Revolution Controller

[Aro23r]

Wow. That's really all I can say when I think about the new Nintendo Revolution. Nintendo was certainly right, the console's controller will be totally new and original. Think magic wand?

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651275p1.html

Wow.

[Hellblazer]

I'm so excited about the system ever since I saw the controller. That controller's amazing.

[tarvos 6]

i wouldnt like that controller, only because i tend to have outbursts of emotion during gameplay, and i would probably rip the cord apart, and the controller isnt everything, i would make rather have a better console than a better controller. But seeing as the only game system i have is a psp, i cant make a good judgement, but i do have friends that let me play their stuff.

tarvos 6

[speaker4thedead]

wow i would like that controller

[Jeffery]

We discussed the magical controller in another thread, and the fact that the extra controller arm has a rumble pack for the ladies.

[tarvos 6]

is the rumble pack limited to the ladies?

tarvos 6

[Jeffery]

You haven't looked closly at the joystick adampter, have you?

[tarvos 6]

no i havent looked at the adampter. i will pay more attemtion next tine.

tarvos 6

[Jeffery]

no i havent looked at the adampter. i will pay more attemtion next tine.

tarvos 6
Look at the little controller on the left, and imagine it rumbling......
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916042606169.jpg

[Megabyte]

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4319&page=2649&pp=15

:p slow on the draw Aro, slow on the draw

edit: as for the controller itself, I'll reserve judgment till I see it.

[Moose]

Hmm, I remember playing Super Mario Bros. The original on my old NES system with a rectangular shaped controller and a rectangler shapped box.

Hmm...I miss those days.

[Aro23r]

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4319&page=2649&pp=15

:p slow on the draw Aro, slow on the draw

edit: as for the controller itself, I'll reserve judgment till I see it.

I'm not a fan of that thread. I don't roll up my sleeves and dive in there often.

Tavros, it's an "adult" joke. Get it, yet?

[tarvos 6]

i wonder if the sims are gonna add a new dimension to their game to give it a more real life feel when they enter the dating aspect of the game.......... hmmmmmm........

tarvos 6

EDIT:
aro, i fully understand the joke.

[Megabyte]

I'm not a fan of that thread. I don't roll up my sleeves and dive in there often.



I know, I just post a lot of gaming info stuff, and thought it'd be spamtatious of me to post everything in a new thread. So I started puttin stuff in there. Yay for others gettin into the gaming world!!

[Jeffery]

My problem is I'm retarded. I don't know if I could get used to 2 hands doing seperate things. I like having A controller to use for both.

[ChingyDTP]

I think it looks stupid. But at least you could get the add-on to make it look like a gamecube controller.

[Megabyte]

I think it looks stupid. But at least you could get the add-on to make it look like a gamecube controller.


*hisses at the concept of more expenditures*

I want cheap, fun gaming. None of this expensive add-ons.
If the controller is no good to use on its own, that's a big point against it.

[banditto]

I still love my N64, nothing comes near it.

[Gnosis]

I dont know. The whole reason games are fun is beacause you can have an adventure and not have to move a muscle of your body past your forearm. I'm not a big fan of motion sensor video games. Too much work.

[Tama Drummer]

I think that's stupid. Then again, I shouldn't care concidering I'll probably never use one.

[Matt 34.5]

aww man... im use to geting realy good at games, then I just start playing with one hand while I eat or somthing...that controller won't let me :(
The system looks realy kewl though, and NES games are always my fav.

[Wayfaerer]

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7688/revwheel3qy.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~olsen31/Images/gun.jpg

Here's some other possible add-ons.

Smash Bros Revo is gonna own online :cool:

[green97sierra]

My problem is I'm retarded. I don't know if I could get used to 2 hands doing seperate things. I like having A controller to use for both.
damnit. of course you beat me to the punch. i have a hard enough time using my keyboard to play snes or nes games using my emulators and roms. i couldnt imagine something like this...

[ScoutBlade]

It's funny how Nintendo gamers get joy out of single joysticked shooters. Now it's even worse, southpaw style.

[T3km4n]

Controller's retarded. Game systems are retarded.

[AssassinOfLords]

Q: Can you give us an example of how it might work in a game?

A: Sure. Imagine a fishing game in which the pointer essentially becomes the fisherman's pole. Gamers simply make a casting motion to send the line flying and pull back on the pointer to tug a fish upward once it has taken the bait. In a sequel to Luigi's Mansion, the pointer might be used as a flashlight. Gamers point to the area they want to illuminate and Luigi's flashlight spotlights it. Voila. In a tennis game, the pointer becomes the racquet. Players swing the device as they would a racquet to smash tennis balls back at opponents. The list goes on and on and the options only increase when the peripheral's expansion functionality is considered.
Fishing game? Tennis game? Luigi's mansion? That's what Nintendo can come up with for their new system?

[T3km4n]

Fishing game? Tennis game? Luigi's mansion? That's what Nintendo can come up with for their new system?
That's why Nintendo sucks. All of their games are Mario *insert crappy sport*.

[Matt 34.5]

Mario 0wn, Dont Diss Mario!!

[KBHoleN1]

Fishing game? Tennis game? Luigi's mansion? That's what Nintendo can come up with for their new system?
My roommate is really big on game systems, and explained the whole thing to me. He said Nintendo is launching certain games to carry the system through its release and showcase the various talents of the new technology. Where other systems are upgrading graphics, graphics, and more graphics, Nintendo is doing what it has always done best, improving gameplay. Think about all the great N64 games, I still have them and still play them, despite the shitty graphics, because of the games themselves. Multiplayer, multilevel games that stay fun, stay new, and stay interesting, at least in my opinion.

One of the pilot games will be Smash Brothers, or so I have heard, and the way the system works will revolutionize gameplay (get the pun there?), it already has Sony and Microsoft shitting in their pants. Games that are more interactive than ever before, and that come with free, that's right FREE, add-ons, like a steering wheel for a racing game, or special "gloves" for a boxing game, that sense movements and respond like VR simulators. Nintendo is offering all this at cheaper than the other systems (around $200 for the system, around $50 for each game, including add-ons included with the appropriate game). The add-ons mean a new level of game play that is more interactive, where combos of specified movements, not combos of buttons, create the desired effect.

I think it will be very cool, and can't wait for it to come out. If you are all about graphics, then go for PS or XBox, but if you get tired of playing a game once and getting tired of it, then this is your system. Think quality of play, not quality of image.

[Jeffery]

My roommate is really big on game systems, and explained the whole thing to me. He said Nintendo is launching certain games to carry the system through its release and showcase the various talents of the new technology. Where other systems are upgrading graphics, graphics, and more graphics, Nintendo is doing what it has always done best, improving gameplay. Think about all the great N64 games, I still have them and still play them, despite the shitty graphics, because of the games themselves. Multiplayer, multilevel games that stay fun, stay new, and stay interesting, at least in my opinion.

One of the pilot games will be Smash Brothers, or so I have heard, and the way the system works will revolutionize gameplay (get the pun there?), it already has Sony and Microsoft shitting in their pants. Games that are more interactive than ever before, and that come with free, that's right FREE, add-ons, like a steering wheel for a racing game, or special "gloves" for a boxing game, that sense movements and respond like VR simulators. Nintendo is offering all this at cheaper than the other systems (around $200 for the system, around $50 for each game, including add-ons included with the appropriate game). The add-ons mean a new level of game play that is more interactive, where combos of specified movements, not combos of buttons, create the desired effect.

I think it will be very cool, and can't wait for it to come out. If you are all about graphics, then go for PS or XBox, but if you get tired of playing a game once and getting tired of it, then this is your system. Think quality of play, not quality of image.
I highly doubt the add-ons will be free. They never have been, and probably never will be.

[Aro23r]

That microphone for Mario Party was free.

[Jeffery]

That microphone for Mario Party was free.
And a microphone is hardly the equivalent of a two piece racing add-on like the steering wheel/gas pedal unit.

[Megabyte]

Nintendo hasn't released all their pricing, but so far they have about $200 worth of add ons for their system (compared to the 360's and PS3 which have over $500 worth :rolleyes: )

[KBHoleN1]

The way I understand it, the add-ons will be absorbed in the price of the game, and I don't think they are all that complicated. The steering wheel is simply a holder for the controller that allows you to "turn" like a steering wheel, with a few extra sensors I guess to detect that movement. They may cost extra, but I have read that they are supposively going to be free.

[Jeffery]

The way I understand it, the add-ons will be absorbed in the price of the game, and I don't think they are all that complicated. The steering wheel is simply a holder for the controller that allows you to "turn" like a steering wheel, with a few extra sensors I guess to detect that movement. They may cost extra, but I have read that they are supposively going to be free.
And where did you read this?

Not a single thing from Nintendo, it's developers, or even the keynote speach announcing the controllers ever meantioned them being free.

[KBHoleN1]

And where did you read this?

Not a single thing from Nintendo, it's developers, or even the keynote speach announcing the controllers ever meantioned them being free.
I truly don't remember, some gaming site probably, my roommate showed me everything he found on it. He pointed out where it mentioned free add-ons, because I thought it was pretty cool - I will have to ask him where he saw it before I can give any evidnece, sorry.

[Jeffery]

The only one I've seen that says something like that is http://www.gamepro.com/nintendo/gamecube/games/news/36591.shtml

And the free add-ons have nothing to do with Nintendo.

[Megabyte]

another add-on:

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

VG cat's artist/writer had a great article that basically sums up everything I've been ranting on against Nintendo on their site. Go there if you want to read it...
http://www.vgcats.com/

The short version...Nintendo is cool, but this control setup (and all the add-ons, which aren't "revolutionary" or remotely unuiqe ideas) is basically a customer scare off. They're not in the position to come out with risky features and ideas for the console market. They will already be last to the field for the release of their system, and they have the lowest solid fan base now after the blasting the Gamecube took.

Basically...what the hell are they thinking? When you're leader or in a strong position, THAT'S when its ok to bam out controversial feature's and setups. But when you're struggling to compete, you need to stick with what people want, and give them it. They can't tell you what you want in their setup with 2 other competitors having the jump on them.

edit: hahahaha, ok, watch the quicktime vid they have at the bottom of the artcle. Its the video ad for the controller, absolutely hilarious.

edit2: Double you fun by reading the new VG cats comic, which makes fun of the new controller...(special rep to the first person who can correctly explain the CD-1 reference and Link's presence in there ;))
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/
to understand the potatoemoto reference, read this comic:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=86

[Jeffery]

another add-on:

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

VG cat's artist/writer had a great article that basically sums up everything I've been ranting on against Nintendo on their site. Go there if you want to read it...
http://www.vgcats.com/

The short version...Nintendo is cool, but this control setup (and all the add-ons, which aren't "revolutionary" or remotely unuiqe ideas) is basically a customer scare off. They're not in the position to come out with risky features and ideas for the console market. They will already be last to the field for the release of their system, and they have the lowest solid fan base now after the blasting the Gamecube took.

Basically...what the hell are they thinking? When you're leader or in a strong position, THAT'S when its ok to bam out controversial feature's and setups. But when you're struggling to compete, you need to stick with what people want, and give them it. They can't tell you what you want in their setup with 2 other competitors having the jump on them.

edit: hahahaha, ok, watch the quicktime vid they have at the bottom of the artcle. Its the video ad for the controller, absolutely hilarious.

edit2: Double you fun by reading the new VG cats comic, which makes fun of the new controller...(special rep to the first person who can correctly explain the CD-1 reference and Link's presence in there ;))
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/
to understand the potatoemoto reference, read this comic:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=86
Megabyte, that "add-on" is a mockup put together by IGN, and in no way actually resembles what Nintendo has announced.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html
"Nintendo has not yet released official imagery of what the controller shell might look like. However, we've created a mock-up (above) based on what we know of its functionality. The real controller shell is likely to connect to the free-hand-style pointer in a very similar fashion. Please note that we realize our model is not entirely to scale, but this is the best we could do on short notice."

[AssassinOfLords]

What so I can get suckered into buying the free bongos that came with Donkey Konga? Or the free microphone with that game where you talk with Pikachu? Or the adapter thing that came with Pokemon stadium. Nintendo is just for those of a lesser age, or intelligence.

[Matt 34.5]

Nintendo is just for those of a lesser age, or intelligence.

must be why I like it. :)

Actualy, it has nothing to do with age or intelligence, Nintendo has games diffrent from other systems, more family games. If you think its more intelligent to play games where you push a key and it hit an animated character until he's dead, then I guess thats your opinion. Personaly I don't think any games have to do with intelligence, unless you get into tactics games, or puzzle games. (tetris[sp?])
If you have a problem with old school mario then you have a problem with me!
:bb: :*orc:
RawR!

[S_K_O_F]

another add-on:

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

VG cat's artist/writer had a great article that basically sums up everything I've been ranting on against Nintendo on their site. Go there if you want to read it...
http://www.vgcats.com/

The short version...Nintendo is cool, but this control setup (and all the add-ons, which aren't "revolutionary" or remotely unuiqe ideas) is basically a customer scare off. They're not in the position to come out with risky features and ideas for the console market. They will already be last to the field for the release of their system, and they have the lowest solid fan base now after the blasting the Gamecube took.

Basically...what the hell are they thinking? When you're leader or in a strong position, THAT'S when its ok to bam out controversial feature's and setups. But when you're struggling to compete, you need to stick with what people want, and give them it. They can't tell you what you want in their setup with 2 other competitors having the jump on them.

edit: hahahaha, ok, watch the quicktime vid they have at the bottom of the artcle. Its the video ad for the controller, absolutely hilarious.

edit2: Double you fun by reading the new VG cats comic, which makes fun of the new controller...(special rep to the first person who can correctly explain the CD-1 reference and Link's presence in there ;))
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/
to understand the potatoemoto reference, read this comic:
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=86


What Blast??? More Gamecubes were sold in Japan than Playstations and xbox's put together. While, not as many were sold here in the US, Nintendo broke even on that system less than 6 months after it's release. (Microsoft never did recover from the manufacturing costs of the xbox) Nintendo has been nothing but profit since then. Plus, the massive amounts of money that the Gameboy models have brought in completely erases any other "blasts." Including the loss that they took with the N64. Which, btw, was negligable.

Right now, Nintendo is riding on a big fat balance in the bank. (Last I checked it was around 12 Billion) They have never ceased bringing in profit. Americans just aren't big on the recent games from Nintendo.

The Nintendo revolution (read the articles, its in there) has one purpose. To bring in a different kind of person in to the gaming market. Sure, current gamers are going to find plenty of goodness in the new system, but those other people...the ones that don't like video games...those people may find something usefull in this new system.

I will make the prediction now that Nintendo won't be able to outsell either Xbox 360 or PS3. Those two systems have too many close minded fans that won't be willing to try something different. Fortunately, the Nintendo Revolution might actually bring me back to console gaming. I can't wait for it's unveiling.
I have never been disappointed with a nintendo system, and somehow, I doubt the revolution will be any different.

[AssassinOfLords]

The Gamecube, is one of the more stable systems and Nintendo has never ceased to have the highest quality out there. My PS2 and XBox are both broken while my GC is still cranking out Resident Evil like it was new. The problem is that the game choices are dull and limited.

I'm not dissing old school Mario, but old school Mario is just that, old. Super Mario Sunshine was a joke.

[Matt 34.5]

supermario sunshine was based on somthing stupid, but the game was much like any other supermario game. Look past the cleaning part!
I realy think they should take it back old school... throw in the boxes that you have to break and the fire power/flying power, just update it with the new graphics, and a new storyline... that'd be sweet :)

[Wayfaerer]

What Blast??? More Gamecubes were sold in Japan than Playstations and xbox's put together.
Playstations maybe, but the PS2 outsold the Cube everywhere. Dreamcast outsold the XBox during it's launch, not much competition there :laugh:

Casual nubs will love the remote and tiny stylish case, and all the peripherals could really make for some spiffy and interesting games for the intense 'hardcore' scrubs.

[mushroom_girl]

This is my favorite Nintendo controller ever:

http://www.kbtoys.com/g/vgames/big/140828.jpg

[AssassinOfLords]

I bought those thinking they might be actual bongos, or at least like an electrical guitar. Unfortunatly, hitting them just makes a dull thud, I have more fun hitting my pillow. I like the remote control idea of the controller, but to give away that many free ad-ons seems impractical. I don't have space to store it all. The controller is interesting, but it just needs to be proved practical. Which we will see when it comes out.

[Megabyte]

What Blast??? More Gamecubes were sold in Japan than Playstations and xbox's put together. While, not as many were sold here in the US, Nintendo broke even on that system less than 6 months after it's release. (Microsoft never did recover from the manufacturing costs of the xbox) Nintendo has been nothing but profit since then. Plus, the massive amounts of money that the Gameboy models have brought in completely erases any other "blasts." Including the loss that they took with the N64. Which, btw, was negligable.

Right now, Nintendo is riding on a big fat balance in the bank. (Last I checked it was around 12 Billion) They have never ceased bringing in profit. Americans just aren't big on the recent games from Nintendo.

The Nintendo revolution (read the articles, its in there) has one purpose. To bring in a different kind of person in to the gaming market. Sure, current gamers are going to find plenty of goodness in the new system, but those other people...the ones that don't like video games...those people may find something usefull in this new system.

I will make the prediction now that Nintendo won't be able to outsell either Xbox 360 or PS3. Those two systems have too many close minded fans that won't be willing to try something different. Fortunately, the Nintendo Revolution might actually bring me back to console gaming. I can't wait for it's unveiling.
I have never been disappointed with a nintendo system, and somehow, I doubt the revolution will be any different.

I'm not in Japan, and while I can appreciate the significance it has for the companies, I don't really care what sells there. Nintendo (or any of the other console makers) aren't gonna go broke, obviously, from lack of sales in one nation. However, since gaming cultures are so radically different between the various areas, its not within my reasoning to comment there. My ideas are based solely on sales and fan base in the US.

N-Gage alone should show people that profits (apparently) aren't a singular concern for the hardware makers (for now at least). I don't think it's good business, or necessarily good for the gaming industry, but its the way they seem to operate. If you're reasoning is that Nintendo made more money and that makes it ok for them...well, I have an Xbox and PS2, but wasn't willing to go out and buy a Gamecube for the 4 or so games I wanted to play on it.

How exactly is their system going to bring new gamers to the market? It's a nice fancy statment, but doesn't explain how it will done.

And the fanboy thing is EXACTLY their problem. They're killing their fanbase by being creative on this level. Gamer's (in the US at least) like a simplicity in the means to play. While I grant that the new controller is definitely a interesting integration of some past ideas, its not what I have in mind when I go to play Mario Sunshine or SMB Melee.

And don't talk Nintendo system luving to me :rolleyes: I've got every Nintendo system except the Gamecube (all the Gameboy models included) and their early CD based system. It was a sad day I decided to get the othe systems, but after getting some Live action in and playing FFXI online, I think I made the right choice.

[S_K_O_F]

I'm not in Japan, and while I can appreciate the significance it has for the companies, I don't really care what sells there. Nintendo (or any of the other console makers) aren't gonna go broke, obviously, from lack of sales in one nation. However, since gaming cultures are so radically different between the various areas, its not within my reasoning to comment there. My ideas are based solely on sales and fan base in the US.

N-Gage alone should show people that profits (apparently) aren't a singular concern for the hardware makers (for now at least). I don't think it's good business, or necessarily good for the gaming industry, but its the way they seem to operate. If you're reasoning is that Nintendo made more money and that makes it ok for them...well, I have an Xbox and PS2, but wasn't willing to go out and buy a Gamecube for the 4 or so games I wanted to play on it.

How exactly is their system going to bring new gamers to the market? It's a nice fancy statment, but doesn't explain how it will done.

And the fanboy thing is EXACTLY their problem. They're killing their fanbase by being creative on this level. Gamer's (in the US at least) like a simplicity in the means to play. While I grant that the new controller is definitely a interesting integration of some past ideas, its not what I have in mind when I go to play Mario Sunshine or SMB Melee.

And don't talk Nintendo system luving to me :rolleyes: I've got every Nintendo system except the Gamecube (all the Gameboy models included) and their early CD based system. It was a sad day I decided to get the othe systems, but after getting some Live action in and playing FFXI online, I think I made the right choice.

The point of the new controller is for it to be simpler. It will be easier to learn for beginners and more natural for the body to use. This is the plan.

[Megabyte]

The point of the new controller is for it to be simpler. It will be easier to learn for beginners and more natural for the body to use. This is the plan.

Alright, I can buy into the natural part. Plus, I'd like to actually have a shot of trying it out on the demo's that they have before I really trash it, which isn't likely to happen soon.

But sitll..multiple add on's? Better if they incorporated more into the controller. I just don't see it as having a good feel to it when I play games other than a shooter. But, as I said, gotta give it my own try before it should be completely discounted, right?

[S_K_O_F]

Alright, I can buy into the natural part. Plus, I'd like to actually have a shot of trying it out on the demo's that they have before I really trash it, which isn't likely to happen soon.

But sitll..multiple add on's? Better if they incorporated more into the controller. I just don't see it as having a good feel to it when I play games other than a shooter. But, as I said, gotta give it my own try before it should be completely discounted, right?

I am kinda skeptical about the controller...don't get me wrong. I am not singing it's praises. I just think that people should quit giving up on the only company who is trying to make video games better through gameplay and not through pixels and polygon count.
Hell...even diehard halo fans will tell you that Halo 2 is the same game, just with better graphics.

Gamers will eventually get tired of graphical ingenuity. Nintendo is preparing for the time when gameplay actually starts mattering more.

[Megabyte]

"New" Revolution News (i.e. for some reason I missed both of these things and feel like and idiot for not seeing them earlier)

Rumored Nintendo Revolution Specs:

2 G5 1.8GHZ CPUS

512K L2 Cache

1200 MHZ Front Side BUS

600MHz GPU with 12MB embedded 1T SRAM

128MB 1T SRAM MAIN MEMORY 600 MHz (L3 Cache to CPU and GPU)

256MB 400MHZ NEC design embedded DRAM

Embedded 16-BIT HD 7.1 Digital sound chip

Dedicated sound bandwidth with zero affect on CPU

6GB HD Dual Layer Panasonic Discs

When combined Rev CPUs equal 3.6 GHz.

A 3:1 balance ratio between CPU and RAM

1:1 balance ratio between GPU and RAM


These are RUMORED specs. Not the official release. Also, the rumor is several months old (from mid June), but I couldn't find anything disclaiming it, so....

Lastly...
The download's for the Revolution that would let you play the old Nintendo games via ROMs? Well..it IS happening. Their VP George Harrison released a statment some time ago about it the feature being included on the Revolution for sure, and how all 1'st party Nintendo games would be free to dl and that he encouraged 3'rd party companies to make theirs available as well.

HOWEVER, in a remarkable move to crush the spirit of Byte and his love for Nintendo...their president (whose name I am not gonna respell because its hard) said that the old game ROM downloads will NOT be free by any means. Also called it a baseless rumor (last I check, their VP wasn't a "baseless" source) and it was absolutly not true.

So, I'm gonna go cry now =/ This has seriously compromised my plan to hold out and get the Revolution when it came out.

Full article here:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3141272

edit: and as a side note, I think its laughable they're going to try and charge for these games, seeing as the massive number of fan boys out there have hundreds, if not thousands, of their games already dl'd in ROM form..

I'm sensing a outside mod for the revolution in the opening weeks of it's release which lets you play ZSNES on it if their onboard setup won't play these ROMS. (yes, I made this edit because I'm not feeling bitter)