Dragoen Link is climbing too fast ?

[?cheater?]

Oh come on, this is too good to be true!
Dragoen Link is climbing up the rankings a bit too fast!

Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)

I know, this is a very serious accusation (without any proof), but

he was convicted 'cheating' already a few weeks ago
he isnt THAT good (he lost to people with 1300 points and less)
It just bothers me that i try so hard just to get top 3 once so i can quit tao

Don´t get me wrong:
This post is not about envy (i´d rather see him on #1 than CRX, course he is the much nicer guy), it is about fairplay!
And at the perfect point in time to dispose of this matter once and for all.
So, any opinions?

Ok, now flame me ...

[Thash500]

Do you uhh, got any proof that he cheated???
What do you mean he isnt that good?
he took out 4 BG members(golds) and other top golds.

But hey, still, i can beat him. LOL :cool:

1 more thing, If you are seeing this, Saint, I want you to take out that quotes about me. Get it?

[Rogue_Wolf]

Unless you have proof, you can't suggest that someone has cheated/committed foul play. Posting it on the forums will only get you flamed, and harm your reputation. But you already knew this, which is why you made a fake name to post with.

-Rogue_Wolf

[Terps rock]

Hence the reason for a new account. And yes Dragoen had cheated before...

[Dragoen Link]

I cant bealive this....

[Mithrandir]

This is bull. Next time you accuse someone of a lack of integrity, have some evidence to back it up. Otherwise I will flame the crap out of you. Comprende?

[2xfire]

lol DL its lose-lose either way for u eh? :confused:

[Dragoen Link]

Apparently...

[Revenge]

Yeah, you have to have proof, and besides if you check the rating calculator and put in 1774 and 750 and say you win, you gain no stats. so he couldnt have cheat.I think u are just jelous hes one of the best!

[Spit_101]

Do you uhh, got any proof that he cheated???
What do you mean he isnt that good?
he took out 4 BG members(golds) and other top golds.

But hey, still, i can beat him. LOL:cool:

1 more thing, If you are seeing this, Saint, I want you to take out that quotes about me. Get it?lmao

[Jeffery]

It'd be nice to hear form a Mod who the guy making the thread is for real.....

[Chair_Reloaded]

DL isn't bad. He just isn't that great at rushing. He is an amazing turtler, thats prolbably how he got those stats. There is no proof of him cheating I do not think he would.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)

Hahaha! Oh, this is complete crap!

He lost his war match because he used grey units, but otherwise, he's beaten four BG members.

Plus Ahonuss.

And as I hear he's beaten Tulen, Swata, and others in the late-night, regularly.

I've seen him--if there isn't a gold to fight, he'll fish for games.

That's as close to "cheating" that he gets--fishing, by the way, is legitimate--aside from one said instance, in which he dropped the stats he gained and worked back up.

Just because someone plays a lot doesn't mean they cheat.

Show yourself, coward.

If you think you're such hot shit and you've got all the great scoops, then you can beat either DL or me in a game. Come on, I'll use my grey--it should be more than enough for an underhanded person like yourself.

Go bother Nazgul (an actual cheater)

[Jeffery]

Bullshit, you know he cheats. He uses a cleric to heal his units, and EVERYONE knows thats cheating.

Personally, without PROOF, it is useless to make accusations. And to make a new account to make them is just plain stupid. Whoever it is should have the balls to admit it now.

[Mithrandir]

I second the motion to have this coward's IP checked. I don't know how much work that is but if it isn't too much trouble, I'd appreciate it because they owe DL a serious apology, with their real account.

[Spit_101]

Check his IP. It's probably monkus cuz he got kicked off the top 3 <_<.If you do not understand this joke, please go kill yourself.

[Terps rock]

good thing I can't read black.

[Noda]

wait, link is a turtler? i always thought he was good at rush and not other way around.

but seriusly, im gunna have to add to the flame, ive watched link go up from 1760 to 1800 in a couple hours, he just plays liek crazy and doesnt pussy out when he loses...(unlike me)

hes a good lad, and seriusly it would take just as long to make an account have enough stat so that a 1780 person would gain stat as it owuld to find bad 1400 peeps to play.

links my homie...even if he cant beat me *nudge*

- legit penguin

[allstarGL]

I seriously doubt that link cheated. I would say he is one of the top 10 golds on GL. I think anyone of that skill level can get there stats up by carefully selecting opponents and not getting bad luck. I think if he rushed there is a very slim chance he'd get that high that fast but from what I hear about his turtling skills if he only played turts he could get there easy.

ps- link me and u still need to rematch our turt game that ending in d/c UR GOIN DOWN :)

[?cheater?]

i asked for opinions, i got them ...
Guess my suspicion was wrong!

Sorry Dragoen Link for making wrong accusations!
Now that this is clarified, go for #1.


In rergards to the "coward" talk:
4 negs in the first 10min after starting this thread, was enough reason for me to act p*ssy. I still believe though, that this issue had to be settled.

[Revenge]

ps- link me and u still need to rematch our turt game that ending in d/c UR GOIN DOWN :)
oooooooh!

[bludhoundz]

wait, link is a turtler? i always thought he was good at rush and not other way around.

but seriusly, im gunna have to add to the flame, ive watched link go up from 1760 to 1800 in a couple hours, he just plays liek crazy and doesnt pussy out when he loses...(unlike me)

hes a good lad, and seriusly it would take just as long to make an account have enough stat so that a 1780 person would gain stat as it owuld to find bad 1400 peeps to play.

links my homie...even if he cant beat me *nudge*

- legit penguin
Word. (http://www.crapville.com/funnypics/word.asp)

[Jeffery]

i asked for opinions, i got them ...
Guess my suspicion was wrong!

Sorry Dragoen Link for making wrong accusations!
Now that this is clarified, go for #1.


In rergards to the "coward" talk:
4 negs in the first 10min after starting this thread, was enough reason for me to act p*ssy. I still believe though, that this issue had to be settled.
So your still going to hide behind a second account?

You are a f'ing coward. I hope we can find out who you are, because you deserve to be ostricized from the community for being such a dumbass.

[.Vash.]

Dude Dragoen Link dont cheat, ive beaten him like 2 times I think, but im also a really good palyer, so thats ok, but a noobish person coming on the forums to say he is cheating without any proof is just stupid.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Dl is climbing because he is actually playing. I had 4 games with him so far.

[bludhoundz]

Yeah, DL isn't a cheater, I played him and he showed skill.

[Jeffery]

Thats not proof of not cheating either. *TN* was a good player who cheated quite often.

[Match Strike]

DL just plays more than most people, therefore he rises faster. On Rev we played turts and I beleive I lost by a unit or so, and I hear he's a good freestyler.

Like Jeff said, *TN* was good AND cheated, however *TN* was also a jerk, whereas DL is a nice guy.

[Hatchet Warrior]

I get turt games with him all the time.

[greendaybum5]

have a mod lock this thread....he doesn't cheat he's good, he gets his turtle games and doesn't have to lose to me in freestyle....

[Mithrandir]

I would still appreciate an IP check. I think a public flogging would be inappropriate but I think if nothing else Dragoen Link deserves to know.

[Dragoen Link]

Wow,im impressed on how many friends i have...Thank you u guys,i got like 36 rep points in half a day,all on this thread..lol Im glad that at least SOME people reconize that i play A LOT and that i dont cheat,the closest thing i come to cheating is jumping the odd grey in the middle of the night when there are NO golds on,or golds that i have already beaten earlier that night,for 1 stat..oooo nooo,not 1 stat...lol Thanx again guys.

[Jeffery]

36 points?? Heck, I can almost do that by myself.

[roody poo]

Wow,im impressed on how many friends i have...Thank you u guys,i got like 36 rep points in half a day,all on this thread..lol


Before you get to cocky, stop to think if all these people are here to support you, or are they here to condem "cheater" as a tool?

[Jeffery]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend type thing, eh?

[CRX687]

the closest thing i come to cheating is jumping the odd grey in the middle of the night when there are NO golds on,or golds that i have already beaten earlier that night,for 1 stat..oooo nooo,not 1 stat...lol Thanx again guys.

uhhhh...

word of advice... you should stop with the greys.

Other than that... cheater is a tool... that was quite well put by everyone who got here before me. IP check would be nice...

[Mithrandir]

Yeah, if the only way you can get a game is to jump a grey, do it with a grey account.

[2xfire]

36 points?? Heck, I can almost do that by myself.
lol jeffery u know u want to give me some good rep ;) jk but yea u probably do give about that much in 1 rep

[Primary Target]

Just to give my opinion, Dragoen Link is a talented, long time member, with great sportsmanship. I think he deserves the ranking he has earned, can't really cheat with a rating that high, not to mention someone would have some viable proof, he is always on, and always playing. Go Link, just the fact that people are accusing you of this kind of thing, is a testament to your abilities, musta been someone you burned.

[CRX687]

I still want this ?cheater? IPed...

I already suspect I know who it is... but still... Link deserves to know.

[Twelve]

I mean, I can vouch for the fact that Dragoen is good. I wouldn't quickly accuse him of cheating.

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[Twelve]

.....but after seeing him sit around online and not playing me, I will say that he's a bit afraid now to play anyone that might beat him.

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[Dragoen Link]

LIKE I SAID A MILLION TIMES ALREADY!!!This week i am fishing for the the lower rank golds,i admite it and ive said it a million times,as soon as i get #1 once,ill be playing anyone !!12 bring it!!On friday ur going down,you think since you beat me once that your so talented?What im doing right now is called ACHEVING my goal,that ive had ever since i became gold!Im sick of all you guys saying that im afraid when ive played all of you,any style even tho most of you want free style because you all know its my weak point!Twelve,how about you turtle me and show some real skill eh??Have fun flaming me,but you cant stop me.The people that play me regularely know that i am not just some newb thats always fishing for low rank players,i play the high ranked players when im chanllenged and have time to play,just now a days,now that im so close,i just want to make sure that i make it,is that so wrong?? :dry:

Edit: Pfff,and you honestly think id join netjak after how youve been treating me?Two words:You Wish!

[Twelve]

LIKE I SAID A MILLION TIMES ALREADY!!!This week i am fishing for the the lower rank golds,i admite it and ive said it a million times,as soon as i get #1 once,ill be playing anyone !!12 bring it!!On friday ur going down,you think since you beat me once that your so talented?What im doing right now is called ACHEVING my goal,that ive had ever since i became gold!Im sick of all you guys saying that im afraid when ive played all of you,any style even tho most of you want free style because you all know its my weak point!Twelve,how about you turtle me and show some real skill eh??Have fun flaming me,but you cant stop me.The people that play me regularely know that i am not just some newb thats always fishing for low rank players,i play the high ranked players when im chanllenged and have time to play,just now a days,now that im so close,i just want to make sure that i make it,is that so wrong?? :dry:

Edit: Pfff,and you honestly think id join netjak after how youve been treating me?Two words:You Wish!

Dang...looks like I pressed the WRONG button. :p

(Oh, and if asking you for a game is treating you poorly, then yep...you're defintely not netjak material. Thanx for making at least THAT clear.)

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[Dragoen Link]

Good,at least you guys will stop bothering me to join.Its not that u asked me for a game,its cause you asked me for a game and i said no because im in a war and im waiting for someone to play me a war game that im expecting,and then you call me a poussy...thats treating me poorly..

[Twelve]

Good,at least you guys will stop bothering me to join.Its not that u asked me for a game,its cause you asked me for a game and i said no because im in a war and im waiting for someone to play me a war game that im expecting,and then you call me a poussy...thats treating me poorly..

Oh, now you're making things up. I've never called anything but the real item a "poussy"(assuming you spelled it wrong for the sake of the young here). And in that case, it's supposed to be a compliment.

I did say that you were scared, however...and that's called gentle jabbing. No need for you to come here and cry like this. You can't expect people for not respecting your quest to be number one without truly earning it.

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[Dragoen Link]

Poussy/Coward same thing!

[Twelve]

Poussy/Coward same thing!

Not in my mind.

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[Dragoen Link]

ANyyywwaaysss,i WOULD be nice to find out who made this thread.

[Twelve]

And please note that I was giving you the benefit of the doubt about cheating...still don't think you're a cheater but I will say what I feel.

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[_Darkness_]

Hey, I know You are not a cheater, you definatly have my support, I want to find out who this ?cheater? is, but even If I dont DL definatly deservs to know.

[Realist]

The ip of the thread author matches none other; however, the two ips he is using are located far enough from one another to perhaps suggest the use of a proxy.

[2xfire]

hmmmm, smart or just too stupid?

[Lonely Tylenol]

Trust me guys, if there's anyone online enough to know what's going on, it'd be me. :p

Seeing all the people Dragoen has beaten, and keeping updates on the site every day or two (or six, in the most recent case) that involve a member list WITH ranking, I'd have to say the pace he has been climbing at is rather moderate for someone who spends so much time in battle.

PROOF he doesn't cheat--a memory log of the site updates... In this here noggin.

No benefit of the doubt for me... That's all the proof I need.

Let's put the issue of whether or not Dragoen cheats to rest on that note.

Dragoen, chill.

Twelve, might as well just leave Dragoen be for now. As much as I dislike guarding one's stats (even though I always seem to be on the defense when someone brings it up), Dragoen's only one point away from Crx. What's the harm in waiting a few days? Then you and everyone else can play him, and lose/gain your stats a-plenty.

With all due respects to the participants, I would like to see this thread die young. May it only be revived when we've found this ?cheater?'s IP.

~Tylenol

EDIT:

I just realized Dragoen's mention of Netjak has nothing to do with them trying to recruit him. Edited out of respect for netjak.com's leaders. Yes, I have respect for them; I just don't much like them.

EDIT II:

The ip of the thread author matches none other; however, the two ips he is using are located far enough from one another to perhaps suggest the use of a proxy.

Who's "none other"?...

Oh, the IP he uses is separate from any other forum users'?

[CRX687]

With all due respects to the participants, I would like to see this thread die young. May it only be revived when we've found this ?cheater?'s IP.


Eh, we've already checked IP, and it shows he used a proxy... but no matter...

I'm 99% certain who it is now... I gave my reasons... well, not really, just showed the thread to wayf and told him DL is a player from GL who's rising fast... and which clans are in the war the "?cheater?" mentioned... and wayf came to the same conclusion I have right away... I gave my reasoning to 2x and he got it too.

LT's not gonna like who I suspect (as in he wont' believe me)...

All I can say to ?cheater? is: I know who you are, your writing style and knowledge is distinct enough to make it obvious. I also know you'll come back to read this thread. However much I disagree with Link's playing style, you two have a lot in common... if what he's doing makes him a cheater, so are you. Link is NOT a cheater, in fact, he'd probably beat you in your precious "turtle" game. You know what I think of you. Wayf, 2x, and I will not tell anyone else who our hunch is, but you should be ashamed for being a hippocrite.

[Wayfaerer]

The plot thickens!

[CRX687]

The plot thickens!

WTF happened to your pimpin banner?

[Mithrandir]

Dang CRX, I'm glad I'm not YOUR enemy. :eek:

Very nice post though.

[Thash500]

Can you guys give more clue about who this "?cheater?" guy really is?
I really want to know so as others.
Just a bit more clue and I might know who this guy is.............
Please. :cool:

[2xfire]

nope

[CRX687]

Can you guys give more clue about who this "?cheater?" guy really is?
I really want to know so as others.
Just a bit more clue and I might know who this guy is.............
Please. :cool:

?cheater? only made on post... it's not that hard to tell where we figured it our from... look for yourself.

[Mithrandir]

You forgot to put [/teaser] at the end of your post. ;)

[Dragoen Link]

Oh come on, this is too good to be true!
Dragoen Link is climbing up the rankings a bit too fast!

Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)

I know, this is a very serious accusation (without any proof), but

he was convicted 'cheating' already a few weeks ago
he isnt THAT good (he lost to people with 1300 points and less)



It just bothers me that i try so hard just to get top 3 once so i can quit tao

Don´t get me wrong:
This post is not about envy (i´d rather see him on #1 than CRX, course he is the much nicer guy), it is about fairplay!
And at the perfect point in time to dispose of this matter once and for all.
So, any opinions?

Ok, now flame me ...

Hmmm,so who hates crx and who would get angry at me for getting to top 3 and quitting(witch im not planning on doing)...this is getting easier and easier to figure out...i wont get into detail....;)

[allstarGL]

Hmmm,so who hates crx and who would get angry at me for getting to top 3 and quitting(witch im not planning on doing)...this is getting easier and easier to figure out...i wont get into detail....;)
please do go into detail thats what the forum is for ;)

[Thash500]

please do go into detail thats what the forum is for
LOL :cool:
And all I need is one clue:
About ?cheater?' s real name, does it consist of 2 words??? :bad:
yes or no?

[Dragoen Link]

Look through old forums and try to find out :) im not going to make acusations if im not 100% certain.

[Merdoc.]

jeff if i may ask how many rep points do you have?

[Jeffery]

2100+

[CRX687]

Hmmm,so who hates crx and who would get angry at me for getting to top 3 and quitting(witch im not planning on doing)...this is getting easier and easier to figure out...i wont get into detail....;)

I did it first! :p

so now that brings the same-conclusion list to 5 people. :cool:

This is even better than TV!

[Shiny Flors]

I bet crx made the first post. And now all his posts are to try and confuse everyone. Not really, but I bet this will confuse some more people. :)

[Dragoen Link]

I did it first! :p

so now that brings the same-conclusion list to 5 people. :cool:

This is even better than TV!

Should we say who it is to tell the WORLD!! :p

Unless he comes and apologieses to me...

[Cavour]

I bet it was Bills! :eek:

[steve12]

That's pretty interesting, I wonder who it is too..... But they must really be a puss if they can't come right out and say it.. Anyway, you guys, Dragoen Link doesn't cheat. I have never observed him cheating and I have seen him beat many great players. He is a wicked great player of TAO and should be remembered as one of the best. :cool2:

[Thash500]

My rep points is -48 :D

And okay, I admit ?cheater? was me, Thash.lol
Now, Crx, would you tell us who you though ?cheater? was at first?
You must be an idiot to believe what I just said.

[?cheater?]

im not going to make acusations if im not 100% certainGood, indication of intelligence!
I did it nevertheless, because i just cant be online 24/7 to check who you are playing. And i needed some opinions on that issue.
I am still surprised though, that nobody objected your "gray fishing" argument, coz thats complete bull. As if there were dozens of 1200 grays on late-night, just waiting for you to sit down and fish. All you would get while sitting at an empty table is myriads of 600-800 noobs jumping you.

But, however, i saw your opponents in the last days, and that convinced me, that my suspicion is probably wrong. Additionally every half-decent player rallied behind you in this thread.
I apologized already and to me that´s it. And i think you should leave it at that too, after all this thread was the best thing, which could have happened to you.


So your still going to hide behind a second account? You are a f'ing coward. I hope we can find out who you are, because you deserve to be ostricized from the community for being such a dumbass.And you´re a f'ing clown.
By the way, how many people in this "community" know your real name?
And on a little side note, it´s ostracized, dumbass.


To all the wannabe Miss Marples:
This is even better than TV!Omg! I´m glad that i gave you a puzzle for your boring life, but you dont know sh*t.
You never gonna find out who i am, you´re just embarassing yourself while making false accusations.
"writing style and knowledge", huh? That made me laugh most of all.
Smart ass, you´re wrong in every aspect except one: of course i came back to read this, after all i asked for opinions, right?
I am sorry for the guys that will be suspected, though. But this is neither my problem, nor is it my fault.


One last thing:
Whoever the mod releasing my IPs is, dude, i hope you´re gonna burn for this one day!
I dont care that the IPs were fake, you still did something absolutely unacceptable.
(by the way, greetings from UK this time, so dont bother looking into the log files again)
After all, i wasnt commiting cc fraud or anything like this. I just posted my opinion.
And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country, which imho includes anonymous writers!
Dude, you definitely overused your power, and one day, when i find the time, you´ll be judged for that!

Good fight, good night!

[Thash500]

Okay, since this guy wont tell, I will guess who this ?cheater? is right now.
Now everyone, post who you though this ?cheater? guy is RIGHT NOW!!! :cool:Man, why would OR wouldnt anyone suspect it was me, damn,lol

[allstarGL]

Okay, since this guy wont tell, I will guess who this ?cheater? is right now.
Now everyone, post who you though this ?cheater? guy is RIGHT NOW!!! :cool:Man, why would OR wouldnt anyone suspect it was me, damn,lol
uhhh UR MOMMA. I have some people in mind but im not about to blurt out my opinions which are most likely unaccurate anyway. You can't just go accusing everyone without proof

[legolas77]

My rep points is -48 :D

And okay, I admit ?cheater? was me, Thash.lol
Now, Crx, would you tell us who you though ?cheater? was at first?
You must be an idiot to believe what I just said.

THEN ...


Okay, since this guy wont tell, I will guess who this ?cheater? is right now.
Now everyone, post who you though this ?cheater? guy is RIGHT NOW!!! :cool:Man, why would OR wouldnt anyone suspect it was me, damn,lol

You Need to See a Shrink FAST.

[Spit_101]

You Need to See a Shrink FAST.Very true. *calls up shrink for apointment for Thash*

[Realist]

One last thing:
Whoever the mod releasing my IPs is, dude, i hope you´re gonna burn for this one day!
I dont care that the IPs were fake, you still did something absolutely unacceptable.
(by the way, greetings from UK this time, so dont bother looking into the log files again)
After all, i wasnt commiting cc fraud or anything like this. I just posted my opinion.
And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country, which imho includes anonymous writers!

1. I didn't "release" your ips, I merely mentioned my suspicions that they were proxies.
2. TAO is a business, there is no right to freedom of speech here.

[Twelve]

Good, indication of intelligence!
I did it nevertheless, because i just cant be online 24/7 to check who you are playing. And i needed some opinions on that issue.
I am still surprised though, that nobody objected your "gray fishing" argument, coz thats complete bull. As if there were dozens of 1200 grays on late-night, just waiting for you to sit down and fish. All you would get while sitting at an empty table is myriads of 600-800 noobs jumping you.

But, however, i saw your opponents in the last days, and that convinced me, that my suspicion is probably wrong. Additionally every half-decent player rallied behind you in this thread.
I apologized already and to me that´s it. And i think you should leave it at that too, after all this thread was the best thing, which could have happened to you.


And you´re a f'ing clown.
By the way, how many people in this "community" know your real name?
And on a little side note, it´s ostracized, dumbass.


To all the wannabe Miss Marples:
Omg! I´m glad that i gave you a puzzle for your boring life, but you dont know sh*t.
You never gonna find out who i am, you´re just embarassing yourself while making false accusations.
"writing style and knowledge", huh? That made me laugh most of all.
Smart ass, you´re wrong in every aspect except one: of course i came back to read this, after all i asked for opinions, right?
I am sorry for the guys that will be suspected, though. But this is neither my problem, nor is it my fault.


One last thing:
Whoever the mod releasing my IPs is, dude, i hope you´re gonna burn for this one day!
I dont care that the IPs were fake, you still did something absolutely unacceptable.
(by the way, greetings from UK this time, so dont bother looking into the log files again)
After all, i wasnt commiting cc fraud or anything like this. I just posted my opinion.
And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country, which imho includes anonymous writers!
Dude, you definitely overused your power, and one day, when i find the time, you´ll be judged for that!

Good fight, good night!

Wow. Well, he's an adult and he's got some interesting opinions. But "judged"? My man is trying to get religious too...

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[CRX687]

To all the wannabe Miss Marples:
Omg! I´m glad that i gave you a puzzle for your boring life, but you dont know sh*t.
You never gonna find out who i am, you´re just embarassing yourself while making false accusations.
"writing style and knowledge", huh? That made me laugh most of all.
Smart ass, you´re wrong in every aspect except one: of course i came back to read this, after all i asked for opinions, right?
I am sorry for the guys that will be suspected, though. But this is neither my problem, nor is it my fault.


Yes, thank you for puzzling my life.

I already know who you are, and In case you haven't noticed, I'm one of the reasons no one has called you out by now.

I wasn't 100% certain before, but this bitterness... wow... so perfectly representational of you. Kinda like old times :cool:

I have to say you overestimate yourself. NO ONE will be suspected except for you. When you tried this shit with the nj private forums, you made the mistake of trying to rub it in my face. I know you're smart enough with the proxies, and now this post has erased all doubts in my mind who you are.

Sporkin. ;)

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

CRX, would that be a clue you left?

[2xfire]

LOL this thread has turned into a game. :cool: ..... first to guess gets a shrub avater :wacko:

[Twelve]

Yes, thank you for puzzling my life.

I already know who you are, and In case you haven't noticed, I'm one of the reasons no one has called you out by now.

I wasn't 100% certain before, but this bitterness... wow... so perfectly representational of you. Kinda like old times :cool:

I have to say you overestimate yourself. NO ONE will be suspected except for you. When you tried this shit with the nj private forums, you made the mistake of trying to rub it in my face. I know you're smart enough with the proxies, and now this post has erased all doubts in my mind who you are.

Sporkin. ;)

This is why I love this kid on my side. :)

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[CRX687]

LOL this thread has turned into a game. :cool: ..... first to guess gets a shrub avater :wacko:

This is even more fun than actually playing TAO... I have complete understanding of warcow's situation now. Cows is pretty smart.

[Wayfaerer]

This ?cheater? fellow is a pretty saucy individual :cool:

[Geeky_Bastard]

hes been here a while at least, long winded bastard :rolleyes:

[steve12]

I know who it is too... Can I say who it is? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaase? :p

[Dragoen Link]

Sonner or later...he will sell himself out...even if we say who it is..he will denie it.

[Cavour]

I bet that Dragoen Link character is ?cheater? ! :mad:

[2xfire]

I bet that Dragoen Link character is ?cheater? ! :mad:

dont tell everyone! ;)

[Dragoen Link]

Damn you got me...Do i get banned now?? :wacko:

[Primary Target]

Banned and publicly flogged for your ineptitude. :p

[Dragoen Link]

Heh,looks like theres quite a few ppl that figured it out..hehe,you better whatch it ?cheater?,one day someone will spit out ur name in the lobby and then ur screwed....

[Dragoen Link]

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6167/monkusbingo5ee.jpg

[steve12]

BINGO!!!

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6167/monkusbingo5ee.jpg

.....No way, that isn't possible man.... :eek: :eek: :confused:

[legolas77]

Wow. I am Chocked ;)

[Cavour]

Yeah, cause SpliFF would definitely know for sure. Why don't you get some proof before pinning shit on people? Way to be dicks though. Really.

[Swartzstrom]

Cav, you're mean. :D

[Cavour]

Cav, you're mean. :D
Nah, I just don't take kindly to morons accusing my friends of shit they have no proof for. It's a really nice indication of stupidity though. Classic.

[Primary Target]

*cough* whore *cough*


Ok not really. Cavy-w00 r0xx0rs my s0xx0rs. Can always count on him to stand up for an upstanding member (that sounded cool, heh)

[bludhoundz]

I truly doubt that it is monkus.

[Primary Target]

Ummm Thash5000 admitted to being ?cheater?.... so why does everyone think its monkus????

[Primary Target]

My rep points is -48 :D

And okay, I admit ?cheater? was me, Thash.lol
Now, Crx, would you tell us who you though ?cheater? was at first?
You must be an idiot to believe what I just said.


^^

[Lonely Tylenol]

Ummm Thash5000 admitted to being ?cheater?.... so why does everyone think its monkus????

Heheheh...

You must be an idiot to believe what I just said.

[Primary Target]

Nuh-uh.... shoulda highlighted.... lmao.... guess that makes me a ddddddumbass!

Moreso.... who the f00k writes in black, what a kak.

[monkus]

First of all, my last name is Sporkin. I'm quite curious as to how you got this crx, and I would like to know if you're stalking me. I also think it's entirely disrespectful to post someone's personal information on the forums. I may have signed my goodbye post with it, but your lack of integrity is despising.

Second, this is the first time I've even heard of this accusation, as I've been working full time at a camp. What I find most interesting is that you are making unfounded accusations at ME because you think an unfounded accusation made by ?Cheater? (whom i totally disagree with, by the way) is wrong. And yet you call me a hypocrite? Anyone who has accused me without proof (which you'll find none, I'm not cheater) is a complete hypocrite, and has lost all my respect. I respected Dragoen Link highly, and never thought for a second that he cheated. However, I have lost all respect for him for his unfounded and untrue accusations at me.

On Saturday, at the time ?Cheater? posted, I was at the beach with some friends. Also, on the second time ?Cheater? posted, I was at work, at a camp, with no access or time to visit this website. I can have them (my friends and/or my supervisors) verify if you want, but I would hope such hypocrites can't sway your opinions to the absurd degree that you actually need proof without giving me the benefit of the doubt, of which you all gave Dragoen Link after this ridiculous accusation.

I can assure you all I am not ?Cheater?. I also think that those who accused me are clearly at fault, and I deserve an apology by them.

[legolas77]

Nuh-uh.... shoulda highlighted.... lmao.... guess that makes me a ddddddumbass!

Moreso.... who the f00k writes in black, what a kak.

Answer: A person in need of mental help that is who :dry:

[CRX687]

First of all, my last name is Sporkin. I'm quite curious as to how you got this crx, and I would like to know if you're stalking me. I also think it's entirely disrespectful to post someone's personal information on the forums. I may have signed my goodbye post with it, but your lack of integrity is despising.

Second, this is the first time I've even heard of this accusation, as I've been working full time at a camp. What I find most interesting is that you are making unfounded accusations at ME because you think an unfounded accusation made by ?Cheater? (whom i totally disagree with, by the way) is wrong. And yet you call me a hypocrite? Anyone who has accused me without proof (which you'll find none, I'm not cheater) is a complete hypocrite, and has lost all my respect. I respected Dragoen Link highly, and never thought for a second that he cheated. However, I have lost all respect for him for his unfounded and untrue accusations at me.

On Saturday, at the time ?Cheater? posted, I was at the beach with some friends. Also, on the second time ?Cheater? posted, I was at work, at a camp, with no access or time to visit this website. I can have them (my friends and/or my supervisors) verify if you want, but I would hope such hypocrites can't sway your opinions to the absurd degree that you actually need proof without giving me the benefit of the doubt, of which you all gave Dragoen Link after this ridiculous accusation.

I can assure you all I am not ?Cheater?. I also think that those who accused me are clearly at fault, and I deserve an apology by them.

First of all... I never connected sporkin to you... posting a random name on the internet... in this case as the name of ?cheater? is notgiving out YOUR perosonal info..

My name is ray... does that mean people are giving out my personal info each time they say "ray"?

Monkus, you were NOT away those days... because you were on AIM at the time... Philly and spliff SAW you on... Philly CHALLENGED you... And we all ahve seen you play greys.

I find it strange... that you automatically single me out as the accuser after a number of people did it. Am I even IN the clan that's been made about you? No... yet I'm the one that accused you? Any chance you get to point out my flaw... right monkus?

[Kyir]

crx, I think right now you and whoever else saw monk are spewing compleate bullshit, there isnt a reason monkus would lie about it, and I dont see monkus as the type of person who would accuse without evidance, but, I might be wrong :confused:

[monkus]

First of all... I never connected sporkin to you... posting a random name on the internet... in this case as the name of ?cheater? is notgiving out YOUR perosonal info..

My name is ray... does that mean people are giving out my personal info each time they say "ray"?

Monkus, you were NOT away those days... because you were on AIM at the time... Philly and spliff SAW you on... Philly CHALLENGED you... And we all ahve seen you play greys.

I find it strange... that you automatically single me out as the accuser after a number of people did it. Am I even IN the clan that's been made about you? No... yet I'm the one that accused you? Any chance you get to point out my flaw... right monkus?

You posted my last name online before anyone else started accusing me, and you wonder why i'm targetting you? Plus, ray is not a distinct last name; Sporkin is. There are no sporkins in the world that I am not related to, and even so, only about 10-20 sporkins in total. Therefore, you clearly targetted me early on, even if you made it somewhat discrete.

Meanwhile, you're argument does have a flaw. Yesterday, I certainly wasn't on AIM until about 5 or 6, because that's when I get home from work. The post was made at 1:33. I can get all 5 of my supervisors to confirm that I couldn't have possibly gone on the forums at 1:33. Point out the flaw in that argument, crx.

Spliff is a low coward who would sell his soul to take a hit at me. It's useless to attack his actions, everyone already knows him for the scum he is. Dragoen Link I've already expressed my anger at, and I certainly don't intend on ever considering him in a positive light ever again.

Edit:
By the way, I was invited into a chatroom to talk with crx by lonelytylenol; he left. I talked to him online, and he blocked me. Why would a man who is so confident in his stance avoid discussing it in the private realm like real men? He's avoiding me because he knows i'm right. otherwise he'd be perfectly willing to prove me wrong in private, where no one else needs stand by our fights. Instead, he avoids me in private, while making half-assed arguments on the forums and hoping people believe him.

[CRX687]

You posted my last name online before anyone else started accusing me, and you wonder why i'm targetting you? Plus, ray is not a distinct last name; Sporkin is. There are no sporkins in the world that I am not related to, and even so, only about 10-20 sporkins in total. Therefore, you clearly targetted me early on, even if you made it somewhat discrete.

Meanwhile, you're argument does have a flaw. Yesterday, I certainly wasn't on AIM until about 5 or 6, because that's when I get home from work. The post was made at 1:33. I can get all 5 of my supervisors to confirm that I couldn't have possibly gone on the forums at 1:33. Point out the flaw in that argument, crx.

Spliff is a low coward who would sell his soul to take a hit at me. It's useless to attack his actions, everyone already knows him for the scum he is. Dragoen Link I've already expressed my anger at, and I certainly don't intend on ever considering him in a positive light ever again.

Edit:
By the way, I was invited into a chatroom to talk with crx by lonelytylenol; he left. I talked to him online, and he blocked me. Why would a man who is so confident in his stance avoid discussing it in the private realm like real men? He's avoiding me because he knows i'm right. otherwise he'd be perfectly willing to prove me wrong in private, where no one else needs stand by our fights. Instead, he avoids me in private, while making half-assed arguments on the forums and hoping people believe him.

One thing you didn't mention is that I made NO connections to you whatsoever... you could've just ignored it and no one would've ever connected you with this.

ALso, Everyone here can READ the first post I made... I ddin't refer to you or sporkin in ANY way... I only did so AFTER ?cheater? replied AND many other knew and called you out.

I'm avoiding you because you have a tendency to spam people's AIM's... Spliff and philly can both vouch for that. You think I'm avoiding you? we can take EVERYTHING we have to say.. IN PUBLIC... Why do you have to engage me in private? Just post all your questions about my reasoning in these forums... make another accusation thread if you have to...

Kyir... Monkus makes his own reasons for accusing people...Just being in my clan seems to be a prime reason by him:
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13902
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14443
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14600
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16081
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16477

case closed.

[Lonely Tylenol]

ALso, Everyone here can READ the first post I made... I ddin't refer to you or sporkin in ANY way... I only did so AFTER ?cheater? replied AND many other knew and called you out.

Quoted from page 5:

Yes, thank you for puzzling my life.

I already know who you are, and In case you haven't noticed, I'm one of the reasons no one has called you out by now.

I wasn't 100% certain before, but this bitterness... wow... so perfectly representational of you. Kinda like old times

I have to say you overestimate yourself. NO ONE will be suspected except for you. When you tried this shit with the nj private forums, you made the mistake of trying to rub it in my face. I know you're smart enough with the proxies, and now this post has erased all doubts in my mind who you are.

Sporkin.

OOH! FINAL WORD IN THE POST IS SPORKIN.

How contradictory.

[Kyir]

that dosnt close the case by any means, considering your attention to these posts I might say your coviering your balls and you're ?cheater?

[CRX687]

Quoted from page 5:



OOH! FINAL WORD IN THE POST IS SPORKIN.

How contradictory.

you forget that my first post wasn't on page 5... check a couple pages beforehand.

Ky... those threads didn't close the case with monkus... it was a reply to your statement about him not accusing anyone without proof. If you're going to say I am really ?cheater?... there's no way I can truly refute it.. I can get all the witnesses from work that I can.. but they can always be faked. Neither can i prove 100% that monkus is ?cheater?... hence... I never accused him directly... i could've called him out, that would've been an accusation... but I mentioned a name that only he would get if it was really him, and if he simply didn't post, no one would've known with the exception of monkus' close friends whom he could've easily talked to and convinced otehrwise.

As for me Being cheater... You guys can believe what you want, but Link knows I wouldn't do that.

[monkus]

My god! I've called out a bunch of people for rushing in turtle games, and I once admitted to not playing netjakers! Clearly this is infallible proof. Actually, this isn't proof at all. What you're doing is trying to shift opinions, not provide facts. These posts show absolutely nothing at all about this case; you're simply trying to cast me in a bad light to get people on your side. You still haven't told me how I could've posted when I was busy helping kids play capture the flag in the middle of a slippery field (slipped once, bruised my leg and made a fool of myself. That wasn't pretty).
I don't spam people on AIm. In fact, the instant message I sent to you was as follows:
Monkus2k: Tell me, how can you possibly feel okay about making an accusation supported by no facts whatsoever besides this strange notion that no one in the world out of 6 billion people can come close to duplicating my forum style.
If you want things in the public, that's fine too. Your justification for accusing me was that I had once posted on the netjak forums (not quite possible, considering I don't have the password to them), and that I sent jeffery an e-mail anonymously (which I also have never done. The only e-mail i've ever sent jeffery was one telling him that I wanted to join the gold union). Your other "perfectly logical reason" was that ?Cheater?'s posting style somewhat resembled mine, which clearly implicates me. You're a hypocrite for making countless unfounded accusations on me. I made one, against OtheDefender. It was a huge mistake. I would never do it again. I apologized, and he forgave me. I've done nothing else wrong. You have. Now i'm not going to check this ridiculous post for awhile, because I want to go watch dawn of the dead, which i rented from blockbuster. i hear it's quite good.

[Match Strike]

Wow, he type long posts, so he must be monkus!

Great deductive reasoning there crx, Sherlock Holmes would be proud.

Your accusations are still baseless. Chances are we will never know who ?cheater? is, but I do know that you have long been resentful towards monkus, as he has to you. This is NOT an adequate reason to blame him. Not only has ?cheater? admitted to being somewhat wrong about DL, the whole of TAO has come out on his (DL's) side, meaning you are simply persuing this out of dislike of monkus, and you feel that it is great to go after him this way.

DL, drop it. Everyone was on your side, until you accused monkus, now you've turned that support into resentment from many respected TAO players. I still don't think you are a cheater, but my respect for you has declined considerably. Not as a player, but because of all this crap that you and crx have dredged up.

[xerent]

I think you're all a bit too worked up over something so silly.

[CRX687]

My god! I've called out a bunch of people for rushing in turtle games, and I once admitted to not playing netjakers! Clearly this is infallible proof. Actually, this isn't proof at all. What you're doing is trying to shift opinions, not provide facts. These posts show absolutely nothing at all about this case; you're simply trying to cast me in a bad light to get people on your side. You still haven't told me how I could've posted when I was busy helping kids play capture the flag in the middle of a slippery field (slipped once, bruised my leg and made a fool of myself. That wasn't pretty).
I don't spam people on AIm. In fact, the instant message I sent to you was as follows:

If you want things in the public, that's fine too. Your justification for accusing me was that I had once posted on the netjak forums (not quite possible, considering I don't have the password to them), and that I sent jeffery an e-mail anonymously (which I also have never done. The only e-mail i've ever sent jeffery was one telling him that I wanted to join the gold union). Your other "perfectly logical reason" was that ?Cheater?'s posting style somewhat resembled mine, which clearly implicates me. You're a hypocrite for making countless unfounded accusations on me. I made one, against OtheDefender. It was a huge mistake. I would never do it again. I apologized, and he forgave me. I've done nothing else wrong. You have. Now i'm not going to check this ridiculous post for awhile, because I want to go watch dawn of the dead, which i rented from blockbuster. i hear it's quite good.

which part of... I DIDN'T ACCUSE YOU ... do you not understand? I mentioned one name at the end, which I thought, if it was you... would turn on some sparks... but NO ONE else with the exception of your close friends (ie... berz/cav/ach)... would get... If you didn't do it... it would've been easy enough for you to just ignore it... act over, nothing done to anyone's reps.

Do you see me going... ?cheater? is monkus? i ddint' even tell link that. He messaged me... with "are you thinking what I'm thinking?"...

[Match Strike]

which part of... I DIDN'T ACCUSE YOU ... do you not understand? I mentioned one name at the end, which I thought, if it was you... would turn on some sparks... but NO ONE else with the exception of your close friends (ie... berz/cav/ach)... would get... If you didn't do it... it would've been easy enough for you to just ignore it... act over, nothing done to anyone's reps.

Do you see me going... ?cheater? is monkus? i ddint' even tell link that. He messaged me... with "are you thinking what I'm thinking?"...
This reminds me of the plight of a current Bush administration offical. In fact, the parallels are astonishing.

Karl Rove claims he did not out Valerie Plaim (sp?) because He said "Joseph Wilson's wife." Obviously, that's rather weak, because Joeseph Wislon only has one wife.

crx ended a post with monkus' last name, but claims that doesn't mean he was blaming monkus.

Bulshit, crx. Excuse me for not using PG13 language, if I wasn't.

[CRX687]

This reminds me of the plight of a current Bush administration offical. In fact, the parallels are astonishing.

Karl Rove claims he did not out Valerie Plaim (sp?) because He said "Joseph Wilson's wife." Obviously, that's rather weak, because Joeseph Wislon only has one wife.

crx ended a post with monkus' last name, but claims that doesn't mean he was blaming monkus.

Bulshit, crx. Excuse me for not using PG13 language, if I wasn't.

Rove says "Wilson's wife"... EVERYONE else knew who that was.

I say 'sporkin'... with no references to monkus in any way... tell me... who else, other than monkus and his close friends, knew that?

[monkus]

which part of... I DIDN'T ACCUSE YOU ... do you not understand? I mentioned one name at the end, which I thought, if it was you... would turn on some sparks... but NO ONE else with the exception of your close friends (ie... berz/cav/ach)... would get... If you didn't do it... it would've been easy enough for you to just ignore it... act over, nothing done to anyone's reps.

Do you see me going... ?cheater? is monkus? i ddint' even tell link that. He messaged me... with "are you thinking what I'm thinking?"...


Justify this:


Yes, thank you for puzzling my life.

I already know who you are, and In case you haven't noticed, I'm one of the reasons no one has called you out by now.

I wasn't 100% certain before, but this bitterness... wow... so perfectly representational of you. Kinda like old times

I have to say you overestimate yourself. NO ONE will be suspected except for you. When you tried this shit with the nj private forums, you made the mistake of trying to rub it in my face. I know you're smart enough with the proxies, and now this post has erased all doubts in my mind who you are.

Sporkin.

I wouldn't have seen your last post if that stupid wayfaerer hadn't been annoying me on aim, not letting me watch my movie (jk wayf, you're great man lol), but for gods sake. You hint in every way you know who it is (and you quite clearly indicate you're thinking of me), then you give out my last name, accuse me of something ELSE I didn't do on the nj private forums, which I don't have access to (Actually, when I originally read this thread earlier today, after reading your post, I said "Wow, phew, he isn't accusing me, because i have no access to the nj forums." then i read my last name), and then you give exactly that, my last name. If people believed you before, I hope they see you for what you really are now. A liar. You CLEAR AS DAY contradicted yourself. You said you never accused me.

"I know you're smart enough with the proxies, and now this post has erased all doubts in my mind who you are.

Sporkin. "

There is NO WAY in ANY SENSE OF THE WORLD that this can't be an accusation. It's definitively an accusation. You said what you thought I was and you gave my real name. It's an accusation. Don't try to get out of this now. I clearly deserve an apology for the hassle you've put me through.

Now onto dawn of the dead.

edit: everyone can find out who "sporkin" is, in the same way you found out. I signed a post that way. Basically, you're accusing everyone on TAO of being less intelligent than you are for not being able to find out what sporkin means (and surely they'd try, considering this is such a strange comment to end a post with), or you're lying again. Make up your mind.

[Match Strike]

Rove says "Wilson's wife"... EVERYONE else knew who that was.

I say 'sporkin'... with no references to monkus in any way... tell me... who else, other than monkus and his close friends, knew that?
Who knew who Wislon's wife was before the leak?

Certainly not me, but I do now, as do most people in the U.S.

Likewise, I didn't know previously that Sporkin was monk's last name before this debacle, but I sure do now.

[CRX687]

Justify this:




I wouldn't have seen your last post if that stupid wayfaerer hadn't been annoying me on aim, not letting me watch my movie (jk wayf, you're great man lol), but for gods sake. You hint in every way you know who it is (and you quite clearly indicate you're thinking of me), then you give out my last name, accuse me of something ELSE I didn't do on the nj private forums, which I don't have access to (Actually, when I originally read this thread earlier today, after reading your post, I said "Wow, phew, he isn't accusing me, because i have no access to the nj forums." then i read my last name), and then you give exactly that, my last name. If people believed you before, I hope they see you for what you really are now. A liar. You CLEAR AS DAY contradicted yourself. You said you never accused me.

"I know you're smart enough with the proxies, and now this post has erased all doubts in my mind who you are.

Sporkin. "

There is NO WAY in ANY SENSE OF THE WORLD that this can't be an accusation. It's definitively an accusation. You said what you thought I was and you gave my real name. It's an accusation. Don't try to get out of this now. I clearly deserve an apology for the hassle you've put me through.

Now onto dawn of the dead.

edit: everyone can find out who "sporkin" is, in the same way you found out. I signed a post that way. Basically, you're accusing everyone on TAO of being less intelligent than you are for not being able to find out what sporkin means (and surely they'd try, considering this is such a strange comment to end a post with), or you're lying again. Make up your mind.

lol, no you did not have access to the NJ forums... that's why you IMed me and whined about my reffering to you as "monknub" in one of the posts...
:rolleyes:

No, I found out because you TOLD me.

Before that post, DL also did the same thing, saying he knew. After I made that post, people began PMing us about who they suspected... would you like the list? It included myself and allstar and zzz and a TON of others just as much as it did you.

I did NOT give away who you were. If you hadn't noticed, the people were still just as puzzled after as before that post.

By achknowleding my post, you put yourself in this hassle as you could've simply ignored it, and your name would not have come up.

[Warcow]

This is even more fun than actually playing TAO... I have complete understanding of warcow's situation now. Cows is pretty smart.

. . .

:confused:

I didn't want to post at all, but that needed clarifying, my situation?

EDIT* Ugh since I'm here, and because of my overly argumentative nature, I seriously doubt monkus did this. Why? Because A) Monkus has always been open with everything, including the not playing Netjak's. B) I think Monk would be happy to see a turtler back on top. C) He just has more class than that.

[Match Strike]

lol, no you did not have access to the NJ forums... that's why you IMed me and whined about my reffering to you as "monknub" in one of the posts...
:rolleyes:

No, I found out because you TOLD me.

Before that post, DL also did the same thing, saying he knew. After I made that post, people began PMing us about who they suspected... would you like the list? It included myself and allstar and zzz and a TON of others just as much as it did you.

I did NOT give away who you were. If you hadn't noticed, the people were still just as puzzled after as before that post.

By achknowleding my post, you put yourself in this hassle as you could've simply ignored it, and your name would not have come up.
Wrong. DL posted a link with the s/s where spliff made the clan monkus=?cheater?. And someone would have drawn the connection eventually, even if he hadn't.

Monkus could have avoided a lot of hassle if he had ignored this, huh? So not only do you make baseless accusations against him, you fault him for defending his reputation against your under the belt blows?

It's like if you had been punching him and he puts up his fists, and you tell him not to trouble himself with that. It's stupid.

[Dragoen Link]

Well to put my 5 cents in,crx has a convincing acusation.Monkus,I dont know you that well,but the evident is piling up,all the fingers were pointed at you.I have a reason to get mad at this *?cheater?* and like i said,from the evidence (witch im about to state)it was very likely that it was you.

Here are the reasons:

1.Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)

Who would spy on me that closely unlessed they cared???And for them to care,it would have to affect them in some way,in monkus's case it would mean kicking him out of top 3...
he isnt THAT good (he lost to people with 1300 points and less)
Ummm...everyone has there bad days,stop spying on me!I DO try out new setups you know!

(i´d rather see him on #1 than CRX, course he is the much nicer guy)
Okay,obvioulsy who ever it is hates crx.Monkus started to hate crx as soon as he passed him..in ranks.

Check his IP. It's probably monkus cuz he got kicked off the top 3 <_<.If you do not understand this joke, please go kill yourself.

Sure that was a joke,but why would he mention that out of the blue??Why Monkus?


Sorry Dragoen Link for making wrong accusations!
Now that this is clarified, go for #1.

This person really cares about this #1 thing,note,i was an apologie with the real account!

he'd probably beat you in your precious "turtle" game.

Hmm,who would care so much and be obsessed with turtle games?

But, however, i saw your opponents in the last days, and that convinced me, that my suspicion is probably wrong.

Funny on how as soon as i started to see monkus online more that this thread showed up and now this?Monkus was on for those days...and when this was posted....

Second, this is the first time I've even heard of this accusation, as I've been working full time at a camp.

Youve been on quite often then for working full time...TAO and AIM...


Monkus, you were NOT away those days... because you were on AIM at the time... Philly and spliff SAW you on... Philly CHALLENGED you... And we all ahve seen you play greys.

Im afraid hes right once again,you were on,on those days and you were being chanllenged and you turned them all down exept grey games...and of course clan battles but i cant blame you for playing your clan.

Kyir... Monkus makes his own reasons for accusing people...Just being in my clan seems to be a prime reason by him:
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13902
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14443
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14600
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16081
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16477

case closed.

I spent hours reading those...and Those posts and the posts made by ?cheater? are very similar...

that dosnt close the case by any means, considering your attention to these posts I might say your coviering your balls and you're ?cheater?

Kyir,stfu,youve never liked me in the first place because of my poor vocabulary,im sick of your little jabs here and there,just stay of of my business and get lost someweres!:mad:

Anyways,to end my post,With all the evidence above,all fingers were pointed at monkus,so i had no choice but to assume IT WAS him with acusing him direcly...From what ive seen,i seriously doupt it was him cause ive talked to him a lot and i dont think he would do that to me,but the evidence was there....

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7672/dlmadeitfairly1rr.jpg

A lot of people got suspected including myself..lol (people thaught i did that to draw attention)But none of the other people that were acused really fit in the evidence exept monkus.ANyways,Monkus,I neveer said Monkus=?cheater?,i just hade the probability in mind.Im terribly sorry if it wasent you,but I deserve to know who it really is,and im not giving up till i find out!

[Spit_101]

Wow, half of you don't even know how much of a jackass I feel like right now...

The post of made earlier in the thread was a fullout joke. I even pretty much gave away highlighting the post. But what it really did was open up pandora's box. I have all respect towards monkus, DL, and the rest of you.

Making that post I suppose just led you all onto thinking it was him. I feel so bad as to have made that post.

I am completely sorry monkus. I should really stop joking around as often.

:'(

-Spit

[Warcow]

Well to put my 5 cents in,crx has a convincing acusation.Monkus,I dont know you that well,but the evident is piling up,all the fingers were pointed at you.I have a reason to get mad at this *?cheater?* and like i said,from the evidence (witch im about to state)it was very likely that it was you.

Before you make a fool of yourself, I would like to say that above all else, you have no proof. You have accusations, and circumstances, no proof.

[Jeffery]

Before you make a fool of yourself, I would like to say that above all else, you have no proof. You have accusations, and circumstances, no proof.
Much like the creator of the thread.

[Warcow]

Much like the creator of the thread.

So by doing the same thing that he or she did, they become what they hate, isn't that stupid? That means that every flame that applied to the ?cheater? person applies to each and every single one of them.

[Realist]

So by doing the same thing that he or she did, they become what they hate, isn't that stupid? That means that every flame that applied to the ?cheater? person applies to each and every single one of them.

Ha ha ha ha ha yes, that is actually ironically fitting.

This is a pretty entertaining thread if nothing else. Haven't had such a good personal controversy in quite a while.

Have fun guys. I'm as eager as everyone else to know how it ends! This is good suspense. ;)

[Coffin Fedder]

Yes even DL may be ahead on top you never know maybe Warcow or crx could come back for good but u never know I got a lil bit training from Warcow and crx and i'm glad I got it

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

Alright. Seriously now guys, if Monkus really thought DL had cheated, he would have come out directly and said it in a gynormous thread. We all know that, and we all know that the thread would be incredibly blunt.

And CRX, I spoke to you AIM earlier because I caught the Sporkin reference immediately.

Monkus, by the way, that little bush outside your house is great for spying. Not to mention your last name is in your aim profile :P

Edit:

I also am amused that everybody takes Spliff's word as such a credible thing.

[Coffin Fedder]

Daemon has a point Monkus is like that if he thinks something he doesn't just keep it inside he goes out and asks and stuff

[2xfire]

HAHA I leave for a day and come back, just to see this thread has blown up.

I must say, that i also suspected it to be monkus. but without proof this whole thread is worthless. Just as ?cheater?'s first post starting this dumbass thread.

monk i dont know you very well so i will not "accuse" you of anything (nor do i have proof), but the "clues" did point into your direction.

[Coffin Fedder]

I don't think Monkus whould ever cheat if he wanted to cheat he whould just jump greys like "some" golds do but Monkus isint like that, then Monkus rules are my favorite cuz it makes u think more cuz u dont have a long range unit

[allstarGL]

I honestly thought it was monkus at the beginning. Now im not sure at all. After thinking about and reading all the posts I tend to agree with daemon, monkus would have probably used his own account to accuse DL directly as he has b4 with The Prohpet before or even me when he called me a cheater. Now im tottaly lost and have no clue who would have the motive to make this thread. 100 bigillon dollars to whoever finds out who it is.

[Realist]

Reasons its not Monkus that haven't yet been mentioned:

1. He talks nothing like Monkus
2. He withdrew his accusation, a very unmonkuslike thing to do.

I hope its a major person, I'll be really dissapointed if this is just some minor unknown grey.

[old_man_killer]

Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)


What does this first line tell us about "?cheater?" ?


1) This person has taken a keen interest in DL's stats. Obviously checking them periodically. But why?
2) This person has inside knowledge to the ongoing war game results. Anyone NOT in BG or AK care about the war results? I would venture a guess...not! Therefore it is highly possible / most likely that he is in one of these two clans. You see if this stalker was just interested in DL only, then he would of just mentioned it as a game and not a war game. Very doubtful that it would be a member of AK going against a clansmen.


Just an observation.

[2xfire]

maybe it was me :eek: lol

[old_man_killer]

One last thing:
Whoever the mod releasing my IPs is, dude, i hope you´re gonna burn for this one day!
I dont care that the IPs were fake, you still did something absolutely unacceptable.
(by the way, greetings from UK this time, so dont bother looking into the log files again)
After all, i wasnt commiting cc fraud or anything like this. I just posted my opinion.
And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country, which imho includes anonymous writers!
Dude, you definitely overused your power, and one day, when i find the time, you´ll be judged for that!

Good fight, good night!

And he is most likely an American!


I feel like Monk! without that whole excessive compulsive thing. :confused:

[Realist]

The Cheatergate Affair Factsheet

The Evidence:

1. Cheater probably has some involvement or connection with the war between Bushido Gaiden and The Arcadian Knights; this explains why he refers to a "war game" without any clarification.

Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)

As Dragoen Link is in AK...might cheater be a BGer?

2. Cheater is evidently very concerned and attentive to the state of DL's stats.

3. Dislikes CRX. Probably not an NJer.

4. In the face of overwhelming opposition, cheater withdrew his accusation.

i asked for opinions, i got them ...
Guess my suspicion was wrong!

Sorry Dragoen Link for making wrong accusations!
Now that this is clarified, go for #1.

Or did he? Was this meant to be sarcastic? For a few lines later we see an apparant contradiction:

In rergards to the "coward" talk:
4 negs in the first 10min after starting this thread, was enough reason for me to act p*ssy. I still believe though, that this issue had to be settled.

(Bold mine)

What "issue" is cheater referring to? DL's supposed cheating, an issue which even cheater seemingly dropped?

5. Cheater clarifies a bit later, in a post to DL himself:

But, however, i saw your opponents in the last days, and that convinced me, that my suspicion is probably wrong. Additionally every half-decent player rallied behind you in this thread.
I apologized already and to me that´s it. And i think you should leave it at that too, after all this thread was the best thing, which could have happened to you.

Nice message, except for that eerie "this thread was the best thing which could have happened to you." Innocent remark or ominous threat? Is there something going on here even stranger than it currently seems?

6. Cheater admits that he indeed is "someone" in an insult-ridden post to crx:

You never gonna find out who i am, you´re just embarassing yourself while making false accusations.

"Your never gonna find out who i am" doesn't sound like the words of a random innocent observer to me.

7. Cheater knows how to use proxies and offhandedly admits it:

I dont care that the IPs were fake, you still did something absolutely unacceptable.

Meaning that the IPS were, indeed, "fake."

Not every random idiot both knows how to do this and thinks of doing it, but its also quite easy for anyone who knows it exists. What this does show is that Cheater actively tried to cover his tracks knowing that his IP would probably be checked. This was never meant to be an innocent thread.

8. Has some kind of God complex:

i hope you´re gonna burn for this one day!
Dude, you definitely overused your power, and one day, when i find the time, you´ll be judged for that!

9. As OMK just mentioned, he's "most likely an American"

I just posted my opinion.
And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country

The Suspects:

Monkus is the only current suspect, being a bger with no love for CRX, but we have strong reason to doubt any connection. For one, Monkus writes very differently than cheater; for another, Monkus has previously been very open and strong willed in his accusations. It is not like Monkus to either hide or back down, both of which Cheater has done in this thread. Monkus also claims an alibi, though it has not been verified.

[Match Strike]

Lot's of people have been observing the war, but any "evidence" that has been presented has been purely circumstantial.

Now, I'd like to know who it actually was. Like Realist, I'd be pretty dissapointed if it's someone unknown. It's sort of like Duff's "Watersdown Affair" thread, only with more personally vested interests.

EDIT: Damn, Realist beat me to the Watersdown reference.

[Merdoc.]

mm im gon agreee with real

[CRX687]

Ha ha ha ha ha yes, that is actually ironically fitting.

This is a pretty entertaining thread if nothing else. Haven't had such a good personal controversy in quite a while.

Have fun guys. I'm as eager as everyone else to know how it ends! This is good suspense. ;)

word! :cool:

Rep for that bit

[monkus]

For gods sake. You're all doing the same exact thing. You take an opinion, then make stuff up to support that opinion. "He talks like monkus". "He doesn't talk like monkus". "He has an interest in the war". "He cares about stats". For GODS sake people, don't you understand how unstable things like that are? Crx said he was 100% sure that it was me (which isn't possible; You can't be 100% sure of anything, especially something that's wrong). You know why? Because ?Cheater? sounded like me. I really really really hope none of you are in law, because that kind of evidence would be laughed out in a courtroom without anything real.

Realist, I'm especially shocked with you. You're always on top of things, but here, you fell with everyone else. You all admit that he's smart enough to manipulate ip addresses and use proxies and stuff, but you also assume he wears his opinions on the outside of his shirt. Get a grip people! If he's going to use an anonymous name, he obviously doesn't want to be known. I could make an anonymous name, bash turtlers, and yell out "netjak rules!!", but that doesn't make it all true. Stop acting like gullible idiots and learn something here! I get on the computer today and find out half of the TAO community hates me for something I didn't do, all because they are willing to hate someone to the point that they're determined to find out their identity, but they completely believe every single thing he says otherwise, and don't consider ANY manipulation at all.

You're all naive. And i'm the one that had to pay. That's wrong. After working from 8:00 in the morning to 5:00 in the evening every day this week, this is NOT what I want to have to deal with when I get home. Writing styles, similar opinions, it's all bullshit when it really comes down to it. You can't use it to accuse anyone. It's simply not reliable.

I've lost my faith in the Tactics Arena community. You guys are the ones that told me it's "only a game", but you turn on me the second someone with a bunch of made up links comes along. I was going to come back, now that schoolwork is over and I'm starting to regain my free time. a 9 hour work day is tough, but no homework leaves some time for TAO (but it doesn't leave time for a midday posting spree). It's not happening now. I'm done with TAO. You guys are cruel.

[CRX687]

For gods sake. You're all doing the same exact thing. You take an opinion, then make stuff up to support that opinion. "He talks like monkus". "He doesn't talk like monkus". "He has an interest in the war". "He cares about stats". For GODS sake people, don't you understand how unstable things like that are? Crx said he was 100% sure that it was me (which isn't possible; You can't be 100% sure of anything, especially something that's wrong). You know why? Because ?Cheater? sounded like me. I really really really hope none of you are in law, because that kind of evidence would be laughed out in a courtroom without anything real.

Realist, I'm especially shocked with you. You're always on top of things, but here, you fell with everyone else. You all admit that he's smart enough to manipulate ip addresses and use proxies and stuff, but you also assume he wears his opinions on the outside of his shirt. Get a grip people! If he's going to use an anonymous name, he obviously doesn't want to be known. I could make an anonymous name, bash turtlers, and yell out "netjak rules!!", but that doesn't make it all true. Stop acting like gullible idiots and learn something here! I get on the computer today and find out half of the TAO community hates me for something I didn't do, all because they are willing to hate someone to the point that they're determined to find out their identity, but they completely believe every single thing he says otherwise, and don't consider ANY manipulation at all.

You're all naive. And i'm the one that had to pay. That's wrong. After working from 8:00 in the morning to 5:00 in the evening every day this week, this is NOT what I want to have to deal with when I get home. Writing styles, similar opinions, it's all bullshit when it really comes down to it. You can't use it to accuse anyone. It's simply not reliable.

I've lost my faith in the Tactics Arena community. You guys are the ones that told me it's "only a game", but you turn on me the second someone with a bunch of made up links comes along. I was going to come back, now that schoolwork is over and I'm starting to regain my free time. a 9 hour work day is tough, but no homework leaves some time for TAO (but it doesn't leave time for a midday posting spree). It's not happening now. I'm done with TAO. You guys are cruel.

Just like last time! :p

[Match Strike]

Monkus, you are viewing this thread selectively. It's pretty much been DL and crx v. everyone else since they accused you.

To leave because of them is silly. I expected more maturity from you. However, if you decide to leave again, so be it, it's your choice.

[Mithrandir]

I'm very confused. I don't understand how the accusations against Monkus got so bold. I think Realist's last post contained some good points which indicate that there is undeniably some evidence against Monkus. But none of it is solid. I have yet to see a single piece of evidence credible enough to warrant an attack like this.

When you attack someone's integrity, they are most certainly innocent until proven guilty in my book. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Monkus hasn't been anything close to proven guilty.

I think everyone should consider the severity of this accusation and rethink whether or not the evidence is strong enough to make them so confident that they're comfortable with trying to destroy someone.

My perplexed two cents. If there's something I'm overlooking, by all means, point it out. But this is the way I see it.

[monkus]

DL and crx and 2xfire, and everyone that stood by and watched. I haven't gotten a single apology yet, because no one thinks they're at fault. That's why I hate them.

Also, crx shouldn't be getting away with this. He contradicted himself enough times to be diagnosed with multiple personality disorder, plus he insulted the entire tao community when he said he was able to find my last name but no one else would be able to. I think he's a jackass that everyone ignores because they're too stupid to realize how bad he really is.

Edit: If the people who are at fault aren't shown for what they truly are and identified by the community as the jackasses they are, while the entire community points fingers at me when there's no evidence, then quite clearly the entire community is against me.

[Match Strike]

Edit: If the people who are at fault aren't shown for what they truly are and identified by the community as the jackasses they are, while the entire community points fingers at me when there's no evidence, then quite clearly the entire community is against me.
No.

People have likely already made up their minds about crx. My opinion of him as a skilled rusher remains high, but my opinion of him as a person has fallen.

As to DL, I sued to respect him. Over the course of this thread I went from empathizing with him and defending him, to losing a lot of respect for him.

[CRX687]

DL and crx and 2xfire, and everyone that stood by and watched. I haven't gotten a single apology yet, because no one thinks they're at fault. That's why I hate them.

Also, crx shouldn't be getting away with this. He contradicted himself enough times to be diagnosed with multiple personality disorder, plus he insulted the entire tao community when he said he was able to find my last name but no one else would be able to. I think he's a jackass that everyone ignores because they're too stupid to realize how bad he really is.

Edit: If the people who are at fault aren't shown for what they truly are and identified by the community as the jackasses they are, while the entire community points fingers at me when there's no evidence, then quite clearly the entire community is against me.

ummm... please explain where I contradicted myself at?

I figured... since you TOLD me on aim what your name was... and since all the reps I've ever gotten from you were signed "monkus"... most of the tao community wouldn't know?

Let me put it this way. I don't have proof... I did not directly accuse you of anything, merely made a few quite general statements to see if anything comes from them. You've managed to make quite a bit of hassle for yourself out of nothing... congratulations. I have always made my thinking clear to everyone, you should know exactly how I feel about you from those aim episodes and quite a bit of threads. 2x and link can apologize if they choose, but I know I don't regret any of this... why would I apologize?


"he insulted the entire tao community"
"I think he's a jackass that everyone ignores because they're too stupid to realize how bad he really is."

... of course I'm the one insulting everyone here...
:rolleyes:

[Realist]

Let me just say in case anyone missed it the first two times, I very much doubt that Monkus is cheater. Its just that no one else has been put out as a possibility.

Monkus, I do think you're overreacting a bit here. Most people are not against you, seriously. We're just having a bit of fun. :)

And my factsheet only gave the evidence as I saw it, it stated nothing definitely because nothing definitely is known. I think cheater doesn't like crx because he said he doesn't like crx. Sure he could be faking, but anyone could be faking anything; we've got to look at the evidence we have and judge it as we can.

[Thash500]

You guys do realize that if it "wasnt" monkus, the "real" person who started this thread might actually be enjoying this thread for the sake that he is causing enough troubles for you guys. lol,haha

[Warcow]

Crx, what was the Warcow's position statement? I really am confused about that.

[CRX687]

Crx, what was the Warcow's position statement? I really am confused about that.

??? :confused:

elaborate?

[Warcow]

This is even more fun than actually playing TAO... I have complete understanding of warcow's situation now. Cows is pretty smart.

:confused: :huh:

[CRX687]

:confused: :huh:

:p repped ya...

or... tried to...

I'll PM ya if you promise not to show anyone else.

[Warcow]

:p

Oh, I thought you were talking about something in game.

The forums are more fun currently, though even they seem to be losing their luster these days, I had intended to not post any more, so I shall slip back into nothingness if I can manage to stay away.

:ninja:

EDIT* Done, I caught your first message too btw.

[Merdoc.]

ya i dont get what crx is trying to say...I will rule alll of TAO and i am afraid of showing this to people, only the smartest will see this!

[old_man_killer]

Monkus, me thinks you protest too much? :rolleyes:

[Mithrandir]

Ugh. Does anyone have ANY other suspicions based on the facts (supposedly) that we know about this ?cheater? fellow?

I honestly doubt it's anyone especially exciting. The "hahaha, you'll never find out who I am" remark struck me as especially noobish and unlike a vet but that's just me.

[Warcow]

Monkus, me thinks you protest too much? :rolleyes:

Me thinks thou doth forget the exuberance of youth :cool2:

/Seriously last post . . . for as long as I can manage

[Lonely Tylenol]

For once, Thash has a point.

I told both Monkus and DL these accusations would snowball. :mad:

I tried not to get too involved, but here's my $.02

Now im tottaly lost and have no clue who would have the motive to make this thread.

To add to the list of suspects...

~SpLiFF
SpLiFF recently got blacklisted by Dragoen Link after rushing his turtle (making one thread in Battle Reports and one in General Discussions, and anyone in the lobby was already pissed enough at SpLiFF to take it out on him).
Interest in war? It could either be faked or it could be used to garner "evidence", either way.
Jab at CRX? SpLiFF also dislikes Monkus, and could write it out as such.
Act like Monkus, insult DL, snowball. Kill two birds with one stone.
And by making the "monkus = ?cheater?" clan (seen in Dragoen Link's screenshot), you seal the deal and get on everyone's "good" side, save for the "guilty" party, Monkus and friends.

~Terps Rock
Terps Rock, who has always had an interest in clans and their relations, and has had somewhat of a rivalry with AK for quite awhile.
He accused Dragoen Link of cheating, and it was resolved and put to rest.
Then, out of some spite for DL, brought it up in the forums and that snowballed, but eventually backfired on him.
What better way to hurt DL's rep than to get him in a bad situation with the "cheating" again? He's done it once already, and then brought it up even after it was put to rest, which adds to the suspicion.
What's more, Terps' writing style is also similar to that displayed here (Monkus' isn't; look at the thread lambasting Realist, where he makes several consecutive one-liners; Monkus is known as well as I for long, boring paragraphs, unless it serves better purpose to make one-liners, which it didn't).

See how easy it is to build up a case to match Monkus' when there's no actual proof?

P.S.

In reference to the "freedom of speech" mentioned here:

And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country

The protections of freedom of speech do not extend to slander, libel, or any forms of speech inciting hatred towards a party.

What you said was a game-based example of libel.

[old_man_killer]

Ugh. Does anyone have ANY other suspicions based on the facts (supposedly) that we know about this ?cheater? fellow?

I honestly doubt it's anyone especially exciting. The "hahaha, you'll never find out who I am" remark struck me as especially noobish and unlike a vet but that's just me.

No all the evidence is circumstantial at best. But as was mentioned before, it did make for a fun ride in the forums. For all the foolishness, the forum seems to thrive on drama.

[Match Strike]

I hate to press the issue, but there is no "this country." As Realist loves to point out, you have no rights here, it is a private enterprise, located on the web. Certain rights, like not having to subject to requests for sex, extend to the web. The freedom of speech does not, in the bounds of TAO or any other privately owned forum.

[Mithrandir]

Indeed, and everyone likes to have bad guys to root against and monkus has made enemies before.

[2xfire]

lol now i get attacked out of nowhere....... monkus it seems that you are the only person attacking people here, you keep ranting and raveing over pointless shit. ok people say it wasnt you, but you still keep on makeing pointless jabs at other people.

[2xfire]

"I expect an apology from you too...Or I'll hate you for life, I guarantee it. ~A person that actually IS monkus."

I just got this in a neg rep from monk..... dude your a childish prick and have lost all my respect... i will never apoligize to you :cool:

sry for double post

[old_man_killer]

For once, Thash has a point.

I told both Monkus and DL these accusations would snowball. :mad:

I tried not to get too involved, but here's my $.02



To add to the list of suspects...

~SpLiFF
SpLiFF recently got blacklisted by Dragoen Link after rushing his turtle (making one thread in Battle Reports and one in General Discussions, and anyone in the lobby was already pissed enough at SpLiFF to take it out on him).
Interest in war? It could either be faked or it could be used to garner "evidence", either way.
Jab at CRX? SpLiFF also dislikes Monkus, and could write it out as such.
Act like Monkus, insult DL, snowball. Kill two birds with one stone.
And by making the "monkus = ?cheater?" clan (seen in Dragoen Link's screenshot), you seal the deal and get on everyone's "good" side, save for the "guilty" party, Monkus and friends.

No way, sorry, nope, I don't believe he is capable of such a complex thought process to pull that multiple-sting off. You are giving him way too much credit.

[Mithrandir]

Has anyone considered the ?cheater? is likely someone with the invisible function turned on? It isn't a strong point of evidence for sure but if I were to do something like this, I would certainly want to cover my tracks as well as possible and considering the IP thing, I think we can assume that this is someone that is thinking this through.

Just a thought.

[Match Strike]

No way, sorry, nope, I don't believe he is capable of such a complex thought process to pull that multiple-sting off. You are giving him way too much credit.
Some of those components could have been purely accidental. I don't think it was made to pin monkus, but whoever made the thread may have seen it as a nice by-product. Also, monkus doesn't post like that, so that facet really is nonexistent.

[Jeffery]

I admit it.

Frank did it. When I wasn't looking, he snuck on and did all this.

Sorry.

[Match Strike]

Damn.

Well, I'm sure that will put this all to rest.

[allstarGL]

I admit it.

Frank did it. When I wasn't looking, he snuck on and did all this.

Sorry.
LMAO I read all the post's I missed since my last visit then came to this and laughed my ass off. Jeff u really know how to lighten the mood.

Also I'd like to hear from terps rock on this issue not that im accusing him but other then monkus he seems like the next logical suspect.

Edit- Monkus and crx u two need to chill out. Your rivalry from the game has leaked out onto the forums and its making u guys look childish. I know u both just have u backs up from one another but theirs no need for the public bashing.

[Coffin Fedder]

He does have a point, But remember some people tend to real get competive

[allstarGL]

He does have a point, But remember some people tend to real get competive
I understand that, hence why I told them to chill

[Cuathon]

if your not a psychiatrist(sp?) dont try to interpret monkus's response to the sporkin thingy. (which was an obvious reference to him)

[steve12]

Guys, I really don't believe that the culprit is Monkus at all. As well as this, I no longer have my respect for crx who accuses anyone who he can find. Just lay off crx, is it really important now? And DL, I realize that you have done a lot of research, it does make a lot of sense, I still have respect for you, but think...the stat level is obviously increasing every week or so, and Monkus is more than smart enough to know that.... If he was 3rd place for a bit (or 2nd, I am not sure), he SHOULD know that not playing for a while will cause him to drop a few places in the rankings simply because the most active players tend to rise unlike the less active players today.

If you jerks are going to continue to say it is Monkus, I am on his side; so neg rep me! Go ahead, c'mon, I really don't care, you are wrong. And go ahead, sit there, read this post for an hour, find mistakes, write a novel why OUR side is wrong. In my opinion, whoever wins the struggle of the forums has the most time on their hands and the best ways of words, so keep going guys... :rolleyes:

[nomar]

If you jerks are going to continue to say it is Monkus, I am on his side; so neg rep me!

If you say so :D

[steve12]

If you say so :D
Heard of sarcasm, lol... :huh:

[CRX687]

Guys, I really don't believe that the culprit is Monkus at all. As well as this, I no longer have my respect for crx who accuses anyone who he can find. Just lay off crx, is it really important now? And DL, I realize that you have done a lot of research, it does make a lot of sense, I still have respect for you, but think...the stat level is obviously increasing every week or so, and Monkus is more than smart enough to know that.... If he was 3rd place for a bit (or 2nd, I am not sure), he SHOULD know that not playing for a while will cause him to drop a few places in the rankings simply because the most active players tend to rise unlike the less active players today.

If you jerks are going to continue to say it is Monkus, I am on his side; so neg rep me! Go ahead, c'mon, I really don't care, you are wrong. And go ahead, sit there, read this post for an hour, find mistakes, write a novel why OUR side is wrong. In my opinion, whoever wins the struggle of the forums has the most time on their hands and the best ways of words, so keep going guys... :rolleyes:

I will once I spread some around

... I thought I already did lay off?

... accuse anyone I can find? you didn't think DL found all those reasons on his own, did you?

If you're going to defend monkus, do it outright... sarcasm isn't exactly good for the case.

[steve12]

I will once I spread some around

... I thought I already did lay off?

... accuse anyone I can find? you didn't think DL found all those reasons on his own, did you?

If you're going to defend monkus, do it outright... sarcasm isn't exactly good for the case.
I am talking about sarcasm when I say neg rep me, you can if you want to; of coarse I wouldn't know why... Anyway, sorry I didn't read the past 2 pages clearly, I just skimmed, but I am still on Monkus' side if anyone has an argument about who did it..

[Dragoen Link]

Im terribly sorry if it wasent you,but I deserve to know who it really is,and im not giving up till i find out!

Notice how on my last post,i Directly apologised to monkus...Well i Personnally apologised to him(if it isnt him,witch im not certain)on aim...He said that he will never forgive me and called me Dumbass numberous times,so,monkus go F*uck yourself!Its on like Donkey Kong now!

[steve12]

Notice how on my last post,i Directly apologised to monkus...Well i Personnally apologised to him(if it isnt him,witch im not certain)on aim...He said that he will never forgive me and called me Dumbass numberous times,so,monkus go F*uck yourself!Its on like Donkey Kong now!

Wow, are you seirous? This is more confusing than I imagined, since Monkus acts so irritated, maybe it is him... :eek:

[Shiny Flors]

The Cheatergate Affair Factsheet

The Evidence:

1. Cheater probably has some involvement or connection with the war between Bushido Gaiden and The Arcadian Knights; this explains why he refers to a "war game" without any clarification.

Yesterday he lost a war game, bringing him back to 1774, shortly after he is already at 1800. If this continues, then by today he will be on the #1 spot! (after being ranked around 1600 not even 3 weeks ago)

As Dragoen Link is in AK...might cheater be a BGer?

2. Cheater is evidently very concerned and attentive to the state of DL's stats.

3. Dislikes CRX. Probably not an NJer.

4. In the face of overwhelming opposition, cheater withdrew his accusation.

i asked for opinions, i got them ...
Guess my suspicion was wrong!

Sorry Dragoen Link for making wrong accusations!
Now that this is clarified, go for #1.

Or did he? Was this meant to be sarcastic? For a few lines later we see an apparant contradiction:

In rergards to the "coward" talk:
4 negs in the first 10min after starting this thread, was enough reason for me to act p*ssy. I still believe though, that this issue had to be settled.

(Bold mine)

What "issue" is cheater referring to? DL's supposed cheating, an issue which even cheater seemingly dropped?

5. Cheater clarifies a bit later, in a post to DL himself:

But, however, i saw your opponents in the last days, and that convinced me, that my suspicion is probably wrong. Additionally every half-decent player rallied behind you in this thread.
I apologized already and to me that´s it. And i think you should leave it at that too, after all this thread was the best thing, which could have happened to you.

Nice message, except for that eerie "this thread was the best thing which could have happened to you." Innocent remark or ominous threat? Is there something going on here even stranger than it currently seems?

6. Cheater admits that he indeed is "someone" in an insult-ridden post to crx:

You never gonna find out who i am, you´re just embarassing yourself while making false accusations.

"Your never gonna find out who i am" doesn't sound like the words of a random innocent observer to me.

7. Cheater knows how to use proxies and offhandedly admits it:

I dont care that the IPs were fake, you still did something absolutely unacceptable.

Meaning that the IPS were, indeed, "fake."

Not every random idiot both knows how to do this and thinks of doing it, but its also quite easy for anyone who knows it exists. What this does show is that Cheater actively tried to cover his tracks knowing that his IP would probably be checked. This was never meant to be an innocent thread.

8. Has some kind of God complex:

i hope you´re gonna burn for this one day!
Dude, you definitely overused your power, and one day, when i find the time, you´ll be judged for that!

9. As OMK just mentioned, he's "most likely an American"

I just posted my opinion.
And last time i checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country

The Suspects:

Monkus is the only current suspect, being a bger with no love for CRX, but we have strong reason to doubt any connection. For one, Monkus writes very differently than cheater; for another, Monkus has previously been very open and strong willed in his accusations. It is not like Monkus to either hide or back down, both of which Cheater has done in this thread. Monkus also claims an alibi, though it has not been verified.


Hey guys cheater could be me, here is how I measure up to Realist's 9 points,
1. I was involved in the BG-AK war and I am in BG.
2. I have been fairly inactive for a while and only recently came back and found out about Dragoen Link's stats. Plus I've played him a couple of games and won and my stats suck!
3. I like CRX, he gives good games, so this one doesn't apply to me. Sorry guys I thought I fit perfectly. But I did make that post earlier accusing CRX. (See the black text behind that post.)
4. I definitely don't need neg rep, I only have 1 green box.
5. I would apologize for making a thread as a joke that no one got.
6. I think I am fairly well known on Great Lakes. So I am someone. And not to disappoint, I'm not some random grey.
7. Proxies, like with pureprivacy.com, would that work? I already have to use that to visit some invisionfree sites. (stupid work firewall)
8. My name does tranlate to God-like, my real name, not my TAO name silly.
9. And I am an American.


That's it, all evidence points to me!! Cool! :cool:

[sarcasm]

[old_man_killer]

That's it, all evidence points to me!! Cool! :cool:

[sarcasm]

Oh man! you ruined it. I was slowly and methodically building my case against you. :p

So there you have it....It was Shiny Flors in the Library with the candlestick!

[Dragoen Link]

I've lost my faith in the Tactics Arena community. You guys are the ones that told me it's "only a game", but you turn on me the second someone with a bunch of made up links comes along. I was going to come back, now that schoolwork is over and I'm starting to regain my free time. a 9 hour work day is tough, but no homework leaves some time for TAO (but it doesn't leave time for a midday posting spree). It's not happening now. I'm done with TAO. You guys are cruel.

So,what DOES the "community" think about monkus leaving??(for the third time i think ;)?)

[legolas77]

So,what DOES the "community" think about monkus leaving??(for the third time i think ;)?)
Well DL you know I respect you, And I never thought you ever cheated, you know me and know my way of thinking so far. But you are fighting fire with fire and that always ends up burning both sides! You and everyone else here are not sure who it is that made that post for all we Know it could be monkus, crx, me, you, Realist, ETC, Who knows! And I am pretty sure whomever it is not going to come out and say it is I. Hell if he/she did then He/She will be stupid to do such thing.

Moreover I think this thread turned out to be a flaming war between two parties and not as it was intended to be. The Only MOD that is on here does not even care to stop it and it is tearing this forum apart as we see and as I said before two parties fighting each other and many people are becoming enemies.

I know many of you will say STFU noob or anything of that nature, But if you did then you are a noob by all means, Stop these childish wars and posts and have fun this is what the game was made for NOT THIS.

[Realist]

The only thing tearing this forum apart is boring threads and boring posters. This thread is anomalously lacking in either. :)

I have a few more possible suspects I'm thinking of now. More investigation required.

[legolas77]

The only thing tearing this forum apart is boring threads and boring posters. This thread is anomalously lacking in either. :)

I have a few more possible suspects I'm thinking of now. More investigation required.
Well i am happy to see that you are investigating rather than Enjoying :)

[Realist]

Well i am happy to see that you are investigating rather than Enjoying :)

I'm investigating because thats enjoyable and I'm enjoying because its fun to investigate. :cool: They're one and the same.

[legolas77]

I'm investigating because thats enjoyable and I'm enjoying because its fun to investigate. :cool: They're one and the same.
War of the WORDS staring Realist and legolas77 :)

[Thash500]

Man, this thing is getting more interesting. More like a movie or something.
I am actually enjoying this.haha :rolleyes:

Now that it is all clear.
Monkus-Crx= Worst enemy.

Movie:?cheater?'s secret identity.
Episode I: Is Monkus the one behind this?

Check back for more episodes. :cool:

[gryph89]

Guys..I seriously dont know why you dont let it go.When you look at the bigger picture we are almost all to accuse honostly , I mean , everyone (well not everyone) But I certainly was interested with the whole AK/BG war I mean now that AL is back we need to contend with them.Although we never truly saw "eye-to-eye" I dont think crx is a huge problem to be nagging at , espescially at the time since everyone wants to know who it is.Big deal Crx made an accusation of Monkus' real name and accused him.Alot of people did , as for the name thing , I dont really see a huge deal in that , I'll blurt my name out , but no one really cares what your real name was in the first place.

Personally , it could be anyone , someone DL pissed off on Rev and they got mad , or someone in GL who he pissed off, obivously it must of have been someone who was jealous of DL's suddon spark in climbing rankings.Try just asking anyone who is currently active in GL and is a high poster in the forums (or whoever is active alot in here) See how they react to certain questions.Maybe be a judge of that , instead of just throwing out names over a forum try chatting with random people , you have to have somewhere to start.

You cant just build up alot of evidence , you need a foundation first.That foundation being a LIST of suspects , not just one.Im not picking sides , Im not siding with Monkus' nor crx only because their own opinions represent what they think , so why should we be influenced by what they say? And the same goes for DL on this one.

I mean , as of now , we have nothing that much is plainly obvious (after reading 14 pages *sigh*)Like Shiny pointed out before it could be anyone.As for the IP address , (I think Jeff might know this is true or not) I heard if you have verizon online after resetting your modem you get a new IP address , if that is true try working on from there.Check a few people who's IP address has changed.Dont blurt it out in the forum though , just go by instincts.I think these boards allow mods/admins to check member logs and last clicks I dont know for certain.

[StupidCows]

wow whata speach but i totally agree with u gryph :D

[monkus]

Originally Posted by Dragoen Link
Im terribly sorry if it wasent you,but I deserve to know who it really is,and im not giving up till i find out!

Notice how on my last post,i Directly apologised to monkus...Well i Personnally apologised to him(if it isnt him,witch im not certain)on aim...He said that he will never forgive me and called me Dumbass numberous times,so,monkus go F*uck yourself!Its on like Donkey Kong now!

That's not an apology. That's saying "I still think it's you, but in the instance that it's not, i'm sorry". I called you a dumbass because your logic really stunk, and you haven't rejected it yet, in fact you're still in the clan, which means you still think it's me. Try apologising for REAL, not after accusing me 5 times over and saying that in the instance you're wrong you're sorry. I was pissed with you when I said those things. Go figure! You accused me without any actual evidence, when I clearly proved it wasn't me (I was at work while ?cheater? posted). Come out, admit you're wrong, and apologise. An apology has to be a retraction of what you said, not a net to catch you if you're wrong. If you still think it's me, then go ahead, do all the investigating you want. But when you realize you're wrong, give me a real apology.


I do have a question for the rest of you though. Why are you spending so much time trying to find out who ?Cheater? is? Because he made an insulting, unwarranted accusation? Why try so hard to find out who he is when you have some people here who made an insulting unwarranted accusation who didn't do it anonymously. Why is he the bad guy and they're just "acting foolishly"?

Note: I think ?cheater? was totally wrong, but I think the degree to which you are pursuing him compared to the degree at which you've totally ignored everyone else is unbalanced and hypocritical.

[Jeffery]

I did it. i admitted to it already. Blame me, and shut the hell up.

[CRX687]

I did it. i admitted to it already. Blame me, and shut the hell up.

I can never rep you at the right times :(

[Dragoen Link]

That's not an apology. That's saying "I still think it's you, but in the instance that it's not, i'm sorry". I called you a dumbass because your logic really stunk, and you haven't rejected it yet, in fact you're still in the clan, which means you still think it's me. Try apologising for REAL, not after accusing me 5 times over and saying that in the instance you're wrong you're sorry. I was pissed with you when I said those things. Go figure! You accused me without any actual evidence, when I clearly proved it wasn't me (I was at work while ?cheater? posted). Come out, admit you're wrong, and apologise. An apology has to be a retraction of what you said, not a net to catch you if you're wrong. If you still think it's me, then go ahead, do all the investigating you want. But when you realize you're wrong, give me a real apology.


I do have a question for the rest of you though. Why are you spending so much time trying to find out who ?Cheater? is? Because he made an insulting, unwarranted accusation? Why try so hard to find out who he is when you have some people here who made an insulting unwarranted accusation who didn't do it anonymously. Why is he the bad guy and they're just "acting foolishly"?

Note: I think ?cheater? was totally wrong, but I think the degree to which you are pursuing him compared to the degree at which you've totally ignored everyone else is unbalanced and hypocritical.


Uhhh,first of all,theres No proof that it WASENT you!I never said i think that its still you,im saying that im not leaving out the probability that i COULD be you!So im giving you an apologie in case.But you spat it back in my face so now,im pissed at you,and now your going to see the results monkey man!I left that stupid clan and went back to AK,then,you spat the apologie back in my face so i went back,and to make it worst,now 4 of the top 10 are in that clan with me!So now its going to be a nice little ranking were going to have!And yes,we are going to continue investigating!:mad:

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

I must say that I am very dissapointed in Link and CRX. You two are both the top stat players in your clan, as well as on the server, and you support this idiotic insult over your own clans?

You're also both leaders. Do you have any idea the amount of shit I'd be in if I pulled that in BG?

Not only is that disrespectful to Monkus but you're letting down your own clans as well. Lead by example right?

Spliff was childish and in his contempt made a clan and invited a ton of random, unskilled grays and whatever golds he could convince.

I already had no respect for Spliff, but my respect for the both of you has declined as well.

[monkus]

Uhhh,first of all,theres No proof that it WASENT you!I never said i think that its still you,im saying that im not leaving out the probability that i COULD be you!So im giving you an apologie in case.But you spat it back in my face so now,im pissed at you,and now your going to see the results monkey man!I left that stupid clan and went back to AK,then,you spat the apologie back in my face so i went back,and to make it worst,now 4 of the top 10 are in that clan with me!So now its going to be a nice little ranking were going to have!And yes,we are going to continue investigating!:mad:

Nice try. The burden of proof is on the proactive position. Essentially, I don't need to provide you with ANY proof until you can give us proof that I DID do it. Meanwhile, despite this, I HAVE given proof. I was at work. The problem with your position is there's no proof that it wasn't you either. That's why the proactive position, I.E. the one doing the initial accusing, has the burden of proof. Meanwhile, don't go and consider yourself in the top 10. Rankings mean nothing, skill is everything, so don't get all excited that some arbitrary number next to your name looks cool.

I didn't spit any apology in your face, because you never apologised. You still think it's me, therefore you don't feel sorry. When you are sorry for what you've done, you can apologise.

[gryph89]

I do have a question for the rest of you though. Why are you spending so much time trying to find out who ?Cheater? is? Because he made an insulting, unwarranted accusation? Why try so hard to find out who he is when you have some people here who made an insulting unwarranted accusation who didn't do it anonymously.


I felt like going with the flow , everyone else was :cool:

edit: why not call it a day and let the thread die?

[Jeffery]

I did it. i admitted to it already. Blame me, and shut the hell up.
I did it. i admitted to it already. Blame me, and shut the hell up.
I did it. i admitted to it already. Blame me, and shut the hell up.


Will any of you take this advice?

[CRX687]

Will any of you take this advice?

Why would I take advice from a clown?

[gryph89]

Why would I take advice from a clown?

be..cause...there..clowns...?

[allstarGL]

I personally like a good mistery and if u guys haven't noticed it's summer and a lot of us have a lot of time on our hands. That is why i believe this thread blew up like it did. I still really wanna find out who it was, don't be a bunch of quitters cause something is hard. There is no need for telling us to let this thread die if u don't care who did it don't post here.(unless ur jeff cause he has to posts everywhere) It is however looking like we will never know for sure who did it but there is no harm in trying espcially for the reason if none other that Monkus's name has been dragged through the dirt in this thread and if the true ?cheater? isn't found there will forever be people thinking it was him. And i just don't think thats fair.

[monkus]

Plus we're all just having so much fun ranting on about this.

[CRX687]

Plus we're all just having so much fun ranting on about this.

I have no choice but to agree.

[Terps rock]

I was the first one in this thread to say he cheated, but yet not a suspect, but I will say

Mr. Green with the Pipe in the study!

[legolas77]

I was the first one in this thread to say he cheated, but yet not a suspect, but I will say

Mr. Green with the Pipe in the study!
Actually if you read a few pages back someone mentioned your name:)

[steve12]

OK, let's just keep going on about this :bigsmile:

Well, here are my suspects of who the real ?cheater? is:

1) Monkus
2) SpLiFF
3) Thash500
4) Dragoen Link
5) Possibly Jeffrey if he is actualling spitting the answer in our faces. :p
6) Terps Rock

[old_man_killer]

OK, let's just keep going on about this :bigsmile:

Well, here are my suspects of who the real ?cheater? is:

1) Steve 12
2) Steve 12
3) Steve 12
4) Steve 12
5) Steve 12
6) Steve 12


Finally an admission of guilt! :p

[steve12]

Finally an admission of guilt! :p
Thank you... :jester:

[Thash500]

OK, let's just keep going on about this :bigsmile:

Well, here are my suspects of who the real ?cheater? is:

1) Monkus
2) SpLiFF
3) Thash500
4) Dragoen Link
5) Possibly Jeffrey if he is actualling spitting the answer in our faces. :p
6) Terps Rock

You forgot to add the following people:
-LonelyTylenol :D (He is on my #1 list,lol)
-MonkeyD :dry:
-Revenge
-Stupidcowscantswim
-Phillysoul29
-Tux man,lol
-The Unknown
-Any AKers
-Any BGers

[Lonely Tylenol]

I was the first one in this thread to say he cheated, but yet not a suspect, but I will say

Mr. Green with the Pipe in the study!

I called on both you and SpLiFF as suspects, based on past experiences with Dragoen Link and other circumstantial evidence, and you were both written off. :mad: In fact, I made a stronger case than you guys did on Monkus, and yet HE was blacklisted and SpLiFF helped do it.

I smell a set-up.

[Terps rock]

I wish I would have done it, cuz then my name would be all over rankings... :cool:

[Terps rock]

For once, Thash has a point.

I told both Monkus and DL these accusations would snowball. :mad:

I tried not to get too involved, but here's my $.02



To add to the list of suspects...

~SpLiFF
SpLiFF recently got blacklisted by Dragoen Link after rushing his turtle (making one thread in Battle Reports and one in General Discussions, and anyone in the lobby was already pissed enough at SpLiFF to take it out on him).
Interest in war? It could either be faked or it could be used to garner "evidence", either way.
Jab at CRX? SpLiFF also dislikes Monkus, and could write it out as such.
Act like Monkus, insult DL, snowball. Kill two birds with one stone.
And by making the "monkus = ?cheater?" clan (seen in Dragoen Link's screenshot), you seal the deal and get on everyone's "good" side, save for the "guilty" party, Monkus and friends.

~Terps Rock
Terps Rock, who has always had an interest in clans and their relations, and has had somewhat of a rivalry with AK for quite awhile.
He accused Dragoen Link of cheating, and it was resolved and put to rest.
Then, out of some spite for DL, brought it up in the forums and that snowballed, but eventually backfired on him.
What better way to hurt DL's rep than to get him in a bad situation with the "cheating" again? He's done it once already, and then brought it up even after it was put to rest, which adds to the suspicion.
What's more, Terps' writing style is also similar to that displayed here (Monkus' isn't; look at the thread lambasting Realist, where he makes several consecutive one-liners; Monkus is known as well as I for long, boring paragraphs, unless it serves better purpose to make one-liners, which it didn't).

See how easy it is to build up a case to match Monkus' when there's no actual proof?

P.S.

In reference to the "freedom of speech" mentioned here:



The protections of freedom of speech do not extend to slander, libel, or any forms of speech inciting hatred towards a party.

What you said was a game-based example of libel.


Do I really write like that guy, I thought I changed it...

[Spliff]

LT just so you know, this thread was up before i even rushed DL. So don't go yapping and pointing fingers at me.

EDIT: Finished reading whole thing. NVM :bigsmile:

[Terps rock]

He is just proving it is easy to build a case against someone.

[gryph89]

The plot thickens >_> <_<

Anyways , I think Im gonna shutup now and leave this whole convo , because up till now all everyone did was point fingers and didnt listen to other people.So l8r :)

[monkus]

LT just so you know, this thread was up before i even rushed DL. So don't go yapping and pointing fingers at me.
(picture)
EDIT: Finished reading whole thing. NVM :bigsmile:

Congradulations, you and a bunch of other people can make a false accusation that has absolutely no evidence behind it whatsoever. Even more ironic (and funny), crx joins the clan right after claiming he never accused me. I just hope you guys realize how stupid you look.

[Twelve]

The only thing tearing this forum apart is boring threads and boring posters. This thread is anomalously lacking in either. :)


Word. This is too hilarious.

12

[Spliff]

Congradulations, you and a bunch of other people can make a false accusation that has absolutely no evidence behind it whatsoever. Even more ironic (and funny), crx joins the clan right after claiming he never accused me. I just hope you guys realize how stupid you look.


Why do you take things up the other rectum, if it's not you then then why get mad? i mean i just find it funny how you get defensive when it pops up that that's you. You trying to hide something?

[Lonely Tylenol]

Last post by SpLiFF:

Why do you take things up the other rectum, if it's not you then then why get mad? i mean i just find it funny how you get defensive when it pops up that that's you. You trying to hide something?

Previous post by SpLiFF:

LT just so you know, this thread was up before i even rushed DL. So don't go yapping and pointing fingers at me.

:huh: Did you guys build your whole case on double-standards?

By the way: The "SpLiFF vs. DL." thread was made on 07-06-2005, 12:32 PM (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18617); The "Dragoen Link is climbing too fast?" thread was made on 07-09-2005, 07:33 AM (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18671). That's THREE DAYS AFTER Dragoen Link blacklisted you for rushing him, not before it. This is abundantly clear by the mention of the war against Bushido Gaiden in ?cheater?'s post, and the fact that your match with DL occured before the war (which started on the seventh).

It's not exactly unknown that you were at odds with Dragoen Link beforehand, for reasons I don't know, although I assume it was over SOME sort of rivalry. You could very well have been against Netjak and crx as well--after all, who else kicked you out of their clan out of the controversy? It would certainly explain the otherwise unwarranted jab at crx.

Three days' time seems to perfectly describe the amount of time it would have taken to survey some of Dragoen Link's wins and losses between your match and that post. Mention of specific battle times (including the 'loss' with Game Over, which you mentioned in terms of his rise to stats), as well as your frequent appearences in the lobby (INCLUDING the Game Over match), both on the rise at the same times!

Anyone with access to Google can figure out how to change IPs or proxy, with enough instruction.

Means, motive, opportunity.

Writing styles can easily be mimicked or faked, typing even moreso; you could have made minor tweaks to your own typing and nobody would know it was you.

And although it may not have been something you counted on, the witchhunt resulting in the suspicion of Monkus put him in the spotlight and threw everyone else out of it. Making the "Monkus = ?cheater?" blacklist clan sealed his fate--and cleared your name for good.

I did write those examples for the sake of arguing that anyone can have a case built around them when you use circumstantial evidence, but as far as I'm concerned, you ARE a legitimate suspect, as is Terps Rock.

After all, you took Monkus straight to the blacklist based on your 'case', what harm could I possibly do in not ruling you out?

[allstarGL]

You guys are soo silly its clear that ?cheater? did it. CASE CLOSED :D

[Spliff]

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Previous post by SpLiFF:



:huh: Did you guys build your whole case on double-standards?

By the way: The "SpLiFF vs. DL." thread was made on 07-06-2005, 12:32 PM (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18617); The "Dragoen Link is climbing too fast?" thread was made on 07-09-2005, 07:33 AM (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18671). That's THREE DAYS AFTER Dragoen Link blacklisted you for rushing him, not before it. This is abundantly clear by the mention of the war against Bushido Gaiden in ?cheater?'s post, and the fact that your match with DL occured before the war (which started on the seventh).

It's not exactly unknown that you were at odds with Dragoen Link beforehand, for reasons I don't know, although I assume it was over SOME sort of rivalry. You could very well have been against Netjak and crx as well--after all, who else kicked you out of their clan out of the controversy? It would certainly explain the otherwise unwarranted jab at crx.

Three days' time seems to perfectly describe the amount of time it would have taken to survey some of Dragoen Link's wins and losses between your match and that post. Mention of specific battle times (including the 'loss' with Game Over, which you mentioned in terms of his rise to stats), as well as your frequent appearences in the lobby (INCLUDING the Game Over match), both on the rise at the same times!

Anyone with access to Google can figure out how to change IPs or proxy, with enough instruction.

Means, motive, opportunity.

Writing styles can easily be mimicked or faked, typing even moreso; you could have made minor tweaks to your own typing and nobody would know it was you.

And although it may not have been something you counted on, the witchhunt resulting in the suspicion of Monkus put him in the spotlight and threw everyone else out of it. Making the "Monkus = ?cheater?" blacklist clan sealed his fate--and cleared your name for good.

I did write those examples for the sake of arguing that anyone can have a case built around them when you use circumstantial evidence, but as far as I'm concerned, you ARE a legitimate suspect, as is Terps Rock.

After all, you took Monkus straight to the blacklist based on your 'case', what harm could I possibly do in not ruling you out?

LT im gonna miss half the bs you write in these forums its just too damn much

[monkus]

LT im gonna miss half the bs you write in these forums its just too damn much

Wow, just like the response crx made to me in the chatroom. "Anything you say will be false". "We know it was you, there's no point in denying it". It's all b.s. Lonely just made an amazing point, and spliff is trying to avoid suspicion with some crackpot response.

By the way, why did i react so harshly? Well, because you guys all accused me of something i didn't do without any evidence, and most of the people on the thread actually believed you. I had just gotten home from 9 hours of work with kids who literally will not sit down for a minute even when told to do so 5 times. I was tired, and pissed. You think i'm going to react calmly?

[Lonely Tylenol]

LT im gonna miss half the bs you write in these forums its just too damn much

:)

Tell me, was it "bs" when you did the same thing to Monkus?

If you really can't understand what I'm talking about, I have a nice analogy to tell you about involving a glass house and some stones.

[Spliff]

:)

Tell me, was it "bs" when you did the same thing to Monkus?

If you really can't understand what I'm talking about, I have a nice analogy to tell you about involving a glass house and some stones.


I'd rather not bother reading it.

[Merdoc.]

woah monkus what is happe, why arnt u in peoples good books anymore?

[Lonely Tylenol]

I'd rather not bother reading it.

You know, the logic in this rebuttal is astoundingly pathetic...

:) Of course, I don't have actual evidence to run on, but neither did you, and you had Monkus put on the wall of shame--FOUR TIMES OVER.

Perhaps I am going easy on Dragoen Link, for reasons I can't comprehend--maybe I sympathize with him because he was the initial target; maybe I feel he was genuinely mislead into pursuing Monkus as a target; maybe I even went soft on him because he's a fellow clanner and a good friend of mine, and this is what clouds my judgement... But the three of you (Crx, SpLiFF, Carlos22) had no reason to butt into this and no reason to pursue and blacklist Monkus for this, ESPECIALLY without a sound argument against him.

Crx and Carlos22, however, I do not suspect--they had neither the opportunity nor the motive. You, on the other hand, are a perfectly logical suspect, by every grounds with which you grounded Monkus, and you and Terps have been suspects to me since I first considered prying into this business (based, again, on past experiences and circumstance; I have nothing proving either of you did it).

[Spliff]

You know, the logic in this rebuttal is astoundingly pathetic...

:) Of course, I don't have actual evidence to run on, but neither did you, and you had Monkus put on the wall of shame--FOUR TIMES OVER.

Perhaps I am going easy on Dragoen Link, for reasons I can't comprehend--maybe I sympathize with him because he was the initial target; maybe I feel he was genuinely mislead into pursuing Monkus as a target; maybe I even went soft on him because he's a fellow clanner and a good friend of mine, and this is what clouds my judgement... But the three of you (Crx, SpLiFF, Carlos22) had no reason to butt into this and no reason to pursue and blacklist Monkus for this, ESPECIALLY without a sound argument against him.

Crx and Carlos22, however, I do not suspect--they had neither the opportunity nor the motive. You, on the other hand, are a perfectly logical suspect, by every grounds with which you grounded Monkus, and you and Terps have been suspects to me since I first considered prying into this business (based, again, on past experiences and circumstance; I have nothing proving either of you did it).

that's like saying, i think it was you cause you have a motive on me, so you blame me to get the rest of the ppl blacklisting me, when really it was you.

[monkus]

that's like saying, i think it was you cause you have a motive on me, so you blame me to get the rest of the ppl blacklisting me, when really it was you.

Oh wow! And what kind of a person would do that? Oh wait, you did that to me. You said you think it was me because you have some motive, so you blame me to get everyone else to blacklist me. Did you just admit it was you, by giving logic that points directly to yourself?

Guys, I think spliff just admitted it's him.

[Lonely Tylenol]

I have nothing to gain and everything to lose from blacklisting DL OR Monkus...

Monkus is the person who trained me... And DL is a good friend of mine here.

If either one of them takes a blow to their reputation, it adversely affects myself or my clan; when both take a hit, I suffer regardless of where I stand.

I tried to take a moderate position for the sake of saving my clan, but what happened simply disgusts me.

Furthermore, that wasn't my writing style, and unlike the rest of you, I simply abhor the mere thought of typing in such a way that offends proper sentence structure.

True, I have the opportunity; as leader of one side of the war, I even kept tabs on battles.

But on the other hand, I also watched every game he played, and got screenshots of a few (including one of his matches with Ahonuss), when rumors started speculating, which was even before this thread, any suspicion that could have arisen would be refuted by the proof stored on my computer.

I have neither the means, nor the motive, to do such a thing; Dragoen Link could personally agree to the fact that I could have not done it. Looking back on my initial post shows that the message was posted on 7:33 AM my time: Everyone, those in my clan moreso than anyone else, know I sleep in MUCH later than that. :)

[monkus]

Spliff admitted to me online that he made the clan solely for fun, and he hadn't even read the thread before making it.

PantisPaBajos: i dunno i didn't read the beginning of thread all i kno is i told crx i degolded and wanted to make a clan, so he thought it would be funny

I think both of their actions are highly questionable, and clearly with the sole intention of screwing me over.

In fact, look at this:


PantisPaBajos: i told him
PantisPaBajos: what if i made
PantisPaBajos: a clan called
Monkus2k: ahh
PantisPaBajos: monkus = ?cheater?
PantisPaBajos: would you join
PantisPaBajos: he was like that would be funny
PantisPaBajos: then i won the bet
PantisPaBajos: to see if you would come back

They don't think it's me. They're just having fun and taking bets. Anyone seen rat race?

Monkus2k: people still think it's me
Monkus2k: beause of YOU
PantisPaBajos: lol
PantisPaBajos: thats so cool
PantisPaBajos: o feel special
PantisPaBajos: like i left a trademark
Monkus2k: also half of TAO hates you now
Monkus2k: b/c you did that
PantisPaBajos: so
PantisPaBajos: i hate all of tao
PantisPaBajos: so it works

Hmm. I definitely think he's a reliable source after this.

He then asks me to play him. I told him no, because he had a bunch of game requirements, and I didn't think he'd uphold his end of it.

PantisPaBajos: trust me
Monkus2k: trust you?
PantisPaBajos: lol
PantisPaBajos: thats hard for you i kno
Monkus2k: you lie in front of all of tao just to piss me off
Monkus2k: and you expect me to TRUST you?
PantisPaBajos: guess you didn't read the part that said "i didn't read the whole thread"


He also revealed his REAL reason for doing this:


PantisPaBajos: you know how i feel now
Monkus2k: you don't feel anything
Monkus2k: you just want to piss me off
PantisPaBajos: when deamon bloodmaw accused me

Ooo. This is just about revenge, nothing more.

I think his last words before i blocked him probably explain it most:

PantisPaBajos: until i get my name of that server
PantisPaBajos: this is gonna continue then
Monkus2k: ?
Monkus2k: why?
PantisPaBajos: just cause your funny when your mad

[Spliff]

Spliff admitted to me online that he made the clan solely for fun, and he hadn't even read the thread before making it.



I think both of their actions are highly questionable, and clearly with the sole intention of screwing me over.

In fact, look at this:



They don't think it's me. They're just having fun and taking bets. Anyone seen rat race?



Hmm. I definitely think he's a reliable source after this.

He then asks me to play him. I told him no, because he had a bunch of game requirements, and I didn't think he'd uphold his end of it.




He also revealed his REAL reason for doing this:



Ooo. This is just about revenge, nothing more.

I think his last words before i blocked him probably explain it most:

word. . .

[Spliff]

you must have been real bored to write all of that out, that's like me saying


PantisPaBajos: Monkus you like guys?
Monkus2k: ahh, how did you know?
PantisPaBajos: took a wild guess
PantisPaBajos: man your as straight as a circle
Monkus2k: Don't tell anyone
PantisPaBajos: too late posted on forums
Monkus2k: why did you do that?
PantisPaBajos: cause you monkus and your a bad liar
Monkus2k: fine i am ?cheater?, happy now
PantisPaBajos: yes, Still can't believe you like men though.

[Terps rock]

We all know it was DL, He is just trying to get attention in the GL forums.

[Jeffery]

*Runs in from Netjak thread, still naked*

[Hatchet Warrior]

*Covers eye*

[monkus]

you must have been real bored to write all of that out, that's like me saying...

Oh no. Don't you DARE deny it.
http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/5055/spliff2cj.jpg

That's a screenshot taken of my instant message window. Sorry about the sucky quality, but bmp's take forever to load on imageshack. If you want me to upload the bmp image, ask, but until then, deal with the jpg.

(if anyone's confused about how it says their real names or the tab window, it's Dead Aim. I suggest you all get it, it's AMAZING)

I would expect you to be above denying the things you ACTUALLY SAID TO ME on aim. I guess you aren't. I have more screenshots, if you'd like to see them, of our convo. I also have a log manager (from deadaim) that can't be manipulated; it has our entire conversation recorded.

You admitted everything in the convo. Now everyone has the right to know that. It's your move. Time to come clean.

[old_man_killer]

Monkus, if you have proof, then you should produce it. I am puzzled by your reluctance. For someone that has been so screwed over by this, I would think you'd jump at the opportunity to clear your name and expose the guilty. But instead you play games with your alleged tormentor. I find this...odd. Please bring forth the evidence.

[Spliff]

you really think it was me huh? thats cool.

Attention im ?cheater? because monkus is bored and its late night.

Thank you.

[Terps rock]

Oh no. Don't you DARE deny it.
http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/5055/spliff2cj.jpg

That's a screenshot taken of my instant message window. Sorry about the sucky quality, but bmp's take forever to load on imageshack. If you want me to upload the bmp image, ask, but until then, deal with the jpg.

(if anyone's confused about how it says their real names or the tab window, it's Dead Aim. I suggest you all get it, it's AMAZING)

I would expect you to be above denying the things you ACTUALLY SAID TO ME on aim. I guess you aren't. I have more screenshots, if you'd like to see them, of our convo. I also have a log manager (from deadaim) that can't be manipulated; it has our entire conversation recorded.

You admitted everything in the convo. Now everyone has the right to know that. It's your move. Time to come clean.


How you get those tabs?

[Lonely Tylenol]

This does in no way prove SpLiFF is ?cheater?.

However, it DOES prove that this "Monkus = ?cheater?" thing was a farce, at best, used to dig at Monkus, at worst, just created to cause trouble.

And Crx is apparently behind it. (Not a huge surprise there though.)

[monkus]

Monkus, if you have proof, then you should produce it. I am puzzled by your reluctance. For someone that has been so screwed over by this, I would think you'd jump at the opportunity to clear your name and expose the guilty. But instead you play games with your alleged tormentor. I find this...odd. Please bring forth the evidence.

Nah, i don't think spliff is ?cheater?. Lonely put it best; spliff and crx accused me out of fun. Well, this proves spliff did, and that crx was a major factor behind it as well.

I told you, I got the tabs with Dead Aim. It's this REALLY cool program that lets you have tabbed windows, and do this thing called "alias", where you give anyone a nickname, and that nickname appears on your buddy list instead of their screenname. There's no way I could remember everyone's sn's without it.

Edit: Just reiterating this b/c i don't think teh post fully gets it across. If spliff is making and continuing the accusation 'Because it's funny as hell when I'm angry', then it's clearly not a legitimate concern. As for crx, he accused me so he could make a bet with spliff as to if i'd return or not? Wow, this must be some sort of cruel joke crx. My week has been a living hell partly because of this (it affects me more than you may think, which is the main reason i reacted so sternly), and crx is just having fun and making bets. That annoys me. It's really really really low.

[old_man_killer]

LT, if he said you were behind it, would that have made it true? I fear we still are not hearing the whole truth, from either side. Maybe CRX was behind it and it was a farce. And maybe Monkus was ?cheater?. We are exactly where we started out. The only facts were the ones realist listed.

Sorry Monkus, but screen shots can be manipulated. Just look at my siggy for proof of that. I am not saying that they are fake, but I am saying it still doesn't provide proof. Now it is possible that Spliff told you that on AIM just to get a rise out of you and nothing more. Again, this is pure speculation. Some day,we may finally find out the truth, but not today.