Freedom of speech

[wolf rayne {D}]

This thread is why i think we do not have freedom of speech. this thread is opinonative, and i would like other peoples opinions on this matter.
i dont think we have freedom of speech because we can not say somethings without servere re-procussions for what we say, for instance you cannot run up ina school and yell "i got a bomb and im gonna blow you to hell!"
you also cant say "well, im gonna go assinate the present, and kill cops" because youll be sent to jail, for conspiracy, and terrorism. even on here, you cant say some word without getting banned! what does everyone else think about this?
and to note: this is my first thread on General discussion thread, so, maybe take it a little easy on the flaming?
well, let me know! thanks!

[The Cheat]

Free Speech is not really free.

[dirka dirka]

for instance you cannot run up ina school and yell "i got a bomb and im gonna blow you to hell!"
well, im gonna go assinate the present, and kill cops

That would be cause you can't threaten people. We have freedom of speach, we can say what we want, in the US. However if we claim to be planning something like you said it falls under the espionage act.

[Terps rock]

I did a history day PowerPoint on this... i hate censorship

[Jeffery]

Well, you point about what can be said here has nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is a privately owned internet site, hosted in the US, but ran out of Canada. As a private site, the owners have the right to limit anything you can and can not do here.

As for freedom of speech in general:
You have the right to say what you want, as long as what you say does not inflict harm upon another. Shouting "fire" or threatenting to kill someone falls under inciting panic. As a crime, you lose the protection of the first amendment.

You also do not have the right to say something that is damaging to a persons well being. Slander and libelous statements CAN be held against you.

The first amendment is a right, not a privilage. As such it can, and is, limited in its application

[_Thunder_]

Free is a hard word in the U.S.

[Moose]

Freedom isn't Free, that simple.

[Tag Captain]

Freedom is an illusion created by mankind to make us feel less insignificant than we are.

[/deep]

[dirka dirka]

Freedom is an illusion created by mankind to make us feel less insignificant than we are.

[/deep]
You are only as insignificant as you make yourself.

[Aro23r]

It's a common misconception. Americans have liberties, not freedoms.

[Moose]

You are only as insignificant as you make yourself.
Your purpose in life is to live by accident.

[Tag Captain]

You are only as insignificant as you make yourself.
Not so. You are as insignificant as the universe made you, which on the grand scale of things, is pretty insignificant.

[Hellblazer]

If we really had freedom of speech, we could walk up to the president any day and say "F*** You!"

[Moose]

If we really had freedom of speech, we could walk up to the president any day and say "F*** You!"

Well technically u can, however they might percieve that as a "statement of terror".

[wolf rayne {D}]

It's a common misconception. Americans have liberties, not freedoms.
would a liberite be the same as a privelige?
EDIT: someone negged me saying
"dont make stupid and pointless threads"...
i dont consider this pointless.....

[sub the hendrix]

Although I beleive TAO and politics should not mix, I do have to mention that the first ammendment is arguably being limmited because of the USA Patriot Act.

[Moose]

would a liberite be the same as a privelige?

Nope.

[dirka dirka]

Not so. You are as insignificant as the universe made you, which on the grand scale of things, is pretty insignificant.
Nope. Thats the point of view of somebody who sits at home his entire life and eats chips. You can be as significant as you want.

[sub the hendrix]

Well, either can be revoked, but so can freedom. Rights, however, are universal.

[wolf rayne {D}]

Nope.
ok just asking..
i haven't had history or anything yet, im a bit young :D

[Tag Captain]

Nope. Thats the point of view of somebody who sits at home his entire life and eats chips. You can be as significant as you want.
One, they're called crisps, and two, no it's not. It's the view of someone who knows how large the universe is, and what effect our lives have on it.

[dirka dirka]

Considering we are gonna pick...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Is not TAO all about men not being equal?

[Moose]

For all you know, our universe could be a pond in someone's back yard. You just never know.

[dirka dirka]

One, they're called crisps, and two, no it's not. It's the view of someone who knows how large the universe is, and what effect our lives have on it.

... Yes, you compare your life to the universe. Why not compare it to our limits? The solar-system. We have limits, however not on how big of an impact we leave.

[wolf rayne {D}]

would a liberite be the same as a privelige?
EDIT: someone negged me saying
"dont make stupid and pointless threads"...
i dont consider this pointless.....
did any one of you neg me, cause there wasnt a name on it..... :confused: :confused:

[Tag Captain]

Personally, I would have limited the boundary to this planet. And it's difficult to even influence THAT.

[dirka dirka]

Personally, I would have limited the boundary to this planet. And it's difficult to even influence THAT.
Key Word: Personally. You set your sights low.

[Realist]

It's a common misconception. Americans have liberties, not freedoms.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Sounds like we have some freedoms to me. (Not that there is any significant differences between those two words)

As to the topic of this thread, yes, we do have freedom of speech. The fact that this freedom isn't absolute doesn't stop it from being a freedom.

[CRX687]

Nope. Thats the point of view of somebody who sits at home his entire life and eats chips. You can be as significant as you want.
actually, if you think about it... everything we do in life is completely pointless to you upon death... so we really are quite in significant, no matter what we do...

sure, we'll leave behind some ppl that miss us... but then what? what about after they die?

And if you invent something... to waht avail? to make some other insignificant ppl's lives better while they live... but when you die, does it make any difference to you?

[dirka dirka]

actually, if you think about it... everything we do in life is completely pointless to you upon death... so we really are quite in significant, no matter what we do...

sure, we'll leave behind some ppl that miss us... but then what? what about after they die?

And if you invent something... to waht avail? to make some other insignificant ppl's lives better while they live... but when you die, does it make any difference to you?

Yea, you're right... Einstein's like was pointless... No. Your theory has no weight. We are only pointless if you say existance and the universe is pointless.

[T3km4n]

Freedom is an illusion created by mankind to make us feel less insignificant than we are.

[/deep]
Haha. Yeah. Down with the machine!


But, on the topic of freedom of speech, would you be so much happier if you could run into a school screaming bomb?


On the topic of Bottle vs Dirka, considering signifigance is an opinion, you can't prove each other wrong...

[Medemia]

Again, it is a matter on what you see as your purpose as to what your significance to the universe is. If your purpose is to live, procreate, and die, then yeah, your significance is nothing. If, on the other hand, you were created for the purpose of being loved by your creator and loving Him back, then by living your purpose, your significance is astronomical.

As for freedom of speech, your freedoms end where my nose begins.

[Jeffery]

As for freedom of speech, your freedoms end where my nose begins.
My ass?

[Medemia]

Sometimes... sometimes other people's too :)

Man, left myself open for that one. I hate you!