Christian Thread

[deathbydarkness]

Ok i know i will probably get negged alot for making this thread because man today is in such denial to their creator....but i will do it anyway.....

This thread is for christians to talk about chrisitan stuff. Post your favorite verse of the Bible and any other christian things ya wanna talk about....

When i say christian i mean that you believe that GOD created the universe our of NOTHING, JESUS came to earth to die on the cross for mans sins, and the ONLY way to heaven is to acknowledge that you are a sinner and to ask for forgivness for your sin so that CHRIST comes into your heart and saves you...


ok i will start off....my favorite verse is Matthew 10:27 "...with GOD all things are possible."

[Office_Shredder]

They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them

Now that's some hard core sex drive :) Please be understanding, we didn't steal enough women when we destroyed the last city! (Judges 21)

[imagination]

i like the book leviticus. there is alot of f*cked up shit in that book.:-) ya i dont mean to offend anyone but i posted here cause he gave me a link to come here.

[deathbydarkness]

Now that's some hard core sex drive :) Please be understanding, we didn't steal enough women when we destroyed the last city! (Judges 21)

YOU MUST READ CONTEXT before you start blurting out parts of the bible like that....the bible DOES NOT put that up as an example but as a thing not to do!:angry:

i like the book leviticus. there is alot of f*cked up shit in that book.:-) ya i dont mean to offend anyone but i posted here cause he gave me a link to come here.

i gave you the link because you had a question not to come here and use profanity!

[†Crusader†]

John 3:16
For God so loved the world he gave us his only son, so the world shall not perrish

[x-useme]

meh, Christian thread? How about a thread for all religions.

[Office_Shredder]

YOU MUST READ CONTEXT before you start blurting out parts of the bible like that....the bible DOES NOT put that up as an example but as a thing not to do!:angry:

I never said it was the right thing to do.... I just said I liked the logic ;)

[deathbydarkness]

John 3:16
For God so loved the world he gave us his only son, so the world shall not perrish

very nice but you forgot the end....."should not persish, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE"

meh, Christian thread? How about a thread for all religions.

make your own thread for your own religions....to me there is only ONE religion

[Thash500]

There is no god.:cool:

[Forest_Archer]

Don't even get me started, you ignorant beast :)

[Liquid Swordsman]

Damn, your a Christian to? I never would of guessed :cool:

[deathbydarkness]

There is no god.:cool:

how can you say that....you are so small in comparison to him and you deny him? how can you do that? you are a pig to think that you are so great that you can say "there is not god" and be ok with that? i could go on about how stupid that comment is but its not even worth talking about.....

Damn, your a Christian to? I never would of guessed :cool:

is that a bad thing? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

p.s. please dont use profanity in my thread....take that somewhere else...

[Anarchy_United]

make your own thread for your own religions....to me there is only ONE religion
If theres one type of person I cant stand, its people with no religous tolerance. How would you like it if I told you that your wrong, stupid, and ignorant, and will burn in hell for your beliefs?
As a regular Christain you would flip out.

[deathbydarkness]

If theres one type of person I cant stand, its people with no religous tolerance. How would you like it if I told you that your wrong, stupid, and ignorant, and will burn in hell for your beliefs?
As a regular Christain you would flip out.

i would say prove it to me.....unless you can prove me wrong i will believe in THE LORD MY GOD!

[max2k106]

very nice but you forgot the end....."should not persish, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE"



make your own thread for your own religions....to me there is only ONE religion
To me, there can only be ONE Sherlock Holmes.

[Office_Shredder]

how can you say that....you are so small in comparison to him and you deny him? how can you do that? you are a pig to think that you are so great that you can say "there is not god" and be ok with that? i could go on about how stupid that comment is but its not even worth talking about.....


death, given the knowledge of science, can you cite ONE time that there has been an attempt to explain a phenomenon of nature that has actually failed? As long as science can bat 1.000, there really is very little space left for god to fill in the physical world.

[deathbydarkness]

To me, there can only be ONE Sherlock Holmes.

what in the world is that supposed to do with this thread?

[Anarchy_United]

Yo, just out of curiousity do you beleive The Pope is infallible? Because if so you probably wouldn't like the fact I often cyber with my account, The Pope, on GL.

[Anarchy_United]

death, given the knowledge of science, can you cite ONE time that there has been an attempt to explain a phenomenon of nature that has actually failed? As long as science can bat 1.000, there really is very little space left for god to fill in the physical world.
Great point, I apologize for the double post, but I dont know how to edit a quote into my post.

[deathbydarkness]

death, given the knowledge of science, can you cite ONE time that there has been an attempt to explain a phenomenon of nature that has actually failed? As long as science can bat 1.000, there really is very little space left for god to fill in the physical world.

you prolly believe in evolution right? science CANNOT prove that....

[deathbydarkness]

Yo, just out of curiousity do you beleive The Pope is infallible? Because if so you probably wouldn't like the fact I often cyber with my account, The Pope, on GL.

i dont believe in the pope....i am not catholic......im a god believing christian...

[max2k106]

i would say prove it to me.....unless you can prove me wrong i will believe in THE LORD MY GOD!
You just proved yourself wrong. Religion is based on faith and belief and no actual proof. There is more evidence saying that there is no god than saying that there is. In fact, there is no evidence saying that there is god . . .

And don't tell people that don't believe in god that they should be ashamed and they are stupid. You're entitled to your beliefs, we are entitled to our facts.

Anyways, I don't complete reject any possibility of an existance of god, I'm just one of those people that will believe something when they see it. When I see hard evidence that there is an existant god, I will believe in him/her.

[deathbydarkness]

You just proved yourself wrong. Religion is based on faith and belief and no actual proof. There is more evidence saying that there is no god than saying that there is. In fact, there is no evidence saying that there is god . . .

And don't tell people that don't believe in god that they should be ashamed and they are stupid. You're entitled to your beliefs, we are entitled to ours.

Anyways, I don't complete reject any possibility of an existance of god, I'm just one of those people that will believe something when they see it. When I see hard evidence that there is an existant god, I will believe in him/her.

you said there is no evidence? ALL OF CREATION POINTS TO A CREATOR!!! even public schools are trying to go to the theory of "intelligent design"...

[Cuathon]

god cant be proven not to exist silly man. since he is all powerful by definition we cant prove he is not there beyond our skills. aint that some purdy logic?

the only way to end this dicussion is prove he does exist. so? got any proof for me?:p

[Liquid Swordsman]

First of all stop capitalizing every sentence with the word God in it.

Second of all, your an ignorant moron. "GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE US BLAH,BLAH,BLAH" -Shut up. It's one thing to be religious, it's another thing to put down everyone else for their beliefs like you are doing. Have an open mind little boy, you'll see it helps when your so called "god" doesn't send you holy messages telling you what to do in each situation. Eventually that big book that you seem to be in love with won't give you all the answers.

Third of all, GROW A BACK BONE! Live life on your own, not being the slave of something you can't even prove is true. I don't mind people who believe in god, it doesn't bother me any, but when morons like you prance around preaching about how God is the answer to everything and he's the only one that can help us it REALLY pisses me off.

[deathbydarkness]

god cant be proven not to exist silly man. since he is all powerful by definition we cant prove he is not there beyond our skills. aint that some purdy logic?

the only way to end this dicussion is prove he does exist. so? got any proof for me?:p

there is no evidence that does not show forth the proclimation of a creator....no other theory of the world coming into existence is scientifically true.....THE BIBLE SAYS SO!!!! and if the bible is yet to be proven wrong why should we not believe something it says?

[max2k106]

you said there is no evidence? ALL OF CREATION POINTS TO A CREATOR!!! even public schools are trying to go to the theory of "intelligent design"...
So I can say that some guy named Joe made this computer that I am using right now. I can whole-heartedly believe that he did. Does that mean that he actually did create this computer? Does the existance of an object prove the existance of its creator even though there is no proof that this supposed creator created this object?

[Cuathon]

you said there is no evidence? ALL OF CREATION POINTS TO A CREATOR!!! even public schools are trying to go to the theory of "intelligent design"...


OMFG!:cool: i just had to respond to this.
are you nuts? science is just as believable. at least it is possible to determine if science doesnt prove everything. show me where existence points to god.

btw, i wonder if this guy is just trying to get a rise out of people with his religious rhetoric.

[deathbydarkness]

First of all stop capitalizing every sentence with the word God in it.

Second of all, your an ignorant moron. "GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE US BLAH,BLAH,BLAH" -Shut up. It's one thing to be religious, it's another thing to put down everyone else for their beliefs like you are doing. Have an open mind little boy, you'll see it helps when your so called "god" doesn't send you holy messages telling you what to do in each situation. Eventually that big book that you seem to be in love with won't give you all the answers.

Third of all, GROW A BACK BONE! Live life on your own, not being the slave of something you can't even prove is true. I don't mind people who believe in god, it doesn't bother me any, but when morons like you prance around preaching about how God is the answer to everything and he's the only one that can help us it REALLY pisses me off.

there is so much wrong with that statement i wont even take the time.....

So I can say that some guy named Joe made this computer that I am using right now. I can whole-heartedly believe that he did. Does that mean that he actually did create this computer? Does the existance of an object prove the existance of its creator even though there is no proof that this supposed creator created this object?

until you prove that "Joe" didnt create the comp you believe he did.....

[Cuathon]

it is yet to be proven that i ddint create the world! in fact i did! prove me wrong!

[max2k106]

there is no evidence that does not show forth the proclimation of a creator....no other theory of the world coming into existence is scientifically true.....THE BIBLE SAYS SO!!!! and if the bible is yet to be proven wrong why should we not believe something it says?
There is a secret chamber within the stone walls of a magical school called Hogwarts somewhere in England that only wizards can see.

ITS TRUE! HARRY POTTER SAYS SO!!!

[Liquid Swordsman]

there is so much wrong with that statement i wont even take the time.....

You won't take the time or I made you look like an idiot and you have nothing to say back?

[deathbydarkness]

it is yet to be proven that i ddint create the world! in fact i did! prove me wrong!

do you have a book to back this? can you create something for me now? THE BIBLE SAYS SO!

[Cuathon]

my post proves it!
gives just as good evidence as the bible.

why the *random expletive here* do i need a book?
check out max's post.

[max2k106]

do you have a book to back this? can you create something for me now? THE BIBLE SAYS SO!
Ask your god RIGHT NOW if he can create something for you . . . aks Cuath to create you a cup of coffee, then ask your god to create you a cup of coffee.

I don't see either happening . . .

[Liquid Swordsman]

do you have a book to back this? can you create something for me now? THE BIBLE SAYS SO!
So if I dig up one of Hitlers old journals and it says killing jews is the right thing to do and fair skinned blue eyed people are the only good kind of people, it's right? I mean it must be going along with your logic.

[deathbydarkness]

You won't take the time or I made you look like an idiot and you have nothing to say back?

ok fine.....just believing that we can do all of this on our own is arrogant....i am not going to have an open mind about any of this.....just saying o yea thats probable...o yea that might of happened is rediculous...and you say i dont have back bone? what do you call that?:dry:

[imagination]

do you have a book to back this? can you create something for me now? THE BIBLE SAYS SO!
i'll write it ... then it will be true

[max2k106]

Oooh, time to pull out the ol' Simpsons quotes.

If it's in a book, it's gotta be true (http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/downloads/sounds/milhouse_book.mp3)

[Kyir]

ok i will start off....my favorite verse is Matthew 10:27 "...with GOD all things are possible."

Kyir: O RLY
God: YA RLY
Kyir: thats some f***ed up shit
God: O I C

[deathbydarkness]

So if I dig up one of Hitlers old journals and it says killing jews is the right thing to do and fair skinned blue eyed people are the only good kind of people, it's right? I mean it must be going along with your logic.

nope....absolutely not....hitlers book is not INERRANT and never proven wrong....

[Cuathon]

he said it! it must be true! its even written down in his post!

religion was invented as a crutch for people who couldnt believe that you aint got nothing but yourself and your fellow aminals to rely on! i said it! it's true!

i also created the world, but for no reason other than for my own enjoyment!

[Liquid Swordsman]

ok fine.....just believing that we can do all of this on our own is arrogant....i am not going to have an open mind about any of this.....just saying o yea thats probable...o yea that might of happened is rediculous...and you say i dont have back bone? what do you call that?:dry:
Tell Jesus to get you Hooked on Phonics.

[savanna]

You just proved yourself wrong. Religion is based on faith and belief and no actual proof. There is more evidence saying that there is no god than saying that there is. In fact, there is no evidence saying that there is god . . .

And don't tell people that don't believe in god that they should be ashamed and they are stupid. You're entitled to your beliefs, we are entitled to our facts.

Anyways, I don't complete reject any possibility of an existance of god, I'm just one of those people that will believe something when they see it. When I see hard evidence that there is an existant god, I will believe in him/her.


BINGO! and besides, people say god created the world. how could that happen? he just wanted it there, so it happened? and this so called god didnt write the bible, people did. you dont have any proof that the people that WROTE the book werent insane, or under some influence. also, god didnt build churches, so when people go to them, they arent doing anything except singing happy little songs and apologizing CONSTANTLY for sins they believe they commited.

[Cuathon]

nope....absolutely not....hitlers book is not INERRANT and never proven wrong....

you dipshit!

you cant prove the bible wrong! it's impossible! by definition god is beyond our poor senses if he wants to be. even another possibility cant prove him not to exist!

[deathbydarkness]

Kyir: O RLY
God: YA RLY
Kyir: thats some f***ed up shit
God: O I C

again i will ask that you not use profanity in my thread...

[Kyir]

again i will ask that you not use profanity in my thread...

why?
not really like you have any controll over it

[yall are ded]

Christianity is faith based not fact based. Even though it cannot be proven wrong everything about Christainity is faith based. Try to prove it wrong all you want and it will remain and you can have faith that it does not exist. Try to prove it right and you will fail also. Therefore you must have faith both ways. I am not preaching just stating a fact. If you say christianity is not grounded because there is not proof then you yourself are ungrounded because there is no proof for your side. Therefore that brings it down to what you believe. A strong belief is faith. I just wanted to say my worth:)

[dominion138]

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[deathbydarkness]

BINGO! and besides, people say god created the world. how could that happen? he just wanted it there, so it happened? and this so called god didnt write the bible, people did. you dont have any proof that the people that WROTE the book werent insane, or under some influence. also, god didnt build churches, so when people go to them, they arent doing anything except singing happy little songs and apologizing CONSTANTLY for sins they believe they commited.

GOD inspired these men to write it....and before you start saying the bible is wrong READ IT!

[imagination]

god himself created profanity!!!! why is it then that we should not use it!!!

[Cuathon]

lol, max is so right. you cannot porve the existance of god.
and people sometimes say he doesnt show himself cause it would undermine free will. how? just cause he makes a mountain float in the air with purple fairy pony princesess and says he did it doesnt mean he made me believe shit!

[deathbydarkness]

Christianity is faith based not fact based. Even though it cannot be proven wrong everything about Christainity is faith based. Try to prove it wrong all you want and it will remain and you can have faith that it does not exist. Try to prove it right and you will fail also. Therefore you must have faith both ways. I am not preaching just stating a fact. If you say christianity is not grounded because there is not proof then you yourself are ungrounded because there is no proof for your side. Therefore that brings it down to what you believe. A strong belief is faith. I just wanted to say my worth:)

every theory about the creation of the earth has to be faith based! even evolution....

[yall are ded]

death read my pm NOW.

[Kyir]

GOD inspired these men to write it....and before you start saying the bible is wrong READ IT!

and you know this becuase...
the bible says so, so the people who wrote it are just covering thier asses

[Liquid Swordsman]

Having self pride is a sin. Showing any skin what so ever shows self pride. Go pick up the Satanic Bible and read it over a few times, you could learn just how redonculous your big book is.

[deathbydarkness]

god himself created profanity!!!! why is it then that we should not use it!!!

GOD never created profanity man did.....:dry:

[max2k106]

Ahem, seriously guys, lets try to keep the language suitable for kids that might be reading this. That means no starred words either! This is all your warnings (people that used it).

Anyways, I will now pray to God before I eat.

Dear God, I am sorry for these sins I have committed which include eating a little too much because I was hungry in order to support my life. I am sorry for looking at and mingling with the natural and open (naked) bodies of the perfect creatures YOU YOURSELF have created to sustain life on this planet and act as a man's counterpart. I am sorry that I doubted your existance although you have never showed me any reason to believe you exist. In the words of the great Bart Simpson, Dear God, we payed for this food ourselves so thanks for nothing.

[Office_Shredder]

you prolly believe in evolution right? science CANNOT prove that....

Actually, it can. Between cross breeding species (such as horses and donkeys), being able to calculate precisely and accurately the number of mutations that will occur per generation in a small population, bacteria's ability to resist anti-biotics, I think the case for evolution is strong

[Liquid Swordsman]

GOD never created profanity man did.....:dry:

But God created man, therefore God created profanity.

[Kyir]

Ahem, seriously guys, lets try to keep the language suitable for kids that might be reading this.


Fine, be that way

anyway, on TAO I consider Max to be god :p

[Cuathon]

oh come on max. no cursing at all?
most of the people at my school learned that stuff in the second grade. seriously, they always told on the teacher when i thought i was making up rhyming words for the high five game.
saying no cursing is ridiculous.

[deathbydarkness]

Actually, it can. Between cross breeding species (such as horses and donkeys), being able to calculate precisely and accurately the number of mutations that will occur per generation in a small population, bacteria's ability to resist anti-biotics, I think the case for evolution is strong

where did all this bacteria come from? you must have faith to believe it...

But God created man, therefore God created profanity.

so if you build a house and that house falls on someone did you kill them?

all i am saying is that GOD gave man a free will and is not responsible for what we do...

oh come on max. no cursing at all?
most of the people at my school learned that stuff in the second grade. seriously, they always told on the teacher when i thought i was making up rhyming words for the high five game.
saying no cursing is ridiculous.

does cursing make you feel bigger or something?

[Liquid Swordsman]

oh come on max. no cursing at all?
most of the people at my school learned that stuff in the second grade. seriously, they always told on the teacher when i thought i was making up rhyming words for the high five game.
saying no cursing is ridiculous.

He didn't say no cursing, just keep it down to a minimum. Besides, you shouldn't have to swear to prove your points.

[Kyir]

where did all this bacteria come from? you must have faith to believe it...

to belive what? :confused:

[Cuathon]

but at least science has can be proven wrong. god is impossible to prove wrong.

lol liquid, he said not even starred words.
i dont need it to prove my point.

[Liquid Swordsman]

so if you build a house and that house falls on someone did you kill them?

all i am saying is that GOD gave man a free will and is not responsible for what we do...

If a house falls on someone, it's Gods fault.

[max2k106]

Fine, be that way

anyway, on TAO I consider Max to be god :p
I will now follow John Lennon's footsteps when he said that The Beatles are more popular than Jesus (which was true, more people at that time had liked The Beatles than liked/believed in Jesus). I will go one step further than what John Lennon said.

I am God.

[Kyir]

I will now follow John Lennon's footsteps when he said that The Beatles are more popular than Jesus (which was true, more people at that time had liked The Beatles than liked/believed in Jesus). I will go one step further than what John Lennon said.

I am God.

qwll, considering you can make people disapear from the forums I'd say thats close to right (I'm post whoring now)

[max2k106]

If a house falls on someone, it's Gods fault.
First off, sorry for double post if nobody posted above this.

That's true, God chose to look the other way and not save this person. It's his fault. I'm sorry for any house falling accidents I could have prevented but didn't feel like preventing.

[DMD]

Ok i know i will probably get negged alot for making this thread because man today is in such denial to their creator....but i will do it anyway.....

This thread is for christians to talk about chrisitan stuff. Post your favorite verse of the Bible and any other christian things ya wanna talk about....

When i say christian i mean that you believe that GOD created the universe our of NOTHING, JESUS came to earth to die on the cross for mans sins, and the ONLY way to heaven is to acknowledge that you are a sinner and to ask for forgivness for your sin so that CHRIST comes into your heart and saves you...


ok i will start off....my favorite verse is Matthew 10:27 "...with GOD all things are possible."


I find this VERY offencive... the very fact I'm jewish. I'd really like to shut this thread down, because basicly this guy is saying I can't go to heaven because I don't believe in Christ. Also, my jewish advisers have plenty of evidence supporting that the Christian bible is infact false.

Now can we shut this thread down? For all those who are Jewish, Hindu, or anyother religion.

[Wayfaerer]

Tell Jesus to get you Hooked on Phonics.
LS made me bump this. I think he wants more rep..so be generous :blush2:

[Liquid Swordsman]

I find this VERY offencive... the very fact I'm jewish. I'd really like to shut this thread down, because basicly this guy is saying I can't go to heaven because I don't believe in Christ. Also, my jewish advisers have plenty of evidence supporting that the Christian bible is infact false.

Now can we shut this thread down? For all those who are Jewish, Hindu, or anyother religion.
Don't be so weak minded. This is the world we live in, the quicker you can accept it the better off you will be.

[max2k106]

I find this VERY offencive... the very fact I'm jewish. I'd really like to shut this thread down, because basicly this guy is saying I can't go to heaven because I don't believe in Christ. Also, my jewish advisers have plenty of evidence supporting that the Christian bible is infact false.

Now can we shut this thread down? For all those who are Jewish, Hindu, or anyother religion.
No we can't because he's not saying that, he's just defining a Christian when he says:
When i say christian i mean that you believe that GOD created the universe our of NOTHING, JESUS came to earth to die on the cross for mans sins, and the ONLY way to heaven is to acknowledge that you are a sinner and to ask for forgivness for your sin so that CHRIST comes into your heart and saves you...

[deathbydarkness]

ok this thread is officailly done.....anyone having questions can PM me other than that i am out....you can critisize me all you want but NEVER critisize my GOD!

ALL CHRISTIANS PLEASE PM ME!!!!

[DMD]

Don't be so weak minded. This is the world we live in, the quicker you can accept it the better off you will be.

What is "it"?

Accepting what?

[Liquid Swordsman]

What is "it"?

Accepting what?
Everyone has different beliefs. Don't get offended because some 12 year old kid thought he'd make friends by saying he loves God.

[deathbydarkness]

im not 12 and im not making friends and I LOVE GOD!

[Liquid Swordsman]

im not 12 and im not making friends and I LOVE GOD!
Ha-Ha, you lost a rep box!

[Liquid Swordsman]

im not 12 and im not making friends and I LOVE GOD!
It's a shame Max seems to dislike you.

[banditto]

You love non-existant beings? I love my imaginary friends too, but I didn't write a bunch of books with stories about things that never happened either. Well, it's not that it didn't happen as much as me exagerating Bobs story.

[max2k106]

It's a shame Max seems to dislike you.
It's not that I dislike him, it's just that I think he's making himself out to look like a fool.

[marijuana]

It's not that I dislike him, it's just that I think he's making himself out to look like a fool.

In which he has done many times..

[deathbydarkness]

christians Who Believe What I Beleive Please Pm Me

[dominion138]

death be careful before you really piss someone off that you don't want to...

[devast8]

My post lasted about 10 seconds before it was deleted.

Meh...at least I have a screenshot :cool:

[max2k106]

My post lasted about 10 seconds before it was deleted.

Meh...at least I have a screenshot :cool:
Let's try to watch our language here devast. I would hate to have you banned for something stupid like swearing.

[Matt 34.5]

You beleive in god, because you were told he exists. Creation does not prove there was a creator, in my opinion, wether or not there is a "creator", the only reason people create religions, is because they cant except the fact that infinity is possible, without some sort of all powerful, all magic being.

man today is in such denial to their creator
I dont deny the possibility of god, but do you realy think he'd want us to except him blindly? In otherwords not think for ourselves, and draw our own conclusions?
to me there is only ONE religion

Im more open to possibilities, where as you deny the possibility of other religions, or beleifes possibly exsisting. I think its fine you beleive in god, but you ignore possibilities because of your beleife?

Just because we think for ourselves doesnt neccisarly mean we deny "our creator". I could name 100 serious problems with the bibal, but I wont bother to explain anything to someone that doesn't want to know it.

[deleryn]

I just asked him to stop. This whole thing has been pretty offensive to some people of certain religions. I would like to apologise in particular to the Jew, and say that many good Christans have a great respect for your religion and people and wouldn't want to force our scripture at you. Someone really needs to get the smart idea of teaching every Christain all of our doctrine before they attempt to convert people by "invoking the Lord's power" or whatever.

"deathbydarkness" is a totally un-Christian screename... Have you been playing silly Gothic videogames? At any rate, you're too young to be leading the forces of light on the face of the Earth.

Now for some good, old testament scripture
Proverbs 24:13-
Eat honey, my son, for it is good;
honey from the comb is sweet to your taste.
Verse 14 would be good advice for the rukus-starter. I'm not "looking down at you" but a little more wisdom and spiritual growth would be good.

If anyone has questions to ask regarding the Christian faith, I would prefer that you ask me. Even if I don't know the answer, I have some connections through school to some of the great minds in Modern American Christianity, and it isn't all about love, happiness, and not going to hell.

[devast8]

Let's try to watch our language here devast. I would hate to have you banned for something stupid like swearing.
I'm sorry, max.

It was pretty clever, at least.

[max2k106]

and it isn't all about love, happiness, and not going to hell.
You're right, it's all about peace, love, and rock & roll :cool:

[deleryn]

What was that movie with the rock & roll exorcism? It was Leslie Neilson... and hillarious.

[camolots_guardi]

Shnoogins :) hi death

[Cuathon]

lol, just got this rep that said i could disagree without flaming, lol! hell no i cant!

[Warcow]

Holy hell, this idiot is a PERFECT example of,

http://img8.exs.cx/img8/6746/religiousjoke4dm.gif

[allstarGL]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3593866248238036452
Hydrant posted this in another thread. I found it entertaining. Fits in well with this arguement.

[battle composed]

Ok i know i will probably get negged alot for making this thread because man today is in such denial to their creator....but i will do it anyway.....

This thread is for christians to talk about chrisitan stuff. Post your favorite verse of the Bible and any other christian things ya wanna talk about....

When i say christian i mean that you believe that GOD created the universe our of NOTHING, JESUS came to earth to die on the cross for mans sins, and the ONLY way to heaven is to acknowledge that you are a sinner and to ask for forgivness for your sin so that CHRIST comes into your heart and saves you...


ok i will start off....my favorite verse is Matthew 10:27 "...with GOD all things are possible."

There are quite a number of religions stating that we will go to hell for being non-believers. We are pretty much screwed.

[Mitosis]

Churches that mean to brainwash you into beliving something isn't right at all. It doesn't mean all churches are like that. Pastors don't try to convert you into a Christian. It's your choice in the end, not theirs.

[Twelve]

To the creator of this thread:

Please learn the lesson of Matthew 7:6, and please learn it well. This goes out to anyone else who calls themselves Christians.

And if you don't get it, basically, it's saying be quiet and don't let something that is valuable to you be "thrown to the dogs" like this. Not to call anyone here names, but it's merely an analogy.

I've often gotten into debates here, but they were in a "controlled" environment and against only a few people at a time. But if you want to start a Christian thread, it would be best to do so in a Christian forum where it would get proper respect. Not here. Please remember Matthew 7:6.

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[The Big Kahuna]

Hey deathby darkness,
You're correct in stating that your thread would stir up a lot of controversy because that is the genesis of the devil who wanted to be like God and the genesis of man in the Garden of Eden because he succombed to the temptation as well and wanted to be like God. And mankind has been the same ever since, either denying the existence of God or trys to be a God in their own right.

To deny that there is a God is utter foolishness!!! The heavens and all the earth declare his glory and existence. It is inate in every man that God exists. I saw it demonstrated first hand while serving in the Army during combat in Vietnam. It was amazing to me that those who espoused that God didn't exist would pray in earnest when their own lives were held in the balance.

death, be thankful that the truth as you know it has been revealed to you when so many others of great intellect will deny it as the truth. Of course, the end will tell the story and I believe scriptures to be true when it says "that every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess" that God is the King and Sovereign of All. And for those of us who should not even be here walking on his earth and breathing the very air that He gives to sustain life, we are eternally grateful!

"Let God be true, but every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

[Northwind]

This isn't really an argument for or against God (or this thread). I just like the writing and how it opens me up to thinking about a variety of things. This is from the play "J.B." by Archibald MacLeash, which is about the Biblical story of Job. (Which, I would assume, is a particularly tough one to wrap your head around if you are a Christian.)

If God is good, he is not God
If God is God, he is not good.
Take the even, take the odd
I would not stay here if I could
Except for the green leaves in the wood
And the wind on the water.

[Twelve]

Hey deathby darkness,
You're correct in stating that your thread would stir up a lot of controversy because that is the genesis of the devil who wanted to be like God and the genesis of man in the Garden of Eden because he succombed to the temptation as well and wanted to be like God. And mankind has been the same ever since, either denying the existence of God or trys to be a God in their own right.

To deny that there is a God is utter foolishness!!! The heavens and all the earth declare his glory and existence. It is inate in every man that God exists. I saw it demonstrated first hand while serving in the Army during combat in Vietnam. It was amazing to me that those who espoused that God didn't exist would pray in earnest when their own lives were held in the balance.

death, be thankful that the truth as you know it has been revealed to you when so many others of great intellect will deny it as the truth. Of course, the end will tell the story and I believe scriptures to be true when it says "that every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess" that God is the King and Sovereign of All. And for those of us who should not even be here walking on his earth and breathing the very air that He gives to sustain life, we are eternally grateful!

"Let God be true, but every man a liar..." Romans 3:4

Awe crud...Now I gotta start liking SSTEO people. ;)

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[kegsworth]

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."


Edit: You did'nt like me? I'm appalled

[Twelve]

W-Woah...you're SSTEO too?

Well, I think I have to admit that SSTEO is officially a cool clan. You can quote me on that. ;)

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[kegsworth]

W-Woah...you're SSTEO too?

Well, I think I have to admit that SSTEO is officially a cool clan. You can quote me on that. ;)

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Check out the siggy. By the way, I'm putting your quote in my siggy too. ;)

[battle composed]

This isn't really an argument for or against God (or this thread). I just like the writing and how it opens me up to thinking about a variety of things. This is from the play "J.B." by Archibald MacLeash, which is about the Biblical story of Job. (Which, I would assume, is a particularly tough one to wrap your head around if you are a Christian.)

If God is good, he is not God
If God is God, he is not good.
Take the even, take the odd
I would not stay here if I could
Except for the green leaves in the wood
And the wind on the water.

That's true enough. The gospels and ancedotes are interesting for the lessons and values they teach.

It was amazing to me that those who espoused that God didn't exist would pray in earnest when their own lives were held in the balance.

Desperate people will cling to anything to survive. The war test their limits as a person, and so they throw their hope to some higher being out there.

We really need a time machine.

[Kyir]

W-Woah...you're SSTEO too?

Well, I think I have to admit that SSTEO is officially a cool clan. You can quote me on that. ;)

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Only Keg imo :P

[kegsworth]

Call me a noob but, imo = ?

[erogan]

well i gotta support death by darkness here cuz im a christian to so any of you yahoos wanna give me your story on creation then bring it:angry:

[kegsworth]

Hey erogan,

A lot of us in here are christians, but thats not the proper attitude to come in here with. Come in with an open mind and the ability to understand. Not everyone in here has the same beliefs, and with the way your saying that, it sounds like your going to attack someone.

They have they're beliefs, and you have yours. This is not an arguement thread, but rather a thread for christians to share they're favorite bible verses and how they apply to they're lives. Nothing more.

Should you decide to debate with someone about they're beliefs, take it elsewhere please. Thank you.

In Christ,
~kegs

[Kyir]

Hey erogan,

A lot of us in here are christians, but thats not the proper attitude to come in here with. Come in with an open mind and the ability to understand. Not everyone in here has the same beliefs, and with the way your saying that, it sounds like your going to attack someone.

They have they're beliefs, and you have yours. This is not an arguement thread, but rather a thread for christians to share they're favorite bible verses and how they apply to they're lives. Nothing more.

Should you decide to debate with someone about they're beliefs, take it elsewhere please. Thank you.

In Christ,
~kegs

Repworthy, as to Erogan. Stuff it.

Imo = In my Opinion

[kegsworth]

Gotcha.

Thank you Kyir.

And as for erogan, keep it real.

[deathbydarkness]

well i gotta support death by darkness here cuz im a christian to so any of you yahoos wanna give me your story on creation then bring it:angry:

thanx!:bigsmile:

[Cuathon]

go to a christian forum, post a link or something. if you dont want people to disagree and sometimes insult you, go where there arent people who will.

[Liquid Swordsman]

well i gotta support death by darkness here cuz im a christian to so any of you yahoos wanna give me your story on creation then bring it:angry:

Moron

[yall are ded]

I honestly don't care if you disagree or not. Let this be a good thread and ignore NOT comment on any who disagree.

Have any of you ever been on missions? I believe christ is my Lord and SAvior:)

[Liquid Swordsman]

Is it just me or do other people find it funny when people with names like "deathbydarkness" and "yall are ded" get all defensive about God and claim him to be their "Lord and SAvior"

[yall are ded]

that is why i changed my in game name to surge liquid.

Edit: sorry i guess i didnt read my own post :)

[Thash500]

I honestly don't care if you disagree or not. Let this be a good thread and ignore NOT comment on any who disagree.

Have any of you ever been on missions? I believe christ is my Lord and SAvior:)

Don't tell us you don't care.

Ever wonder how many people here care about your opinions?:cool:

[ReTodd]

I saw that Liquid Swordsman had posted in this thread and knew that trouble was brewin'. I'll venture a guess.

People's handles are kind of like their alter egos. Who they would like to be if there weren't any rules or people telling them what to do. So, they think up cool, tough, dark sounding names. I'm probably way off but I took some psychology classes in college because there were always 2 guys and 48 girls in those classes, so I might be onto something.

[deathbydarkness]

if you guys read the first post i made...this thread is for christains to talk to other christians not for people who arent to come and say we are stupid....so please if you will i would like to get this thread back to where it was meant to be.....if you want to make a christian bash thread go ahead but please keep this thread for christians to talk to fellow christians...

[ReTodd]

I wasn't bashing anyone but saw that Liquid Sword was here and guessed correctly that he was ridiculing others. My post was an attempt at damage control. This is a public forum so like it or not, plan for people to post off topic and flame to some degree. You could always start a private website/forum if it bothers you.

Question: How old is the earth, solar system, and the universe according to the different sects of Christianity? I ask because I learned recently that the Catholic Church spends a lot of cash on astronomical and cosmological research.

[Mad Hаtter]

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
I am sorry for posting a Buddhist quote in your Christian thread, but I believe this is an amazing quote and deserved to be posted here.

[x-useme]

meh, Christian thread? How about a thread for all religions.

Once again. ^^^

[Cuathon]

go to a private forum if you dont want others to post against your idea.

[meet the fudger]

There is no god.:cool:


There's only sergiy.

[x-useme]

There's only sergiy.

People are starting to suck up to the admins and mods already...

[meet the fudger]

Chill x, it was just a joke :rolleyes:.

:D.

[x-useme]

I know, if I was pissed, I would have added a :dry: smiley at the end =P

[savanna]

GOD inspired these men to write it....and before you start saying the bible is wrong READ IT!

i read like 3 pages of it, and i thought to myself, how can people follow this, and live a normal, healthy life?

[Mad Hаtter]

Below are some other threads you may be interested in.
Religous Debate thread. (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13596)
TAO Christian Fellowship thread (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15899)
Religon Discussion thread (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15879)

Edit: I fixed the links.

[savanna]

this page cannot be displayed? interesting, but that didnt add anything to my religion thoughts and beliefs.

[erogan]

i gotta say im sorry if my reply came as a threat i just get mad when people disrespect my God and make a mockery of him thats it:(

[Liquid Swordsman]

I wasn't bashing anyone but saw that Liquid Sword was here and guessed correctly that he was ridiculing others as always. My post was an attempt at damage control. This is a public forum so like it or not, plan for people to post off topic and flame to some degree. You could always start a private website/forum if it bothers you.

Question: How old is the earth, solar system, and the universe according to the different sects of Christianity? I ask because I learned recently that the Catholic Church spends a lot of cash on astronomical and cosmological research.

I don't ridicule anyone for being intelligent, so don't make me out to be a bad person here. Just simply stating the maker of this thread is an arrogant dumbass, that's all.

[savanna]

I don't ridicule anyone for being intelligent, so don't make me out to be a bad person here. Just simply stating the maker of this thread is an arrogant dumbass, that's all.

exactly. i think religion and all that jazz for tao is a porthole for disaster and arguement.
i would pos you again, but i did it yesterday.

[savanna]

looks like all the attention is going over to the satan thread.

[deathbydarkness]

^ sad isnt it?

[007 GOD]

Im a strong christian, but i dont judge satanists either, cuz judging them is a sin. I dont see them any different other than i dont agree with their beliefs

[Kyir]

i gotta say im sorry if my reply came as a threat i just get mad when people disrespect my God and make a mockery of him thats it:(

so you admit there are others?

anyway, no one took it as a threat, we just hate asshats :cool:

[Warcow]

Wow, deathbydarkness and 007 God do you guys understand the word satire AT ALL?

You know what? Never mind, I'll leave you to figure it out on your own.

[ReTodd]

Here's my philosophy on religion. I don't care if you are zoroastrian, hindu, buddist, wiccan, jewish, christian, muslim, janist, quaker, eastern orthodox, shiite, sunni, polytheisitc, or monotheistic. As long as your beliefs present a moral code that causes you to empathize with other humans, treat others kindly, and ultimately make you a better person, you are good in my book. It's those damn nihilists you have to watch out for. ;)

[007 GOD]

Wow, deathbydarkness and 007 God do you guys understand the word satire AT ALL?

You know what? Never mind, I'll leave you to figure it out on your own.

plz, explain to me what sattire is. ZEither here or in a pm.

[kegsworth]

Satire =

n : witty language used to convey insults or scorn; "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"


1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
2. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
3. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

I put this here for future reference, as well as to help 007 and dbd out.

[007 GOD]

ok. thanks..

[007 GOD]

was this necessary? i know you were jokin, but say that in a pos rep. and my gf will never be a porn star.
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3546/neg5fd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Dimplex]

was this necessary? i know you were jokin, but say that in a pos rep. and my gf will never be a porn star.
http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3546/neg5fd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Does everyone complain about their negs now-a-days? He is right (about the dictionary thing), and he was just joking about the porn/stripper thing, so chill. Sometimes, you deserve the neg, no use whining about it in public, that gets you more negs.

[007 GOD]

cosmo, dont start it. Was that neg deserved? i asked what something was.

[Dimplex]

cosmo, dont start it. Was that neg deserved? i asked what something was.

Well, the fact that you didn't take the time to use a dictionary to look something up quick might've deserved a neg (for laziness)..

Edit: Then after you talk about deserved negs, you neg me :rolleyes:

[savanna]

^ sad isnt it?

no, i find it quite funny actually.

[*ace*]

To bad I'm not christian or I would talk here :p

[choplocker-17]

Ok I havent been on here for such a long time and I come on here and I see this thread and I just couldnt pass it up. Deathbydarkness, man I have a lot of respect for you! I'm glad to know that I'm not the only christian on this game. I've made clans like christian men but people wouldnt join just cause of the word christian. I have to say my favorite verse is psalm 27: The lord is my light and salvation. Amen to you deathbydarkness. I hope you have a great day and a great life man! I wont see you on earth, but someday I will see in heaven!

[choplocker-17]

There is no god.:cool:
Ok sorry to double post (if i am) but thash that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. No body realizes how god works in there life. Once you find him, there are endless possibilities

[allstarGL]

Jeebus save me Jeeebussss.

Simpsons bitches!

[Swordz]

I really don't think there is a god, I mean there is no proof whatsoever so I stand by my opinions... I don't see how people can just believe in things without having ANY proof at all.

Oh and if there IS proof that there is a god, please enlighten me.

Edit: Hey DBD, I've been meaning to say this for a while now: Shut up. You are entitled to your own beliefs, and we are intitled to ours. I'm tired of seeing your "this thread is USELESS!!!@!@!@!" and "you all suck cuz u dont belive in GOD!!!!!11!" posts... so, unless you can stop being an ignorant fool, shut up.

[choplocker-17]

You won't take the time or I made you look like an idiot and you have nothing to say back?
No you didnt. Hey you dont believe in christ, fine by me. Death was just trying to help you. I mean not to sound like a prick but what sounds better, god creating the heaven and the earth and all man kind, or a speck blew up and created the earth and somehow animals just randomly showed on the earth and some how monkeys turned into humans but some how there are still monkeys out there ;) . Just letting ya know. Plus maybe if god was in ur life u wouldnt be so upset.

[Swordz]

a speck blew up and created the earth and somehow animals just randomly showed on the earth and some how monkeys turned into humans but some how there are still monkeys out there ;)

Not to be offensive in any way, but you're wrong about evolution... yeah, you summed it up in a nutshell but you left out some important facts. Sure, the big bang was a 'speck that blew up and created Earth' but there are facts that show that a universe CAN be made out of the right materials... now, that's all fine and dandy, but the main idea of evolution was we all started as micro-organisms and over time, we developed into animals, and humans. Need proof? Look at animals all around you... some species of reptiles and mamals are different than others because they adapt to their environment. Don't ask me how, but they do. Lets say monkeys, for an example. Monkeys wandered around for a while and thought "Hey, lets turn into humans!" So eventually, the monkeys turned into humans just like everything else can adapt, but it takes time. How long has Earth been here? I'm not for sure, but I know it's long enough to adapt from a micro-organism to a human. And to answer why there are still monkeys out there, like I said, monkeys developed into humans because they had to. Yet on other parts of the world, monkeys may have not needed to adapt, therefor they didn't.

To me, all religion is just a theory. Just like evolution is a theory, it's sort of a religion too exept with more facts than religion.

[deathbydarkness]

^ every religion has to be believed by faith no matter what it is....if its evolution you have to have faith on where these first elements came from and if its christianity then you have to have faith in GOD.....its your choice...

[The Fairplay]

rub a dub dub

thanks for the grub

[Dimplex]

Wow...its TF...TF, did you know 14 out of 20 threads you've made have been locked..? Jus thought I'd tell ya...btw welcome back.

And just so this post doesn't go completely off topic...GO CHRISTIANITY!

[deathbydarkness]

^ thank you...

[savanna]

^ every religion has to be believed by faith no matter what it is....if its evolution you have to have faith on where these first elements came from and if its christianity then you have to have faith in GOD.....its your choice...

no.
not true.
aethism is not having faith in anything, not believing in anything.

[deathbydarkness]

i dont count atheism as a religion.....its ignorant....

[Man's Laughter]

No you didnt. Hey you dont believe in christ, fine by me. Death was just trying to help you. I mean not to sound like a prick but what sounds better, god creating the heaven and the earth and all man kind, or a speck blew up and created the earth and somehow animals just randomly showed on the earth and some how monkeys turned into humans but some how there are still monkeys out there ;) . Just letting ya know. Plus maybe if god was in ur life u wouldnt be so upset.

Sure, and the big guy in the sky forming all creation by speaking a few words makes a whole lot of sense... :rolleyes:

Any Christians who read this; stop using this piece of crap arguement!--
or a speck blew up and created the earth and somehow animals just randomly showed on the earth and some how monkeys turned into humans but some how there are still monkeys out there

Humans [And New World Monkeys] evolved from the Old World Monkeys, which were composed of entirely different species of the Monkeys and Apes which currently exist today. Animals did not randomly show up on Earth-- they evolved from lower life forms. I know that just about all of you are going to disagree with this, but if you seriously have to make these weak attacks on Atheism, at least get your information straight!

EDIT: And I don't count Christianity as anything more than a crutch.

As long as we're being honest...

[ReTodd]

Jeebus save me Jeeebussss.

Simpsons bitches! Sealab 2021 in the hizzy!

If The Holy Bible is correct, and there is a heaven ... that one's sending allstar straight to hell.

That's a big f@#king if.

[deathbydarkness]

ok MS if that is true where did these "lower lifeforms" comefrom?

[Man's Laughter]

A random collection of amino acids formed the first single cell, asexual reproduction helped push that along from one to a colony, and evolution took it's course.

Of course, this makes absolutely no sense because your delusion of a God tells you that's he's real and that he created everything by communicating through an ancient book, right?

EDIT: And if you have to abbreviate, it's ML, okay?

[ReTodd]

ok MS if that is true where did these "lower lifeforms" comefrom?

Comets, Mars Rocks, The Priordial Soup. Take some amino acids, heat at 350° for 3 hours, add some UV radiation and voila. God put the rock layers and fossils there to fool us. And stars are little pinholes of light in the celestial sphere suckers! don't even get me started 'bout the man in the moon. green cheese.

EDIT: I hate you man's laughter. Seroisly man, I freakin hate you.;)

[deathbydarkness]

ok hold up....both of you said they come from amino acids? so where did the acids come from?

[Man's Laughter]

Comets, Mars Rocks, The Priordial Soup. Take some amino acids, heat at 350° for 3 hours, add some UV radiation and voila. God put the rock layers and fossils there to fool us. And stars are little pinholes of light in the celestial sphere suckers! don't even get me started 'bout the man in the moon. green cheese.

EDIT: I hate you man's laughter. Seroisly man, I freakin hate you.;)

Sorry, Retar-- I mean, ReTodd. You explained it better than I did.

I don't think he'll understand that, though. :cool:

[deathbydarkness]

just answer my question...

[Man's Laughter]

ok hold up....both of you said they come from amino acids? so where did the acids come from?

A collection of elements which synthesized through special conditions that occured through the molten stage of Earth.

Let me guess... "where did earth come from?" The Big Bang. Where did that come from? A collection of matter. Where did that come from? Not God.

[deathbydarkness]

well it had to come from somewhere right? so where did this "collection of matter" come from?

[Man's Laughter]

Where did God come from, hmm? "he alwys exitsed lolzor!"... Or was it "he created himself!" Neither of those make any more sense than Atheism, so shut your dumb trap.

I'm not a frigging expert. You want professional answers, go ask a damn professional!

[savanna]

i dont count atheism as a religion.....its ignorant....


how cant you call aethism ignorant?
its someones own thoughts about religion. i am aethiest. so does it mean that i dont have a religion then?

[Man's Laughter]

how cant you call aethism ignorant?
its someones own thoughts about religion. i am aethiest. so does it mean that i dont have a religion then?

Err... Yes, actually, it does.

[BigMan9878]

Im Christian, and Christ is my saviour. He is my Lord. I live for God.

[savanna]

2 entries found for Atheism.
a·the·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-zm)
n.

Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
Godlessness; immorality.


if christianity is a religion, so it atheism.

[Swordz]

i dont count atheism as a religion.....its ignorant....

Yet again, you ignorant fool.

[deathbydarkness]

atheism is the absense of religion its believing in yourself....pridefull

[Man's Laughter]

re·li·gion [ ri líjjən ] (plural re·li·gions)


noun

Definitions:

1. beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life

atheism is the absense of religion its believing in yourself....pridefull

Isn't judging others against your Religion, you pretentious bigoted ignoramus?

[savanna]

Yet again, you ignorant fool.


thank you!

[Swordz]

atheism is the absense of religion its believing in yourself....pridefull

What exactly are you trying to say there? If you're an atheist, you don't believe in yourself or you do?

If not, you're wrong... just because we don't believe in a god doesn't mean we believe in ourselves. I wouldn't really count myself as an athiest though... more along the lines of "Whatever, if there's proof, good for you, if not, I'ma goona go play me some xbox."

Edit: you pretentious bigoted ignoramus?

That was great... :rofl:

[deathbydarkness]

you have to believe in something and if you dont believe in anything you believe in yourself...

[Man's Laughter]

Wrong! Wrongwrongwrongwrong.... WRONG!

[savanna]

atheism is the absense of religion its believing in yourself....pridefull

so, are you saying that i cant believe in myself because i dont go worship in something that i dont believe exists?
bull.
religion is rules.
christians apparently are supposed to be open and nice about "god", but when it comes to other peoples religion, your like whatever I'm right your wrong.
how about reading the satanic bible for a change, getting different views on religion istead of your own nice little world, saying that all other religions are wrong.
i was talking to someone the other day, and they said that all other people that dont believe in christianity are going to hell. so i explained to her that that was an unfair comment, and that the only people that would go to a hell would be them, since they are putting themselves above everyone else.
you dont know what comes after death, hell, heaven, re-incarnation, nothingness.
you dont KNOW.
so why worry about it, thinking about every little thing you do you have to go to the nearest church and confess? some people i know carry a bible around with them 24/7, reading verses, crying for sins they believe they created.
i tried church once. i didnt like it. the one was begging for money. so i tried another one. they said, if i dont get baptized, i was going to hell and that a so called jesus wouldnt love me like he does his "clensed" children.
so, lets say i murdered someone. i went and got baptized. would the lord love me?
i would hope not. murder. taking someone elses life.

atheism is a religion, it is the belief that no gods exist. there actually isnt proof of any certain god. churches arent made by god, and the bible wasnt either.
did you know that re-incarnation was in the bible, and the catholics, or christians, i dont know which, took it out?
see, the bible is what certain people believe.
try reading differnet verses of religion.
try reading a buddhist book. you will see what they believe in. you dont have to convert to that, but it wouldnt hurt to become more KNOWLEDGEABLE about it.
like reading the satan bible wouldnt be a sin, seeing a different point of view.
i believe that the only "sin" is people that are close minded to all the religions.

[Swordz]

you have to believe in something and if you dont believe in anything you believe in yourself...

*Sigh* Maybe I should just give up... you just serve to make yourself look stupid so why try? The two things you're trying to relate together have nothing to do with eachother... so shut up.

[deathbydarkness]

you can think what you want.....GOD ALWAYS RULES! peace out

[Swordz]

you can think what you want.....GOD ALWAYS RULES! peace out

Ignorant fool. And you call yourself christian?

[savanna]

SATAN RULES.
peace out.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to deathbydarkness again.
what ever happened to acceptance towards other peoples beliefs?

[Office_Shredder]

you have to believe in something and if you dont believe in anything you believe in yourself...

That's retarded.

I don't believe in anything if you can't give me some evidence that it's true

[deathbydarkness]

^ then what happens when you die?

[Swordz]

Whatever your religion tells you if you're gullible enough to believe it. If you die and go to heaven/hell, woohoo. If you die and you are reincarnated in another body, which is what I believe in, alrighty then. If you die and are nothing, well then you people with religion must feel like fools now, eh?

[deathbydarkness]

ok lets say that you had a choice of whether you went to heaven or hell what would you do?

[Swordz]

Go to heaven, are you stupid? But lets say you don't have a choice, because you don't believe in god... then what do you do? Well, from most bibles that I've seen or heard from, God says to respect people whether or not they believe in gods or not. Well, that sounds like "God" wouldn't care if you believed in them or not, therefor as long as you never did anything illegal or immensly bad like shoot someone you'd go to heaven if there was one... if not, I believe that we are just reincarnated out of another body because I've heard stories of people having flashbacks about previous lifes that I believe in, which is sort of like religion... but not really to a major level.

[Office_Shredder]

ok lets say that you had a choice of whether you went to heaven or hell what would you do?

I don't think that me directly trying to get into heaven will increase my chances, because even if it does exist I have no way of knowing what god is like (note the bible is not the only holy text on the planet).

^ then what happens when you die?

Nothing. You die, you're dead. congratulations. Your conscience is only a by-product of evolution in order to increase your chances of survival

[Kyir]

^ then what happens when you die?
nothing

[deathbydarkness]

i never ceases to amaze me how right the bible is (man has strayed so far away from GOD, their creator, spitting in his face like swine, why, why do they do this to you? you dont deserve this GOD! why does man seek another alternative when you are so obvious to me? what do i see that they dont? what can i say to them that will help he get to them and help them see you in everything they do....) that is basically what i just prayed....

nothing

wont you be suprised....

[Thash500]

When you die, it is like a long sleep.

You are tired and need some rest but you will never be conscious again.

[Office_Shredder]

To draw a reference from elsewhere:

"Unicorns care whether you believe in them as much as you care whether they believe in you"

If you were all powerful, would you really waste your time caring about each individual person's prayers? Seriously, he SHOULD have better things to do. god must be a loser or something.


wont you be suprised....

Nope... he won't be capable of feeling surprised.... or anything for that matter.... because he's dead

[Dimplex]

i never ceases to amaze me how right the bible is (man has strayed so far away from GOD, their creator, spitting in his face like swine, why, why do they do this to you? you dont deserve this GOD! why does man seek another alternative when you are so obvious to me? what do i see that they dont? what can i say to them that will help he get to them and help them see you in everything they do....) that is basically what i just prayed....

You do realise that this is all an opion. And God exsisting is an opinion, and everyone who says the Bible is true, is just stating an opinion of their beliefs? Just stating that not everyone here is a Christain..and not every believes in all that, so all of what you say about Christianity is just a part of your beliefs...keep that in mind just in case you feel the urge to correct someone(for eg. "no! thats not what god is!!" or "no, thats not how the bible goes!" or "no!!! thats not what happens when you die!").

[Man's Laughter]

Just about everyone would choose Heaven. However, if Christianity was correct, I'd hate it beyond all other things, even if I chose it. Ghandi, raised in a Hindu culture, would have been sent to Hell for not recognizing Jesus Christ as his "Lord and Savior". I can't see a God like that being worth worshipping. As much as I'd hate a God like that, if he existed, I somewhat detest the whole eternal hellfire thing, though spending eternity with a petty God doesn't sound all that great either.

[Swordz]

I'm with ML. Why should we HAVE to worship "Jesus Christ"? If he was real, and to those of you who think he's real, he sounds like a real dictator doesn't he? "Get blessed and clensed before you confront me, after, follow my direct orders to make yourself worthy enough for heaven... if you fail, you die and go to the horrible burning depths of hell, and if you don't want to recognise me as your savior, go burn in hell!"

I don't think so. And I heard from my father, a christian, that Satan was once a good god, but did something to get himself banished from heaven and he got all p.o.'d so he formed hell. If God is so powerful, why doesn't he destroy satan and end sins once and for all? Show he's real, and here why doesn't he? When I see him, I'll believe... but until that day, religion is just one big hoax to me.

[Thash500]

Deathbydarkness, you are a noob.

You are a disgrace to Christianity.:cool:

Just curious, how old are you?

[deleryn]

I said it once before, and I'll say it again. Young Christians really need to be taught all of the doctrines before attempting to convert. I asked you to stop and learn a little bit before continuing, but no. You had to make your appeals to emotion with a side of weak arguments. deathbydarkness, your efforts here have been really pitiful. You've only played into whatever preconceptions these people have about Christians. In fact, you aren't even arguing my faith, just what little you've come to believe about it.

Sit out for a bit (I'm really talking a few years here) while I sort this out. There's too many posts to consider. I'll edit some things in when I think of them, just give me a second to remember some things from Apologetics (the defense of the Christian faith is appropriately named).

Swordz-This is simple knowledge of the Bible, so I'll give the short version. If you don't believe what is written in it, that's another issue. Satan was the wisest and most beautiful of the angels, not a "god". He was cast out of heaven because he attempted to "become like God". He tempted Adam and Eve, who had been given free will, and they were separated from God because of their sin. Generations later, Jesus Christ, who is God's only begotten son (the whole "beget" thing is also a different issue) was given as a sacrifice for mankind's sin. John 3:16--"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Living a perfect life isn't required for the trip to heaven, it's just supposed to be a by-product. Also, God created hell with Satan in mind, and plans on sending him there when Jesus returns in the end-times. Satan isn't lord of anything but lies.

Jesus doesn't want to be recognised as Lord or whatever, He just wants to save God's creation.

"Why doesn't he just {blah blah blah}?"-The God in the Bible is all-powerful, but He can't just do anything. Sin isn't in his nature, and neither is being anything less than perfectly just. Every sin requires a sacrifice to overwrite it. Unfortunately, nothing short of Jesus' sacrifice could've saved humanity. So God gave up his only begotten Son for the lowly race of human beings that He created. Humanity wouldn't be the same if human beings weren't allowed to do whatever they wanted, so God couldn't stop them from sinning without making another mindless, stupid creation.

[Man's Laughter]

That so-called sacrifice means nothing, depending on how you look at it.

Edit: I guess I should elaborate... Wait a sec.

Assuming belief in the Trinity applies to all Christians [I'm pretty sure it does], this should make sense.

Jesus and God are one in the same, correct? Jesus' sacrifice would mean nothing, as for him and God to be one, they would have to know everything the other was thinking. He would know how he would die at the beginning of his creation. It wouldn't be much of a sacrifice, considering that he knew that he would be ressurected and be brought to Heaven three days after his death. He would have no mortal fears because he was technicially immortal because he was supposedly one with God. Therefore, physicial death and pain would be nothing to him.

[deleryn]

Jesus and God are one in the same, correct? Jesus' sacrifice would mean nothing, as for him and God to be one, they would have to know everything the other was thinking. He would know how he would die at the beginning of his creation. It wouldn't be much of a sacrifice, considering that he knew that he would be ressurected and be brought to Heaven three days after his death. He would have no mortal fears because he was technicially immortal because he was supposedly one with God. Therefore, physicial death and pain would be nothing to him.
Well, any Chrisitian doesn't fear death because he or she sincerely believes that he or she isn't going to hell. That doesn't mean that he/she can't feel pain. The Scriptures also hint at something supernatural happening other than the cleansing of all mankind's sin on the cross. There are circles that would say that Jesus spent a great length of time in hell, full of bleakness and despair, as the real sacrifice to reunite God and man.

Just watch the Passion of the Christ and tell me that its no big deal. :p

Hell isn't all about physical pain and eternal torture, by the way. Imagine what you would be feeling if you died and found out that you had a chance to spend eternity with a loving, all-knowing, all-powerful friend instead of being alone and destined to be cast into a lake of fire to eventually cease to exist. There will be a lot of despair in Hell. People would quite literally go insane.

This may not all be Biblical, but God doesn't want us to know everything about hell yet. The Bible is the handbook of everything the Believer needs to know in life, not everything that the Believer would like to know.

Actually, I think that Jesus and God had a conspiracy going on from The Beginning. I'm also inclined to think that it was the best way that God could've accomplished His purposes.

[Man's Laughter]

But that sacrifice didn't actually mean anything because, as God, he was immune to any such pain, no? He was the all-loving being that he could[n't have, seeing as it was himself] have been seperated from, so he wasn't being seperated from anything.

Besides, as I stated before, I can't believe that the Christian God is all-loving if he would send Gandhi to Hell because he wasn't converted.

[deleryn]

You raise a good point. I'll get the opinion of an older Bible scholar for you, because I'm sure mine won't satisfy. I formulate the e-mail as we speak, though I can't say he'll get back soon. It's nice to have these connections.

I wouldn't say that Jesus was immune to pain. If He were, how did He manage to die? He was completely God, but He placed Himself into a man's body. It's complicated, and I really don't remember the part about Him being 100% man and 100% God. I can't even remember the name of it.

I imagine that, because the trinity requires all three members of the Godhead to constitute a "God", Jesus' indisposition would've been irritating. The interesting thing is the three could exist together without any trouble because of the love there, but decided to take intrest in us anyways.

Ghandi was a human being too. Christians don't get into heaven by anything they do, just by recognising Christ's sacrifice. If you were to compare man to Christ and have him on the scale somewhere, Ghandi would be much further tipped toward man's side.

Some things only God can explain. The Bible sometimes raises more questions than it answers, but I enjoy such books.

[Man's Laughter]

Yes, but Ghandi, one of the better people in recorded existance would have been sent to Hell for not recognizing Christ as his Savior, right?

I can hardly see that as fair [For him or anyone else raised in a similar culture], as they were raised as Hindus [Or any other Religion], and were not introduced to Christianity at a point where they would have been likely to accept it. Are people in situations like that, where they are rarely introduced to Christianity, sent to Hell? What about people who never heard of Christianity in their lifetimes? They're sent to Hell to, are they not?

I hardly see that as fair, no matter the circumstances.

[deleryn]

I would like to think that there's some second chance for exactly that reason. There's nothing Biblical preventing some kind of opportunity for a conversion after death. In fact, I'm fairly certain that people aren't weeded directly into Heaven or Hell. I'm inclined to believe that there is some sort of second existence between now and your final destination, also, because one of Jesus' parables speaks of where people resided after death before His sacrifice.

It isn't about an attempt to be fair or loving, though. God can't let someone who isn't covered by the blood of Christ into the kingdom of Heaven. God can't do less than serve Justice.

People have theories about children who die before a certain age, about children who never live through a woman's childbearing, and everything. But only God knows and He only expresses through the Bible what the Christian needs to know.

What the Christian knows is only what He or She can glean from the Bible.

[battle composed]

If I'm an alien tourist from outer space, deathbydarkness gives me a pretty lousy impression of a christian, something I will want to ignore.

i never ceases to amaze me how right the bible is (man has strayed so far away from GOD, their creator, spitting in his face like swine, why, why do they do this to you? you dont deserve this GOD! why does man seek another alternative when you are so obvious to me? what do i see that they dont? what can i say to them that will help he get to them and help them see you in everything they do....) that is basically what i just prayed....

When you pray, I doubt it is a ranting channel. I suggest you think about this. Who is to proclaim that one does not deserve this god you speak of? Not you, not the prophets. Isn't god always with open arms, for was his son not sent to purify the sinners with his own blood?

You asked for salvation for the rest of us non-believers, is your belief in your god so weak that you have to do so? 船到桥头自然直。chu-an dao qi-ao tou[tow] zi ran[run] zhi. This is a phrase in chinese meaning that all will be well when the time comes. Why does one need to worry then?

To you, there may only be christianity.But christianity is not the only religion on this planet. Always respect even if in doubt. If the christian god exists, what is to say the others are non existant?

[***Duo***]

...

Satan sucks!


-Duo

[Office_Shredder]

To you, there may only be christianity.But christianity is not the only religion on this planet. Always respect even if in doubt. If the christian god exists, what is to say the others are non existant?

Funny you mention that:
The real deal behind intelligent design (http://www.newyorker.com/shouts/content/articles/050926sh_shouts)

[Liquid Swordsman]

i dont count atheism as a religion.....its ignorant....
:bad:

[deathbydarkness]

:bad:

ok then:confused:

[Kyir]

ok then:confused:

:bad:

[*ace*]

just a simple question isn't jesus jewish?

[Guilded Dragon]

Yes he was when he was on earth, but because they didnt belive he was the lord i dont think he entirely like wha the jews were doing.

[*ace*]

I'm so confused, thank god I'm brown :)

[ReTodd]

Funny you mention that:
The real deal behind intelligent design (http://www.newyorker.com/shouts/content/articles/050926sh_shouts)

Intelligent Design = Creationism

[The Big Kahuna]

Great thread because it raises the ultimate question, where did I come from and what is going to happen to me when I die?!!

The reason I believe so many here are confused or bewildered by some of the comments being made is because it stems from what you believe as to how all this started. Who made you and what is going to happen to you when you die? For some they would like to believe that they came into being through evolution and no wonder their response is akin to something you'd expect from a monkey.

But for those of us who believe that God who is the Alpha and the Omega (the beginning and the end) and who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and the great creator of the universe it becomes difficult to understand why he tolerates us the way that he does. But I believe that it is only because of his marvelous grace and love that extends beyond our human comprehension that we we would even be allowed to make some of the comments I have read on this thread! So much so that it would cost him the very life of his only beloved Son. Amazing!!!

God didn't make us robots but instead made us human beings with an element to choose. I respect everyone for their own views on this and to be so bold and arrogant in some of the responses that I have heard is wrong! I have chosen to believe in Christianity because of what I have seen manifested in my life and more particular in the life of my father. Only God could have saved him from his sins! I will eternally be grateful to him for that!!! But my prayer is as so many who have preceded me and that is "dear God save me from this life of sin because even when i chose to do good, sin lies at the door". But in the end the truth shall be revealed and the quote from scripture shall be confirmed where it says in Romans, "may God be true and every man a liar!"

[007 GOD]

Great thread because it raises the ultimate question, where did I come from and what is going to happen to me when I die?!!

The reason I believe so many here are confused or bewildered by some of the comments being made is because it stems from what you believe as to how all this started. Who made you and what is going to happen to you when you die? For some they would like to believe that they came into being through evolution and no wonder their response is akin to something you'd expect from a monkey.

But for those of us who believe that God who is the Alpha and the Omega (the beginning and the end) and who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and the great creator of the universe it becomes difficult to understand why he tolerates us the way that he does. But I believe that it is only because of his marvelous grace and love that extends beyond our human comprehension that we we would even be allowed to make some of the comments I have read on this thread! So much so that it would cost him the very life of his only beloved Son. Amazing!!!

God didn't make us robots but instead made us human beings with an element to choose. I respect everyone for their own views on this and to be so bold and arrogant in some of the responses that I have heard is wrong! I have chosen to believe in Christianity because of what I have seen manifested in my life and more particular in the life of my father. Only God could have saved him from his sins! I will eternally be grateful to him for that!!! But my prayer is as so many who have preceded me and that is "dear God save me from this life of sin because even when i chose to do good, sin lies at the door". But in the end the truth shall be revealed and the quote from scripture shall be confirmed where it says in Romans, "may God be true and every man a liar!"

never knew tbk was so insightful :D

[Kyir]

never knew tbk was so insightful :D

never knew people can read that much stuff :p

[007 GOD]

never knew people can read that much stuff :p

i didnt read all of it :D

[Kyir]

so how do you know it's "insightful"?

I always knew you were a nub :]

[ReTodd]

For some they would like to believe that they came into being through evolution and no wonder their response is akin to something you'd expect from a monkey.


Did Kahuna just say I behave like a monkey?

*craps in hand*
*flings it at kahuna*
*monkey chatter*
*comes up with a better clan name than ssteo*

EDIT: removed personal attacks toward Kahuna. "Judge not, lest you be judged yourself"

[007 GOD]

the parts i read were insightful. and now i went back and read it all :D

[Kyir]

wont you be suprised....

not really, considering I won't have any form of though ;]

and considering Man's Laughter can't seem to penetrate your thick skull with logic I'll try with a large blunt object (by object I mean 2 words :eek: )

You suck.

well? did it work?

[ReTodd]

I would like to know: How does the theory of creationism/intelligent design explain the geological record of the Earth with the accompanying fossils showing the evolution of flora and fauna? There is a plethora of evidence that shows Earth is several billion years old, not several thousand. For example rock beds on both sides of the atlantic match exactly and layers of sedimentary rock several kilometers deep that took millions of years to lithify.

[Kyir]

I would like to know: How does the theory of creationism/intelligent design explain the geological record of the Earth with the accompanying fossils showing the evolution of flora and fauna? There is a plethora of evidence that shows Earth is several billion years old, not several thousand. For example rock beds on both sides of the atlantic match exactly and layers of sedimentary rock several kilometers deep that took millions of years to lithify.

4.5 billionish I thought, but I might be just guessing

[Office_Shredder]

The age of the earth is generally based on zircon crystals, which trap uranium but expel lead during their formation. Then, scientists can base the age of the zircon crystal by the ratio of lead to uranium, which increases as uranium decays

[Man's Laughter]

I would like to know: How does the theory of creationism/intelligent design explain the geological record of the Earth with the accompanying fossils showing the evolution of flora and fauna? There is a plethora of evidence that shows Earth is several billion years old, not several thousand. For example rock beds on both sides of the atlantic match exactly and layers of sedimentary rock several kilometers deep that took millions of years to lithify.

Nonono. That couldn't be evidence for Evolution.

It's just either God's creations that were kiled in the Flood or things planted to decieve Humans from the way of the Lord. :rolleyes:

[Moon Scribe]

Guess what. There are 34,000 sects of Christianity, that all believe in the same god and the same Jesus. SAME FUCKING GOD PEOPLE!

[deleryn]

You joke, but God could very easily decieve your feeble-minded scientists.

If there were no reasonable doubt that Christianity weren't true, then people would just mindlessly accept it. But the way God did it, and He'll have whatever explaination He wants, people could only be converted through learning about Jesus' sacrifice with the aid of the Bible which records His words and life.

Apologetics is really all about keeping that reasonable doubt around.

Speaking of reasonable doubt: how do you know that a scientist just as qualified for the job with a different preconception wouldn't come to a different conclusion? Like with government, people are going to take advantage of a lack of "checks and balances", and there's nothing to check some of the Evolutionary scientists' reasearch. What, is another Evolutionist with the same preconceptions going to spend time really challenging his work when there's something else to do?

But really, what do you expect me to do, just give up? If there's any reasonable doubt in your evidence at all, I'm going to hang onto my religion because of what it means to me. Some of the morality involved has changed my life and mind in a wonderful way.

[Kyir]

no one's been saying anyone shouldn't be christian or anything like that, seems more like arguing with the OP about every damn stupid thing he says

[savanna]

the only thing i am saying is that maybe people should believe that there are other religions, and keep open minds of religions, and THINK about what they might believe, instead of saying they are wrong right away.

[deleryn]

the only thing i am saying is that maybe people should believe that there are other religions, and keep open minds of religions, and THINK about what they might believe, instead of saying they are wrong right away.

Well, really learning about Christianity's roots and such have made me much more thoughtful than I ever thought I would be. Every time an Apologetics class is taught, somebody just gets surprized about the religion that they thought was their's. Plus, you learn all about other religions and what their weaknesses and strengths are (as far as debate goes) along with the information for Christianity.

I don't like losers any more than you do.

[Kyir]

Well, really learning about Christianity's roots and such have made me much more thoughtful than I ever thought I would be. Every time an Apologetics class is taught, somebody just gets surprized about the religion that they thought was their's. Plus, you learn all about other religions and what their weaknesses and strengths are (as far as debate goes) along with the information for Christianity.

I don't like losers any more than you do.

so you don't like DBD? ;]

[deleryn]

so you don't like DBD? ;]

I don't like what he's been doing, but God commands me to love my neighbor as myself (you wouldn't love yourself in a sexual relationship kind of way... wait, don't answer that). I remember that I thought in a way that is probably similar to the way he's thinking now. I'd like to see him profit from the example of what God has turned me into, but I would understand if he needs more time to grow up.

Maybe I was a little harsh when I said that, but I don't always enjoy the presence of some of the people that I love.

[yall are ded]

Amen to that.:dry: Love is diffenet then like.

[Kyir]

Amen to that.:dry: Love is diffenet then like.

so what if yuor neighbor killed someone?

[yall are ded]

I still love them I just trust them less.
Love your enemies.

[Kyir]

I'd bet that wouldn't stand for a instant if it was someone you knew

[yall are ded]

Heh I don't care even if ya do neg me :p Yes it would If your mother killed your father you would still love her. Anyways see ya I was just backing up derelyn.

[Kyir]

I'm not so sure of that love that I'd retain 0_o

and if you really don't care about negs then, I'll keep doing it :], need to spread it around

[scb]

Hmmm... Interesting how this turned out.
I'm a christian as well, but I think any christians should show up on www.christianforums.com (or .net, although I dont' actualyl visit there), seeing as how this thread didn't really have anything to do with anything else on this forum or in the game.

[Kyir]

I would like to say I've killed more then you can count, kthxbye :eek:

[deleryn]

so what if yuor neighbor killed someone?

Even murderers are people. "Love your neighbor as yourself" isn't saying that you should automatically forgive and forget, it's commanding Christians (or anybody who can see the wisdom in the Ten Commandments) to recognise that any given heathen, sinner, whore, glutton, slanderer, theif, murderer, anything that I missed, or all-around-jackass is a person who thinks much similarly to the way "you" do.

I wouldn't trust any neighbor with kids, weapons, my money, or my life, but I would still like for them to know that I think they're a human being capable of getting problems solved and that I wish them well.

Christian forums are neat, but who can I debate with there?

[yall are ded]

Again, I agree.

[ReTodd]

You joke, but God could very easily decieve your feeble-minded scientists.

If there were no reasonable doubt that Christianity weren't true, then people would just mindlessly accept it. But the way God did it, and He'll have whatever explaination He wants, people could only be converted through learning about Jesus' sacrifice with the aid of the Bible which records His words and life.

Apologetics is really all about keeping that reasonable doubt around.

Speaking of reasonable doubt: how do you know that a scientist just as qualified for the job with a different preconception wouldn't come to a different conclusion? Like with government, people are going to take advantage of a lack of "checks and balances", and there's nothing to check some of the Evolutionary scientists' reasearch. What, is another Evolutionist with the same preconceptions going to spend time really challenging his work when there's something else to do?

But really, what do you expect me to do, just give up? If there's any reasonable doubt in your evidence at all, I'm going to hang onto my religion because of what it means to me. Some of the morality involved has changed my life and mind in a wonderful way.

Are you saying that God created the Earth in just a way so that nonbelievers would be purposefully decieved by the evidence that God left for them?

There are checks and balances in scientific research. Don't think that Darwin said there is evolution so it must be true. Thousands of scientists have independently reached the same conclusions regarding the age of the earth. In addition, there are multiple forms of evidence. The rock history of earth and the moon, radioactive dating, DNA, and several other forms of evidence all lead to the same conclusion.

The Bible (New Testament) is a collection of books, written by men hundreds of years after Jesus died and assembled in its modern form by Constantine in the 4th century who carefully selected what books were included in the Bible and what books were left out, to suit his own needs.