The Moose Ultimatum

[S_K_O_F]

Bleh, I didn't think it was that great. Glad I provided the opportunity though.


Of course you didn't...You were at the receiving end of it!

Oh woops...forgot I was on your bandwagon. I will shut up!

[Realist]

Of course you didn't...You were at the receiving end of it!

But we all know I'm an overly objective thinker. :cool:

[Jeffery]

Meat, telling someone to go jump off a bridge, and knowing that in the end it doesn;t matter, makes it THE best kind of stress relief.

Here I can tell an authority figure like Realist to go kill himself. In the real world I deal with city council, police, sheriffs, mayors and other authority figures that if I told the same thing could very well result in people losing their job.

One day, when you grow up and get into the real world, you'll see what a great stress reliever can do.

[S_K_O_F]

1. There is nothing itellectual about arguing with someone who could, quite frankly, be retarded. Or be a lawyer. It gives you no grasp of reality, and therefor, you cant learn from it.

2. You're right on here. Self expression. It does show who you are. In a negative way, more often then not. So...whats the point. Someone disagree's with you. Great. Peachy. You're comments mean nothing.

3. Arguments are not "conversations." A conversation of ideas is a discussion. Not an argument.

4. Yes. But then you're just proving your lack of any worth. Eat when you're bored, and become the obese population. Its better then being a jackass for no reason.

5. I dont know what kind of screwed up stress you have. Its just inferiorizing. In your mind. But not actually inferiorizing anyone. So its like false relief of stress for you...i guess. wow, you really told off that guy...who honestly didnt give a flying f*ck. Congrats.

6. True. But discussions accomplish this in a better fashion.

There is reason to argue with an actual person who may have influence on your life.

But, quite honestly, i can safely say i dont think of any of you at all when im not at my computer. So...it didnt really do anything for ya, if you never even acknowledge people.


I have heard this argument before.

it's a "You guys are a bunch of loser's who need to get outside into the real world" argument. Just cleverly masked.

[meat.eater]

That may be your point of a forums, but who appointed you God to dictate what every person on the earth must do?

Nobody. You're entitled to you're thoughts.

But next time you seriously "argue" with someone online, stop for a second, stand up, and judgde how you feel at the moment. If you are getting agrey, thats pretty sad. If you feel empowered thats pretty sad too.

The outcome of online life (which is much different then real life) effects real life in no way, unless you actually meet someone.

Also, i'd like to point out, im in a cynical mood at the moment. If that wasnt obvious enough.

[Jeffery]

I have heard this argument before.

it's a "You guys are a bunch of loser's who need to get outside into the real world" argument. Just cleverly masked.
And, as usual, it is spoken by a kid who's never even seen the real world.

[meat.eater]

I have heard this argument before.

it's a "You guys are a bunch of loser's who need to get outside into the real world" argument. Just cleverly masked.

Im here just as much as you. Im not saying you dont have lives, im saying your lives are in no way a reflection on you online life.

AKA: Arguing is dumb. Because it in no way effects your real life. And if it does, THEN i will use teh argument "You guys are a bunch of loser's who need to get outside into the real world." :D

[S_K_O_F]

But we all know I'm an overly objective thinker. :cool:

I don't know that. I have never met a person who is "overly objective."

You are loyal to yourself and that takes away all objectivity.

[Jeffery]

Nobody. You're entitled to you're thoughts.

But next time you seriously "argue" with someone online, stop for a second, stand up, and judgde how you feel at the moment. If you are getting agrey, thats pretty sad. If you feel empowered thats pretty sad too.

The outcome of online life (which is much different then real life) effects real life in no way, unless you actually meet someone.

Also, i'd like to point out, im in a cynical mood at the moment. If that wasnt obvious enough.
Kid, you're still talking out of your ass about something you know nothing about.

Grow up, go into the real world, then come back and tell be the difference between real world and an online forum.

[meat.eater]

You underestimate ones life experience, Jeffery. Age does not mean anything.

[S_K_O_F]

Im here just as much as you. Im not saying you dont have lives, im saying your lives are in no way a reflection on you online life.


You are absolutely right. I act no different in this forum than I do in real life. Unlike most people, I might even be more reserved here out of pure laziness to type out everything that comes out of my mouth.

But...alternatively, I do pick things up in this forum that I try to incorporate into my life. I have learned a lot from this forum.

[Jeffery]

You underestimate ones life experience, Jeffery. Age does not mean anything.
Oh yeah, that's right. You're one of those poor kids who's been through so much that someone else could NEVER understand how hard your life really is.
I mean, OH MY GOD, you've only got ONE computer to play games on! I mean, you're so poor it's only 68 degrees in your place during the winter!

OMG, you're life is so much worse than anyones else....

[S_K_O_F]

Kid, you're still talking out of your ass about something you know nothing about.

Grow up, go into the real world, then come back and tell be the difference between real world and an online forum.

And likewise...I have been pissed offed at my computer while conversing on this forum before. Why? Because, despite the lack of true physical interaction, this forum is still a part of my life. I honestly wouldn't be here if I truly didn't believe that what these other people are saying didn't matter.

Come to think of it...Why in the world do you stick around? If this has no bearing on your life while you are here, then is it not just as pointless to be here?

[meat.eater]

Finance situation doesnt define hardship.

And calling me a "kid" isnt proving your point anymore either.

I dont see why its so hard for you to realize life is different for everyone, and hardships, therefor are defined differently. The "real world" is my "real world."

So, if you, in any way, think you are going to convince i havent lived in "the real world" which is...in fact...my real world, you are wrong.

[Realist]

1. There is nothing itellectual about arguing with someone who could, quite frankly, be retarded.

Sure it is. There's a goal, and you get to try to reach the goal using your strengh of mind--its a challenge to the brain. How do you state things to be most effective? Actually, you know, I think arguing over the internet has improved my writing abilities pretty significantly. When I'm just saying random stuff I don't even have to think; when you argue, being able to state things well is a definite advantage.

2. You're right on here. Self expression. It does show who you are. In a negative way, more often then not

Negative, positive, its self, and humans enjoy expressing their self. Its one of the reasons why we communicate, probably one of the reasons you're posting on this thread right now.

3. Arguments are not "conversations." A conversation of ideas is a discussion. Not an argument.

An arugment is absolutely a form of conversation; and it is certaintly an exchange of ideas. The distinguishing feature of an arugment is that there are opposing views; this makes arguments more interesting, it also makes consensus less likely, but consensus is no fun anyways. :)

4. Yes. But then you're just proving your lack of any worth. Eat when you're bored, and become the obese population. Its better then being a jackass for no reason.

Eating doesn't stop boredom that well. Plus, eating a lot can have more negative immediate side effects than obesity. Regardless, I don't get bored too easily, so this point doesn't matter to much to me.

5. I dont know what kind of screwed up stress you have. Its just inferiorizing. In your mind. But not actually inferiorizing anyone. So its like false relief of stress for you...i guess.

Except, of course, that's there's no such thing as "fake" release of stess. Heh, I don't get stressed too easily anyways, and if I was really stressed, the last thing I'd want to do is get in an argument over the internet. But there is a certain satisfaction that comes from effective argument.

6. True. But discussions accomplish this in a better fashion.

Discussions educate you as to how other people think when they discuss things; arguments educate you as to how other people think when they argue. Its two seperate situations, both which I find somewhat interesting.

[Jeffery]

And likewise...I have been pissed offed at my computer while conversing on this forum before. Why? Because, despite the lack of true physical interaction, this forum is still a part of my life. I honestly wouldn't be here if I truly didn't believe that what these other people are saying didn't matter.

Come to think of it...Why in the world do you stick around? If this has no bearing on your life while you are here, then is it not just as pointless to be here?
I've said why I'm here for the most part. In fact, that reason is the one Meat said doesn;t exist.

And meat, you're a kid using a kids logic. Your points you made are the exact same point every kid makes sooner or later when arguing logic with the older persons of the forums. Happens all the time, and immediately after being told that, they all start talking about how they had a hard life and experienced so much more than we could possibly believe.

[meat.eater]

And likewise...I have been pissed offed at my computer while conversing on this forum before. Why? Because, despite the lack of true physical interaction, this forum is still a part of my life. I honestly wouldn't be here if I truly didn't believe that what these other people are saying didn't matter.

Come to think of it...Why in the world do you stick around? If this has no bearing on your life while you are here, then is it not just as pointless to be here?

I didnt say "what people say doesnt matter."

Many things people have said here have stuck with me. But they arent going to change the outcome of my thinking.

I stick around for the very reason i just said. Im pointing out the whole "cyberman vs. cyberman" relationship hardly exists on a level besides from just that. A "cyberman." When you reach a new level of communications with people, as i have with many people from these forums, it can mean more. But, often, you arent arguing with them. You're arguing with someone who makes no difference, just because you want to prove soemthing that will never be proved in the minds of every other person reading your rant.

Nobody ever gets offended online. Even if they did, you have the satisfaction of hurting someone you've never ascociated with. Ever. Congrats. And its rediculous to think otherwise.

[Realist]

And meat, you're a kid using a kids logic. Your points you made are the exact same point every kid makes sooner or later when arguing logic with the older persons of the forums. Happens all the time, and immediately after being told that, they all start talking about how they had a hard life and experienced so much more than we could possibly believe.

Not me! My life is easy and I've experienced virtually nothing, but I still think I understand the world better than 99.99% of adults. :cool2:

[22woger22]

Not me! My life is easy and I've experienced virtually nothing, but I still think I understand the world better than 99.99% of adults. :cool2:
And you're that 99.99%?

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[meat.eater]

I've said why I'm here for the most part. In fact, that reason is the one Meat said doesn;t exist.

And meat, you're a kid using a kids logic. Your points you made are the exact same point every kid makes sooner or later when arguing logic with the older persons of the forums. Happens all the time, and immediately after being told that, they all start talking about how they had a hard life and experienced so much more than we could possibly believe.

Oh god. Show me another example. I never said i had a "hard life", also. I said my life experience is just that. And saying i need to wake up and smell the coffee is redundant.

[Realist]

And you're that 99.99%?

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:confused:

Read my post again?

[Jeffery]

Oh god. Show me another example. I never said i had a "hard life", also. I said my life experience is just that. And saying i need to wake up and smell the coffee is redundant.
And where did I ever say wake up and smell the coffee?
Now just because you heard someone use that line once, don;t steal it to try and sound all smart. Escpecially when the person you use the line against never used the line you are trying to put down.

And Realist, I think Tutu just called you fat.

[meat.eater]

@ real- if, indeed, your point of agruing is to merely do as you say, and not prove a point (which is what arguing _is_), then there is no core point. Its just the sub-categories of arguing that..i guess...satisfy you..oddly enough.

More ofteh then not, people are genuinly arguing. And THAT is whats pointless.

[meat.eater]

I didnt quote it Jeffery. I used it in context as to what the message you were trying to get at was.

[Realist]

@ real- if, indeed, your point of agruing is to merely do as you say, and not prove a point (which is what arguing _is_), then there is no core point. Its just the sub-categories of arguing that..i guess...satisfy you..oddly enough.

Yes, but think! This is true of communication as a whole. How much of what we say do we really need to say just to get along in the world? The point of sociability is not to communicate practical information; sociability is its own point.

[Jeffery]

I didnt quote it Jeffery. I used it in context as to what the message you were trying to get at was.
Except that is not the messgae I gave. My message wa shtta before you dictate to people how they MUST use a forums, you should try and figure out for yourself that there is not "A" way a forum has to be used.

[meat.eater]

And...where did i ever say this was the way you must use a forum?

[Jeffery]

And, i find that sad that you have to do that in nun-human contact. Its quite simple. The only reason people agrue online is because they feel they have to prove something, when everything here you think you need to prove is totally not worth proving. Because it is pointless.

The point of forums and a game is to enjoy yourself. Not outlet your "angst", or be anything close to being real life. Hense: utterly pointless.


And since you will tell me you never said that people had to use a forums a certain way, here is your post where you did exactly that.

[22woger22]

And Realist, I think Tutu just called you fat.
FINALLY, someone who understand me.



Now let's not start another argument, especially with Jeffery in it.
And Jeffery, I think I just called you fat.
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[Realist]

22, I still don't get it.

[meat.eater]

And since you will tell me you never said that people had to use a forums a certain way, here is your post where you did exactly that.

And why are you arguing right now?

[S_K_O_F]

You're arguing with someone who makes no difference, just because you want to prove soemthing that will never be proved in the minds of every other person reading your rant.

Nobody ever gets offended online. Even if they did, you have the satisfaction of hurting someone you've never ascociated with. Ever. Congrats. And its rediculous to think otherwise.

I actually take offense to what you just said. You need to choose your words more carefully, though. By being a member of this forum, I associate myself with everyone here, regardless of if I like them or dislike them. I am proud to associate myself with every single one of you. Do I get satisfaction from expressing myself here??? Yes! I like it. Just like I like expressing myself to my physical acquantences.

What is truly ridiculous is believing that the happenings of this part of my life (the forum) shouldn't really matter to me.

The tub that you are using for you stance is more like a funnel. Nothing you are saying is holding water.

[Jeffery]

And why are you arguing right now?
Because it is fun, and I am relieveing angst I face in the real world by participating in an argument that means absolutely nothing, since there is nothing to really prove because 6 hours from now this argument will be completely forgotten about, and absolutely nothing will have been proven.

[S_K_O_F]

Because it is fun, and I am relieveing angst I face in the real world by participating in an argument that means absolutely nothing, since there is nothing to rerally prove because 6 hoursfrom now this argument will be completelyforgotten about, and absolutely nothing will have been proven.

I won't forget.
I won't forget.
I won't forget.
I won't forget

I do believe in this argument.
I do believe in this argument.
I do believe in this argument.

Clap your hands! Clap your hands! Save the argument. If you don't, it will die!

1000 points to the person who can tell me where I got that.

[22woger22]

Gosh, let's just rename this thread "The new and improved Argument Thread".

22, I still don't get it.
You heard Jeffery.

Never mind, I read your post wrong.

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[meat.eater]

Because it is fun, and I am relieveing angst I face in the real world by participating in an argument that means absolutely nothing, since there is nothing to really prove because 6 hours from now this argument will be completely forgotten about, and absolutely nothing will have been proven.

And, i find that sad that you have to do that in nun-human contact. Its quite simple. The only reason people agrue online is because they feel they have to prove something, when everything here you think you need to prove is totally not worth proving. Because it is pointless.

Similar, no? Then you would agree arguing to try to actually convince someone something is utterly pointless?

[Jeffery]

I won't forget.
I won't forget.
I won't forget.
I won't forget

I do believe in this argument.
I do believe in this argument.
I do believe in this argument.

Clap your hands! Clap your hands! Save the argument. If you don't, it will die!

1000 points to the person who can tell me where I got that.
Every time a bell rings, an Angel gets run over by a bus.

And take tinkerbell back and have Hook shoot her out of a cannon.

[S_K_O_F]

Every time a bell rings, an Angel gets run over by a bus.

And take tinkerbell back and have Hook shoot her out of a cannon.

You get 2000 points!

[Jeffery]

Similar, no? Then you would agree arguing to try to actually convince someone something is utterly pointless?
Nope. Your quote says someone is trying to prove something that doesn;t need proving. My quote says I am not trying to prove anything.

Now, unless your German is rusty or something, that means they are not similar beyong the fact that I wrotemine in English, and you tried to.

[meat.eater]

I was talking about what i bolded.

And, answer my question.

[Twelve]

An interesting cast of characters on this thread.

1. Repentant jerk.

2. Un-repentant jerk.

3. Accusing crowd.

4. Neutral observer.

5. Naysayer.

I see now that Shakespeare based his ideas on reality.

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[S_K_O_F]

Nope. Your quote says someone is trying to prove something that doesn;t need proving. My quote says I am not trying to prove anything.

Now, unless your German is rusty or something, that means they are not similar beyong the fact that I wrotemine in English, and you tried to.

Damnit!!!
I should have saved that rep for this one!

[Twelve]

6. Oh yeah, and the town drunk/fool.

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[meat.eater]

An interesting cast of characters on this thread.

1. Repentant jerk.

2. Un-repentant jerk.

3. Accusing crowd.

4. Neutral observer.

5. Naysayer.

I see now that Shakespeare based his ideas on reality.

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Lol! thats pretty good!

Which jerk am I? We've both been pretty repetitive.

[Jeffery]

I was talking about what i bolded.

And, answer my question.
Whioch is what I refered to. Your bold says that I am arguing to prove a point. My bold says that there IS no point to be argued.

Those are different things, and IS the answer to your question.
http://hop.com

Maybe they can help you understand what I said better?

[Twelve]

Lol! thats pretty good!

Which jerk am I? We've both been pretty repetitive.


No, you're the naysayer, accusing everyone involved in the play of being foolish.

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[Jeffery]

Lol! thats pretty good!

Which jerk am I? We've both been pretty repetitive.
Repentant and repetitive are seperate words.
http://dictionary.com
Maybe that site will help also.

[Jeffery]

No, you're the naysayer, accusing everyone involved in the play of being foolish.

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So, which 3 am I?

[meat.eater]

Im saying it is not worth proving because there is nothing to prove to anyone. Which is exactly what you said.

So right now...after you just "insulted" me with your link...you didnt feel the slightest bit of "oh yea...im the man...i just pwned meat" type of feeling?

[Twelve]

So, which 3 am I?

No. Just one. The neutral observer. As you do so often, you play the cool guy in the background who is supposedly above it all and clearly sees the true nature of this conflict like nobody else.

Therefore, it is of no surprise that you are now fighting with the naysayer, because both of you believe that your bird's eye views are correct, but they conflict.

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[Jeffery]

Im saying it is not worth proving because there is nothing to prove to anyone. Which is exactly what you said.

So right now...after you just "insulted" me with your link...you didnt feel the slightest bit of "oh yea...im the man...i just pwned meat" type of feeling?
None at all, because in order to feel like that, I would have to actually think that my "insult" were true. Since you obviously have a pretty good grasp of the english written language, Hooked on Phinics would not be a program that would help you.

And the two are not the same, because yours says the argument is to prove a point where none exists, where mine is that there is no point even being argued.

[Jeffery]

No. Just one. The neutral observer. As you do so often, you play the cool guy in the background who is supposedly above it all and clearly sees the true nature of this conflict like nobody else.

Therefore, it is of no surprise that you are now fighting with the naysayer, because both of you believe that your bird's eye views are correct, but they conflict.

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Except that, as the un-repentant jerk has pointed out many times, my position itself never really exists, as it changes constantly, and often at a whim. Heck, sometimes it changesbetween posts.

[Twelve]

Except that, as the un-repentant jerk has pointed out many times, my position itself never really exists, as it changes constantly, and often at a whim. Heck, sometimes it changesbetween posts.

Ah, you are quite right. Marvel Comics has a character named "The Watcher", who is the "neutral observer". He too is not supposed to interact with anything, thereby not existing.

Hmm. Good thoughts there, Jeff.

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[Moose]

On a side note, this thread was made by a legender (myself) which ironically has thrown FPS into Chaos, which at the same time makes a lot of sense.

So....Cheers?


Hugh, hand me a beer.

[meat.eater]

None at all, because in order to feel like that, I would have to actually think that my "insult" were true. Since you obviously have a pretty good grasp of the english written language, Hooked on Phinics would not be a program that would help you.

And the two are not the same, because yours says the argument is to prove a point where none exists, where mine is that there is no point even being argued.

And theres the difference.

You assume all people argue for no point.

Though ive had many aim convos with people in shackles over an argument they just had with someone on TAO. And yet im forced to think that it was totally not worth it.

At least we agree there is no point.

Im late for the football game! We're about to get killed.

Just keep in mind, you tend to be an exception in many cases, and i highly doubt those arguments between Realist and netjak about frylock were just to "release angst." There was actual argument there. And it accomplished nothing except creating anger.

But, i guess there are exceptions in every case.

And that "rependant" was a mis-read because i was reading fast. :D

Oh, and if you would like to see picture of me in monthly chemotherapy sessions or taking over 25 pills or getting hormone injections from the Lupus i have, i'd be happy to show them. Dotn tell me i dont know what "real world" is, my friend. Ive experienced more in the last year then many do in 10.

au revior.

[Realist]

Moose....

[Twelve]

Well, then, I am off to watch a movie. Thank you all for giving me that interesting brain observation.

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[Jeffery]

And theres the difference.

You assume all people argue for no point.

Though ive had many aim convos with people in shackles over an argument they just had with someone on TAO. And yet im forced to think that it was totally not worth it.

At least we agree there is no point.

Im late for the football game! We're about to get killed.

Just keep in mind, you tend to be an exception in many cases, and i highly doubt those arguments between Realist and netjak about frylock were just to "release angst." There was actual argument there. And it accomplished nothing except creating anger.

But, i guess there are exceptions in every case.

And that "rependant" was a mis-read because i was reading fast. :D

Oh, and if you would like to see picture of me in monthly chemotherapy sessions or taking over 25 pills or getting hormone injections from the Lupus i have, i'd be happy to show them. Dotn tell me i dont know what "real world" is, my friend. Ive experienced more in the last year then many do in 10.

au revior.
I presume no such thing. I argue like that many times. My posts here refer to MY arguments, and MY posting, because I was coming from MY way of doing things.

I never said what people must use forums for, or how people must argue. That was all you.

[Hugh Junit]

Not me! My life is easy and I've experienced virtually nothing, but I still think I understand the world better than 99.99% of adults. :cool2:


That's funny, x, but anyhow...
I just wanted to say that none of the members you named as the "jak-pak" are unable to think for themselves. I'm pretty sure you know that. There's a difference between being like-minded, and being mindless.
In the world of TAO, netjak is definitely considered an old clan. Lots of members have come and gone, but some found a kind of kinship.
Those kinds of relationships usually develop between people who share similar opinions and ideas. That doesn't mean they agree on everything. Not at all.
But the relationship exists because they are "like-minded" about some things. Maybe not everything, but some things. Enough things.

[Realist]

That's funny, x, but anyhow...

I'm actually not kidding.

I just wanted to say that none of the members you named as the "jak-pak" are unable to think for themselves. I'm pretty sure you know that. There's a difference between being like-minded, and being mindless.

I don't think they are like-minded, mindless, or even absolutely unable to think for themselves. What I do think is that there's a sort of groupthink which takes control. I explained this a bit earlier, it might not even be intentional, but when your friends keep saying the same things, you start to believe them too whether or not you would have any reason to yourself.

[Medemia]

I'm usually not one for cliches but this one fits. Hurry now and save the world while your young and know everything.

[Realist]

I'm usually not one for cliches but this one fits. Hurry now and save the world while your young and know everything.

I hardly know anything. Everyone else just knows less. :mad:

[Medemia]

Have you ever sat down and talked to a person in a convelescent home? It's amazing how much knowledge, world experience and history they remember and are ready to pass on to the next generation. Funny thing life is. When I was 8 I had an answer for everything, even if I was making it up off the top of my head. I was the master of balderdash. When I was 16, I knew how to raise myself better than my parents. Now that I'm 30 I go to my parents constantly on advice on how to raise my own kids because I don't know what the heck I'm doing in real-life experience. Sure, I have a degree in Child Development and I'm a pastor to children. I've read child rearing books and have watched shows on how to do it, listened to some good and some bad people on how they did it, but nothing replaces experience. I was the perfect parent before I had kids.
So don't tell me you understand life better than 99.99% of adults. You understand idealized life. There's a ton of adults out there who have lived life and you would be wise to listen to their advice instead of having to go through the mistakes they have made and learned from. Alas, some must live their own errors for pride stops them from learning through the errors of others.

[Realist]

By "understand life" I don't mean that I have the practical knowledge. I don't. I absolutely don't know how to raise kids. :| And don't plan on learning anytime soon.

[Hugh Junit]

I'm actually not kidding.



I knew you weren't kidding. That's what I thought was funny.
Do I literally have to put a :rolleyes: to indicate when I'm being sarcastic?
Come on....
:cool:

[Realist]

I knew you weren't kidding. That's what I thought was funny.

My "I'm actually not kidding" was actually just kidding. :D

Of course I don't understand anything. None of us do really.

[Hugh Junit]

My "I'm actually not kidding" was actually just kidding. :D

I call "bullsh*t" on that, x. You remember that old game?
You weren't kidding. I've been around this place long enough to know how smart you think you are.
:cool:

[Realist]

Yeah, you're right, my last post was actually the kidding one.

[S_K_O_F]

Yeah, you're right, my last post was actually the kidding one.

???
It is becoming exceedingly difficult for me to take anything you say with any degree of seriousness.

Wurtil would have had to promote you to court jester, if he were still around.

Northwind would have to give up his spot.

[Medemia]

Hey! Get back on that bandwagon! :D

[S_K_O_F]

Hey! Get back on that bandwagon! :D

The ride is too damn bumpy!

[Realist]

???
It is becoming exceedingly difficult for me to take anything you say with any degree of seriousness.


I have a feeling that I'm going to get up in the morning and reread this thread and nothing I said in the past few pages will make any sense.

[Realist]

Hey! Get back on that bandwagon! :D

Yeah, seriously! You're no use at all. :(

[Hugh Junit]

Well, no one has "the world" figured out, x.
If by "the world" you mean life, which I assume you do.
I'll tell you one thing. You don't have it figured out better than me, and I don't care how high you scored on your S.A.Ts. :cool:
But I know you'll continue to think you do. That's normal.
You're a smart guy, x. I've always said so.
And I don't have all the answers, either.
But people learn about life from living it. There isn't any other way.

[Realist]

Well, no one has "the world" figured out, x.

You are absolutely right. Part of understanding life is understanding the extent of what you don't understand about it.

SATS are pretty horrible measures of understanding. :|

But people also can learn about life by observing it and making inferences.

[Moose]

On a side note, Wheres my beer Hugh!

I'm only 1 canadian, living in a land where the drinking age is roughly 18-19 and the beer is high grade!!!

I CAN'T FIND A BEER!

[Realist]

Maybe look outside?

Lots of the stuff here.

[Hugh Junit]

But people also can learn about life by observing it and making inferences.

Sure, they can learn about it.
I learned all about the U.S.S Indianapolis, when I watched a documentary on the Discovery channel.
But I wouldn't pretend to have experienced what those sailors did.
I realise it's a drastic example, but I'm responding to something you said. You admitted to having not experienced much, and having a relatively easy life ( your words, though I'm paraphrasing ).
But you also said that you believed you understood "the world" more than 99.9% of most adults.

[Hugh Junit]

On a side note, Wheres my beer Hugh!

I CAN'T FIND A BEER!

* slowly slides Moose a beer *

[Jeffery]

???
It is becoming exceedingly difficult for me to take anything you say with any degree of seriousness.

Wurtil would have had to promote you to court jester, if he were still around.

Northwind would have to give up his spot.


No, Sergiy promoted him to court jester.

[22woger22]

* slowly slides Moose a beer *
Moose with beer:

http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledmoose1lu.png

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[Moose]

Moose with beer:

http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledmoose1lu.png

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Wow, I wish I had a Moose cap like that. Pos rep for you...Cheers!


Edit: Bah, the evil rep system won't let me give you anymore rep until i spread the wealth :angry:

[22woger22]

Wow, I wish I had a Moose cap like that. Pos rep for you...Cheers!


Edit: Bah, the evil rep system won't let me give you anymore rep until i spread the wealth :angry:
Haha! I told you to stop with the random reps:

Why do you send random reps? Sooner or later, you should be able to find a post that actually deserves the rep. Save the reps for good posts, instead of your random burst of ... Randomess.

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I'm all alone... 09-12-2005 11:51 PM Moose WATCH OUT, It'S A RADNOM REP!

:D

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[Glamdring]

Wow, I wish I had a Moose cap like that. Pos rep for you...Cheers!


Edit: Bah, the evil rep system won't let me give you anymore rep until i spread the wealth :angry:
Dude you look like some kind of... Australian or something. Geez.

[22woger22]

Dude you look like some kind of... Australian or something. Geez.
Mwahaha.

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[Elentari]

Seriously. I'm under the impression that the official Australian pastime is drinking.

Glammy and I both thought you were a teenager, woger :eek:.

[22woger22]

Seriously. I'm under the impression that the official Australian pastime is drinking.

Glammy and I both thought you were a teenager, woger :eek:.
You are both correct. I am a teenager. He's just an uncle of mine (in the screenie).

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[Glamdring]

You are both correct. I am a teenager. He's just an uncle of mine (in the screenie).

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Haha, we win after all. Yarr.

[Zoticus]

Seriously. I'm under the impression that the official Australian pastime is drinking.

Glammy and I both thought you were a teenager, woger :eek:.
Get in line, cause I thought he was too. :eek:


EDIT: Opp's I didn;t see that last post, sorry for the mess up. :sleep:

[22woger22]

Haha, we win after all. Yarr.
Congratulations?

Now post under me, Glammy, I want to see you get 3,000 posts under my post :p.

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[Glamdring]

Dude. I didn't notice that happening :(

Well my 3,003rd shall be under yours! And that's a palindrome, so it's nifty anyways.

This post is in honor of the honorable posters who have honorably passed into the honorable unknown.

Heh... I just realized I'm currently listening to the wicked awesome foo fighters album In Your Honor.

[22woger22]

Dude. I didn't notice that happening :(

Well my 3,003rd shall be under yours! And that's a palindrome, so it's nifty anyways.

This post is in honor of the honorable posters who have honorably passed into the honorable unknown.

Heh... I just realized I'm currently listening to the wicked awesome foo fighters album In Your Honor.
What an honour (too bad, I and my fellow Aussies spell it 'honour' with a 'u').

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[WaCk-HeAd]

Sure it is. You implied that I shouldn't post anything that might cause a fight with you guys, even if I think it should be posted. Your clan is the first thing in your mind; it is not in mine.

I don't remember ever doing this. All I said was that it is irrelevent to me whether NJers decide they want to fight against me over the stuff I say about them which I believe deserves to be said. That doesn't in any way mean I don't care about how my posts affect others--what I said is clearly far more limited. Of course I care how what I say affects others.

Ok now lets look back at the actual situation taking place.

When Twelve was trying to explain a few things to a fellow netjakker, who at the moment was pissed of about netjak, you had the need to say something.

Something that you knew would come across as an insult - I mean, you can not be that much of a dumbass to not realise that telling someone that he's not able to think for himself is not an insult.

Then you proceed to tell me you don't care how this would affect others (in this specific case, Netjak). You do not realise that you're, as a mod, telling right now that, whenever you feel the need to insult Netjak, you will do so, not caring about how that affects them? You do not see what's wrong with this? Not because of my "sacred" clan, but because of what you're claiming.
You claim that whenever someone has the need to insult someone else, they should just do it, and shouldn't care about how that affects them.

Further more, you'll only do so with the Netjack pack? HA! Don't make me laugh.

When you feel the need to post something, something completely goes wrong in your little head, somehow you convince yourself that you're 100% right, and that it's 100% needed to be said. Which is complete and utter bullshit.

I've just learned to not take the Jak Pak whatsoever seriously. And you've given me just more reason to think like that.

And thank God I learned that you're nothing but a joke. I don't care whether your name is blue or not, you're just an annoying little boy. *wonders if Roody might be interested*


Bleh, I didn't think it was that great. Glad I provided the opportunity though.

You didn't think it was that great? I haven't seen a burn like that in a LONG time.


P.S. Just because I had to go to sleep, doesn't mean I can't throw in another post. :)
But ok, I'll allow Realist to respond once more, because we all know he will, and TRY and won't say anything.

[Realist]

Sure, they can learn about it.
I learned all about the U.S.S Indianapolis, when I watched a documentary on the Discovery channel.
But I wouldn't pretend to have experienced what those sailors did.
I realise it's a drastic example, but I'm responding to something you said. You admitted to having not experienced much, and having a relatively easy life ( your words, though I'm paraphrasing ).
But you also said that you believed you understood "the world" more than 99.9% of most adults.

You know, its sort of weird to be discussing relative understanding like this. I know many of you won't believe me, but in real life I really don't go up to random strangers and poke them with some kind of "hey, I'm smarter than you, listen to me." I do think that I grasp certain things that other people just don't, but we all have our special talents (most of us anyways) and mine aren't particularly more valuable than anyone else's. In fact, its sort of worthless.

All I'm trying to say is that no, understanding != experience. Experience can be enlightening and experience can also be muddling--our personal experiences will often lead us to view something subjectively when it should be examined objectively. And when I say I understand "the world" I'm talking about the big and strange things, up in the air uselss things, not the practical or the generally useful.

[WaCk-HeAd]

By the way, go to our netjak.com thread in the Recruitmen Posting. Read Dan U's post, and I hope you'll understand where we're coming from most of the times.

[Realist]

When Twelve was trying to explain a few things to a fellow netjakker, who at the moment was pissed of about netjak, you had the need to say something.

Oh come on, don't tell me that Twelve has no other means to communicate with Glam but by posting in this thread? I know how closely NJ guards its internal battles most of the time. He posted it publically intentionally, and by posting it publically, its open game for anyone to respond.

Anyways, I had said a few disparaging remarks about nj in the thread and I felt that the point 12 made about it not being all netjaks was an important one for me to agree to. So I formed a list so you people would know exactly who I'm talking about whenever I say "jak pack."

Then you proceed to tell me you don't care how this would affect others (in this specific case, Netjak). You do not realise that you're, as a mod, telling right now that, whenever you feel the need to insult Netjak, you will do so, not caring about how that affects them?

I'm talking only about the members I listed in my list, and only when they are working together, but yes, I don't feel any guilt whatsoever with insulting you guys. You do the same/worse to others and I think you're an overall negative influence on the forums when you attack in packs like you do. You scare people away. You don't need to infer from this though that I don't care whatsoever about how anything I say affects other people. Its just you people, and only when you are working together, and I have good reason to feel this way.

That said, what I was saying earlier was only this: The idea of my post was not to insult. I felt it should be said regardless of whether it was taken as an insult or not. You can't even take from that that I never ever care whether I insult the pack; I was only talking about one particular situation.

Further more, you'll only do so with the Netjack pack? HA! Don't make me laugh.

I thought I was the only one who spelled "Netjack" with a "c."

And thank God I learned that you're nothing but a joke.

Its sort of unfortunate, but you know? You hardly ever come in GD except to attack me (at least so far as I've seen). So you can't possibly have any sort of balanced view of me. But it doesn't really matter. Unlike with most of the rest of the pack, I don't dislike you in the least. So, its cool with me. Think whatever you'd like, and I'll do the same. :)

You didn't think it was that great? I haven't seen a burn like that in a LONG time.

Nah. For one, its the same things you people grab every single time.

Cant finish replying, got to go, see you, good luck.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Oh come on, don't tell me that Twelve has no other means to communicate with Glam but by posting in this thread? I know how closely NJ guards its internal battles most of the time. He posted it publically intentionally, and by posting it publically, its open game for anyone to respond.

Anyways, I had said a few disparaging remarks about nj in the thread and I felt that the point 12 made about it not being all netjaks was an important one for me to agree to. So I formed a list so you people would know exactly who I'm talking about whenever I say "jak pack."

So you formed a list of who was in it, and why they were in it. Again, the little jab was not necessary at all.

I'm talking only about the members I listed in my list, and only when they are working together, but yes, I don't feel any guilt whatsoever with insulting you guys. You do the same/worse to others and I think you're an overall negative influence on the forums when you attack in packs like you do. You scare people away.

Really? You really feel that we scare people away and that we just go out and insult everybody? Really?

*Takes a look at the rep list* Yeah, I actually see quite a few people of your "pack" in the top 10. True, we give a few reps to eachother, but I assure you that we don't have the power to form such a list by ourselves.

Further more, I've said it before and will say it again.

We act when provoked, seriously.

For example, take a look at our thread and the last few posts made by Dan U and Streetgang. That's how it is very often. Some dumbass who's threatened by netjak and it's position in this game, comes online and starts bitching. We, the assholes that we are, react. True, we sometimes are harsh, but we told them from the beginning that we would be if they kept on coming.

Now there haven't been any trouble between JW and Netjak lately, until JW heard Netjak had a bump in the road. So what do they do? They come in and start shit.


You don't need to infer from this though that I don't care whatsoever about how anything I say affects other people. Its just you people, and only when you are working together, and I have good reason to feel this way.

Come on! How's that different from what I said?
It's just filling in the names where I used the word "others". Today it's netjak, tomorrow it's someone else.

You've made some vague requirements that are needed for you to feel this way, and at the moment it seems that the Netjak Pack fills those requirements, tomorrow someone else will meet them and you'll insult him without caring how that may affect them.

And apparently those requirements are not really all that hard to meet, since I really can not see what we did that was that extremely bad.

You don't care about insulting the Netjak Pack, because you don't care about how that may affect them.
How is that not completely wrong, as a mod, to state?

And what is your reason that you don't care how you affect anyone in the Netjak pack?

That said, what I was saying earlier was only this: The idea of my post was not to insult. I felt it should be said regardless of whether it was taken as an insult or not. You can't even take from that that I never ever care whether I insult the pack; I was only talking about one particular situation.

Yes I can take from that that you never ever care whether you insult the pack, since you just stated it yourself!!
I'm talking only about the members I listed in my list, and only when they are working together, but yes, I don't feel any guilt whatsoever with insulting you guys.

I thought I was the only one who spelled "Netjack" with a "c."

True, that was pretty bad. Probably since you spell pack with ck I messed up with Netjak.


Its sort of unfortunate, but you know? You hardly ever come in GD except to attack me (at least so far as I've seen). So you can't possibly have any sort of balanced view of me. But it doesn't really matter. Unlike with most of the rest of the pack, I don't dislike you in the least. So, its cool with me. Think whatever you'd like, and I'll do the same. :)

I actually am in GD quite often, I just don't always post. And I really am not just here to attack you. Like with you and all the others, I will respond when I feel attacked. And since you mentioned me in the pack, as someone who can't think for himself, I respond.

And it's not like you're always annoying. I mean, we were actually on the same side in a discussion about Free Will.


Nah. For one, its the same things you people grab every single time.

Come on! Be honest! "childish piece of foolishness", that's pure gold right there.

[Twelve]

Well Wack, thing is, I was holding back on that post which is quoted in your sig. I was about to even provide the link associated with it in order to educate all of the new people as to how much or how little he's matured since then. But despite how cool Realist is trying to sound, that would have truly hurt him. And I have no desire to do that. But I will call him on it when he tries to hurt others, mod or not.

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[old_man_killer]

I'm talking only about the members I listed in my list, and only when they are working together, but yes, I don't feel any guilt whatsoever with insulting you guys. You do the same/worse to others and I think you're an overall negative influence on the forums when you attack in packs like you do. You scare people away. You don't need to infer from this though that I don't care whatsoever about how anything I say affects other people. Its just you people, and only when you are working together, and I have good reason to feel this way.

All I'm trying to say is that no, understanding != experience. Experience can be enlightening and experience can also be muddling--our personal experiences will often lead us to view something subjectively when it should be examined objectively. And when I say I understand "the world" I'm talking about the big and strange things, up in the air uselss things, not the practical or the generally useful.

Realist, the first quote is of you choosing not to interact with a particular group "objectively", So then we can assume from your 2nd quote that you

a) do not practice what you preach
b) make this crap up as you go

note: I am leaning towards B personally. :)

[Moose]

I think this thread has finally hit it's peak, well it was fun while it lasted :p.

[FryLock]

Damn, I missed all the fireworks.

What I find interesting is how realist named the "pack," yet neither nomar nor crx nor a few others ran in here to post. That alone defeats this little wannabe-psychobabble theory.

Anyway guys, realist will never admit a mistake, he'll brush it off with an attempt at sarcastic humor. So don't bother trying to respond with logic, he obviously thinks so much of himself that he won't see it.

But in the end, Pixel said it the best, by far. When someone who's SO non-combative comes up with that sentiment, you know there's got to be something there.

Realist is a tool, and a joke of a mod. But hey, better for him to have authority here, rather than somewhere in real life where he could actually have an impact.

[Moose]

Careful Fry, I think your trolling XD.

jk

[Moose]

Oh no, my great flame thread is dying...MUST SAVE IT!!!

[Jeffery]

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love
No, not just for some, but for everyone

Lyrics (http://www.elyrics4u.com/w/what_the_world_needs_now_is_love_jackie_desannon.h tm)

[Twelve]

Oh no, my great flame thread is dying...MUST SAVE IT!!!

Moose, remember now, being an attention whore is the beginning of the path to jerkdom. You are beyond that now!!!

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[Moose]

Moose, remember now, being an attention whore is the beginning of the path to jerkdom. You are beyond that now!!!

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I think we all have a lil bit of attention whorism in us, after all, were only human ;).

[Realist]

So you formed a list of who was in it, and why they were in it. Again, the little jab was not necessary at all.

I felt it important to include in my post as an explanation for why I chose the list as I did.

Really? You really feel that we scare people away and that we just go out and insult everybody? Really?

Um...when did I say that you "just go out and insult everybody"? Why do you purposely misquote me? Is it just for effect? I know you're not stupid enough for it to be just a matter of lack of reading comprehension, so you must be being dishonest intentionally.

But yes, you do scare a lot of people. Want to guess how many people PMed me during the Frylock situation saying that they supported what I was doing but were too afraid to post what they felt because they feared the retaliation? You people are very brutal sometimes. It's interesting how acutely you notice the tiniest nastiness done by me but you can't even recognize your own harmful power. Maybe its time for a bit more self-reflection among you guys and a bit less pretended moral superiority.

*Takes a look at the rep list* Yeah, I actually see quite a few people of your "pack" in the top 10. True, we give a few reps to eachother, but I assure you that we don't have the power to form such a list by ourselves.

I assure you that you do, especially since NJ has been doing it since the system was implemented. Not saying its a huge conspiracy, but as a clan, you're self-congratulatory to the point of absurdity. Not to say that you don't have a lot of popular members of your own, but popularity is not a reflection of niceness. I mean, look at Jeffery--one of the most callous members of the forum, sometimes far more disrespectful of people apologizing or honestly asking for help than I ever was (and I doubt Jeffery will disagree with me on that)-- and still he's number one on the rep.

We act when provoked, seriously.

What you mean is that you always have a reason for acting. But that doesn't mean you are in the right. Some people actually have legitamate grievances against members of your clan, and sometimes others are caught in the crossfire. You certaintly attack JW as a whole without any consideration for the fact that not all of its members ever opposed you in any way, just to name an example.

It's just filling in the names where I used the word "others". Today it's netjak, tomorrow it's someone else.

No, its only a part of netjak, and other people who act like that part of netjak. I already explained my reasons for thinking this way about the pack; for any group which doesn't fulfill those same reasons, the stuff the reasoning lead towards does not apply to them.

You've made some vague requirements that are needed for you to feel this way

Not vague at all. In the year and a half or so since the nj pack phenomenon started, there's no other group which has ever acted in the same way whatsoever. No other group of people has such a brash, strong, quick gang reaction against a single individual who commits some minor percieved offense against that group. No other group has anywhere near the kind of intimidation power that you have. No other group is so hateful and offensive towards those it sees as its enemy.

You don't care about insulting the Netjak Pack, because you don't care about how that may affect them.

My apologies. I'm sorry if big bad Realist offended the feelings of any of you poor little children. :(

I actually am in GD quite often, I just don't always post.

Possibly. Still, posting is part of it. I know when CRX states stuff against me he probably actually believes it since we've exchanged posts on a lot of non-related posts too, so he sort of knows me. With people like you, we pretty much only interact in these heated exchanges, so it makes sense that these conversations are what you base your opinion of me on.

Come on! Be honest! "childish piece of foolishness", that's pure gold right there.

No, actually its not. I mean, its not bad, but its nothing great. As I meant to say in my last post but had to leave before, you guys still seem incredibly obsessed with Leanne and my relationship with her. Is that the only other thing I'm known for in that group of njs who rarely post on GD besides being the enemy mod? I have posted so much crap on this forum, and all you can attack me on is a pretty well-written piece of work in an intense, loving relationship with an extremely attractive girl, which yielded more than one real life encounter of much enjoyment. I mean, I still sometimes read what I wrote in that thread--I like it, it feels right to read. I'm not whatsoever ashamed of having a mostly online relationship with Leanne and I'm certaintly not embarrassed about what I wrote. I'd post it again in a second.

Meanwhile, there's a whole wealth of stuff which I've posted drunk, stupid, deluded, as a sickeningly annoying nerdy teenager, as an overly-angst kid who thought he knew far more than he did just because he could spit out a few cool words...I mean, look at the Musing threads, all my walking posts. Horribly written. Way too many words. WAY overly dramatic. And all while engaging in a fairly anti-social activity. I can't believe how complimented I was on those, I would still feel ashamed if anyone ever bumped the threads.

There's also a ton of useless crap I've written on RD over the years, but thankfully its buried in such a huge thread that most of it will probably never be uncovered.

You people attack me on stuff I'm proud of and ignore all my weak points. :)

[Realist]

Well Wack, thing is, I was holding back on that post which is quoted in your sig. I was about to even provide the link associated with it in order to educate all of the new people as to how much or how little he's matured since then. But despite how cool Realist is trying to sound, that would have truly hurt him.

Nah. Feel free to post that link if you'd like, don't worry about hurting me. Unlike poor Wacky here, a little insult doesn't get me all crazed and upset about everyhing. :)

[Realist]

Sorry, OMK, I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking to. I see no contradictions between the two statements you quoted--I am often an objective thinker both when it comes to how I treat the pack and to how I consider existance in general. Often, but not always.

What I find interesting is how realist named the "pack," yet neither nomar nor crx nor a few others ran in here to post. That alone defeats this little wannabe-psychobabble theory.

CRX is afraid after his earlier banning, which is understandable. Of course he still managed to express his opinion on the thing with his negs, as he usually does. Its always fun to get a neg from CRX. :)

nomar did rush to post. He didn't post much, but he posted in support of you guys.

But in the end, Pixel said it the best, by far. When someone who's SO non-combative comes up with that sentiment, you know there's got to be something there.

lol...did you even read her post? :bigsmile: I can sense the hidden bitterness festering in you, Fry. You're not a very easy-to-understand person.

[Jeffery]

I mean, look at Jeffery--one of the most callous members of the forum, sometimes far more disrespectful of people apologizing or honestly asking for help than I ever was (and I doubt Jeffery will disagree with me on that)-- and still he's number one on the rep.



Actually no. A true newb asking for help always gets a good answer from me. I am callous to only those who truly act like an idiot first. And, if a person truly apologizes, I let them go and often help them the best I can.
Also, a very small minority of the rep i get is from Netjak members. The ones who do often rep me for the very same posts that non-netjak members rep me for.
How many times have you answered a post in Gold help, newbie section or Bugs section? No where near as many as you could. (btw, it is 10 seconds to post a link to the Help Desk for most of their questions, so don;t try "you're too busy")

[Realist]

Actually no. A true newb asking for help always gets a good answer from me.

I'm not referring to TAO game help.

[Twelve]

You people are very brutal sometimes.

Just like you.

Maybe its time for a bit more self-reflection among you guys and a bit less pretended moral superiority.

Take your own advice.

you're self-congratulatory to the point of absurdity.

At least we do it as a clan...you do it all by yourself.

Some people actually have legitamate grievances against members of your clan, and sometimes others are caught in the crossfire.

This applies to you too! Wow.

No other group of people has such a brash, strong, quick gang reaction against a single individual who commits some minor percieved offense against that group. No other group has anywhere near the kind of intimidation power that you have. No other group is so hateful and offensive towards those it sees as its enemy.

Replace "group" with "Realist" and once again we have you.

big bad Realist

Word is born. You said it.

Hey, wanna join netjak? According to you, you would fit right in!!

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[Jeffery]

I'm not referring to TAO game help.
Game help, internet help, computer help, how to swallow pills help.

Help is help, and i offer it to all who ask. And i do it because I can, whereas you are a person who can, but never does. You prefer to belittle people in your little intellectual battles instead of offering help to those who ask for it.

[Realist]

I can be brutal, however, there are a few differences between my brutality and yours. First, I'm only one person and I have no group of friends which come to my aid automaticaly--at worst, my brutality is at a one-to-one level. Second, the people I'm sort of mean towards are people who I know can take it. I don't attack kids. Third, its usually not nearly to the same extreme unless they attack me first--and by that I mean, they directly attack me personally, not just correct the spelling on someone's posts or happen to belong to a clan I don't like. Fourth, I don't hold vendettas--if I meet someone I had a fight with in a new situation, I won't hold the fight against them.

Take your own advice.

My point was that you should take your own advice. You've already expressed your desire for me to be kinder and gentler towards your members.

At least we do it as a clan...you do it all by yourself.

No I don't. I have at least as many self-deprecating posts as self-congratulatory ones, and 80% of the latter type are clearly stated facetiously or ironically.

Replace "group" with "Realist" and once again we have you.

OK:

No other Realist of people has such a brash, strong, quick gang reaction against a single individual who commits some minor percieved offense against that group. No other Realist has anywhere near the kind of intimidation power that you have. No other Realist is so hateful and offensive towards those it sees as its enemy.

No, it doesn't work.

Hey, wanna join netjak? According to you, you would fit right in!!

No! You're never getting me. :cool:

[Realist]

Game help, internet help, computer help, how to swallow pills help.

Emotional help? Probably the worst of all to be callous towards...I remember more than one thread to which your response has stuck me as extremely disrespectful of the real problem the member was posting about. I'm sure you remember at least one of those threads to, since you referenced stuff I said in it in this thread.

You prefer to belittle people in your little intellectual battles instead of offering help to those who ask for it.

Don't worry, I help my share of people who send me barrels worth of PMs every day, and every time I go on the servers. :) If non-mods can help answer questions, I don't really see the need for me to.

[22woger22]

First, I'm only one person and I have no group of friends which come to my aid automaticaly.
Aww, I'll be your friend ;).

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[Jeffery]

Emotional help? Probably the worst of all to be callous towards...I remember more than one thread to which your response has stuck me as extremely disrespectful of the real problem the member was posting about. I'm sure you remember at least one of those threads to, since you referenced stuff I said in it in this thread.



Don't worry, I help my share of people who send me barrels worth of PMs every day, and every time I go on the servers. :) If non-mods can help answer questions, I don't really see the need for me to.
In other words, the allmighty unRealist is too good to answer someones simple question.

Yeah, nice to see you don;t have a superiority complex at all.

[Realist]

In other words, the allmighty unRealist is too good to answer someones simple question.

"In other words." Hmm, let's test the validity of that by listing what I said in the post you are quoting:

1. I help tons of people via PM
2. I help tons of people who ask me questions on the servers.
3. I see no urgent need to help people asking questions on the newbie/gold help forums because their questions are already being answered.

So, how exactly do you condense that into "the allmighty unRealist is too good to answer someones simple question"? I'm really intested in your train of logic here.

[Realist]

Aww, I'll be your friend ;).

Thanks. :cool2:

[Twelve]

I can be brutal, however, blablblablablablalba

Thank you for just wasting your time saying what I already told you. I didn't ask for your biography.

My point was that you should take your own advice. You've already expressed your desire for me to be kinder and gentler towards your members.

Uhh...no I didn't. I dissed you earlier because you sounded like a heartless bastard to someone asking for forgiveness.

No I don't. I have at least as many self-deprecating posts as self-congratulatory ones, and 80% of the latter type are clearly stated facetiously or ironically.

Um, yes you do. And if you want self-deprecation, nobody puts netjak down worse than we do ourselves.

OK:

No other Realist of people has such a brash, strong, quick gang reaction against a single individual who commits some minor percieved offense against that group. No other Realist has anywhere near the kind of intimidation power that you have. No other Realist is so hateful and offensive towards those it sees as its enemy.

No, it doesn't work.

You're either intelligent or stupid. Which one?

No! You're never getting me.

Oh, puuuleeeze. That joke isn't even funny right after I typed it.

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[Realist]

Thank you for just wasting your time saying what I already told you.

Um...except that you didn't already tell me anything I wrote there except the first four words? I was explaining how silly your description of me as equally brutal as the pack is. I know you care nothing about such distinctions because logic means nothing to you in this battle, but I still thought it worth making an explanation for the other people reading this thread.

Uhh...no I didn't. I dissed you earlier because you sounded like a heartless bastard to someone asking for forgiveness.

Sorry, I was using the general "you" to refer to all the njers fighting against me right now, since you quoted a post I made to Wack. I was telling Wack to take his own advice. So telling me to take my own advice doesn't make much sense, as Wack was the one giving the advice originally.

Um, yes you do. And if you want self-deprecation, nobody puts netjak down worse than we do ourselves.

If by that you mean you make jokes about each other's sexuality.... :rolleyes:

You're either intelligent or stupid. Which one?

The first.

Originally Posted by Realist flattering himself, i.e., being self-congratulatory

I'm wondering how you see that as flattering myself? :confused: If nj is the perfect clan....

[Twelve]

logic means nothing to you in this battle

That's really the only part of this section that was any good. Too bad it wasn't THAT good.

Sorry, I was using the general "you" to refer to all the njers fighting against me right now, since you quoted a post I made to Wack. I was telling Wack to take his own advice. So telling me to take my own advice doesn't make much sense, as Wack was the one giving the advice originally.

Ah. Then specify next time to make things easier for both of us.

If by that you mean you make jokes about each other's sexuality....

Sure, since doing that with you would certainly get us banned. So I would say we are much more brutal with ourselves than we are even with you. There's another of your points down the drain.

I'm wondering how you see that as flattering myself? If nj is the perfect clan....

Perfect? HAHAHA...hardly. But still too good for you. :)

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[Realist]

Ah. Then specify next time to make things easier for both of us.

Sure.

Sure, since doing that with you would certainly get us banned. So I would say we are much more brutal with ourselves than we are even with you.

Except that making sexual jokes isn't brutal. Because they are just jokes. Teasing. Flirting. No chance of taking them seriously. :) So no, it just doesn't mean you're self-deprecating.

Perfect? HAHAHA...hardly. But still too good for you.

You guys were practically begging me to join when I was playing on my not-so-secret grey name! :)

[Twelve]

*helping Pixel with her homework*

BRB

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[FryLock]

lol...did you even read her post? :bigsmile: I can sense the hidden bitterness festering in you, Fry. You're not a very easy-to-understand person.

I certainly read enough of it.
Realist...... YOU'RE A DICK!! :bigsmile:

The message seems pretty clear. I suppose it didn't come through to you, being the internet lothario we all know you are. :rolleyes:

And I'm much easier to understand than you. I come at ya with both barrels, for better or for ill. People can almost always understand what I'm saying and what I mean (even if they vehemently disagree). If you can't understand me, then I guess you need to delve into your treasure chest of knowledge about the world (I believe it's 99.99% full).

You really should see the irony of this. You call me hard to understand, yet that's not really the case. It's YOU who is hard to understand. If this whole thing was really, as you say, an innocent misunderstanding where you merely meant to correct some spelling without offending...I wonder why that was so hard to interpret. :rolleyes:

Anyway, enjoy your moderating and patting yourself on the back, secure in the knowledge that despite logic and common sense, you can do no wrong.

[old_man_killer]

You certaintly attack JW as a whole without any consideration for the fact that not all of its members ever opposed you in any way, just to name an example.


This sir, is a prime example of your misrepresentation of the truth. The fact is there are a few JW members that we do no have problems with and speaking for myself, I have very respectable interaction with many of them. Why, because they don't get in our face and start shit and we respect them enough to stay out of theirs. Streetgang and Dan_F_U however, blantantly ask for the attention they receive. Though in your mind I am sure you believe it was the Jak Pak that is the cause for them to come into our thread and start crap. We left them alone, and then they start again. Not all the JW, but just those two. And those are the ones we focus our attention on. Just like you, you start crap with us or our friends, then we focus on you. You have made it quite clear that you do not like us as individuals and as a clan (not very objective for a Mod) and you perpetuate these extensive conversations (A good mod would be defusing the situation and not purposely adding to it, Props to Glam for taking Mod actions and attempting to stop this).

One other comment you made earlier concerned our clan and Jak Pak as being detrimental to the forums. (paraphrased) This too is complete hogwash, we and our little flame fests add to the entertainment value of this place. Otherwise we would be reduced to reading your innane ramblings of how you understand the world. If you understood it half as much as you think, you would see that many people are following this thread like a damn MTV reality show! People love us and they want to see what shit we will say or do next. My rep skyrockets everytime we have one of these discussions, and very few come from my own clan........thanks guys :(

[Realist]

The message seems pretty clear.

The message IS quite clear,and its also clearly not a very serious attack. Note the ":bigsmile:"

And I'm much easier to understand than you.

That might very well be true, but you're still more difficult to understand than most people on this forum. I still don't know why you cheated, for example. Nor why you have always had such a strange undercurrent of bitterness towards me. You seem to be fighting battles with yourself I have no grasp of. I don't mean to say this to insult you, its interesting.

If this whole thing was really, as you say, an innocent misunderstanding where you merely meant to correct some spelling without offending...I wonder why that was so hard to interpret.

It wasn't hard in the least. The only people who misinterpretted it were people with other things against me. No one said anything until 12 did; indeed, a bunch of people supported what I said.

Anyway, enjoy your moderating and patting yourself on the back, secure in the knowledge that despite logic and common sense, you can do no wrong.

You know; I've admitted a whole lot of times that I've been wrong. The pack never has. When I prove the points of one of you wrong, when I prove it so effectively that you know it would be counterproductive to continue arguing it, you just drop it completely (using you as a general term now).

[The Prophet]

Realist...... YOU'RE A DICK!!
The message seems pretty clear. I suppose it didn't come through to you, being the internet lothario we all know you are. :rolleyes:

Here, let me help as well to bring it to his attention.

[Realist]

This sir, is a prime example of your misrepresentation of the truth. The fact is there are a few JW members that we do no have problems with and speaking for myself, I have very respectable interaction with many of them. Why, because they don't get in our face and start shit and we respect them enough to stay out of theirs.

There have been multiple threads and posts made against JW as a whole by NJ members.

You have made it quite clear that you do not like us as individuals and as a clan

I've made it quite clear that I have nothing against you as individuals or as a clan, but only as an attack pack. And I think I've made this clear in more than just my words here--in all my forum posts on other topics, have I ever treated you, to use an example, worse than anyone else just because you are also a member of the pack? I don't have much contact with roody, nomar, wack, or prophet except when they are fighting against me, but I treat you and crx the same as anyone else when you're just on your own.

A good mod would be defusing the situation and not purposely adding to it,

This too is complete hogwash, we and our little flame fests add to the entertainment value of this place.

Do you not see the contradiction here? If your "flame fests" help the forum, then wouldn't defusing them be hurting the forum and therefore not something a mod should do?

Again though, you get entertainment out of the suffering of others. Your pack does intimidate a significant number of people; I know because they contact me about it. I have no problem with you flaming me all you want, but when you go up against other people, harm often results.

Otherwise we would be reduced to reading your innane ramblings of how you understand the world. If you understood it half as much as you think, you would see that many people are following this thread like a damn MTV reality show!

I was the one who was calling this a circus of funny wasn't I? Of course I know. :)

[old_man_killer]

It wasn't hard in the least. The only people who misinterpretted it were people with other things against me. No one said anything until 12 did; indeed, a bunch of people supported what I said.


Another blantant misrepresentation of the truth(aka, a lie, falsehood)

1) 12 was not the first to post about your petty spelling correction, mallalubba was followed by Medemia

2) No one has said a single word in support of you spelling correction, they have voiced displeasure with us, and of those, there is a general consensus that your spelling post was assinine

[Warcow]

Another blantant misrepresentation of the truth(aka, a lie, falsehood)

1) 12 was not the first to post about your petty spelling correction, mallalubba was followed by Medemia

2) No one has said a single word in support of you spelling correction, they have voiced displeasure with us, and of those, there is a general consensus that your spelling post was

The funny thing is, thats a typo that actually sort of fits with the situation :)

*EDIT* Ass-inine :) The real spelling is asinine :p

[FryLock]

TI still don't know why you cheated, for example. Nor why you have always had such a strange undercurrent of bitterness towards me.

I am NOT going to reopen this debate here. Let me state that now. All I will say is that I've heard, from sources that greatly surprised me, just how "unbiased" your investigation into the alleged cheating became and how arbitrary your justice was. Of course, while I have my own opinions, that's not what this is primarily based upon. But I will say no more, as what's done is done.

I hold bitterness towards those who would pervert justice and authority for their own ends. You are one such person.

And as for pixel's statement...so if I say "realist is a *bleeping* *bleep* :bigsmile: " you won't take it seriously?

[old_man_killer]

Again though, you get entertainment out of the suffering of others. Your pack does intimidate a significant number of people; I know because they contact me about it. I have no problem with you flaming me all you want, but when you go up against other people, harm often results.


Yet you take no steps to defuse the situation? Funny, I don't see you telling Dan and street gang to get out of our thread, I guess they aren't part of the significant number? That has no basis in this arguement because it is unsubstantiated hearsay. If they were contacting you with such concerns, and then you come here perpetuating such a flame fest, then it contradicts your moderating, or should I say lack of moderating skills.


I would really like you to explain to me what your idea of a moderator is.

[Realist]

Another blantant misrepresentation of the truth(aka, a lie, falsehood)

1) 12 was not the first to post about your petty spelling correction, mallalubba was followed by Medemia

Both of whom basically supported me. Malla by making a lighthearted post referencing it, Medemia by agreeing that it was "eyeronic" for Moose to use complicated words he didn't know how to spell, and by explaining my position. xerent also essentially showed agreement to my point, as did 20, who posted the same spelling corrections as I did at the same time.

You know? Even Moose completely didn't overreact the way 12 did:

If I felt it relevant to look up every word that didn't either look right, or I miss-spelled. I would probably have no real life to begin with . ;)

See? Another lighthearted post; Moose even subtly mocked me a bit. Doesn't sound like the words of someone overly hurt by my spelling correction.

2) No one has said a single word in support of you spelling correction, they have voiced displeasure with us, and of those, there is a general consensus that your spelling post was

A general consensus among people who have posted in this argument, maybe, consisting of...uh...netjaks and Warcow, who, despite what Prophet might think, has highly disliked me for the last 6 months or so.

[Twelve]

Except that making sexual jokes isn't brutal. Because they are just jokes. Teasing. Flirting. No chance of taking them seriously. :) So no, it just doesn't mean you're self-deprecating.

Oh yeah? I thought mods were supposed to keep on tabs with what is said in the forums?

This thread here:

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20128

Is full of Netjakkers dissing Moose, who is a netjakker. Nothing sexual. This resulted in him temporarily leaving the clan, but once his anger passed away and we explained how we are quite blunt with one another...no prob.

So, yes, it does mean that we're self-deprecating, no where nears to your ability to put yourself down, and no where nears more harsh to others than ourselves.




You guys were practically begging me to join when I was playing on my not-so-secret grey name! :)

Riiiiight. I'm sure you have screenshots of that hanging over your pillow at night too.


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[Realist]

And as for pixel's statement...so if I say "realist is a *bleeping* *bleep* :bigsmile: " you won't take it seriously?

If you suddenly renounced netjak, admitted your cheating ways, and then said "realist is a *bleeping* *bleep*....I'd still take the "realist is a *bleep* part seriously. As I said, unlike with the pack, I can actually believe your dislike is personal, or maybe not personal, but at least real, and I doubt it has to do with me enforcing justice.

But no, I didn't take pixel's words that seriously, nor did she seem to take them very seriously. Why not read the rest of her post? :bigsmile:

[old_man_killer]

you know, I would be nicer to us, as you just stated, we seem to be the only peole that want to talk to you, for whatever reason :rolleyes:

[Twelve]

But no, I didn't take pixel's words that seriously, nor did she seem to take them very seriously. Why not read the rest of her post? :bigsmile:

As her close friend, I can assure you that you got the very light side of what she wanted to say to you, Realist. That *big smile* at the end is more of a smile of pity than anything else.

Trust me on that one.

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[Warcow]

Hehe, to put a lighter spin on things really quickly, because it's relevant, I'm conducting a small experiment right now on a grey.

The idea is as follows, as every clan tries to recruit me on my grey, record their behaviour before the offer, and after I turn them down. So far I've had nearly every major clan and some not so major ones ask me, I've had no contact with the few that haven't asked, so I'm still waiting to play someone in those clans.

The radical attitude change is quite amusing most times. As you can expect, most of the respectable clans were respectable throughout, with a few exceptions.

The funniest thing was the *jokers wild* recruiter. He was mocking me before we started, telling me how badly I was going to lose. Then after I crushed him, he started becoming my best friend, and trying to recruit me.

This stuff is pure gold!

PS, the other point of the experiment is whichever clan I think has the most class when I play their recruiter will gain my membership on Banff and Army as a grey, possibly some day as a gold.

[Moose]

xyx, go suck a lemon, it might perch up that face for ya :D.

[old_man_killer]

Oh yeah? I thought mods were supposed to keep on tabs with what is said in the forums?

This thread here:

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20128

Is full of Netjakkers dissing Moose, who is a netjakker. Nothing sexual. This resulted in him temporarily leaving the clan, but once his anger passed away and we explained how we are quite blunt with one another...no prob.

So, yes, it does mean that we're self-deprecating, no where nears to your ability to put yourself down, and no where nears more harsh to others than ourselves.





Riiiiight. I'm sure you have screenshots of that hanging over your pillow at night too.


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Twelve, quick fix the type before the forum police gigs you.

[Jeffery]

As her close friend, I can assure you that you got the very light side of what she wanted to say to you, Realist. That *big smile* at the end is more of a smile of pity than anything else.

Trust me on that one.

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But you don't understand that unRealist knows far more about everything, including Pixil, than you ever could Twelve.

[Twelve]

But you don't understand that unRealist knows far more about everything, including Pixil, than you ever could Twelve.

If Realist knows more about Pixel than I do, then I would definitely pay Realist a visit. Apparently, I live close to him too. ;)

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[Realist]

Oh yeah? I thought mods were supposed to keep on tabs with what is said in the forums?

This thread here:

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20128

Is full of Netjakkers dissing Moose, who is a netjakker.

Maybe he wasn't considered a full netjaker...or something? Until...I don't know. The mass attack on me in defense of Moose happened incredibly suddenly, I don't know how it was triggered. I've never seen any of your truly major members critizice another, though.

When Moose posted all those screenshots of me insulting him on Rev...all of which were were far worse than anything I posted in this thread about him...none of you rushed in to defend him, except Prophet. Fry even came in and sort of teased the whole idea. Was Moose not a NJer then?

Riiiiight. I'm sure you have screenshots of that hanging over your pillow at night too.

Nah, I didn't even think to take screenshots. Probably should've, it was a truly funny situation--you and your clan trying to convince Realist himself that he should join. :cool2: I do have screenshots of the golds of yours I beat to get the requests, though.

[Pixel]

As her close friend, I can assure you that you got the very light side of what she wanted to say to you, Realist. That *big smile* at the end is more of a smile of pity than anything else.

Trust me on that one.

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This is very true. See, like I said in my post Realist.. you and I do not know each other very well. I am simply going by what I have read here and in the past. I don't want to get to know you anymore than I already do. If that does happen... I'm sure my words will not be as nice as last time.

[Realist]

As her close friend, I can assure you that you got the very light side of what she wanted to say to you, Realist. That *big smile* at the end is more of a smile of pity than anything else.

Trust me on that one.

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I think she is very capable of speaking for herself if she wants to communicate that to me. All I know is that what she actually posted was very obviously not meant to be taken seriously, and the rest of you didn't even take it as such. Please don't act stupid and pretend otherwise.

[FryLock]

Oooh, a few seconds too late on that post, mr. mod. What were you saying about acting stupid? :cool:

[Realist]

This is very true. See, like I said in my post Realist.. you and I do not know each other very well. I am simply going by what I have read here and in the past. I don't want to get to know you anymore than I already do. If that does happen... I'm sure my words will not be as nice as last time.

I'm not so sure. When you're in an environment of people who always talk about stuff they dislike about me, it can't possibly produce positive thoughts. Nor can having all the posts of mine you read be attacks on your friends.

[Twelve]

Maybe he wasn't considered a full netjaker...or something? Until...I don't know. The mass attack on me in defense of Moose happened incredibly suddenly, I don't know how it was triggered. I've never seen any of your truly major members critizice another, though.

When Moose posted all those screenshots of me insulting him on Rev...all of which were were far worse than anything I posted in this thread about him...none of you rushed in to defend him, except Prophet. Fry even came in and sort of teased the whole idea. Was Moose not a NJer then?

We don't have any half-netjakkers, pal. :)

No he wasn't. But I was VERY pissed with that too. You have to understand that I posted first in this thread because I had enough of you picking on him. For awhile, I just thought it was a battle of two pompous asses. But once Moose PUBLICALLY turned around, and you continued...I simply had to call you out for being heartless.



Nah, I didn't even think to take screenshots. Probably should've, it was a truly funny situation--you and your clan trying to convince Realist himself that he should join. :cool2: I do have screenshots of the golds of yours I beat to get the requests, though.

Yep, they're over your pillow. Sad.

But hey, no doubt you have skills. I've only played you once gold vs. gold and lost.

It's just your personality sucks rocks.

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[Realist]

Oooh, a few seconds too late on that post, mr. mod. What were you saying about acting stupid? :cool:

Well, Pixel came in and said something very different than 12 suggested--and not very strongly against me whatsoever. So... ;)

[Twelve]

I think she is very capable of speaking for herself if she wants to communicate that to me. All I know is that what she actually posted was very obviously not meant to be taken seriously, and the rest of you didn't even take it as such. Please don't act stupid and pretend otherwise.

Doh! Too slow!! Man, I know her! Trust me! I've felt her wrath!

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[old_man_killer]

Well, Pixel came in and said something very different than 12 suggested--and not very strongly against me whatsoever. So... ;)

Because she is a lady with class you twit, what does she have to do call you an @$$hole before you understand? I thought you understand the world better than the rest of us? hell boy, you are having a hard time with simple sentences. :)

[Pixel]

I'm not so sure. When you're in an environment of people who always talk about stuff they dislike about me, it can't possibly produce positive thoughts. Nor can having all the posts of mine you read be attacks on your friends.

I read these forums quite a bit and I have not read one nice thing about you. It is rare to find someone that actually likes you.

[old_man_killer]

Well, Pixel came in and said something very different than 12 suggested--and not very strongly against me whatsoever. So... ;)

Realist, here this is what she really thinks:


Pixel to me, 1twelve2, Terry, Ed, tobiasdekkers ...
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Thank you. My point of the post was for him to see that me being an outsider and just hearing most of what this jerk says makes him a huge dick. He looks for trouble and uses his power to make himself seem better than he is. He sucks.

:) ;) :p :cool:

[Twelve]

:secret: That wasn't supposed to get out!!! :secret:

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[Realist]

We don't have any half-netjakkers, pal.

Yeah, but you have people you're willing to pull support from when you think it will advantage the clan, and people you'll defend practically no matter what. Using "you" in a general sense again. I've never seen any of the nj core attack each other.

You have to understand that I posted first in this thread because I had enough of you picking on him. For awhile, I just thought it was a battle of two pompous asses. But once Moose PUBLICALLY turned around, and you continued...I simply had to call you out for being heartless.

Its just...such a minor thing, couldn't you have possibly found something real? A spelling correction. :) It still makes me laugh thinking about it. NJ, famous for intimidation techniques, telling me to be kinder with the spelling corrections. You guys are REALLY fanatical about defending your own when you want to, I've got to give you that. :)

The sad thing is, I get the feeling that at least some of you are still taking this really seriously. Like it really matters. Like this wasn't some kind of elaborate joke from the start. Like you're some kind of cult. Am I mistaken here?

So you know what? I'll give you a genuine offer. Do you really want to make TAO a nicer, kinder, more welcoming place for people? Do you really want to stop people from being so cruel to each other? Then we can talk about that seriously if you want. I'll admit I'm not perfect in this area, I'm sometimes unnecessarily mean when I probably shouldn't be. Correcting Moose's spelling is not a prime example of this though, hope you'll have enough self-respect to admit this. Of course, you'd also have to accept the role of nj members in making this place the often bitter, hateful battlefield that is can be. There couldn't be any double standards.

Yep, they're over your pillow. Sad.

I don't have nearly enough wallspace to hang them all over my pillow.

[Realist]

hell boy, you are having a hard time with simple sentences. :)

That's because I'm trying to reply to all of you at the same time and you're posting so quickly! :mad:

[Realist]

I read these forums quite a bit and I have not read one nice thing about you. It is rare to find someone that actually likes you.

I suppose that perception could be gained by reading a certain selection of threads. I've never felt unliked by the majority of the forum. :) Its basically just the same group of people who keep on attacking me. Not saying that you don't gain that idea from what you see on the forum, just saying there's a lot more to it than that.

[Jeffery]

I suppose that perception could be gained by reading a certain selection of threads. I've never felt unliked by the majority of the forum. :) Its basically just the same group of people who keep on attacking me. Not saying that you don't gain that idea from what you see on the forum, just saying there's a lot more to it than that.
And those same group are the ones that speak up. Many people are also afraid to speak the truth about you in the fear of being banned.
Much the same as you saying others are scared of Netjak members slamming them.

[Realist]

And those same group are the ones that speak up.

Not true, unless you think the only people who speak up are in a select group of netjak...the same group, let me remind you, that attacked theburning in her time as active mod.

[Moose]

I don't think it's within the bounds of xyx to admit that he is wrong and that he is submitting messages more often then none to "non-intentionally bash me" even though he does that intentionally.

But besides all that xyx, all your statements of a defensive nature might have been valid if you didn't neg rep saying "I really can't stand reading anything you post".

That alone is enough.

[Twelve]

Yeah, but you have people you're willing to pull support from when you think it will advantage the clan, and people you'll defend practically no matter what. Using "you" in a general sense again. I've never seen any of the nj core attack each other.



Its just...such a minor thing, couldn't you have possibly found something real? A spelling correction. :) It still makes me laugh thinking about it. NJ, famous for intimidation techniques, telling me to be kinder with the spelling corrections. You guys are REALLY fanatical about defending your own when you want to, I've got to give you that. :)

The sad thing is, I get the feeling that at least some of you are still taking this really seriously. Like it really matters. Like this wasn't some kind of elaborate joke from the start. Like you're some kind of cult. Am I mistaken here?

So you know what? I'll give you a genuine offer. Do you really want to make TAO a nicer, kinder, more welcoming place for people? Do you really want to stop people from being so cruel to each other? Then we can talk about that seriously if you want. I'll admit I'm not perfect in this area, I'm sometimes unnecessarily mean when I probably shouldn't be. Correcting Moose's spelling is not a prime example of this though, hope you'll have enough self-respect to admit this. Of course, you'd also have to accept the role of nj members in making this place the often bitter, hateful battlefield that is can be. There couldn't be any double standards.



I don't have nearly enough wallspace to hang them all over my pillow.


Alright, look. I'm going to bed. Of course you haven't seen the netjak core attack each other...but we have. Heck, send CRX a pm right now if you want.

Realist, you've goaded us