What's the point of asking for a game if you aren't willing to play it? [Archive]

Nemesis25

08-22-2005, 05:52 PM

A friend gave me the pass to a rev account, so I was there looking for a game when Moose came out of a battle. He said "another noob rush beaten" then asked for someone else to rush his turtle. I didn't ask why, I assumed he was just trying to prove how good he was. So today when he asked the same thing, i put on a rush like he wanted and played him.
Here is the start of the game. (http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/447/mooseturt1jm.jpg)
We battled for about 10 minutes, then he insults me and leaves.
Here is the end of the game. (http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1153/moosewin1sx.jpg)
I don't get why someone would ask for a specific type of game, and when you do exactly what they say, they try to put you down for it. When we got into the lobby he told everyone that I'm a noob rusher, but I was only playing like he wanted me too. Some people I just can't understand.

FryLock

08-22-2005, 05:58 PM

I'm more amazed by the fact that your set worked AND that Moose only got 1 unit.

But you have to realize, Moose never loses, it's only because he wasn't concentrating or because you did something cheap. :wink2:

Wayfaerer

08-22-2005, 06:14 PM

I guess Moose and Hero Clubbers just don't mix :cool:

John Jay.

08-22-2005, 06:33 PM

I know Moose is a great player, just by the look of his avator. I have seen on several occassions that Moose asked people to rush his turt. It is very odd, but true. I think he just wants to prove that turt is better than rush.

Terps rock

08-22-2005, 07:18 PM

sarcasim people!

Netjaker

08-22-2005, 07:49 PM

Awesome win nemesis25

CRX687

08-22-2005, 07:58 PM

dam, that's a nub rush... poor moosey... must've seen it and decided he didn't need to try... so he mustn't have paid attention. :eek:

Lonely Tylenol

08-22-2005, 09:46 PM

That, or our friend Nemesis25 is getting less credit than he deserves.

A person with a good level of skill could beat good formations with noob ones. Case in point--Greys beat golds.

Have none of you even entertained the thought in your mind that Nemesis could ACTUALLY have played very well? His setup isn't all too bad either--it's basically the same thing I use as a grey to knock off golds, only using gold units. Spread rushes aren't NEARLY as noobish as you lot like to think.

This is like a nobody beating Bottle, and when Bottle leaves in disgust and his stats drop, people assume he was disconnected because of the person he played.

EDIT: Before I forget again, congradulations Nemesis25, whatever the circumstances. I think you deserve an explanation from Moose, not because he lost, but because he insulted you apon doing so.

EDIT II: I'd like to apologize to Bottle, in the event that Hell freezes over and he comes back to TAO and reads this thread. I simply thought it'd be a good example.

Office_Shredder

08-23-2005, 11:59 AM

sarcasim people!

Despite the brevity, I believe this post cuts to the heart of the matter more directly than anything else ;)

Moose

08-23-2005, 12:41 PM

Haha, I was wondering if franxx would post this and he did ;).

Yes, I only did get one unit, and no i'm not emotionally broken up about it, even though I have posted my analysis on greed and points, i'm still continuing on research.

I'd like to point out the fact that franxx said that he considered his form a turtle, and Meat.Eater can vouch on that one seeing as thats exactly what franxx had said to me and meat.

I would also like to point out that I did not ask for someone to rush me, I simply placed a piece on the table and waited to be jumped to see who would be rushing me today.

So in this case, yes I consider the people who i beat there rushes with my turtle n00bs considering all they had to do was 4 simple moves and win, however they didn't. I don't consider Franxx or whoever was on his account a n00b, i consider his rush a n00b rush (If that makes any sense :S).

However, I like how you left out a lot of details to this post, very well done indeed ;).

As for losing the battle, yes I did lose, I can't win every game (Duh Frylock), and as for trying or not trying, I just went at the pace I usually go at, usually it's enough to beat most players, however in some cases you just have to try and thinker harder about ur moves. But lets be realistic people, is it really worth the time to play a game u see as fun and not competeively to beat someone in which you had to take nearly all your time to carefully move your pieces. I see that as obsession not fun. So yes, I didn't and rarely will try as hard in a game that I don't love anymore, I just like it.

Consider that an excuse or a valid explanation people, to me, this just shows another perspective on my thread about greed and the point system.

Nemesis25

08-28-2005, 07:06 PM

Blah blah blah, I already said I set up a rush like you asked, so there's no point in making it seem like I agreed to a turtle game then tricked you. The point of the thread is, why ask for a game if you aren't willing to play it? Since you obviously can't handle a loss without bashing your opponent, maybe you should add a "conceited" section to your perspective thread :rolleyes:

Moose

08-28-2005, 08:10 PM

Well seeing as posting on this forum is glitching ever so often and my points on each of you're comments are being deleted, i'll just say a few words.

1) I never asked to play a game, I just waited to be jumped

2) Same as no.1

3) Didn't I say to everyone in my first reply I lost?

4) Maybe I should make a "Bragging" section, you could be my first example :).

Cheers to ya mate!

P.S: How did you get on the Legends team anyways?

imagination

08-28-2005, 09:13 PM

well i dislike moose from my game with him on legends and first he insults me without knowing its me then he insults me when he finds out its me because i am a rusher. moose's ego is amazing, id love to turt him seeing how im about the same skill level with both (maybe a lil better with rush but thats because i use it more)

Nemesis25

08-28-2005, 09:27 PM

P.S: How did you get on the Legends team anyways?
My loveable personality ;]

ent__89

08-29-2005, 07:47 AM

For the sake of my sanity stop this petty argument, the both of you.
For one thing you(Nemesis) seem to be blowing it all out of proportion, all he did was lose to your rush and call you an annoying rusher, which i believe to be true, as from your form you are a rusher and from your posts you are annoying me.
And Moose you should know that when it comes to gold puting your avetar down is the same thing as not just asking but SCREAMING to be rushed, thats just the slump the community seems to be in at this point....

Anyway, congrats Nemesis on the win, and congrats Moose for still using turt.(so few left :( )

Moose

08-29-2005, 08:24 AM

imagination

08-29-2005, 11:12 PM

first insult wasnt calling me a noob rusher... and you didnt call me a noob rusher till i started beating you and your ego.

Moose

08-31-2005, 07:59 AM

first insult wasnt calling me a noob rusher... and you didnt call me a noob rusher till i started beating you and your ego.

Well I must have been busy that day, n00b rusher.

P.S: Again, playing a turtle against a rush only has a 20% chance to win, with the first move, without the first move only 12-15%, so honestly I don't care, I don't need to prove myself to every rusher who rushes my turtle, because I neither have time or patiences for a 2 hour game with the low probabalitiy of winning, if you wanna play turtle vs turtle, go for it, you'd be surprised how you're opinion of my ego and and "beating me" would change in an instant.

Tcbb....

09-01-2005, 05:10 PM

Again, I call everyone n00bs who rush, like I said, I call myself a n00b if I rush. Seriously, read would you?

On our only game, you rushed my turtle. So would you call yourself a n00b?

You were winning, and I was busy thinking. You assuming I was halting on purpose and quit.

I appreciate you still use turtle, but you assume others as unworthy cheaters and n00bs. That attitude will get you nowhere.

Moose

09-01-2005, 06:08 PM

We played over a year ago, and yes I rushed, u had a turn that lasted 10 mins, and I d/c'ed.

I don't call rushers cheaters, never have I said that.

As for cheaters, you should be counted as one, trying to guess the Drop system is not allowed and trying to change a random drop to a predicted drop is not what the system stands for.

Tcbb....

09-01-2005, 06:29 PM

We played over a year ago, and yes I rushed, u had a turn that lasted 10 mins, and I d/c'ed.

How can I have a turn that lasted 10 minutes? And you didn't d/c. You quite on purpuse.

I don't call rushers cheaters, never have I said that.

I didn't accuse you that either. You considered me a cheater when I was taking my time thinking. How do I know? You clan talk with theburning, and you accidentally forgot to type "/c". So I knew what you were talking about.

As for cheaters, you should be counted as one, trying to guess the Drop system is not allowed and trying to change a random drop to a predicted drop is not what the system stands for.

Consider me a cheater for that? That just proved my point.

Moose

09-01-2005, 07:08 PM

How can I have a turn that lasted 10 minutes? And you didn't d/c. You quite on purpuse.

I remember my last turn, I had a knight in front of ur cleric, frost, dragon and Knight. I had 2 knights, cleric, frost, and a dragon, ur dragon was dead next turn because of my dragon, and my frost was about to freeze ur knight. Then when it came to ur turn, u were not there for 10 mins, I waited and then all of a sudden a d/c'ed for no reason, you claimed that I won the game which was true.

I didn't accuse you that either. You considered me a cheater when I was taking my time thinking. How do I know? You clan talk with theburning, and you accidentally forgot to type "/c". So I knew what you were talking about.

"but you assume others as unworthy cheaters" So thats not calling me a person who claims others are cheaters for rushing my turtle? As for the next part, All things considered at the time, I didn't have the knowledge that my internet had been having problems with the net, after the minutes my connection was refused to log back in, after I did, you admitted I had won, yes I was talking to Juila, but she never responded, so obviously the problem was with my comp, which like I said, at the time I had no idea there was a problem with my cable.

Consider me a cheater for that? That just proved my point.

Proved what point, you never made a point. I simply enjoy and studying rushers who will jump my turtle for eaiser points then rush vs rush or turtle vs turtle. So really that sentence makes no sense. Besides, asking people to post drop times is not a viable reason for TAO, the drop system is Random, and although there is a program to factor it out, it is not meant to be guessed and exploited, which ppl have done before. So deliberatly asking people to sabatoge a part of the game in order to learn the drop schedule is and always will be, "Cheating".

Tcbb....

09-01-2005, 08:25 PM

I remember my last turn, I had a knight in front of ur cleric, frost, dragon and Knight. I had 2 knights, cleric, frost, and a dragon, ur dragon was dead next turn because of my dragon, and my frost was about to freeze ur knight. Then when it came to ur turn, u were not there for 10 mins, I waited and then all of a sudden a d/c'ed for no reason, you claimed that I won the game which was true.

What I remembered is that I had a furgon and it keeps makes shrubs, and my other units are retreating to the other side. I was losing, but I still have my cleric. Each turn, I did a lot of thinking. Then I heard you say"yeah, he is basically halting." I said "I am not halting. if you tell me to go faster, I will." Then you d/c'ed. It took you 10 minutes to know you d/ced. But to me, you d/c'ed immediately after my response, which I thought was not showing much respect.

So thats not calling me a person who claims others are cheaters for rushing my turtle?

Proved what point, you never made a point..
Here is my point.

"you assume others as unworthy cheaters and n00bs. That attitude will get you nowhere."

You don't show much respect to other players. You call me a cheater, you call people who rush your turtle n00bs who are unworthy to play you, even though you rush too.

Besides, asking people to post drop times is not a viable reason for TAO, the drop system is Random, and although there is a program to factor it out, it is not meant to be guessed and exploited, which ppl have done before. So deliberatly asking people to sabatoge a part of the game in order to learn the drop schedule is and always will be, "Cheating".

That's what you think, but not all FPS people agree with that; you alone do not represent FPS. Besides, "Cheating" is very strong language.

You obvious know how the blocking system works from your other posts. And you are playing others with an advantage, isn't that "Cheating" according to your stardard?

Moose

09-01-2005, 08:39 PM

I have an idea on how the blocking system works, but not it's full extent, it's a given that if you get greedy you won't be able to win off luck. Besides the knowledge I have on the blocking system is this A) I know how the original blocking system worked, and I know the changes made to stop people from exploiting it, so now even with an "idea" on how it works, I can't nessecarly exploit the blocking system seeing as I play without depending on it.

Did I not just say that I was wrong because u were not a cheater? I said my internet connection had been faulting all day, so now I know that u were not freezing the timer...or cheating in any way shape or form. Please read before making new comments.

I respect many TAO players, I call everyone who rushes my turtle a n00b rusher, in context to what i've said in the past. If people wanna rush my turtle when I clearly say "Rush my Turtle", then obviously ppl are greedy for points. I had a long arguement with Dan U on this topic and hopefully he now understands the clasification I give for people who intentionally rush turtles for points, even though there not really seeing what there truely doing.

Your right...cheating is a very strong word to use, but what you don't seem to understand is that a) Your bringing up something that happened a year ago and which clearly has nothing to do with this thread. b) I even explained that it wasn't you who cheated and at the time i was mistaken due to the Shaw announcement I recieved about a virus hacking there servers, I then said that in my last post that my internet had been conky but you chose to ignore it. c) Again, i'm not assuming anyone is or ever has been a cheater for rushing my turtle, I call them n00b rushers, nothing more. d) Yes the community has different views on making threads to guess the drops. But again, there called random drops for a reason. Because they are meant to be random, not predicted.

Anyways believe what you want, personally I don't see in continuing to defend my studies just because you don't see eye to eye in what I see.

Tcbb....

09-01-2005, 09:02 PM

I have an idea on how the blocking system works, but not it's full extent
I just want to have some understanding of how the drop system work, but not it's full extent too. My purpose is not to exploit the system. I just want to have fun guessing from all the raw data. And if I figure out when each drop happen exactly(which I already claimed to be likely imposible), I don't let the general players know.

You explained the situation of our last battle, and I understand. In my last post I explained the situation from my point of view. You call me posting drop time "Cheating" and "idiot". That's what I meant in my last post. If many other people from FPS agree that posting drop time does more harm, I will drop it.

I respect what you believe, and you should respect what I believe and not give insulting comments based on what you believe. That's how people respect each other.

Moose

09-01-2005, 09:05 PM

Then you've contradicted yourself by calling me a bad influence on respect.

As for the blocking system, it doesn't change how I win or lose the game, the more units you get can though.

Tcbb....

09-01-2005, 09:20 PM

Then you've contradicted yourself by calling me a bad influence on respect.
My reaction is based on your action first. And saying that you don't have respect for others is hardly an insult compare to "idiot" and "cheating".

As for the blocking system, it doesn't change how I win or lose the game, the more units you get can though.
I disagree. Unit drop is suppose to be fun and give new players incentives to keep on playing. I personally never use drops in my stardard formation in FPS.
I used a muddy in Legends, but muddy isn't droped here.

Blocking system, however, can affect how you win or lose a game. Even if a little more understanding can make a huge difference. Its very nice of you to give out little hints in your previous post. Now I know that I shouldn't try to hit a scout on the front when I was lucky. That saved me one precious move time.

Moose

09-01-2005, 10:29 PM

Fine whatever, you obviously want to prove your point and obessesion so much about being right then fine. Your right i'm wrong.

Right now I could care less.

Tcbb....

09-01-2005, 11:14 PM

Fine whatever, you obviously want to prove your point and obessesion so much about being right

The point of arguing is to reach a common understanding or to strengen individual believe. It seems like we archieve the latter.

Moose

09-02-2005, 08:41 AM

The point of arguing is to reach a common understanding or to strengen individual believe. It seems like we archieve the latter.

We haven't reached anything, but I don't see that wasting my time with someone I don't care about means anything to me.

Tcbb....

09-02-2005, 12:07 PM

I don't see that wasting my time with someone I don't care about means anything to me.

Sigh, you just waste your time declaring that.

Match Strike

09-02-2005, 02:08 PM

Time to stop.

As it is just, at this point, Tcbb's word against Moose's, there is no point to this. I don't know of any circumstance where either of you has lied and I found out about it, so at the moment I trust both of you in your accounts of your game (a contradiction, I know).

After that, there's a good page and a half of you two mincing each others words (Well, technically, you said....etc..)

I doubt either of you will relinquish your positions, so get over it, please.

celdem2

02-15-2007, 04:43 PM

well there is no point if you aren't willing to play it. :P and moose is cool lol ^_^ heh how'd you beat him

philrox

02-15-2007, 04:55 PM

EDIT: Before I forget again, congradulations Nemesis25, whatever the circumstances. I think you deserve an explanation from Moose, not because he lost, but because he insulted you apon doing so.

EDIT II: I'd like to apologize to Bottle, in the event that Hell freezes over and he comes back to TAO and reads this thread. I simply thought it'd be a good example.

They are spelled.. congratulations, and upon. Silly LT. =p