Freezing the timer

[NBAstreetv3]

How the heck can u freeze the TAO turn timer, because i have played 2 ppl, 1 yesterday (setho170), and bless1 today, both of them froze their timers, i have been waiting for 15 minutes, and nothing has happened, im going to have to surrendor, please help me :D

[The Exile]

If you have really been waiting "for lik 15 minutes", the it's likely the other player has disconnected and the server hasn't noticed.

Just refresh your page using F5, and hope that it doesn't mark you down as a loss. There's nothing else you can do.

[NBAstreetv3]

omg, that stinks, it has, twice, and what do u mean by server hasn't noticed?

[max2k106]

If the timer doesn't run out in its alloted time, then the other player is probably experiencing major lag. You can't do anything about it but wait (if you want to keep playing the game that is).

[NBAstreetv3]

of course i want to, i dont want to lose stat but bye bye 30

[Forest_Archer]

When I have to go to the bathroom really badly during a game, I put a window (Forums, aim, anything) in front of my TAO game and it stalls it a little. :cool:

[NBAstreetv3]

lol, a little meaning 15 minutes?

[X-Takhisis]

You can freez the timer. I hav never done it but I know it can be done. But I am not sure I should tell you how it is done.

[NBAstreetv3]

ok, i made an account to play this game. not to cheat and freeze the timer, is there anything i can do to unfreeze it??

[Zero~Hero]

You can freez the timer. I hav never done it but I know it can be done.
No it cannot be done.

[max2k106]

ok, i made an account to play this game. not to cheat and freeze the timer, is there anything i can do to unfreeze it??
5 Minutes on defrost in your microwave should do it.

[Wizzy`]

Aye, there is a way. Not sure, the person wont tell me, but he has used it on me over 30 times >_>

[Zero~Hero]

Aye, there is a way. Not sure, the person wont tell me, but he has used it on me over 30 times >_>
No. Its not possible. You cant purposely do it, and still be in the arena and your computer not be lagging

[Moose]

There is something out there that was brought to my attention awhile back that is sort of an application for games and it can stall the timer, i can't say what it is, or where it is seeing as the lil n00bs would jump on it like a hammer, but yes it is possible with that program to stop the timer and Seed has been working on the situation for sometime now.

[StreetGang]

If you have really been waiting "for lik 15 minutes", the it's likely the other player has disconnected and the server hasn't noticed.

Just refresh your page using F5, and hope that it doesn't mark you down as a loss. There's nothing else you can do.

I think that will result in a loss Exiled. I have seen the timer freeze for 15 minutes. Maybe 20. Its such a loser tactic.

My advice is this, if stats aren't important, then leave. If you don't want to reward your lame opponent, then wait at least 20 minutes to half an hour. Keep the sound volume turned up very loud so you can hear when the turn finally ends. (You don't want to surrender if your turn comes up and you didn't see it)

If it goes on longer than 20 or 30 minutes, probably best to leave.

I did heve someone on legends do this every turn, the game took forever, but I have several computers so I just turn the volume up and did other stuff.

It also helps if you use some psychology. Like telling the guy that you have all the time in the world. Telling him that you are taking screenshots of his turn with your clock in view. (this only works with someone who has high stats and is worried they will get deleted). Sometimes you say this and they continue, but they are also reluctant to play you again when there are so many other victims they can pick on. If you try to psych them out, don't chat endlessly, lest they become entertained and want to torture you more. Make one or two clear statements and then shut up. If they can't get a response out of you, they sometimes move on to find a victim more entertaining.

Thanks for making this thread. Clock freezing is awful. I hope it gets fixed.

[inked]

I found out how to freeze the timer and not surrender. I do not want to post it however because then I think it would be overused. However, I am telling you guys there is something you press and you freeze the timer and you don't d/c/surrender. If a moderator or admin wants to know how in order to fix it, PM me.

[sooner4life]

Tonight I acidently figured out how to freeze but then get d/ced when you stop doing it. But it really wouldn't help if you tried it cause everything freezes so you can't tell if they leave and you get d/ced so I'm sure you noobs out there thinking "hmmmm, how do I get them to tell, maybe I'll sleep with one of them" probably wouldn't care.

[Moose]

If you mean ctrl alt delete, all that does is simply stop sending pings to the server from your comp, and like any gold account, you will automatically be d/c in a bit.

[sooner4life]

Edited by popular demand.

[ballplayer]

u cant freeze the timer simple as that

[Tcbb....]

It freaking works!

Thanx for telling, that explains a lot of things... Obviously you are not the first to discover that.

[Megabyte]

It freaking works!

Thanx for telling, that explains a lot of things... Obviously you are not the first to discover that.

tcbb? when the hell did he come back?

and i need to test this...has it been like that always?

[Pinkie TDP]

Wow, thanks. Do you realize how many people are going to use this to win games now? I don't really feel like sitting in games for hours simply because you posted this.

[Volcom]

if u get a brick. and place it on the mouse.. then YOU dont have to sit there holding the mouse.... you gust get to sit there watching the screen :eek:

GREAT FUN FOR ALL THE FAMILY :cool: :dry:

[sooner4life]

Well who really reads the bugs forum. Besides, just go do something else while you wait. The noobs who try this will be to impatient and do it for about two minutes.

EDIT: The brick would have to fall of sometime. :p

[Pinkie TDP]

Well who really reads the bugs forum. Besides, just go do something else while you wait. The noobs who try this will be to impatient and do it for about two minutes.

EDIT: The brick would have to fall of sometime. :p

If you have any creativity at all you could think of a way to use this cheat for as long as you need to without even having to be at your computer, yet obviously I'm not dumb enough to post any of these ways. Secondly, considering there are numerous responses to this topic anyways all it takes is word of mouth. Even if only 10 people read what you said, if only 1 person tells a clan member it can go from there to being widespread. It's the same way with every other cheat. A couple people figured it out on their own and just told everyone else and now everytime I play a grey I get to hear "type chess expert without the space".

Yet now there's a way that not only can they cheat without trying to get you to do anything, but you can't even report it. What am I going to take a screenshot of, the battle screen while they sit there for 3 hours?

Your whole "no one reads it anyways" argument holds no weight. Thanks again for helping another cheat become widespread.

[NBAstreetv3]

No. Its not possible. You cant purposely do it, and still be in the arena and your computer not be lagging

this person froze their timer, i just sat there and watched a movie, 1 hour and 55 minutes later, its still their turn. so yes, it can be done.

[Thash500]

I think you all should drop this topic and EDIT all of your posts here before this gets widespread...... :cool:

[Dragoen Link]

omg...so many ppl are going to do that now...good job sooner4life...:mad:

[deleryn]

Well, hopefully they'll fix it. And the real newbs never cruise the forums anyways.

It's better to just not play for stats. :)

[Megabyte]

omg...so many ppl are going to do that now...good job sooner4life...:mad:

you all seem pretty down on this, but would you prefer the alternative where it was largely unknown except to those who figured it out?

This way everythings out in the open and (hopefully) the admins will work out a means to eliminate it.

If he hadn't told it, then you'd have no idea what was happening, and the select few who had figured this out would have free reign on their cheating.

[22woger22]

This way everythings out in the open and (hopefully) the admins will work out a means to eliminate it.

I agree. I'll go stalk sergiy.

:*ph34r:

-22-

[wolf-boy]

wow, i had thought people could, know i know how its done, and noobs rarely browse froums, let alone the bugs part.

[Pinkie TDP]

It's pretty easy to PM a mod or admin if you know about a cheat instead of telling all of TAO about it in order to get the problem fixed.

As far as noobs reading the forums, they don't need to directly read it here. There's plenty of idiots who read these boards and if one says it in lobby, then up to 40 more people know about it and it's all downhill from there.

[Tcbb....]

Don't be afraid of the ugly truth. It's always better to have the general public know then those who discovers. Even if the problem isn't fixed, I think I deserve to know what's going on when "freezing" happens. And don't you think that those who discover them will tell their buddy n00bs? Again don't be afraid of n00bs, they generally are short of patience.

[zzzaacckk]

well atleast the public knows that when someone freezes a game that the freezers computer cant be used if they want to continue as well. but I hope this can be fixed.

[Pinkie TDP]

Not if it means more people can exploit the problem. I don't agree with that at all. By your logic, if someone found out how to steal a million dollars from a bank, they should tell everyone how then fix the issue instead of trying to tell the authorities and have them fix the issue. That makes a lot of sense.

And before someone comes back and says "but we're not robbing a bank" because I know someone who doesn't understand analogies will - you don't have to be robbing a bank but it's still the same idea. Someone's getting cheated out of something they earned. In one way it's money, in another it's stats. I don't care much about my own stats but I still don't think I should have to give them up to a cheater for no reason.

EDIT: To respond to zzzaacckk, there are plenty of ways to use the cheat when you aren't even going to be home. I think this is by far the worst cheat because you don't need to be home and you don't need to depend on the other person to press a button or type a swear or not know about the cheat.

[Tcbb....]

Not if it means more people can exploit the problem. I don't agree with that at all. By your logic, if someone found out how to steal a million dollars from a bank, they should tell everyone how then fix the issue instead of trying to tell the authorities and have them fix the issue. That makes a lot of sense.


In self-defense class, they teaches how an attacker would attack you. We know how evils are done, so we can identify them and deal with them accordingly.

[Pinkie TDP]

In self-defense class, they teaches how an attacker would attack you. We know how evils are done, so we can identify them and deal with them accordingly.

That completely contradicts your point. In self-defense class, they are not teaching you to attack someone, they are teaching how to DEFEND yourself from such attacks. The equivalent of your example would be if someone posted how to prevent yourself of being a victim of this cheat, not explaining how to use the cheat.

[Tcbb....]

In self-defense demo, one person pretend to be the attacker, another person demonstrate how to defend, and the students learn.

Here, sooner4life tell us how the cheat is done, many posters suggest ways to identify a cheater and deal with it, and we all learn.

This is the first actual bug. before I read sooner4life's post, I thought it as a hoax. Now I know that when somebody freezes, they are cheating.

[Pinkie TDP]

In self-defense demo, one person pretend to be the attacker, another person demonstrate how to defend, and the students learn.

Here, sooner4life tell us how the cheat is done, many posters suggest ways to identify a cheater and deal with it, and we all learn.

This is the first actual bug. before I read sooner4life's post, I thought it as a hoax. Now I know that when somebody freezes, they are cheating.

Yes, in self-defense classes they do have an attacker and a defender, yet here's the difference. They do not do any instructing of how to attack a person. They only give commands such as "act like you're punching the person in the face. Grab them on their shoulders" yet when it comes to defense, they give detailed examples of techniques you can use if someone attacks you. There is instruction when you are defending but no instruction on when you are attacking. So no, they don't teach you how to attack someone because everyone knows how to grab someone by the shoulders or punch someone in the face, but not everyone knows how to defend themselves.

Sooner4life only said how to cheat. He did not say "there is a way to cheat and here's how you protect yourself against it".

[Megabyte]

Awareness of the problem helps to build a solution. We know what's wrong now, so we can work a way to fix it.

Don't be afraid of the ugly truth. It's always better to have the general public know then those who discovers. Even if the problem isn't fixed, I think I deserve to know what's going on when "freezing" happens. And don't you think that those who discover them will tell their buddy n00bs? Again don't be afraid of n00bs, they generally are short of patience.

Agreed,

The word would spread one way or another. If more people abuse it, its a bigger encouragement for the admin's to work out a solution. Keeping it quiet or secret would hardly solve the problem, it's just short sighted.

I'm much more appreciative now that I know whats happening, and will subsequently make a list of every player who uses it against me.

[Tcbb....]

I have never been to a self-defense class in person, so I don't really know how real the "attacker" acts. But sooner4life's intention surely isn't malicious. If you feel his post offended you, I can't change how you feel.

[Pinkie TDP]

Awareness of the problem helps to build a solution. We know what's wrong now, so we can work a way to fix it.



Agreed,

The word would spread one way or another. If more people abuse it, its a bigger encouragement for the admin's to work out a solution. Keeping it quiet or secret would hardly solve the problem, it's just short sighted.

I'm much more appreciative now that I know whats happening, and will subsequently make a list of every player who uses it against me.

Yet there's absolutely nothing that WE can do about finding a solution. So basically what you're saying is that it's good this cheat will become widespread because it will encourage the admins to find a solution. Why not start by PMing the admins and at least giving them a shot at fixing it before telling everyone about it? I think Inked is a prime example of how this should have been treated - he didn't say how to use the cheat and he offered to tell the admins if they were interested by private messages. You can get to the same positive solution without having to reveal cheats to any idiot who happens to stumble across this thread.

I have never been to a self-defense class in person, so I don't really know how real the "attacker" acts. But sooner4life's intention surely isn't malicious. If you feel his post offended you, I can't change how you feel.

I never said I was offended, all I said was that it was a bad idea to tell people how to cheat. I never said sooner4life meant to be malicious but regardless of his intentions, it was still a bad idea in my opinion.

[Office_Shredder]

I don't see how spreading this "bug" will help...

a simple analysis of the self defense analogy shows the major flaw.... they have an attacker AND a defender in all the demos... there is no defense against this...

And seeing how holding the close button makes any website freeze up (not just a TAO game), I get the impression that this is probably not something simple to fix (since it's not a "bug" precisely)

[Pinkie TDP]

I don't see how spreading this "bug" will help...

a simple analysis of the self defense analogy shows the major flaw.... they have an attacker AND a defender in all the demos... there is no defense against this...

And seeing how holding the close button makes any website freeze up (not just a TAO game), I get the impression that this is probably not something simple to fix (since it's not a "bug" precisely)

THANK YOU! That's exactly the point I am trying to make.

If there is no way to fix this "bug", then it's too late to reverse this and this thread single-handedly brought a way of discreet cheating out of the shadows and into the spotlight.

[Tcbb....]

I don't see how spreading this "bug" will help...

a simple analysis of the self defense analogy shows the major flaw.... they have an attacker AND a defender in all the demos... there is no defense against this...



There is defense against this. Instead of waiting for the "lag" to disappear, I can use psychological tacitics against cheaters.

For example, I can say:
1."I know what you are doing, and I am going to report this to the moderator".
2."You know holding your finger on the mouse button for more than one minute can cause long turn injury".
3."I will just listen to some music while you have fun with your mouse"

A defense doesn't mean you have to physically beat up that guy, or hack into his computer. Most n00bs will lose hope when their "freezing act" are discovered. Non n00bs will care about their reputation.

Even without the bug, many people use freezing as a way to annoy. They take as long a turn as possible. I show them that I don't care and take my turn as long as possible too. When they know that their "strategy" doesn't work, they will give up.

And again, don't be afraid of the truth, and dont' be afraid of n00bs.

[wolf-boy]

Thanks for the tips on how to beat a noob :D

[Pinkie TDP]

There is defense against this. Instead of waiting for the "lag" to disappear, I can use psychological tacitics against cheaters.

For example, I can say:
1."I know what you are doing, and I am going to report this to the moderator".
2."You know holding your finger on the mouse button for more than one minute can cause long turn injury".
3."I will just listen to some music while you have fun with your mouse"

A defense doesn't mean you have to physically beat up that guy, or hack into his computer. Most n00bs will lose hope when their "freezing act" are discovered. Non n00bs will care about their reputation.

Even without the bug, many people use freezing as a way to annoy. They take as long a turn as possible. I show them that I don't care and take my turn as long as possible too. When they know that their "strategy" doesn't work, they will give up.

And again, don't be afraid of the truth, and dont' be afraid of n00bs.

Your "psychology" would only work under a few conditions:
1.) If the guy who's using the cheat is extremely gullible/retarded.
2.) If he's actually there at his computer.

One thing that makes this cheat oh-so-spectacular is you can use it without even being at your computer!

Lastly they could call your bluff because how are you going to report them? If you just tell the mods what happened it's your word against the cheaters and the mods have no reason to believe you without a screenshot as solid proof. With this cheat a screenshot can't even prove it because there's nothing to take a SS of.

[wolf-boy]

You prove a very good point

So to Sum things up: Cons~ They can outsmart you. or flat out ignore you.Basically not being at his comp.

Pros:You can outsmart them.
Threaten to report.
Reverse Psychology
Or just play the cheat with them

[Tcbb....]

Your "psychology" would only work under a few conditions:
1.) If the guy who's using the cheat is extremely gullible/retarded.
2.) If he's actually there at his computer.

One thing that makes this cheat oh-so-spectacular is you can use it without even being at your computer!

Lastly they could call your bluff because how are you going to report them? If you just tell the mods what happened it's your word against the cheaters and the mods have no reason to believe you without a screenshot as solid proof. With this cheat a screenshot can't even prove it because there's nothing to take a SS of.


Aren't that teaching cheaters how to cheat better? First, you suggest that the cheater can leave the computer. Second, you tell them that mods may not believe a cheating report. In my experience, my reverse strategy against players who halt always works. Your average cheaters aren't CEO of a company; they aren't even college guys with no life. They are 13 year old kids.

Also, my point is that there are ways to counter cheating if we come to think about it. What is your point of pointing out why my counter cheating strategy may not work?

And seeing how holding the close button makes any website freeze up (not just a TAO game), I get the impression that this is probably not something simple to fix (since it's not a "bug" precisely)
I don't understand why it can't be fixed. The server can always check if it's not getting a response from a client for some time.

[Megabyte]

Myself, I just keep a list. People who have used this at least twice against me I report to their clan leaders. Obviously, the leaders can simply ignore me. However, I'd like to think I have enough of a reputation for honesty where the more respectable groups around here will take action against memebers who abuse this. Maybe I'm just an optimist though.

Anyways, I like that I can now identify this as an actualy cheat, rather than writing it off as a server glitch when someone dc's.

[Jeffery]

Actually, if you take several screenshots, with the time on each, and absolutely nothing has changed, then the screenshot is more believable. Espcially if several others who have nothing to do with one another report the same person for freezing the timer. A time of at least 5 or 10 minutes without anyone moving would be best.

Also, Sergiy was notified about this possability a while ago. If someone is seriously using this hack (btw, there is a hack used to do this by some) then the admins will take care of them.

[Moose]

Actually, if you take several screenshots, with the time on each, and absolutely nothing has changed, then the screenshot is more believable. Espcially if several others who have nothing to do with one another report the same person for freezing the timer. A time of at least 5 or 10 minutes without anyone moving would be best.

Also, Sergiy was notified about this possability a while ago. If someone is seriously using this hack (btw, there is a hack used to do this by some) then the admins will take care of them.


Well i'm not sure if your referring to the same program that was brought to my attention, but apprently it's "somewhat legal" not a hack, but if it's something completely different then disregard what i said.


But in this programs case, I guess it could be considered a hack because it is used for other games as well, but again we might be thinking about 2 different things.

[Jeffery]

The program is legal. Using it to re-engineer TAO is not, as that violates the TAO Terms of Service that says you will not use 3rd party programs to change the game.
Also, the program you refer to clearly states you are not to use it to on games and programs that you are not allowed to modify.
So yes, it IS a hack that is being applied to the game.

[Pinkie TDP]

Aren't that teaching cheaters how to cheat better? First, you suggest that the cheater can leave the computer. Second, you tell them that mods may not believe a cheating report. In my experience, my reverse strategy against players who halt always works. Your average cheaters aren't CEO of a company; they aren't even college guys with no life. They are 13 year old kids.

Also, my point is that there are ways to counter cheating if we come to think about it. What is your point of pointing out why my counter cheating strategy may not work?

I’m not telling them HOW to do anything, I’m simply saying there IS a way to do it without being at your computer so I’m not helping cheaters. Secondly, saying that a mod wouldn’t believe a cheater report doesn’t help them cheat at all. They still cheat when they KNOW they can be caught. You see people added to Sergiy’s blacklist everyday… they keep doing it.

Actually, if you take several screenshots, with the time on each, and absolutely nothing has changed, then the screenshot is more believable. Espcially if several others who have nothing to do with one another report the same person for freezing the timer. A time of at least 5 or 10 minutes without anyone moving would be best.

Also, Sergiy was notified about this possability a while ago. If someone is seriously using this hack (btw, there is a hack used to do this by some) then the admins will take care of them.

First of all, how are you judging the 5-10 minute span in time? By the clock display on the computer? There’s two problems with that. It takes about 5 seconds to change the time on your computer to say whatever you want. You can make your clock display change 6 hours if your opponent is taking awhile to make his move. That would probably be the easiest fakeable screenshot that someone could come up with.

Lastly that doesn’t really protect anyone since I would have to stare at the blank screen for 10 minutes to take 2 screenshots just to leave and lose stats anyways and get some 768 stat grey deleted. Woohoo!

[Jeffery]

I’m not telling them HOW to do anything, I’m simply saying there IS a way to do it without being at your computer so I’m not helping cheaters. Secondly, saying that a mod wouldn’t believe a cheater report doesn’t help them cheat at all. They still cheat when they KNOW they can be caught. You see people added to Sergiy’s blacklist everyday… they keep doing it.



First of all, how are you judging the 5-10 minute span in time? By the clock display on the computer? There’s two problems with that. It takes about 5 seconds to change the time on your computer to say whatever you want. You can make your clock display change 6 hours if your opponent is taking awhile to make his move. That would probably be the easiest fakeable screenshot that someone could come up with.

Lastly that doesn’t really protect anyone since I would have to stare at the blank screen for 10 minutes to take 2 screenshots just to leave and lose stats anyways and get some 768 stat grey deleted. Woohoo!
What part of "Espcially if several others who have nothing to do with one another report the same person for freezing the timer."

The same thing you say can be done for cheaters, and yet the admins routinely delete them. Something like this is no different. Yes, someone could try fake some screenies to get someone deleted. But if several players all started turning in screenshots of someone freezing the timer, then most likely that person is freezing the timer.

Especially since started happening right after the Admins knew about the hack being used.

Now, you can continue to act ignorant, and ignore only sentences that don;t back you up, or you can go back to school and learn that words make sentences, and sentences make paragraphs. When you purposefully take one like out of context, you only make yourself look stupid.

BTW, there is this thing called an Internet Protocol Address that accounts are marked by. That takes care of your third little point.

[Pinkie TDP]

What part of "Espcially if several others who have nothing to do with one another report the same person for freezing the timer."

The same thing you say can be done for cheaters, and yet the admins routinely delete them. Something like this is no different. Yes, someone could try fake some screenies to get someone deleted. But if several players all started turning in screenshots of someone freezing the timer, then most likely that person is freezing the timer.

Especially since started happening right after the Admins knew about the hack being used.

Now, you can continue to act ignorant, and ignore only sentences that don;t back you up, or you can go back to school and learn that words make sentences, and sentences make paragraphs. When you purposefully take one like out of context, you only make yourself look stupid.

BTW, there is this thing called an Internet Protocol Address that accounts are marked by. That takes care of your third little point.

You're really relying on a group of people to report this person in order for him to get deleted and they would all have to know the proper method of reporting (taking two screenshots 10 minutes apart, uploading them, PMing them to a mod). A cheat like this is not something that a notable gold account would use. It's something that a low stat grey would use when he's losing. Even if he does get deleted, all he needs to do is go back on TAO and make a new grey account, big deal.

I'm not a computer nerd so I don't know how the IP Address has anything to do with time. As far as I know, all the IP address shows is what computer the PM came from, not what time the screenshots were taken. Again, I'm not a computer nerd so I can't really talk about that.

I do think this has gotten pretty off-topic. My original point was that it was a bad idea to inform people of how to use this cheat.

Lastly, I don't think you need to lecture me about proper sentence structure considering your very first sentence was a complete fragment. Maybe before I go back to school I'll have to teach you some of the basics honey. There's no need to get all uptight about this. Try to take a few deep breaths and calm down before you respond. :)

[Jeffery]

How about I pull my foot from your ass instead? Oh wait, that's your head up there.

According to you, a way the admins already use to report players for cheating already is unusable to report players for this.
Also, you are wrong aboput who uses this. A person who would use a program to modify the game to stop the timer would not use greys. They use their golds. It's been done before, and players reporting them got them off of TAO.

You obviously are too damn stupid to know what is actually happening, and just want to talk about stuff you know nothing about. But that's ok. I come to expect that from you.

[Pinkie TDP]

How about I pull my foot from your ass instead? Oh wait, that's your head up there.

According to you, a way the admins already use to report players for cheating already is unusable to report players for this.
Also, you are wrong aboput who uses this. A person who would use a program to modify the game to stop the timer would not use greys. They use their golds. It's been done before, and players reporting them got them off of TAO.

You obviously are too damn stupid to know what is actually happening, and just want to talk about stuff you know nothing about. But that's ok. I come to expect that from you.

You never said who you are talking to and you never quoted anyone so I'm going to assume you're talking to me. I only question who you are talking to because I never said a word about hacker programs. But anyways...

You're critisizing me for ignoring part of a sentence yet you respond to only one or two of my sentences? How hypocritical. I guess this quote applies to you as well according your criticisms:

Now, you can continue to act ignorant, and ignore only sentences that don;t back you up

Anyways, do me a favor and tell me where I said anything about a third party program. I know nothing about hacker programs. Let me remind you that you were speaking with Moose about hacker programs, not me.

I do know that you don't need to have whatever program you are talking about to use this cheat. All you need to do is have a mouse. I don't think that mouses are exclusive to gold accounts though. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I never said screenshots are completely unusable but I do think they are not entirely credible. Just the other day bullcat0 was deleted on Armageddon and Sergiy restored his account because the screenshot turned in was proven to be a fake. This is a prime example of why they shouldn't (and don't) take every single screenshot turned into them as proof.

So let's recap. You never addressed my point about the IP addresses. You never addressed my point about relying on a group of people (and even if it does work out perfectly, all the cheater has to do is make a new grey). You also didn't address the point that we're completely off-topic. The reason why I started posting on this thread is because I thought it was a stupid idea to tell everyone how to use this cheat.


How about I pull my foot from your ass instead? Oh wait, that's your head up there.

LOL! That was really funny! It was good to hear that one again... I think the last time I heard it was when a fellow classmate used it in middle school. It's good to see that some people still manage to use it in intelligent discussions. Pat yourself on the back for that one! Besides, my head can't fit up there while my dildo is in anyways, silly! That's probably what you saw up there when you checked for your foot.

[Tcbb....]

This discussion is getting pretty heated. I will back down now.

[Moose]

It's fun watching Jeffery call out others, just not urself of course ^^.

[sooner4life]

Ok would you guys feel better if I edited the post? Also (this part has been edited cause I realised it might start something else).

[Jeffery]

When you find a way to do something like that, DON'T post it in the forums or else where. Simply PM Sergiy or a Mod, and be quiet about it. When you release specifics of HOW to cheat, and even one person uses it to cheat, then you are responsible.

[StreetGang]

*EDITS: incentive to get him to remove post*

[sooner4life]

Are you sad cause it didn't work for you? noob

[dominion138]

this "cheat" has been used on me several times now...i use the time to check the forums and typically before i'm done they've left... :cool:

[Jeffery]

If they left, then they weren't using the cheat on you. Most likely they DC'ed, and it took a couple of minutes for the server to realise they were gone. Completely different situations.

[dominion138]

oh...

[StreetGang]

Now that thunder f-ck has revealed how this works. I can say I doubt whether Flash and JavaScript have any control over the 'main event loop' of the browser. A client-side fix, in my humble opinion would involve downloading heavier dlls which then pose all kinds of install and 'security and zone' setting issues.

I think seed would be best advised to try and handle this on the server-side. (yeah great like we need MORE overhead there). Withour seeing the souce code... I would try some sort of time stamp - not timers. Timers are heavy overhead. Time stamps are simpler. when a turn has completed, perform a check on the timestamp and compare it to the timestamp from the previous turn. This would only require memory to store two timestamps per active battle. A quick calculation to see if the difference between the two timestamps is greater than the intended length of the battle-timer. If it is, simply d/c the player who just ended their turn, the match will automatically go to the non-cheater. And cheaters would quickly learn that this trick would result in their losing the match as long as the other person stays connected until the next turn.

[Jeffery]

The biggest problem is there is no verifier for the game file. There are quite a few ways to secure the files better than being done now. Simply moving the timer serverside vs playerside would be easiest.

[dominion138]

i doubt they'll even bother with fixing it...how long have we been asking for an ignore button?

[Tcbb....]

Hi there, I'm a human being! What are you?

Congrats you just made it to the TAO Hall of Infamy - you rank meat puppet. By some grand sick joke on God's part I am forced to share oxygen with you. You are spineless, vile, and roaches won't even co-habitate with you. Calling you an idoit would be an insult to stupid people. Here's some friendly advice: don't be yourself. You've managed to prove as useful here as sailboat fuel....

Lemme guess, parents are first-cousins? You are one load I wish your Mother had swallowed. I fail to comprehend how you can continue to function on any level with an IQ that is three degrees below whale sh*t. If you were anymore stupid we would have to water you twice a week... but at least your immune from brain injury. They ruined a perfectly good rectum when they put teeth in your mouth. And with this great feat you have just answered the question of: "Did the white man ever f--k the Buffalo"! I'd really like to try and undertand your rationale for revealing this from your point of view, but I can't get my head that far up your ass. Your life's only life accomplishment was surviving the abortion. NOW is an excellent time for you to persue your career as a missing person you ankle-grabbing sperm burper. :bad:

Lead apes in hell thou rump-fed, flap-mouthed measle!

I am pretty sure it's copied from somewhere.

[Jeffery]

None of the lines show up even individually in any search engine. I think he actually wrote it, hence the long time between the post he was responding to and his flaming.

[StreetGang]

I am pretty sure it's copied from somewhere.

I'm pretty sure you quoted him. You two in the same anti-mensa chapter?

Go edit before also I induct you.

[Hatchet Warrior]

I'm going to induct you into my shoe kicking ass alot if you keep acting like that.

[StreetGang]

I'm going to induct you into my shoe kicking ass alot if you keep acting like that.

You talking to me? Have you read this thread? Don't make threats, pull the f-cking trigger or stfu!!!

[Tcbb....]

Go edit before also I induct you.

Go ahead. I am having a rough break up. I could use some flame.

[StreetGang]

The biggest problem is there is no verifier for the game file. There are quite a few ways to secure the files better than being done now. Simply moving the timer serverside vs playerside would be easiest.

Have you ever written a multi-threaded application with multiple timers? It creates a web of ugly inter-depenedant event interupts that brings the fastest computer to a crawl and can easily deadlock (VB6 developers who tried writing server-side apps know this all too well). Unfortunately, the timers would really have to remain client-side. (I'm not flaming you Jeff, just sharing some experience here) ;)

Unless you tried to share timers using some scheme where you have a thread or a pool of threads that maintain timestamps for each battle and then poll a common timer to elapse the turn. More efficient, but very tricky to architect.

The timers on the client-side greatly simplify the code and architecture of the server application.

What I'm looking at is the ability to freeze the timer every turn. If the server maintains a timestamp for each battle to track if the timers are being frozen, then the client-side "cheater" would only be successful for the first turn that the timer was frozen. Then as soon as he ended his turn, he would be d/c. And, his IP and account information could be easily logged for deletion by the admins. (I like allowing a little cheating so the cheaters can be identified and deleted rather than just trying to eliminate all possible forms of cheating which I feel can never be done)

Also, the other threads about lag have to be considered. If we bring timers server-side to fix a cheat and the result is an overall increase in lag, then we will decrease the overall TAO experience for ppl as lagg affects everyone on the server and the cheat only affects perhaps a few ppl at once.

What you said about verifing the game files is all new to me. I don't write Shockwave Flash apps. But if those files are able to be cracked easily, I'd be concerned. Maybe that would explain how some people seem to get a tremendous number of low probability side-blocks. But that ought to be a discussion for a different thread. (The chance that a player gets 3 pyro/dsm side blocks in a row is 0.4% for anyone who wants to know.)

[Jeffery]

There are several programs which allow a person to modify the client side files easily enough.
And yes, server side timers would create more server stress, but it would be managable using a global tic style timer.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Your "psychology" would only work under a few conditions:
1.) If the guy who's using the cheat is extremely gullible/retarded.
2.) If he's actually there at his computer.

It wouldn't work at all--when the WINDOW is frozen, THEY can't see what you're typing.

It's like the timer.

Additionally, Tcbb, I'm going to take a slightly friendlier route and politely ask you and EVERYONE else to make mention of this cheat in their post to comply with my request to edit your posts.

I'm going to send a request to the mods here to have this thread locked indefinitely and moved where nobody else can see it.

We've opened up a can of worms here folks. I hope you realize the consequences of your actions--Sergiy and Bills (sic) can ban people caught using this cheat, but they can't remove it completely.

[Sniper45]

no u cant freeze the clock! either the person was experiencing some kind of major lag or u just think the timer goes so slow! but i do to!

[crack class a]

if you can freeze the timer by major lag then all you have to do is go on a porn site and then you get about 20 pop ups, im sure that will make it lag.