View Full Version : The Official Revelation Team Selection Thread
Twelve
09-14-2005, 10:22 AM
Alright, it's time to get this thing in order.
Dove and Wolfy, thanx for your work and though this selection process hasn't been brought into true resolution yet, the two of you have certainly shed light in many regards. I look foward to working with both of you in this selection process.
It's sad that, this time around, it is WE who are having a hard time coming up with a team to face Legends. Last time, it was the other way around. I almost took charge of making a Legends team back then because I was playing there, but I knew that I had to leap the pond and wouldn't have the time to do it.
That being said, I am well known in both TAO and Legends. I have spoken to the powers that be in Legends and asked for their official endorsement as me being the Rev Selection Leader here. They have given it to me. I've spoken to Dove and he has let me take charge. Hugh Junit, moderator here(just in case you don't know...hehe) will be helping me to promote it around here.
This is how it will go. I will need everyone who cares about this to send an email to revelationteam@gmail.com
When you send this email with your TAO game name, please make a list of 7 players you think should represent TAO for the Revelation team, and 2 players that would be substitute. A total of 9 players.
No more, no less. We will ignore a list of 8 players and ignore a list of 10. Only 9.
These 9 should be well rounded players. Or at least capable of making up for one another's weaknesses. Think of your 9 player dream-team from TAO, but also keep in mind that we can only pick people who are currently playing. Don't waste your list by picking people who have retired.
I want your game name because I want your name to be recognized by Wolfy, Dove and I who will be looking at this list and selecting the players who will represent us. This will stop n00bs from coming from out of nowhere and stacking the vote in the wrong direction.
This is the first step in this process. It MIGHT be the final step, depending on what the turnout is. Much respect will be given to those who were on the original Rev team and who tried their best to be in this one.
(Also, as a side note, Bottle has voiced his desire to return for this tourney, so keep him in mind when making your list.)
Let's get this on. Legends, be afraid. Be VERY afraid.
12
P.S. VERY Important: The last day to send your lists will this SUNDAY, September 18, 2005.
allstarGL
09-14-2005, 10:35 AM
I have my list ready but I have a few questions. Do you want me to tell you what styles I think the people should play and do I pick a captain?
Twelve
09-14-2005, 10:44 AM
I have my list ready but I have a few questions. Do you want me to tell you what styles I think the people should play and do I pick a captain?
Don't worry about the captain.
But keep the styles in mind only such much as to make sure the team is well-balanced. You don't want 9 people who can only turtle, or 9 people who can only freestyle or 9 people who can only gray. Either think of 9 who can do all of it or think of a team that would be well balanced with each other.
12
allstarGL
09-14-2005, 10:47 AM
Yea ok I thought of a well balanced team, I was just a little uncertain about those things thanks for clearing it up for me and my team will be in any minute now.
speaker4thedead
09-14-2005, 11:18 AM
12 it wont let me send a message using that link can i send it can i send it using a normal e-mail?
wolf-boy
09-14-2005, 11:19 AM
Mine has been sent. It was tough. I started to not remember names.
The Exile
09-14-2005, 11:34 AM
I wasn't quite sure whether player had to enter 2 categories each like in the "first" Rev vs. Legends tournament, or just one. But my team was pretty much the same for either.
FryLock
09-14-2005, 12:20 PM
After talking to a few friends and colleagues on TAO, I've decided to offer my name up for consideration.
Regardless of what one may or may not believe happened in other matters, I think I'm pretty darn skilled and well-qualified to be on the team.
So, consider me...or not.
Twelve
09-14-2005, 12:21 PM
12 it wont let me send a message using that link can i send it can i send it using a normal e-mail?
Huh? Send us an email using that email address. I don't understand what the problem is.
Exile, one team....one team only please.
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Twelve
09-14-2005, 12:22 PM
Remember to include your Forum name with the list!!! This is important!
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Twelve
09-14-2005, 12:27 PM
As for if you can vote for yourself or not...well...hehe...that's a matter of judgement. It's either brash or honest, depending on your point of view.
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FryLock
09-14-2005, 12:28 PM
*nudges 12*
Nice triple post. May I direct thee to the edit button? :p
Twelve
09-14-2005, 12:30 PM
Hehe
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The Exile
09-14-2005, 12:34 PM
Why not just write pc +4?
Warcow
09-14-2005, 01:17 PM
Sent.
Geeky_Bastard
09-14-2005, 02:04 PM
i sent my list :D
allstarGL
09-14-2005, 02:16 PM
Woah hold up a second here. If fry is in my list needs to be changed, same with if warcow is in. Warcow can you clarify weither or not you want to be in this?
Geeky_Bastard
09-14-2005, 02:22 PM
oops... one of my people didn'y really express any desire to be on the team... oh well lol
Twelve
09-14-2005, 02:26 PM
Woah hold up a second here. If fry is in my list needs to be changed, same with if warcow is in. Warcow can you clarify weither or not you want to be in this?
Lol...guess we know two people on YOUR list, eh?
Alright, well, please handle exact names via pm next time, bro. I don't want this to be a popularity contest as much as I can help it.
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Warcow
09-14-2005, 03:35 PM
Woah hold up a second here. If fry is in my list needs to be changed, same with if warcow is in. Warcow can you clarify weither or not you want to be in this?
Yes, I do want to play in this.
zzzaacckk
09-14-2005, 04:05 PM
I hope to send mine soon.
Twelve
09-14-2005, 04:15 PM
As long as you know Sunday is the last day, fine.
12
speaker4thedead
09-14-2005, 04:43 PM
had to make some changes but... sent
allstarGL
09-14-2005, 06:36 PM
Ok I sent a list just based upon the people that were in the tourny. However now I need to revise my list. I think it's a good thing I asked warcow because I'm not sure many people knew he wanted to be in this. You never know he might not be on my list :p YEA RIGHT.....
Dragoen Link
09-14-2005, 06:56 PM
Sent :)
Zoticus
09-14-2005, 10:15 PM
Maybe Darque will win this one agian fo rus. :eek:
2xfire
09-14-2005, 10:42 PM
sent
Sir Vivian
09-15-2005, 01:41 AM
Not Sent.
WaCk-HeAd
09-15-2005, 02:46 AM
Sent.
bludhoundz
09-15-2005, 05:49 AM
I'll have to think about it, cause I didn't really follow who won the rev tourns.
Edit: For those who think I am good enough to be in this, I will be active.
WaCk-HeAd
09-15-2005, 06:37 AM
I actually didn't pay attention to people winning whatever at all. I don't care who's active or who's not or whatever, I picked the people I know would represent us the best. To see whether they're active is something 12, dove, and wolfman have to figure out.
Twelve
09-15-2005, 08:31 AM
Not Sent.
Not cool.
Are you.
:)
12
Tag Captain
09-15-2005, 10:47 AM
Yes, I'll come back for this. I need to get some practise in though, so maybe next week I'll start playing again...
And my team is sent.
wolf-boy
09-15-2005, 11:02 AM
Well, Welcome back bottle. That is you..right?
Warcow
09-15-2005, 12:05 PM
Damnit! See, now I'd change my list if Botts is back . . .
The Exile
09-15-2005, 12:38 PM
Twelve said on the first post that Bottle was interested.
I put him on my team.
Warcow
09-15-2005, 12:57 PM
Twelve said on the first post that Bottle was interested.
I put him on my team.
Damn, somehow I missed that, stupid, stupid WC.
If it changes anything 12, I'd put Bottle over any of the people I listed.
Twelve
09-15-2005, 01:13 PM
Damn, somehow I missed that, stupid, stupid WC.
If it changes anything 12, I'd put Bottle over any of the people I listed.
Just resend your list and make sure you say that the earlier one doesn't count. I've not even checked the lists yet, but when I do I would like to avoid all confusion.
12
WaCk-HeAd
09-15-2005, 01:15 PM
See! That's what you get by determing yourself who's active or not active. Let them handle that and just choose who you want ffs!
2xfire
09-15-2005, 01:20 PM
So how long do you figure this step will take 12?
Twelve
09-15-2005, 01:23 PM
So how long do you figure this step will take 12?
This step ends Sunday.
12
wolf-boy
09-15-2005, 03:03 PM
Hmm, I put carlos22 as one of my selections, and I don't know if it was so wise. Is he even fps? If he isn't on fps, or multiple people, bottle will replace him.
The Exile
09-15-2005, 04:52 PM
Carlos22 plays on both TAO and Legends, I believe. Having said that, one of my nominees (Twelve) was on Legends for a long time.
Dragoen Link
09-15-2005, 04:58 PM
Hmm, I put carlos22 as one of my selections, and I don't know if it was so wise. Is he even fps? If he isn't on fps, or multiple people, bottle will replace him.
Carlos22 is a shared account anyways....Juast put ~Gladiator~ :rolleyes:
Twelve
09-15-2005, 05:13 PM
Carlos22 plays on both TAO and Legends, I believe. Having said that, one of my nominees (Twelve) was on Legends for a long time.
Yeah, but...let me just clarify right now that if I'm picked, I'm playing for the TAO team. Sheesh.
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Warcow
09-15-2005, 05:14 PM
Wait . . . So it's gladiator that plays on the Carlos22 account?
Is his goal just to get his stats as high as possible everywhere?
Wolfman
09-15-2005, 05:24 PM
great... 12.. u should get my list ASAP... i will do it saturday.... got to think u know....
n also, guys, if u think wolf is off the radar.. think again..... if u consider me..... wolf will bite....
Bite Me! Legenders!
wolfy
To Cow, Bot, Fry.... welcome back to support this my bros..... guess who r on my favorite 3 tur ppl list??? :P
Twelve
09-15-2005, 05:34 PM
O.K. I admit. I'm starting to get excited...
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Wolfman
09-15-2005, 06:34 PM
guys, i wish to add to this thread that perhaps many may not know,
SNARR n THEBURNING is back to support this....
if u want snarr to be on the team.. plz vote for snarr.
if u want TB to be on the team, plz vote for TB.
if u want Snarr n TB on the team, plz vote for both.
if u donno who r they..... then go to hell, they are both original members of Rev Team.
Peace.
Wolfy
allstarGL
09-15-2005, 09:33 PM
Wow before I think I could have probably told everyone who was going to be at least half the team. Now I have no clue. We have so many good players going out for it now. Whoever gets picked now will truely be the best of the best. We are going to have one kick ass representation. Look out legends your asses are going to get kicked SOO HARD :p
Dragoen Link
09-15-2005, 10:05 PM
I wouldnt want to be a legends player right now :) WE WILL WE WILL ROCK YOU *clap* *clap* *OWNED* :rolleyes:
EleMENTAL
09-15-2005, 11:25 PM
DL would be a good addition to the team. He kicks ass
Dragoen Link
09-15-2005, 11:41 PM
DL would be a good addition to the team. He kicks ass
Ahhh Shuckss :blush2: :yes2: :bb:
22woger22
09-16-2005, 02:13 AM
Ahhh Shuckss :yes2: :bb:
How modest.
Sarcasm ...... Or not? *plays eerie music*
-22-
The Exile
09-16-2005, 06:16 AM
Well, doesn't that now mean that 6 of the original 7 Rev team members are now available to be picked?
Why not just keep the same team FPS used to have, and put 12 in Rantzu's place as he's organising it (and is a damn good player to boot)?
speaker4thedead
09-16-2005, 07:50 AM
whats the betting on the 6 old team members being on the team again :rolleyes:
Twelve
09-16-2005, 09:22 AM
Well, doesn't that now mean that 6 of the original 7 Rev team members are now available to be picked?
Why not just keep the same team FPS used to have, and put 12 in Rantzu's place as he's organising it (and is a damn good player to boot)?
We'll handle this in just the way stated thus far.
If the votes end up showing that the FPS team is composed of:
Thash
Netjaker
Stiffy
and 6 other people of such great reputation, then that's what we voted for.
:)
12
WaCk-HeAd
09-16-2005, 09:48 AM
Well, doesn't that now mean that 6 of the original 7 Rev team members are now available to be picked?
Why not just keep the same team FPS used to have, and put 12 in Rantzu's place as he's organising it (and is a damn good player to boot)?
Different times, different Rev team.
Dragoen Link
09-16-2005, 11:09 AM
Hopefully :rolleyes:
Geeky_Bastard
09-16-2005, 03:16 PM
my chances just went down the toilet :(
Swift
09-16-2005, 06:41 PM
Yeah, same with me. In an all out tourney, I could at least win all my games to be in, but I'm not going to get many votes in this, nobody knows me :(
The Exile
09-17-2005, 06:04 AM
Yeah, same with me. In an all out tourney, I could at least win all my games to be in, but I'm not going to get many votes in this, nobody knows me :(
You were in my team.
*The Nothing*
09-17-2005, 06:45 AM
I would love to take part in this tourney, please let me in on it. :)
*The Nothing*
09-17-2005, 06:58 AM
1. Frylock
2. ~gladiator~
3.Catalyst
4.Warcow
5.Moose
6.Wolfman
7.TheBurning
*TN* :cool:
Tag Captain
09-17-2005, 07:59 AM
3.Catalyst
*TN* :cool:
I veto this idea. Do we really want a cheater representing us?
WaCk-HeAd
09-17-2005, 08:01 AM
Please, like anyone would actually consider his votes.
Twelve
09-17-2005, 08:26 AM
I would love to take part in this tourney, please let me in on it. :)
LOL...
Let me just say up front and publically that I will not LET you be on the team. My position regarding you will be of no mystery.
12
Sodamoeba
09-17-2005, 08:37 AM
So...hows legends doing in getting a team?
Twelve
09-17-2005, 08:43 AM
Their team is finished. The list is somewhere.
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allstarGL
09-17-2005, 11:48 AM
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Helldead Reaper
Nemesis25
Twelve
09-17-2005, 12:48 PM
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Helldead Reaper
Nemesis25
*rubs hands together and schemes*
12
allstarGL
09-17-2005, 12:49 PM
Provides the evil *MWHAHAHAHAHAHA* in the backround.
haha i couldnt tell if that was ur choiuce for here or legends...so many of them play here.
but yeh...easy :)
Twelve
09-18-2005, 08:07 AM
Last day to vote.
12
ironhorse123
09-18-2005, 08:09 AM
12 I was wondering I did send you a PM. Is that alright or not?
Twelve
09-18-2005, 08:18 AM
12 I was wondering I did send you a PM. Is that alright or not?
I'll accept it.
12
Realist
09-18-2005, 08:24 AM
Sent. :cool:
ironhorse123
09-18-2005, 08:26 AM
I'll accept it.
12
Alright then my vote has been sent! :)
Mithrandir
09-18-2005, 08:26 AM
I haven't played enough gold games to be qualified to make an educated enough selection, hence my lack of votes.
Good luck. :)
WaCk-HeAd
09-18-2005, 08:56 AM
Edit: Doh! Wrong thread.
EatMine
09-18-2005, 09:18 AM
I haven't played enough gold games to be qualified to make an educated enough selection, hence my lack of votes.
Yep, same here. I have not played most of the top players, so i can't choose 9 people. The three best players (who i played !) on GL are Dragoen Link, allstar and the ever-impressive noda.
But i think the selection process is done by competent people, who even know the legends guys, so i really am looking forward to this "clash of the Titans".
I think most of the guys, who will be selected, learned to love the game on the legends server, but then choose to make TAO their home (as did i), so:
TAO fighters, go and show them, where the true legends are located nowadays!
(one question: since there will be heavy "intra-clan" talk during the games anyway, is it somehow possible to organize a live-coverage of the event? with live-analysis of moves and stuff? that would be sooo cool ... I mean, hey, this is the world-championships ...)
Wolfman
09-18-2005, 02:53 PM
just sent my vote.
wolfy
Red Fire
09-18-2005, 03:42 PM
Sent.
Twelve
09-18-2005, 07:50 PM
Dove, Wolf and I will begin the discussion process on Monday! I still haven't looked through the votes so I have no clue what I'll find.
12
emerald slasher
09-18-2005, 07:54 PM
ugh i wanna join but i cant narrow down my list :(
The Prophet
09-18-2005, 09:53 PM
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Helldead Reaper
Nemesis25
Aza will be replacing Helldead Reaper.
Also, 12 please direct all questions or info to my concerning the Legends team. Thanks.
Bodexxx
09-19-2005, 07:55 AM
haha i couldnt tell if that was ur choiuce for here or legends...so many of them play here.
but yeh...easy :)
easy eh? Let's see. :)
Twelve
09-19-2005, 08:25 AM
Alright. Now I've begun to look.
A big flaw that many made was putting CRX on their list of choices, since he opted to play for the Legends team for some odd reason(I know he was originally from there, but still..)
Neverthless, I've begun to look, and so will Wolf and Dove. All votes will be considered, obviously.
We will also be looking at the people who actually put effort into the original attempt to make the team. This does NOT gurantee their place on the team, but let me just give a hypothetical example of what I mean by this: if, for example, Swift got the same amount of votes as someone who has been voted for by the masses, I will automatically view Swift as being ahead.
I'm not saying this has happened, but that's how I will be looking at it.
One thing is for sure, though, just from my quick glimpse: our team will be hot.
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wolf-boy
09-19-2005, 08:26 AM
That's good to hear, I look forward to seeing the team.
Twelve
09-19-2005, 09:46 AM
As far as I can see, the team is very obvious and the people have very clearly made a good choice. I have the list of 9 based on my calculations and assessment, now it's just a matter of having Wolfman and Dove look it over and agree/disagree/discuss. But I would be VERY surprised if they come up with a different team based on a fair look at what has taken place in this process.
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Mithrandir
09-19-2005, 09:53 AM
So how long til you make the announcement?
Twelve
09-19-2005, 12:11 PM
Should be today or tomorrow, depending on when Dove and Wolf look at the results and come to their own conclusions.
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wolf-boy
09-19-2005, 05:23 PM
Could you mark down who had how many votes, or is that too much trouble?
Twelve
09-19-2005, 05:42 PM
Could you mark down who had how many votes, or is that too much trouble?
I plan to do just that.
12
Wolfman
09-19-2005, 08:09 PM
12, i think letting the voting results will not do good to ppls morale.. especially between team mate... we don need any jealousy between team mates.
guys.... u just hv to trust 12, dove n me on this.
wolfy
Warcow
09-19-2005, 08:10 PM
But I want to know how much I was passed over by :(
Wolfman
09-19-2005, 08:15 PM
But I want to know how much I was passed over by :(
no one like cow..... so u r not even mentioned in the voting mails.... :P
i donno if u can handle that..... :P
or if i say.... wolf got more votes than cow... can u handle that????
jk.... hehehehe
wolfy
allstarGL
09-19-2005, 08:16 PM
Are we going to get to find out the results tonight?
Warcow
09-19-2005, 08:17 PM
no one like cow..... so u r not even mentioned in the voting mails.... :P
i donno if u can handle that..... :P
or if i say.... wolf got more votes than cow... can u handle that????
jk.... hehehehe
wolfy
Of course :)
I'm a dried out old hack who has never won anything. You're Wolfy! If you didn't get more votes than anyone but Gladiator, I'm going to be going mad cow on someone's ass :mad:
Wolfman
09-19-2005, 08:26 PM
Of course I'm a dried out old hack who has never won anything.
cow u r so negative.... i think u come to the wrong application thread then... :P
wolfy
Dragoen Link
09-19-2005, 08:29 PM
Dove is sending his list now,so we should be able to see the results soon :)
Twelve
09-19-2005, 08:33 PM
Fine. For the sake of egos, I will just give the list:
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
This is also listed according to the number of votes, and I will say no more.
Congrats all!
The people selected need to verify that they can play in this, because if not, thre are certainly others willing to take your place. :)
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allstarGL
09-19-2005, 08:33 PM
Of course :)
I'm a dried out old hack who has never won anything. You're Wolfy! If you didn't get more votes than anyone but Gladiator, I'm going to be going mad cow on someone's ass :mad:
You made the team you dried up cow ;)
-edit twelve I can play :)
and who are the 2 subs out of that list?
Dragoen Link
09-19-2005, 08:35 PM
Fine. For the sake of egos, I will just give the list:
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
12
:eek:
Geeky_Bastard
09-19-2005, 08:40 PM
looks like a great list, congrats to all, i voted for all except 2, i know one is good, not sure about the other :)
wolf-boy
09-19-2005, 08:41 PM
Grats you guys!!
Realist
09-19-2005, 08:41 PM
I've got to say, while I'm very happy to have made it in (and before the sub point), and everyone who got in is a truly good player, this seems like a somewhat strange list to me. We've left out what are probably our two greatest players ever (gladiator and tcbb). However, I'm a late entry to this whole thing and don't even know whether those two players are still here, so I won't pretend to know what's going on anymore and instead just gracefully accept my place on the team.
You're going down, non-existance. :cool2:
monkus
09-19-2005, 08:42 PM
I just want to thank the academy, my friends, family, and warcow for banging me daily.
It's gunna be fun! Let's kill us some wayfaerers. And them other legends folks too.
allstarGL
09-19-2005, 08:43 PM
I've got my sights set on kicking crx's ass :D
Twelve
09-19-2005, 08:44 PM
Wolf= Captain
Top 7 are the main.
Bottom 2 are the subs.
I can't help how folks voted, serious. But the team is indeed well rounded and capable of handling anything, I'm positive.
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Geeky_Bastard
09-19-2005, 08:46 PM
realist, i think glad is a legender (not positive but he is 1900 there)
allstarGL
09-19-2005, 08:48 PM
realist, i think glad is a legender (not positive but he is 1900 there)
I think the fact that he didn;t show any interest in being on the team ie: being in the tourny we had or saying in one of the rev team threads that he wants to be in would be the reason he and other great players weren't picked.
Warcow
09-19-2005, 08:53 PM
Realist, Tecibbar has no gold that I know of, and isn't all that active. That would be why he wasn't selected.
Congrats you guys, all of my teammates are guys I'd wager on against anyone but eachother, I can't really think of anyone who was chosen who I would replace with someone else.
Now, for the sake of me not getting my ass handed to me, I bet start learning to turtle with only one scout again . . .
allstarGL
09-19-2005, 08:54 PM
If you want to go to rev now I need some practice too we can play.
Twelve
09-19-2005, 08:57 PM
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
VS
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Helldead Reaper
Nemesis25
Should be interesting.
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Realist
09-19-2005, 08:57 PM
Realist, Tecibbar has no gold that I know of, and isn't all that active. That would be why he wasn't selected.
I'd be willing to buy a gold for him if he was selected. :dry:
Oh well, what's done is done and I very much think our team is good enough to take down theirss. It'll be fun. :)
I verify my participation in this tourn right now.
Warcow
09-19-2005, 08:58 PM
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
VS
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Helldead Reaper
Nemesis25
Should be interesting.
12
Dibs on whomping Moose and Wayfaerer!
Especially Wayfnub, he's got nothing on the Rev turtle team :cool2:
Realist
09-19-2005, 08:58 PM
Where are the rules for this tourn?
zzzaacckk
09-19-2005, 09:02 PM
looks like a great team!! best of luck.
DeathWish
09-19-2005, 09:03 PM
gl fellas
Twelve
09-19-2005, 09:05 PM
Where are the rules for this tourn?
Well, that's the next step, Realist.
My goal here was merely to make the team, to be honest. I hope that Wolfman and/or Dove can deal with talking to whoever leads the other team to figure out the exact rules.
I have company from Switzerland coming to my house this week, so I'll be MIA until the end of this week. If the exact rules for the tourney aren't sorted out by then...I'll get them. :)
Wolf, it seems that Prophet is the point man for Legends.
Alright, Twelve out.
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The Prophet
09-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
VS
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Helldead Reaper
Nemesis25
Should be interesting.
12
Again, Aza is replacing Helldead Reaper
Warcow
09-19-2005, 09:08 PM
Why not use the same rules that were established for the last one?
They were perfectly laid out, I don't see why they shouldn't be used.
Besides, if indeed this tournament contains no turtle aspect, and no grey aspect, I would have really reconsidered my votes. Also, I'm sure the team would look slightly different.
Realist
09-19-2005, 09:15 PM
Here are the original rules. (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11526)
The Prophet
09-19-2005, 09:27 PM
The new units makes for a problem with the formation rules.
We also need to figure out a compromise with the two scouts.
Wolfman
09-19-2005, 09:28 PM
The following members have been selected to represent the REVELATION server in the invitational tournament against the LEGENDS server:
Allstar (Netjak)
Wolfman (Outkast)
Warcow (The Elite)
Frylock (Netjak)
Bottle (SI)
Twelve (Netjak)
Realist (Pyro Pirates)
The two alternates to round off the team are:
Monkus (BG)
Swiftness (Netjak)
A huge congratulations to these people but this is also a huge responsibility. An even bigger thanks for all those who tried out for the team and the countless others who helped with the team selection process.
can an admin put this up for the annoucement?????
wolfy
Dragoen Link
09-19-2005, 09:29 PM
Good Job Wolfy.
FryLock
09-19-2005, 09:32 PM
I'll confirm my participation. As long as I have sufficient lead time and good communication with my opponent(s), I'll be able to get my stuff done. And if for some reason, the real world invades, I have mucho confidence in the 2 subs.
I assume I'm doing free and grey...because putting me on the turtle squad is just asking for bad things...("you mean you're NOT supposed to armor the cleric? DAMMIT! Not again!")
Realist
09-19-2005, 09:36 PM
I'm in the process of writing new proposed rules which I hope all parties will agree to.
allstarGL
09-19-2005, 09:38 PM
The new units makes for a problem with the formation rules.
We also need to figure out a compromise with the two scouts.
Well I;ve been training under the expectation of turtles having 1 scout free having 2 and grey having no drops.
Twelve
09-19-2005, 09:39 PM
I'm in the process of writing new proposed rules which I hope all parties will agree to.
Cool.
I'll stop in here tomorrow morning, but after that I'll be gone this week.
12
FryLock
09-19-2005, 09:43 PM
I'm a bit confused (though maybe r's proposed rules will sort this out). Do we all play each style? Or just 2/3, with the captain doing all 3?
Also, the sooner we know about the number of scouts, the better.
But anyway, wiser heads than mine are in control of this, so I'll just be patient.
-EDIT- just realized something. I no longer have my own account on rev. When I do go on there, it's on a shared account, but that won't cut it for this. My name has also been taken on all servers. Moreover, tuition's increased and I really don't have the money for this right now. I never thought I'd ask, but if someone is willing to help, or just has an idea, please PLEASE pm me.
I will be training on the "Floater" account in rev, but teammates, it's not just me that uses that account, so make sure you ask! Sorry for the hassles.
Wolfman
09-19-2005, 09:53 PM
-EDIT- just realized something. I no longer have my own account on rev. When I do go on there, it's on a shared account, but that won't cut it for this. My name has also been taken on all servers. Moreover, tuition's increased and I really don't have the money for this right now. I never thought I'd ask, but if someone is willing to help, or just has an idea, please PLEASE pm me.
I will be training on the "Floater" account in rev, but teammates, it's not just me that uses that account, so make sure you ask! Sorry for the hassles.
lol.... fry.... do u need a donation page like mine???
jeff.. your expertise is required here!
wolfy
FryLock
09-19-2005, 10:03 PM
Actually, I just found out that "my" name was available on army. So one way or another, that name will get golded for the tourney.
Realist
09-19-2005, 10:26 PM
Here are the rules I'm proposing. I did not come up with these, I'm almost entirely plagiarizing from what Snarr wrote during the attempted last tourn. All I did was modernize the rules in regards to the new units and turtle rules, change the organization slightly to remove a bit of clutter, and decrease the number of scouts allowed in turtle forms by one. I suspect that turtle rules will be the main controversy with these.
The Teams
1. There will be two teams, legends and Revelation. Each will have seven players and two substitutes.
2. One of the seven will be the team captain, who is not necessarily the best at a specific skill, but is best all around.
3. There will be two substitute players who will play in case of no shows.
4. Once the teams are declared and the games have started you cannot change the team composition.
The Competitions
Grey vs. Grey Rules:
Only default grey units are allowed:
• 1 Lightening ward
• 1 Barrier Ward
• 1 Dark Magic Witch
• 1 Cleric
• 1 Assassin
• 1 Enchantress
• 2 Pyromancers
• 1 Scout
• 3 Knights
Turtle vs. Turtle Rules:
1. No golem ambusher, are allowed on board.
2. Only one scout is allowed.
3. A stone golem must be included in the formation.
4. All ten units are to be placed on a maximum of six adjacent columns, one of which must be on one of the sides of the board.
5. No Dragon Speaker Mage or wisps are allowed past the back three rows.
6. No ranged units (including muds) allowed in the front row.
Freestyle
Any combination of gold units without drops is allowed, including up to:
1 Lightening ward
1 Barrier Ward
1 Dark Magic Witch
1 Dragon Speaker Mage
1 Beast Rider
1 Dragon (counts as 2 units)
1 Mud Golem
1 Frost Golem
1 Stone Golem
1 Furgon
1 Cleric
1 Assassin
1 Enchantress
2 Pyromancers
2 Scouts
3 Knights
1 Wisp
1 Golem Ambusher
Note that two scouts are allowed in freestyle and only one in turtle.
Process of Events
1. Each team member besides the captain will play in exactly two events out of freestyle, grey and turtle. The captain will play in all three events, meaning that there must be five members from each team in each event.
2. The team captain will declare all the players and which events they are playing in before the tournament begins.
3. Every player in an event will play three members from the opposing team. Thus, there will be a total of 15 games per event.
4. Opponents will be selected randomly, either by an agreed upon judge or by random numbers.
5. The team with the most victories in a specific event will receive a point. Draws do not count as victories for either team.
6. In case of a tie in victory number between the two teams, the team captains will play each other once more in that event to determine where the point goes.
7. A failure to show up for a match will result in losing that match. Unless one of the substitutes immediately shows up. If the player in question has yet to play a game, the substitute will play his second game as well. It is the responsibility of the individuals to make sure they meet this can be done anyway they see fit. The recommended ay is via private messages in the TAO forums.
8. A screenshot will be needed as proof of victory in all matches in case your victory is challenged. The reports are to be made to <an email set up by the tourn judges> by the winner of the match in the following format:
9. Any dishonesty by participants will lead to their disqualification and two victories awarded for the other team. If the captain is guilty of such actions his team will lose automatically.
Event
Player 1 vs. Player 2
Winner
Example:
Turtle vs. Turtle
Snarr vs. theburning
Snarr won
We will then use this information to update the standings found in the forums.
Winning
The team who wins 2 or 3 events wins the overall competition.
FryLock
09-19-2005, 10:50 PM
Ok, sorry for the constant posting.
An arrangement has been reached whereby the Floater account will be secure. Once the pass has been changed, I will move it into the Rev Team clan for the duration of the tourney.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 04:00 AM
I agree on the rules you are using, and the scout thing is fair.
There's 2 things i disagree on:
1 - This is going to be an important tourney, i mean, it was quite hard to come with this since it's involving all servers, and i still can't believe it is working. Ending it with a simple 15 games match it's not that cool. I think to make it better, and to kill luck, it would be much better if every opponent plays a 2 out of 3 in every format he must play.
For example, player1 plays player2 in turtle. Home and away rule are applied. Player 1 wins both games so player 1 wins turtle format over player 2. Player 1's team get 1 point.
2 - I agree on the turtle rules with an exception. Many legenders use dragon in front line as a support range unit instead of stoning it. Dragon can't kill cleric anyway and he doesn't kill the meaning of a turtle. So you should just specify no scout, no ga, no br, no mud golem in front line. Also i think Bottle turtle rules would make the turtle competition better preventing any stupid rushing. And i am referring to his opposite sides rule. I mean, real turtle is opposites.
Snarr
09-20-2005, 04:04 AM
Best of luck guys, I'm sure your skill alone will be enough but nevertheless luck can never hurt.
Tag Captain
09-20-2005, 06:29 AM
A couple of things:
Firstly, if I see anyone from the team on Rev, I'll invite you to Rev Tag Team. It's not the perfect name (it shouldn't have "Tag" in for this really), but it'll do.
Secondly, I'd agree with Omega's turtle idea. Just specifying opp side would cut through all the ridiculous "GA not allowed, DSM not allowed" etc. However, I'm not comfortable with the one-scout thing. Having never used it before, I should imagine it's a WHOLE different style of game to what I'm used to. If I have to enter 2 categories, I'm not sure it'll be any use putting me in the turtle bracket. Two scouts, of course, would mean those Legenders wouldn't stand a chance. :cool:
It's being hosted on Rev, it should be our house rules. If it was on Legends, I'd have no problem with the 1-scout rule, but then it's not being hosted on Legends, is it? :wink2: (that other wink looks so ridiculous)
Twelve
09-20-2005, 07:20 AM
To solve the scout problem, I say that we have the people involved with the tournament, the 18 players, vote on it. I really don't believe it will be all Rev voting for 2 scouts and all Legends voting for 1 scout.
Or why can't we have it so that half of the games played will be 1 scout, and half of the games played will be 2 scouts? How can it get more fair than that? The first half of the tourney will be one way, and the second half of the tourney will be in another. Since scouts seem to be so important, we can divide the tourney into ONE SCOUT and TWO SCOUTS stages.
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Warcow
09-20-2005, 09:16 AM
I agree on the rules you are using, and the scout thing is fair.
There's 2 things i disagree on:
1 - This is going to be an important tourney, i mean, it was quite hard to come with this since it's involving all servers, and i still can't believe it is working. Ending it with a simple 15 games match it's not that cool. I think to make it better, and to kill luck, it would be much better if every opponent plays a 2 out of 3 in every format he must play.
There would be 45 games in total to decide this, if we make it anymore than that, this thing wont get finished, or it will fall apart like last time.
2 - I agree on the turtle rules with an exception. Many legenders use dragon in front line as a support range unit instead of stoning it. Dragon can't kill cleric anyway and he doesn't kill the meaning of a turtle. So you should just specify no scout, no ga, no br, no mud golem in front line. Also i think Bottle turtle rules would make the turtle competition better preventing any stupid rushing. And i am referring to his opposite sides rule. I mean, real turtle is opposites.
The problem with having an unstoned dragon up front is that a good deal of the time, it becomes an all out rush, despite the fact that they wont be going for the cleric. That is based off of 2 scout games though. As for the only opposite corners, I disagree completely, some of the best turtle games are same side, and can take as much planning or more.
FryLock
09-20-2005, 10:08 AM
If it's a possibility of a 3-game series for each player in each individual event, I may not have the time to fit that in. I think that's overly clunky and sorta pointless. With 5 players in each event, the luck will even out.
1 scout, 2 scouts, no scouts :eek: it doesn't matter to me. Let's just agree on something.
And Botts, realist made a clan for us last night. Wolfman is the leader.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 10:29 AM
Well since the beginning we were talking about having turtle games with 1 scout and rushes with 2. This is not a legends nor a fps thing, it's a legends and fps thing so same way as u will have trouble in a 1 scout game we will have trouble in a 2 scouts one. That's why to get it fair we need an event with 1 and an event with 2.
Dunno about the dragon thing with 2 scouts warcow, but with 1 it doesn't ruin a turtle game at all, plus one interesting part of this tourney is fight different forms since legends and fps forms are different. So it's obvious a ga or wisp or scout or mud in first line make a turtle not a turtle anymore, but the dragon is just a very common legends turt strats and it's defensive more than offensive (with one scout only available dragon is the other ranged units who can intercept attackers coming for cleric).
For the opposite sides thing... well let's see what everyone think too.... to be frank i think a turtle game is much more enjoyable on opposite sides, plus on same sides first turn matters really a lot and 50% times it comes out being a hybrid rush game.
***Duo***
09-20-2005, 10:56 AM
Always miss good stuff when internet is down...
Anyway, looks like it'll be a good match up. Given how much we practice, we stand a good chance at winning this.
Good luck Rev Team.
-Duo
The Prophet
09-20-2005, 10:56 AM
I think Realist's rules are fine. Legends gets their one scout in turtle games and FPS(TAO) gets their two scouts in the freestyle. I also agree with the no ranged units on the front row in the turtle matches. I do disagree with arranging sides. That just takes away an aspect of the real game, the element of surprise.
I think 12, Wolfman, Dove, Omega and I should decide on it. I say we go with the "Realist" rules.
***Duo***
09-20-2005, 11:00 AM
Agreed, Realists rules sound fair enough.
-Duo
Tag Captain
09-20-2005, 12:49 PM
I'd prefer 2 scouts in turtle and one in freestyle personally. Going from two scouts to one is a big leap for any turtler. Going from two scouts to one for a freestyler is less of a problem, because they invariably include DSMs, GAs or something else as a ranged unit. No sensible turtler would put a GA in a turtle unless they were hoping for same side to kill a cleric early on. :dry:
Of course, if we're sticking to 1-scout, I don't know what my second option would be. I'm equally bad at one-scout turtles and freestyle :mad:
Warcow
09-20-2005, 12:52 PM
I'd prefer 2 scouts in turtle and one in freestyle personally. Going from two scouts to one is a big leap for any turtler. Going from two scouts to one for a freestyler is less of a problem, because they invariably include DSMs, GAs or something else as a ranged unit. No sensible turtler would put a GA in a turtle unless they were hoping for same side to kill a cleric early on. :dry:
Of course, if we're sticking to 1-scout, I don't know what my second option would be. I'm equally bad at one-scout turtles and freestyle :mad:
Yeah, that is going to be a huge hit to the FPS turtlers . . . maybe a half and half type deal would be most fair, so as to limit the disadvantages?
The biggest difference is that a good deal of the legends players have FPS accounts, and play actively on FPS. Not as many of the FPS'ers play on legends, or are used to legends strategies.
Tag Captain
09-20-2005, 01:02 PM
Exactly. Of all the Legends team, I think at least 4 of their first-choice team (not including subs) have played here pretty consistently. Out of our team, most of us (and especially the potential turtlers) have never played on Legends.
Of course, if Legends can't beat us fair and square, then they could always resort to trying to play a game we're not used to. :p
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 01:11 PM
Sounds like u guys are afraid of losing :P
It's just the same, using a 1 scout turtle is the same as us using a 2 scouts one. In both case is a disadvantage for who plays the format he is not used to. But since the beginning of this challenge the rules about 1 scout turt and 2 scout rush were posted so we picked rushers who can use 2 scouts too, and turtlers who can only use 1. To be frank i don't really care since i play in both formats, but for my team mates it matters a lot. Maybe you would want to rethink your teams and pick turtlers able to use 1 scout.
I'm sorry for the trouble anyway, but these are the obstacle of having a tourney from 2 different servers. Playing on 2 i can say my strats are quite different depending where i play. To be frank i think there is only 1 way to avoid this problem:
Every player should play a home and away game for every match. Points would be counted on matches and not on the final result of the format. This way max we can have is 30 games, fair games too since it's a 1 scout and a 2 scout game for the same format and for every player. I don't think it's so hard to have 30 games, we don't need to finish this thing in a few days.... mainly we are active players and respectable people too so we can just arrange matches in a friendly way.
Twelve
09-20-2005, 01:38 PM
The scout problem is easily solved by simply having the tourney in two stages. This is NOT difficult and it is fair. Both sides will have their way, and evenly. The last thing I want to hear at the end of this thing are excuses.
12
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 01:59 PM
Yeah, we make first with one, than with two. Easy :D
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 03:07 PM
well..... as Rev Team Captain, i propose the following:
1. No need of home n away game..... we can do this in 15 games, 5 per category.
2. I accept the challenge on behalf of our team, 1 scout rule for turtle category, 2 scouts for freestyle category, note that grey category only use 1 scout. (To hv say this, i wanted my teammates to know that our tur squad can pull this thru... though at disadvantage, cow, u got a job to do. Secondly, if our grey squad n freestyle squad win their category.... we r done with the legenders).
No more debating.... lets get to training fellow mates.
wolfy
Twelve
09-20-2005, 03:12 PM
well..... as Rev Team Captain, i propose the following:
1. No need of home n away game..... we can do this in 15 games, 5 per category.
2. I accept the challenge on behalf of our team, 1 scout rule for turtle category, 2 scouts for freestyle category, note that grey category only use 1 scout. (To hv say this, i wanted my teammates to know that our tur squad can pull this thru... though at disadvantage, cow, u got a job to do. Secondly, if our grey squad n freestyle squad win their category.... we r done with the legenders).
No more debating.... lets get to training fellow mates.
wolfy
The Captain has spoken. So it is written...so it shall be done.
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Bottle
09-20-2005, 03:21 PM
well..... as Rev Team Captain, i propose the following:
1. No need of home n away game..... we can do this in 15 games, 5 per category.
2. I accept the challenge on behalf of our team, 1 scout rule for turtle category, 2 scouts for freestyle category, note that grey category only use 1 scout. (To hv say this, i wanted my teammates to know that our tur squad can pull this thru... though at disadvantage, cow, u got a job to do. Secondly, if our grey squad n freestyle squad win their category.... we r done with the legenders).
No more debating.... lets get to training fellow mates.
wolfy
This is a BAD idea. You're throwing completely inexperienced players (at one-scout) up against the best there are at it. I don't see any way I can win my turtle game, even if I spend the next 2 weeks practising it. I tried a 1-scout turtle game against a clanmate, and lost horribly. And that was just against a clanmate, not legend's best.
But you're the captain. :(
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 03:29 PM
This is a BAD idea. You're throwing completely inexperienced players (at one-scout) up against the best there are at it. I don't see any way I can win my turtle game, even if I spend the next 2 weeks practising it. I tried a 1-scout turtle game against a clanmate, and lost horribly. And that was just against a clanmate, not legend's best.
But you're the captain. :(
Bot,
1. yes, me may lose in tur category... due to disadvantage... but again..... u never know.
2. hv faith, rev team will prevail in this.... both legends team n us knows that we don need to win all categories to win this.
3. Besides, cheer-up..... FPS might profit from playing a new type of turtle games.... n if we win in that category...... what a surprise.... we can cheer our tur squad even more.... don u like surprise???
wolfy
BaxVarlet
09-20-2005, 03:32 PM
Good luck guys, but I'm sure you won't need it.
Warcow
09-20-2005, 03:35 PM
I still suggest we still have multiple games in each category. It would be a shame to base the skills of the cream of the crop off of one or two games each.
Lets stick with the 3 games, or at the very least two. Minimize luck, increase actual skill value.
I agree with Bottle here, though I am confident in my skills, there is no better teacher than experience, and though I dabbled in turtles on legends, I don't have extensive one scout experience. None of our turtle squad does.
The best way would be to somehow share the drawbacks, if there is 15 games, let 7 be one way, and 7 the other, followed by the captains choosing which option they will take.
When you look, their best rusher (Crx) has a ton of two scout freestyle experience, so that isn't of any impact to him. Likewise, Moose and Wayfaerer played here a ton, I don't know about the other legenders.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 03:45 PM
Guys u are taking this too much seriously, it's just a game. Let's make rules without fighting each other.
1: What says wolf is true, we have to double scout freestyle just like u single scout turtle, so even if we win turtle and u win freestyle the last will be decided on grey that is equal for both. Notice that we feel not confident at all with 2 scouts in rushes just like u feel not confident in turtle. But afterall when you challenged legends realist's rules were 1 scout turt and 2 scouts free....
2: If you wanna rethink the rules you made than just make it longer, as warcow says... everyone will play everyone first with 1 scout than with 2 scouts. It will be longer, it may get boring, but we all know each other somehow so it's just about catching on rev and have a few games when we arrange our match.
3: As you see for us it's ok both ways but i see the problem is internal to the team, and i think won't be solved on forums. Just meet all on rev and make up your mind, than choose an option... i know these things may go on for days without deciding, we didn't have any administration on legends for a long time.
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 03:48 PM
omega, how about this.... (i am listening to my rev teammates suggestion n yours)
1. Lets play home n away games in ALL categories (10 games in total, 2 games per ppl)
2. Tur Category 1 scout, Freestyle Category 2 scouts, Grey Category 1 scout
wolfy
The Prophet
09-20-2005, 03:54 PM
Wolf, do you have aim or msn?
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 03:56 PM
Wolf, do you have aim or msn?
srry prophet... i don use aim or msn for game...... only for work... u can pm me if u need anything.
wolfy
The Prophet
09-20-2005, 04:11 PM
It would be a lot easier to communicate, with either of those
Bottle
09-20-2005, 04:33 PM
If we're 1-scout turtling, I'm withdrawing from the turtle section. You might as well pick some random guy from rev on the day and tell him to use one scout. It's possible that I am (or at least was) the best turtler on FPS, but that's because my playing style REQUIRES two scouts. I'm lost without the second one against anyone who even remotely knows how to play, because I sacrifice my scout too easily, since I'm used to having a second one for backup. And I can't change the way I play, or I lose the skill that I'm best at.
It looks like I'm throwing a tantrum because I'm not getting my way, but I can assure you I'm not. I just don't want to hand Legends a 1-point lead before we even start. So find someone else to do the turtle section, wolfy.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 04:40 PM
For me your home and away rule with turtle 1 scout and freestyle 2 is perfect wolf. And i'd like it more because you challenging rules were this and we picked the team consequentially.
However i see some people like bottle is quite against it. If you can't work this out i again suggest of playing every player in 2 games in every format, first with 1 scout than with 2 scouts.
But it's really up to you now.
Bottle
09-20-2005, 04:48 PM
I don't even see the point of having one game with 1 scout and one with two scouts in the turtle section. I'm confident that I would win the 2-scout game and lose the one-scout game, so how does that help decide the winner?
The way I see it, the Legend team CAN play with two scouts in turtle matches, and (part of) the Rev team CAN'T play with one. Our turtle team is going to be a very lame duck with one scout. I forsee a 5-0 whitewash, or maybe 4-1 if we get lucky.
monkus
09-20-2005, 04:52 PM
For me your home and away rule with turtle 1 scout and freestyle 2 is perfect wolf. And i'd like it more because you challenging rules were this and we picked the team consequentially.
However i see some people like bottle is quite against it. If you can't work this out i again suggest of playing every player in 2 games in every format, first with 1 scout than with 2 scouts.
But it's really up to you now.
Yeah, I really like this idea. Home and away games would be perfect. Hate to say wolf, but my style also really overuses the two scouts, and I'd be in a load of trouble playing with one. I played against wayf with the one scout rule, and he pwned me. As that's clearly not what ought to happen in a game ( :tongue2: wayf, u kno ur my bro), this whole 1 scout thing's a tad dangerous. But, because I don't like to put them at a disadvantage either, I say go for the home/away thing. Also, it does help diminish luck in all events, and it also adds a lot of excitement to the tourney. Go for it man!
Also, may I suggest, in the event of a tie (because multiplying by 2 makes it even, which brings up this possibility), then have the captains duke it out in a best out of 3, all around deathmatch. Or, play rock-paper-scissors.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 04:58 PM
I got it guys. Monkus is right. And bottle is right about what may happen in ties. But he is not right about the scouts, since if u say u can't turtle with one, than we can't turtle with 2. As u say strategy is completely different.
So, let's do that for every player is played a home and away game, one with 1 scout the other with 2 scouts.
For instance, i must play bottle in turtle format. I will play my home game with 1 scout and my away game with 2 scouts.
The tie problem is avoided by having a point for every match you win. It won't matter if i win 1 and lose 1, my team gets a point, his team gets 1.
The team that will have the most points after all events are completed will win ( and i really doubt there may be a tie at that point with this system, and if there was we can just have the captains have 2 more games in a format, than another format if the first is tied and finally the last format if they tie in all games)
Deal?
Realist
09-20-2005, 05:29 PM
I've just realized a loophole of sorts in the rules. Because subs can play as many games as there are times people don't show up to matches, it makes sense to make the best player a sub and have no one else show up. In order to make sure that things like this don't happen, I think we should have a maximum of 2 or 3 games per event (depending on whether each player will play 2 or 3 games) which can be played by subs.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 05:33 PM
Ah, didn't think of that. Yes you are right. And to prevent matches to not happen at all let's not have a fixed time to have the match (also to help different timezones) but let's give like 1 day or 2 days to play that player.
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 05:38 PM
I got it guys. Monkus is right. And bottle is right about what may happen in ties. But he is not right about the scouts, since if u say u can't turtle with one, than we can't turtle with 2. As u say strategy is completely different.
So, let's do that for every player is played a home and away game, one with 1 scout the other with 2 scouts.
For instance, i must play bottle in turtle format. I will play my home game with 1 scout and my away game with 2 scouts.
The tie problem is avoided by having a point for every match you win. It won't matter if i win 1 and lose 1, my team gets a point, his team gets 1.
The team that will have the most points after all events are completed will win ( and i really doubt there may be a tie at that point with this system, and if there was we can just have the captains have 2 more games in a format, than another format if the first is tied and finally the last format if they tie in all games)
Deal?
i like it... omega.. thx for being so flexible.
so rev team tur squad.. what do u say?
wolfy
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 05:39 PM
omega, i like it about your idea on u home (1 scout), my home (2 scouts).... thx for being so flexible.
so rev team tur squad.. what do u say?
wolfy
FryLock
09-20-2005, 05:41 PM
I say double-post! I also say we need to figure out who our turtle squad is. (See the other thread for details).
Hatchet Warrior
09-20-2005, 05:44 PM
I think for turts you should get a "new" sub for the one scout and two scout part since not all of them want to use 1 scout.
OmegaShin
09-20-2005, 06:11 PM
Yes, that's when the subs actually come in handy. This way also they get more involved in the game since they won't really stay there looking what happens but will try filling the holes in the skills of the other 7 players.
For what concerns choosing turt and rushes... Well since the beginning i was told this tourney was gonna happen middle / end of october, than i guess twelve speeded things up. Let's have tourney still in that period and let's just start training so we will have all the time to choose formats and the subs involvement.
Oh and you're welcome wolf, just trying to help, let's make this tourney a friendly competition. The supposed fps - legends hate shouldn't affect top players of any server. Afterall if we are top players it's cause we enjoy the game and we respect skill.
Wolfman
09-20-2005, 06:16 PM
word omega.
we should make this tourney as friendly as possible.... wolf look forward that this is only a start n we can do this every year.
wolfy
Wayfaerer
09-20-2005, 07:05 PM
Looks like Bottle's crying paid off, now we can finally get this show on the road!
Geeky_Bastard
09-20-2005, 07:52 PM
Looks like Bottle's crying paid off, now we can finally get this show on the road!
well bottle has a very good point... we fps players are used to playing with 2 scouts and when we paly in legends it takes away from our skill. however, when a legend palyer comes to fps and uses 2 scouts, he is gaining another weapon. it is mucher harder to lose a weapon than to gain a new one.
jsut expressing a thought, i think the solution you guys came up with works nicely :)
Wayfaerer
09-20-2005, 07:56 PM
Well not really, it's blows to start fresh with 2 scouts. I still hate it, even after I've gotten used to it.
allstarGL
09-20-2005, 07:56 PM
omega, i like it about your idea on u home (1 scout), my home (2 scouts).... thx for being so flexible.
so rev team tur squad.. what do u say?
wolfy
Does this mean I need to use scouts in my turtle. DAMN :p :D im kidding in case your retarded
EatMine
09-20-2005, 09:45 PM
I've just realized a loophole of sorts in the rules. Because subs can play as many games as there are times people don't show up to matches, it makes sense to make the best player a sub and have no one else show up. In order to make sure that things like this don't happen, I think we should have a maximum of 2 or 3 games per event (depending on whether each player will play 2 or 3 games) which can be played by subs.i think you realize too, that this is the internet, and even when playing someone called "ubernoob", there is still a good chance that you really are playing against a blonde bomb with big eyes or the complete legends team discussing every move or a computer program ...
Please don't get me wrong: i am not implying that anyone uses such methods, just wanted to point out, that you never know for sure who you are playing!
one question: since there will be heavy "intra-clan" talk during the games anyway, is it somehow possible to organize a live-coverage of the event? with live-analysis of moves and stuff? that would be sooo cool ... I mean, hey, this is the world-championships ...
ok, ok, "live-coverage" is probably too hard to realize, but do you guys see any possibility to make the games public after the event? I mean, this would be the perfect chance to let people learn from the best and bring the game to a new level ...
Bottle
09-21-2005, 06:35 AM
I doubt the players will be concentrating on anything but the battle. If one is confident of victory, of course, they may take a series of screenshots to show how the battle progressed...
As for the home/away rule, I think that's going to be the best we can do. However, if we're doing that, we also need to have home/away games in the freestyle and grey section (so turtle skills are not valued higher than the others). This would be fine though, as freestyle often depends on who gets first turn, so it would even it out further.
Remember who had the original idea for home and away games? That's right, yours truly :D
OmegaShin
09-21-2005, 06:37 AM
Yes bottle, infact i was suggesting of having home and away in all formats. Not only this fixes the problem of scouts but it diminishes the luck factor :)
Geeky_Bastard
09-21-2005, 10:00 PM
does home and away refer to scouts or first turn?
OmegaShin
09-22-2005, 04:13 AM
player1 vs player2, turtle format:
Home game of player1 he starts first and has 1 scout. Away game of player1 he starts second and has 2 scouts
Twelve
09-24-2005, 07:26 AM
Now that we're settled on the rules...let's set a date to begin this mess.
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OmegaShin
09-24-2005, 01:08 PM
Mm someone told me it was around 20 october. I'd like to keep that date.
The Prophet
09-24-2005, 02:36 PM
That would give the teams around a month to train.
Geeky_Bastard
09-24-2005, 03:36 PM
That would give the teams around a month to train.
so do you think that is good or bad?
The Prophet
09-24-2005, 06:52 PM
That sentence clearly has a positive connotation.
Twelve
09-24-2005, 06:54 PM
As long as we have a date, I'm fine. Oct. 20th it is!
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Frozen Toast
10-08-2005, 02:18 PM
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
VS
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Aza
Nemesis25
Should be interesting.
12
O i didn't get in :mad:
Well i hope to inprove with my tao skills
when i comeback i hope to be in the rev team
i hope to beat all the legenders
But good luck to Rev Team...
Cliche
10-08-2005, 02:26 PM
Frozen, your not nearly as good as anybody in the Rev Team, so umm...Get over it. :bigsmile: :p
Frozen Toast
10-08-2005, 02:41 PM
Lol tell me about it i am getting better
I have been here for like 4 years i just don't play my best...
allstarGL
10-08-2005, 02:42 PM
Lol tell me about it i am getting better
I have been here for like 4 years i just don't play my best...
LIAR!
WaCk-HeAd
10-08-2005, 02:49 PM
HEY!
I'm in his siggy! Hahaha I didn't know I was good enough with rushing already so that people brag about beating me.
Hell, everybody beats me with rushing.
The funny thing is that this guy needed first turn AND a lot of luck.
allstarGL
10-08-2005, 02:51 PM
Well he's been playing for 4 years so he should be able to win ;)
Frozen Toast
10-08-2005, 02:56 PM
Lair me lol
Well i was in Dark Fire Angels
Sabrial's clan...
that was my first clan....
So 007 been along time but he's not on the rev team...
some of us just don't have tao in our blood....
The Exile
10-08-2005, 06:18 PM
To save yourself from digging an even deeper hole than the one you're already in, Frozen Toast, the game was created around 2 years ago.
Frozen Toast
10-09-2005, 04:21 AM
To tell you that legends
was made way before.
CardShark
10-09-2005, 04:22 AM
everyone knows that Frozen!
and gd luck people..they got only about 2 gd players but here all of you are gd!!!!!!
Frozen Toast
10-09-2005, 05:22 AM
Originally Posted by Twelve
Allstar
Wolfman
Warcow
Frylock
Bottle
Twelve
Realist
Monkus
Swift
VS
Crx
Lodovico
Omega
Moose
Bodexxx
Wayfaerer
g0lem
Aza
Nemesis25
Should be interesting.
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2 good players
look at it nearly all of them are in the 10 top
if you didn't know...
2 gd player w/e
but we are going to win
The Exile
10-09-2005, 06:40 AM
To tell you that legends
was made way before.
I know when it was made. I was there. And it wasn't 2 years before FPS TAO was made.
Hell, even Tactics Core (the basis of TAO) was made only 2 years and a few months ago.
Edit: I'm going to give up trying to help you out now, Frozen, as I've just seen your signature. You deserve nothing but contempt.
Frozen Toast
10-09-2005, 07:37 AM
Fine i am taking them off
It's pissing off to many people...
Twelve
10-10-2005, 01:39 PM
Ten days until we get this party started, right?
Do folks know this? Are we ready?
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Geeky_Bastard
10-10-2005, 04:00 PM
Ten days until we get this party started, right?
Do folks know this? Are we ready?
12
i'm sure hugh has some beer ready and nomar can prolly wrangle up some hoes. hmm i can make some calls and we can be ready :cool:
oh keep the beer and hoes away from the rev team, they don't need distracions
allstarGL
10-10-2005, 04:07 PM
oh keep the beer and hoes away from the rev team, they don't need distracions
:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:
NO beer! NO hoes! Thats it guys im quitting the team. :p
Bottle
10-11-2005, 09:42 AM
Bottle reporting in:
Ten days until we get this party started, right?
Do folks know this? Are we ready?
12
Ready and raring to go.
In about 200 no-drop grey games on Legends, I've not lost a single one. When the other player had no frost but other drops, I lost once (to a double clericer who got lucky). When facing frosts, my success rate was only about 80%, but it certainly toughened me up. :)
As for turtle... well, I've not found anyone happy to do 1-scout, and I couldn't afford to go double gold on Legends. So I'll be a bit rusty there. But I'm sure I'll be OK.
Ready to kick some Legends ass.
Twelve
10-12-2005, 12:02 PM
Word...me too. I play in Legends as much as I do here, and I use the same formation in both places. :) I'm going to adapt it a bit more in the next 8 days, because Frylock revealed to me a condition in which it's just too inadequate.
But Legends better be ready for...the formation called...
AMOS.
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Frozen Toast
10-12-2005, 01:08 PM
Word...me too. I play in Legends as much as I do here, and I use the same formation in both places. :) I'm going to adapt it a bit more in the next 8 days, because Frylock revealed to me a condition in which it's just too inadequate.
But Legends better be ready for...the formation called...
AMOS.
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AMOS.
What does that mean?
Good luck legenders
you will need it after the team we got... ;)
emerald slasher
10-12-2005, 03:16 PM
Go AMOS game :p
Twelve
10-13-2005, 09:33 AM
AMOS is secret!!
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allstarGL
10-13-2005, 05:53 PM
I get my wisdom teeth out on either the 20th or the 21st so I don't know how much I will be able to play. I'm think the first day I will be too drugged up to play but by the second day I will have nothing to do but play tao. I'm not exactly sure how this will effect me just thought I'd let you guys know In case you can't find me. But at the most I will be gone for 2-3 days I don't know how bad it will be.:wacko: :(
Xenon
10-15-2005, 06:49 AM
I would like to send in a team but I am not sure on who is already in this and who is not so I am afriad I may not be able to do it, I would like to be in it too but I am not yet gold.
The Exile
10-15-2005, 07:04 AM
You need to read the whole thread, Xenon. The team has been picked, indeed the tournament starts next Thursday.
Bottle
10-19-2005, 07:31 AM
I'd like to know what's going on with this. The welcome message says the tournament is postponed until october 24th, but there's no mention of that here. Update please.
allstarGL
10-19-2005, 07:35 AM
No doubt legends is getting scared off by our greatness and needs more time to prepare.:cool:
Twelve
10-19-2005, 09:56 AM
Well, I heard yesterday that it's being postponed until the 24th through Frylock (since I still don't have my account in the Rev Team yet).
I don't know the exact reasons for this, but what I do know is that we're going to be playing a rather different group of Legends players than we thought. I found out yesterday that AZA was in it now.
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allstarGL
10-19-2005, 10:21 AM
AZA has been on the team for a long while now... I think it was moose that brought it to our attention a while back. That was the only change from the original list of players we got from them. So if thats the only guy thats different to you then it's the same team.
Twelve
10-19-2005, 10:24 AM
Oh, ok...my bad.
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The Prophet
10-19-2005, 10:29 AM
Omega and Wolfman agreed on postponing it till the 24th. A few Legenders were going to be gone through the weekend. The 24th is set in stone.
Aza has been on the Legends roster for quite some time but actually he is no longer.
Here is the Legends roster which is also in stone:
Omegashin (captain)
CRX
Moose
Omegagalaxy
Bodexx
Wayfaerer
lodovico
g0lem
da1n
allstarGL
10-19-2005, 10:31 AM
wow thats very different if I remember correctly. Ah well we can handle it :)
The Prophet
10-19-2005, 10:35 AM
wow thats very different if I remember correctly. Ah well we can handle it :)
Only two changes from the original list.
Aza took Helldead Reaper's place and Galaxy took Aza's place
Wolfman
10-19-2005, 01:54 PM
Omega and Wolfman agreed on postponing it till the 24th. A few Legenders were going to be gone through the weekend. The 24th is set in stone.
Aza has been on the Legends rooster for quite some time but actually he is no longer.
Here is the Legends rooster which is also in stone:
Omegashin (captain)
CRX
Moose
Omegagalaxy
Bodexx
Wayfaerer
lodovico
g0lem
da1n
is this the last formal list... cuz i need to schedule our team members to fight it.
wolfy
The Prophet
10-19-2005, 01:56 PM
is this the last formal list... cuz i need to schedule our team members to fight it.
wolfy
This is the final list.
Warcow
10-19-2005, 01:58 PM
Guys, sorry to say, but my schedule is going to be shaky the day of the 24th. I will be available most of the rest of the days of the week, but Monday isn't a great day for me.
So my question is, will we have multiple days to arrange our games? If not, one of our subs may have to take my place for my first game . . .
allstarGL
10-19-2005, 02:02 PM
yeah how does this tourny work? do we get all our matchups and then just work to play them or do we get certain games to play 1 at a time?
The Prophet
10-19-2005, 02:09 PM
Omega and Wolfman are working on the brackets but there will be enough time to get the games.
Twelve
10-20-2005, 09:34 AM
I plan on having the brackets out TODAY.
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OmegaShin
10-20-2005, 11:10 AM
Don't worry, we will have plenty of time to get our games done.
There is one thing we must agree on before starting though, how to use subs. We must set a game limit subs can have. Realist or some other person already talked about this somewhere
Edit: Ok quite hard to search for things in these forums but found it.
These are the rules: http://tacticsarenaonline.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20145&page=9
We added that there is home and away games, home u play with ur scout style, away u play with opponent scout style. We said that dragons are allowed in front but u need to ask for opposites as in mith's. And we said subs can play only 2 games in every format.
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