Revelation Survival Tourney: Sign-up here

[Lonely Tylenol]

All right, this is an idea I had for a tourney myself. The only inspiration for this was to see what form of strategy would prevail between rushes and turtles in the long term when you are not allowed to reset your units. :)

Here's the rules.

- There are NO preset tournament brackets. This is a no-holds-barred tournament, which means you can freely challenge anyone else involved in the tourney, whether in game, via PM, or requests in this thread. Incidentally, I want all of you to post your primary servers.

- There is only one round to this tourney. There are two winners:
1: Last man standing. You must have fought AT LEAST two fights apon being the last man standing: The first being any fight in particular, and the second knocking out the other last person standing. If you have not a single fight before the final, tournament deciding game, you are disqualified. (This is to ensure someone doesn't bide their time until the last match and beat an embattled unit into victory.)
2: Most units destroyed. I will ask people to post screenshots after the fight and how many units they destroyed in the process. Most total units destroyed is declared the second winner, even if s/he isn't the last one standing.

- ALL games are freestyle unless you and your opponent both agree to a turtle game. If you turtle and your opponent rushes, whine about it to someone who cares--nobody will be restricted in what form they choose.

- Incidentally, you will be limited to these units (organized alphabetically):

1 Assassin
1 Barrier Ward
1 Beast Rider
1 Cleric
1 Dark Magic Witch
1 Dragonspeaker Mage
1 Dragon Tyrant
1 Enchantress
1 Frost Golem
1 Furgon
1 Golem Ambusher
1 Lightning Ward
1 Mud Golem
3 Knights
1 Poison Wisp
2 Pyromancers
2 Scouts
1 Stone Golem

So basically, basic grey and Gold units. No drops, or we'd end up with a flurry of perverted forms in this tourney.

- Any units you lose are LOST PERMANENTLY. If person A fights a game with person B, and wins with seven units left, then they are only able to use those seven units, so choose your units carefully. Person A will go on to fight person C when challenged or when initiating a challenge, but person A loses to percon C by four units. Person C can only use those four units against whoever he faces next. This is much like the Tag Team tourneys, only there are no teams, and no brackets. Anyone and everyone in the tournament is your enemy at any given time.

- You may report a battle victory/loss in TWO ways:
1: Screenshot. Plain and simple... With a Screenshot, I do not need ANY verification of who won and who lost. By keeping proper track of who else the two participants fought, I can determine who lost what units to which people, and judge their unit kills accordingly.

2: Text. If you post a text declaration of victory, state WHAT YOUR REMAINING UNITS ARE, AND HOW MANY UNITS EACH OF YOU KILLED. I also need your opponents' verification, to make sure you aren't lying.

EDIT: Win/loss rules:

- If a person leaves the arena for any reason, be it disqualification or surrender, they are disqualified permanently, and the winner fights on with his remaining units.

- If a draw occurs, both people are able to fight again, although they are only able to fight with the units each preserved through their battle.

- If an opponent refuses a fight for ANY reason whatsoever, post a screenshot and I will resolve the matter personally. Anyone who refuses a fight without good reason will be disqualified.

I expect this to be a short round, however should things get messy anyone who goes a week without fighting will be disqualified.

Let the sign-ups begin!

EDIT II: Current participants:
1. Lonely Tylenol (Great Lakes)
2. Sub the Hendrix (Great Lakes)
3. .Vash. (Armageddon)
4. _Thunder_ (Armageddon)
5. Wolf-Boy (Great Lakes)
6. Sanity (Great Lakes)
7. War God (Armageddon)
8. *The Nothing* (Any Server)
9. geeky_bastard (Great Lakes)
10. Binkpimp (Armageddon)
11. lazer y (Banff)
12. C u Z (Great Lakes)
13. DARKSMILE2 (Great Lakes)
14. choplocker-17 (Great Lakes)

[_Thunder_]

Looks pretty good so far, let me read the rest to see if i want to join :)

[Lonely Tylenol]

Hooray! Someone might join my tourney. :)

I do hope this catches on, as I believe it to be a genuinely good idea if you're out to have some good fun. Unfortunately, a good number of tournaments here (everyone except the RTT tourney) have gone dead, so I hope a good tourney will break this tradition.

[sub the hendrix]

I'm not sure about this, but...
*signs name*

[_Thunder_]

Allright dude sign me up for now.

[sub the hendrix]

We need more people! We're stretchin it out too thin scottie!

Edit: LT, clear your damn pm box.

[Mithrandir]

lol

I'm constantly telling him to clean out his inbox.

[.Vash.]

Im in.

[Tag Captain]

The problem I can see with ths is that people will just bide their time, beat a person with only one or two unit left, then win the final round. There's actually no incentive to play at all.

[Mithrandir]

Yeah, what he said. :p

You need to make it so each person needs to play an even number of people.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Yeah, what he said.

You need to make it so each person needs to play an even number of people.

:mad: Bottle, Mithrandir, both of you need to read my rules. If someone bides for a week or until the final round without a single fight, they are immediately disqualified. FURTHERMORE, if anyone refuses a challenge without good reason, I will disqualify them. Primary servers are requested so people will know which server they are in. Between all these regulations, the only way someone can really bide their time is if someone lets them.

Nobody can bide their time while I'M the one running the show, I'll see to that.

Edit: LT, clear your damn pm box.

:dry: Blame the people that PMed me while I was asleep.

[wolf-boy]

i will sign up, u know wut server im from

[Geeky_Bastard]

lt this sounds like an awesome tourny, i will watch from the stands since i have no gold tho... :(

[Terps rock]

umm... how do you win?

[Lonely Tylenol]

umm... how do you win?

Survive. This is a no-holds-barred freestyle tournament. You must either kill or be killed. Anyone who refuses to fight is disqualified, and thus "killed" in the same manner of war.

Due to the fact that any units you lose in a round are permanent, it gives you either of two choices: The first is to put the extremes on unit preservation to try and win with as many units as possible, and outlast your opponent; the second is to put the extremes on rushing and try and crush your opponent as quickly as possible, before they have the chance to kill many of yours.

Basically, I want to see which philosophy would hold truer in such a tournament. :)

[Tag Captain]

You need to make sure that everyone plays the same number of games, and THEN the tourney will work. Otherwise, you'll end up in the final with one person who's played 2 matches and has 3 units left, and another who's played 1 match and has 6 units left. It won't even be worth playing the final. And that would be slightly anticlimactic.

[Lonely Tylenol]

You need to make sure that everyone plays the same number of games, and THEN the tourney will work. Otherwise, you'll end up in the final with one person who's played 2 matches and has 3 units left, and another who's played 1 match and has 6 units left. It won't even be worth playing the final. And that would be slightly anticlimactic.

The only way to make sure everyone plays the same amount of matches is through tournament brackets, which defeats the whole point of a survival round to begin with.

I have exhausted every idea I had and this was the best I came up with for balancing it.

[FryLock]

Survive. This is a no-holds-barred freestyle tournament. You must either kill or be killed. Anyone who refuses to fight is disqualified, and thus "killed" in the same manner of war.

Due to the fact that any units you lose in a round are permanent, it gives you either of two choices: The first is to put the extremes on unit preservation to try and win with as many units as possible, and outlast your opponent; the second is to put the extremes on rushing and try and crush your opponent as quickly as possible, before they have the chance to kill many of yours.

Basically, I want to see which philosophy would hold truer in such a tournament. :)

Well, this doesn't quite make sense. Most forms are designed to win the game they're playing, not 2 games down the road. Nowadays, especially with the damnbusher, the predominant form is a rush / freestyle. A rush doesn't try to preserve units, it just tries to hit hard and fast. If you win a game with 1, it's the same as winning with 10.

So this tourney won't show what "philosophy" is better, since rushes aren't designed for longevity.

Also, if it works out so that a "fresh" player with 10 units challenges a player who's been through a game, they can tweak their form to adapt and preserve. I might normally rush, but if I challenge someone with 4 units left, then I would feel confident about flawlessing them with a turtle...then someone would challenge me, and I'd be using that turtle, not because I originally wanted to, but because I didn't want to lose units previously.

This is an interesting idea, but I think it needs a LOT of work to iron out the flaws.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Well, this doesn't quite make sense. Most forms are designed to win the game they're playing, not 2 games down the road. Nowadays, especially with the damnbusher, the predominant form is a rush / freestyle. A rush doesn't try to preserve units, it just tries to hit hard and fast. If you win a game with 1, it's the same as winning with 10.

Actually, I should hope it does make sense.

Obviously, the participants would have to tweak their strategies to the best of their abilities to come up with a form that would either not be especially weakened by the loss of a few units, or to prevent the losses of units altogether--in any case, the objective here is to see what philosophy would prevail in the long term.

I'm aware that it isn't the perfect implementation of such a trial, but it is the best I could come up with.

Also, if it works out so that a "fresh" player with 10 units challenges a player who's been through a game, they can tweak their form to adapt and preserve. I might normally rush, but if I challenge someone with 4 units left, then I would feel confident about flawlessing them with a turtle...then someone would challenge me, and I'd be using that turtle, not because I originally wanted to, but because I didn't want to lose units previously.

That would be your fault for turtling when you would normally have rushed. You may be able to win easily in one situation by tweaking your strat, but by using units exclusive to that strategy, you may put yourself at a disadvantage later on.

Naturally, another benefit of this tournament would hopefully be to force participants to try think two battles ahead--instead of focusing on finishing just the one fight ahead, you have to think in such a manner that would allow you to finish the fight in fighting form for your next fight.

By allowing any and all opponents to challenge a surviving fighter--although, unfortunately, this does allow itself open for abuse--the participants will have to think on their toes even more so, because they must be able to prepare themself for a fight in any situation that might allow them. For instance, if person A beats person B, and prepares for person D, but instead fights person G, in a different scenario... Well.

Needless to say, you must be able to prepare yourself for whatever the situation requires.

This is an interesting idea, but I think it needs a LOT of work to iron out the flaws.

I'm well aware of that. Do you have any ideas? The tournament won't start until at least the fifteenth at this rate, due the slow influx of participants.

[FryLock]

Unfortunately, I don't have any good ideas except for bracketing the whole thing randomly. I just see too much potential for abuse of the system, e.g. "I see that ___ is playing now, and I just got online, normally he'd beat me, but I'll hang out and wait until his game is done, then challenge. He has to accept or be dq'd."

A cunning person could conceivably manipulate the system. Even sending pm's or posting on this thread have loopholes. You can set your preferences NOT to let you know when you get a new pm, and one can always say they've been waiting on their home server and not checking the thread.

As much (or more) strategy will go into log-on times and planned challenges than the actual forms.

I realize it sounds like I'm dumping on this idea. I don't mean to be overly negative. It is very creative and original, and for that, I have much respect. That said, though, without some sort of bracketing system, I see too many implimentation problems.

[Lonely Tylenol]

A cunning person could conceivably manipulate the system. Even sending pm's or posting on this thread have loopholes. You can set your preferences NOT to let you know when you get a new pm, and one can always say they've been waiting on their home server and not checking the thread.

As can be indicated by the stickied thread above this one, there is abuse even in preset rounds, because someone can skip out of a fight.

Quite simply, just about everything has loopholes that can be exploited, but with extreme enforcement or regulation, it should hopefully be a lot less of a problem...

I will have to think about it.

[War God]

Not really any chance of me winning, but fine, sign me up. I got a ok rank is Armegeddon (1046).

[Lonely Tylenol]

Not really any chance of me winning, but fine, sign me up. I got a ok rank is Armegeddon (1046).

All right, what is the name you will be using for the tournament in Revelations? (I must make sure it is a gold name.)

[War God]

My name is War God.

[Tag Captain]

LT, I think everyone agrees that it's a good idea, but if you look at the more experienced poster's views they are all saying the same thing- the system is too open to abuse.

Honestly, the only way I can think of keeping it fair is to have either 8, 16, or 32 people enter, and then say that you can play ANYONE you like, but you can only play once before the "round" is over. In other words, anyone can still play anyone, but you can't get challenged by a fresh player if you've just won by a narrow margin. That way everyone plays the same number of games and it is more even. It would also test which strategy works best as well, because no individual strat can be bulldozed over by a fresh player.

[Lonely Tylenol]

LT, I think everyone agrees that it's a good idea, but if you look at the more experienced poster's views they are all saying the same thing- the system is too open to abuse.

And I'm saying... Do you have any better ideas?

Honestly, the only way I can think of keeping it fair is to have either 8, 16, or 32 people enter, and then say that you can play ANYONE you like, but you can only play once before the "round" is over. In other words, anyone can still play anyone, but you can't get challenged by a fresh player if you've just won by a narrow margin. That way everyone plays the same number of games and it is more even. It would also test which strategy works best as well, because no individual strat can be bulldozed over by a fresh player.

:huh: So half the people come out standing? If you can only play once, the only people you'd face had all ten units, which makes the whole "survival" thing completely irrelevant... Is there something I missed here, like a second round or something?

[Tag Captain]

No, what I meant is that you still keep only the units you had left at the end of the previous "round". The only difference between my idea and your idea is that everyone plays the same number of opponents, so the best player will win as opposed to the player who fights the fewest possible battles.

ie. If there were 8 people in the tourney:

A sees E online and they play, E wins by 5 units (2 knights, cleric and dragon)
B sees H online, B wins by 3 units (knight scout and frost)
D sees E online, but E has already played so they don't play
D then sees C online, they play and D wins by 6 (3 knights, scout, ambusher and wisp)
F sees G online, they play and G wins by 2 (2 knights). First "round" over (everyone has played once).

Players advance: E (5), B (3), D (6), G (2).

Next "round", E sees D online and they play, E wins by 2 units (2 knights)
E then sees B online, but he's already played this round so he doesn't have to accept B's challenge
B then sees G, they play and B wins by 3 (knight scout and frost).

Players advance: B and E.

These two then play in the final round.

This means that at no stage a player who has just played ends up playing someone with 10 units left. B and E were obviously the stronger players, but if E had been forced to play D when he saw him online, he'd probably have lost since he would have started 5 units down.

It just makes it less dependent on when you get challenged and more dependent on actually maintaining units and fighting on a more even footing.

[Geeky_Bastard]

good luck with this LT and to everyone who enters. the brackets sound like a good idea to make it fair

[FryLock]

Botts' idea is a good one. It's much less open to abuse and prevents and "back room deals" whereby a few players conspire to challenge another player until that person is eliminated.

I could be wrong, but the way Botts presents it, it's that there are no official "brackets," just rounds. To advance, you have to play once and only once. If there are an even number of players, it should work out rather neatly, in theory.

This was post 999...

[Lonely Tylenol]

Botts' idea is a good one. It's much less open to abuse and prevents and "back room deals" whereby a few players conspire to challenge another player until that person is eliminated.

I could be wrong, but the way Botts presents it, it's that there are no official "brackets," just rounds. To advance, you have to play once and only once. If there are an even number of players, it should work out rather neatly, in theory.

This was post 999...

Okay, okay. Yeah. I get it.

That does sound a lot better. I think I will use that. :)

Now. I do want to have sixteen people playing, I will have no less than that. Okay?

So, I will have this tournament start on the fifteenth of May, or when sixteen eligible players are in the tournament, whichever occurs later.

[*The Nothing*]

I'll take part in this tourney, and I play on every TAO server known to man, so name the server and place, and time. I'll be there. :)

[finalfantasyt]

EDIT II: Current participants:
1. Lonely Tylenol (Great Lakes)
2. Sub the Hendrix (Great Lakes)
3. .Vash. (?)
4. _Thunder_ (?)
5. Wolf-Boy (Great Lakes)
6. Sanity (Great Lakes)
7. War God (Armageddon)
If I remember correctly, both of them are on Army. :)

[Lonely Tylenol]

Updated. :) Sorry for the delay there.

[Geeky_Bastard]

LT can i sign up on rev, the name's dark alliance there

[Binkpimp]

I'm in. My name is Binkstud!! YESS!

[Lonely Tylenol]

That makes ten.

Neither of you had your primary servers registered with me, but I know geeky_bastard is primarily GL, having seen him around enough.

Binkpimp, just to make sure, what server are you around most? (Or what server is the gold you'll have in?)

[Geeky_Bastard]

LT the gold i have is onlt on rev :(, can i still sign up?

[Lonely Tylenol]

Yes, but I need to know the primary server you occupy, so people can look for you on your regular account on the respective server if they need to look for a match.

I know you're on Great Lakes though, so if anyone needs to contact you for a game, they can look for you on that server. (This is, of course, assuming they decide not to post a request/PM you for a game here.)

[Binkpimp]

I occupy the Armageddon server

[Binkpimp]

Lonely, u really have to get this tourney going , if it even means playing with 10 people. Yes i know it will mess up the fixed stuff about last 2 men standing and crap, but this is taking forever.

[laser y]

Can I be in this tourney please I would be very greatful is I was :)

[CuZGL]

sign me up please...

C u Z - GL

[Binkpimp]

2 more people lonely and we can finely get this tourney started!!
:)

[DARKSMILE]

Why not, im always in for a friendly competition.

Im in.

DARKSMILE2-GL

[choplocker-17]

I'll join, what does the winner get. I'm from great lakes

[Lonely Tylenol]

what does the winner get.

Err, respect? :) I'm afraid I don't have the financial flexibility to offer gold prizes or anything, like cb, sorry, this is pretty much for sport.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Fourteen people participating right now, just two more and we can kick this thing off... Otherwise, I'll be giving someone a "bye" each round.

[princeofdarknes]

im in :eek:

[gotohell]

im pretty new so ill lose in the first round but i luv the idea so sign me up ifd iur short on peole. my screen names shickyshicky. im a gl player

[bobdagangsta]

i want to me in the tourny but it might be toooo late

[DGC]

um...... is there any reward

[finalfantasyt]

um...... is there any reward
Um...he already answered that question. No. :rolleyes:

[Dragoen Link]

LT,ill join,but ull have to clerafy those rules for me when ur on,tell me on msn or somethin.

[2xfire]

this is a OLD thread and it still hasnt started? well im in lol

[Noda]

im in

[MtSlayer]

I'm in.

Morgan Warpath (going it old school) ;)
Great Lakes

[Terps rock]

Idiots look down, there is a thread about it starting...

Then falling on its face.

[Crackerjack]

:) sounds great. count me in will yah.

[Thash500]

Yeah, count me in too, LOL. :cool:
Is it golds only or can greys be in it too????LOL
Is there a prize or something?LOL

[Lonely Tylenol]

This idea died weeks ago because six of the sixteen participants declared they would not be able to participate...

If there's really that much enthusiasm for it, I'll try bring it back at a later date.

[Dark Skull]

Well, if there is a spot left, I'll be in.

[speaker4thedead]

me 2

[tarvos 6]

if and when it comes back, then i will play.

tarvos 6

[Mithrandir]

Is this thing ever gonna get under way?