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Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 01:08 PM
These creatures used their looming appearance to scare and frighten would be attackers. Their massive size squelched any amount of fight left in any enemy.

Defiance Golem edits in white
HP: 60
Armor: 0
Blocking: 0
Power: N/A
Range: 4
Recovery: 3
Movement: 2

The Golem chooses one unit within 4 squares, no LoS. This attack is not a focus attack, the selected unit has normal stats, except it cannot attack until it takes damage.
Once the unit is damaged it is free to attack - ~~ - Blocking doesn't count.

Can be used to stall an opponent from attacking, or could make them attack their own unit to be able to attack.

~~~ Effect continues to work if the Deffiance Golem is killed.

bobdagangsta
11-24-2005, 01:15 PM
I like that unit good job.

Vicious1
11-24-2005, 01:16 PM
Pretty Good. I don't get why it doesn't have focus. Like the name and everything. Ask Kyir. He's a good unit maker. He might have some suggestions for you. But in my oponion this unit would get a 9.5 in a scale of 10.

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 01:18 PM
Is the no Los, ok, or doe sit detract from its tactical usage? Obviously it can be used as a first turn GA stopper, but it can have many other application in mid to late game.

I think the range is ok for no LoS...I dont know how to change it if I were to add los, which is why I probably wont. But the range I think is solid... and thanks for the compliment.

golden man
11-24-2005, 01:18 PM
I like its ability

Vicious1
11-24-2005, 01:19 PM
Is the no Los, ok, or doe sit detract from its tactical usage? Obviously it can be used as a first turn GA stopper, but it can have many other application in mid to late game.

I think the range is ok for no LoS...I dont know how to change it if I were to add los, which is why I probably wont. But the range I think is solid... and thanks for the compliment.

I don't think u should add Los. Ur unit is good the way it is. I like the idea about the ga stopper. Excellent Job! :p

bobdagangsta
11-24-2005, 01:19 PM
the LOS is fine.

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 01:19 PM
Pretty Good. I don't get why it doesn't have focus. Like the name and everything. Ask Kyir. He's a good unit maker. He might have some suggestions for you. But in my oponion this unit would get a 9.4 in a scale of 10.



It doesnt have focus because it would detract from the point, they can't attack until they are damaged, if it were focus, it would give your opponenet an alternative route to letting their unit attack, which is not what I want for this unit.

Vicious1
11-24-2005, 01:22 PM
It doesnt have focus because it would detract from the point, they can't attack until they are damaged, if it were focus, it would give your opponenet an alternative route to letting their unit attack, which is not what I want for this unit.

O. I get it. Srry about that. I'll edit my post and change that. I forgot to do that. I read it over thouroughly and i got it. As i said before, Excellent Job :p

bobdagangsta
11-24-2005, 01:22 PM
Faulty Logic from what i can tell you put a lot of thought into this unit.

Edit: Vicious stop doing this all this time: :p

Its starting to get on my nerves

Swordz
11-24-2005, 01:25 PM
I like the unit itself, but I dont see where I would use it in a game. I mean, if I could choose between this and an Enchantress, I would go with the enchantress all the way. Sorry, but I don't think its anything special unless I'm missing something.

Vicious1
11-24-2005, 01:26 PM
Faulty Logic from what i can tell you put a lot of thought into this unit.

Edit: Vicious stop doing this all this time: :p

Its starting to get on my nerves

I like the toungue :p :p :p

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 01:29 PM
I like the unit itself, but I dont see where I would use it in a game. I mean, if I could choose between this and an Enchantress, I would go with the enchantress all the way. Sorry, but I don't think its anything special unless I'm missing something.

I see it as being in the middle of an anti instead of a frosty, or in a turtle, as a substitute for a furgy, it allows for more offensive capabilities, and anyways, if i could choose frosty or chanty, I sometimes choose chanty anyways....:confused:

And vicious1 please stop, Arguing online is like competing in the special Olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded.

Guilded Dragon
11-24-2005, 01:44 PM
i like the unit its very unique i also like the name...it hase a cool sound to it, defiance golem.....and i like that unlike most units it doesnt have to go into focus, nice job.

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 08:26 PM
thanks G D, I think the reason for no focus is better, because it makes your opponent prioritize each move, and your opponent could be forced into attacking himself inorder to attack.....

Use this on Lightning ward, B ward, Ga...etc.

Even in the mid game, if used on a scout, or DT, it could have devastating effects.

Guilded Dragon
11-24-2005, 08:28 PM
i c ur point i agree good job.

Mitosis
11-24-2005, 08:52 PM
Yea, this unit is far better than the ones I've seen today, including the one I made :bigsmile: It shows a lot of potential with it's abilities. I like this unit. Nice work. Effort reflects Good units. And this truly has shown to be a good unit.

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 08:55 PM
....... Guess I shouldn't tell people I came up with this unit in 5 minutes while waiting to leave to my g/f's house for thanks giving then, huh?

By the way, real southern cooking is the best for thanks giving. :cool: :bigsmile:

Hope all of us yank's had a good Turkey Day!
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I'm really pleased with this unit, I'm actually starting to contemplate possible strategies.........

Mitosis
11-24-2005, 08:56 PM
....... Guess I shouldn't tell people I came up with this unit in 5 minutes while waiting to leave to my g/f's house for thanks giving then, huh?

By the way, real southern cooking is the best for thanks giving. :cool: :bigsmile:

Hope all of us yank's had a good Turkey Day!
__________________________________________________ ________

I'm really pleased with this unit, I'm actually starting to contemplate possible strategies.........

Darn good unit for 5 minutes. You got a real talent there to make units.

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 09:01 PM
Darn good unit for 5 minutes. You got a real talent there to make units.

:blush2: :o :notworth: Thanks.

Mitosis
11-24-2005, 09:02 PM
:blush2: :o :notworth: Thanks.

np:) you deserve it.

Faulty Logic
11-24-2005, 09:42 PM
any other comments?:confused: :huh:

†twilight_drag†
11-24-2005, 10:06 PM
Very nice idea, and i agree with everyone the LOS is fine Ga stopper is awesome :) this just earned you a rep :D

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 07:45 AM
I was thinking about this unit in an anti-rush the other day, in a place similar to a froty,and it made me question the range.

~~Now I think 5 may be too much, but I don't know; I'm caught between a range of 4 or 5.

Guilded Dragon
11-25-2005, 07:52 AM
hmmm lets c i think 5 is ok but of course ur choice

Hellblazer
11-25-2005, 08:10 AM
Hmm...simple, yet useful. Nice work. This couls turn out to be quite tactical, actually.

bludhoundz
11-25-2005, 08:15 AM
I actually think its good WITH a GA.

Think about it, knock cleric down to 4 hp, then do this attack on it. They can't heal with it unless they kill it, and theres no point in killing it - it just becomes like a shrub on the field. You can keep that active until you bring your mud down and quake to its death.

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 08:18 AM
Thats why I'm debating changing the range to 4.

Also, If I had one, I could go ahead and attack your defiance golemn,and so and so forth......

But the range of 4 would decrease the potential for abuse, but might reduce effectiveness.

~~~Or i could change it so it can only attack combat units...seeing as Seed is able to put that into code for the furgy attack.
**or just no cleric.

bludhoundz
11-25-2005, 08:19 AM
The frost goes by with 4 range - I think it would be best to lower it.

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 08:21 AM
I agree, I think 4 works best. And also, it adds to the tactical use, should i use a frsoty or the deffiance?

~~frosty can be used to stop a unit, and is easier to kill, but it focus.

~~Deffiance Golem can be used to stop a unit from attacking, but it can still move, but it isnt focus, and CAN affect more than one unit.....

Forest_Archer
11-25-2005, 08:37 AM
Very unique idea you have here, FL.

I have one comment- This unit would force draws in the endgame. You know that, right?

And by the way, isn't it spelled "Golem" not "Golemn"? :p

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 08:42 AM
Very unique idea you have here, FL.

I have one comment- This unit would force draws in the endgame. You know that, right?

And by the way, isn't it spelled "Golem" not "Golemn"? :p

thanks.... yes i though of that, but so does a frosty...well that WINS it for you... but, you get what im saying.... it just adds tactics, as to keeping units around.

3, I believe it is actually spelled golemn, if its not I stand corrected. (I'm talking in the dictionary spelling (dictionary.com)

Edit ^^ I stand corrected.

Cuathon
11-25-2005, 12:35 PM
Nice, it's a well balanced and interesting addtion. i would use this in any type of form.

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 01:07 PM
thanks cauthon, I can really see using this as a replacement of a frosty is some forms, but I dont know, Should I change it back to 5? because I think that's what makes it able to replace the frosty. I'm not sure....

Maybe I'll add a poll.

Can I add a poll to the original post? Or not?

Guilded Dragon
11-25-2005, 03:20 PM
mabe that would be a good idea, ive played a meber before and this unit would definently be better than frostie. again good job.

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 03:25 PM
thanks G D. But what do you guys think about the range? 4 or 5?

Guilded Dragon
11-25-2005, 03:26 PM
5 or even higher mabey

Cuathon
11-25-2005, 03:53 PM
it's good at 4. it would waste a cleric if it were higher.

Faulty Logic
11-25-2005, 08:43 PM
I agree, anything over four is overkill, as blud showed me.

*ace*
11-25-2005, 08:47 PM
4 is good 5 is way to high you want a fair unit right :p then pick 4 :)

Faulty Logic
11-26-2005, 08:18 AM
**notice edits on first page**

It's at 4 now.