Pro-Sports Style Tournament: Team Selection

[Hoolwath]

I am proud of you DL, cause of the trade. Keep it.

[Dragoen Link]

Well....now i have 1 clan team member that agrees with what i did....unless hes not serious ;)

[The Exile]

It doesn't really matter if LT isn't here at the moment, because I'm too busy to spend much time on it either currently. I'm very busy until Saturday, and I'll probably still be quite busy over the weekend too.

However, most of the organisation I have to get done is almost finished. I'm just waiting for my team to agree with some things first.

[Kill Dragoon]

Oh no...wait I forgot my color chart? Was the blue pill cyanide or the red pill? Crud where's that bunny rabbit I'm following...LT's team will win cause I took both pills so I'm a supercharged death machine like the Assassin on crack...just wait 'till I hit 4 HP...

[Mithrandir]

Reminder for the leaders: trade deadline is tomorrow night. I want to be able to post the matchups on Saturday morning if possible.

Dude, this thread has 67 freaking pages.

[allstarGL]

and 1007 posts.. We need some prizes. Mith what did you think about the awards ideas. Offensive POY Dfense POY Special teams POY MVP and Coach OY?

[Mithrandir]

I told you I liked the idea but couldn't confirm anything. I expect there will be something like that (though probably with different names) whether or not the mods agree to allow prizes.

[allstarGL]

Did you like the idea of the most rush wins most turt wins grey etc... we don't really need prizes to name someone The mvp or coach of the year etc.. they would be nice but it is still doable without them.

[Mithrandir]

Well I think when choosing winners I'd be a bit more subjective than that. Four wins against top rushers would be better than five against weaker players, but we'd have to look at individual situations to judge them. Coach of the year would be easy enough, whoever's team wins has the best coach, or rather the coach that did the best all around job. I would also want some kind of minor award to recognize all the players on the winning team that won at least one match. I'd also want a jack-of-all trades type award for players that did well in multiple categories. But we're months from needing to worry about it.

[2xfire]

Mith I got your PM but never responed to be in this.......
Errrr, so when do yall plan on starting this thing up?

[allstarGL]

OK I have my rosters ranked and in to you.

[Match Strike]

Any chance we could see those rankings allstar? The team I mean.

[imagination]

i think he sent it to us match but it was kinda hard to figure out.

[x-useme]

I predict that DL's team (Unique Gangstas) will win. We got great JW players, plus DL (number 1 in GL)

[KBHoleN1]

I predict that DL's team (Unique Gangstas) will win. We got great JW players, plus DL (number 1 in GL)
I hate to say this, but Joker's Wild players, no matter how good, have very little respect on these boards. The mere mention of JW players, whether they are on my team or not, makes me cringe, because of the morals and practices of your clan. How can you guys not see that?

[The Exile]

I predict that DL's team (Unique Gangstas) will win. We got great JW players, plus DL (number 1 in GL)
I think we're going to beat you, and strangely enough, for exactly the same reasons...

[bludhoundz]

I think we're going to beat you, and strangely enough, for exactly the same reasons...

DL..you just CALLED OUT!

[Mithrandir]

Mith I got your PM but never responed to be in this.......
Errrr, so when do yall plan on starting this thing up?
It will start up very soon, hopefully.

LEADERS! Please do not make allstar's mistake. Remember, rank ALL the players in EVERY category.

[BaxVarlet]

LEADERS! Please do not make allstar's mistake.

Trading me? yeah, I can see where that's a big mistake. Cause the Unique Gangstas (Aka Nude Breakdancers) are gonna dominate in this tourney.

[Mithrandir]

I still say y'all should have gone with The Nasty Butlers. That would be such an awesome team name.

[Dragoen Link]

;)...I liked "Devine Immortals"

[Noda]

well i had wanted

"biddies r' us" but i didnt say it in time lol

oh and x-useme, ur right about that were going to win...i mean were the shit

but u forgot about all the SI(or were SI when i picked them) peeps...and galaxy...hes just weird though :)

[Dragoen Link]

Well Mith, I sent you my rosters and the rankings in each category :)

[Mithrandir]

You didn't rank them all. I need a list of all 20 players ranked in each category. I want to see all 20 names three times each.

[Dragoen Link]

Okay,now i think i did....;) Sent.

[allstarGL]

You didn't rank them all. I need a list of all 20 players ranked in each category. I want to see all 20 names three times each.
I don't see the point in this.... I dont want you making assumptions on what my rankings will be for the rounds after the first or who will be playing in the next rounds. Its all circumstantial so I don't want to rank my players like that. I will send In my roster every round with who I want playing in each division and in what ranking according to match ups and activity.

[Warcow]

I'm definitely with Allstar here Mith, what you're talking about is kind of like giving away the playbook.

It needs to be secretive, it needs to be in house, and it needs to be difficult to predict.

If you told the opposing defense what plays you were going to run in what order, and they built a line specifically designed to counter it, what is the point of the game?

You want big players taking out little ones, you want variation. That way, when clashes of the titans DO occur, they are WAY more exciting.

[Mithrandir]

My word I'm sick of saying the same stinkin' thing over and over. Fair warning, I have had an incredibly bad day so I am particularly irritable right now.

Next tournament whoever runs it can do it however they want. I see merit in doing it in different ways. But selections were made based on the way it was set up and it is too late to change it to anything else, unless all the leaders are okay with the same alternative. If all the leaders agree on something, I'll look at it. Otherwise, changing the method isn't even an option.

If you want to make a change for the betterment of the tournament, I do appreciate that. But instead of saying the same thing over and over, PM the other leaders and have everyone come to an agreement. Until then, nothing can change. I will not change the rules of the tournament now that it has already started unless everyone is okay with that. It would be very wrong of me to do otherwise. Get all the leaders to agree, that is the only way anything can change.

[allstarGL]

arrg... Now my whole stratagy is just messed right up...

[allstarGL]

Well Im tottaly screwed over I will try to make 3 list of 20 for you by tonight but Im not sure if I can I have to go to a football game. Also the list I sent you already is whereI want the people to play in the first round...

[Mithrandir]

I am quite serious when I say this: I am very open to changing things if you can get the other leaders to agree. But they do have the right to veto a change.

[allstarGL]

naw things are fine it's just giving me a headache trying to rank the players trying not to put anyone ahead or lower then I have them in the list I gave you already! Im just so screwed over.

[Noda]

allstar, u are not the only team messed up by this, so dont worry, ur not the only one with a disadvantage...i know we had to redo everything multiple times do to this and other things

[allstarGL]

I;m about to explode!!! It's F***ing HARD!!!!!!!!

[Mithrandir]

The hardest part about it is that you can't change it so you can't make mistakes. I think I'd be okay with ignoring the rankings thing and having leaders send rosters every round at a time, if all the leaders are okay with that.

[allstarGL]

The hardest part about it is that you can't change it so you can't make mistakes. I think I'd be okay with ignoring the rankings thing and having leaders send rosters every round at a time, if all the leaders are okay with that.
alright Im down for that. Lets see what the other 3 have to say...

If any of them say no I will have the FULL 20 person rankings into you tomorro is that ok?

[Mithrandir]

You can send it tomorrow but early tomorrow would really be nice. I'd love to be able to post the matchups early tomorrow so the fighting can commence on the weekend, when lots of people can play. Otherwise it would be like delaying it another week.

[allstarGL]

Well if the other leaders have any smarts to them they will want the rule change so I wont have to worry about it. :p

[The Exile]

I'm actually pleased with that. I've made the same mistake (did you even tell us to rank every player for every discipline?).

I have each of my players ranked in one discipline only. That has been agreed on by almost everyone in my team, and I will send them tomorrow morning when the final confirmations are in. If you want full rosters for every discipline for every player, give me another 4-5 days to write them and get them confirmed.

I think all 4 leaders were actually going off the assumption that the roster for each round would be written after the previous round had been finished. I know I was. It makes it easier, because you can take out people who were eliminated in the rounds before, and rebalance your team.

[allstarGL]

Ok sweet now only DL and LT need to confirm this rule *change*

[The Exile]

Didn't DL original prefer that idea before Mithrandir told him to send a full roster?

And is LT even interested in this any more? :confused:

[allstarGL]

Yea I'm pretty sure DL wants it to be like this. I have no idea whats been up with LT he's the only one I could see vetoing this but we prolly won't find out for a while seeing as he never posts here much.

[Fallin_Demon]

Are yall saying that we might be able to play this weekend? thats flippin awsome, cant wait, the only prob is i havent had a chance to talk to my leader yet!! :( I guess he knows what i am good at and has already put me in a roster.

[Lonely Tylenol]

I'm terribly sorry guys. Between this, the CAU committee, playing TAO, and my clan, all four have been suffering considerably, considering the attention I have recently put into my vacation, work (yeah, right), taking care of the house, among other things. This thread was moving forward so rapidly that I couldn't keep up, and thus I have been pretty far behind on the tourney-based issues for awhile now. (Additionally, I still have to update the CAU committee thread.)

Allstar PMed me about an issue that you guys needed my say on... Give me a little while to read up and I will edit this post with my response when I'm done.

For the record, I already have my roster completed, although I must say that after playing a few members in my team, I did have to change my roster around quite a bit. The final thing came out last night. Unless bobdagangsta or I Beat Mathews can exceed expectations in a separate department, I will have it sent to Mith shortly.

EDIT: All right, first of all:

I haven't either. I remember offering him some trades a while back and I still haven't gotten a reply. He must be dead :roleseyes:

I didn't abstain from replying because I died off. I abstained because the trade offer was so horribly disadvantageous for me that it wasn't even worth negotiating. :p

Secondly, I believe the teams should be paired randomly. As it is, rosters will not be disclosed until after the teams are selected anyway, so there goes the argument of knowing what you're up against... This simply adds another dimension to the element of the unknown, and forces you to play a well-rounded team instead of pushing all your money into one field that you know your opponent might contest you on.

If you have a predetermined player roster, you have to be able to play every aspect of the tournament in a way that prepares you for the worst... And you have to play ahead :)

EDIT: Unless I just didn't get it. Still talking to Mith about it.

[The Exile]

We're talking about making rosters at the beginning of each round according to who is still "alive" on your team, rather than submitting a roster of 20 people at the start that does change at all during the rounds, and "dead" players are just taken out.

If we do the second option, a captain's use is finished when the rosters are submitted, and he is just a player. If the first option is used, the captain has to adapt each round with the players he has left and who the opponent has left, and try and out-guess his opposite number again.

Edit: let's try and make it clearer. Captain 1 has players 1, 2, 3.... 20.

The way Mithrandir wants it, rosters will look like:

Freestyle:
Player 4, 7, 12, 2, 1, 9, 18, 15, 3, 10, 13, 19, 17, 20, 5, 8, 6, 11, 16, 14.
Turtle:
Player 1, 2, 4, 6, 3, 7, 9, 5, 8, 10, 15, 13, 18, 12, 11, 19, 14, 17, 16, 20.
Grey:
Player 14, 5, 6, 8, 3, 11, 10, 1, 16, 4, 2, 7, 12, 9, 17, 13, 19, 15, 20, 18.

These will not change between rounds. In round 1, 7 players are chosen to play free and turt, and 6 to play grey. So if players 1-7 were chosen to play free, 8-14 turt, and 15-20 grey, the orders would be:

Free: Player 4, 7, 2, 1, 3, 5, 6
Turt: Player 9, 8, 10, 13, 12, 11, 14
Grey: Player 16, 17, 19, 15, 20, 18

as this is the order they are on the roster.

Say players 2, 3, 5, 6, 9, 13, 14, 17, 19, 20 and 18 were eliminated in round 1. This would leave the round 2 roster (free only) as follows:

Player 4, 7, 12, 1, 18, 15, 10, 8, 11, 16. (Th full freestyle roster without the eliminated players)

Assume players 4, 7, 1, 10, 11 and 16 advance. This leaves him with 2 players needed for each category in round 3. If he chooses to put 1 and 4 in free, 7 and 10 in turt, and 11 and 16 in grey, they would play:

Free: 4, 1
Turt: 7, 10
Grey: 11, 16

as this is the order they were on the original roster. If suddenly the captain thinks 16 should play ahead of 11, he can't change it.

My opinion is that rosters should be made every round from the players you have left. This means you have more control over who plays for you where.

[allstarGL]

Dude just vote that we dont have to send in the 20 man roster thingy!!!

[Mithrandir]

We're talking about making rosters at the beginning of each round according to who is still "alive" on your team, rather than submitting a roster of 20 people at the start that does change at all during the rounds, and "dead" players are just taken out.

If we do the second option, a captain's use is finished when the rosters are submitted, and he is just a player. If the first option is used, the captain has to adapt each round with the players he has left and who the opponent has left, and try and out-guess his opposite number again.
This is not enitrely accurate. While it is true that the leader would continue to do more if we changed things, the leader would have to decide who would play what kind of games througout the tourney either way.

Try and convince LT y'all, if you can't convince him the rules can't change.

[allstarGL]

If I have to make three 20 person rankings I might kill someone tonight!!! :butcher: :*paladin: :*dwarf: :blackeye:

[Mithrandir]

If I have to make three 20 person rankings I might kill someone tonight!!! :butcher: :*paladin: :*dwarf: :blackeye:
Then persuade him.

[The Exile]

If I have to make three 20 person rankings I might kill someone tonight!!! :butcher: :*paladin: :*dwarf: :blackeye:
Worse than that. If I have to make 20-person rosters for every style I won't be submitting them for a while, and the tournament will have to be postponed another week or two at least.

[Mithrandir]

Worse than that. If I have to make 20-person rosters for every style I won't be submitting them for a while, and the tournament will have to be postponed another week or two at least.
:confused: :mad:

[The Exile]

I did warn you. I wasn't expecting to have to do a 20-person roster for every style. I have no idea how good half my team are at grey or turtle. I will struggle to put together a freestyle roster as well. Since I am having trouble finding times to play my team members, I can't find out soon. I'm not making my team weaker by rushing to submit my rosters.

The problem is, you didn't make this 20-person rule rule at ALL clear from the start. Even when I queried it, you didn't clarify.

[Mithrandir]

I thought I had made it extremely clear, particularly by explaining two dozen freaking times. Oh well. I'm discussing it with LT right now.

You ought to go to rev so we can have a more productive conversation.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Well, Exiled, I actually liked the thought of thinking about the rounds ahead when you select your initial roster... However, I am not so keen on the thought of a team captain's use being diminished after the initial rosters and such are selected.

For the sake of comparison, can someone give an explanation as to how the second option would work, how Exiled explained the first one?

EDIT: Ah, to hell with it. Just change my vote. Mith's right--I can't wait another two weeks. :dry:

[Mithrandir]

K, I'll change it if DL agrees.

Exile and LT, PLEASE send me your rosters and finish trading tonight so I can post the matchups.

[Mithrandir]

I have everyone's rosters except for Exiled's. If I had his roster I could post the matchups right now. :(

[EleMENTAL]

I have everyone's rosters except for Exiled's. If I had his roster I could post the matchups right now. :(

What team is facing what team first?

[Mithrandir]

What team is facing what team first?
I can't say because Exile can't know until he gives me his roster. I can tell the other leaders though.

[Dragoen Link]

Yeah,i totally agree with them Mith...This totally screwed me up doing tje 20 ranking thing for each category...I say,rank 7 players you want to play in turt,7 players you want to play in freestyle and rank 6 players (so it makes 20) that you want to play in no drop grey...Then,we can acctually have a strategie going,therefore,making this 100% funner :)

[wolf-boy]

Hmm, I hope this gets on it's way soon.

[Mithrandir]

It will. As soon as I get Exiled's roster, I'll post the matchups. The only thing holding me back is the lack of his roster.

[allstarGL]

Thanks exile, I wont let you down, ill train my head off even more then before!
Lier you haven't been on in days!! I want to beat your ass get on punk!

[The Exile]

.Vash.
Last Activity: 10-02-2005 09:42 AM GMT +1

I wonder why he didn't post...

[allstarGL]

He saw his matchup and pissed himself :p

[The Exile]

He saw his matchup and pissed himself laughing :p
Yeah well, that's an understandable reaction.

[dab00z]

Very well. I'll have... Shadowbeast. (Never even heard of him before this.) :p

This made me laugh. Necro. I can't believe I just read 71 pages of this...

[Bottle]

Woohoo go my 1337 pix0r skillz!

[KBHoleN1]

Woohoo go my 1337 pix0r skillz!
;) we all know why SB won - so what is his password by the way? :grin:

sorry, I couldn't resist

[Bottle]

It's kbisatotalnoob.

Sorry- couldn't resist.