Kanye West

[T3km4n]

Kanye West is silly.
http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/2005/09/06/kanye_west_is.html
Haha, look at Mike Meyers and Chris Tucker, I feel so bad for them.

[spirit ninja]

lol

[max2k106]

Kanye is an idiot. The guy needs to learn his facts before accusing people. Dude needs to learn to read or something . . .

[banditto]

Now lets not make any racial slurs Max. At least he can rap, sort of...

[max2k106]

Now lets not make any racial slurs Max. At least he can rap, sort of...
Where was there a racial slur in my post? I just said he's an idiot. If I call a white person an idiot, you don't go saying I hate white people.

[MallaLubba]

Kanye West is silly.
http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/2005/09/06/kanye_west_is.html
Haha, look at Mike Meyers and Chris Tucker, I feel so bad for them.
Old news. I saw the thing live as it happened. I take Kanye's side.

[KBHoleN1]

Old news. I saw the thing live as it happened. I take Kanye's side.
You take Kanye's side? So you believe that it took 5 days to help people because George Bush hates black people? Max and I had this convo in one thread, I'll link it if you like, contains a bunch of evidence on how bad the mayor of New Orleans screwed up, and how the city didn't follow procedure at all. FEMA screwed up, that I give you. George Bush appointed the head of FEMA, that I give you. George Bush is indirectly responsible for the lack of relief effort, that I give you. But to say that George Bush is a racist and lets his personel prejudices interfere with thousands of lives? That I will never give you.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20058 check it out if you want, or show me some evidence to support your opinion

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

Mmm.. propaganda

[Megabyte]

hahahaha, Meyer's held a straight face through all of it, good for him

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

I love his face at the end though, where he slowly turns to Kanye as if it to ask "Wtf are you doing?"

[MallaLubba]

You take Kanye's side? So you believe that it took 5 days to help people because George Bush hates black people? Max and I had this convo in one thread, I'll link it if you like, contains a bunch of evidence on how bad the mayor of New Orleans screwed up, and how the city didn't follow procedure at all. FEMA screwed up, that I give you. George Bush appointed the head of FEMA, that I give you. George Bush is indirectly responsible for the lack of relief effort, that I give you. But to say that George Bush is a racist and lets his personel prejudices interfere with thousands of lives? That I will never give you.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20058 check it out if you want, or show me some evidence to support your opinion
Well, first of all, let me say that there was no one in the chain that did not screw up. However, when Katrina came through here (Miami) we had an insane amount of help and we still didn't even get power back for at least up to a week. There are still many large trees and debris laying around that won't even be cleaned up for over a month they are saying. After Andrew the governments went nutzo updating the canals and flooding was still a problem for days and this was just a level 1.
Now, we have money here. Our level of poverty is not nearly the level of New Orleans area and it's still taking this long to recover. Therefore, the recovery time and help that was offered when it was offered is not my issue. The fact that Bush is a bumbling misprioritized egomaniac that would rather kill my friend in Iraq to clean up an issue his father couldn't handle than properly protect and serve my other friends at Tulane and in the Quarter makes me so violently irate, I don't know what to do.
Also, when FEMA acts slowly, OK. I'm OK with that. When they act slowly, and don't have the proper leadership (that altered emergency response guidelines) I get suspicious. When they act slowly, don't have the proper leadership, and also cause compound problems for local aid providers by acting as barriers against self help due to their blending together with Homeland Security I go off the DEEP END. Who is responsible for Homeland Security? One person.
Now, I'm not an idiot and I understand multiple points of view. Facts will vary depending on source and biases and I know it goes both ways. Anyone that is pissed at Bush is a friend of mine. I don't hate him as a person. He's probably a nice guy but because of the way he's running this country there's no wonder every other nation hates us.

[The Cheat]

Kanye is a great rapper. Nuff said about that.

Did he have a right to say what he said? Hell yes. Could it have been handled or said at a better time and place? Yes.

I agree with him. Bush sucks. End of Story.

[Cardplayer89]

I may not like Bush, but uh... he isn't solely responsible for Homeland Security. As far as him not "protecting" the people in New Orleans, it's not his fault they are too f***ing stupid to evacuate when a level 5 hurricane is coming at them. Maybe it's just me, but when the storm fills up the whole Gulf of Mexico, I think I just MIGHT be trying to get my ass out of there. As far as recovery goes, all those buildings are going to have to be torn down and rebuilt. Sewage everywhere, you can't just go through and gas those houses... it'd be cheaper to nuke it and rebuild than that.

[T3km4n]

Hahaha, you should have seen the myg0t response to this. Very different than here. But anyways, Kanye West IS an idiot, I don't know much about George Bush, but if you listen to at least 10 seconds of Kanye West talking, you can figure out he is an idiot.

[Glamdring]

That brother is all sorts of crazy.

That was neither the time nor the place to go off on an unintelligible rant, and I feel it was disrespectful to the efforts of relief organizations.

That being said, I'm sure he's a talented rapper. This has nothing to do with that though.

[T3km4n]

That brother is all sorts of crazy.

That was neither the time nor the place to go off on an unintelligible rant, and I feel it was disrespectful to the efforts of relief organizations.

That being said, I'm sure he's a talented rapper. This has nothing to do with that though.
LoL

Obi-Wan = pwnored!

[Glamdring]

nuh-uh! Obi-wan won that fight.

[T3km4n]

nuh-uh! Obi-wan won that fight.
Stop hijacking my thread a-hole.

[allstarGL]

I don't know if any of you saw the beastie boys video that kanye west in it at the end, but after I saw that I was convinced he was a moron. The video had the beastie boys running around getting chase by sasquatch and at the end they showed someone interviewing kanye west. The interviewer was like "kanye how do feel about the beastie boys being kidnapped by sasquatch" and his response was something like "really I didn't even know there was sasquatches".

[Zoticus]

Kanye West is silly.
http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/2005/09/06/kanye_west_is.html
Haha, look at Mike Meyers and Chris Tucker, I feel so bad for them.
So true, and did you see their face when he said "Bush does not like black people", I mean what fool for saying that junk. He really made the biggest dumbass of himself. :p

[green97sierra]

I may not like Bush, but uh... he isn't solely responsible for Homeland Security. As far as him not "protecting" the people in New Orleans, it's not his fault they are too f***ing stupid to evacuate when a level 5 hurricane is coming at them. Maybe it's just me, but when the storm fills up the whole Gulf of Mexico, I think I just MIGHT be trying to get my ass out of there. As far as recovery goes, all those buildings are going to have to be torn down and rebuilt. Sewage everywhere, you can't just go through and gas those houses... it'd be cheaper to nuke it and rebuild than that.
hey jackass, guess what the local goverment does when a level FIVE hurricane is on the way? it shuts the hell down. take a CLOSE look at the people who were stuck there when the hurricane hit. do they look like the people who could pack their stuff up into SUV's and hit the road? NO! they are people who DEPEND on public transportation to get from home to work. do they look like the people who could go up to a nice motel and rent a room for a couple days? NO! they are the people who WORK at the hotel. before you make a blanket statement like that, know what your talking about, asshat.

that being said, i believe it is WRONG that the local government shut down when crisis was brewing. i saw an image of a FIELD of school buses that could have been used to help shuttle people outta town. i mean at least FIFTY buses. on top of that, people complain about the police situation. the NOPD has been NOTORIOUS for corruption for a long time now. i mean shit people... only about HALF of the police workforce has reported for duty since this whole ordeal. these were people who took an oath to protect and serve the public. yes, i can understand their situation if they are with their family, blah blah blah. but damnit, I didnt take that friggin oath! thats why I am not in a public position. because I am selfish when it comes to things like that.

Also, federally, we were screwed. other people have gone into detail about FEMA, so i wont go into it. other people, myself included, have gone into GW, so i wont go into it again. it's all been said before, no sense in repeating it.

after ALL that, though, i believe it is wrong to say that bush is a racist. he could have done more, but i REFUSE to believe that ANYBODY would deliberately turn their back on something this catastrophic. like the people who said bush KNEW 9/11 was going to happen. i REFUSE to believe that the leader of this country would just let it happen to go on a tyrade through the middle east. he has, and i disagree with the tyrade, but i dont think he deliberately opened the door for it.

[Megabyte]

Did he have a right to say what he said? Hell yes.

Not really...I mean, he's volunteered to help the victims, not bitch about Bush. He embarressed himself, everyone else involved with that setup, and made the whole thing look like a joke, as everyone's focused on what he did now instead of the actual point of the whole thing.

[KBHoleN1]

Not really...I mean, he's volunteered to help the victims, not bitch about Bush. He embarressed himself, everyone else involved with that setup, and made the whole thing look like a joke, as everyone's focused on what he did now instead of the actual point of the whole thing.
bingo

Malla - I respect your opinion now that you have explained yourself, but still don't think the "he wants to fight instead of help us" is the right way to put such a thing

green - I agree completely, those 50 buses were like 300 (the pictures are in the thread I linked to earlier if you need proof), and none of them were put to use - what does the Louisianna Evacuation PLan say? You guessed it, the mayor of a city is responsible for evacuating its residents, and it specifically mentions the use of municipal and school buses for evacuees

[Cardplayer89]

that being said, i believe it is WRONG that the local government shut down when crisis was brewing. i saw an image of a FIELD of school buses that could have been used to help shuttle people outta town. i mean at least FIFTY buses. on top of that, people complain about the police situation. the NOPD has been NOTORIOUS for corruption for a long time now. i mean shit people... only about HALF of the police workforce has reported for duty since this whole ordeal. these were people who took an oath to protect and serve the public. yes, i can understand their situation if they are with their family, blah blah blah. but damnit, I didnt take that friggin oath! thats why I am not in a public position. because I am selfish when it comes to things like that.


Uh... wake up call for Sierra! This is about BUSH, dumbass. BUSH is not the local government. DERRRRRRR. Why don't you get all the facts straight before you go and rant on someone?

As far as them not evacuating, they could have done so days before hand. Days! You can WALK away from New Orleans and head due west, escaping to somewhere that ISN'T below sea level. A hurricane moves at 15 mph, a human walking moves at 3-5. So for every hour they had KNOWING the hurricane was coming, they could have been hauling their ass out of the city by foot. And if you are stupid enough to live in a city that relies on walls to stop from being 8 ft underwater and still don't have a SECURE method of evacuating, then I guess you probably deserved what you got. Even if the law does say you will be evacuated, you should never depend on anyone but yourself.

[Realist]

Is it really relevent whether Bush's actions (and inactions) derive from a specific, active hatred of black people or just because he doesn't care about anyone ourside his own socioeconomic class?

[wolf rayne {D}]

I never really have like Kanye West, his music, to just him in general. I've just always thought he was ass. Well, that proved it.

[The Cheat]

Not really...I mean, he's volunteered to help the victims, not bitch about Bush. He embarressed himself, everyone else involved with that setup, and made the whole thing look like a joke, as everyone's focused on what he did now instead of the actual point of the whole thing.


Freedom of Speech. Nuff said.

Many people could not leave the city because they were too poor. They had no means to leave.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I've learned that debating politics in here, where most are American and some of those are also good friends of mine, is not a very good idea.

What I do want to say is that Kanye is a dumbass. That was definitely NOT the right time and place nor has Kanye EVER had anything intelligent to say.

A gifted rapper? Yes. A complete and utter moron? Oh Hell yes.

[Twelve]

Kanye is an idiot. The guy needs to learn his facts before accusing people. Dude needs to learn to read or something . . .

Max, not like I've read all of your posts before.

But that was the most intelligent post I've ever seen from you.

Agreed 100%.

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[T3km4n]

Freedom of Speech. Nuff said.

Many people could not leave the city because they were too poor. They had no means to leave.
Obviously they aren't going to arrest him. We're talking ethics. And it is the mayor of the city's responsibility to evacuate them, not George Bush's.

[KBHoleN1]

Freedom of Speech. Nuff said.

Many people could not leave the city because they were too poor. They had no means to leave.
I really don't think you understand what we're talking about, and if you do you're obviously ignoring it. Your freedom of speech is one thing, and yes Kanye had the "right" to say it. What we are referring to is why he was on TV in the first place, to raise money for hurricane victims, not to debate politics. He should have put his opinions aside and focus on the goal at hand. Kanye has enough publicity to say that anytime he damn well pleases, and people would isten to him. He could have chosen a better time, hell, a funeral eulogy would have been a better place to do it than in front of millions of people helping hurricane victims.

[green97sierra]

Uh... wake up call for Sierra! This is about BUSH, dumbass. BUSH is not the local government. DERRRRRRR. Why don't you get all the facts straight before you go and rant on someone?

and i've already stated my stance on bush, and do not feel the need to repeat it. MY comment was to your statment that they should have left when they had the chance. quite simply, they COULDNT. and it IS the responsability for the local government to take care of the locals. has this caused national windfall? yes. was this a national catastrophe? no. even someone else stated it is in the new orleans doctrine that the mayor, not the president, is in charge of evacuating in the even of an emergency. and guess what? shutting down I-10 from two-way traffic to it all being outbound traffic fits the bill. what i was saying was that they could have used their other resources (i.e. that field of school buses) to help those who don't even own cars to get the hell outta dodge.

As far as them not evacuating, they could have done so days before hand. Days! You can WALK away from New Orleans and head due west, escaping to somewhere that ISN'T below sea level. A hurricane moves at 15 mph, a human walking moves at 3-5. So for every hour they had KNOWING the hurricane was coming, they could have been hauling their ass out of the city by foot. And if you are stupid enough to live in a city that relies on walls to stop from being 8 ft underwater and still don't have a SECURE method of evacuating, then I guess you probably deserved what you got. Even if the law does say you will be evacuated, you should never depend on anyone but yourself.
obviously you havent tried walking for a very very long distance with small children and elderly people now have you? that could be the dumbest comment you have ever made. thousands and thousands of people did walk, strieght into the superdome where they could find refuge. even that took them one solid day or so. how can you expect people to walk down the friggin freeway like some ho-bos and hitchhikers to get to the next town? yes YOU might have the ability to do so, but again i ask you to look at the demographic of people that were stuck there. do THEY look like the kind of people who could walk from New Orleans to houston so they could get out of the path of katrina? nope. doesnt look that way to me.

[Doctor Hes Okay]

George Bush doesn't care about black people. It's simple. There's no arguing with the truth.

[Realist]

I don't think George Bush cares much about anyone. I just don't get that sense from him. Maybe his immediate friends and family.

[Twelve]

George Bush doesn't care about black people. It's simple. There's no arguing with the truth.

No...it's more accurate to say that there's no arguing with morons.

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[Doctor Hes Okay]

No...it's more accurate to say that there's no arguing with morons.

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Anyone who thinks that Bush made it his #1 priority to go save people in New Orleans is a moron. So I suppose you're right.

[KBHoleN1]

Get your own facts straight. He ranted on me for posting how it's not Bush's fault, and guess what? IT ISN'T YOU MORON.
When did I ever say was George Bush's fault, did you see me type that anywhere. In fact, my last post in this thread contains a link to an entire thread about why it isn't George Bush's fault (I acknowledge partial responsibility, but for the sake of argument with Carplayer, I will put it this way), if you had bothered to read or understand what was going on at all.
You take Kanye's side? So you believe that it took 5 days to help people because George Bush hates black people? Max and I had this convo in one thread, I'll link it if you like, contains a bunch of evidence on how bad the mayor of New Orleans screwed up, and how the city didn't follow procedure at all. FEMA screwed up, that I give you. George Bush appointed the head of FEMA, that I give you. George Bush is indirectly responsible for the lack of relief effort, that I give you. But to say that George Bush is a racist and lets his personel prejudices interfere with thousands of lives? That I will never give you.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20058 check it out if you want, or show me some evidence to support your opinion
You posted several times in this thread, ignorant of the facts and you continue to be at a loss for them. You call other people morons for expressing their opinions, while you yourself haven't done your research on the topic. You haven't taken the two seconds it would require to actually READ the comments given to you, instead you just fire back with insults and return neg reps, based solely on your bruised ego. Welcome to the shit-list.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

I fully pity the citizens of New Orleans who could not escape the hurricane.

But as for the number of people who decided they were tough enough to withstand a category 5 hurricane in a city below sea level... They had that one coming, common sense dictates that's a really bad idea.

[green97sierra]

I fully pity the citizens of New Orleans who could not escape the hurricane.

But as for the number of people who decided they were tough enough to withstand a category 5 hurricane in a city below sea level... They had that one coming, common sense dictates that's a really bad idea.

ad daemon, that is a very SMALL percentage of the population. most of the people, when rescuers came, were MORE than willing to get the f*** outta there. and i believe that they would have done so before the hurricaine hit if someone would have been willing to help them then. i stand by my statment that there should have been more goverment help both nationally and locally long before katrina even skipped across florida the first time around. even I, a 21 yr old brat in phoenix, knew that once that SOB hit the warm waters of the gulf that things were gonna get really ugly really fast. i only prayed that it wouldnt turn streight north into the bayou. i mean, come on, if it hit ft. lauderdale or something then it wouldnt have been too big a deal. ANY part of texas wouldnt have been a big deal. the ground there is like a sponge and coulda used a good drenching. but the bayou is a SWAMP. it's land is already absorbed with water. most of that coastline is DONE and i don't think it'll ever be the same again. in order for them to even consider re-building new orleans they are going to have to re-set the actual ground that new orleans was built upon.

[Cardplayer89]

tyr getting your facts straight before you insult others - KB

My facts were straight. And I negged you because you said this INCREDIBLY stupid reason for a neg (because it is, naturally, completely untrue, and that is what negs are for).

EDIT: And I don't suppose you negged Sierra, right? I mean, he did, after all, call me an asshat for posting my opinions. That fits into the "don't call people morons for posting their opinions" quite nicely I think.

[KBHoleN1]

My facts were straight. And I negged you because you said this INCREDIBLY stupid reason for a neg (because it is, naturally, completely untrue, and that is what negs are for).

EDIT: And I don't suppose you negged Sierra, right? I mean, he did, after all, call me an asshat for posting my opinions. That fits into the "don't call people morons for posting their opinions" quite nicely I think.
He called you an asshat because you were being a dumbass. Your pm to me was the possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read. You actually believe that it is the fault of the people of New Orleans that they were caught in the hurricane? You fail to think about the thousands of people too sick, too old, or too poor to leave. Your facts a re far from straight, and I would appreciate it if you stop calling me an idiot for disagreeing with you. Just for shits and giggles, I will let everyone else read your nice message to me:
lol, glad to know the world is still full of people like you. Makes life just so much nicer knowing idiots run free.

You negged me on a post where I was returning the favor of Sierra ranting on me for posting that Bush was not responsible and that the people who got caught in the hurricane were idiots. And they are. You negged me for not having my facts straight. To the contrary, I happen to know there were buses sitting around. I also happen to know that anyone who relies on a gov't for assistance is an idiot. Apparently, YOU do not have your facts straight, as you negged me for stating what is, quite clearly, the obvious. Sorry if this insults your "intelligence," but apparently you are an egotistical hypocrit.

Oh, and as for negging you back, that is because you made an idiotic (in my opinion) statement. Which is what people neg others for. Sorry that you can't grasp the concept.
That seems like a real mature argument there. You obviously don't listen to what other people say and have already formed your own opinions about everything whether you are eductaed on them or not. So have it your way, you can think you are the smarter one if you want, some of us see you for what you are.

Oh, ans just so everyone knows, I fully explained myself to him in my return pm. He has called me an idiot and a moron for disagreeing with him, when in fact I agreed with him on most of his points, just not that part about the people in New Orleans. He negged me telling me that George Bush wasn't to blame, when that is what I have been saying for the past several days. The guy doesn't even read posts, he just flames anyone he can find. I mean, he argued with me about something I agreed with, how smart can he be? Then he turns around and calls me anidiot running free when I point it out to him. Seriously, enjoy the auto-negs for months to come, it's not often I find someone like you.

[The Cheat]

Obviously they aren't going to arrest him. We're talking ethics. And it is the mayor of the city's responsibility to evacuate them, not George Bush's.


When you have like 25,000 homeless people, no one could have gotten them out. The mayor TOLD EVERYONE TO LEAVE. The city has so many poor people, they had no means to get out. FEMA has done a really crappy job. Bush is just trying to save his ass. 2008 will be a great day when he finally gets the hell out of Washington.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

This may be a naive question, but it always bothers me:

If so many people, meaning everybody I talk to, dislikes the way Bush is handling the country, or the other little problems in society, why doesn't somebody do something?

If you look back through the US history, every time something was a major problem somebody always stepped up and made their voice heard. Civil rights, women's rights, etc.

Everybody seems to love complaining but nobody wants to be the guy sticking his neck out willing to attempt a shot at change.

[KBHoleN1]

When you have like 25,000 homeless people, no one could have gotten them out. The mayor TOLD EVERYONE TO LEAVE. The city has so many poor people, they had no means to get out. FEMA has done a really crappy job. Bush is just trying to save his ass. 2008 will be a great day when he finally gets the hell out of Washington.
I do wish you would listen to more of the arguments being presented. The mayor told them to leave after Bush had a personal conversation with him asking him to do so. New Orleans has never had a mandatory evacuation before, Bush asked for one this time because the federal government understood the extent of the storm, at least before it hit. The mayor asked his people to leave, but gave them no way to do so, as you pointed out, many are poor and can't leave. THE MAYOR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AN EVACUATION, as has been said several times already. His local government fled the city, leaving hundreds of buses unused, which could have been used to evacuate those people.

I hope you understand what I have said, because it is what I have been saying all along. Blaming Bush is taking the easy way out, which is exactly what the mayor of New Orleans did when he accused BUsh. MOST OF THE PROBLEMS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED HAD THE MAYOR EXECUTED THE LOUISIANNA EVACUATION PLAN AS IT WAS DRAWN UP. FEMA screwed up after the fact, not George Bush. Bush is responsible for appointing the head of FEMA - blame Bush for that, not for the lack of response. It is not as if Bush deliberately withheld help, the incompetence of FEMA did that. You only blame BUSH because you don't want him as president, and it is easier to do than actually look at the facts.

[Realist]

If so many people, meaning everybody I talk to, dislikes the way Bush is handling the country, or the other little problems in society, why doesn't somebody do something?

Because you live in a liberal subculture of America. There are a lot of other people ouside your social group. Many are pro-Bush.

[The Cheat]

This may be a naive question, but it always bothers me:

If so many people, meaning everybody I talk to, dislikes the way Bush is handling the country, or the other little problems in society, why doesn't somebody do something?

If you look back through the US history, every time something was a major problem somebody always stepped up and made their voice heard. Civil rights, women's rights, etc.

Everybody seems to love complaining but nobody wants to be the guy sticking his neck out willing to attempt a shot at change.


It's because the gov. controls everything. One person by their lonesome, can't make a difference. Only elected officals have power. The common citizen does not.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

That's not entirely true. Look back through history. You are right, one man does nothing. But a lot of men marching and protesting peacefully?

That's hard to ignore. It just doesn't make sense to me. So many people have their opinions on what is right and what is wrong in the way of politics, but they all refuse to act on it.

What good is complaining if nobody makes the effort to be heard.

[KBHoleN1]

It's because the gov. controls everything. One person by their lonesome, can't make a difference. Only elected officals have power. The common citizen does not.
TC, we live in a democracy. George Bush was elected, TWICE. There are many people who wanted Bush as president, hence the concept of an election, giving the common citizen the power to control the government. Just because your man didn't win, doesn't mean it is unfair. Unless Bush does something illegal, an impeachment will not occur. You can't just call bullshit when you don't get your way, other people have opinions as well, and it seems to me that you're whining because you don't like Republicans. That's just dumb.

You want to know why Bush was elected a second time? Because the best the Democrats could come up with was John Kerry. Pick a strong man to be president, he will be elected. Blame the Democrats choice for Bush serving a second term, because God knows half the country was voting for anyone but BUsh, until they saw John Kerry.

[The Cheat]

That's not entirely true. Look back through history. You are right, one man does nothing. But a lot of men marching and protesting peacefully?

That's hard to ignore. It just doesn't make sense to me. So many people have their opinions on what is right and what is wrong in the way of politics, but they all refuse to act on it.

What good is complaining if nobody makes the effort to be heard.


No it's not easy to ignore. But "the powers that be" decided if anything changes. The common man has no power. You can vote each year, but once again, one vote does nothing. Don't get me wrong, I love my country. I just believe there's a lot of problems wrong with it,

[The Cheat]

TC, we live in a democracy. George Bush was elected, TWICE. There are many people who wanted Bush as president, hence the concept of an election, giving the common citizen the power to control the government. Just because your man didn't win, doesn't mean it is unfair. Unless Bush does something illegal, an impeachment will not occur. You can't just call bullshit when you don't get your way, other people have opinions as well, and it seems to me that you're whining because you don't like Republicans. That's just dumb.

You want to know why Bush was elected a second time? Because the best the Democrats could come up with was John Kerry. Pick a strong man to be president, he will be elected. Blame the Democrats choice for Bush serving a second term, because God knows half the country was voting for anyone but BUsh, until they saw John Kerry.


I just would like to ask those voters if sending men to die is cool. For the man they elected is doing just that. I have they right to be pissed off at Republicans, that's my right. I do agree Kerry sucked. But we have no one else. Wait until 2008, when Hillary take office.


True Bush won, legally. The second time. The first time......well that's a whole another topic.

[KBHoleN1]

I just would like to ask those voters if sending men to die is cool. For the man they elected is doing just that. I have they right to be pissed off at Republicans, that's my right. I do agree Kerry sucked. But we have no one else. Wait until 2008, when Hillary take office.


True Bush won, legally. The second time. The first time......well that's a whole another topic.
Your right to be pissed off at Republicans I repsect. Your right to be against the war I respect. But it seemed you were doing it under the guise of illegality, accusing the sytem of "allowing" this to happen. At least we are on the same page now, and I respect that. I knew the "first election" thing would come up, and I don't really know what to say about that, so I will just leave it at that.

TC, did you read my last post about the mayor of New Orleans? Just because you dislike Bush doesn't mean you should overlook the mayor's gross incompetence and blame the whole thing solely on President Bush, that's taking the easy way out. There are a lot of facts on the subject that I don't think many people are aware of. I made a long thread with many of those facts (linked in articels and such) but not many people took interest. Once again, if anyone wants to see those facts, let me know, or if you want to discuss it, I am open for anything, as long as you don't call anyone not holding your opinion an idiot and a moron, like Cardplayer.

[The Cheat]

Maybe the mayor could have handled the crisis a little better this is true. But the governor of LO did not call for national guards until five days after the storm. Why? Becasue no "offical word" saying that help was needed, ever came through. Who's to blame? The mayor? The governor? The president? Take your pick. It will be talked about in the years to come.

[KBHoleN1]

Maybe the mayor could have handled the crisis a little better this is true. But the governor of LO did not call for national guards until five days after the storm. Why? Becasue no "offical word" saying that help was needed, ever came through. Who's to blame? The mayor? The governor? The president? Take your pick. It will be talked about in the years to come.
Agreed. Everyone screwed up in some way, I just love it that the mayor, who screwed up first, was the first one to pass out blame.

[The Cheat]

Agreed. Everyone screwed up in some way, I just love it that the mayor, who screwed up first, was the first one to pass out blame.



The mayor is funny. He goes on the air saying he hates Bush and wants to give him a piece of his mind. Then like a couple of hours later when Bush shows up, they smile, laugh, joke , acnd carry on like old friends. Ahh politics, what are you gonna do?

[ko71991]

Haha, I was barely even listening to Kanye, too busy laughing at Mike Meyers trying to keep a straight face. You can tell he was looking at the teleprompter and going, "Where the f*** are you getting this?!"

[The Cheat]

Haha, I was barely even listening to Kanye, too busy laughing at Mike Meyers trying to keep a straight face. You can tell he was looking at the teleprompter and going, "Where the f*** are you getting this?!"


That was very funny. Meyers was so confused! :p :cool:

[mushroom_girl]

Kanye West is so far out there. I don't like bush and I don't support his war, but I don't think in any stretch that Bush doesn't like black people. That's such a stretch I just laughed uncontrolably when I heard that. If Kanye West honestly believes that, he needs to pick up a newspaper or turn on the news at some point, because if Bush didn't like black people then he wouldn't be so into helping the hurricane victims. Poor, stupid man he is....

About the election, I saw it as voting for the lesser of two evils. I mean, some people I know didn't even vote because they didn't like either candidate. I think that Bush's war is a horrible idea, but I think he's handling it better than Kerry would have.

The mayor and the governor...where to begin. They were aware of the level 5 hurricane coming, and they had busses at their disposal to get people out. I'm sure they were aware that the holds could only prevent a level 3 hurricane from entering the city. This was not Bush's fault. He couldn't enter the city and just demand an evacuation, that's not how the government works. The governor needed to ask for him to come in to help, and he didn't. Well, look what happens when you don't do your job! Jerks.

[Twelve]

Kanye West is so far out there. I don't like bush and I don't support his war, but I don't think in any stretch that Bush doesn't like black people. That's such a stretch I just laughed uncontrolably when I heard that. If Kanye West honestly believes that, he needs to pick up a newspaper or turn on the news at some point, because if Bush didn't like black people then he wouldn't be so into helping the hurricane victims. Poor, stupid man he is....

About the election, I saw it as voting for the lesser of two evils. I mean, some people I know didn't even vote because they didn't like either candidate. I think that Bush's war is a horrible idea, but I think he's handling it better than Kerry would have.

The mayor and the governor...where to begin. They were aware of the level 5 hurricane coming, and they had busses at their disposal to get people out. I'm sure they were aware that the holds could only prevent a level 3 hurricane from entering the city. This was not Bush's fault. He couldn't enter the city and just demand an evacuation, that's not how the government works. The governor needed to ask for him to come in to help, and he didn't. Well, look what happens when you don't do your job! Jerks.

*nods head*

Very intelligent post.

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[Jeffery]

I've said it once, I've said it 193 times.

It was not an issue of race, but one of stupidity. Gee, the federal government acting stupid? Nahhhhhhh.

[nomerme]

yeah... if u like kanye west, there is a compilation series you should check out called "Euro Club Hits" --

it's pretty clear that dance music is coming back around the world -- just check the recent big American hip-hop and R&B hits which are clear rip-offs of the european dance style.....

here's the direct iTunes link to the "Euro Club Hits" series.....

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSearch.woa/wa/advancedSearchResults?albumTerm=Euro+Club+Hits+Vol +