Twelve's Invincible Anti-Grey Formation Competition

[Twelve]

To all the greys of the world! This tourney is over! But this was how it started:

Some of you may have heard that I have created a formation that simply can NOT lose to a grey. Period.

It's called the Anti-Grey Formation. All grays who know about it have challenged it...and lost. No exceptions to that rule. (DKR claims to have beaten it...but you know, she's always lying).

Some have come close. Some have been perfected. It doesn't matter. They ALL go down.

I hereby make a public challenge to ALL the greys of the world.

If you beat me, I'll give you 20 bucks and you'll also have incredible bragging rights about beating a formation that even perfected the Legendary Lord Ducki. Naturally, you'll have an automatic invitation into my clan as well.

Find me in Army, with the name 12ManArmy. Call me out by mentioning your intention to play the Anti-Grey. Then we can battle. Oh yes, and you have to be grey, of course.

Heck, I'll even post a picture of the formation to so that you all can analyze it:

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/640/perfectantigrey2td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This competition may last for a day. It may last a week. It may last for months. All I know is that nobody has beaten this formation for a year and a half in FPS.

So, bring it folks! 20 bucks is yours if you just beat this formation! Honestly, I personally want to see it happen!! And the clan doors will be open unto you! You can even brag about SLAPPING DOWN an invitation into netjak! How about that??

List of victims:

1. Sniper
2. $$$$$$$
3. Wack-Head
4. TCBB
5. Exiled
6. Sodamoeba
7. Beulabutt
8. Bludhoundz
9. Allstar
10. Crater
11. Snoopdawg
12. CRX


12

[allstarGL]

Im sooo there!!! bring it bitch!

[Hoolwath]

You are kidding right? That looks easy.

[EmelGreenLeafer]

Hmmmm, 20 bucks. i'm there :spiteful:

[axident]

Whoa let's not get carried away here; anyone with enough luck can probably beat any other formation. It's going to be something terrible (or terribly amusing) if some netjak hater has extremely good luck and wins and asks to be in netjak. :)

[WaCk-HeAd]

I went down when I just started, I'll give it a try.

[bobdagangsta]

im gonna challenge it 2.

[I'malive24/7]

can 20 bucks mean either a gold for 4 months or a double gold on legends? if so, I'm all over it. of course, you think that a grey should never beat a good gold. so if anyone ebats you, you won't be a good gold anymore.:)

[Rogue_Wolf]

You are kidding right? That looks easy.

Not quite. Too much fire-power. The LWard in front stops people from coming straight at you. You can sit there, chip away at the LWard, but with those Pyros and Scout(All armored, by the way), he'll more likely take your LWard/Mages before you take his.

Then you can flank. Armored Pyros backed up by the Scout could take your Scout easily. Rush with Knights, take a Pyro, maybe both, but Twelve has been using this for "a year and a half in FPS." I'm sure he knows how to stop a couple of Knights, especially when he has a Frosty.

I'll be watching this. Twelve, nice form man. Turtle's are Anti-Grey formations anyway, in my opinion. You've just suped one up. :cool:

-Rogue_Wolf

[EmelGreenLeafer]

This may ruin netjak's reputation, like if someone bad joins it. thats if that somebody beats twelve, but i don't think i'll have much luck.

[Swift]

It beat me this morning.... even after l got his cleric, frost and weakened his scout to 14 early :wacko:

Nobody is going to beat this because of luck

[WaCk-HeAd]

Don't underestimate this fella's.. Great players have been beaten by it. Simply because Twelve himself is no push over.

But Twelve, seriously. How long is it ago since you battled many greys?

Plus, you're showing your form right here.. True it would have been shown anyway, but you're making it all too easy.

My guess is that you will take out quite a few greys, but will go down eventually...

Good luck though,

I'll just try and beat it to save you those 20 bucks.

[Twelve]

Im sooo there!!! bring it bitch!

I'll be there starting tomorrow, whoremonger!

You are kidding right? That looks easy.

Many fools have said the same and walked away dumbfounded.

Hmmmm, 20 bucks. i'm there

Be it for money, bragging or netjak...it doesn't matter. All will fall.

Whoa let's not get carried away here; anyone with enough luck can probably beat any other formation. It's going to be something terrible (or terribly amusing) if some netjak hater has extremely good luck and wins and asks to be in netjak.

First of all, this formation is luck-proof. Trust me on this.

Second of all, as leader of this clan, if I invite someone I don't like due to tourney rules, I'll just boot them out again. *shrugs*

I went down when I just started, I'll give it a try.

You went down a few times to it... *wink*

im gonna challenge it 2.

Get in line son...first come...first to get served!

can 20 bucks mean either a gold for 4 months or a double gold on legends? if so, I'm all over it. of course, you think that a grey should never beat a good gold. so if anyone ebats you, you won't be a good gold anymore

Whatever you want. I won't maintain a gold account for you, but if you want a double upgrade in legends, sure. I don't care if beating me means I eat my words...this is for FUN. I don't mind putting myself out there if it means fun.

But uh..enough theory. You won't beat me.

Not quite. Too much fire-power. The LWard in front stops people from coming straight at you. You can sit there, chip away at the LWard, but with those Pyros and Scout(All armored, by the way), he'll more likely take your LWard/Mages before you take his.

Then you can flank. Armored Pyros backed up by the Scout could take your Scout easily. Rush with Knights, take a Pyro, maybe both, but Twelve has been using this for "a year and a half in FPS." I'm sure he knows how to stop a couple of Knights, especially when he has a Frosty.

I'll be watching this. Twelve, nice form man. Turtle's are Anti-Grey formations anyway, in my opinion. You've just suped one up.

-Rogue_Wolf

Listen to this man. He speaks wisdom. (But don't give away TOO much..eek!) I've faced the worst of bombs, the best of turtles...bring it. I'm even allowing you all to see how it LOOKS.

See, I love competition. I love a challenge. Bring it.

This may ruin netjak's reputation, like if someone bad joins it. thats if thats somebody beats twelve, but i don't think i'll have much luck.

Like I said, if some fool thinks that this is a way to get into netjak and cause mayhem...HAHA. It's called /expel teh fool.

It beat me this morning.... even after l got his cleric, frost and weakened his scout to 14 early

Nobody is going to beat this because of luck

I admit that Swift is the person who got me going on this again this morning. He challenge my anti-grey, and fought very well. But I only put pieces on the board that I can use like a master. I don't need ANY one piece on that board to win. If you take one piece down, that just means I use other ones.

And yes...luck doesn't matter. Swift didn't mention that he hit my knight from the front after my cleric was gone too, in mid game.


BRING IT PEOPLE. STARTING TOMORROW!! RARGH!@

12

[Twelve]

Don't underestimate this fella's.. Great players have been beaten by it. Simply because Twelve himself is no push over.

But Twelve, seriously. How long is it ago since you battled many greys?

Plus, you're showing your form right here.. True it would have been shown anyway, but you're making it all too easy.

My guess is that you will take out quite a few greys, but will go down eventually...

Good luck though,

I'll just try and beat it to save you those 20 bucks.

Honestly, it's only because I want a challenge. I want to SEE it lose. I want a good fight. I want to have a tremendous challenge. That's what I love. This tournament is all about personal satisfaction....to see if I can lose with it. It will be an incredible match that I never forget.

12

[Hoolwath]

Many fools have said the same and walked away dumbfounded.


I will try to do good then.

[zzzaacckk]

If I find time ill try and find you... should be fun... I havent been masacered by a gold with my grey for a while.

[Warcow]

I'll be coming to find you eventually 12, you'd best be ready.

[The Exile]

I'll have a go, but I'm confident that I won't be able to do it.

Having said that, I could say exactly the same thing about MY anti-grey formation. Not even the best greys on Legends with drops coming out of their ears could beat it. A good enough gold player simply won't lose to a grey, ever. I certainly haven't.

But let's not take anything away from 12... he's putting his money where his mouth is. Now let's see if he can walk the walk against the best FPS can throw at him. :cool:

[KBHoleN1]

I agree with Exile, my turtle has never gone down to a grey on FPS or Legends, but that doesn't mean I won't try to beat you Twelve. I'll be looking for you sometime soon.

[Office_Shredder]

I'm in for this

12, you're always going to be in that same corner?

[old_man_killer]

Twelve, once you have finished practicing on these guys, I will give you that memorable battle. :cool:

[Warcow]

Just wondering 12, are you confident enough to let us have first turn? Because then I will wager on beating you ;)

[Hoolwath]

I'm in for this

12, you're always going to be in that same corner?


Yep.. that is the only problem. I need to know that.

[hotsauc3]

Goliath shall fall to david.. Or hotsauc3 for that matter. :dry: I'll be looking for you. The only way to be the best is beat the best.

[sooner4life]

Goliath shall fall to david.. Or hotsauc3 for that matter. :dry: I'll be looking for you. The only way to be the best is beat the best.
That's true. Unfortunetly, my suckyness as a grey borders on the edge of sarcasm. So I'm definetly not doing this. :p

[emerald slasher]

im in... and if i beat it...keep the $20 im only in it for a challenge :cool:

[fudo]

i will give it a go to, if i beat u keep the 20 dollars, all i want is for netjak to get off my case about the spying issue.

[Dark7]

A good grey with a lot of witches could wreck that form

[axident]

A good grey with a lot of witches could wreck that form

Not really; they could deal a tremendous amount of damage, but have pretty much nothing left after the bloodbath. Rogue_Wolf wrote an astute entry about how the form would repel pretty much any FPS gray attack.

Gotta respect someone who puts their money and reputation on the line, good luck 12! Not that you need it if, as you say, the form is luck proof.

[Twelve]

I will try to do good then.

Good ain't good enough! Do your best!

If I find time ill try and find you... should be fun... I havent been masacered by a gold with my grey for a while.

Now this man has the proper attitude!

I'll be coming to find you eventually 12, you'd best be ready.

*nods head* Alright, tough words. I'll meet them.

Funny thing is, in the only game we had, I actually used this same formation against you by MISTAKE. I had forgotten to change my form.

I'll have a go, but I'm confident that I won't be able to do it.

Having said that, I could say exactly the same thing about MY anti-grey formation. Not even the best greys on Legends with drops coming out of their ears could beat it. A good enough gold player simply won't lose to a grey, ever. I certainly haven't.

But let's not take anything away from 12... he's putting his money where his mouth is. Now let's see if he can walk the walk against the best FPS can throw at him.

Trust me, I won't lose. But if I do...I have GOT to get to know this person.

I agree with Exile, my turtle has never gone down to a grey on FPS or Legends, but that doesn't mean I won't try to beat you Twelve. I'll be looking for you sometime soon.

You won't see me runnin'!

I'm in for this

12, you're always going to be in that same corner?

Hey, I only gave you a pic of what I'm going to use. But this isn't preschool...I can be in the left corner, right corner, or even in the middle with this.

I'm not going to just sit there and let myself get bombed if I can help it!

Twelve, once you have finished practicing on these guys, I will give you that memorable battle.

It has been said that you are very nasty as a grey. Let's see if that rumor is true.

Just wondering 12, are you confident enough to let us have first turn? Because then I will wager on beating you

Wack said it was too easy for you all because I SHOWED you the exact formation. Though I'm talking much trash right now(and enjoying every bit of it), I won't disrespect you by making it TOO easy on you all.

Yep.. that is the only problem. I need to know that.

No chance of that happening.

Goliath shall fall to david.. Or hotsauc3 for that matter. I'll be looking for you. The only way to be the best is beat the best.

I'll be Goliath if you want...but you certainly won't be my David. :)

That's true. Unfortunetly, my suckyness as a grey borders on the edge of sarcasm. So I'm definetly not doing this.

Honesty is the best policy. No need to get hurt if you don't have to be.

im in... and if i beat it...keep the $20 im only in it for a challenge

You even having to make that choice is getting much too far ahead of yourself. But I can guarantee you a challenge.

i will give it a go to, if i beat u keep the 20 dollars, all i want is for netjak to get off my case about the spying issue

You did that to yourself, son! But even though you're JW, I won't beat you down worse than the others, no worries.

A good grey with a lot of witches could wreck that form

Already faced that before. And they lost. True, my boys received a lot of damage...but don't you know that witches are simply dragon food?

Not really; they could deal a tremendous amount of damage, but have pretty much nothing left after the bloodbath. Rogue_Wolf wrote an astute entry about how the form would repel pretty much any FPS gray attack.

Gotta respect someone who puts their money and reputation on the line, good luck 12! Not that you need it if, as you say, the form is luck proof.

Have you ever written a dumb post?

Anyways, don't take my trash-talking seriously. It's just to make the stakes high. :)

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[Dove]

Heh, good luck, I played this mess at the peak of my grey skill AND when 12 made his humble return. I took either 3 or 4, I'm more inclined to say 4, but it wasn't pretty at any rate.

[emerald slasher]

Heh, good luck, I played this mess at the peak of my grey skill AND when 12 made his humble return. I took either 3 or 4, I'm more inclined to say 4, but it wasn't pretty at any rate.

thats really encouraging :rolleyes: ..but hey ill try my best :cool:

[Lonely Tylenol]

Oh my gosh! Are you serious?

Having my grey abilities tested against Twelve himself? I've been asking for awhile now... This is the opportunity I have been nagging you for! Honestly, I don't care if I lose... I just want to see if I've still got it. :cool:

But... Wow! $20! That's a lot of money for playing a game. I just wanted to test my game, and now there's a challenge, a Jackson, and a clan offer just for playing a game. (I'll pass on the clan offer, and get back to you on the $20.)

Do you mind if I use my Army gold? Less stat loss for you... And you have my word on me not using gold units. :)

[Wolfman]

12, your anti-set looks solid.... i would certainly like to try to make a 20 bucks.

wolfy

[Twelve]

Heh, good luck, I played this mess at the peak of my grey skill AND when 12 made his humble return. I took either 3 or 4, I'm more inclined to say 4, but it wasn't pretty at any rate.

I mean, people need to recognize!!!

Oh my gosh! Are you serious?

Having my grey abilities tested against Twelve himself? I've been asking for awhile now... This is the opportunity I have been nagging you for! Honestly, I don't care if I lose... I just want to see if I've still got it.

But... Wow! $20! That's a lot of money for playing a game. I just wanted to test my game, and now there's a challenge, a Jackson, and a clan offer just for playing a game. (I'll pass on the clan offer, and get back to you on the $20.)

Do you mind if I use my Army gold? Less stat loss for you... And you have my word on me not using gold units.

Just to avoid confusion and possible cheating, I'm only playing grey names, sorry.

And I know you've always wanted to play it...well here is your chance.

12, your anti-set looks solid.... i would certainly like to try to make a 20 bucks.

wolfy

Even the great Wolfy shall fall! Bring it!

12

[Lonely Tylenol]

All right, I'll use the account name No Devil Lived On... But don't complain if I win and you lose that many more stats. :p

And since you're being fair enough to use my setup...

I will post my original unit spread, and vow to use it as opposed to a counter...

0 0 W C 0 0 0
0 0 P 0 0 0 P 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 S 0 0 0 0 0
0 K 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 A 0
0 0 0 K 0 L 0 K 0 0 0

Unfortunately, I can't take screenies, so this'll have to do.

We both know each other's setups, so there'll be no surprises or surprise formation advantages.

I don't want the one-up in any way here. I'm going to make sure I have to work for every cent if I win at all.

[Twelve]

All right, I'll use the account name No Devil Lived On... But don't complain if I win and you lose that many more stats. :p

And since you're being fair enough to use my setup...

I will post my original unit spread, and vow to use it as opposed to a counter...

0 0 W C 0 0 0
0 0 P 0 0 0 P 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 S 0 0 0 0 0
0 K 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 A 0
0 0 0 K 0 L 0 K 0 0 0

Unfortunately, I can't take screenies, so this'll have to do.

We both know each other's setups, so there'll be no surprises or surprise formation advantages.

I don't want the one-up in any way here. I'm going to make sure I have to work for every cent if I win at all.

How honorable of you. I'll make sure to make the loss for you as painless as possible. I PROMISE you that if you bring that to the table, you will not win.

12

[Jeffery]

Will it count as a win if I can hack the ISP you have, and shut down your internet part way through the game?

[Twelve]

Will it count as a win if I can hack the ISP you have, and shut down your internet part way through the game?

:*dntknw:

[Tcbb....]

Will you not change side and let me move first?

If you agree, I will only take 5$ :)

If not, I will try my luck.
1/4 chance of having the same side and first go. 1/4 chance of getting 20$.

[Moose]

Hmm, that form is probably a hard thing to beat, afterall a powered up knight can do wonders while rushing a basic grey :p.

[Lonely Tylenol]

How honorable of you. I'll make sure to make the loss for you as painless as possible. I PROMISE you that if you bring that to the table, you will not win.

Thanks for the compliment...

And I PROMISE you that if you underestimate my grey spread, win or lose, you will eat your words. :)

[CRX687]

Will you not change side and let me move first?

If you agree, I will only take 5$ :)

If not, I will try my luck.
1/4 chance of having the same side and first go. 1/4 chance of getting 20$.

hahaha, you're gonna try to 1-sided rush that thing? Trust me, it doesn't work.

[ricardu]

You are kidding right? That looks easy.

Hool I got some 10 minutes analysing it, and well he will stone the pyros, and you wont be able to hit the stone with the archer, cause you will lose him, i really think it is not defeatable for a grey, but well since you are 9 units better than me, go for it =D

[_Thunder_]

Im in. Bring you twenty dollars, and mabey that netjack invitation.

[Draquist]

Sorry twelve but I cant less this rant continue..bring it on.

[Dan_F_U]

I have no idea when u are online but I will play you . That gold vs grey..U gold vs grey... u gold vs gold.. sounds fun

[Tcbb....]

After reading the post, I take back my first go request. I am pretty sure someone with 3 or 4 pyros on the front line; have the right side; and go first will win. I will try my luck once.

I am curious how this formation will look in the middle.

[22woger22]

Naturally, you'll have an automatic invitation into my clan as well.
Even if s/he was the meanest, stupidest person who got lucky with the win on a disconnection?

-22-

[The Exile]

I don't think you even need 3 or 4 pyros. If you get right side and first turn, I'd say a formation consisting of 2 pyros, 3 knights, LW, BW, cleric, chanty, and scout would have a 70% chance of winning. It would be more like 90% if it wasn't 12 on the other end.

I'm so up for this now. I've worked through the probable first 10 moves, and I'm suddenly more confident.

12, when will you be online?

[Dajae]

I don't think you even need 3 or 4 pyros. If you get right side and first turn, I'd say a formation consisting of 2 pyros, 3 knights, LW, BW, cleric, chanty, and scout would have a 70% chance of winning. It would be more like 90% if it wasn't 12 on the other end.

I'm so up for this now. I've worked through the probable first 10 moves, and I'm suddenly more confident.

12, when will you be online?

W00t!

Go Exile!

- Daj

NOTE: Just thought I'd try to help that confidence a little bit more.. :)

[Hoolwath]

Good ain't good enough! Do your best!

You know that you are talking with leader of the Gold Jumpers, right? :)

[Dajae]

You know that you are talking with leader of the Gold Jumpers, right? :)

"... Bad boys, bad boys... What cha' gonna do, what cha' gonna do..."

:cool:

- Daj

[Twelve]

Will you not change side and let me move first?

If you agree, I will only take 5$

If not, I will try my luck.
1/4 chance of having the same side and first go. 1/4 chance of getting 20$.

He-who-is-called-the-greatest-player-of-all-time....you dare meet this? I don't want to ruin your rep! I will give you only the same that I give all others. No deals. Bring it or bring it not.

Hmm, that form is probably a hard thing to beat, afterall a powered up knight can do wonders while rushing a basic grey

Amen???!!!! Trust me, I know this.

Thanks for the compliment...

And I PROMISE you that if you underestimate my grey spread, win or lose, you will eat your words.

Oh, I look forward to this!

hahaha, you're gonna try to 1-sided rush that thing? Trust me, it doesn't work.

Listen to the guy with teh phat car!

Hool I got some 10 minutes analysing it, and well he will stone the pyros, and you wont be able to hit the stone with the archer, cause you will lose him, i really think it is not defeatable for a grey, but well since you are 9 units better than me, go for it =D

That's right! Discourage the troops! Can anyone do the impossible? I am willing to trade my humiliation for the glory of another if only for the competition and fun of it all!

Im in. Bring you twenty dollars, and mabey that netjack invitation.

Bring it?

Brought.

Sorry twelve but I cant less this rant continue..bring it on.

Draq...now you know you can't beat me gold vs. gold. You going to beat me grey vs. gold?

I have no idea when u are online but I will play you . That gold vs grey..U gold vs grey... u gold vs gold.. sounds fun

I don't understand much of your post...but, if you're calling for a loss, I'm there for you.

After reading the post, I take back my first go request. I am pretty sure someone with 3 or 4 pyros on the front line; have the right side; and go first will win. I will try my luck once.

I am curious how this formation will look in the middle.

That's calling for a lot of luck and the right situation! Even if you had this, do you think I will stand still and let it happen?

Even if s/he was the meanest, stupidest person who got lucky with the win on a disconnection?

-22-

I would just boot him/her out afterwards. No prob.

I don't think you even need 3 or 4 pyros. If you get right side and first turn, I'd say a formation consisting of 2 pyros, 3 knights, LW, BW, cleric, chanty, and scout would have a 70% chance of winning. It would be more like 90% if it wasn't 12 on the other end.

I'm so up for this now. I've worked through the probable first 10 moves, and I'm suddenly more confident.

12, when will you be online?

Ah, you have your confidence back. Please don't get angry when I smack it down.

I will be online as much as possible. I won't be hiding. I plan to go onlinw now after I check these forums.

You know that you are talking with leader of the Gold Jumpers, right?

I perfected the ORIGINAL leader, Lord Ducki. I've never lost to a Gold Jumper in my TAO career.

12

[Hoolwath]

Yep, first time for everything then. :) Your Other thread (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?p=509789#post509789) is MUCH cooler.

[monkus]

I'm sorry twelve, but I just don't think the form's all you say it is. I played against a clanmate the other day gray vs gold; I used the default gray form, and he used that one. I didn't beat him, but I played stupidly, he got first turn and all the luck, and I still came close to winning. If it's that easy with the standard form, an aggressive form prepared to beat that one would have little trouble winning.
I'm not just talking bad about the form; from experience, it doesn't have strong enough units to survive a large rush if the stone focus is kept broken.

[Poop Slinger]

you wanna play versus the default 12.. or some random form? I'll take that lovely challenge... see ya on army you say...?

[The Exile]

Edit: Dammit 12, stay on Army after you finish a game...

[Twelve]

First Victim: Sniper of SI.

Beginning: http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/788/sniper7fe.png (http://imageshack.us)

End:

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3103/sniperend0qt.png (http://imageshack.us)

I have to give it to this guy...he played WELL. This was an amazing match and well worth my time He truly could have won this game...

Time for trash-talking is over!

BRING IT!!!

12

[Hoolwath]

WAit, what would be your next move?

[Twelve]

I was about to kill his scout with my pyro. He knew it would have been over then.

12

[Hoolwath]

I was about to kill his scout with my pyro. He knew it would have been over then.

12

Yea, then it would.

[The Exile]

So 12, are you coming back to army so we can play or not?

[Poop Slinger]

Snipe's why did you leave? I hope that was a D/C.. The games was still open. I guess it all depends on the hps of your Scout and Knights.. If they were low (under 10 Hps each) I guess I can understand.. but still thats quite perplexing looking at whats left and that you would leave.

[The Exile]

I detect a poop slinger edit coming up...

[Twelve]

It is 11:03am, EAstern. I have a real life obligation at 11:30am. No time for a game...heck, the game with Sniper took more than an hour.

12

[The Exile]

I'll be back for you later then 12. When will your "real life" nonsense be finished?

[Twelve]

I'll be back for you later then 12. When will your "real life" nonsense be finished?

Hahaha...Exile, you'll get your chance. I promise. Trust me, I won't be hard to find when I'm online. I realize that you're in GB and I'll try to get on early for people in that time zone.

12

[Poop Slinger]

I detect a poop slinger edit coming up...

Eh.. even with a dead scout.. It still seems like a fair match up. I wouldn't have left. With that chanty, cleric, and bw for support.. anything goes. Just need to take 12's scout or knight.. w/o losing more than a knight in the process.

*shrug* Figure if I see it Sniper would have... maybe it was just time for lunch.. :p

[The Exile]

I disagree. Unless the cleric could be taken, there was very little chance those 2 knights and witch could stand up to an armored dragon, DSM, scout and knight. The only chance would be to take out the scout, and I doubt 12 would be stupid enough to allow THAT to happen. Once the chanty was dead, that's definitely game over, and that would be quite achievable.

[Tcbb....]

First Victim: Sniper of SI.

Beginning: http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/788/sniper7fe.png (http://imageshack.us)

End:

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3103/sniperend0qt.png (http://imageshack.us)


Seem like he uses a stardard turtle aginst you. He must have played very good to get to the end. I am not that noble. I will use a formation specially designed to counter your formation.

I will be waiting in Armeggon until you return twelve. Be it 1 hour or 12 hours.

[Poop Slinger]

Once the chanty was dead, that's definitely game over, and that would be quite achievable.

Which means he would have to come and get her.. more than likely with bait of knight or pyro.. and try and kill with scout. It wasn't over.

I don't care if he pulled everyone back and stoned the scout-knight-dragon and pyro, that game was still winnable from either side.

[EatMine]

In good old netjak tradition, here is a screenshot (http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5931/12mandown6on.jpg) of my win :D

(Hey, i even cut the y's off, hehe)

[2xfire]

im up for it, i work the next 4 nights so i will try and catch you before i go in.

[The Exile]

In good old netjak tradition, here is a screenshot (http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5931/12mandown6on.jpg) of my win :D

(Hey, i even cut the y's off, hehe)
BAAAAAAANNNN HIIIIIIMMMMMMMM!!!

[Twelve]

Next? I'm in Army now.

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[Office_Shredder]

I would get on, but my internet connection is sketchy.... only these forums and one other website are working... I can't even get on the game : (I have NO clue why I can get on here)

[Twelve]

This fool jumped me when I was supposed to play Wack head. He dropped once he saw he was clearly out-classed. It was way too easy.

Beginning: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7262/unknown8qs.png (http://imageshack.us)


End:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7274/over1zw.png (http://imageshack.us)


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[Draquist]

Twelve...you say I cant beat you gold vs gold? I believe our last battle was a freestyle and I won. You used your straight line set and it came down to my last 3 units but I still won.

[Tcbb....]

I am watching you play wack-head on floor 7. I shogun next.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Killed his scout and lost an assassin, but he has the upper hand now..

But my dad is yelling to end it, he wants on.. So lets see what happens..

I retreated after stupidily going in, losing me a knight, him not losing anything.

But I really have to go, so I'm leaving..

I'll play him again, and good luck to everyone.

[Twelve]

Wack played well. I made a serious mistake in the beginning, letting my scout go bye-bye. But as the game progressed, I felt better and better and I did believe I would end up winning the game if he didn't have to go.

Beginning: http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/3863/wackvs124iv.png (http://imageshack.us)

End:

http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/5315/win0ou.png (http://imageshack.us)

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[Tcbb....]

I am still waiting, Twelve. When will you be ready?

[Twelve]

Had to make a couple phone calls. Coming now.

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[snoopdawg420]

Its snoops turn next, PM me when you are ready 4 the king of all that is GREY. :-)

snoopdawg

[The Sniper]

That form is definatly beatable for those he think it is not. If it wasn't for a few key blocks by twelve I do belive I would have won. As for me still having a chance, I didn't.

So is it a one time thing or can we play you again twelve?

[Twelve]

I would rather give everyone a chance first before repeated battles with people.

Next is TCBB. He lost as well...but it was an even harder fight than against sniper.

There was one point in the game where I MIGHT have made a mistake...but fact is, he came close to beating me even though I felt like I played well. His strategy is amazing...he's definitely arguably the greatest player of TAO.

Beginning:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7400/12vstcbb2en.png (http://imageshack.us)


End:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2136/close4ye.png (http://imageshack.us)

Thanx for the great match, TCBB. I won't forget that one.

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[Tcbb....]

I got jumped by a n00b before this game. The second I enter, a pyro drop comes. If I had got that drop, my chance would be better. But I won't be complaining, I got the wrong side but great luck.

Thanx for the great game Twelve. I won't try my lucky again.
Good luck everyone else.

[Twelve]

Next came Exiled. I only need one screen for this one:

Putting all of his weight on one side, he figured it was hopeless.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/351/end2sl.png (http://imageshack.us)

Next?

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[The Exile]

I was out to prove it can be beaten, even if it's by only knowing the formation beforehand. :)

It'd have been interesting if we'd had same side. Do you think you could have beaten it? I think you'd have had your work cut out.

[Twelve]

I was out to prove it can be beaten, even if it's by only knowing the formation beforehand. :)

It'd have been interesting if we'd had same side. Do you think you could have beaten it?

With that formation, you would have had a chance if you had first turn. But, other than that...I can honestly say that it would not have beaten me. You would have brought a wave of destruction, but...it would not have worked.

I mean, I've faced 3 pyros and 7 witches with this form, and still won.

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[Tcbb....]

Seem like every one got opposite side, what's the secret 12? ;)

[emerald slasher]

looking for ya 12 :)

[The Exile]

I mean, I've faced 3 pyros and 7 witches with this form, and still won.

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Well, beating a mage bomb is easy once you've fought off the first wave. The rest are usually out of range to finish off your weakened units, especially if your cleric was still intact. My formation (if it had same side and perhaps first turn, but first turn is not necessary) would have taken down the cleric like a bomb, but then had the power to back it up instead of just a lot of 28HP units...

Well, I blew my chance on a 50-50 coin flip, oh well. :(

[Tcbb....]

I shrow my lucky dice, since twelve claimed to setup his formation in the middle.

I would like to see a screeny before the game start first, so I can make a prediction who will win the 20$ :)

[Twelve]

Well, I'm taking a break. My brain is shot. I may be back on a bit later.

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[Lonely Tylenol]

Damn! I just got on.... 5 minutes off my mark! Bummer.

I'll be waiting when you get back.

[Office_Shredder]

I see exiled had the same cleric kill strategy that I was gonna use :)

[Lonely Tylenol]

Yeah, if you get first turn, it's virtually fool-proof. Pyro... Then if he heals, other Pyro... Then the Scout is an instant-kill, sure thing.

If you don't get right side and first turn, all it means is your pyros are meat.

[emerald slasher]

damn just missed 12 :(

[Sodamoeba]

Lol I didnt stand a chance. He took me down to 5, but I DID beat his pyro :D go soda, go soda!

[Twelve]

Sodamoeba.

Basically, my knight wreaked havoc on his whole formation. I did dodge an assassin bomb, though.

Beginning:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3256/soda9kp.png (http://imageshack.us)


End:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2350/sodalose6uv.png (http://imageshack.us)

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[Sensei Snyper]

good job! :D

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

12 i wanna battle this invincible grey killer tomorrow w/ my dual chanty

[Twelve]

Bring it, Matthews. I'm not hiding.

Alright, this latest victory was a perfect game against Beulahbutt:

Beginning: http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/3226/buelah4op.png (http://imageshack.us)

Note that he was the first person to get the supposed "correct side". Here's the result:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9857/done28jp.png (http://imageshack.us)


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[Tcbb....]

I feel the urge to give some advice to future challegers. And since Twelve wants his formation defeated, I suppose he won't object. If you don't like them, Twelve, I will edit them out.
1. Don't use Enchantress. It's no good against pyros.
2. Rush is the only way to go. mage bomb him if possible.
3. Find a way to take down his cleric early without losing your scout.

[Twelve]

TCBB, say what you wish. *shrugs* Just bring it.

Next victim is Bludhoundz. I should say that both of our scouts benefited from luck. He also got witch front block...VERY close to my base.

Before:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3811/blud3yh.png (http://imageshack.us)

After:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5029/end7qf.png (http://imageshack.us)

That's probably it for me tonight!

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[old_man_killer]

:help: Oh the humanity! Is there not one person worthy and skilled to take down this man and his formation? :butcher: He is only a man, not a super hero. :king2: Who will be the champion for us common folk? :*paladin: Maybe what we need is not a man, but maybe a highly skilled woman? :spiteful:

[emerald slasher]

ive got a set that can i get it i think :)

[old_man_killer]

ive got a set that can i get it i think :)

Trust me, you are thinking wrong. :)

[Tcbb....]

My BEST advice for man and woman: USE MY FORMATION AND GET LUCKY!!!.

[Warcow]

If I get the correct side, and the first turn, I will beat you 12, that is my promise :)

[old_man_killer]

My BEST advice for man and woman: USE MY FORMATION AND GET LUCKY!!!.

My best advice is grab the woman and get lucky, AND FORGET ABOUT THIS TOURNEY! :p

[Cliche]

well u could, but what would that do for you? :confused: id rather win the tourny and prove to twelve that that form isnt invincible, and i wasnt aware that he was going to switch sides, i thought he would just use that form on one side, but why would i think that, who knows, good luck to all that shall face 12, and my sympathy to those who fall to him.

[Ciompi]

Twelve, your set is good no doubt but I don't think it's invincible to luck. If it was, you wouldn't have a problem with staying in the same place (which removes the element of luck in guessing the right side) and you wouldn't have a problem with guaranteeing your opponents first turn (another element of luck). With the right set, right side, first turn and strong play, there is no doubt the formation could fall. By keeping those elements of luck in play, all it does is delay the inevitable. Eventually, someone good that guesses the right side and gets first turn will have luck also throughout the game and win. I have no doubt at all about this. It's just a matter of time. When will a strong player get the luck he needs? Who knows. It may take a while but it will happen just as sure as it would happen if you guaranteed the right side and first move. I only hope I get the honor of proving myself right. :)

[old_man_killer]

Twelve, your set is good no doubt but I don't think it's invincible to luck. If it was, you wouldn't have a problem with staying in the same place (which removes the element of luck in guessing the right side) and you wouldn't have a problem with guaranteeing your opponents first turn (another element of luck). With the right set, right side, first turn and strong play, there is no doubt the formation could fall. By keeping those elements of luck in play, all it does is delay the inevitable. Eventually, someone good that guesses the right side and gets first turn will have luck also throughout the game and win. I have no doubt at all about this. It's just a matter of time. When will a strong player get the luck he needs? Who knows. It may take a while but it will happen just as sure as it would happen if you guaranteed the right side and first move. I only hope I get the honor of proving myself right. :)


Oh ye of little wisdom. My friend, I have faced the formation with my grey. I'd like to think that I am a better than average grey player and I found it to be very confounding in all aspects. because not only is the formation strong, but the man behind the moves has the thought processes of a chess master. You speak of luck, well I had first move and right side. But the combination of armoured pyros and the LW proved to be too strong for me.

[Ciompi]

For one who calls me one of little wisdom, you have neglected a very important distinction.

Your loss to Twelve's set indicates difficulty, not impossibility. If one uses the strategy I have in mind (similar to Exile's), with first turn and right side the cleric is dead for sure and the mages are wounded. I'm sure Twelve is a much better player than I am but I don't think he could beat me every time if we played ten times. He might win nine but I doubt he'd win ten if I had first move and right side each game.

[Office_Shredder]

But OMK, your setup sucked.


:p

[Ciompi]

But OMK, your setup sucked.


:p
Thank you OS, that was actually my next question.

What was your setup Old Man?

[old_man_killer]

For one who calls me one of little wisdom, you have neglected a very important distinction.

Your loss to Twelve's set indicates difficulty, not impossibility. If one uses the strategy I have in mind (similar to Exile's), with first turn and right side the cleric is dead for sure and the mages are wounded. I'm sure Twelve is a much better player than I am but I don't think he could beat me every time if we played ten times. He might win nine but I doubt he'd win ten if I had first move and right side each game.

and how pray tell would you manage to kill his cleric? I think you need to re-study his formation. And to need first turn and right side? It won't help. But please don't take my word for it, try him yourself. I hope you win, really I do.

[Ciompi]

It would be quite simple. Picture two pyros front row, one space to either side of his LW. By moving forward three spaces, both could hit the cleric and both mages. With the scout on the edge of the board, by moving forward four spaces it would be out of his Lward range and could hit the cleric. If I have first turn, I fry the cleric. If he heals, I fry him again and shoot him next. If he fries my other pyro, I shoot his cleric.

Dead cleric, wounded mages. Guaranteed.

[old_man_killer]

your first move with a pyro, his first move takes out 2nd pyro. your second move uses scout to kill cleric, then with in 3 moves, before your pyro and scout can recover, they are both gone, now you have your ranged pieces gone and he is down just a cleric? what next? then even if you do manage to get your knights in his face, he still has a knight a scout and a dragon to contend with as well as a frostie. trust me, if there is a solution to this problem, that isn't it.

[Ciompi]

First, don't underestimate how irritating a barrier ward can be when you're bombing someone.

Second, I wouldn't be without ranged units because I would still have another mage (a pyro if I have one, a witch if I don't) behind my knight wall.

That scenario, which is guaranteed if I get first turn and right side, is not a guaranteed win. But it is one heck of a start. I don't think even Twelve could win a hundred straight games like that against the best players in the game. Do you seriously think he could?

[old_man_killer]

First, don't underestimate how irritating a barrier ward can be when you're bombing someone.

Second, I wouldn't be without ranged units because I would still have another mage (a pyro if I have one, a witch if I don't) behind my knight wall.

That scenario, which is guaranteed if I get first turn and right side, is not a guaranteed win. But it is one heck of a start. I don't think even Twelve could win a hundred straight games like that against the best players in the game. Do you seriously think he could?

hell anyone can get lucky playing 10 or 15 straight games with everyone using the same set-ups over and over, but the idea is to beat it the first time. Play first and then tell me how to do it.

[Ciompi]

hell anyone can get lucky playing 10 or 15 straight games with everyone using the same set-ups over and over, but the idea is to beat it the first time. Play first and then tell me how to do it.
That is not what you've been saying. You've been maintaining that Twelve's set is unbeatable. I have been maintaining that it's just a matter of time. It wouldn't have to be me playing him 10 straight times, it's between me and all the other competent players that want Twelve on their trophy wall. My point is that it is not invincible like people have been making it out to be.

I'll play him when I can.

[old_man_killer]

That is not what you've been saying. You've been maintaining that Twelve's set is unbeatable. I have been maintaining that it's just a matter of time. It wouldn't have to be me playing him 10 straight times, it's between me and all the other competent players that want Twelve on their trophy wall. My point is that it is not invincible like people have been making it out to be.

I'll play him when I can.


OK, I concede its beatable. Just not while Twelve is playing it. ;)

[Ciompi]

I happen to think that the concept of this tournament is fantastic. I'd like to see other top golds create their own best anti-grey forms and abide by Twelve's rules and see what happens (though the money would naturally be unnecessary). If I defeat the invincible formation twelve can keep his money. I'm in it for the challenge, the bragging rights and the invite.

[old_man_killer]

I happen to think that the concept of this tournament is fantastic. I'd like to see other top golds create their own best anti-grey forms and abide by Twelve's rules and see what happens (though the money would naturally be unnecessary). If I defeat the invincible formation twelve can keep his money. I'm in it for the challenge, the bragging rights and the invite.

If you beat him, I'll send you the invite personally :)

[allstarGL]

I just find it funny that twelve has been on the same side every match and noone has ever been on the same side as him.

[CRX687]

I just find it funny that twelve has been on the same side every match and noone has ever been on the same side as him.

Hush nubass! :mad:

Don't give away that secret!

JK... but seriously, you're right.

[Tcbb....]

Twelve, your set is good no doubt but I don't think it's invincible to luck. If it was, you wouldn't have a problem with staying in the same place (which removes the element of luck in guessing the right side) and you wouldn't have a problem with guaranteeing your opponents first turn (another element of luck). With the right set, right side, first turn and strong play, there is no doubt the formation could fall. By keeping those elements of luck in play, all it does is delay the inevitable. Eventually, someone good that guesses the right side and gets first turn will have luck also throughout the game and win. I have no doubt at all about this. It's just a matter of time. When will a strong player get the luck he needs? Who knows. It may take a while but it will happen just as sure as it would happen if you guaranteed the right side and first move. I only hope I get the honor of proving myself right. :)

Agreed. Good luck to Warcow!

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

I want to see the results of LT and Hoolwath taking on this form. Bring in Cephas too, scrounge around and dig up Scoutblade. Grab Xyx and wolfman, etc.

If all of them lost I wouldn't even attempt it, especially with tcbb out.

[bludhoundz]

Are we allowed to play it again? :D

And actually, I think you guys have it all wrong. Same side he'll pack his power a lot quicker, you might want an opp side match so you can retreat.

[Hoolwath]

I want to see the results of LT and Hoolwath taking on this form. Bring in Cephas too, scrounge around and dig up Scoutblade. Grab Xyx and wolfman, etc.

If all of them lost I wouldn't even attempt it, especially with tcbb out.

Yea... I think Realist would do. Thats all.

[Jonspen]

12 seriously,

I got to try this, I remember this form, and I know how well it works. But beating it would be great, imagine, you having to give me 20 smackers and an invite to netjak, oh man.

But anyway, I'll see you on Army, this'll be tough so I better practice.

Do I only get one shot?

[KBHoleN1]

Are we allowed to play it again? :D

And actually, I think you guys have it all wrong. Same side he'll pack his power a lot quicker, you might want an opp side match so you can retreat.
Or a center spread form with ranged attackers close by, but out of reach, and a bw/chanty combo for endgame, with a strong knight wall and an assassin for the ass bomb? Oh wait, that's my form already :rolleyes: I think it's doable with my existing gray form, just not pheasible with any. And trust me, if I do it, it won't be by luck, I lost all blocking abilities years ago, just ask my practicing opponents for the 4-unit tourney.

[Tcbb....]

Are we allowed to play it again? :D

And actually, I think you guys have it all wrong. Same side he'll pack his power a lot quicker, you might want an opp side match so you can retreat.

I bet that the game that will beat Twelve is a same side match.

[Hoolwath]

LOL, I would laugh so much if Street Gang defeated it and was invited to Netjak !!! :bigsmile:

Yea... dont play good players.. it would be a profit for Nj... Try Street Gang, Thash and other allstar-like players!

[CRX687]

LOL, I would laugh so much if Street Gang defeated it and was invited to Netjak !!! :bigsmile:

Yea... dont play good players.. it would be a profit for Nj... Try Street Gang, Thash and other allstar players!

come think of it, I'm surprised thash hasn't jumped on this yet.

[Twelve]

Twelve, your set is good no doubt but I don't think it's invincible to luck. If it was, you wouldn't have a problem with staying in the same place (which removes the element of luck in guessing the right side) and you wouldn't have a problem with guaranteeing your opponents first turn (another element of luck). With the right set, right side, first turn and strong play, there is no doubt the formation could fall. By keeping those elements of luck in play, all it does is delay the inevitable. Eventually, someone good that guesses the right side and gets first turn will have luck also throughout the game and win. I have no doubt at all about this. It's just a matter of time. When will a strong player get the luck he needs? Who knows. It may take a while but it will happen just as sure as it would happen if you guaranteed the right side and first move. I only hope I get the honor of proving myself right. :)

Whoever said I had a problem with someone having a bomb on my side, with first turn? I've got no problem with that whatsoever. It's you people who think I'm afraid of that...and I'm not saying whether I am or not.

What YOU propose is basically me setting up a fixed fight. And then there would be little joy for whoever wins that. My hope is to see a grey come and whoop this formation and give me an amazing battle. If I did all that you ask here, I wouldn't even feel like I truly lost.

Are we allowed to play it again?

Sure, but like I told Sniper, I would like to give everyone a chance first before rematches.

Do I only get one shot?

Read above.

Alright, after I run through the forums, I'm up for battle again today. But only until my dinner and party tonight. :)

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[Ciompi]

Whoever said I had a problem with someone having a bomb on my side, with first turn? I've got no problem with that whatsoever. It's you people who think I'm afraid of that...and I'm not saying whether I am or not.

What YOU propose is basically me setting up a fixed fight. And then there would be little joy for whoever wins that. My hope is to see a grey come and whoop this formation and give me an amazing battle. If I did all that you ask here, I wouldn't even feel like I truly lost.
Don't get me wrong, I don't question your intentions and enjoyment of this whole thing. My point isn't that you are truly hoping you don't get beat, my point is that you WILL get beat just as sure as if those luck elements weren't in place. It will just take longer. All I'm trying to do is prove that this formation is formidable but far from invincible.

[allstarGL]

LOL, I would laugh so much if Street Gang defeated it and was invited to Netjak !!! :bigsmile:

Yea... dont play good players.. it would be a profit for Nj... Try Street Gang, Thash and other allstar players!
HEY!!! I resent that statement!!

[Hoolwath]

Ok, sorry, I will edit it.

EDIT: Done.

[BaxVarlet]

This sounds interesting, I'll try and come up with a good counter formation ( Too bad I don't have drops on Army, but oh well) and look foward to playing it at some time.

[Twelve]

Don't get me wrong, I don't question your intentions and enjoyment of this whole thing. My point isn't that you are truly hoping you don't get beat, my point is that you WILL get beat just as sure as if those luck elements weren't in place. It will just take longer. All I'm trying to do is prove that this formation is formidable but far from invincible.

Well, only time will tell if what you say is true.

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[allstarGL]

Ok, sorry, I will edit it.

EDIT: Done.
Now it sounds even worse!

[Hoolwath]

Yep! And you cant neg me, cause your pop ups are blocked... I had it all planned. :cool:

[Tcbb....]

What YOU propose is basically me setting up a fixed fight. And then there would be little joy for whoever wins that.
Greatest joy comes from winning the lottery, not recieving a paycheck. :D
Understand Twelve's wisdom here, guys.

[allstarGL]

That was no fun at all!!

[Twelve]

Allstar. Being the first person to post in this thread, I was expecting a good battle. I know his rep. I saw his strategy, but once he lost that scout...it was all over. The second flawless victory.

Beginning: http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3870/allstar7zf.png (http://imageshack.us)

End:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2078/allstarlose3dt.png (http://imageshack.us)

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[Pixel]

Twelve has only told me how to beat this formation!! HaHaHa!! :p

[CRX687]

End:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/2078/allstarlose3dt.png (http://imageshack.us)

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Lol, I love crater's words of wisdom in the background.

[allstarGL]

I had a good stratagy going in. I was going to sacrafice my scout to get in there with two knights and try and kill the two pyros and frost. But a front hit on my archer blew that right outta there. I was also hoping for same side but it really wouldn't have mattered I played horrible anyway.

[CRX687]

I had a good stratagy going in. I was going to sacrafice my scout to get in there with two knights and try and kill the two pyros and frost. But a front hit on my archer blew that right outta there. I was also hoping for same side but it really wouldn't have mattered I played horrible anyway.

Silly allstar, blocking is for cool people. :cool:

[Tcbb....]

That was no fun at all!!
Of course you are disappointed when you lose the lottery, but its much better than losing your paycheck.

[Twelve]

Twelve has only told me how to beat this formation!! HaHaHa!! :p

Shhhhh...

Well, my next fight was against Crater. Crater is easily the BEST player nobody knows about. Perhaps his most amazing victory was when he beat the legendary Bottle with the default formation. I knew that he was quite used to beating up golds with a grey account...so I was wary.

Now, based on what YOU all think is the best way to beat me, Crater had it ALL.

First turn AND a bomb:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5018/cr82tg.png (http://imageshack.us)

That was the beginning of excellent gameplay on his part. He used his assassin well, and my pyros refused to block. It was a challenging scramble...he played as if he knew what move I would do. It's very scary to think for the entire time given to make a move, and then your opponent moves immedietely after. That was Crater...I knew that I had to start surprising him quickly and make him think. Hence, the result:

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1408/cr8lost7jz.png (http://imageshack.us)

This game came VERY close to matching TCBB's game in difficulty. Thank you, bro. Happy you're already on Netjak. I just want to say that I hunted Crater down back in the early days of netjak..because I knew he had talent. Once again, I am happy that I found him. :)

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[CRATER]

Add me to the "got pwned by 12" list. :(

[Tcbb....]

Perhaps his most amazing victory was when he beat the legendary Bottle with the default formation

Wow, if I had done that. I would have at least mention it in ten posts.:)

Now, based on what YOU all think is the best way to beat me, Crater had it ALL
nah, his formation can't sniper your cleic.

[Tag Captain]

Perhaps his most amazing victory was when he beat the legendary Bottle with the default formation.

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Yeah, thanks for that, 12.

In my defence, it was only against my grey, and I got no blocks, but that's no excuse; I played badly (overconfidence), he played well, and I got outplayed.

I have been saying this for about a year now:

A good gold will NEVER lose to a grey.

[Twelve]

Snoopdawg, another Netjakker. I'm concerned about playing boys in my own clan because this form has been in our netcave for some time. Plust, I only have people on my clan that are the best. :)

Beginning:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8835/snoop2do.png (http://imageshack.us)

He went for the LW kill attempt. He should have read Rogue's post, because many lives were lost in that procedure. :)

But he played well, as you can see by the result.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7175/done5cy.png (http://imageshack.us)

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[CRX687]

I'm waiting...

[CRX687]

Grrr, I got first turn, but focused on the wrong side :(

[Twelve]

CRX. I think this is the first game in which hitting his knight from the front was the worst move to do.

Doing so led to him assassin bombing my knight and LW. :(

Nevertheless....

Beginning:

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/493/crx4qy.png (http://imageshack.us)

End:

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/845/crxend9ov.png (http://imageshack.us)

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[Twelve]

My victim list so far:

1. Sniper
2. $$$$$$$
3. Wack-Head
4. TCBB
5. Exiled
6. Sodamoeba
7. Beulabutt
8. Bludhoundz
9. Allstar
10. Crater
11. Snoopdawg
12. CRX

With twelve, my lucky number, I think I'll call it a day and get my house clean for the party tonight. My brain is shot....

Tell Tuxman I'll catch him lata....

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[Lonely Tylenol]

:cray: I ALWAYS GET HERE TOO LATE!

Twelve, stop being such a damned morning person! I can't play you if I'm asleep/getting ready for work. :crybaby:

Hahah.... On another note... Wow. I think Berz's post should be enough to indicate my abilities as a grey, but... Wow. To be ranked among such truly remarkable players as Cephas and Scout Blade... I am not worthy of this honor. :o

If there is anyone that could take on Twelve's setup, it'd be Scout Blade... For those of you who don't remember, he is the first and only person to beat Grey Jumper's anti-grey setup, which got him to 1457 without a single grey loss (and that was without knowing his setup beforehand).

[WaCk-HeAd]

My victim list so far:

1. Sniper
2. $$$$$$$
3. Wack-Head
4. TCBB
5. Exiled
6. Sodamoeba
7. Beulabutt
8. Bludhoundz
9. Allstar
10. Crater
11. Snoopdawg
12. CRX

With twelve, my lucky number, I think I'll call it a day and get my house clean for the party tonight. My brain is shot....

Tell Tuxman I'll catch him lata....

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I definitely feel that I earn a rematch, since I had to go in the middle of our game, with it still not being decided.

[Realist]

Ok, Twelve. Here's me challenging you. I haven't played in a long time, but I don't think your set is all that great. :)

I'm going to win.

[WaCk-HeAd]

BTW, I'm pretty dissapointed in the most "top" greys in this server.

"Lets depend on luck with setup and first turn and what not"

Pff.. What a joke.

Depending on luck is not only dishonourable, it is also weak.

Beat it with skill, and I'll call you a true victor.

If you got lucky with side and blocks and claim the victory, you're nothing more than the average fool.

[emerald slasher]

ugh 12 ive missed u twice now :(

[22woger22]

Ok, Twelve. Here's me challenging you. I haven't played in a long time, but I don't think your set is all that great. :)

I'm going to win.
Easier way for you to win Surrealist: Just ban him :).

:wink2:

-22-

[old_man_killer]

Ok, Twelve. Here's me challenging you. I haven't played in a long time, but I think your set is great. :)

I'm going to lose.

word

[CRX687]

If there is anyone that could take on Twelve's setup, it'd be Scout Blade... For those of you who don't remember, he is the first and only person to beat Grey Jumper's anti-grey setup, which got him to 1457 without a single grey loss (and that was without knowing his setup beforehand).

egh, scouty's not THAT good...

but if cephas can't do it, no one can.

[Realist]

word

My only fear is that someone might beat it before me. :cool:

[22woger22]

My only fear is that someone might beat it before me. :cool:
A bit too cocky there, Realist?

-22-

[Twelve]

Alright, I'm in between events and I see what's up on the forums real quick.

Oh, Realist is here? This should be fun. Here is my prediction for you:


13. Realist


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(and it's alright for Realist to be cocky...I am too in this thread...it makes it more entertaining)

[22woger22]

Alright, I'm in between events and I see what's up on the forums real quick.

Oh, Realist is here? This should be fun. Here is my prediction for you:


13. Realist


12

(and it's alright for Realist to be cocky...I am too in this thread...it makes it more entertaining)
Better be careful. 13 is a highly unlucky number :).

-22-

[Twelve]

I told you. This formation is luck-proof. Luck will never decide how these games end.

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[wolf-boy]

12 turned me down..he's scared

that's what i heard.

[22woger22]

12 turned me down..he's scared

that's what i heard.
Why'd he be scared of you, if he didn't turn down wack, crx, and TCBB?

-22-

[wolf-boy]

But im just... "Different"

[Twelve]

12 turned me down..he's scared

that's what i heard.

Right. I told everyone I wasn't playing again until tomorrow, but if you're going to lie like this, then I think I will turn you down from now on.

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[22woger22]

But im just... "Different"
Unlike in form, quality, amount, or nature; dissimilar:
If you're different to the good players, does this mean you're not as skillful ("Unlike in form, quality")?

[wolf-boy]

Lol, Twelve. It was a joke. I dont know if you took it seriously or not. I know you said that, I was just trying to make some fun out of it..lighten up.

[Twelve]

Lol, Twelve. It was a joke. I dont know if you took it seriously or not. I know you said that, I was just trying to make some fun out of it..lighten up.

What son? How dare you come into my trash-talking thread and tell me to "lighten up". Boy, now I'm about to light-up whatever formation you dare to bring on that field!!!

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[wolf-boy]

Lol, I'm looking forward to it. I enjoyed that last game we had in that tourny..tooth and nail.

[emerald slasher]

i havent played 12 since the first rev team selection

ill be using the account azulus if thats all right ( have a drop on it that i need :))

[KBHoleN1]

BTW, I'm pretty dissapointed in the most "top" greys in this server.

"Lets depend on luck with setup and first turn and what not"

Pff.. What a joke.

Depending on luck is not only dishonourable, it is also weak.

Beat it with skill, and I'll call you a true victor.

If you got lucky with side and blocks and claim the victory, you're nothing more than the average fool.
Wack, we always see eye-to-eye. When I get the chance, I will use my normal form for my gray acocunt, not a form designed to counter Twelve's. That said, first move is not important and skill will be required to do any damage to his record.

[Realist]

When I get the chance, I will use my normal form for my gray acocunt, not a form designed to counter Twelve's.

I was going to say the same thing in my last post, seems I forgot. I will also use only my normal form in this battle.

[emerald slasher]

ill admit it..ill use a form i desgined to counter it.... however later if twelves up for it ill try my normal form

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

If I play I will probably end up using my normal form. What would be the point of my using a gray form consistently if I wasn't able to defend against any form.

Psst, CRX and all you GA supporters, note the emphasis on gray :p

[The Exile]

BTW, I'm pretty dissapointed in the most "top" greys in this server.

"Lets depend on luck with setup and first turn and what not"

Pff.. What a joke.

Depending on luck is not only dishonourable, it is also weak.

Beat it with skill, and I'll call you a true victor.

If you got lucky with side and blocks and claim the victory, you're nothing more than the average fool.
The thread title explained that this formation was unbeatable by any grey formation, no matter how lucky or skillful. That's what I'm out to prove wrong.

I think I could probably beat 12's formation, given a large number of attempts and a lot of luck, with my regular formation. But we don't have a large number of attempts, since everyone's so eager to have a go, the poor guy doesn't have time to give us rematches... so I'll stick to showing that the formation is not actually unbeatable, and beat him fair and square later when the furore has died down :)

[Twelve]

Well, I'm making a forum run and then I'll be on in about 10 minutes.

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[Lonely Tylenol]

Oh... Oh my gosh... You're playing... Mithrandir! HUZZAH! GO MITH!

...I mean... Lose, so I can finally get my chance! :p

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

If Mith loses I'm blaming you now :cool:

[Twelve]

Better be careful. 13 is a highly unlucky number :).

-22-

22 jinxed me really good. :)

So, Mithrandir pretty much came with the set everyone said would beat me. He got first turn AND the right side. Beginning:

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6457/mith0so.png (http://imageshack.us)

There was ONE mistake that I made that, if I had not made it, perhaps I could have avoided this. Nevertheless, this is how it ended:

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6521/unlucky131xj.png (http://imageshack.us)


CONGRATS MITHRANDIR!

There was a stone perfectly made to take me down. I can't say that the battle entirely IMPRESSED me(the opening moves were all pre-planned and ordered...not much strategy needed), nevertheless I am defeated.

I find it interesting that I won as many games as my favorite number in the world, and lost on the number which is supposedly unlucky. I've never believed in luck until now. My anti-grey was not stronger than the unluckiest number in history.

I will keep my word and give him 20 bucks. He will now be the only person to be able to say that he beat this formation in FPS. I will not be using this formation for awhile now, so that Mithrandir alone can make this claim.

Mithrandir, champion, my David, all the glory is yours and I thank you for proving something to me.

I also appreciate all of the participants. I did this because I still believe TAO is a very fun game and worth the study. I truly enjoyed the analyzing and plotting, mind games and trash-talking. That's what this game is all about and that's how this game should remain. It was very, very entertaining. I hope that I helped people love this game just a little bit more, at least.

Peace out, and again thanx!!!

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[Jeffery]

Bah. I beat Twelves formation using the default setup. Long battle, and in the end he was crying.
I have screenshots, just too lazy to post the.
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[Realist]

My only fear is that someone might beat it before me. :cool:

Sigh.

Congrats, Mith.

[Lonely Tylenol]

I will keep my word and give him 20 bucks. He will now be the only person to be able to say that he beat this formation in FPS. I will not be using this formation for awhile now, so that Mithrandir alone can make this claim.

:cray: I've been waiting weeks for this moment and the guy before me takes the win? How cruel...

I know Mith probably won't see this (since he's been retired and whatnot), but my congradulations, bro. Good to see someone that [was] AK take the prize. :bigsmile:

[EatMine]

Nice, pwned!
Finally the big mouthing stops :)

First and foremost:
Thank you, 12, for setting up a challenge like this and backing it up.
Attitudes like this keep the game worthwhile!

He will now be the only person to be able to say that he beat this formation in FPSThat's because all the other good players have not played yet, of course :rolleyes:

Congrats, Mith! Nice to know, that after all these netjaks tried, the first AK to come immediately ends it, hehe
Now use your right to brag and flame the crap outta him :D

[The Exile]

Well, that formation Mithrandir used DOES look familiar... :confused: :wink2:

[22woger22]

22 jinxed me really good. :)

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Wow, I didn't do it intentionally :(. I've took up a new faith of numbers now that you lost on the unlucky 13.

Praise the 22! :notworth: :notworth:

Nice win Mithrandir! But I thought he didn't play anymore. . .

That's because all the other good players have not played yet, of course
CRX played, WaCk played, TCBB played, and some more. Some have 1800 stats.

-22-

[Mithrandir]

Thanks y’all for the support. And thanks Twelve for a heck of a match, though the majority of the challenge for me was in planning my strategy.
There was ONE mistake that I made that, if I had not made it, perhaps I could have avoided this.
Just curious, what was this mistake you refer to? The pyro entering LW range?

The only thing I’m aware of that could have potentially avoided the cleric loss would have been if you had attacked my scout with your DSM, forcing me to sacrifice him if I had taken your cleric.
He got first turn AND the right side.
Indeed, which was of course absolutely key (though I would have fought very bravely and died very quickly if I hadn't gotten that coin toss). And I also got a pretty crucial scout front block and a crucial witch block. All in all it probably evened out in the end with some side blocks and side hits that went your way, plus the game complicating front knight hit but by then the damage was done and it didn’t matter as much.
I can't say that the battle entirely IMPRESSED me(the opening moves were all pre-planned and ordered...not much strategy needed), nevertheless I am defeated.
Well, not much in the realm of tactics anyway. I can safely claim that my tactics were far inferior to the level of those like Tcbb that came so close without a cleric killing charge. Preparing my attack did of course take some strategy, particularly in the aspect of losing only my pyromancers and killing your cleric, DSM and lightning ward and wounding your pyromancer and scout. But I would be much more impressed if someone beat your formation in an opp side game. I don’t think I have the skill to accomplish that feat, not against you anyway.

The concept of the tournament ensures a game more like chess than TAO, because of the importance of having an anonymous opening setup (unless of course people like wack-head choose to not abuse that advantage). Some would call it a bad thing, I happen to think that's what made this a significantly different kind of tournament.
He will now be the only person to be able to say that he beat this formation in FPS. I will not be using this formation for awhile now, so that Mithrandir alone can make this claim.
It’s up to you but I’d much rather you let it continue. I know a lot of people wanted to try and didn’t get the chance (not their fault I showed up around the time you posted you were coming on in ten minutes and then proceeded to stalk the lobby). This is one of the most interesting tournament ideas I have ever seen (I’d love to see one of the mods make a setup unbeatable against golds ;) ) and the last thing I want to do is kill the fun. I was first, that’s more than enough of a satisfying claim for me. Ending it or not is up to you of course but please don't end it on my account.
Bah. I beat Twelves formation using the default setup. Long battle, and in the end he was crying. I have screenshots, just too lazy to post the.
lol. Long live black writing.
First and foremost:
Thank you, 12, for setting up a challenge like this and backing it up.
Attitudes like this keep the game worthwhile!
I don’t think it can be summed up better than that. I’d like to throw in that it’s pretty remarkable for a player to make an extreme claim, trash-talk a lot and literally, put his money where his mouth is. I’m amazed and impressed that you don’t seem disappointed in the least.
Congrats, Mith! Nice to know, that after all these netjaks tried, the first AK to come immediately ends it, hehe
Well thanks EatMine. I love AK but my loyalty still lies first and foremost with SI.
Now use your right to brag and flame the crap outta him
Haha, maybe another time. I feel a bit more like making pro-SI-anti-netjak claims actually. :cool:
Well, that formation Mithrandir used DOES look familiar...
I couldn’t think of another way to kill the cleric. I worked over this problem in my head a lot and the double pyros plus the scout seemed like the best strategy. I won't pretend I didn't see your setup before creating mine, though I do think I would have figured it out anyway.

I don’t think I’d have won with your formation though, just because playing styles and strategies vary with the players that use them. I needed the witch to kill his DSM and remain a threat, and later on cripple his scout and dragon. The chanty wouldn’t have worked for the strategy I was working with. Also, the key in my mind was to kill the cleric with my scout alive, which is why I placed the barrier ward far away from his scout. Old Man Killer pointed out very accurately to Ciompi that a dead cleric meant nothing with no ranged units left.
Nice win Mithrandir! But I thought he didn't play anymore. . .
I’ve lurked every now and then to keep an eye on things and check my PM box. I saw the tourney and couldn’t help myself. I am still retired, I figure it’s worth making one or two posts though. :)

[22woger22]

No! Come back Mith! Come back. . . Come back. . . Come back. . .

Too late :(.

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[wolf-boy]

Dude, nice job mith. Swat down the invite!

[22woger22]

Dude, nice job mith. Swat down the invite!
Of course, he's retired.

-22-

[emerald slasher]

well thanks 12 for hosting this im disappointed i didnt get to play but o well there'll be other times

congrats mith for the win...i look foreward to more things like this :)

[EatMine]

I love AK but my loyalty still lies first and foremost with SISorry, didn't know ... Please forget my AK-comment then.
If you're SI by heart, then of course this is an "SI wiiiiin"
I hope this great clan can solve its current problems as soon as possible and continue with business as usual ...

[Noda]

YEAHYA MITH.

SI WIN :)

althogh after reading the first 12 pages i had spent like 2 hours making a form and strategy to beat twelve lol...then i red the last ones.

good job. but just to be a pain. im pretty sure just a normal old school turtle with 2 scouts and a muddy would beat any grey if the user was good at defence(bottle)

i mean, i bet even my anti-rush is unstopable to grey....a grey form with 2 scouts is way up on a grey form with scout and assasin.

oh and twelve....hehe, good thread mad props.

[Mithrandir]

good job. but just to be a pain. im pretty sure just a normal old school turtle with 2 scouts and a muddy would beat any grey if the user was good at defence(bottle)

i mean, i bet even my anti-rush is unstopable to grey....a grey form with 2 scouts is way up on a grey form with scout and assasin.
Then by all means make your own thread and go for it! You could call it "Noda's Invincible Anti-Grey Formation Competition." Why on earth not? This concept is just too good to die after just one of them. I want to see an anti-grey form with a furgon. :)

Though I don't know if this has ended yet or not. Twelve hasn't posted since I suggested he keep it going.

[emerald slasher]

anti grey with furgy=unbeatable if its in a good players hands like noda

[Mithrandir]

Em, do you think you could be unbeatable against greys using a furgon set, even if you posted a screeny of your opening set here?

[emerald slasher]

truthfully no..i havent got much exprerience turtling but if say wolfy or wack-head were to put a frugy/turtle up it couldnt be betean

[Mithrandir]

Somebody must try it! I'll bet Bottle would have been incredible at this. He was one of the greatest greys ever and one of the greatest turtlers ever.

Unless Twelve demands compensation for the idea (which would be silly) this needs to happen again.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

With some alterations (more unblockable units), my anti-rush could deal some heavy gray damage.

Once I removed the scout and possibly the pyros I could just work my trap.

[Warcow]

I think my turtle would have done a great deal better against greys . . .

A furgon does wonders in stopping greys, I would recommend it in any "grey killer"

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

A gray cannot combat a furgon without a pyro, even with one their low defense makes them easy targets. Add a frostie and it's a walk in the park.

[Warcow]

You don't even need a frosty, the furgon stops pretty much any chance of you getting mage bombed. I think it was either tyu or ric that mage bombed me, all witches and pyros, furgon saved my life.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

Or they can just furgon whore you :dry:

I hate it when a gold jumps you as a gray with a turtle and just furgon whores you because they can't turtle. Ugh.

[Tcbb....]

Congradulations Mithrandir. And thanx 12 again for this great tourney idea.

[Tcbb....]

BTW, I'm pretty dissapointed in the most "top" greys in this server.

"Lets depend on luck with setup and first turn and what not"

Pff.. What a joke.

Depending on luck is not only dishonourable, it is also weak.

Beat it with skill, and I'll call you a true victor.

If you got lucky with side and blocks and claim the victory, you're nothing more than the average fool.

There are 3 ways a grey can beat a gold turtle:
1. Same side rush/bomb.
2. Extreme luck.
3. Gold makes a lot of n00b mistakes.

Simply put, skill level difference alone can't overcome superior units. You are way overconfident about your skill.

[Hoolwath]

Tcbb.

I didnt get to play Twelve. If I would kill his LW with a witch, LW, BW combo and then move my full witch to kill his cleric he wouldnt escape. I beat good golds with a same-side Turtle. I beat a 1700 gold with my turtle sameside and 1500 opposite.

I agree with Wack. Lets beat it with a normal formation not a formation set only for that one form.

Congrats Mith, though.

[Lonely Tylenol]

I think my turtle would have done a great deal better against greys . . .

A furgon does wonders in stopping greys, I would recommend it in any "grey killer"

I eat Furgons for breakfast.

A gray cannot combat a furgon without a pyro, even with one their low defense makes them easy targets. Add a frostie and it's a walk in the park.

Two Pyros.

Two Pyros are the most versatile tool for gold-killing. Gold turtles, counter Furgons completely, and keep pressure on Frosty... Gold rushes, stack damage and versatile range.

Furgon can be kept in check quite easily. It's the DSM I hate.

And that's why I wanted to fight Twelve... I want my grey spread to be able to overcome anything, tweak it to perfection. Guess I'll just need to find another way... :cool:

[Hoolwath]

I eat Furgons for breakfast.



Two Pyros.

Two Pyros are the most versatile tool for gold-killing. Gold turtles, counter Furgons completely, and keep pressure on Frosty... Gold rushes, stack damage and versatile range.

Furgon can be kept in check quite easily. It's the DSM I hate.

And that's why I wanted to fight Twelve... I want my grey spread to be able to overcome anything, tweak it to perfection. Guess I'll just need to find another way... :cool:

Ouch! Must be a hard time spent in the bathroom then... I mean.. They have claws! :eek:

[WaCk-HeAd]

There are 3 ways a grey can beat a gold turtle:
1. Same side rush/bomb.
2. Extreme luck.
3. Gold makes a lot of n00b mistakes.

Simply put, skill level difference alone can't overcome superior units. You are way overconfident about your skill.

We never played, don't tell me I'm overconfident about my skill.

Of course you have to compensate Twelve's unit advantage with skill, and I admit that this will be extremely hard with Twelve on the other side of the field if not impossible, but that was also what Twelve was looking for.

He wasn't looking for a match in creating setups, believe me he would have won that easily. He was looking for an awesome match, for a player was that good in this game to overcome the unit difference. He was looking for an amazing challenge.

Mith, congratulations, you know I respect you and we had a great grey vs grey match, but I'm very disappointed in the end result. I'm disappointed that Realist didn't get hammered :wink2:, and I'm disappointed that this tourney had to end because of luck rather than skill.

And for all the douchebags that are claiming that his setup would have done a lot better (Warcow), prove it. Organise a tourney and prove that your setup is a lot better. Put your money where your mouth is.

If not, don't come in here claiming all kind of shit. You're not only spoiling the fun this tourney created, you're also making an ass out of yourself.

[Lonely Tylenol]

I missed this!

There are 3 ways a grey can beat a gold turtle:
1. Same side rush/bomb.
2. Extreme luck.
3. Gold makes a lot of n00b mistakes.

Simply put, skill level difference alone can't overcome superior units. You are way overconfident about your skill.

Not true. Skill difference is probably the easiest means with which to overcome a gold turtle... What better way to overcome an opponent's strategy than to be experienced enough to know how it works? :wink2:

And for all the douchebags that are claiming that his setup would have done a lot better (Warcow), prove it. Organise a tourney and prove that your setup is a lot better. Put your money where your mouth is.

Sadly, my gold turtle has already lost to three greys. As noobish as it sounds...

My first loss was an honest loss to Monkus; no excuses, I was outplayed.

My second loss was to marklar2, in which I made a shameful mistake that allowed him to take two of my units with an Assassin Bomb by move 4. (Later beaten with 7 units left, in a situation where he didn't bomb.)

My third and final loss was to some guy named lndred CoId, in which I made several noob mistakes, including move 1, in which I Mud Quaked his formation in LW range without Stoning... Miraculously, I saved it, only to lose it to the same LW later on after Mud Quaking my own Dragon to death. I out-noobed my opponent.

Since there is no honor in beating me as a grey, I will refrain from making silly tourneys. :cray: I'm so pathetic. Wahhh!

[Realist]

My most hated gold unit when I'm grey is the mud, by far. Specifically, the stoned mud. He can live forever and just stand in the middle of my turtle quaking the whole thing to pieces. I invite any chance to play a good gold who isn't using a mud with my grey turtle, even if there isn't a $20 payout when I win.

When I get the opportunity to face a gold without a mud or amusher or wisp, well, that's even better. I consider my chances not bad if I also get same side such that the scouts can't pick off my cleric/enchy from the side.

Pyro's are easy in comparison--they have 3 recovery and, even when stoned, can be taken out fairly easily with knights/magic users.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

Punisher almost beat my gold turtle gray once, that was impressive.

[Warcow]

And for all the douchebags that are claiming that his setup would have done a lot better (Warcow), prove it. Organise a tourney and prove that your setup is a lot better. Put your money where your mouth is.

If not, don't come in here claiming all kind of shit. You're not only spoiling the fun this tourney created, you're also making an ass out of yourself.

Will do, that wasn't supposed to be an arrogant comment, I really mean it. The DSM and pyro, and then lack of Furgon are 12's weakness. With no armour, they go down insanely quickly, and even armoured 2 shots from a knight takes them to the ground.

LT, 2 pyros do not counter the furgon, not if you use it right. If they are willing to blast their own pyro, then maybe, but then it makes an easy kill.

[Tcbb....]

We never played, don't tell me I'm overconfident about my skill.


By claiming you can beat a game master with surpior units with skill only, you showed your overconfidence.


I didnt get to play Twelve. If I would kill his LW with a witch, LW, BW combo and then move my full witch to kill his cleric he wouldnt escape.

In the mean time, his 2 pyros will blast your units apart. Even if your strategy works, it could be considered a same side rush strategy.


My most hated gold unit when I'm grey is the mud
agree. Furgon is less threatening.

[WaCk-HeAd]

By claiming you can beat