Gay? Nay!

[Learz]

10 reasons why Gay marige should be illegal:


01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.


From craigslist.org

[Megabyte]

wasn't this already made into a thread?

[dirka dirka]

Not one of those reasons is remotely valid. Don't get me wrong, its not that I'm in favor of Gay Marriage (honestly, I don't give a shit what they do), however none of those reasons are remotely valid.

[Learz]

mm.... I thought it was funny.
:dry:

[Wizzy`]

Learz, no offence..but..if you did this as a joke..you have a problem..

[Jeffery]

That exact list was already posted, not to mention was still stupid even then. Sarcasm isa fine art the maker never understood.

But at least you listed your source.

[dirka dirka]

I really don't get people. Why is it funny?

[Warcow]

Not one of those reasons is remotely valid. Don't get me wrong, its not that I'm in favor of Gay Marriage (honestly, I don't give a shit what they do), however none of those reasons are remotely valid.

You really missed the boat on this one Dirka . . .

Learz, this exact list was made into a thread already, though it is still somewhat clever. Unfortunately for you, someone just beat you to the punch.

[Hellblazer]

Those reasons make no sense. The only reason anyone thinks that gay marriage is bad and should be illegal is because they listen to Bush. He's a moron. Personally, I don't care who marries who, but none of those reasons are good ones.

Edit: In fact most of them are just plain retarded and make no sense.

[Jeffery]

Dirka, each one of those "points" are an overexagerated example of a real point used by gay bashers.

[Xenon]

Your either homphoebic or completely retarded. None of those as dirka said are valid reasons against.
I agree yes, I do not like gays but it's their sexuality. If they feel like that, then let them feel like it, just as long as they do not express it openly in front of me then I am fine with it.

[Hellblazer]

Dirka, each one of those "points" are an overexagerated example of a real point used by gay bashers.
Oh...
But now how do we tell if learz is trying to be funny or not?

[dirka dirka]

You really missed the boat on this one Dirka . . .
I seriously don't get it. If its sarcasm, I'd hope it was coming from someone that was gay, because otherwise they could find it insulting. If it isn't sarcasm, its just pure dumb.
Dirka, each one of those "points" are an overexagerated example of a real point used by gay bashers.
ehh.. I still don't get the point though. Maybe I'm alone in this, I just really don't find it funny.

[Warcow]

Haha, and HellBlazer gets totally owned as well.

Alright, even if it HAS been posted twice, is really funny to watch people TOTALLY miss the point.

[Hellblazer]

Haha, and HellBlazer gets totally owned as well.

Alright, even if it HAS been posted twice, is really funny to watch people TOTALLY miss the point.
What point? That learz isn't doing a great job at being funny?

[Warcow]

:D

Jeff, I KNOW you're with me in sitting back in your chair laughing like crazy right now!

[dirka dirka]

I don't know. Seriously, either way, I don't get it.

[Xenon]

I don't know. Seriously, either way, I don't get it.

What's there to not get?

[Wizzy`]

That. Thats what not to get.

[Hellblazer]

What's there to not get?
True,k but what is there to get?

Edit: Wait! I think I get it. This list is from some retarded hippy site! (craigslist.org)

[Swartzstrom]

10 reasons why Gay marige should be illegal:


01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.


From craigslist.org

This isn't funny. I don't care if it was meant to be funny. I don't care if it's clever. This offends me. It offends me because some of my good friends are gay or bisexual. Think before you post.

[Warcow]

This isn't funny. I don't care if it was meant to be funny. I don't care if it's clever. This offends me. It offends me because some of my good friends are gay or bisexual. Think before you post.

Gwahahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swartz gets tooled too! Who is next!?

[mushroom_girl]

Your either homphoebic or completely retarded. None of those as dirka said are valid reasons against.
I agree yes, I do not like gays but it's their sexuality. If they feel like that, then let them feel like it, just as long as they do not express it openly in front of me then I am fine with it.
This guy didn't get it either. :)

I think it's a little funny, but I've seen it many times before.

EDIT: Whoa! Swartz too?! I feel so smart today!

[Hellblazer]

Gwahahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Swartz gets tooled too! Who is next!?
Just say what the retarded meaning to this thread is. Until then, I'm outta here.

[dirka dirka]

No. Seriously, Warcow, I don't think you get it. It may be a list of all the extremes of arguments that arn't valid. Its still not funny. It still is offending to those who are gay. Its still invalid.

[Warcow]

This guy didn't get it either. :)

I think it's a little funny, but I've seen it many times before.

EDIT: Whoa! Swartz too?! I feel so smart today!

Oh yeah you're totally right, the thing itself has ceased to be funny completely.

Seriously though, peoples reactions to this stuff is pure gold . . .

[Warcow]

No. Seriously, Warcow, I don't think you get it. It may be a list of all the extremes of arguments that arn't valid. Its still not funny. It still is offending to those who are gay. Its still invalid.

Dirka, after a few more people go down, and I get my kicks for the day, I'll tell you what you've missed so completely :)

Just wait for say 30 more minutes, if someone else doesn't spoil it by then, I will.

[mushroom_girl]

Oh yeah, the reactions are more funny than the list itself! :)

EDIT: This might have spoiled it. Edited out!

[Hellblazer]

*comes back to thread for a second*
I think they're messing with our minds, dirk. You're probably absolutely right, but they're going to keep acting like there's some greater meaning.
*leaves again*

[Wizzy`]

Is the meaning to this, that people are too serious? O_O

[Hellblazer]

Is the meaning to this, that people are too serious? O_O
Nope. It's that this isn't funny, it's a bunch of really retarded reasons, and people are trying to get me and dirk to think there's some kind of deep meaning to it. In reality, it's just a dumb list that's offensive to gay people.

[Tama Drummer]

Why do people even care if there is gay marrage? Let them do what they want. Having two guys/girls married isn't going to really affect you, now is it?

Edit: ah, I'll add back in what I had before I first edited it out. I don't even remember why I edited it out in the first place.

I actually think it's funny... heh. Butt sex.

[dirka dirka]

*comes back to thread for a second*
I think they're messing with our minds, dirk. You're probably absolutely right, but they're going to keep acting like there's some greater meaning.
*leaves again*
Yea, seriously..

[Northwind]

This is totally offensive. :mad:

I can’t believe all the stupid reasons that people use against gay people. Gosh! Unfortunately, the points he lists are so over-exaggerated that it almost seems like they are making fun of the people who are against gay rights. Gosh. I can’t believe anyone would do that.

Wait . . . maybe, just maybe . . . that was his point? :huh:

Oh, and if you’re keeping track:

Warcow: 1
Others: 0

:)

[Warcow]

Why do people even care if there is gay marrage? Let them do what they want. Having two guys/girls married isn't going to really affect you, now is it?

Alright, Tama didn't really get owned . . . but his post just kind of encompasses the whole gay/lesbian marriage issue.

Tama, way to dodge a bullet :)

[Swartzstrom]

I'm a serious person by nature.

And actually going to the site reveals that a list like that couldn't have come from there. I overreacted for no reason. Plus the entire list isn't making fun of gays, I think it's making fun of the people who persecute gays. I can't believe I was so blind to it. >_<

[Warcow]

This is totally offensive. :(

I can’t believe all the stupid reasons that people use against gay people. Gosh! Unfortunately, the points he lists are so over-exaggerated that it almost seems like they are making fun of the people who are against gay rights. Gosh. I can’t believe anyone would do that.

Wait . . . maybe, just maybe . . . that was his point? :huh:

Oh, and if you’re keeping track:

Warcow: 1
Others: 0

:)

I love you Northy :D

[dirka dirka]

I'm a serious person by nature.
Its not even that I'm serious all the time. However, when it comes to a topic that is so... fragile, I don't see how someone could joke over it.

[mushroom_girl]

Haha, I love you people. :laugh:

Its not even that I'm serious all the time. However, when it comes to a topic that is so... fragile, I don't see how someone could joke over it.
It's not offensive to Gay people! Read it again!

[Hellblazer]

I'm a serious person by nature.

And actually going to the site reveals that a list like that couldn't have come from there. I overreacted for no reason. Plus the entire list isn't making fun of gays, I think it's making fun of straight people.
*buzzer* Wrong! As Northwind just said, it's making fun of people that are against gays and they're stupid reasons for being against them. Yay! I get it now!

Edit: Cool, and this was my 4,300th post!

[dirka dirka]

It's not offensive to Gay people! Read it again!
I'm sorry, are you gay? Not to my knowledge. So how do you know if its offensive to them?

[Learz]

Maybe I wasn't clear....

The overall effect is highlighting the revelation that the opposition's argument pretty much just adds up to a slippery slope appeal.

Oh, and btw....
It doesn't advance the discussion of gay marriage - it just makes fun of its opponents by setting up sarcastic straw men.

:dry:

I thought that was funny, sorry if you don't share it with me.

[mushroom_girl]

I'm sorry, are you gay? Not to my knowledge. So how do you know if its offensive to them?
Because it's not making fun of them. *sigh*

[dirka dirka]

Because it's not making fun of them. *sigh*
Just because it isn't making fun of them, doesn't mean it isn't offensive.

[Hellblazer]

Just because it isn't making fun of them, doesn't mean it isn't offensive.
True. While the point is to bash the retarded reasons that gay-haters have agianst gays, it still has the overall negative effect towards gays.

[Swartzstrom]

I'm a serious person by nature.

And actually going to the site reveals that a list like that couldn't have come from there. I overreacted for no reason. Plus the entire list isn't making fun of gays, I think it's making fun of the people who persecute gays. I can't believe I was so blind to it. >_<

I just editted it when I realized that they were making fun of the idiots against gays. I had to read it thoroughly. What got me thinking is:

"08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America."

Then I went back to the Bill of Rights then posted the original. Then I thought some more and read this:

"01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning."

And thought that most friends I know reject eyeglassses, polyester, and air conditioning; 'cause they'd rather be outside. Whereas the bastards who reject gay marriage love eyeglasses, cheap-ass polyester suits, and air conditioning. Then I editted my post to say what you see at the top of this post.

[S_K_O_F]

HOW COULD ANYONE THINK THIS IS FUNNY??? I am completely offended by this.

My dog is gay and is married to my roommates cat. They would totally be offended by this kind of mockery!!!

[mushroom_girl]

Just because it isn't making fun of them, doesn't mean it isn't offensive.
Ok, so let's say that I was making fun guys from New York. You might take offence or laugh in my face.

But if I was making fun of people who make fun of New York guys, then you'd probably laugh right along with me. Wouldn't you?

[Hellblazer]

HOW COULD ANYONE THINK THIS IS FUNNY??? I am completely offended by this.

You had me scared there, skof.

[dirka dirka]

Ok, so let's say that I was making fun guys from New York. You might take offence or laugh in my face.

But if I was making fun of people who make fun of New York guys, then you'd probably laugh right along with me. Wouldn't you?
No... I'd still be offended. I'd want the entire topic to be dropped. I wouldn't want any hint of it still being argued about.

[mushroom_girl]

No... I'd still be offended. I'd want the entire topic to be dropped. I wouldn't want any hint of it still being argued about.
Well then it's just a difference of opinion I guess. I'd laugh. I even laugh at blonde jokes! :)

[dirka dirka]

Well then it's just a difference of opinion I guess. I'd laugh. I even laugh at blonde jokes! :)
Blonde jokes arn't serious. Nobody is trying to call your entire way of life an atrocity.

[Learz]

I have unwittingly divided TAO....
:(
I assumed that people would see the point, chuckle, and move on.

Oh well.

[Hellblazer]

I have unwittingly divided TAO....
:(
I assumed that people would see the point, chuckle, and move on.

Oh well.
Bad learz.:p

[dirka dirka]

I have unwittingly divided TAO....
:(
I assumed that people would see the point, chuckle, and move on.

Oh well.
Its not that anybody doesn't see the point. The point isn't funny. Why keep bringing up old arguments, valid or invalid, jokingly or not? I seriously don't get it. It apears I'm alone it not getting it though.

[Northwind]

It apears I'm alone it not getting it though.
It would appear. :dry:

[mushroom_girl]

Blonde jokes arn't serious. Nobody is trying to call your entire way of life an atrocity.
Ok Dirka, that's true. But some people do take offence.

Look there are 2 gay guys in my school, and I'm very good friends with them. If someone was making fun of gay people, I'd be seriously angry. Out of all the people in the world, I hate racists/sexists the most.

But is this really an issue? I mean, this wasn't meant to offend, right Learz?

[Merdoc.]

10 reasons why Gay marige should be illegal:


01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.


From craigslist.org
shut your face, I no gay people, there super nice, personaly i think it should be legal, but you shouldnt have 10 reasons why gays shouldnt be together, shame on you.

[dirka dirka]

Whats meant to happen and what happens are often two different things.


You bring up invalid extremes of an offensive argument. Everybody finds it funny because they are invalid, and are extremes making it sarcasm. What you all fail to see is, the offensive argument STILL ISN'T FUNNY.

[S_K_O_F]

shut your face, I no gay people, there super nice, personaly i think it should be legal, but you shouldnt have 10 reasons why gays shouldnt be together, shame on you.

I agree!!! My gay dog would seriously be pissed about this thread! If only she could read.

[Hellblazer]

I hate racists the most.
People making fun of gays are sexist. Gay people aren't technically a race. Same thing for people that make fun of Jewish people. That's "religionism".

[Learz]

I didn't intend to offend anyone. I was trying to make a point.

And merdoc, did you even READ any of the last 4 pages?

[S_K_O_F]

People making fun of gays are sexist. Gay people aren't technically a race. Same thing for people that make fun of Jewish people. That's "religionism".

um...look up the definition for racism.

both of those are included in it.

[Merdoc.]

And merdoc, did you even READ any of the last 4 pages?
No, i dont have time for that.

[dirka dirka]

And merdoc, did you even READ any of the last 4 pages?
It doesn't matter!

"You bring up invalid extremes of an offensive argument. Everybody finds it funny because they are invalid, and are extremes making it sarcasm. What you all fail to see is, the offensive argument STILL ISN'T FUNNY."

[mushroom_girl]

People making fun of gays are sexist. Gay people aren't technically a race. Same thing for people that make fun of Jewish people. That's "religionism".
Oopsies, I didn't mean it like that. It's just the word that I thought of first. :o

Dirka, ok. I see your point. But I'm sure that it's not offensive to all gay people just like how religion jokes are not offensive to all people. For those who were offended, then Learz should apoligise. But so far, I see no one who was offended. Were you personally offended, Dirka?

[Merdoc.]

HOW COULD ANYONE THINK THIS IS FUNNY??? I am completely offended by this.

My dog is gay and is married to my roommates cat. They would totally be offended by this kind of mockery!!!
Wow.......

[mushroom_girl]

No, i dont have time for that.
Merdoc...did you even read the first post for that matter, or just the title?

[dirka dirka]

But so far, I see no one who was offended. Were you personally offended, Dirka?
No. Seriously, you don't know who is and who isn't offended. How do you know some guest read that first post, is a gay person, and realized society will always have arguments against them, so in turn ended their own life. I seriously don't get how anybody finds this funny.

[Merdoc.]

I read the first post. does it look like i didnt read it?

[Hellblazer]

No. Seriously, you don't know who is and who isn't offended. How do you know some guest read that first post, is a gay person, and realized society will always have arguments against them, so in turn ended their own life. I seriously don't get how anybody finds this funny.
Ok. Has everyone that needed a laugh gotten their laugh? Good. For dirk, let's let this die.

[Northwind]

No. Seriously, you don't know who is and who isn't offended. How do you know some guest read that first post, is a gay person, and realized society will always have arguments against them, so in turn ended their own life. I seriously don't get how anybody finds this funny.
dirka,

I can only assume you are trying to be funny here. However, like you might say "it's not working."

And if you're not trying to be funny, those are the stupidest points I've ever seen. (And I'm, like, really, really old.)

[S_K_O_F]

I read the first post. does it look like i didnt read it?

I read it too...

I am right there with you Merdoc!!! Down with anyone who would make such an offensive post! Down with anyone who is against gay marriage!

* The nerve of some people...*

[mushroom_girl]

No. Seriously, you don't know who is and who isn't offended. How do you know some guest read that first post, is a gay person, and realized society will always have arguments against them, so in turn ended their own life. I seriously don't get how anybody finds this funny.
Dirk, you're an awesome guy...but that sounded slightly hypocritical. Who are you to say that someone was offended?

I read the first post. does it look like i didnt read it?
Maybe you didn't read it hard enough. :)

[dirka dirka]

dirka,

I can only assume you are trying to be funny here. However, like you might say "it's not working."

And if you're not trying to be funny, those are the stupidest points I've ever seen. (And I'm, like, really, really old.)
... I'm not trying to be funny.

How are they stupid points?
Seriously, argue against it, don't just say thats stupid. Respond to this:
You bring up invalid extremes of an offensive argument. Everybody finds it funny because they are invalid, and are extremes making it sarcasm. What you all fail to see is, the offensive argument STILL ISN'T FUNNY.

Dirk, you're an awesome guy...but that sounded slightly hypocritical. Who are you to say that someone was offended?
EXACTLY! Who are you to say that someone wasn't offended?

[Learz]

merdoc: .......right. This explanes so much.

dirka: I thought it was funny. However, people should still have seen the point.

and for the rest....

S_K_O_F is making fun of Gay people, yet nobody is saying anything.
What? You don't know for a fact he's joking? I'm NOT making fun of Gay people, yet everyone jumps on me. fyi, There are two targets....

Sheesh. I'm trying to make a poiint.

At least I didn't get the response inked did....

[mushroom_girl]

... I'm not trying to be funny.

How are they stupid points?
Seriously, argue against it, don't just say thats stupid. Respond to this:
You bring up invalid extremes of an offensive argument. Everybody finds it funny because they are invalid, and are extremes making it sarcasm. What you all fail to see is, the offensive argument STILL ISN'T FUNNY.
You're invalid too.
EXACTLY! Who are you to say that someone wasn't offended?
So we're all a bunch of hypocrites and invalids!

And Learz...I think SKOF is being sarcastic....

[S_K_O_F]

merdoc: .......right. This explanes so much.

dirka: I thought it was funny. However, people should still have seen the point.

and for the rest....

S_K_O_F is making fun of Gay people, yet nobody is saying anything.
What? You don't know for a fact he's joking? I'm NOT making fun of Gay people, yet everyone jumps on me. fyi, There are two targets....

Sheesh. I'm trying to make a poiint.

At least I didn't get the response inked did....


I am NOT making fun of gay people. I am making fun of the people who thought that you were making fun of gay people. Get it?

thanks for ruining my fun!

[Learz]

And Learz...I think SKOF is being sarcastic....

heh. I know, but now merdoc will jump on him :wink2:

But SKOF is making a point too (I think).

[dirka dirka]

You're invalid too.
... no.

[Merdoc.]

Nah im done, iv said what i said.

[mushroom_girl]

... no.
You're gay?

[dirka dirka]

You're gay?
What? Seriously, if you're going to try to make a point, don't just type three words. "You're invalid too" says nothing to me.

[Swartzstrom]

I just editted it when I realized that they were making fun of the idiots against gays. I had to read it thoroughly. What got me thinking is:

"08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America."

Then I went back to the Bill of Rights then posted the original. Then I thought some more and read this:

"01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning."

And thought that most friends I know reject eyeglassses, polyester, and air conditioning; 'cause they'd rather be outside. Whereas the bastards who reject gay marriage love eyeglasses, cheap-ass polyester suits, and air conditioning. Then I editted my post to say what you see at the top of this post.

:rolleyes:

[S_K_O_F]

You're gay?

LOL!

Seriously...I thought this was freaking hilarious!

[mushroom_girl]

What? Seriously, if you're going to try to make a point, don't just type three words. "You're invalid too" says nothing to me.
Well you're not gay, so how can you say that gay people will be offended by it? It's the same as my situation, but reversed.

Again, I'll say it: It's a difference of opinion. It's obvious that we take offence to different things.

[Warcow]

What we have here is a classic case of someone realizing they totally missed the point, being REALLY embarassed about it, and then making up a BS argument to try and pretend they actually didn't miss the boat at all.

:) Good job Dirka.

[dirka dirka]

What we have here is a classic case of someone realizing they totally missed the point, being REALLY embarassed about it, and then making up a BS argument to try and pretend they actually didn't miss the boat at all.

:) Good job Dirka.
Not at all. Don't try and pretend like you have some greater insight. I missed the point with my first post, then realized by the time the first page was done. The point is still offensive to gay people, because the entire topic is still offensive to gay people (within reasonable doubt).

[dirka dirka]

Well you're not gay, so how can you say that gay people will be offended by it? It's the same as my situation, but reversed.
... I didn't. I said its still an offensive topic. Why bring up an offensive topic?

[S_K_O_F]

What we have here is a classic case of someone realizing they totally missed the point, being REALLY embarassed about it, and then making up a BS argument to try and pretend they actually didn't miss the boat at all.

:) Good job Dirka.

HEY!!! My dog would seriously be offended!!!

YOU missed the boat!

[mushroom_girl]

... I didn't. I said its still an offensive topic. Why bring up an offensive topic?
The topic is over-exaggerating all of the points people have made against gay marriages. How is that offensive?

Dirka please, this is rediculous! We're just being repetative!

[Warcow]

Not at all. Don't try and pretend like you have some greater insight. I missed the point with my first post, then realized by the time the first page was done. The point is still offensive to gay people, because the entire topic is still offensive to gay people (within reasonable doubt).

Dirka, you aren't making any sense, why? Because NONE of what is said is offensive to gay people. It indirectly supports gay rights, simply by showing how absolutely absurd the arguments against them are. You don't get offended when someone defends your side by showing that the other side is a bunch of ignorant jackasses, you LAUGH!

You try to find a gay person that would be offended by someone who is showing that people who bash gay people are being hugely idiotic. If you can, I will give you my gold account, and pay you 20$/month.

Dirka, you aren't gay (I don't think :confused: ) you have no idea what gay people feel is a touchy subject, and it is BLATENTLY obvious you are trying to save yourself from embarassment, but you are only making it worse.

[mushroom_girl]

Dirka, you aren't making any sense, why? Because NONE of what is said is offensive to gay people. It indirectly supports gay rights, simply by showing how absolutely absurd the arguments against them are. You don't get offended when someone defends your side by showing that the other side is a bunch of ignorant jackasses, you LAUGH!

You try to find a gay person that would be offended by someone who is showing that people who bash gay people are being hugely idiotic. If you can, I will give you my gold account, and pay you 20$/month.

Dirka, you aren't gay (I don't think :confused: ) you have no idea what gay people feel is a touchy subject, and it is BLATENTLY obvious you are trying to save yourself from ebarassment, but you are only making it worse.
That is what I've been trying to say! Thank God I'm not the only person with this opinion.

[dirka dirka]

The topic is over-exaggerating all of the points people have made against gay marriages. How is that offensive?

Dirka please, this is rediculous! We're just being repetative!
Nonono. The topic is not the over-exaggerated points. The topic is gay people, in general, if they are just as moral and normal as straight people. The obvious rightful argument is they are normal, they just have a different sexual preference. Bringing up the topic, brings up the original question, which is invalid.

[mushroom_girl]

Nonono. The topic is not the over-exaggerated points. The topic is gay people, in general, if they are just as moral and normal as straight people. The obvious rightful argument is they are normal, they just have a different sexual preference. Bringing up the topic, brings up the original question, which is invalid.
That's the point of this thread, over-exaggerated arguments against gay people, it is in NO WAY bashing gay people. If it was, I would be the first to call Learz out.

[Warcow]

Nonono. The topic is not the over-exaggerated points. The topic is gay people, in general, if they are just as moral and normal as straight people. The obvious rightful argument is they are normal, they just have a different sexual preference. Bringing up the topic, brings up the original question, which is invalid.

Dirka, you assent to the theory of evolution correct? Would you be upset when someone made a satirical post about how idiotic some of the arguments against it are?

Gay people don't get offended when they talk about being gay . . . This isn't a touchy subject.

[S_K_O_F]

Gay people are people too!

[Hellblazer]

Gay people are people too!
Word. But no matter how many people say this, this thread will still go on.

[dirka dirka]

Dirka, you aren't making any sense, why? Because NONE of what is said is offensive to gay people.
How do you know? I'd think that bringing up the topic of "gay rights" would be offensive. Simply because gays should have the same rights as everyone else, and bringing that up in a question allows for two sides to the argument, one being against gay people.

It indirectly supports gay rights, simply by showing how absolutely absurd the arguments against them are.
That may be so. However, do I find the need to make a thread about straight rights? Why make a thread about it, unless you are acknowledging some people find gays to be not normal, and that is offensive to gay people.[/QUOTE]

You don't get offended when someone defends your side by showing that the other side is a bunch of ignorant jackasses, you LAUGH!
Probably not. Unless if it was a topic on... if my arms are normal or if my ears look good. The topic in itself is dumb in the first place.


Dirka, you aren't gay (I don't think :confused: ) you have no idea what gay people feel is a touchy subject, and it is BLATENTLY obvious you are trying to save yourself from embarassment, but you are only making it worse.
No... Thats exactly the point. Warcow, you aren't gay. You have no idea what gay people feel is a touchy subject, and it is blatantly obvious that any question or even support of if gays should have the same rights or not, is offensive because there is no reason for them not to have the same rights, therefore the topic shouldn't exist just as the topic of straight rights does not exist.

Gay people don't get offended when they talk about being gay . . . This isn't a touchy subject.
True enough. However I'm almost sure some of them get offended when there is any topic or question of gay rights. They are people. People have rights. Gay rights, make it seem like they not normal.

[Jeffery]

I'd also like to point out that I have shown that list to several gay persons, and not a single one was offended by it, and actually enjoyed it because of the ignorance shown by the original list that inspired it.
So no Dirka, LBGT persons are not offended by such lists, when it insults homophobes such as yourself far more than gays.

[Swartzstrom]

What we have here is a classic case of someone realizing they totally missed the point, being REALLY embarassed about it, and then making up a BS argument to try and pretend they actually didn't miss the boat at all.

:) Good job Dirka.

Kind of reminds me of...well...me. :D

[dirka dirka]

I'd also like to point out that I have shown that list to several gay persons, and not a single one was offended by it, and actually enjoyed it because of the ignorance shown by the original list that inspired it.
So no Dirka, LBGT persons are not offended by such lists, when it insults homophobes such as yourself far more than gays.
Who said it insulted me? It really doesn't matter how many you showed it do. Go ask them if they think they are normal people. I bet they would say yes. So any topic of them not being normal, should offend them in some way.



Edit: Now, I'm done arguing with the both of you. If you don't see this point, there is no point in me going on with it. The point is valid, just as its valid that alot of gays might laugh at this.

[Realist]

This thread is embarrassing.

Dirka Dirka, I suggest you stop.

Its really strange that two of this exact same list were posted within a few weeks on these forums. I've seen it nowhere else online (except when googling for it) and its really not that funny. Exaggerating your opponent's points is the lowest form of sarcasm, and quite near the lowest form of logic.

[mushroom_girl]

Edit: Now, I'm done arguing with the both of you. If you don't see this point, there is no point in me going on with it. The point is valid, just as its valid that alot of gays might laugh at this.
Oh Dirka...that's what I've been trying to tell you. But I'm sure that the majority would probably laugh. After all, it's making fun of the people who find something wrong with being gay. :)

Glad that's over.

So! Who still doesn't get this?

[Warcow]

How do you know? I'd think that bringing up the topic of "gay rights" would be offensive. Simply because gays should have the same rights as everyone else, and bringing that up in a question allows for two sides to the argument, one being against gay people.

Dirka, the question is already up. Hell, there have been laws recently passed about it. It was already an issue someone had raised, so this was just showing that it is idiotic to argue that they shouldn't have the rights. This is NOT raising an issue, it is merely a response to one already raised. That is why your logic sucks here.


That may be so. However, do I find the need to make a thread about straight rights? Why make a thread about it, unless you are acknowledging some people find gays to be not normal, and that is offensive to gay people. Again, straight people's rights have never been an issue in the first place, it doesn't apply! You're really being silly.

No... Thats exactly the point. Warcow, you aren't gay. You have no idea what gay people feel is a touchy subject, and it is blatantly obvious that any question or even support of if gays should have the same rights or not, is offensive because there is no reason for them not to have the same rights, therefore the topic shouldn't exist just as the topic of straight rights does not exist.
Good lord Dirka, you are so silly in some of your arguments sometimes.

Lets look at it this way:

Today, gays struggle with the same kind of prejudices and lack of rights black people did back quite some time ago. The whites didn't believe the blacks were their equals, this brought up a huge issue.

I'll assume you know who Doctor Martin Luther King is/was. He addressed the issue of black rights, much the same way this article addresses the problem of gay rights. Does that mean that his entire advocacy for equal rights was insulting to black people?

OF COURSE NOT!


True enough. However I'm almost sure some of them get offended when there is any topic or question of gay rights. They are people. People have rights. Gay rights, make it seem like they not normal.

Be that as it may, this DID NOT RAISE THE QUESTION! That is why these points of yours aren't valid, this is merely a response

[dirka dirka]

Dirka Dirka, I suggest you stop.
Realist, I suggest you read. As I said I already made my point, and am stopping, previously. My point is just as valid as the point of them laughing at it. If one does not see that, there is no point in me going further with it.

Dirka, the question is already up. Hell, there have been laws recently passed about it. It was already an issue someone had raised, so this was just showing that it is idiotic to argue that they shouldn't have the rights. This is NOT raising an issue, it is merely a response to one already raised. That is why your logic sucks here.
This isn't raising an issue? Hmm.. weird.. cause as I look around these forums, I don't see the issue anywhere. It apears this is raising the issue on these forums.


Again, straight people's rights have never been an issue in the first place, it doesn't apply! You're really being silly.
Exactly my point. Its silly to even question it. So why?


Today, gays struggle with the same kind of prejudices and lack of rights black people did back quite some time ago. The whites didn't believe the blacks were their equals, this brought up a huge issue.
Nono. I don't see gays struggling with this. I see gays struggling with ignorance of a few assholes, and maybe some laws that stop them from being normal humans.

[Warcow]

I've seen it nowhere else online (except when googling for it) and its really not that funny. Exaggerating your opponent's points is the lowest form of sarcasm, and quite near the lowest form of logic.

The reason it is funny is that these points aren't exaggerations, and have been used MANY times.

[Swartzstrom]

Dammit I'm telling the F*cking secret!

Learz posted a list of things insulting the people who are against gay rights!

There, I said it!

[Jeffery]

unless you are acknowledging some people find gays to be not normal, and that is offensive to gay people.

Warcow, you aren't gay. You have no idea what gay people feel is a touchy subject


So, Dirka is saying that since Warcow is not Gay, he would have no idea how gays think. But Dirka is also saying that he KNOWS what gays find offensive.

Is this finally an admission that since only gays know what gays think, that Dirka is gay?

[mushroom_girl]

Dammit I'm telling the F*cking secret!

Learz posted a list of things insulting the people who are against gay rights!

There, I said it!
We said that, Swartz. :)

Warcow, these aren't exaggerations?! ...Were those people even trying to make a point?

[dirka dirka]

This is my last post on the subject. I'll say it clearly and slowly.


You are walking down the road with a friend. Your friend is gay and you are straight. You bring up those exact things. Your friend might laugh. Your friend might also be pissed that you brought it up, cause there is no point in bringing it up, when he is just like you, normal.

So, Dirka is saying that since Warcow is not Gay, he would have no idea how gays think. But Dirka is also saying that he KNOWS what gays find offensive.
This is exactly my point. Some might find it offensive and some might find it funny. You can't say what they will do, when you arn't one of them. Even if you were, other gays might see it differently. Both are very logical.

s this finally an admission that since only gays know what gays think, that Dirka is gay?
As I said many times before, I am afraid of gays.

[Warcow]

This isn't raising an issue? Hmm.. weird.. cause as I look around these forums, I don't see the issue anywhere. It apears this is raising the issue on these forums. On these forums really isn't important, the fact that the issue has been raised all around the world makes your point idiotic. These forums are just a place for people to carry the discussion on.

Nono. I don't see gays struggling with this. I see gays struggling with ignorance of a few assholes, and maybe some laws that stop them from being normal humans.
Really?

I suppose that there is no reason to continue making laws so that they can be legally married then hmm? Obviously that doesn't apply to gay rights AT ALL :rolleyes:

Wait! Maybe gays not being able to be in the navy has something to do with gay rights!? Nope, that certainly can't be it either . . .

Gee! I sure hope I'll find an example that will you that gay rights ARE in question :dry:

The rest of your "points" aren't worth responding to.

[mushroom_girl]

You are walking down the road with a friend. Your friend is gay and you are straight. You bring up those exact things. Your friend might laugh. Your friend might also be pissed that you brought it up, cause there is no point in bringing it up, when he is just like you, normal.
Exactly, Dirka. But that's not what you were saying before. At least, that's not how I read it.
As I said many times before, I am afraid of gays.
I never knew that. I actually don't know that many homophobics. Meh.

[Realist]

The reason it is funny is that these points aren't exaggerations, and have been used MANY times.

Sure they are.

"Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all"--who has said this? Anti-gay-marriage advocates would say that gay marriage would change a system in a way it shouldn't be changed, but it is deep exaggeration to go from that to saying that straight marriage has never been changed in history. I've never heard anyone suggest that.

Some of the points use methods other than direct exaggeration, but they exaggerate the arguments of the anti-gay movement to a place the actual homophobes would never do so (if they did then the list couldn't be taken as sarcasm).

[Swartzstrom]

As I said many times before, I am afraid of gays.

Therefore, by the logic in which your posts are going, you are afraid of yourself?

[Warcow]

Warcow, these aren't exaggerations?! ...Were those people even trying to make a point?

No sorry Mush, I meant that the idiotic reasons that they are making fun of HAVE been used before. Realist says that this list is a straw man fallacy, that they are attacking a position that the anti-gay group has taken. He is wrong though, because they use those kind of arguments ALL the time.

[dirka dirka]

Warcow, as I said before. They are people. Not giving them rights just like any other person, is offensive. It shouldn't be a question. This is where your logic sucks in saying my logic sucks. The question shouldn't exist anywhere. The fact that it does, is obviously offensive. I keep finding myself posting for some weird reason.

[TheBlazedAce]

Exaggerating your opponent's points is the lowest form of sarcasm, and quite near the lowest form of logic.

Realist, none of those arguments really "exaggerates" the point into sarcasm. Actually, if you read correctly the logic applied by the opponent's point is just applied to something else where it is shown not to work. Do you remember a time very long ago we were arguing with someone on the subject of abortion? I don't recall who exactly mentioned it, but someone said abortion is "unnatural" and therefore wrong, so I responded by asking if a cesarean was wrong even though it was unnatural? He responded saying that a cesarean helps you and you said that obviously the original point of something being unnatural being wrong is invalid. Sort of the exact same thing. Of course, trying to explain all of this to the *echem* specific people *echem* who still weren't getting the thread, was a few steps ahead of the process.

[mushroom_girl]

No sorry Mush, I meant that the idiotic reasons that they are making fun of HAVE been used before. Realist says that this list is a straw man fallacy, that they are attacking a position that the anti-gay group has taken. He is wrong though, because they use those kind of arguments ALL the time.
Ah, ok.

People are so rediculous though. Let gay people get married, how will that effect your life in any way? It's just like that guy around the corner getting married to a woman, how does that effect your life? There's really no difference.

[Warcow]

Sure they are.

"Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all"--who has said this? Anti-gay-marriage advocates would say that gay marriage would change a system in a way it shouldn't be changed, but it is deep exaggeration to go from that to saying that straight marriage has never been changed in history. I've never heard anyone suggest that.

I don't have any direct quotes, but there are people that have been advocating "Marriage is a tradition given to us by god! It shouldn't be changed!" You have to collaborate some of the points that they use to arrive at this argument, but it's still the same point that they use. The wording is changed, but the argument itself has not.

[dirka dirka]

Therefore, by the logic in which your posts are going, you are afraid of yourself?
... Grow up. One doesn't have to be gay to defend gays. Although, nobody here is really insulting them, atleast on purpose. I could even be insulting them in ways (before I said I'm afraid of them).

EI never knew that. I actually don't know that many homophobics. Meh.
and actually, I have a friend thats bi... and I kinda understand. However, at the same time, I don't want to know anything, and I'm scared they'll try something.. or something. Its fairly hard to explain, and thats probably because it originates in ignorance.

[Realist]

Realist, none of those arguments really "exaggerates" the point into sarcasm.

Not sure what you mean here; are you actually suggesting that the intention of the list is not sarcastic? It might be trying to make a point, but it is doing so sarcastically and in many places exaggeratedly, which, as Warcow correctly termed it, is pure straw man. Granted, some of the points are better in this regard than others.

[Warcow]

Warcow, as I said before. They are people. Not giving them rights just like any other person, is offensive. It shouldn't be a question. This is where your logic sucks in saying my logic sucks. The question shouldn't exist anywhere. The fact that it does, is obviously offensive. I keep finding myself posting for some weird reason.

But the issue wasn't raised by this article! YES it is offensive that we even question whether or not gays should have rights. This article however, does not raise that question, it simply shoots down the idiotic reasons people create for arguing against gays having rights.

Dirka, everyone in this thread, INCLUDING you, know that you aren't making any sense.

Why don't you just drop it rather than continuing to dig the hole deeper?

[Swartzstrom]

... Grow up. One doesn't have to be gay to defend gays. Although, nobody here is really insulting them, atleast on purpose. I could even be insulting them in ways (before I said I'm afraid of them).

I defend gays very thoroughly, actually. Most of my best friends are gay or bisexual, whereas I'm straight.

[S_K_O_F]

Well...now this thread has just turned in to another dirka argument.

[dirka dirka]

But the issue wasn't raised by this article! YES it is offensive that we even question whether or not gays should have rights. This article however, does not raise that question, it simply shoots down the idiotic reasons people create for arguing against gays having rights.
This is what you fail to see. This thread does raise the question to some degree. Thats because it raises it on these forums. Thats where you say it doesn't matter where it is raised:


You are with a friend, who is gay. Out of knowhere, you list those things, and say how dumb they are. Do they laugh? Do they get offended? I could see them laughing cause its true, those things are dumb. I could see them get offended, because what person wants to talk about false ignorant arguments against their very way of life?

Dirka, everyone in this thread, INCLUDING you, know that you aren't making any sense.
Seriously. STOP SAYING THIS. You're not God. I believe I am making sense. Just as you can't know how they would act. You don't know if I feel this argument makes sense or not.

[Jeffery]

Not sure what you mean here; are you actually suggesting that the intention of the list is not sarcastic? It might be trying to make a point, but it is doing so sarcastically and in many places exaggeratedly, which, as Warcow correctly termed it, is pure straw man. Granted, some of the points are better in this regard than others.
Maybe there should be some back ground offered. I will dig up the list that this one spawned off of.

A while back, one of the ultra-right wing religious groups put out a top ten reasons why gay marriage is wrong list. After that one came out, several lists mocking it, including this version, popped up.
Each point is based on an actual point raised in the original, with an attempt to give exagerated reasons for the point.
That is why the list seems only partially exagerated, is because it is based on a list that was NOT meant to be exagerations, but actual points.

[Realist]

I don't have any direct quotes, but there are people that have been advocating "Marriage is a tradition given to us by god! It shouldn't be changed!"

They may say it shouldn't be changed, but do they seriously argue that it has never in history been any different? Perhaps they feel there is one correct type of marriage, but I've never heard of anyone say that the legal institution of marriage has never ever been changed. Haven't they read the Old Testament (probably not)?

Also, even if one or two people stupidly did say something like marriage has stayed the same since God gave it to us when he created humanity 6000 years ago, attacking these people is still exaggerating by grouping the mass of homophobes with the extreme of ignorance among them.

[Realist]

A while back, one of the ultra-right wing religious groups put out a top ten reasons why gay marriage is wrong list. After that one came out, several lists mocking it, including this version, popped up.

It'd be interesting to read that original. Let's see what they actually said.

[Warcow]

They may say it shouldn't be changed, but do they seriously argue that it has never in history been any different? Perhaps they feel there is one correct type of marriage, but I've never heard of anyone say that the legal institution of marriage has never ever been changed. Haven't they read the Old Testament (probably not)?
As Jeff stated, these were actual points raised.

Also, even if one or two people stupidly did say something like marriage has stayed the same since God gave it to us when he created humanity 6000 years ago, attacking these people is still exaggerating by grouping the mass of homophobes with the extreme of ignorance among them.
Now you're generalizing :)

This list never said that all people who argue against gay rights make stupid arguments, merely that these ones which HAVE been used, are REALLY stupid.

[Swartzstrom]

That'll clear some things up very nicely, I believe.

[Jeffery]

http://grove.ufl.edu/~ggsa/gaymarriage.html

That is the original list making fun of points raised by religious groups. I am still trying to find the place they took their points from.
Please not the difference between the bold and nonbold text on each point.

[Hellblazer]

Wow...Paulk6 negged me for stating my opinion about these reasons on the first page when I didn't even know they weren't targetting gay people. Paul, you know better. Read before you neg!

[Warcow]

This is what you fail to see. This thread does raise the question to some degree. Thats because it raises it on these forums. Thats where you say it doesn't matter where it is raised:

This isn't the first time the issue of homosexuality has been raised on these forums. You might as well say it's insulting to black people to say that people who are racist against black people are idiots. That is the same exact argument you are using here. This isn't logical Dirka, you KNOW it isn't logical, I know how smart you can be, I've seen it quite often. I know you aren't stupid enough to believe what you're saying. What I do know is that you will try anything to not be proved wrong, and that is exactly what you're doing now.. Don't try to claim otherwise, every single one of us here know the truth.


You are with a friend, who is gay. Out of knowhere, you list those things, and say how dumb they are. Do they laugh? Do they get offended? I could see them laughing cause its true, those things are dumb. I could see them get offended, because what person wants to talk about false ignorant arguments against their very way of life? Not relevant, it isn't out of no where. This issue is huge today, it's on the lips of many people. If I had just recently been watching an anti-gay rally, and was walking with my gay friend, he would not be insulted by me bringing it up and saying:

Dude, I totally don't understand why people are such prejudiced idiots, I saw them make some points like *insert point from list here* Yeah right, because *insert complete valid contradiction to point that makes the original one look idiotic*

My friend would not be offended, he would agree with me, LAUGH and probably crack a few jokes of his own.

[Realist]

As Jeff stated, these were actual points raised.

I doubt it. Well, if Jeff gets it, we'll see. :)

This list never said that all people who argue against gay rights make stupid arguments, merely that these ones which HAVE been used, are REALLY stupid.

It never said either directly. However, it is clearly satirizing reasons people give for why homosexuality should be illegal as a whole, and is not meant to be taken as merely an attack on a select extreme of the homophobes. Otherwise the original source would be necessary to make it make sense, which is clearly not the case. I searched the five first pages in google and found nothing about the original source (not that I doubt that the original source exists, the loss of that information is just part of the nature of internet lists).

It sort of does make sense to certain types of mindsets that the general marriage tradition should not be changed. That doesn't mean that these people necessarily have no recognition that marriage has changed before. To make that stretch is, in my mind, both bad logic and bad humour.

[Realist]

And look, from the site Jeffery posted:

Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.

The "it hasn't changed at all" part is bolded; it was an add-on and exaggeration to the original.

[Jeffery]

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/009/18.51.html

Bot the original I am looking for, but one of several "lists" made saying why gay marriage is bad, giving reasons why for each. You can see many of the similarities betweent he lists. I will keep looking for the one I am thinking of.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/107/41.0.html
Another earlier work that was around the same time the parody list was made.

[ent__89]

Learz, what the hell were you thinking? You thought posting this would be harmless fun? You thought it might bring your rep up? I bet you think you are so funny and clever, huh? News flash, this is offensive.....
My bigest problem is your blatent disregard the seriousness of the gay mariage subject. You make it seem like mariage is just a ceremonie in which a piece of paper is signed and words are exchanged, but in reality married couples get bennefits, and preventing gays from ataining such benefits would, and is immoral and against constitutional rights......

I cant tell you how many people have argued the point(not necessarily in this thread) that mariage would be taking away the thing that is theirs, but they are wrong....these people who say this should be shunned by churches, they are being greedy(one of the seven DEADLY sins) and missing the whole point of marraige in general.....

Back on subject, this thread should never have been created, it is making a mocary of a major issue in our country today, so i ask you this Learz, WTF?
end rant, hehehe

[dirka dirka]

Not relevant, it isn't out of no where. This issue is huge today, it's on the lips of many people. If I had just recently been watching an anti-gay rally, and was walking with my gay friend, he would not be insulted by me bringing it up and saying:
So its not relevant, because the topic isn't out of nowhere? Yes it is out of nowhere. I don't care how huge it is. You can bring this topic up in the middle of a conversation, out of nowhere.

BTW: He might not be offended, thats one person. Guess what? I just went to a "gay" IRC channel and said these words "Hey, I was just wondering if anybody could discuss quickly with me the false arguments made against your way of life." Guess what happened?

[Jeffery]

Dirka, the very basis of your argument is that gays are offended that such a list would be discussed.

The list was made BY gays. The posting of the list originally was done BY gays. A good majority of a compaign to spread the list was done BY gays.

So, your entire argument here is saying that gays in the first placed are the ones offending gays.

[dirka dirka]

Dirka, the very basis of your argument is that gays are offended that such a list would be discussed.
You misunderstand my argument. My argument is that some gays might not want to talk about all the things that some in society think is wrong with them. They already know what the idiots think.

[Learz]

ent....?
1) get a life
2) read before you post
3) I understand why you have a red box.

[Jeffery]

You misunderstand my argument. My argument is that some gays might not want to talk about all the things that some in society think is wrong with them. They already know what the idiots think.

So, using that logic, no one should ever discuss anything anyone might not want to discuss.

So, no more politics, global warming, minority rights, gay rights, womens rights, blocking, game styles, spamming, cheating, dishonesty, or basically ANY thread.

Yes, your "logic" works perfectly. :rolleyes:

[Warcow]

So its not relevant, because the topic isn't out of nowhere? Yes it is out of nowhere. I don't care how huge it is. You can bring this topic up in the middle of a conversation, out of nowhere.

Thats what the forums are for Dirka, bringing in arguments and conversations. It's not like he interupted another thread . . . :rolleyes: We've had abortion discussions, religious discussions, every other discussion uder the sun . . . Why do you now argue that this one is offensive? Oh wait, thats right! Because you looked like a tool at the beggining :)

BTW: He might not be offended, thats one person. Guess what? I just went to a "gay" IRC channel and said these words "Hey, I was just wondering if anybody could discuss quickly with me the false arguments made against your way of life." Guess what happened?
No you didn't, but for the sake of argument . . .

That doesn't even come close to what Learz did, Learz posted someone's faulty logic that included hugely insulting sterotypes, getting torn to SHREDS. If you did go in the way you did, it's because you're going in like a retard.

Had you copy pasted that exact list, put it into IRC and said "ROFL! I can't believe how stupid some of the people are who make idiotic arguments against gay rights!" You would have a very warm reception, though someone might say that it's old news, which DID happen here.

That is how Learz went in, that was the message he was getting across. Some people didn't get it, and thought it was insulting at first, then when they did understand, knew that it wasn't insulting in any way.

[dirka dirka]

No you didn't, but for the sake of argument . . .
Yes I did. I was banned within 5 minutes of saying it, in which time not one person had talked at all. I'm done with this argument. I proved it to myself. If you want to prove it to yourself, then do it. It was a channel on the efnet server.

[Warcow]

Yes I did. I was banned within 5 minutes of saying it, in which time not one person had talked at all. I'm done with this argument. I proved it to myself. If you want to prove it to yourself, then do it. It was a channel on the efnet server.
If you actually did, thats because you went into a CHAT channel, that is designed FOR gay people, to talk to gay people. They don't want a debate on their hands, nor do they want to explain it when they are socializing. '

You take things out of context ALL the time! I don't understand how you can believe your logic (Which I still think you don't) when it has so many fallacies . . . Yeesh.

[dirka dirka]

Its weird how you can draw such a defined conclusion from such a broad area of dispute.

[ent__89]

I have read the whole post guys, and i think that it is not a subject to be taken so lightly, it needs more consideration than a post on a game website......ent out

[Hellblazer]

ent....?
1) get a life
2) read before you post
3) I understand why you have a red box.
4) I helped with that red box.

[Wizzy`]

I have read the whole post guys, and i think that it is not a subject to be taken so lightly, it needs more consideration than a post on a game website......ent out

Ack! Hes back!

*hides* :*ph34r:


~Monkey boy.

[dirka dirka]

4) I helped with that red box.
as did I

[Hellblazer]

And yet pualk6 still negged me for not getting the point of the post on the first page.:dry:
*gets over it*

[ent__89]

yup, you guys did, and it was for a totaly different reason

[Hellblazer]

yup, you guys did, and it was for a totaly different reason
No, I negged you on this thread.:p

[ent__89]

o, my bad hellblazer, i wasnt necesarily counting you in that comment, but i still would like to know the reasoning behind your neg-rep...

[dirka dirka]

o, my bad hellblazer, i wasnt necesarily counting you in that comment, but i still would like to know the reasoning behind your neg-rep...
LICK ME

[Hellblazer]

o, my bad hellblazer, i wasnt necesarily counting you in that comment, but i still would like to know the reasoning behind your neg-rep...
Duh! You didn't read before you posted. We're 11 pages into this thread and you still didn't know the list criticized people that don't like gays.

[ent__89]

I spent a long time ready every single post made in this thread, so much for your argument, and everything i said i stand by, the way this was gone about is completely insulting

[mushroom_girl]

I spent a long time ready every single post made in this thread, so much for your argument, and everything i said i stand by, the way this was gone about is completely insulting
You do know that the first post isn't about insulting gay people, right?

[Hellblazer]

I spent a long time ready every single post made in this thread, so much for your argument, and everything i said i stand by, the way this was gone about is completely insulting
The first post still isn't tragetting gay people, but the people that hate them instead.:dry:

[Warcow]

I spent a long time ready every single post made in this thread, so much for your argument, and everything i said i stand by, the way this was gone about is completely insulting

If you read it you certainly didn't understand it :)

Like we've pointed out to Dirka, nothing in this thread is offensive to gay people. The people that laughed at it, are all in support for gay rights.

[Swartzstrom]

Duh! You didn't read before you posted. We're 11 pages into this thread and you still didn't know the list criticized people that don't like gays.

Knowing Ent, he read the entire Thread before he posted. And he's smart enough to get the point too, I believe. And the 'cleverness' behind the original post.

[ent__89]

You do know that the first post isn't about insulting gay people, right?
I know it wasnt intended to insult gays, that doesnt mean it didnt happen, i was insulted by the first post and some of the ones that followed it, end of discussion

[mushroom_girl]

I know it wasnt intended to insult gays, that doesnt mean it didnt happen, i was insulted by the first post and some of the ones that followed it, end of discussion
I'm Sorry. But that wasn't the intention.

[Hellblazer]

I know it wasnt intended to insult gays, that doesnt mean it didnt happen, i was insulted by the first post and some of the ones that followed it, end of discussion
*gasp*
So you're saying you're gay?
Besides, the reasons, if you read them a few times, are definitely just mock reasons to hate gays. They don't directly insult gays without being sarcastic.

[dirka dirka]

Like we've pointed out to Dirka, nothing in this thread is offensive to gay people. The people that laughed at it, are all in support for gay rights.
You mean, like you failed to point out, and still won't accept failure. I proved it to myself, I went on IRC, and was banned for this reason. You don't get banned for nothing. Think what you want, but you know the truth.

[Warcow]

You mean, like you failed to point out, and still won't accept failure. I proved it to myself, I went on IRC, and was banned for this reason. You don't get banned for nothing. Think what you want, but you know the truth.

Oh Dirka . . . that is so very you . . .

You may have gotten banned, but it was not because gay people are insulted by you saying that people make idiotic reasons against gay marriage.

Your test is flawed, your logic is flawed, everyone here but you knows and admits it :)

[mushroom_girl]

You mean, like you failed to point out, and still won't accept failure. I proved it to myself, I went on IRC, and was banned for this reason. You don't get banned for nothing. Think what you want, but you know the truth.
:dry:

Here we go again.... *gets prepared for argument*

[dirka dirka]

Oh Dirka . . . that is so very you . . .

You may have gotten banned, but it was not because gay people are insulted by you saying that people make idiotic reasons against gay marriage.

Your test is flawed, your logic is flawed, everyone here but you knows and admits it :)
Yeap yeap. Its amazing the insight you have into people you have obviously little understanding of. You even know why they banned me! Then, you know what everyone else here thinks! Tell me... how many fingers am I holding up?

[ent__89]

You guys dont seem to fully understand me, its not the reasons that insult me, its how light such a serious subject was talked about, and it is a subject that i believe should be left out of this forum as it can do nothing but hurt the bonds of some players, it is a subject that most have imbedded into their mind and you most likely will not be able to change any minds, thus just making a hateful argument, it was pointless and not very well thought out

[Swartzstrom]

Yeap yeap. Its amazing the insight you have into people you have obviously little understanding of. You even know why they banned me! Then, you know what everyone else here thinks! Tell me... how many fingers am I holding up?

One. And I'm thinking the middle one. ^_^

[dirka dirka]

One. And I'm thinking the middle one. ^_^
Amazingly, Swartzstrom has more insight into my thinking than even the all understanding Warcow.

[Warcow]

Yeap yeap. Its amazing the insight you have into people you have obviously little understanding of. You even know why they banned me! Then, you know what everyone else here thinks! Tell me... how many fingers am I holding up?

Again, doesn't apply :) I'm telling you you have your logic wrong, you have a confounding variable in youe experiment. Namely you used the chat channel for something it wasn't supposed to be used for.

I know what everyone else here thinks because they POSTED what they think Dirka :dry: I never said I was psychic :rolleyes:

[Swartzstrom]

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/4917/shinyisonline5on.jpg

Hey look, Shiny's online.[/changesubject]

[dirka dirka]

Again, doesn't apply :) I'm telling you you have your logic wrong, you have a confounding variable in youe experiment. Namely you used the chat channel for something it wasn't supposed to be used for.

I know what everyone else here thinks because they POSTED what they think Dirka :dry: I never said I was psychic :rolleyes:
The channel was made for gay people to not feel alone. So they had a place to talk, and what not. I fail to see why they would ban someone who wanted some insight. I'd think they would more than welcome someone wanting insight. However, I doubt they would want to talk about previous idiotic statements that have been used for the last 2,000 years.

Everybody did not post on how they think my logic is flawed. ->"Your test is flawed, your logic is flawed, everyone here but you knows and admits it." You give yourself too little credit. You can read minds.

[Warcow]

You guys dont seem to fully understand me, its not the reasons that insult me, its how light such a serious subject was talked about, and it is a subject that i believe should be left out of this forum as it can do nothing but hurt the bonds of some players, it is a subject that most have imbedded into their mind and you most likely will not be able to change any minds, thus just making a hateful argument, it was pointless and not very well thought out

I think satire is a completely acceptable criticism of poor logic. That is all that list was, a simple sarcastic reply to a poorly thought out argument wich has been used by many ignorant people.

I don't see that as making light of the topic at all. We never said that gay rights a good topic to make excuses to crack jokes.

Remember that this particular satirical list was created BY gay activitsts, that take the matter VERY seriously.

[Warcow]

The channel was made for gay people to not feel alone. So they had a place to talk, and what not. I fail to see why they would ban someone who wanted some insight. Really? You don't see why people feeling blue about being descriminated against wouldn't want a debate brought up in the support channel? Geez Dirka, you're getting less insightful as the minutes go on.

Everybody did not post on how they think my logic is flawed. ->"Your test is flawed, your logic is flawed, everyone here but you knows and admits it." You give yourself too little credit. You can read minds.

I suppose Jeff didn't refute what you've been saying then. Nor did Mushroom girl, or Realist, Or Swartz . . . I may have been a touch broad in saying "everyone" but by everyone, I meant the people who have been active in the discussion, and actually got the satire in the first post.

[Hellblazer]

Hey look, Shiny's online.[/changesubject]
Ok....

[dirka dirka]

Really? You don't see why people feeling blue about being descriminated against would want a debate brought up in the support channel? Geez Dirka, you're getting less insightful as the minutes go on.
Who said anything about debate? Who said anything about a support channel? Who said anything about people feeling blue about being descriminated against? Thats just more mind reading coming from The Great Warcow. I don't see why those proud of their way of life would not want to allow others insight.


I suppose Jeff didn't refute what you've been saying then. Nor did Mushroom girl, or Realist, Or Swartz . . . I may have been a touch broad in saying "everyone" but by everyone, I meant the people who have been active in the discussion, and actually got the satire in the first post.
Me and shroom came to a mutual conclusion. I don't even remember what Jeff said, or what Realist said, or swartz. It doesn't matter. They've said nothing on the topic of the IRC channel.

[Warcow]

Who said anything about debate? Who said anything about a support channel? Who said anything about people feeling blue about being descriminated against?
The channel was made for gay people to not feel alone.
That is a support channel, it's a logical inference.

Thats just more mind reading coming from The Great Warcow. I don't see why those proud of their way of life would not want to allow others insight.
They wont, provided you ask your questions in the right places. Go a forum where gay rights are being discussed by gay-activists, and you'll get all the explanations you want.

It's funny how many logical fallacies you're using.

The current one: Argument against the person.

Premise 1: Warcow thinks he knows everything.
Premise 2: Warcow says statement A is false.
Conclusion: What Warcow says is false.

Logical fallacy Dirka, whether or not I believe I know everything (which I don't) isn't irrelevant to the discussion. My opinions of myself don't affect the truth or falsity of my claims.

Me and shroom came to a mutual conclusion. I don't even remember what Jeff said, or what Realist said, or swartz. It doesn't matter. They've said nothing on the topic of the IRC channel.
I was talking about your original logic of that it's insulting to gay people, not the specific example of the IRC chat channel. Which I am fairly certain, if any of them posted again, they would agree with me on.

[Realist]

Dirka goes to gay support channels?

Hmm....

[dirka dirka]

That is a support channel, it's a logical inference.
That seems fairly insulting... support for what?


They wont, provided you ask your questions in the right places. Go a forum where gay rights are being discussed by gay-activists, and you'll get all the explanations you want.
I didn't want explanations. I wanted to see in a casual area, if the topic was brought up, what happened... like I was giving examples of. Wow, I was banned.

It's funny how many logical fallacies you're using. Coming from the one that claims he can read minds.

Premise 1: Warcow thinks he knows everything.
Premise 2: Warcow says statement A is false.
Conclusion: What Warcow says is false.
Stuck up much? I don't care if God himself was saying what you're saying. I'm debating it, because I still see nothing wrong with what I've said, and plenty wrong with what you've said.

I was talking about your original logic of that it's insulting to gay people, not the specific example of the IRC chat channel. Which I am fairly certain, if any of them posted again, they would agree with me on.
Yeap. Cause you can read their minds, right? Funny, how I confronted them, and I was right. However, since you can read minds and change the fabric of time, you think you're right... seriously, the only way you're right is if you can do that.

[Warcow]

That seems fairly insulting... support for what? It's not insulting, there are multiple support channels for gay/bisexual people, because they DO get discriminated against, and they need someone to talk to sometimes.

I didn't want explanations. I wanted to see in a casual area, if the topic was brought up, what happened... like I was giving examples of. Wow, I was banned. You didn't go to a casual area, you went to a support channel. Not to mention you have 0 support for this claim, no screenshots, not evidence, just heresay.

Coming from the one that claims he can read minds. It's not mind-reading Dirka. If you want me to dig up all the posts of the people that disagreed with you, I will.

Stuck up much? I don't care if God himself was saying what you're saying. I'm debating it, because I still see nothing wrong with what I've said, and plenty wrong with what you've said.
That was what you've been saying about me, it has nothing to do with my opinions. You are using emotively charged language to try and make my position look false. That is a logical fallacy, and that is what is wrong with what you've been saying. There has been nothing wrong with what I have said so far.

Yeap. Cause you can read their minds, right? Funny, how I confronted them, and I was right. However, since you can read minds and change the fabric of time, you think you're right... seriously, the only way you're right is if you can do that.
Nope, because I can deduce that if they disagreed with you before on the EXACT SAME TOPIC, that they are going to do so again. You really aren't doing anything but making yourself look foolish with arguments like this . . .

[dirka dirka]

You didn't go to a casual area, you went to a support channel.
Alright. I'm done. I've tried to point this out many times, and you are just too fixed to realize. It was not a support channel. It was a channel for gay people to talk to eachother. No, not support eachother. You saying its a support channel is offensive, because that is saying that no matter what they do, they need support. This channel WAS NOT A SUPPORT CHANNEL. Didn't me saying you could read minds not point this out? You assume WAY to much. NOT A SUPPORT CHANNEL

[Warcow]

Alright. I'm done. I've tried to point this out many times, and you are just too fixed to realize. It was not a support channel. It was a channel for gay people to talk to eachother. No, not support eachother. You saying its a support channel is offensive, because that is saying that no matter what they do, they need support. This channel WAS NOT A SUPPORT CHANNEL. Didn't me saying you could read minds not point this out? You assume WAY to much. NOT A SUPPORT CHANNEL

Show me the screenshots?

Also, even if it wasn't a support channel, are you gay?

You've said no in the past, therefore, you were somewhere where you shouldn't have been. You went in with "you people" showing you clearly wern't gay (or so you claim) Did you expect to be accepted? If you were the only white guy at a black rally, despite the fact that you were all for, would you be accepted?

EDIT* Also, I never said they all need support Dirka, I said there are support channels out there for gay/bisexual people, because they DO need them sometimes. Just like there are support channels for people with cancer, or people with who are suffering from an identity crisis. You said the channel was for gay people, it was either for support, or for gay people to talk to other gay people. Either way, it wasn't for you, and you got booted. It doesn't have anything to do with them being insulted by you saying that arguments against gay-rights are stupid.

[dirka dirka]

Show me the screenshots?
When did I say I took screenshots?

Also, even if it wasn't a support channel, are you gay?

You've said no in the past, therefore, you were somewhere where you shouldn't have been. You went in with "you people" showing you clearly wern't gay (or so you claim) Did you expect to be accepted? If you were the only white guy at a black rally, despite the fact that you were all for, would you be accepted?
Let me say this very slow, so as you don't try and warp it into your own little way of thinking.

The channel was not #gayonly.
The channel was not #gaysupport.
The channel was for anybody, but was focused on the topic of being gay.

This is my last post here. You can warp this however you want, like you did to everything else I posted.

[Swartzstrom]

Will you guys just drop it? I mean, damn. C'mon! You guys are arguing like children! Warcow has his opinions, thoughts, and views, and dirka has his opinions, thoughts, and views! Don't debate something neither one of you can win, nor be right! This is stupid and pointless! Come to an agreement and drop the subject! This is exactly why Threads like this should be posted! Someone always ends up arguing about something that offended them! Just drop it and walk away, both of you!

[Faulty Logic]

^^that is a moot point warcow.

If someone is up for the cause and FULL heartedly believe then yes.

Dirka isn't tryign to argue, he's trying to separate what he did and what you said.


I odnt understand how a satire can be turned into a war about gays and gay rights. If yu guys seriously care that much about them then there's a problem. It doesnt affect you, it doesnt physically mentally or emotioonally hurt you so let it go.

[Warcow]

When did I say I took screenshots?
So you make false claims to back false logic,

Nice :)


Let me say this very slow, so as you don't try and warp it into your own little way of thinking.

The channel was not #gayonly.
The channel was not #gaysupport.
The channel was for anybody, but was focused on the topic of being gay.

This is my last post here. You can warp this however you want, like you did to everything else I posted.

What was the exact description of the channel? Where was it? Can you prove you've been banned? Dirka, you have 0 support for what you've said, try to get some real backing, and then you'll have something to argue with.

[dirka dirka]

So you make false claims to back false logic,
Its a shame I can't neg you for calling me a liar.

[Shiny Flors]

I read the first 12 pasges of this post but had to go soon so sorry if this point was made,

To those who think someone might find the original post offensive:

I find it offensive when highschool kids swear in public. I find it offensive when people use poor manners in a restaurant. I find it offensive when fat people complain about being fat and do nothign to try and lose weight. I find it offensive when people don't take responsibility for their actions. Many people find many different things offensive. Does this mean we shouldn't ever talk to anyone, go out in public, or interact with anyone because something we say or do might be offensive? Stop complaining about things being offensive, repeatedly. Ask the person to stop what they are doing that is offending you. If they don't, don't go to the threads called Gay!?! Nay, and hope nothing offensive will be in them.

[Warcow]

Swartz, Faulty;

This is an open discussion forum, if you don't like to see arguments, DON'T READ THEM.

I will argue with Dirka until he realizes he has no valid points for why this post was in poor taste. I am tired of letting these idiots that think they have it right "win" simply because most people, myself included, usually lack the stamina to prove them wrong.

[Swartzstrom]

Swartz, Faulty;

This is an open discussion forum, if you don't like to see arguments, DON'T READ THEM.

I will argue with Dirka until he realizes he has no valid points for why this post was in poor taste. I am tired of letting these idiots that think they have it right "win" simply because most people, myself included, usually lack the stamina to prove them wrong.

I don't like to see arguments between my friends! Is that wrong!? What exactly is wrong with that!? Absolutely NOTHING! I want you two to stop arguing, make up, and go back to being friends or quiet acquaintences, or whatever the hell you are! This is stupid now! You're simply arguing matters of opinion! No matter what either one of you say, the other isn't going to back down! Stop!

[Warcow]

Its a shame I can't neg you for calling me a liar.

Your negs mean about as little as ones from DHO, they are always little hissy-fit negs. I'll admit there is a possiblity you aren't lying, but with comments like the one I made, I'm making you put-up or shut-up.

You can't just come in, make claims of things you've done, and use them as proof. If you are going to use something as proof, make sure you HAVE proof. This is an argument, if you say "well I did this!" I am going to say "Prove it"

Anyone can use a possible situation as a refutation, but if they don't have any proof of it, it doesn't matter. What is your response?

PROVE IT

[Northwind]

I odnt understand how a satire can be turned into a war about gays and gay rights. If yu guys seriously care that much about them then there's a problem. It doesnt affect you, it doesnt physically mentally or emotioonally hurt you so let it go.
FL,

This turned into a "war" only because dirka has once again dug in his heels and absolutely refused to accept logic, all while claiming to be logical. It would be surprising if we hadn't seen it so many times before.

As for your next sentence, are you implying that gay rights should only affect gays? Should equal rights based on race or gender only affect African-Americans or women? No. These affect me because they are basic HUMAN rights and I am human. I would have thought you were as well.

[dirka dirka]

I find it offensive when highschool kids swear in public. I find it offensive when people use poor manners in a restaurant. I find it offensive when fat people complain about being fat and do nothign to try and lose weight. I find it offensive when people don't take responsibility for their actions. Many people find many different things offensive. Does this mean we shouldn't ever talk to anyone, go out in public, or interact with anyone because something we say or do might be offensive? Stop complaining about things being offensive, repeatedly. Ask the person to stop what they are doing that is offending you. If they don't, don't go to the threads called Gay!?! Nay, and hope nothing offensive will be in them.
You know... you made some very very good points in that. Made me realize some stuff, thats true regardless of if this is offensive or not.

[dirka dirka]

Your negs mean about as little as ones from DHO, they are always little hissy-fit negs. I'll admit there is a possiblity you aren't lying, but with comments like the one I made, I'm making you put-up or shut-up.

You can't just come in, make claims of things you've done, and use them as proof. If you are going to use something as proof, make sure you HAVE proof. This is an argument, if you say "well I did this!" I am going to say "Prove it"

Anyone can use a possible situation as a refutation, but if they don't have any proof of it, it doesn't matter. What is your response?

PROVE IT
Prove what, Warcow? I did do what I said I did. You tried to make excuses for why they banned me. Just cause I don't have a ss, doesn't mean its not true that it happened. Seriously. Don't call me a liar. I'm anything but.

[mushroom_girl]

I think we all need some hot cocoa and some cookies. Maybe a nap. Or some tranquillisers. :dry:

Dirka and Warcow, you guys are silly. Warcow, you know that Dirka is not going to back down until his head hits the keyboard. Even though it doesn't seem like Dirka is being very logical, there's no point in getting wrapped up in this hooplah. It's just going in circles again and again!

[Faulty Logic]

no, not at all northwind.

My sentence came out wrong, and i retract what i said. I wil try to be more alert to how i am posting what i post. I personally am an advocate for gay rights, and all other issues of current.

Choice
Choice
Choice,
we all should have the freedom of choice.

after all, aren't we in america?:confused: :huh:

I meant it in the way that it is silly to debate over a fine point in Dirkas logic that doesnt truly pertain to the rights of gays DIRECTLY. It came out wrong and I realize that...people make mistakes and I'm willing to admit that.

[Warcow]

Prove what, Warcow? I did do what I said I did. You tried to make excuses for why they banned me. Just cause I don't have a ss, doesn't mean its not true that it happened.

Alright, from now on whenever you argue for something, I am going to claim I have done something that totally refutes it. I will have no proof for anything of these things I will claim to have done, but I will expect you to accept them as proof. Is that fair?

Seriously. Don't call me a liar. I'm anything but.

Are you sure about that Rachael? :)

[Faulty Logic]

hmm i think that was i little uncalled for, he (dirka) already stated his apologies and such about that and you are trying to further your argument by attacking a point in the past (however valid) that cannot be defended, personally i think you should base character off of what dirka has shown (or not shown for that matter)

[dirka dirka]

Alright, from now on whenever you argue for something, I am going to claim I have done something that totally refutes it. I will have no proof for anything of these things I will claim to have done, but I will expect you to accept them as proof. Is that fair?