EDIT: see...
Honestly...no. I would rather play Rev Tag team. :P
But once again...I cannot officially speak for RSB because I have not seen Draq or Darq to ask them.
ryan56
04-11-2005, 01:42 PM
so is our team dqed or not..i dont really care...i didnt even want to play in this tourney.
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 01:44 PM
It sure would have been nice of you to inform us of that before now to save the trouble. :mad: :mad: :mad:
ryan56
04-11-2005, 01:45 PM
no i didnt want to when i was signed up..but i said that i would do this...but then everyone on my team isnt reliable.
theburning
04-11-2005, 01:58 PM
When I said that I would rather play Rev Tag...I clearly stated that was my own opinion and not the voice of RSB. Don't you think you should ask Darque and Draquist what they think?
EDIT: see...
Darque said that he wanted something to be done, anything to change the current situation. Is this not a change?
I'll leave this open for tonight and try to contact Darque on MSN if I can. Can you please try to do the same?
Draquist
04-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Well...does this put mine and rogues game on delay for now then?
theburning
04-11-2005, 02:32 PM
Well...does this put mine and rogues game on delay for now then?
No, it makes you have to say if or not you're ok with playing Rev Tag Team instead?
emerald slasher
04-11-2005, 02:33 PM
but rev tag team wants to wallop weight watchers....
Tag Captain
04-11-2005, 03:18 PM
Indeed we do. I don't like Ryan, and I think he (and his luck) needs to be brought down a peg or two.
I'm happy for ryan to make as many subs as he likes in order to for us to play, so long as we play a game eventually. In which I, and the rest of Rev Tag, shall wallop him. :)
I don't see a good reason why Tassles! and RSB can't play their match at all. Tassles! seem delighted with a chance to play again (and Mithrandir at the very least deserves it; it's his first tourney and he's been as active as anyone), it's just RSB (or rather, SW?) who don't want to play them again. But why not? Just because they've played them once already? In that case, rotate team order, and you won't be playing the same people over again. That's what was drawn, that's what we've got. And you, SW?, voted for this method knowing full well that this eventuality could happen.
Ryan, please find a sub for Cuathon, and get him to PM me.
Fry and wolfy, I hope you're happy with my decision here. I know you guys want to play WW as much as I do. :)
theburning
04-11-2005, 03:20 PM
Indeed we do. I don't like Ryan, and I think he (and his luck) needs to be brought down a peg or two.
I'm happy for ryan to make as many subs as he likes in order to for us to play, so long as we play a game eventually. In which I, and the rest of Rev Tag, shall wallop him. :)
I don't see a good reason why Tassles! and RSB can't play their match at all. Tassles! seem delighted with a chance to play again (and Mithrandir at the very least deserves it; it's his first tourney and he's been as active as anyone), it's just RSB (or rather, SW?) who don't want to play them again. But why not? Just because they've played them once already? In that case, rotate team order, and you won't be playing the same people over again. That's what was drawn, that's what we've got. And you, SW?, voted for this method knowing full well that this eventuality could happen.
Ryan, please find a sub for Cuathon, and get him to PM me.
Fry and wolfy, I hope you're happy with my decision here. I know you guys want to play WW as much as I do. :)
My main problem at this point is that ryan56 has already said he doesn't even want to be in this tournament any longer.
I'm starting to have major issues with allowing them to continue to sub like this.
ryan56
04-11-2005, 03:22 PM
i can get a sub tonight
Wolfman
04-11-2005, 03:27 PM
I'm happy for ryan to make as many subs as he likes in order to for us to play, so long as we play a game eventually. In which I, and the rest of Rev Tag, shall wallop him. :)
Fry and wolfy, I hope you're happy with my decision here. I know you guys want to play WW as much as I do. :)
word. Tag Captain.
My main problem at this point is that ryan56 has already said he doesn't even want to be in this tournament any longer.
I'm starting to have major issues with allowing them to continue to sub like this.
if they got dq'd, rev tag team will get a bye.... n i think bot, fry n wolf will not like it.
wolfy
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 03:31 PM
Wolf, the suggestion was that if they get disqualified you guys play the sherriff badges.
theburning
04-11-2005, 03:32 PM
if they got dq'd, rev tag team will get a bye.... n i think bot, fry n wolf will not like it.
wolfy
I know, which is why I proposed you guys play RSB, since they weren't pleased with the team that they got.
Anyhow, if ryan can find a sub and will be active for this round, I guess I'm just left with satisfying the RSB situation.
Tag Captain
04-11-2005, 03:54 PM
Ryan, get your sub to PM me tonight. I'll check my PMs tomorrow, and be able to play on Wednesday, hopefully.
Goodnight everyone.
ryan56
04-11-2005, 03:56 PM
i should be able to get one tonight...if not then tomorrow, i jus need to talk to carlos.
FryLock
04-11-2005, 05:00 PM
In any case, tb, don't worry about them subbing...this will be the last round that they cause any problems. RTT will see to that.
Wolfman
04-11-2005, 05:09 PM
In any case, tb, don't worry about them subbing...this will be the last round that they cause any problems. RTT will see to that.
fry, just pulling your legs here..... why do u think RTT will be able to see to that???? why r u so sure that WW will lose this round???
wolf hope this post will help to boost the morale of the weight watchers.....
wolfy
**** Wolf rings the bell.
**** Wolf starts to collect bets for RTT Vs WW
**** LETS START THIS ROUND!!!
ryan56
04-11-2005, 05:11 PM
ok i have talked to carlos...the sub will be bodexxx. Carlos will pm Tag Captain tonight to confirm it.
theburning
04-11-2005, 05:35 PM
ok i have talked to carlos...the sub will be bodexxx. Carlos will pm Tag Captain tonight to confirm it.
Who is bodexxx ???
theburning
04-11-2005, 05:45 PM
Okay guys! Something needs to be done about the RSB thing. Are we going to redraw from out of nowhere, RSB, Burning with Hate and Love and Tassles! again?
I'm fine with this option, as is RSB. I just need confirmation from a team in out of nowhere and then I'll go ahead with it.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 05:45 PM
I would still like another chance to play this round. I know of two things that sound interesting:
A) RSB and Tassles! will play again, but in an alternate order.
or
B) Have RSB and RTT swap opponents, that way RTT and RSB will fight, and WW and Tassles! will fight(If we win, WW will be out, and we'll get the grey drops...preferrably Knights.. :D ). If we don't finish in the time allotted(And its our fault), you can drop both teams from the tournament, and play the finals(If its not our fault, DQ WW, and give us the drops, I guess).
I'd be fine with either option.
-Rogue_Wolf
theburning
04-11-2005, 05:47 PM
I would still like another chance to play this round. I know of two things that sound interesting:
A) RSB and Tassles! will play again, but in an alternate order.
or
B) Have RSB and RTT swap opponents, that way RTT and RSB will fight, and WW and Tassles! will fight(If we win, WW will be out, and we'll get the grey drops...preferrably Knights.. :D ). If we don't finish in the time allotted(And its our fault), you can drop both teams from the tournament, and play the finals(If its not our fault, DQ WW, and give us the drops, I guess).
I'd be fine with either option.
-Rogue_Wolf
I don't like option B at all.
We can go with your option A, or the one I said in my previous post.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 05:50 PM
Just go with A. Why mess up the whole order when just 2 teams are having diffucilty?
-Rogue_Wolf
theburning
04-11-2005, 05:51 PM
Just go with A. Why mess up the whole order when just 2 teams are having diffucilty?
-Rogue_Wolf
Okay, so then Say What? has to play zzzaacckk ?
Darque
04-11-2005, 05:53 PM
Darque vs zzz i believe..if thats what were doing..
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 05:54 PM
Darque is on now, so we can settle this now.
How about:
Rusty Sheriff's Badges:
Say What?
Draquist
Darque
Tassles!:
Zzzaacckk
Mithrandir
Rogue_Wolf
If RSB is cool with this, Tassles! is.
-Rogue_Wolf
Darque
04-11-2005, 06:00 PM
Alright thats fine, but if were going in reverse order it is
Darque
Say What?
Draquist
Darque vs zzz first..im pretty easy to schedule a match with, so let me know when he can plan..and ill be there.
edit: Spellcheck on Say What?
Say What?
04-11-2005, 06:02 PM
*sorry for the double post* Please read the next one. :-(
Say What?
04-11-2005, 06:04 PM
And you, SW?, voted for this method knowing full well that this eventuality could happen.
Not even the person who came up with the option thought of a "double header". Please do not assume to know what I knew.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 06:06 PM
If we go reverse, we'll be fighting the same people as we would have last match.
In my way, everyone is in a spot where the person on the corresponding team is someone they weren't matched up with in our first match. Zzzaacckk and SW? will fight first, since they took the longest to schedule their match last time(And they'll both be at full, unlike their last game).
Draquist and Mith will go second. They didn't play at all last time, and both are pretty active.
And lastly, the two team captains will face. I'm on Spring Break, and you said you can be on when needed.
-Rogue_Wolf
Say What?
04-11-2005, 06:07 PM
I like Darque's better. :P
Darque
04-11-2005, 06:08 PM
I didnt get a chance to play zzz last time. I didnt get a chance to play a match this entire tournament thus far..If we replay the same people then we replay the same people..after all we're playing the same team.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 06:10 PM
Doesn't matter to me, bro. Just thought you guys wanted different opponents, and this was the best way to do it, without changing the whole round all together. Okay, so its:
Darque vs Zzzaacckk
Say What? vs Mithrandir
Draquist vs Rogue_Wolf
This cool with ya'll?
-Rogue_Wolf
Darque
04-11-2005, 06:12 PM
Great..were both on now, ill try to get the match done right away.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 06:15 PM
Okay, sounds good.
Also, did I make any of you guys ticked? I just got a Neg Rep for this post:
If we go reverse, we'll be fighting the same people as we would have last match.
In my way, everyone is in a spot where the person on the corresponding team is someone they weren't matched up with in our first match. Zzzaacckk and SW? will fight first, since they took the longest to schedule their match last time(And they'll both be at full, unlike their last game).
Draquist and Mith will go second. They didn't play at all last time, and both are pretty active.
And lastly, the two team captains will face. I'm on Spring Break, and you said you can be on when needed.
-Rogue_Wolf
If I said anything, sorry(Don't think I did). And if someone is just being a jerk, they can take this rep, and well, I don't think I need to finish this sentence. :)
Anyway, 2nd Neg Rep of my TAO career, and both were unsigned :rolleyes: Atleast this one wasn't for being a "SI Punk".
-Rogue_Wolf
FryLock
04-11-2005, 06:18 PM
Well, I know SW? anonymously neg repped me for telling him to quite whining...
Say What?
04-11-2005, 07:08 PM
Well, I know SW? anonymously neg repped me for telling him to quite whining...
I would love to know how you "know" that.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 07:11 PM
SW? wouldn't neg rep me. Me and him are cool, and we're clan mates. Besides, I didn't say anything bad about him in my post besides saying him and Zzzaacckk took the longest to schedule their match, which isn't rude, its just the facts.
Anyway, I'm not mad. If the person would just say why they did it, and atleast take responsibility for it, instead of being cowardice, I won't be mad. I won't neg rep them back for spite, its not the person I am.
-Rogue_Wolf
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 07:19 PM
Not choosing sides here, but when you get neg repped, you can check the post you were repped for. If he was neg repped for a post where he called you a "whiner", then he probably assumed it was you. Atleast thats what I would have guessed.
Also, did Mr. Double-Wide really neg rep him? :(
-Rogue_Wolf
FryLock
04-11-2005, 07:22 PM
I would love to know how you "know" that.
Because of the "ignore" trick. I put your name in there on a hunch, and the neg rep disappeared. Sounds pretty conclusive to me.
theburning
04-11-2005, 07:22 PM
Yeah, you can find out who gave you negative rep by putting them on your ignore list. If someone is on ignore, their rep doesn't show up..but is still counted.
FryLock
04-11-2005, 07:24 PM
The best thing is that he's still denying it. :p It's not a big deal man, just sign it next time.
Say What?
04-11-2005, 07:25 PM
Unlike others...if **I** wanted to neg rep someone **I** would personally give a reason. It sucks that people who are "friends" would accuse before asking. My forum name is on several computers. If someone else sent you neg rep...I am sorry. I would never do that. Especially to my most close friends. Choose to belive me or not...nothing I can do to change the way you feel.
-SW
theburning
04-11-2005, 07:25 PM
I guess he just didn't know about that trick! :)
Moose
04-11-2005, 07:26 PM
I like cheese?
FryLock
04-11-2005, 07:27 PM
Like I said dude, I'm NOT upset atcha, I just like negs to be signed. Even though I didn't earlier, I tend to sign all of mine now, good or bad.
But that rep definitely came from your name, so it's a valid assumption on my part that you did it. Whatever though, it's really not a big deal.
theburning
04-11-2005, 07:28 PM
Unlike others...if **I** wanted to neg rep someone **I** would personally give a reason. It sucks that people who are "friends" would accuse before asking. My forum name is on several computers. If someone else sent you neg rep...I am sorry. I would never do that. Especially to my most close friends. Choose to belive me or not...nothing I can do to change the way you feel.
-SW
So your name is signed into other computers and someone is currently on one of those comps passing out neg rep to people who call you whiney?
It’s kind of like having your own personal bodyguards. :)
Darque
04-11-2005, 07:32 PM
zzz forfeit..Darque wins with 2 Knights, Scout, Witch, BW, LW, Enchanty, Cleric
After one hour of play..Heres what happened..zzz says he has to go..currently im winning 10 vs 10(his knight is frozen and my enchanty is BW'd) I agree to play later if we restart 10 vs 9 since i obviously have his knight..he seems shocked..then agrees and says he has to go, and that he'll be surrendering to me the next round so I dont lose rating. I basically passed my turns thinking he was forfeiting..I was very surprised 30 minutes later when we were still "playing"(quotes because i would hardly call it that..it was more me questioning him). He then took 2 of my units through an assassin bomb very cheaply since the match wasnt even being played anymore then I got one more of his(when i realised he apparently wasnt leaving). He pulled the same crap on SW last time around. Then he demanded we play 8 vs 8..I am opting to take the forfeit..I dont play with people who have to con their way through matches. Id feel much worse if he hadnt already been eliminated from this tournament.
Mith..Rogue..sorry, but get yourself some a teammate with integrity.
Moose
04-11-2005, 07:33 PM
zzz forfeit..Darque wins with 2 Knights, Scout, Witch, BW, LW, Enchanty, Cleric
After one hour of play..Heres what happened..zzz says he has to go..currently im winning 10 vs 10(his knight is frozen and my enchanty is BW'd) I agree to play later if we restart 10 vs 9 since i obviously have his knight..he seems shocked..then agrees and says he has to go, and that he'll be surrendering to me the next round so I dont lose rating. I basically passed my turns thinking he was forfeiting..I was very surprised 30 minutes later when we were still "playing"(quotes because i would hardly call it that..it was more me questioning him). He then took 2 of my units through an assassin bomb very cheaply since the match wasnt even being played anymore then I got one more of his(when i realised he apparently wasnt leaving). He pulled the same crap on SW last time around. Then he demanded we play 8 vs 8..I am opting to take the forfeit..I dont play with people who have to con their way through matches. Id feel much worse if he hadnt already been eliminated from this tournament.
Mith..Rogue..sorry, but get yourself some a teammate with integrity.
Is Cheese still good?
FryLock
04-11-2005, 07:35 PM
Do you have screenshot? Of the game, not the cheese.
theburning
04-11-2005, 07:37 PM
Do you have screenshot? Of the game, not the cheese.
I'd prefer a screenshot of the cheese. :)
Darque, I would like to see a screenshot if possible.
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 07:38 PM
I just found out something that I really wish I didn't know.
Say What?, if you really did it, then I'm dissappointed. I really thought we were friends, and that we got along. If I offended you in anyway, I wish you would have approached me in a different way, or atleast left an explaination in your Rep.
If you didn't, then you need to cancel your "Automatically Sign In" option. If someone is going around giving you a bad name, then you need to stop it. It could hurt relationships that you have.
Anyway, if you really did it, PM me, and we'll put it behind us. I'm not one to hold grudges, so its not like I'll try and get you expelled from Si for this. Atleast be truthful. If you didn't do it, then don't give scum the opportunity to do this. Cancel your sign in feature, and apologize for the inconvenience.
Darque, if what you say is true, I'm extremely sorry. I was in this tourney for fun, and so was Mith. If Zzzaacckk did this, I apologize for team Tassles!. But please, have a scrn shot. Zzzaacckk will more than likely deny this, and without either of you having proof, I'm kinda between a rock and a hard place :(
-Rogue_Wolf
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 07:40 PM
Yeah, this is pretty ugly. The worst thing is that it's between clanmates. But if Darque has a screenshot to prove what he's saying and zzzaacckk left, it's Darque's decision and I will do my best.
Moose
04-11-2005, 07:43 PM
Yeah but don't forget the cheese...it seems to fix anything!
Draquist
04-11-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes Rogue, I also suggested Darque should have taken a screenie after that game but zzz claimed he was going to pull his way through it by posting the screenies himself on the forums.
And zzz...If you only had 45 minutes to play (even though that game went on for about an hour and a half) then you should not have taken the risk of playing...Everyone knows how long a grey on grey match can take especially when its 2 players whos teams are in the semi finals for the grey tourny...These are 2 of the best teams playing each other and you should have been expecting a long hard fought game.
theburning
04-11-2005, 08:00 PM
Why did Darque trust zzzaacckk to post the screenshots if he was planning on not replaying him?
Why trust someone who he thinks is a 'con' ?
Rogue_Wolf
04-11-2005, 08:03 PM
Me and Mithrandir are still discussing. We'll continue to play it out.
Its up to Jules and you guys. If you want to replay, starting with 8 vs 8, or whatever the score was, then thats okay(I woukdn't do this if Zack really did pull this stunt). If you want to play Mith with your 8, then thats okay too. But I promise, me and Mith aren't going down without a fight :p
-Rogue_Wolf
FryLock
04-11-2005, 08:07 PM
The loss of 2 units can be powerful...it would be difficult, but not impossible for Rogue to flawless the 8 leftovers and put things back on even footing.
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 08:08 PM
Except I'm playing next and Rogue's way better than me. :dry:
We're gonna do our best, we could still win if we have the best four games of our lives. :)
Wolfman
04-11-2005, 08:44 PM
lol.... i am shocked to hear what zzz did..... r u guys sure that zzz's acct is not compromised.... i mean.... if anyone else is playing on his acct.
i personally knows zzz as a GL ppl n i can standup for him when in doubts.... thats why i said this.
zzz.... speak up plz..... you owe this tourney, your opponent, your tag teammate and friends like me who trust ya an explanation.
Be silence in not expressing/explaining this situation..... will lead me to think that u hv done what D said.... plz proof me wrong.
zzz's sincerely friend
wolfy
Mithrandir
04-11-2005, 08:58 PM
I don't know what happened but I do know that it was the real zzzaacckk unless his AIM account is also compromised. We talked briefly at the end of their match, he wasn't happy, I know that much.
Darque
04-12-2005, 01:19 AM
zzz has the screeny, i thought he wouldve posted it by now since he was going to try and make me look like the bad guy apparently for not accepting after I said earlier I was going to..but im not going to let him say hes done for the night..then continue on for 30 minutes...then sign off when things arent looking as great as he'd like. Mith, Rogue..im sorry to do this to the both of you..but ive lost every ounch of respect ive once had for zzz. I was being more than generous when I said id replay him later..he forfeit that up the moment he started being a dousch, thats why he was upset at the end..because i was no longer giving him that opportunity after his stunt. Zzz doesnt deserve to be in this tournament and as far as im concerned he doesnt deserve to be in SI, but thats matter for a different discussion.
PS..the entire game he kept asking for draws so that the next two people could play 10 vs 10...i obviously declined.
Tag Captain
04-12-2005, 03:56 AM
I think one of the reasons behind this is that TB has offered grey drops (if I'm not mistaken) to Tassles! if they win, as an incentive. The problem with this is that it's too much of an incentive. In fact, if they were to win the match, they'd have come 2nd in the tourney (in effect) because they are one of 2 teams that will receive a prize.
Now, zzzaacckk doesn't seem like the type of person to do this. I would suggest a rematch from the 10 vs. 9 position personally, but that depends on whether zzz posts a screenie (or even attempts to defend himself). Darque, unfortunately, saying "I've lost all respect for him" isn't likely to work and allow you to simply progress... I very much doubt that would happen in a theoretical final between RTT and BWHAL, where *TN* and I are scheduled to fight first. You have to finish the match you've started.
Incidentally, Ryan's sub hasn't PMed me. :rolleyes: (And I know who bodexxx is, I've played him before. He's pretty good.)
Maybe the cheese can sort out this problem... everyone loves cheese.
zzzaacckk
04-12-2005, 05:54 AM
i have no urge time or will to defend my side of the story and I dont have time to post the screenie of us each down a knight and assasin when I surrendered cause I had to go. I dont feel like getting into another argument over something so stupid and I will play if someone pmes me. If I dont get a PM ill assume that you have decided that I have forfieghted(sp?). I really see no reason for my to argue because I have nothing to gain. if you NEED the screenie ill try and post it.
EDIT im not admitting that I did what he said. I jusst feel like there is no reason to lose friends or to waste my time arguing something like this.
Mithrandir
04-12-2005, 07:58 AM
Well, it sounds like you two agree on one thing: Darque, if he takes the win, has 8 units left (missing knight and assassin). But…
I really see no reason for my to argue because I have nothing to gain.
That may be but you certainly have a lot to lose. If you choose to not stick around for a long argument that is your business but I think you owe your opponents and your teammates one post where you give your side of the story. I think you owe us that much.
theburning
04-12-2005, 09:05 AM
i have no urge time or will to defend my side of the story and I dont have time to post the screenie of us each down a knight and assasin when I surrendered cause I had to go. I dont feel like getting into another argument over something so stupid and I will play if someone pmes me. If I dont get a PM ill assume that you have decided that I have forfieghted(sp?). I really see no reason for my to argue because I have nothing to gain. if you NEED the screenie ill try and post it.
EDIT im not admitting that I did what he said. I jusst feel like there is no reason to lose friends or to waste my time arguing something like this.
It only takes 2 seconds to post a screenshot!
If you prefer, can you email it to me at ohhhhjulia@hotmail.com ?
Thank you. :)
theburning
04-12-2005, 09:07 AM
I think one of the reasons behind this is that TB has offered grey drops (if I'm not mistaken) to Tassles! if they win, as an incentive. The problem with this is that it's too much of an incentive. In fact, if they were to win the match, they'd have come 2nd in the tourney (in effect) because they are one of 2 teams that will receive a prize.
I wish that you would have brought this up earlier. :(
I was so busy with school work etc. that I didn't put too much thought into it.
Anyhow, what good are grey drops? They're basically worthless in gold games, aren't they? By now I'm sure most people have their 2 clerics and a couple of witches, enchantresses etc.
I never actually confirmed that I would give them any prize. I'll wait and see if they win this round before making any sort of decision on it!
FryLock
04-12-2005, 09:20 AM
It only takes 2 seconds to post a screenshot!
If you prefer, can you email it to me at ohhhhjulia@hotmail.com ?
Thank you. :)
*spams inbox with love poems*
And in the matter of grey drops...you know, I've been on rev for almost a year now, and have never, ever seen a cleric drop. I've got BW, witches, and chantys coming out the wazoo, but no cleric.
Mithrandir
04-12-2005, 09:25 AM
I'm not sure I can speak for the rest of my team but I don't think we'll need the motivation. Rogue_Wolf and I have our own reasons for wanting to do as well as we can.
theburning
04-12-2005, 09:50 AM
*spams inbox with love poems*
And in the matter of grey drops...you know, I've been on rev for almost a year now, and have never, ever seen a cleric drop. I've got BW, witches, and chantys coming out the wazoo, but no cleric.
Love poems from you could never be considered spam. :wink2:
I've seen quite a few cleric drops! I believe at one point I even had 7 clerics. Of course, I've had to delete them to make room for my 3 frosts and 2 wisps. :)
zzzaacckk
04-12-2005, 11:03 AM
i will post the screenie when I come home that is easy. My side of the story is that I had 45 minutes to play and I decided that this was as good as aon opportunity as I was going to get to play so I did. Now at the begginning of the game i agreed to surrender at the end of the game to protect his stats. When I said ok to the 10vs 9 restart I never said I would surrender next turn and I didnt mean to imply it. Darque did not pass his turn but he did something(i forget). I then moved my assasin up and he healed and I a-bombed my knight. I then told him i got 15 more minutes until I have to go end of story. My mom gave me 15 more minutes before we had to go. I ended up killing his assasin and he killed my frozen knight. Ill post the screenie from when we get home. Im not going to argue but that is my side f he story.
FryLock
04-12-2005, 11:32 AM
Sing with me!
"This is the tourney that never eeeeends...
Yes it goes on and on my frieeeeends....
Some people - started playing it not knowing what it was
And they'll continue playing it forever just because
This is the tourney that never eeeeends..."
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 11:33 AM
Sing with me!
"This is the tourney that never eeeeends...
Yes it goes on and on my frieeeeends....
Some people - started playing it not knowing what it was
And they'll continue playing it forever just because
This is the tourney that never eeeeends..."
Sing with Fry!
"This is the tourney that never eeeeends...
Yes it goes on and on my frieeeeends....
Some people - started playing it not knowing what it was
And they'll continue playing it forever just because
This is the tourney that never eeeeends..."
Bot.... your turn...
wolfy
Darque
04-12-2005, 11:49 AM
We both agree what units we had left at the very end of the game..we both agree you were the one who surrendered..now..I know what happened before then..Please post the screeny but unfortunately I dont believe it'll reveal anything other than what units were left at the end of the game..in either case it is my option if I want to opt for the forfeit or not, and as said before indeed I do want to take it. Normally I wouldnt be such an ass to do this, as ive restarted in previous tournaments but this is an exception...I was shown no respect..so neither will you.
FryLock
04-12-2005, 11:55 AM
I think you guys should play another 10-vs-10 game. If Darque wins, he can take zzz's forfeit and proceed with his 8, if he loses, they rematch.
*notices everyone glaring*
What? :dry:
And dear lord, I'm NOT serious about this.
theburning
04-12-2005, 12:32 PM
There is no way in HELL I'd ever allow that! :nono:
Darque, so you said you wanted to go ahead and take the win, right?
Can you just list off the 8 remaining units you have left? That way the next player of Tassles! will know what they're up against!
Darque
04-12-2005, 12:32 PM
PMs have been being sent between me and Mith since yesterday, I believe he understands my decision and we'll more than likely play today. I have 2 knights, scout, LW, BW, cleric, witch + enchanty.
FryLock
04-12-2005, 12:39 PM
There is no way in HELL I'd ever allow that! :nono:
Read my *entire* post, you nay-sayer! :p
theburning
04-12-2005, 12:43 PM
Read my *entire* post, you nay-sayer! :p
Uh oh...I'm another black text victim.
And it was so obvious too! Considering the fact that there were a bunch of extra lines after the post.
Oh well. I wasn't actually serious anyways! I knew you were joking even without the black text. I just love the :nono: smiley too much to give up a chance to use it. :)
Mithrandir
04-12-2005, 12:47 PM
I don't have much time so I'll get right to the point. I won't be able to play this afternoon due to an unexpected complication. I might be able to play sometime in between 5:30 and 7 (eastern time) but not a minute after 7. I also might be able to play somewhere between 11 and 12 tonight. As predicted my schedule is picking up so we need to get this match done. Send me a PM if either of these times work for you.
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 01:17 PM
Uh oh...I'm another black text victim.
And it was so obvious too! Considering the fact that there were a bunch of extra lines after the post.
Oh well. I wasn't actually serious anyways! I knew you were joking even without the black text. I just love the :nono: smiley too much to give up a chance to use it. :)
hahaha... good one there fry.... :)
u black text user!
wolfy
zzzaacckk
04-12-2005, 02:24 PM
well that settles that gg darque.
theburning
04-12-2005, 02:43 PM
well that settles that gg darque.
How is it settled? Did you guys replay?
zzzaacckk
04-12-2005, 03:06 PM
uch you need us to replay? ok fine ill arrange a time... I though you were moving on...
theburning
04-12-2005, 03:12 PM
uch you need us to replay? ok fine ill arrange a time... I though you were moving on...
Did you not read Darque's post?
Tag Captain
04-12-2005, 03:13 PM
Bot.... your turn...
"Is this a real tourney...
Is it just fantasy...
Caught up in long games...
No escape from Rev for me.
Open your eyes, look up to floor 5 and see.......
I'm just a poor boy, I need my enchanty...
Because I quickly come, quickly go,
Front high blocking, rear low,
Anyway the tourney goes, doesn't really matter,
SO LONG AS I GET A GAME.... A GAME!
*doo doo doo doo doo-doo, doo doo doo doo doo-doo*
TB... just beat Naked Werewolves... put a knight against their flank, slashed a sword and now they're dead...
TB... the game has just begun... but now I've gone and d/ced it all away!
TB... oooooooo...
Didn't mean to slow your tourney down,
If bodexxx isn't on this time tomorrow...
Carry on, carry on,
And DQ the Weight watchers."
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 03:19 PM
wolfy sing along with tag captain:
"Is this a real tourney...
Is it just fantasy...
Caught up in long games...
No escape from Rev for me.
Open your eyes, look up to floor 5 and see.......
I'm just a poor boy, I need my enchanty...
Because I quickly come, quickly go,
Front high blocking, rear low,
Anyway the tourney goes, doesn't really matter,
SO LONG AS I GET A GAME.... A GAME!
*doo doo doo doo doo-doo, doo doo doo doo doo-doo*
TB... just beat Naked Werewolves... put a knight against their flank, slashed a sword and now they're dead...
TB... the game has just begun... but now I've gone and d/ced it all away!
TB... oooooooo...
Didn't mean to slow your tourney down,
If bodexxx isn't on this time tomorrow...
Carry on, carry on,
And DQ the Weight watchers."
dooo...dooo...dooo...dooo
***fry doing the dance in the background.
wolfy
FryLock
04-12-2005, 03:29 PM
***fry doing the dance in the background.
:yu: :coolpunk: :yahoo:
Break it on down now!
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 03:30 PM
dam.. my turn to come out a tune too...
let me try:
wolf sings beating his drums:
"We don need no "byes" to win this!
***Background: Go Go Rev Tag Go.... Go Go Rev Tag Go! :fan_1:
"We don need no "subs" also!
***Background: Go Go Rev Tag Go.... Go Go Rev Tag Go! :fan_1:
"Hey people! Rev Tag Team Blows!"
"All the problems we shared, Rev Tag gonna get the throne!" :*dance:
***repeats
Tag Captain
04-12-2005, 03:46 PM
Welcome to the Rev Tag Team music thread, hosted by Bottle, Wolfman and FryLock! In the next hour:
Music from Warcow (No one but SKOF)
TBs latest album (Don't make me run no more tournies)
Ryan56 live, singing "u r a stupit n00b!" !
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 03:59 PM
Coming up the chart.... a duo song by darque n zzz (tune origin from the 80s: Endless Love)
Darque: My darling.... u hv no respect in our game, n i hv no respect in thy name.
zzz: My first love.... i don give a shit what u said.... i hv nothing to lose or gain....
darque n zzz together: And I...... I want to share.... all my hatre with u..... n i know u don mind.... ***zzz in background: n i know u don mind....
darque n zzz together: And yes...... thats so much i want.... to share.... my no respect for ya.... and be..... an ass in this tourney..... n ya ya ya.... u r.... u r..... my endless love!!!!!
****plz note: all material used in this music posts r meant to be entertaining; no offense is to be taken...
Tag Captain
04-12-2005, 04:04 PM
Anyway...
First match (Bottle vs. Bodexxx) is scheduled for 11 hours time. I'll try and be up bright and early tomorrow :)
zzzaacckk
04-12-2005, 04:07 PM
http://img190.echo.cx/img190/965/mevsdarque9eg.jpg
here you go if you guys wanted it.
ryan56
04-12-2005, 04:08 PM
Ryan56 live, singing "u r a stupit n00b!" !
is that suppose to be an insult...cause if it is.. i dont get it
Rogue_Wolf
04-12-2005, 04:08 PM
*Stuffs gauze in ears to stop the bleeding*
burning, Darque said if he had the opportunity to take his forfeit, and play the next round with his remaining 8 units. Thats what Zzzaacckk meant when he said that it was settled.
Though I, obviously, would like them to replay. It seems like this all was just a miscommunication between players. But if we're handling this like the D/C situations, its really up to RSB.
Either way it turns out, me and Mith are gonna get to Draquist.
-Rogue_Wolf
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 04:13 PM
is that suppose to be an insult...cause if it is.. i dont get it
well..... let me help ya...
coming up in the oldies chart..... with the MC Hammer's "Cant Touch This!" tune:
ryan56: deng deng deng.... deng deng... deng deng.... u r a stupid noob!
ryan56: deng deng deng.... deng deng... deng deng.... stupid noob stop "B"-itching!
*** repeats
ryan56
04-12-2005, 04:17 PM
well i guess that could be taken either way.
theburning
04-12-2005, 04:24 PM
TBs latest album (Don't make me run no more tournies)
lol.
Should I write up some lyrics?
Say What?
04-12-2005, 04:57 PM
*Stuffs gauze in ears to stop the bleeding*
burning, Darque said if he had the opportunity to take his forfeit, and play the next round with his remaining 8 units. Thats what Zzzaacckk meant when he said that it was settled.
Though I, obviously, would like them to replay. It seems like this all was just a miscommunication between players. But if we're handling this like the D/C situations, its really up to RSB.
Either way it turns out, me and Mith are gonna get to Draquist.
-Rogue_Wolf
You gotta go through *yours truely* first. :P
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 05:15 PM
well i guess that could be taken either way.
under request by the listeners, RTT radio station conducted an personal interview with the famous Rockstar Ryan56... below is some extracts of the interview:
Wolf: Hello Ryan56. Welcome to our RTT radio station star singer interview...
Ryan56: Bitch!
Wolf: Funny way of saying hi.... but anyway.... how r u feeling??? excited?
Ryan56: Bitch!!
Wolf: Sounds interesting....hmmmm.... what is your upcoming hit song for your next song album... we r very interested to know...
Ryan56: Bitch!!!
Wolf: Ok... our dear listeners... u guys know now what is ryan56's upcoming hit song.... ryan56.. any words for the listeners?
Ryan56: Bitch!!!!
Wolf: Well... i think that concludes our interesting interview with Rockstar Ryan56. Stay tune.... live interview with TB next.... don go away...
***background music plays
wolfy
ryan56
04-12-2005, 05:47 PM
lol...sweet i find that very funny...or am i suppose to be offended?
*The Nothing*
04-12-2005, 06:22 PM
LOL.
Burn, i'll buy your album!
:D:D:D
Wolfman
04-12-2005, 06:26 PM
lol...sweet i find that very funny...or am i suppose to be offended?
cheer man... just some teaser to past time waiting for my turn to play in this round.
wolfy
Tag Captain
04-13-2005, 03:32 AM
Well, bodexxx was supposed to have been online 30 minutes ago. He hasn't turned up yet. We arranged it only 12 hours ago as well. :rolleyes:
Tag Captain
04-13-2005, 04:40 AM
Wow, what a game.
Start off with similar same-side turtles. He has the formation advantage, because his near flank has more blockers and a witch ready to attack, to my scout and knight (designed for opp-side battles).
Early exchanges of LW/witch fire make my knight and his knight badly injured... I am forced to retreat it. He goes for a front shot on my scout... and hits. And my cleric is recovering, and he has a witch ready. Within 5 turns, any chance of my winning with force is gone. I get the witch in exchange for my scout. I try a witch attack of my own to get a knight and threaten his cleric, but he advances his scout to break BW focus. My witch dies, but I reduce his scout to 12, and he barriers it. I am now scout down and in a pretty desperate situation. I advance a knight so his barriered scout can't retreat, and move my chanty up into scout-freezing position. He responds by threatening to freeze my knight that's advanced. I accept this, and freeze the scout; he freezes my knight. We trade turns for a while, and then I notice the move that saves me the match; I freeze his chanty.
He's now stuck. He ass-blasts his own LW, my LW and my knight. My chanty is out of BW range, but it recovers before he can reach it, and he only has 3 knights, BW and cleric left anyway. I (eventually) kill both the frozen chanty and scout, and lose my cleric in exchange (there was no way I could save it...), leaving it with BW on 10, chanty, assassin on 21 (a-bomb ready for priming), and 2 knights vs. 3 knights, BW and cleric. One of his knights is well out of it, and one of the others is in imminent danger of being frozen and the chanty BWed. Eventually, I a-bomb one of the two advanced knights, and freeze the other. Then I simply killed the cleric, killed the BW, and froze the last 2 knights;
http://img216.echo.cx/img216/53/bodexxxwin6hs.jpg
I then forfeited to carlos22 (2 knights and chanty being not much use). He has the normal units (ie. no pyros.)
Good luck Fry! And sorry I couldn't do any better... it's hard when your scout is dead by turn 5...
carlos22
04-13-2005, 04:44 AM
FryLock, let me know when you can play!
Edit: Private message sent!
Wolfman
04-13-2005, 09:03 AM
bot... sounds like an exciting match u got.... job well done....
fry.. get to work now.... u hv to wallop 10 vs 20.
Go fry Go!
Go Rev Tag!
wolfy
FryLock
04-13-2005, 09:40 AM
Right then. Well, today is an ABSOLUTE mess. Carlos, I will try to be on today around 12 noon Pacific time. No matter what happens, I MUST leave by 1:50pm Pac Time. So if our game starts much later than 1, 1:15, if we find a good "stopping point," I'm requesting that we take a screeny and continue later from where we left off.
If we can't get it in today, I will make it on tomorrow evening around 7:45pm Pac time.
(I've pm'd this exact message to him too, just in case)
FryLock
04-13-2005, 12:59 PM
Carlos, on rev now. Will wait there for a while.
Mithrandir
04-13-2005, 01:00 PM
I'm also on rev, waiting for Darque.
theburning
04-13-2005, 01:01 PM
Carlos, on rev now. Will wait there for a while.
I'm pretty sure that Carlos is at school right now. Or did he say otherwise in his PM to you?
FryLock
04-13-2005, 01:41 PM
Carlos and I just played...blocking was wonky and he made a DYNAMITE chanty move, but I prevail with 7 units.
[img=http://img199.echo.cx/img199/5018/carlos3cg.th.jpg] (http://img199.echo.cx/my.php?image=carlos3cg.jpg)
-EDIT- now let's see how long it takes ryan to get back to me...any takers? Minimum 3 day's bid.
-EDIT2- he's on the forums now, looking at General Discussion. PM sent, but I bet there's no response.
Say What?
04-13-2005, 02:07 PM
He def could have killed 1 more unit. :P
Mithrandir
04-13-2005, 02:09 PM
I missed my window. I'll be back later Darque, please be there. I need to get this finished.
FryLock
04-13-2005, 02:13 PM
He def could have killed 1 more unit. :P
No, his knight was on 6.
There was no chance.
You gonna neg-rep me for this one, too?
-Edit- Ryan was online when he received 2 pms from me, then 5 minutes later, he signed out. the ball's in his court now.
Wolfman
04-13-2005, 03:12 PM
omg..... fry..... u r definitely the best middle fielder RTT got.... job well done....
now go wallop ryan 7 vs 10.... i place heavy bet on ya that u can take him down. (morale boost to fry)
Go Fry Go!
Go Rev Tag!
wolfy
Mithrandir
04-13-2005, 07:00 PM
Mithrandir vs Darque
Well, Darque started the match down a knight and an assassin. Same side game again (bleh) but he played a very good match. With the help of a couple of very key blocks (though it was all in all even throughout the match), superb play and a couple of mistakes from me he killed 2 knights and a witch. Pretty annoying, hopefully I can kill one of Say What?'s units with my remaining stuff. Good job Darque, I was quite outmatched. Sorry team, I kind of blew it, again. I did my best, I'll do my best in the next round as well.
http://img128.echo.cx/my.php?image=darque22gp.jpg
Deathscythe
04-13-2005, 09:13 PM
And after his (ryan56's) mouthing off, RTT would really like to wallop the Weight Watchers. Although ryan is the only one still left of the original team...and I like carlos and cuathon...but still! It's the principle, dammit! The original team was a bunch of pills and 1 confirmed cheater (Squidiot - see Banff forum).
Botts, we gotta make it our goal to not let wolfy play this round. :p
Get over urself.
Rogue_Wolf
04-13-2005, 10:53 PM
Nice Job, Mith. No doubt you'll be able to take out more than one unit of Sawy What?'s.
-Rogue_Wolf
FryLock
04-14-2005, 12:34 AM
Get over urself.
Says the guy who can't even bring himself to play.
Get ouuuutta here. :p And tell your little buddy ryan to hurry it up. I'm waiting for him and so is wolfy.
Tag Captain
04-14-2005, 06:56 AM
Fry, surely you don't expect ryan to actually tun up and play? When he's outnumbered 17 to 10? And obviously going to lose?
No, I'm pretty sure he won't post again until the deadline is passed, and then claim that Fry hasn't been on at all. Either that, or he'll wait until Fry logs off, and then say that Fry hasn't been on all day and that we should get disqualified. After all, that's all he's done in the past...
Of course, he might just keep posting on Deathscythe's account.
theburning
04-14-2005, 08:39 AM
Of course, he might just keep posting on Deathscythe's account.
They do have the same IP.
However, I'm under the impression that all of those guys are great friends who love to play TAO in groups.
Mithrandir
04-14-2005, 08:42 AM
Are Rescorlian and *TN* just having a hard time finding a time that works for both of them or what? It doesn't seem like they're making much progress.
theburning
04-14-2005, 08:44 AM
I haven't seen Rescorlian on at all since his post earlier in this thread.
TN has been around looking for him.
Rescorlian! Where are you!
Say What?
04-14-2005, 08:50 AM
Nice Job, Mith. No doubt you'll be able to take out more than one unit of Sawy What?'s.
-Rogue_Wolf
I love it that many people doubted Darque (With 8 good units) would get more then 1 unit from Mith. Yet...Mith is assured to take out more than one of mine? 'Eh...I see how things are.
theburning
04-14-2005, 08:54 AM
I love it that many people doubted Darque (With 8 good units) would get more then 1 unit from Mith. Yet...Mith is assured to take out more than one of mine? 'Eh...I see how things are.
Sometimes it's necessary to let someone know that you believe in them.
If you play well, you should be able to flawless Mith.
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