Pro-Sports Style Tournament: Team Selection

[John Jay.]

I was quite surprised that I was pick this early. I was expecting to be the last 10. None of the leader knows my skills well enough to judge my level of skills. I only Played LonelyTylenol and Dragoen Link once, back when I just became gold. Both cases, I got slaughtered.

Anyway, I was very happy that LonelyTylenol has picked me. Since we know each other quite well (well, it depends), it will be much easier to follow his commands.

Go LonelyTylenol's team!!!!!!

[Toledo 13]

Heh... not looking good for the ol' Toledo'meister... getting late in the draft...

Reminds of when I used to play football with all the black kids... always last...(not to be racist... white people are just as good athletes as blacks.... in their own special way.)

[emerald slasher]

u'll get picked up soon trust me

[Toledo 13]

But... I'm white... lol j/k :p

[Dragoen Link]

lol...no comment :p

[Coffin Fedder]

But... I'm white... lol j/k :p
Well, Me and hatchet have no worries about that, Were NATIVE! :p

[Dragoen Link]

Not according to your avatar :rolleyes:

[Dark7]

shotty last pick

[Cliche]

Dark7 are u in? Im too lazy :p

[Dragoen Link]

Yes he's in,and your not going to be last pic k:wink2:

[Dark7]

i shot guned last pick though :confused: doesnt that mean i get picked last :huh: ?

[emerald slasher]

I'll take emerald slasher and elemental.

finally picked :cool:

[Dragoen Link]

As soon as the teams are made up,im going to make a thread for my team,so we can get a name and so we can strategies and make my rosters.:)

[Dan_F_U]

Did you ever try sending sergiy a pm about maybe getting a prize? Like winning leaders and whoever is still alive on the roster should get a prize or something. This is a giant tourney with giant names. This deserves a prize.

[Dark7]

You pose a valid point.

[Dragoen Link]

Hmm,now that's a good idea :) Maybe like a golden archer or something :rolleyes:

[Dark7]

Thas my idea!!!!!!!!!!!! A solid gold archer avy. Now how awesome would that be?

[Dragoen Link]

Too many ppl would have it tho...it wouldnt be THAT great.:dry:

[Dove]

33rd... not bad... Allstar's team... definitely not bad :cool: .

[emerald slasher]

33rd... not bad... Allstar's team... definitely not bad :cool: .

were teamates

sweet

[Dragoen Link]

:rolleyes:

[EleMENTAL]

:rolleyes:

POST WHORE

[Dragoen Link]

POST WHORE

look who's talking...

[emerald slasher]

look who's talking...
yea look whos talking :p

[Noda]

how about this for a prize, a chanty on banff...like 2 years of playing...ive thrown out more bwards,assasin,pyros, and witches than i can keep track of. and still i am yet to get that second chanty that ive always been waiting for.

yeh, that would be sweet lol. or like a gold star next to ur name on the rankings, that would be nice too.

[EleMENTAL]

yea look whos talking :p

Y@ |_00|< W|-|0$ T@|_|<I|\/G

[Mithrandir]

Glamdring told me there would be a prize if there was enough interest and participation. I think she forgot about the whole thing as she has pretty much ignored me ever since the dang tournament started. I'm tired of sending the same PM over and over. I don't feel like sending another one.

[Dan_F_U]

Teams are looking pretty good right now. A lil confused on how this is gonna be run ( game types. eliminations. random thinking :rolleyes: ) But Im in it to help my team win. Weather I get knocked out first...or last.. I will do my best to whoop some ass :mad:

[Dan_F_U]

Better idea. Look at legends. Go to ranks...scroll down and you see tourney winners (i seen wayf there :P) I say that winning team gets recognized like that. Now thats bragging rights :P

[Dragoen Link]

nything like that would be cool :)

[Mithrandir]

That's a nice idea but something tells me we're on our own when it comes to prizes. It surprises me. There are eighty freaking people in this tourney, with about another dozen that found out about it a day or two late and asked to join, with about another dozen that is too busy, with many others excited about watching it. And yet, no answer about prizes. Not even a response. I think we're on our own.

[Dan_F_U]

Well really...wats the harm in some letters on tao :P Idk this is a huge tourney. I dont think Ive ever been in one this big. Bigger then some the mods do :P Look at F_A tourney...look at this.. Y did he get double prize and not you ?

[2xfire]

If someone says they cant participate after being picked, could I be a raplacment or something?

*trying to hard to get into this*

[_Darkness_]

If someone says they cant participate after being picked, could I be a raplacment or something?

*trying to hard to get into this*
*hopes 2x and I are on the same team*

[Dove]

So far my money is on Allstar's team and LT's team. Those two are looking the most fierce to me.

[KBHoleN1]

So far my money is on Allstar's team and LT's team. Those two are looking the most fierce to me.
We're planning our strategy baby, just like Exile is I'm sure, we may not look as good, but we're gonna take this thing down. I'm gonna do everything in my power to help that too.

[Noda]

yeh, i was looking at how each team should do against eachother and i deffinetly have alot of confidence in our team.

were gunna pwn mad biddies.

[Dragoen Link]

We may not have the greatest freestylers but they'll do :) (im at work :p)

[Noda]

ehh id say we can party with anyone with our freestyling as well.

but alas DL no more tlak of how we roll, our strat has got to be between us :)

[The Exile]

OK, well first of all, Allstar's "Blockbuster" trade consisted of someone who said they would be unreliable and a reasonable freestyler for possibly my best grey and one of my best freestylers. Yeah, I'm going to give you my best players for your weaker ones... sure!

If you want to trade with me, make sure it's either even or favours me, because otherwise you're wasting your time :)

Now, for my next pick I'll go with tony887.

Edit: unfortunately I have to go now, I'll be back in a few hours.

[.Vash.]

So far my money is on Allstar's team and LT's team. Those two are looking the most fierce to me.


You know are team is going to win right? :P

[Hoolwath]

Yea, LT had a pretty good start but then... I dont know what happened. :)

[Cliche]

Hool what are u talking about, were still Cool :cool:

[Dragoen Link]

OK, well first of all, Allstar's "Blockbuster" trade consisted of someone who said they would be unreliable and a reasonable freestyler for possibly my best grey and one of my best freestylers. Yeah, I'm going to give you my best players for your weaker ones... sure!

If you want to trade with me, make sure it's either even or favours me, because otherwise you're wasting your time :)



Edit: unfortunately I have to go now, I'll be back in a few hours.

Yeah! He tryed to pull that with me too :dry:

[Cliche]

Haha, Allstar and his deal making, Let me guess, like Hool for Match Strike?

[Dragoen Link]

I can't say :rolleyes:

Mith,do you know LT's next picks ;)

[Mithrandir]

LT picks Dark7 and Darkness.

[wolf-boy]

Dark7 is pretty good, and I have never played darkness. I'd say right now, that dark7 out plays those who are left..or so I think.

[Dragoen Link]

Now its Exiled's turn isnt it ? ;)

[Cliche]

Nice Strong Pick LT just made, Dark7 AND Darkness. Well, i have most of my favorite teamates.....I just dont hope he trades me.

[wolf-boy]

Should work well,now we need exile to make his pick.

[fudo]

hey guys. whats going on? these teams are looking good. this is going to be a close tourny. can anyone fell me in with info about whats going on right now. well see u guys later.

[wolf-boy]

Jump to the front page, or just read all of the pages..not so hard to do. We're picking teams right now..read front page!

[fudo]

well i'm sorry cause i don';t have time right now cause i'm at school and i only have like 10 more min's left before i change classes.

[Cliche]

Read Fast...If u can

[wolf-boy]

Well, I could say something mean like frylock would do, but i'll just say that if you don't have time now, theres always next time. Check when you have time, if you've got school, waiting a bit won't hurt anything.

[Cliche]

Well, I could say something mean like frylock would do, but i'll just say that if you don't have time now, theres always next time. Check when you have time, if you've got school, waiting a bit won't hurt anything.

WTF are u talking about.....LOL......I hate waiting, but yeah, dont rush it, or your brain might not absord it fudo

[Dragoen Link]

Mith,do you know Exiled's pick? ;)

[Mithrandir]

Exile doesn't like giving me lists. The most he ever gave me was two. I don't know what his next one is.

Actually, I only know what one of LT's next ones will be so we'll be stuck when it becomes his turn again, unless he PMs me today.

[EleMENTAL]

23 more people

[Cliche]

Wow, this went faster than i thought it would

[Dragoen Link]

I'm staying on all day,so i hope we can finish the teams today :)

[Cliche]

Me too, but i doubt it, im just glad im picked :D

[Dragoen Link]

It's my weekend now,so i don't got to work...but my gf might come and steal me away from th comp..:dry: :p Nah it's cool if she does :rolleyes:

[Warcow]

It's my weekend now,so i don't got to work...but my gf might come and steal me away from th comp..:dry: :p Nah it's cool if she does :rolleyes:

You use the rolleyes smiley in way too many different ways. Most of the time it doesn't fit at all. :confused:

[The Exile]

My next pick is choplocker-17.

Chop, please PM me with what your strongest disciplines are, as you didn't say during your signup (out of freestyle, turtle and no-drop grey).

Same goes for Say What?.

Edit: Mithrandir, I'm interested to find out how you plan to go about the first round. Since each team will have 20 players, will there be 7 freestylers, 7 turtlers and 6 greys required, or 7-6-7, or 6-7-7? This will influence my final 5 choices, as I need to make sure my team is balanced and (as far as possible) everyone is playing their preferred style of play.

Edit edit: the following did not, as far as I am aware, let us know what their strongest style is on the signup thread. If you want to be picked, and want to play your favourite style (instead of having to turtle when you've never done it before), then post here.

Zoticus
Bobdagangsta
I beat mathews
Ironhorse123
Squidiot
-Dape-
Ghost Dragon
TA Leader
Coffin Fedder
Ghost Dragon
Weeman
Dark Skull

[Cliche]

It Oughta be interesting in how the games are arranged and played, i cant wait till this thing gets off the ground

[Mithrandir]

Edit: Mithrandir, I'm interested to find out how you plan to go about the first round. Since each team will have 20 players, will there be 7 freestylers, 7 turtlers and 6 greys required, or 7-6-7, or 6-7-7? This will influence my final 5 choices, as I need to make sure my team is balanced and (as far as possible) everyone is playing their preferred style of play.
It's specified in the rules. The first round will have 7 turtlers, 7 freestylers and 6 greys.

[The Exile]

Didn't see it. Thanks.

[allstarGL]

will the third round be divided as evenly as possible by how many players the team thats losing has. For example I play exile I have 8 people left he has 6 i sit two people out and we play 2free 2 grey and 2 turt? Is that correct?

[Mithrandir]

will the third round be divided as evenly as possible by how many players the team thats losing has. For example I play exile I have 8 people left he has 6 i sit two people out and we play 2free 2 grey and 2 turt? Is that correct?
That's exactly right allstar.

[Cliche]

Thats confusing, come again?

[Mithrandir]

If Allstar has 8 players and Exile has 6 players, Allstar must match Exile's number. So he would sit two players of his choice out.

Then it would be 6 to 6, in which case there would be two of each kind of game.

[The Exile]

And if the team with less players has a number that is not divisible by 3 remaining, what priority will each style be given? Freestyle, turtle, then grey correct?

[Mithrandir]

The priority is given to turt, then free, then grey.

[The Exile]

I see.

So your best players (ones that should reach round 3) should be more turtlers than freestylers...

*looks at list containing Wolfman, bludhoundz, and Snarr, and smiles benignly*

[Hoolwath]

Dont keep the trades quiet! Thats the funny part! Share! :mad:

[Mithrandir]

I see.

So your best players (ones that should reach round 3) should be more turtlers than freestylers...

*looks at list containing Wolfman, bludhoundz, and Snarr, and smiles benignly*
Haha. I would argue that freestylers are still more important, considering a good freestyler could freestyle every round. And only a third of the time will there be an extra turtle game.

Remember, every odd numbered round acts like round one and every even numbered round acts like round two, until there aren't enough people left, in which case it's all like round two.

So in that sense, freestyling could rule the tournament.

[Cliche]

Ok now i understand, i agree with hool, tell us the stinking trades u party poopers. :D

[The Exile]

OK. Allstar offered crx and FryLock for Say What? and tyu. I turned him down. crx and Fry are both noobs, I've beaten them both before. :D

[Mithrandir]

What do you think leaders, should we make the trade talks public? If so I'll start a new thread for it.

[allstarGL]

I see.

So your best players (ones that should reach round 3) should be more turtlers than freestylers...

*looks at list containing Wolfman, bludhoundz, and Snarr, and smiles benignly*
warcow and wack can beat them with their left hand :)

[Cliche]

Lol...The cockiness begins

[allstarGL]

What do you think leaders, should we make the trade talks public? If so I'll start a new thread for it.
no I wouldn't want anyone getting mad that I tried to trade them lol

[Mithrandir]

I am friggin' dying to see the matchups!

[The Exile]

I'm sorry, Warcow and Wack-off? They couldn't beat my turtle-masters if they had a 3-unit headstart.

Pst, I'll trade you Warcow for Snarr

[Cliche]

I feel it to Mith :p

[Mithrandir]

no I wouldn't want anyone getting mad that I tried to trade them lol
Good point.

If the leaders come to an agreement, let them PM me, then we'll make it public. All other offers will be revealed at the discretion of the leaders.

[Cliche]

Damn, just damn

[allstarGL]

Well considering Im like 4-0 with wolfman in turts I might just have to go in the turt category and take out your number 1 guy.

[Hoolwath]

no I wouldn't want anyone getting mad that I tried to trade them lol

Darn! When did I rep you?! I wanted to neg you!

We WANT TRADES!

Whos with me!

[Cliche]

I love this, Just the sense of competition between two big names makes me quiver, im with ya hool, bring the trades right on out

[The Exile]

Well considering Im like 4-0 with wolfman in turts I might just have to go in the turt category and take out your number 1 guy.
Who said that I wasn't the #1 turtle guy? :wink2:

And as far as I remember, Allstar, I beat you in our turtle match, despite you having far superior units to me going into the endgame :)

[Hoolwath]

You werent the #1 turtle guy. There.

[allstarGL]

We can rank our players however we want right? I might just put my least best guys against your best turtlers and take you out in the secound round freestyle lol. Now that I've told you you might rank your turtlers in opposite order! In any case I'll change mine around to confuse you. ITS ON

[wolf-boy]

This round thing is really confusing me. It's the only thing i dont understand.

[The Exile]

We can rank our players however we want right? I might just put my least best guys against your best turtlers and take you out in the secound round freestyle lol. Now that I've told you you might rank your turtlers in opposite order! In any case I'll change mine around to confuse you. ITS ON
And how do you know that I hadn't planned for that, and was putting my strongest guys last as well?

Or that this isn't just a bluff, and that I'm actually putting my best players first?

Or that THAT isn't just a bluff...

:)

[wolf-boy]

Very strategical...You could very well eliminate half of his team.

[Mithrandir]

Allstar's gone now but I have his next picks so if DL comes we can keep moving.

I'm going to be online on and off today though, things are pretty crazy right now.

[wolf-boy]

*waits for DL*

[Dragoen Link]

I pick The hand.

EDIT: I thik that the trades should be public so the audiance can watch.:)

[Cliche]

Damnit....Didnt mith just leave?

[Mithrandir]

Allstar takes Heavens Gate and Streetgang.

Your turn again DL.

[Dragoen Link]

Squidiot.

[Mithrandir]

Exile's turn again.

Man, we are seriously getting close to the finish line (of this stage of the tournament anyway).

Leaders, y'all ought to continue to work on negotiations and first drafts of your rosters.

Oh yes, and please PM me another number, this time between one and twenty.

[Dragoen Link]

:) i can't wait >_<

[wolf-boy]

pick 12...cuz of twelve..you know?

[Cliche]

know what?

[wolf-boy]

Nvm, you don't get it.

[The Exile]

Erm, toledo13.

I'll be back after dinner.

[Mithrandir]

And now we need to wait for LT to either PM me a list or come here and make his choices. I don't have enough of a list left to make two picks for him. :(

[wolf-boy]

Ummm, I would represent, but I don't know if he would want me to. Up to you and him.

[Cliche]

I think i have a pretty good idea of who LT wants

[Dragoen Link]

LT wont come on till like 4-5 hours from now.. :(

[wolf-boy]

Damn, I would even just pick a number for him.

[Cliche]

Yeah since the choices are so narrow, we could get a good guestimate of who hes gonna pick

[BaxVarlet]

I know a few pages back, it says that turtle rules = monkus' rules for the tourney. Now not so sound like a bad sport or anything. Is there anyway we could change the rules to make them less restrictive on turtles?

I for one have my stoney in the second row, and not in the corner? Is that such a big idea? I don't think so. I agree that we should have front-row GA's or DSM's and the like. But being too restrictive means only the few who are use to these rules have an unfair advantage, especially since they are monkus' rules, and he is in the tourney.

Perhaps a new set of rules should be written up specifically for this tourney: something along the lines of:

Turle:
Must include a Stone Golem that has the ability to stone 5 (including himself) units at the beginning of the match. He can only be in the back 2 rows.

Range units (GA, scouts, muddie ) cannot be in the first 3 rows.

DSM (and included Pyros) can not be in the first 3 rows.

Now these are all straight foward, and pretty much monkus' rules except for the fact that, it is less restrictive on the stone golem placement.

I might be the only one concerned about this, so if that's the case, i'll just shut up.

[StreetGang]

the thing that Monkus did with his rules is preserve a style of play that is always in danger of becoming a disguised rush. I know most ppl on Banff play turtle Monkus rules only, and I'm one of them, its a good way to play.

[Mithrandir]

I for one have my stoney in the second row, and not in the corner? Is that such a big idea? I don't think so.
I think that is a big deal. Like StreetGang said, we want to avoid rushes disguised as turtles. If your stoney is forward a space, that gives you an unfair advantage in a same-side game. I suggest you practice with monkus' rules.

[Warcow]

I know a few pages back, it says that turtle rules = monkus' rules for the tourney. Now not so sound like a bad sport or anything. Is there anyway we could change the rules to make them less restrictive on turtles?

I for one have my stoney in the second row, and not in the corner? Is that such a big idea? I don't think so. I agree that we should have front-row GA's or DSM's and the like. But being too restrictive means only the few who are use to these rules have an unfair advantage, especially since they are monkus' rules, and he is in the tourney.

Perhaps a new set of rules should be written up specifically for this tourney: something along the lines of:

Turle:
Must include a Stone Golem that has the ability to stone 5 (including himself) units at the beginning of the match. He can only be in the back 2 rows.

Range units (GA, scouts, muddie ) cannot be in the first 3 rows.

DSM (and included Pyros) can not be in the first 3 rows.

Now these are all straight foward, and pretty much monkus' rules except for the fact that, it is less restrictive on the stone golem placement.

I might be the only one concerned about this, so if that's the case, i'll just shut up.

Bax, having played your turtle I can say that a good deal of people would call your turtle a rush, especially if you managed to catch them on the same side. It works like a rush in every possible way too, so there is a huge grey area there. With monkus' rules it eliminates the threat of being rushed by a form like yours that is disguised as a turtle, and though it can be argued as a turtle, it really is borderline by anyone's standards.

[Hoolwath]

Yea, its a huge change.

[BaxVarlet]

Okay, I can see what you guys are saying, i'll modify my turtle till it fits into monkus' rules, but ya better still watch out, because it will still be rush-like enough.

And Warcow, I think you called it "A turtle on wheels" lol.

[tony887]

monkus rules are good and we should use them for this. i hate being rushed when im in a turtle set.

[Warcow]

Okay, I can see what you guys are saying, i'll modify my turtle till it fits into monkus' rules, but ya better still watch out, because it will still be rush-like enough.

And Warcow, I think you called it "A turtle on wheels" lol.

Yeah, I think my reasoning behind that is that it hits you before you can do anything about it, only with stoned units. It's a beast to deal with as an actual turtler, because it's just like being rushed, only instead of immediately with weaker units, it has a two turn delay with armored, nicely positioned units.

[Dragoen Link]

Hmm,is a Dragon a mobile ranged unit? because it dosent say so in HIS rules...

[BaxVarlet]

Lol DL, by monkus rules, your turtle is in no way an actual turtle. Hope you've been brushing up on your Freestyle skills. and apparently a wisp is also not a ranged unit.

[Dragoen Link]

I'm using a different turtle now,within his rules :)

[Mithrandir]

A dragon counts as a mobile ranged unit and I believe the wisp does as well.

[The Exile]

The best solution to not having to worry about what's a rush and what's a turtle?

Designate opposite sides, and then an advanced stone just means its easier to snipe at :)

[KBHoleN1]

I love how he simplifies that so well :bigsmile:

I agree with Exile.

[Noda]

well im not gunna post further on this until me and mith have come to a conlcussion with our personal discussion.

but just to point out.

i've played many a turtle with ranged units in the front row where being agressive isnt the point.

anyone wanna remember hte most old school furgy turtle EVER...furgy in front row.

big x's main turtle has knight in the front row, does that make is illigal?

the turtle rules were made for intention. period.

anywase, ill be back on this topic later if me and mith need more input.

[Mithrandir]

A knight is not a ranged unit.

I happen to like opp side games more and if you and your opponent agree to one, go for it. But I don't want to designate that everyone has to do that. It rules out a part of the game.

[Noda]

yeh

[Mithrandir]

Again, a knight is not a ranged unit. If you want it on your front row, go for it.

To everyone: if you think your turtle might be controversial, please PM me about it before the battles start.

[StreetGang]

The best solution to not having to worry about what's a rush and what's a turtle?

Designate opposite sides, and then an advanced stone just means its easier to snipe at :)

I hate when a netjaker is right about something :p

[Mithrandir]

Again, I strongly dislike the idea of designating opposite side games. I don't think that would be fair. Better to establish fair rules that keep same-side games from becoming rush games.

[Noda]

just throwing this out there.

all turtle games are rush games.

if people dont rush then the game will never happen.

even in ur guys all might opposite side games someone has to attack(or both have to attack until one gains the edge)

either way, u guys not being able to handle a fast same side rush and preferring more time to think such as in an opposite is not a good reason to have only opposite

frankly...most good people rush damn hard same side regardless of there form and same with opposite

[Mithrandir]

all turtle games are rush games.

if people dont rush then the game will never happen.

Noda, that is not a good argument. Obviously, someone has to attack. But that doesn't mean every offense is a rush. Somebody that has more time explain this to him more thoroughly please.

[StreetGang]

*streaks naked through thread*

[The Exile]

I move to make streaking a crime punishable by expulsion from the tournament...

[Cliche]

I second that motion.

[Mithrandir]

*pounds gavel* Motion passed.

Excuse me everyone while I go soak my eyes.

[Cliche]

:D Yay, Exile we just passed a new law, how exciting

[Mithrandir]

I'm about to update the turtle rules: the dragon will be an exception to the rule about mobile ranged units being on the front row.

[The Exile]

Can anyone say "first turn, same side, roasted scout"?

If they couldn't before, they can now.

[allstarGL]

Mith you messed up the numbers a bit. I have number 72 73 not 76pick :D

[Cliche]

Nice signature Allstar,that is wikid cool

[ironhorse123]

Edit edit: the following did not, as far as I am aware, let us know what their strongest style is on the signup thread. If you want to be picked, and want to play your favourite style (instead of having to turtle when you've never done it before), then post here.

Zoticus
Bobdagangsta
I beat mathews
Ironhorse123
Squidiot
-Dape-
Ghost Dragon
TA Leader
Coffin Fedder
Ghost Dragon
Weeman
Dark Skull

Sorry about that. My strong point would be freestyle.

[Noda]

yeh exiled, cause u couldnt just move the dragon and roast the scout :dry:

ifu did that the dragon wouldnt have time to be stoned, if its in front row it doesnt have time to be stoned.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Dape is a turt player and coffin fedder is all around I think :S

[ironhorse123]

Oh yeah I did read someone say that Dark7 is better then everyone that is left. I have beaten Dark7. I know it was once I just wanted to let the leaders know.

[The Exile]

Mithrandir is suggesting dragons shouldn't be classed as ranged attackers, and should be allowed on the front row. I'm against it, because it virtually kills a scout on turn one and puts the opponent on the defensive (a bad thing to be against 2 armored scouts, wisp and mud).

[StreetGang]

its really just simpler to stick to Monkus rules

*tosses 2 pennies*

[KBHoleN1]

its really just simpler to stick to Monkus rules

*tosses 2 pennies*
*catches*

I agree (woohoo, I got two pennies!)

[Dark7]

aww i shottied last pick ;)

[Squidiot!]

Zoticus
Bobdagangsta
I beat mathews
Ironhorse123
Squidiot
-Dape-
Ghost Dragon
TA Leader
Coffin Fedder
Ghost Dragon
Weeman
Dark Skull

mine is freestyle

[Dark7]

i wish dark7 could add to dark7's reputation

[Hells Dragon]

mine is freestyle

ya mine is too :p

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

ya mine is too :p

... ur not even in the tourney
ok after battlin a few frestyles and since i havent been picked yet im gonna change it to turtles

[allstarGL]

now its time to battle for the last pick in the draft!

[Lonely Tylenol]

I picked Dark7 for his freestyling, ironhorse. I don't care if you've beaten him, I'm judging people based on how I'VE fared against them.

My record with Dark7 remains 3-1-1, not counting special circumstances (tournaments). One I accidentally rushed his turtle, two was a turt vs. turt that I won, three was a freestyle game that I won with a margin of an 11 HP Knight. My only loss was Freestyle by 3 units, and my Draw was my 17 Dragon vs. his 24 GA (basically, both 1 hit from death).

I'm going to give Dark7 due credit for our freestyling games. A lot of these picks were difficult, I hope he doesn't mind being picked so late. :)

By the way--my next picks are Fallin_Demon and bobdagangsta.

EDIT: In reference to Allstar's signature... What the hell?

I mean, that is so messed up.

Why the (&#@$ did you make us the RED blob? You think we're freakin' Commies or something? Gah!

[allstarGL]

bobs gonna be mad at me for not picking him. DAMN YOU LT!

[Mithrandir]

EDIT: In reference to Allstar's signature... What the hell?

I mean, that is so messed up.

Why the (&#@$ did you make us the RED blob? You think we're freakin' Commies or something? Gah!
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that that is one of the best banners I have ever freakin' seen! I love it, love it, love it and wish I had thought of it. Brilliant.

[tarvos 6]

i hate seeing this tourny go on, i hate not being in it, even though i would be las picked and knocked out really early, i just think its such a cool tourny.

tarvos 6

[Noda]

hehe yeh, i mean some of the details are alil off :)

but man, mad props

[Mithrandir]

Noda, please defend yourself against the anti-dragon in the front row arguments. I don't want a balance issue and I will remove the dragon option if I need to.

[The Exile]

My next pick is Geico.

At this stage, I've never played any of the remaining participants, so I'm picking blind.

[ironhorse123]

I picked Dark7 for his freestyling, ironhorse. I don't care if you've beaten him, I'm judging people based on how I'VE fared against them.

I know I didn't mean he was bad. I was making a reference. I really don't care when I get picked as long as I get to play! :)

[ironhorse123]

My next pick is Geico.

At this stage, I've never played any of the remaining participants, so I'm picking blind.

Exiled I am on REv. if you want to play me and just test me out... :cool:

[allstarGL]

My next pick is Geico.

At this stage, I've never played any of the remaining participants, so I'm picking blind.
THAT SUCKS!! You blindly choose my next choice! I hate you soo much.

[Mithrandir]

THAT SUCKS!! You blindly choose my next choice! I hate you soo much.
Sounds like Exile stumbled onto something good. :cool:

[The Exile]

No, Geico was the last player on the list I HAVE played. :)

[Cliche]

whos left....Too lazy :p

[Lonely Tylenol]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that that is one of the best banners I have ever freakin' seen! I love it, love it, love it and wish I had thought of it. Brilliant.

I love his banner too, there is absolutely nothing better than classic games theme... The only idea I had for that was Donkey Kong (the classic 1980 game), and that one was way over my head--I couldn't have done anything like that.

But...

RED?

Oh well...

At least I'm not pink like *JW*. Poor guys.

I haven't played many of the rest of these players either. This is going to be tough.

[Noda]

gah, i was hoping that i wouldnt need to defend the dragon thing after id made my point clear and obvious to both u and snarr.

if i explain it in detail i will end up giving away the setup.

but if u want i suppose i can. although i think first, exiled should give a good explanation as to why an lward can be in the first row if a dragon cant be

if ur arguing dragon shouldnt be in front because then dragon doesnt need to move...lward never needs to move to deal the damage 3 units infront; lward does more damage though.

if ur arguing because dragin can move to hit guys...well he can do this from anywhere, but heres the real question. why wouldu mind this? if they are doing this then they have not set up there scouts and muddies in a reasonable position to deal with furgy, frosty, and wisp.

if ur arguing that a unit upfront changes the "form" of turtle to one for offence then knights should not be allowed either since they have a range of three and can first turn reduce a scout to 20. this is not even recognizing that all turtles need offence, this isnt a default grey tourney is it?

obviously what ur saying is that the rest of the form is made to quick attack following the dragon attack and here is where my specific form goes agaisnt everythign that this is. since it is purely defensive using the dragon as a wall(like lward or knight)

if u can give a well thought out and reasonable answer to my questions then i suppose i will give my form and show just how rediculous u are.

although i would prefer not need ing to do this...since then i would have a disadvantage for no reason than people not knowing how to play well.

[The Exile]

but if u want i suppose i can. although i think first, exiled should give a good explanation as to why an lward can be in the first row if a dragon cant be. if ur arguing dragon shouldnt be in front because then dragon doesnt need to move...lward never needs to move to deal the damage 3 units infront; lward does more damage though.
LWs cannot hit scouts if the scouts are, as they have to be according to monkus rules, in the back rows.

if ur arguing because dragin can move to hit guys...well he can do this from anywhere, but heres the real question. why wouldu mind this? if they are doing this then they have not set up there scouts and muddies in a reasonable position to deal with furgy, frosty, and wisp.
Dragon cannot hit the unarmored scouts if he is classed as a ranged unit and has to be placed in the rear ranks.

if ur arguing that a unit upfront changes the "form" of turtle to one for offence then knights should not be allowed either since they have a range of three and can first turn reduce a scout to 20. this is not even recognizing that all turtles need offence, this isnt a default grey tourney is it?
Knights would need a front hit to do this, and they can be blocked off by a knight wall or shrubs. Dragons can't. They are a sure-fire 26 damage to an unarmored scout at the start of a same-side battle. Lose a scout in a turtle game and you're crippled.

obviously what ur saying is that the rest of the form is made to quick attack following the dragon attack and here is where my specific form goes agaisnt everythign that this is. since it is purely defensive using the dragon as a wall(like lward or knight)
Just because you use it defensively, it doesn't mean other people won't use it offensively.

Here's an example of a perfectly good turtle form:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5162/turt2xv.jpg

This could have either scout reduced to 14 HP by a front-row dragon if it gets second turn. You are then trying to stone, trying to heal your scout, trying to kill the dragon AND trying to maintain your stone focus right from the start. It's impossible.

LWs could only hit the knight, so they're allowed. Knights could only hit the dragon, knight or furgy, which is perfectly fair. Dragons could pick any one of those front units to do 28 unblockable damage to.

[speaker4thedead]

Nice signature Allstar,that is wikid cool
hes location is better

[Forest_Archer]

Will someone play me at turtles and tell me if I play legally? I honestly don't want to read like a whole page of turtle rules, however, nice job monkus.

[Dan_F_U]

I love his banner too, there is absolutely nothing better than classic games theme... The only idea I had for that was Donkey Kong (the classic 1980 game), and that one was way over my head--I couldn't have done anything like that.

But...

RED?

Oh well...

At least I'm not pink like *JW*. Poor guys.

I haven't played many of the rest of these players either. This is going to be tough.

Just cuz Im poor doesnt mean you need to make fun of me...(senses im gettn traded)

[Mithrandir]

FA, send me a screenshot of your turtle. We have the rules settled on with the exception of the dragon thing, which we're working on.

[KBHoleN1]

Forest, your turt is completely legal by my standards, and I believe my standards match with monkus' rules quite well. Does anyone knwo what has been said about multiple front row knights? I plyed Frost Boy on Rev and faced a sameside turt with 2 knights on front row and one staggered to the side on the second row. It turned into a rush, and my single knight up front couldn't stop them from entering my half of the board, game ended rather quickly as a result, although it took him a while to finish me off.

[The Exile]

Well I have to go. I will be on until this time again tomorrow, hopefully. Maybe DL can come on a bit earlier and we can get the picking finished.

Mithrandir, I still can't send you a list. I'm going off my instincts now, and you can't write instincts into a list. :)

Edit: KB, the problem with multiple knights on the front row is solved by... guess what?

That's right, SPECIFY OPPOSITE SIDES. :)

[Mithrandir]

Well I have to go. I will be on until this time again tomorrow, hopefully. Maybe DL can come on a bit earlier and we can get the picking finished.

Mithrandir, I still can't send you a list. I'm going off my instincts now, and you can't write instincts into a list. :)

UGH! DL is going to come on any time I just know it. We have 12 freaking people left! Man we are so close.

[Forest_Archer]

I can't take s/s oon this comp.. can anyone take a s/s of my turtle for me? It has a DT on the front lines.. *eek*

[Mithrandir]

If it has a DT on the front row, it may not be allowed. We haven't decided yet. I need to see more arguments. I know I don't want to have to specify opp sides.

[Noda]

well, for reasons i cant say without giving away my form...ur thoughts do not apply to mine at all...hmmm

perhaps mith should have a post saying which ones that are border line are ok?

although since we brought it up it cant be ananoumous since everyone will know.

also is that last turtle ur showing good or bad? cause if its bad then what would u put in top of turtle? an lward...everything else is mobile.

if ur saying its good...well how about this, move the stone up to the corner(as is legal in monkus's rules) but have same setup and boom, that guy can hit either scout first turn no matter what...thus nullifying ur argument. (since ur saying its in the fact that the dragon moves that makes the lward alright yet not the dragon)

truthfully, i cant see anyway that a dragon front row can be abused without the player wasting a dragon expecailly for my form...

[Hoolwath]

All I would say is: Monky Rulz all the way (hint hint)

[Mithrandir]

Ugh, this whole thing is a big pain.

Would everyone be okay with saying the dragon front row thing is okay if the user tells his opponent and gives him the option of an opp side game? I don't want to fully rule out same side games but in this case I think that would be fair.

Opinions?

[speaker4thedead]

If it has a DT on the front row, it may not be allowed. We haven't decided yet. I need to see more arguments. I know I don't want to have to specify opp sides.
a tyrant on the front lines you mean like witch burn front line or at the front of the setup?

[Mithrandir]

a turtle on the front lines you mean like witch burn front line or at the front of the setup?
Anywhere on the front row, as in the closest you can put a unit to the middle of the arena. This of course only would apply to the dragon situation.

[Cliche]

Dragon in front row is good with me, considering my form is frontline Dragon, i dont see any problems with it

[|DMD| (Geico)]

This is DMD... I play on Geico... and I decided to get an account! I see I am on Exile's team... anyone wanna play me on REv, I'm there...

[Mithrandir]

I'm leaning towards allowing dragons on the front line on the condition that you have to tell your opponent about it before the game and give them the option of an opp side game.

[apollo7]

Okay, so far the arguement has been restricted to using a Scout as an example, let's not forget the other units such as: Wisps, Furgons, Clerics, and Mud Golems. All of these taking a un-stoned shot from a Dragon cripples them greatly.

I know whenever I'm playing someone using a front-row Dragon I can already plan on him going for my Furgon. After that it's either I go for the Dragon and sack my Furgon or pull back and have a Dragon sitting there threatening everything else.

As far as Wisps go, if a Dragon hits it un-stoned there's no saving it, one Scout shot and it's dead. Same with Mud Golems, it a Dragon hits then you not only have a crippled range unit forcing you to play defense until it's stoned/healed but you also having a sitting duck as a Golem for 3 turns.

Clerics, easily one of the most important units in the game, stick a dragon in the front row and you either have to wait until it attacks another unit or have one unit sitting in front of your Cleric the whole game. Now I don't know about you but I don't like playing one unit down from the get-go because someone likes watching their Dragon burp out the carbonation from its' coke.

Obviously I don't want to have a Dragon right in my face from the start of the game, so Mith, change the rule back man. ;)

[Toledo 13]

Front line is fine if it's agreed before hand

[Cliche]

Yeah really, if u want it to be Considered "Fair" to you, use a frontline dragon as well, i mean, i just had a game today with my friend and he did just fine, almost got me at the end, and he had no Dragon and i had mine frontline, just find a way around it or deal with it.

[22woger22]

Yeah really, if u want it to be Considered "Fair" to you, use a frontline dragon as well, i mean, i just had a game today with my friend and he did just fine, almost got me at the end, and he had no Dragon and i had mine frontline, just find a way around it or deal with it.
Maybe your friend is more skillful than you?

:)

-22-

[Cliche]

Well, i doubt that, but think what u may, i mean, i know dragon is a very powerful unit, but, a dragon is after all a 2 unit unit, 2 knights, no furgon, and at endgame if its two knights vs dragon and cleric *hypothetically* those two knights would wreck that dragon.

[Dan_F_U]

Y not restrict the front row to LW and Knights only?

[Cliche]

Becuase, frontline dragon is in alot of peoples forms, and theres nothing wrong with a good debate, i agree with Dragon in front row, theres nothing wrong with it, because, if a dragon is on front row with one form, then the other person can have a front line dragon, so technically there is no disadvantage and its really not much like a rush.

[apollo7]

The only problem is if that person doesn't have a front line Dragon, a Dragon is like having a scout sitting right up in front lined up with your cleric. It's a threat just being there, you don't have any way to counter it if it gets first turn, kind of like a Golem Ambusher going for a cleric kill.

[Cliche]

The only problem is if that person doesn't have a front line Dragon, a Dragon is like having a scout sitting right up in front lined up with your cleric. It's a threat just being there, you don't have any way to counter it if it gets first turn, kind of like a Golem Ambusher going for a cleric kill.

But whos gonna leave a turtle open to a first turn cleric kill with a dragon, i mean turtle is defensive and defensive isnt leaving your cleric open to a dragon kill first turn.

[apollo7]

Clerics, easily one of the most important units in the game, stick a dragon in the front row and you either have to wait until it attacks another unit or have one unit sitting in front of your Cleric the whole game. Now I don't know about you but I don't like playing one unit down from the get-go because someone likes watching their Dragon burp out the carbonation from its' coke.

Read much? :rolleyes:

[Cliche]

Didnt read that post, sorry bout that, lol, i do read, ALOT, so i dont know how i missed that, but seriously, id be worrying about the two scouts killing my cleric rather than worrying about the dragon (note that a frontline dragon is obviously unstoned) and muddy will scramble to get to dragons rescue if were playing monkus rules, kill that dragon, 2 units down.

[apollo7]

Yeah, killing a Dragon endgame is a cinch, throw another 3-5 attacking units rushing in and it's not as easy. A Dragon takes at least three turns to kill, noone has that much time to waste in the beginning of a same side turtle game.

[Cliche]

I know this, but weaken all his advancing units (if possible), making him retreat, and pick him off (if possible).

[apollo7]

And while you're doing that you have a Dragon sitting there untouched, passing the turns. See the catch22?

[Cliche]

22, yes i see the catch, but i mean, make that dragon retreat as well, i dont think it would be that hard to do, ill try something tho, and if it works, ill continue this "heated" debate, but if not, ill agree with your conclusion.

[apollo7]

You can't, think about it, the Dragon has 3 turn recovery, if there are at least 3 other attacking units then it will take at least one shot to each to merit a retreat, once you hit all of those units the only thing your opponent would have to do is attack with the Dragon ,then heal, and then continue the cycle.

[Cliche]

But when they retreat, then its your turn to advance, both of u have turtles, one shell has to crack sooner or later. And if you really feel the need, use a turtle with a frontline DT, simple as that.

[Toledo 13]

Apollo... IF they use a frontline DT, it means they have to tell you before hand and offer a diff side game. Meaning:

A. You can do the diff side turt, and pick off that dragon easy.
B. Same side, slap in a LW and some knights and mr dragon is dead fast.

[StreetGang]

I have a solution for this whole problem that everyone is sure to agree on... but I can't find two more pennies anywhere. :rolleyes:

[Cliche]

Apollo... IF they use a frontline DT, it means they have to tell you before hand and offer a diff side game. Meaning:

A. You can do the diff side turt, and pick off that dragon easy.
B. Same side, slap in a LW and some knights and mr dragon is dead fast.

Exactly my point, thanks for the Words toledo.

[Dark7]

wow this isnt such a big deal... flip a coin for all i care(just as streetgang said)

[apollo7]

Yeah, why not just tell you that I have my Knights perfectly lined up for a Dragon Speaker shot too? Or that I have my Wisp in the front for easy Scout shots? See the point? It takes away all the strategy knowing that they have a Dragon there.

[Toledo 13]

wow this isnt such a big deal... flip a coin for all i care(just as streetgang said)

^^^^^^^^

obviously not a turtler...

[Cliche]

Yeah, his logic of Front line DT is a little....Odd

[ricardu]

Wow. I Beat Mathews is getting to much turns to be picked, he is a great player, i though he was going to be picked on one of the first lists.

[Cliche]

I Agree, ive played him before, hes a quality player, weird .

[Lonely Tylenol]

GAH! QUICK! EDIT THAT!

Keep it within the team... :p

Actually, don't bother editing it. Hehehe.

[zzzaacckk]

he really isnt that good... ive played him before...

[Dragoen Link]

I pick >C H A l N

[Mithrandir]

allstar takes ironhorse and zoticus.

[Dragoen Link]

Ghosts Dragon.

[Cliche]

whos next?

[Dragoen Link]

Exiled...

[Cliche]

So thats prolly it for tonight, 9 more people, man, it went fast, 6 days aint too bad.

[ironhorse123]

allstar takes ironhorse

YAY!!! :)

[Cliche]

Yay!!! Rep Me A Shiny Green One IronHorse, LOL :D

[Dragoen Link]

I was gonna pick next >_<

[Mithrandir]

I have all of DL's and LT's votes now, so if we can just get me, allstar and exile all on we can finish this dang thing.

Again, y'all should take advantage of this opportunity to start negotiations.

And Allstar and LT, again, PM me a number between 1 and 20.

[apollo7]

Well what's going to happen with the frontline Dragon?

[Mithrandir]

I was hoping if I ignored it for a while the whole problem would just go away. :)

Seriously though, I think I'm going to allow frontline dragons only if players that use them tell their opponents and give them an opp side game if they want one. Players always have the option of designating a game but if you have a frontline dragon, giving your opponent the option is mandatory.

I'm pretty sure that will be the compromise.

[ironhorse123]

Yay!!! Rep Me A Shiny Green One IronHorse
You want me to rep you?

[zzzaacckk]

DL bad pick i think..... take speaker next or someone good :/

[Cliche]

You want me to rep you?

A big green one, lol, not red

[Mithrandir]

Hey, I just realized I have enough of Allstar's picks to finish him off too.

If Exile and I can get on at the same time tomorrow, we can finish the draft.

[ironhorse123]

A big green one, lol, not red

Sorry, when people ask for rep I don't give it to them! :dry:

YAY the draft is almost done! :)

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

ya since im not picked yet i change mine to gold turtle

[choplocker-17]

Is there gonna be a prize to the winning team like a golem or something?

[Mithrandir]

Is there gonna be a prize to the winning team like a golem or something?
That depends on what the mods decide. It's possible. There's a thread in the suggestions forum about prize ideas. One idea was being able to name one of your units. For instance, I could name my scout Legolas so when a cursor is over it, it says Legolas instead of Scout (though the stats would be the same). Primarily I'd like the winning leader to get a prize but I'd also love for the members of his team to get something smaller, like getting to rename a unit. Though I think only members of the winning team that won at least one battle should get a prize. A little harsh maybe but I don't think it would be right to give someone a prize that they didn't need to work for.

[choplocker-17]

Dude sweet I'd name my night billy.

[Cliche]

I'd name my furgon Lucile

[choplocker-17]

No name my cleric, the pope :p

[CRX687]

I'm naming my busher "god" :cool:

I can hear the turtlers now... "that's not fair! you have god!"

[choplocker-17]

3 words LOL

[wolf-boy]

That would be one kick ass thing, i'd actually prefer the unit renaming to any unit. wow, that was really good.

[22woger22]

3 words LOL
You mean letters ....

And crx, that wouldn't be good. People would say they just killed a God :D.

Plus it's blasphemous :). Using a giant rock as god.

-22-

[Cliche]

I want to name My Scout, John Wayne

[Dove]

My Dragon would be Bruce. Rock on.

Great ideas... now I just have to win a game. Luckily, I found out today that my grey skills are still somewhat decent, and I've been using a freestyle rush recently, so hopefully I can take care of a few :cool: .

Allstar's team shall prevail!