Masturbation, is it a sin?

[Doctor Love]

Simply put. Is the act of masturbation a sin? I'm just curious. Recently I've been trying to make an attempt at studing Christianity and understanding everything behind it. I know this isn't a key factor, but one of my friends mentioned it, and I'm not aware that it mentions this in the Bible. So, is masturbation a sin?
This should be appropriate. Anyone on these forums is older than 13 years old (or agree to be when they join), so moderators if this isn't appropriate please enlighten me as to why?

[Wizzy`]

You just want to be banned, dont you?

[allstarGL]

I sure as hell hope it isn't, or I know exactly where I'll be going.

[Match Strike]

Do you mean according to my morals or the Bible. being versed only in the former, I'll answer that:

No, it's not. It's our own buisness, but I'd reccomend not becoming too um, reliant on it.

[Wizzy`]

I sure as hell hope it isn't, or I know exactly where I'll be going.

;) Meet you there.

[Buster]

Simply put. Is the act of masturbation a sin? I'm just curious. Recently I've been trying to make an attempt at studing Christianity and understanding everything behind it. I know this isn't a key factor, but one of my friends mentioned it, and I'm not aware that it mentions this in the Bible. So, is masturbation a sin?
This should be appropriate. Anyone on these forums is older than 13 years old (or agree to be when they join), so moderators if this isn't appropriate please enlighten me as to why?

Well what you say is true but....should we talk about this.....If you need someone to talk about this to talk to your mother and father they love you....I hope

[EmelGreenLeafer]

I sure as hell hope it isn't, or I know exactly where I'll be going.
To much info allstar.......Allso, i'm a christian, and in my church in sunday school they said that its wrong, so i guess its wrong.

Mini Game.

**What does the sentence say under my name on the left.?**

[Wizzy`]

Well what you say is true but....should we talk about this.....If you need someone to talk about this to talk to your mother and father they love you....I hope


Do yours love you?

Shut up, noob.

[Spirit_Monger]

I've been told be plenty of people that it is. In our sex-ed class this year they had put a lot of emphasis on saying it was.

I can see why it could be considered a sin, but it is so hard not to do. I still don't quite fully understand why it is.

[Buster]

It really goes back to the whole Adam and Eve thing. It depends on if you fell shame... I think....?

[marijuana]

Well what you say is true but....should we talk about this.....If you need someone to talk about this to talk to your mother and father they love you....I hope

Your parents thats. . .scary

Wizteryupsm
You just want to be banned, dont you?

Spamming up another thread I see? Keep up the good work!

[Wizzy`]

But then again, According to Family Guy it is, So I guess it is.



Spamming up another thread I see? Keep up the good work!

Please, Enlighten me. How am I spamming?

[Buster]

Edit: Family Guy says that the Catholic's think that Wizzy'

Do yours love you?

Shut up, noob.


Wizzy' That aint fully nice. My mother and I are very close and I do alot with my dad but he has bad bones and every thing but the love me so. And Please dont hide in Black text if you have anything you want to say to me SAY IT!

[ko71991]

It really goes back to the whole Adam and Eve thing. It depends on if you fell shame... I think....?
... What?

[Wizzy`]

Wizzy' That aint fully nice. My mother and I are very close and I do alot with my dad but he has bad bones and every thing but the love me so. And Please dont hide in Black text if you have anything you want to say to me SAY IT!

I did say it.


And dont ask other people if there parents love them, Because you never know what can be going on at home, So how about..Yeah. Shut up.

[Bottle]

To much info allstar.......Allso, i'm a christian, and in my church in sunday school they said that its wrong, so i guess its wrong.

Mini Game.

**What does the sentence say under my name on the left.?**
You will lose to allstar.

[EmelGreenLeafer]

You will lose to allstar.
Oh yeah! well................ ahhh, who em i kidding, i will lose.

[Wizzy`]

To much info allstar.......Allso, i'm a christian, and in my church in sunday school they said that its wrong, so i guess its wrong.

Mini Game.

**What does the sentence say under my name on the left.?**

I will flawless allstar!!


:cool:

[Buster]

And dont ask other people if there parents love them, Because you never know what can be going on at home, So how about..Yeah. Shut up.

Do yours love you?

Shut up, noob.

You asked me?

[Hellblazer]

I sure as hell hope it isn't, or I know exactly where I'll be going.
Ditto. Anyway, why the hell did you start a thread on such a topi? There are some younger folk here.
Myabe there should be some sort of mature forum on the TAO forums.....

[Megabyte]

Simply put. Is the act of masturbation a sin?[/color]

I hope not. Otherwise I'm pretty screwed.

[Buster]

Ditto. Anyway, why the hell did you start a thread on such a topi? There are some younger folk here.
Myabe there should be some sort of mature forum on the TAO forums.....

Well yeah but then agian The threads and forums should be for the game...I guess

[Megabyte]

Well yeah but then agian The threads and forums should be for the game...I guess

in which case every sections except the general strategy, suggestions, and bugs should be removed.

[deleryn]

Are you married to yourself? I sure hope not. All sexual relations outside of marriage aren't permitted, and that can be described as self-sex.

The male anatomy doesn't really need the pleasure. In fact, you would proably fall into a cycle of feeling need for pleasure, being unable to satisfy it naturally, masturbating, feeling more need for pleasure, etc. and feel miserable. Sex just isn't good for the Christian outside of marriage.

But, as my Bible teacher says: "If you find yourself walking down the beach, and the moon happens to be full, and there aren't too many people around to watch, it's just beautiful".

Of course, sin can be forgiven.

[Buster]

No if you look at ever one they go with the game very well

[Bottle]

Depends how staunch a Christian you are, is the only answer to the question.

[max2k106]

Masturbation is a drug . . . you do it when you have nothing better to do.

[Aro23r]

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html

Christian encyclical by Pope Paul VI.

[Megabyte]

Of course, sin can be forgiven.

oh yah...nm then, I'm good. Just gotta go to confession 2 times a day ;)

How come this thread lived yet my "kitten kill count" one was shut down in under a minute?

[Wizzy`]

Masturbation is a drug . . . you do it when you have nothing better to do.


:cool: Go max. *dances*

[allstarGL]

But, as my Bible teacher says: "If you find yourself walking down the beach, and the moon happens to be full, and there aren't too many people around to watch, it's just beautiful".


Omg...I almost died laughing. That bible teacher sure does know how to get nice and sensual with himself. Bet the dude lights a candle and puts on some nice music too.

[Aro23r]

oh yah...nm then, I'm good. Just gotta go to confession 2 times a day ;)

How come this thread lived yet my "kitten kill count" one was shut down in under a minute?

You said Inuendo only

At least here the attempt is quasi-intellectual.

[Madars]

This thread gives me ideas....

**looks at siggy**

-Mad-

[Megabyte]

You said

At least here the attempt is quasi-intellectual.

eh, semantics, and that line is out of context

[max2k106]

This thread gives me ideas....

**looks at siggy**

-Mad-
you know that song in Zoolander during the walk off that goes "just beat it, beat it, beat it, just beat it!"

That's what this thread reminds me of.

[Realist]

Somehow, I knew this wasn't going to turn into one of those big debate threads.

[marijuana]

you know that song in Zoolander during the walk off that goes "just beat it, beat it, beat it, just beat it!"

That's what this thread reminds me of.

hahahaha. Yeah.

[bullcat0]

you know that song in Zoolander during the walk off that goes "just beat it, beat it, beat it, just beat it!"

That's what this thread reminds me of.
I watched that movie last night. Lmao!

[Madars]

you know that song in Zoolander during the walk off that goes "just beat it, beat it, beat it, just beat it!"

That's what this thread reminds me of.

I've only seen like half of that movie.I believe it's pretty stupid watching some dudes acting like fa...wait..last time i used that word in a negative way you gave me a neg..so lets just say I don't like to waste 2 hours of my life watching weird movies. :)

-Mad-

[Excaliber]

I personally don't find that touching a part of your own body that God gave you could be considered being a sin.. But I could see why God might consider you abusing said part as sin or some of the fantasies some people might have could possibly considered by God to be a sin.

[Ächilles]

Personally I do not feel there is anything wrong with it.

But I think that if you're still doing it routinely past fourteen years old then you have a serious lack of self control.

[Excaliber]

It is actually healthy for men because it is supposed to decrease the risk of prostate cancer.. So you could just consider it as being healthy

[Megabyte]

define routinely...

[Excaliber]

define routinely...

lol :p

[mushroom_girl]

I wouldn't look at it as a sin. It could be considered as a way to keep yourself a virgin until after you're married!

:rolleyes:

[Buster]

Ok This is the ten statements

1: "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt..." - This commandment is to believe in the existence of God.

2: "You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

3: "You shall not swear falsely by the name of the Lord..." - This commandment is to never take the name of God in a vain oath. In Exodus, the text reads "in a vain oath" (לא תשא את שם ה' לשוא), while in Deuteronomy it reads "in a false oath" (לא תשא שם ה' לשקר).

4: "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy" (the version in Deuteronomy mentions "Keep" rather than "Remember")

5: "Honor your father and your mother..." - This commandment is a development when compared to other laws of the Ancient East (for example, the Code of Hammurabi) that do not call for equal respect of the father and the mother.

6: "You shall not murder" - The Hebrew Bible makes a distinction between murdering and killing (see Jewish interpretation below).

7: "You shall not commit adultery"

8: "You shall not steal" (sometimes interpreted as kidnapping, since there are other injunctions against stealing property in the Bible).

9: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"

10 :"You shall not covet your neighbor's house..." (in Exodus, the text reads "... neighbor's house, ... neighbor's wife, nor his manservant..." etc. while in Deuteronomy, "thy neighbor's wife, ... thy neighbor's house, his field" etc.)
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What I see is It breaks

2, cuz you worship the the action,

3, only if you swear and have the lord name in it when you do it,

4, only if you do it on Sunday....I guess thats work....?,

5, if your mom and dad think its bad,

6, Only if you Necro,

7, da,

8, Only if you go to a site and look at there pics,

9, only kind of,

10, Only if you think Next door is hot
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Thats just what I see


Edit: Note only 1 didnt doesnt get broken

[Matt 34.5]

I wouldn't look at it as a sin. It could be considered as a way to keep yourself a virgin until after you're married!

:rolleyes:
Maybe for girls.

[***Duo***]

Only for Cathlics, I believe.


-Duo

[S_K_O_F]

It really isn't about the actual physical act of masturbation that is the sin. Its the lustful thoughts usually associated with it that is sinful.

How many times have you masturbated and not pictured a naked woman, or viewed one on the computer or a magazine?

This topic can be put hand in hand with the viewing pornography topic actually. If you view a naked body with completely pure thoughts, the bible really doesn't say you can't. But can you do so, without the lustful thoughts? That would completely defeat the purpose of 99.9999% of media featuring nudity.

You do not masturbate to fulfill a need. You masturbate to fulfill a pleasure. a want. So, masturbation is not a sin, but I bet you can't do it without adding sin to it.

[Buster]

It really isn't about the actual physical act of masturbation that is the sin. Its the lustful thoughts usually associated with it that is sinful.

How many times have you masturbated and not pictured a naked woman, or viewed one on the computer or a magazine?

This topic can be put hand in hand with the viewing pornography topic actually. If you view a naked body with completely pure thoughts, the bible really doesn't say you can't. But can you do so, without the lustful thoughts? That would completely defeat the purpose of 99.9999% of media featuring nudity.

You do not masturbate to fulfill a need. You masturbate to fulfill a pleasure. a want. So, masturbation is not a sin, but I bet you can't do it without adding sin to it.

Lust is only a rule for the Strike Islams

[Excaliber]

Personally I think that the matter depends on what your definition of ''adultery'' means..

Well If you look at a picpture of a naked woman with completely innocent thoughts and to enter the site you had to click a button that said you were 18 and you weren't then you are still sinning.... lol

[S_K_O_F]

Lust is only a rule for the Strike Islams

Lust is one of the 7 deadly sins!

[Buster]

you copyed from my post

Lust is one of the 7 deadly sins!


For who?

[Match Strike]

Somehow, I knew this wasn't going to turn into one of those big debate threads.
Prediction post factum.

[S_K_O_F]

you copyed from my post




For who?

Christians.

[Buster]

Were are you getting this info. Its only bad if you take lust to a new power. You need to keep everything in contol and youll be ok

[imagination]

its not a sin bet if you do it in excess it does hurt your body and your ability to um perform when needed. i pretty much dont anymore simply because i found im um ... better now.

[Mad Hаtter]

I know this is quite akward, but this is one of the few referances of masturbation in the bible.

"Then Judah said to Onan, 'Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.' But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also."


Anyways, most Christians who find it sinful, find that the waste of semen is sinful, not the act itself. Other Christians feel that the above verse deals with Onan not fufilling his duty, which at the time was alright.

Lust is only a rule for the Strike Islams

Eat dirt.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:29 "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Colossians 3:5 states "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry."

[***Duo***]

It really isn't about the actual physical act of masturbation that is the sin. Its the lustful thoughts usually associated with it that is sinful.

How many times have you masturbated and not pictured a naked woman, or viewed one on the computer or a magazine?

This topic can be put hand in hand with the viewing pornography topic actually. If you view a naked body with completely pure thoughts, the bible really doesn't say you can't. But can you do so, without the lustful thoughts? That would completely defeat the purpose of 99.9999% of media featuring nudity.

You do not masturbate to fulfill a need. You masturbate to fulfill a pleasure. a want. So, masturbation is not a sin, but I bet you can't do it without adding sin to it.


That is probably the best explanation I've ever heard.
Awesome.


-Duo

[Buster]

I know this is quite akward, but this is one of the few referances of masturbation in the bible.



Anyways, most Christians who find it sinful, find that the waste of semen is sinful, not the act itself. Other Christians feel that the above verse deals with Onan not fufilling his duty, which at the time was alright.



Eat dirt.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:29 "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Colossians 3:5 states "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry."

True. Very true

[Excaliber]

its not a sin bet if you do it in excess it does hurt your body and your ability to um perform when needed. i pretty much dont anymore simply because i found im um ... better now.

No it dosen't..

It's healthy..

[~LUCK~]

Making more threads like this?

weewoo you guys are bored.

:)

[Matt 34.5]

Making more threads like this?

weewoo you guys are bored.

:)
If us guys were bored, we wouldn't be making threads like this, we'd be "sining"

[Kalamady]

Simply put. Is the act of masturbation a sin? I'm just curious. Recently I've been trying to make an attempt at studing Christianity and understanding everything behind it. I know this isn't a key factor, but one of my friends mentioned it, and I'm not aware that it mentions this in the Bible. So, is masturbation a sin?
This should be appropriate. Anyone on these forums is older than 13 years old (or agree to be when they join), so moderators if this isn't appropriate please enlighten me as to why?



Since when do you try to make 1000 serious threads? What happened to the old Vival?

[~LUCK~]

If us guys were bored, we wouldn't be making threads like this, we'd be "sining"

Whats with you, and reversing my words? lol

:rolleyes:

[Realist]

Lust is good.

[x-useme]

In a religion book I was studying, they reffered to masterbation as "self-abuse." According to that religion book, it was.

[Madars]

I wouldn't look at it as a sin. It could be considered as a way to keep yourself a virgin until after you're married!

:rolleyes:

Hey! :angry:

This thread isn't for girls eyes! You can't know what we men do behind closed doors!

;)

-Mad-

[GreenS@murai!]

of course it's a god damn sin. But because so many people do it and because God can't put everyone in hell, he changed the rules. So now it's not a sin. According to "the Da Vinci Code", masturbation and sex is a way of channeling energy and being able to communicate with god...which of course sounds like complete bullshit, but hey! Its in a book right? So it must be true!

[Wizzy`]

Lust is good.

Ours is. ;)

[x-useme]

The Da Vinci Code pwnz0rs!

[20 Point]

Sins are a man made concept.

[Realist]

because God can't put everyone in hell

Who says he can't?

[Matt 34.5]

Sins are a man made concept.
I agree, but thats like saying Gods a man made concept. Its all up for argument.

[GreenS@murai!]

Who says he can't?

well....then who's in heaven? Must be lonely up there

[Matt 34.5]

Who says he can't?
who says hes a he?

[20 Point]

I agree, but thats like saying Gods a man made concept. Its all up for argument.

God is an over-used and ill-defined concept.

[GreenS@murai!]

who says hes a he?

who says it's even human?

[Realist]

God is an over-used and ill-defined concept.

Maybe it's you who is an over-used and ill-defined concept?

[GreenS@murai!]

I know you are but what am I?

[Matt 34.5]

who says it's even human?
Not me, I don't beleive it(?) exists.

and I wish I was an ill-described concept...

Oh wait, I ment over-used ;)

[bullseye]

giving yourself pleasure is a sin? ;)

[20 Point]

Maybe it's you who is an over-used and ill-defined concept?
Maybe.

Your hairy palms are over-used.

[Megabyte]

Ok This is the ten statements


that someone can mess up the name of the Ten COMMANDMENTS is a sign that theology or religous studies probably isn't your best subject

[bullseye]

realist is bigfoot?!!

[GreenS@murai!]

lmao the ten statements....reminds me of the crucible....BAD JOHN PROCTOR! VERY BAD.

[Megabyte]

realist is bigfoot?!!

be politically correct!
they prefer the term sasquatch

[Wizzy`]

See.. You guys keep talking about If gods a he, if its a human, This is why i dont believe in him. Theres too many questions un-answerd. Untill I can see factual proof he exists, I believe otherwise.

[GreenS@murai!]

Darwinist!! Take your theory of evolution somewhere else =P

[Doctor Love]

Since when do you try to make 1000 serious threads? What happened to the old Vival?
Sir Vival as you knew him is still amongst (sp?) you in these forums. Unfortunately, he's waiting to be unbanned. Until then, you're going to have to put up with Doc <3. Not to mention, these forums are a little full of immature members, and could use a few more intelligent posters. I'm not saying this is permanent, it's just going to last until I beat Realist in a grey vs grey match.

[allstarGL]

So is it ok to do it while looking at the enchantress? KIDDING! I'm not a freak

[GreenS@murai!]

What the....I can imagine that one Family guy episode where Chris goes "uhhhWHUTT?"

[imagination]

No it dosen't..

It's healthy..
not in excess ... if you "release" every so often its healthy but lets say you do it every night for 10 years (blopwing this way outa proportion) ... your gonna see some effects.

[Wizzy`]

Sir Vival as you knew him is still amongst (sp?) you in these forums. Unfortunately, he's waiting to be unbanned. Until then, you're going to have to put up with Doc <3. Not to mention, these forums are a little full of immature members, and could use a few more intelligent posters. I'm not saying this is permanent, it's just going to last until I beat Realist in a grey vs grey match.


I miss Vival. ;)


So is it ok to do it while looking at the enchantress? KIDDING! I'm not a freak

Dont we all?

EDIT: Oh..didnt see the black. . .

[meat.eater]

Jesus HAD to have masterbated.

He would deff be the son of god if he went is whole life without masterbating.

[Edmaster]

According to the Catholic Church, I believe it is considered a sin. Of course, that doesn't stop people from doing it, just like people still get drunk, have sex (outside of marriage), and smoke marijuana, despite what their religions may preach.

[Megabyte]

Jesus HAD to have masterbated.

He would deff be the son of god if he went is whole life without masterbating.

or a eunuch

[meat.eater]

Sex isnt a sin. Just pre-marriage intercourse.

Annnd, now im running late. Damn the addictiveness of the TAO forums.

[tyu]

I heard that someone at school masterbated with Icy-Hot.

[meat.eater]

Lol mega. Only problem is that he PROBABLY wasnt Asian. But, i mean, he was a miracle. We dont know!

Maybe thats why he never married.

Even women back then knew what they wanted - and they wanted the goods...

[Sluff]

No. Its just a normal, personal thing many people do. Christians probably do it all the time too. It is no sin, and trust me on this one, because I'm a Christian.

[Matt 34.5]

It is no sin, and trust me on this one, because I'm a Christian.
and I know what every white guy thinks, and trust me I know because Im caucasian. ;)

[Doctor Love]

I heard that someone at school masterbated with Icy-Hot.
Hmm. My friend and I have done something similar. I just put it on my balls and ran around screaming. He tried masturbating with it and ran into the bathroom and put water on it.


Ouch.

[meat.eater]

Try using gold bond. Its bliss.

[Megabyte]

I heard that someone at school masterbated with Icy-Hot.
:dry: I'm kinda curious now...though I'd think that would burn...

Lol mega. Only problem is that he PROBABLY wasnt Asian.

wth?

[meat.eater]

Isnt a eunuch a man (normally police officer) sent to watch over Asian harems, and they castrate him so he isnt tempted?

My world history isnt perfect.

[Megabyte]

Isnt a eunuch a man (normally police officer) sent to watch over Asian harems, and they castrate him so he isnt tempted?

My world history isnt perfect.

well, that would be a possible job of a eunuch I guess
eunuch is simply a castrated male

to my historical knowledge, they're actually a common part of christianity's history and such

[Office_Shredder]

Of course masturbation is a sin! Imagine one day, you're sitting in your chair, and BAM! You pop just when someone walks in. You could take a frickin eye out. Obviously god doesn't want you to take that chance, and therefore bans masturbation.

[Zoticus]

Of course masturbation is a sin! Imagine one day, you're sitting in your chair, and BAM! You pop just when someone walks in. You could take a frickin eye out. Obviously god doesn't want you to take that chance, and therefore bans masturbation.
You must have done this before, bravo bravo.

Actually 60% of single guys masturbate.

[Office_Shredder]

You must have done this before, bravo bravo.

Actually 60% of single guys masturbate.

Re-interpret: 40% of single guys haven't seen porn before

[Zoticus]

Darn you guys, now I will have to spend 8 months reading the bible untile I find where it says masturbation is a sin. :(

[Office_Shredder]

Darn you guys, now I will have to spend 8 months reading the bible untile I find where it says masturbation is a sin. :(

Y'know, if you want on the front page:

Man Dies in Masturbation Accident
Police allege 14 year old assaulted father with jizz


Then go ahead and be my guest

[S_K_O_F]

I am ashamed to say that this is the best thread that has been on the forums in a long time.

[Wizzy`]

Isnt a eunuch a man (normally police officer) sent to watch over Asian harems, and they castrate him so he isnt tempted?

My world history isnt perfect.


I tried to find that pic of you with your dogs bone in your hand, and your hand really red. . .And your dogs bone looked like a..well..you know.

[meat.eater]

well, that would be a possible job of a eunuch I guess
eunuch is simply a castrated male

to my historical knowledge, they're actually a common part of christianity's history and such

I believe the truest definition is the watcher of Asian harems and the term became more widespread to describe castrated people.

[battle composed]

Self-gratification is good. There's less bickering and there's 100% satisfaction ALL the time. ONLY 60% masturbate? WE can do a poll right here!

When eunuchs rose in power in the courts of a certain self-styled emperor, people castrated themselves to get into the palace and hopefully, into power. This is the same people who believed that their body comes from their parents and must not be harmed. It is a mark of the obsolute power of the monarch that the wise do not speak up about this. A moment of pain, a lifetime of riches.

I heard some of the ones church singing are castrated to keep their voices. Don't know enough about music to know what pitch they belong to, but I do know they sing the high notes. :p

[Megabyte]

Actually 60% of single guys masturbate.

where exactly did that number come from anyways?

I'd call it more like +90% at a low point if we're just gonna toss a number out.
And yes, anyone who says they don't or hasn't, I'm calling you a liar.

Girls? Different subject, one of which I will not profess a knowledge of the statistical average.

[~GooseR~]

lol is this is confession room or what cause im not telling you what i did last night :cool:

[Doctor Love]

where exactly did that number come from anyways?

I'd call it more like +90% at a low point if we're just gonna toss a number out.
And yes, anyone who says they don't or hasn't, I'm calling you a liar.

Girls? Different subject, one of which I will not profess a knowledge of the statistical average.
They never admit it, but once you start going out with them all of the sudden they "start out of nowhere".
Either way I agree with Megabyte.

[Realist]

You must have done this before, bravo bravo.

Actually 60% of single guys masturbate.

Uh...more like 97%, according to polls, and it is likely that the other 3% are liars. :)

[Realist]

Darn you guys, now I will have to spend 8 months reading the bible untile I find where it says masturbation is a sin. :(

There is nowhere in the Bible that says masturbation is a sin. Now, if you're a Catholic, or some other types of Catholic-like Christian, or a Jew, the Bible is not your only source for sin knowledge. But if you're a Protestant Biblical literalist, I don't see any reason to be against masturbation per se, though as SKOF said, masturbation does usually come alongside thoughts which may themselves be sinful.

[~SlayeR~]

Uh...more like 97%, according to polls, and it is likely that the other 3% are liars. :)
So what you are trying to say is that every man on earth does masterbate ? :p

[Jeffery]

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P88.HTM

Seems the Vatican thinks masturbation is bad. mmkay?
"Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices."

Of course, the one above it seems contradictory:
"Chastity means the integration of sexuality within the person. It includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery."

Seems to me that Masturing ones self would be unchastically.

[~SlayeR~]

hmm i will have to agree with jeffery, simply becaue it was long and it had big words in it that some i did not understand :p

[Scorpionz]

ok i just spent 10 mins reading the darn thread and im up to date :)

Masturbation Isn't a sin. "Sexual Offences" Are sins. "stealing" is a sin.

What does "god" care if you play around with somthing he gave you. Its not his :D Anyways i dont masturbate I've Got a better way : )

[Cuathon]

well apparently a lot of women masturbate, i was hella bored one day and i went through the books my parents keep in my room and found one called like, the hyde report about female sexuality.

[marijuana]

well apparently a lot of women masturbate, i was hella bored one day and i went through the books my parents keep in my room and found one called like, the hyde report about female sexuality.

And..?

You Horny horny boy.

[Cuathon]

oh yar!

[Jeffery]

*and now for something completely the same*

http://www.dorks.com/html/Masturbating-Kangaroo.html

Who says it's just people?

[sayter]

No, it is not a sin, for males OR females.

Firstly, no book can tell you what you can and cannot do. If you ARE religious, you know that god gave you free will. Masturbation harms no one, and if anything can contribute to celibacy for the truly faithful. You can get your sexual urges released without resorting to sex before marriage, etc.

Personally, I think anyone that views masturbation as a sin is both a moron and useless. Considering that it was a bunch of men that wrote the bible, I find it especially humorous. Every man I have ever met masturbates. And any that say they don't are liars. Us females may not do it as often in most cases, but we are just as guilty on the general whole. I have a special place in my heart ( and top dresser drawer) for my toys :)

[sayter]

And I also love the blatant brainwashing I saw in one of the posts here

"my sunday school said its wrong, so I guess its wrong"

Riiiiiiiiight. And if your parents tell you that murdering your neighbors family is okay, then I guess its okay?

And if a teacher tells you its okay to cheat on a math exam, I guess thats fine too?

How about if.......you get the idea. NO ONE has a right to tell you what you can and cannot do. We are limited only by our own perceptions of reality. If you are so foolish that someone else can tell you what is your moral or ethical views instead of you deciding for yourself, then you have lost the ability of freedom of choice. Something your "god" wanted you to have. That is what makes you special to him, is it not? Free will?

*sigh*

I love how even religions bastardize their own teachings on a daily basis.

[sayter]

and furthermore, thoughts can never be sinful. Thats why they are thoughts and not actions. Thinking about something isnt sinful. It may be impure, or "wrong" by social standards. But it is not a sin. To sin, we must act. Thought is inaction, as it precedes the actual act itself. Acting OUT the thoughts is what is sinful.

For example, we have all thought "that teacher is a @#@#%@%@" ....woudlnt this be a sin? Love Thy Neighbor, and all? If thought is a sin, then not a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL on the ENTIRE PLANET in the history of our species is going to heaven. Period. Even ghandi had mean thoughts.

[Scorpionz]

That Is VERY VERY true. In Fact Im Masturbating Right Now. Im not really so dont get horny u sicko : p

[Scorpionz]

That Is VERY VERY true. In Fact Im Masturbating Right Now. Im not really so dont get horny u sicko : p


Joking:dry: :dry: :dry: :cool:

[kegsworth]

Haha, I decided to get to work early to check into TAO. Had I known we would be discussing this, I would not have worried myself. ;)

Onto the topic:

Nowhere in the bible does it say [directly] that masturbation is a sin. But, lets put all the pieces of the puzzle together, and see what we get.

I'm going to aim this at the men so I don't have to keep repeating myself, and rephrasing it for the females who might be reading this. Also, I'm going to come at you with a biblical context.

While you are masturbating, what are you thinking about? Usually women (one can only hope). That is called adultery, for "if a man looketh upon a women and lusteth after her, he has commited adultery". Thinking about having sex with someone, period, is as bad as if you did have sex with her/him.

Now, this is where it becomes a bit hypocritical, but hear me out. Masturbation inside the boundaries of marriage, is not a sin. I.E. You are thinking of your wife/husband, while you are masturbating.

I hope I've cleared a few things up, if you have any questions, go ahead and ask.

Edit: I started typing this before sayter posted, I guess he beat me to it. :)

[Scorpionz]

That puts it all in perspective :)

How can i get married to 20 People ? :(

[sayter]

Kegsworth:

Interesting point of view. However, it is my understanding that you must be married in order to commit adultery in the first place. Lust is nto masterbating, either.

I can masterbate whiel thinking about pizza. I can do it while im ni the shower wondering what I am going to do in the office that day. Granted, neither are exactly "hot", but it can be done.

Sexual thoughts do NOT necessarily equate to masterbation or lust. Lust, I see, as a long-term fixation on someone. IE: OMG OMG ANGELINA JOLIE IS SOOOOOOOO HOT. Repeat x40 over a period of 6 years.

Or alternatively, the way I stare at my neighbor, and have for the last couple years. He is just.....daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn fine. I lust after him. However, he is not the subject of my evey masturbatory fantasy. Hardly even an eighth of them.

Furthermore, think of porn. You dont lust after the porn star, usually. Its a temporary imaginary vagina. It serves its purpose and then you forget about it until the next time its Wacky Wacky time, right? You dont lie awake at night thinking about it. IF you do, you are a loser. lol.


The bible, I believe, merely means lust in that sense. As in, you think about it. Often or all the time. It permeates your thoughts whenever you see Person X, and stays with you all day. You can't help it. They are just in your mind. It works the same for males and females.

Sadly, what the bible fails to mention is the fact that this is hormone and pheromone based, and cannot necessarily be controlled in all cases. A large part of sexual attraction is mental, true. That part can be moderated by oneself. The rest is purely chemical.

[Megabyte]

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P88.HTM

Seems the Vatican thinks masturbation is bad. mmkay?
"Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices."

Of course, the one above it seems contradictory:
"Chastity means the integration of sexuality within the person. It includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery."

Seems to me that Masturing ones self would be unchastically.


So apparently I'm really good at this whole chastity thing.

And after (attempting to) discuss this topic with a variety of female friends, I've gotten knowhere except for being called gross in a variety of ways.

[Jeffery]

Sayter, you should REALLY read the bible before deciding what it says or means.

Job 31:11-12 "For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished. It is a devastating fire that destroys to hell. It would wipe out everything I own."
Exodus 20:14, 17 "Do not commit adultery. . . Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else your neighbor owns,"
Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Notice that Mathew 5:28 says even LOOKING at a woman with lust is committing adultry.
The bible does not say it has to be "often" or "constant". Looking at your neighbor ONCE with lust is enough.

[Doctor Love]

Sayter, you should REALLY read the bible before deciding what it says or means.

Job 31:11-12 "For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished. It is a devastating fire that destroys to hell. It would wipe out everything I own."
Exodus 20:14, 17 "Do not commit adultery. . . Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else your neighbor owns,"
Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Notice that Mathew 5:28 says even LOOKING at a woman with lust is committing adultry.
The bible does not say it has to be "often" or "constant". Looking at your neighbor ONCE with lust is enough.
Agreed.
[Phone just rang, I'll edit this post with more later.]

[S_K_O_F]

Sayter, you should REALLY read the bible before deciding what it says or means.

Job 31:11-12 "For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished. It is a devastating fire that destroys to hell. It would wipe out everything I own."
Exodus 20:14, 17 "Do not commit adultery. . . Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else your neighbor owns,"
Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Notice that Mathew 5:28 says even LOOKING at a woman with lust is committing adultry.
The bible does not say it has to be "often" or "constant". Looking at your neighbor ONCE with lust is enough.

Thank you Jeffery. Your skills of research are unsurpassed around here.

[Zoticus]

Sayter, you should REALLY read the bible before deciding what it says or means.

Job 31:11-12 "For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished. It is a devastating fire that destroys to hell. It would wipe out everything I own."
Exodus 20:14, 17 "Do not commit adultery. . . Do not covet your neighbor’s house. Do not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else your neighbor owns,"
Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Notice that Mathew 5:28 says even LOOKING at a woman with lust is committing adultry.
The bible does not say it has to be "often" or "constant". Looking at your neighbor ONCE with lust is enough.
Thank you Jeffery, you saved me a lot of time reading the bible. You are one of a kind in reaseaching.

[Wizzy`]

Yeah, he's kinda scary like that. :)

[noobslayer88]

i sorry but this thread is pathetic. Who cares what god or some christians say anyway, most religious authorities are hypocrites anyway. the sad thing is we're all nerds, cuz we play this game and post on this forum. this topic has nothing to do with the game and shows exactly who plays it, nerds and geeks who can't get any. there's more to life than lust, too. This is sad and i was shocked to see so many replies and responses. keep it to yourselves! plz don't share any personal anecdotes:bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :eek: :eek:

[Matt 34.5]

i sorry but this thread is pathetic. Who cares what god or some christians say anyway, most religious authorities are hypocrites anyway. the sad thing is we're all nerds, cuz we play this game and post on this forum. this topic has nothing to do with the game and shows exactly who plays it, nerds and geeks who can't get any. there's more to life than lust, too. This is sad and i was shocked to see so many replies and responses. keep it to yourselves! plz don't share any personal anecdotes:bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :eek: :eek:
You were sining while you wrote that werent you?

[finalfantasyt]

i sorry but this thread is pathetic.
1.) Who cares what god or some christians say anyway, most religious authorities are hypocrites anyway.
2.) the sad thing is we're all nerds, cuz we play this game and post on this forum. this topic has nothing to do with the game and shows exactly who plays it, nerds and geeks who can't get any.
3.) there's more to life than lust, too. This is sad and i was shocked to see so many replies and responses. keep it to yourselves! plz don't share any personal anecdotes:bad: :bad: :bad: :bad: :eek: :eek:
1.) Would you like to know who cares what God thinks? Well, you will when you die and spend a good long time in purgatory.
2.) Just because a person plays a certain game or posts on a certain forum he/she is not necessarily like the other players/posters. You can't make generalizations about large groups like this.
3.) Yes, that's exactly why this thread exists; so that people can share their opinions on the subject. Also, you don't have to read this thread; if you don't want to hear discussion about topics like this, then stay away from threads that you don't like.

Most of what I have to say has already been said, but my opinion is that masturbation is a sin, and that people whose religions don't allow it shouldn't do it. If one has a religion that accepts it, I think God will understand, and will not count it as bad of a sin.

[Realist]

Of course, according to Matt 5, anger is also a sin, as is divorce. And Jesus says in that very chapter:

Matt 5:
[40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
[41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
[42] Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

And:

[25] Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

I won't say that the precepts in Matt 5 are impossible to follow, but I will say that most who would vocally oppose masturbation based on what is said in that chapter do not live up to its other standards.

[finalfantasyt]

I am well aware that anger is looked down upon. I did my best at controlling it, and managed not to insult noobslayer88 at all. However, I do have to protect my beliefs, and when someone is obviously and knowingly disrespecting God, I tend to get a bit...frustrated.

[noobslayer88]

I don't want to be disrespecting God, i love god i love jesus. God also doesn't have that much spare time (heh heh), and probably doesn't monitor it constantly. Plus one can't literally interpret the bible anyway. and i don't think god meant that we can't stare a little...Look..if so much of these "sins" are going on, along with the million other moral, social, economic, political, environmental problems the world has...has God given up on earth because we've screwed it up to the point where it is irreversable?

[finalfantasyt]

I don't want to be disrespecting God, i love god i love jesus. God also doesn't have that much spare time (heh heh), and probably doesn't monitor it constantly. Plus one can't literally interpret the bible anyway. and i don't think god meant that we can't stare a little...Look..if so much of these "sins" are going on, along with the million other moral, social, economic, political, environmental problems the world has...has God given up on earth because we've screwed it up to the point where it is irreversable?
How would people sinning mean that God has given up on us? God gave us free choice. We can choose to do good, and prosper. Or, we can choose to do bad, and suffer. The problems in the world you speak of are the result of human sin and human mistakes. It's true that one person cannot be perfect, but each person can be as good as possible.

And God is watching everyone, always. He exists outside of time. So don't hink you can sneak something past him.

[Warcow]

Thank you Jeffery. Your skills of research are unsurpassed around here.

You sin every time you see the six letters in my name don't you :wub:

[Scorpionz]

He Actually gets a pain in his butt :p

[Jeffery]

Of course, according to Matt 5, anger is also a sin, as is divorce. And Jesus says in that very chapter:

Matt 5:
[40] And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
[41] And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
[42] Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

And:

[25] Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

I won't say that the precepts in Matt 5 are impossible to follow, but I will say that most who would vocally oppose masturbation based on what is said in that chapter do not live up to its other standards.


Yes, i agree that many things said in the Bible are hard to live up to in todays standards.
I wasn't giving my opinion, just pointing out what the Bible had to say about certain things.

The way i figure it, Gog killed off jesus, which means I have free reign to do anything I want.

The only sin (going new testament here) that you can;t ask for forgiveness on would be suicide. Everything else i can repent, say a few "I'm sorry"'s, and kick my way through the gates.

[Pinkie TDP]

i sorry but this thread is pathetic. Who cares what god or some christians say anyway, most religious authorities are hypocrites anyway.

So God's a hypocrite? And I would think there are some people out there that care what God thinks... Chistianity is a pretty big religion.

the sad thing is we're all nerds, cuz we play this game and post on this forum. this topic has nothing to do with the game and shows exactly who plays it, nerds and geeks who can't get any.

So NO ONE that plays TAO or posts on the forum has sex? I know I got some last night... your argument is flawed.

[bullseye]

If I may quote Ko

Pinkie's bed gets moer ass than a toilet seat

[sayter]

more ass than a toilet seat eh? Her bed ain't the only one, gentlemen. *smirk*

[S_K_O_F]

more ass than a toilet seat eh? Her bed ain't the only one, gentlemen. *smirk*

This is going to turn in to a "Who gets more ass" competition isn't it?

[Xenon]

I think it someone's own personal view as to whther they think it's wrong or not...

and what is that crap that people say it makes you go blind? LMAO.

[sayter]

And interesting points on "Lust"

However, since the bible is largely meant to be interpreted, and should NEVER be taken literally, it still doesn't necessarily mean that that is exactly what was intended. Especially when you factor in the reality that it has been "edited" many times over the last thousand years. Every religion has a different stance on "lust".

The government would handle adultery as "cheating on ones spouse" and not "looking at someone who happens to be attractive", and I think this view is a lot less narrow minded and preposterous. Especially given the fact that if taken EXACTLY literally as you quoted from scripture, then abiding by our natural instincts and habits is a sin in and of itself.

Which, for the record, is utterly idiotic. That's like saying Thou Shalt Not Eat. If we don't look at someone with lust in our eyes, in the first place, then we don't get a mate. Ever. And therefore don't breed. And therefore our species would be doomed to extinction over a few short generations. (Unless of course you factor in arranged marriages, which is something not exactly big in Christian dogma [though it may well have been a long while back])

So really, what is a worse sin? Ignoring our instincts and natural tendencies because a book tells us too? Or living life as we were meant to because it is essential for the ebtterment of the species as a whole?

The entire Masturbation vs Non-Masturbation discussion is interesting though. I find it rather humorous that there can be so very many differing opinions, both among religious and non-religious folk about such a natural thing.

Bonobo monkeys do it. Dogs do it. Even cats do it. So do we. We are animals just like the rest of the mammal kingdom. (anyone aware of whether or not avians and reptilians masturbate?)

[sayter]

S_k_o_f

not competing. Just stating :)

[Pinkie TDP]

This is going to turn in to a "Who gets more ass" competition isn't it?

Nah. :)

Because like I've said a million times before, people who have to claim/advertise something about themselves usually aren't what they say they are.

[S_K_O_F]

Nah. :)

Because like I've said a million times before, people who have to claim/advertise something about themselves usually aren't what they say they are.

Oh...then should I apply this principle to your previous post?

[Pinkie TDP]

Oh...then should I apply this principle to your previous post?

*shrug*

You could if you want, but it was Valentines Day and my fiance dropped a ton of money on me... I think it would be safe to say he got some. :wink2: It's kind of a different situation then saying "I have sex all the time".

[S_K_O_F]

*shrug*

You could if you want, but it was Valentines Day and my fiance dropped a ton of money on me... I think it would be safe to say he got some. :wink2: It's of a different situation then saying "I have sex all the time".

YOU WHORE!!! :p Poor guy has to break the bank just to get some???

[Pinkie TDP]

YOU WHORE!!! :p Poor guy has to break the bank just to get some???

Haha! Yeah, good plan huh? It's like a real marriage or something.

Kidding. :)

[Twelve]

Simply put. Is the act of masturbation a sin? I'm just curious. Recently I've been trying to make an attempt at studing Christianity and understanding everything behind it. I know this isn't a key factor, but one of my friends mentioned it, and I'm not aware that it mentions this in the Bible. So, is masturbation a sin?
This should be appropriate. Anyone on these forums is older than 13 years old (or agree to be when they join), so moderators if this isn't appropriate please enlighten me as to why?

I don't know if this question has been answered because I haven't looked through the entire thread...lol.

Truth is, the Bible has no direct teaching against masturbation. This is just the truth.

However, the Bible does stand for the ideas of abstinence before marriage and then staying true to that person upon marriage. My view of the matter is this; if you let ANYTHING get in the way between you and making amazing sex to someone you love, then that's where the "sin" comes into play.

Are you somebody who would prefer to play with yourself rather than going out and getting the real thing? Sin.

Are you somebody who will opt to play with yourself before doing it with your partner? Sin.

Sex is a healthy part of building up a relationship with THAT person, something God adores (read Song of Solomon, all ye who think God doesn't love sex. ;) ). If you playing with yourself gets in the way of that, then it's a sin.

Dr., if you're truly studying the Bible, you'll find that sin is not doing something wrong...it's the ABUSE of something that should be done correctly.



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[yall are ded]

I don't know if this question has been answered because I haven't looked through the entire thread...lol.

Truth is, the Bible has no direct teaching against masturbation. This is just the truth.

However, the Bible does stand for the ideas of abstinence before marriage and then staying true to that person upon marriage. My view of the matter is this; if you let ANYTHING get in the way between you and making amazing sex to someone you love, then that's where the "sin" comes into play.

Are you somebody who would prefer to play with yourself rather than going out and getting the real thing? Sin.

Are you somebody who will opt to play with yourself before doing it with your partner? Sin.

Sex is a healthy part of building up a relationship with THAT person, something God adores (read Song of Solomon, all ye who think God doesn't love sex. ;) ). If you playing with yourself gets in the way of that, then it's a sin.

Dr., if you're truly studying the Bible, you'll find that sin is not doing something wrong...it's the ABUSE of something that should be done correctly.



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Well said.

However if you do this while thinking about someone to get you going. That is a sin and(I forgot where.) but, the Bible says that is like having sex with the person you are thinking about. Which in these terms is like you are violating the other person. I just know that this is how it starts ussualy.
improper thoughts - masturbation - heavy porn - rape
Point to state: Keep you mind clean or you body WILL be dirty.

[Northwind]

Well said.

However if you do this while thinking about someone to get you going. That is a sin and(I forgot where.) but, the Bible says that is like having sex with the person you are thinking about. Which in these terms is like you are violating the other person. I just know that this is how it starts ussualy.
improper thoughts - masturbation - heavy porn - rape
Point to state: Keep you mind clean or you body WILL be dirty.
I gotta disagree here. First of all, the bizarre chain of "improper thoughts - masturbation - heavy porn - rape" is just weird. 100% of us have had "improper thoughts," 99% of us have masturbated, but a minority of us are into "heavy porn" and none (I hope) of us have raped someone. Therefore, there is no link between masturbation and rape (or rape would be a hell of a lot more common). This also misses the point that rape is generally a crime about power and not about sex.

I won't even get into the argument about the unhelpful notion that anything having to do with the body or bodily desires is "unclean." (Which I find ridiculous.)

And multiple people have brought up the "improper thoughts/lusting in my heart" as Biblical sins. I am aware of the Biblical passage that mentions this, though I can't imagine a more absurd prohibition -- you can't even THINK unclean thoughts? Talk about impossible standards! It also totally blurs the line between thought and action. Personally, I frequently (Frequently!) think about doing a variety of socially inappropriate acts. However, I don't actually do those. I feel pretty good about the fact that I don't have to do everything I think of and I'm not gonna beat myself (get it?) up for anything that I think.

Also, for the people that said that masturbation is bad for you or bad for your relationships, this is simply not true. Absolutely no harm results from masturbation and there is no reason that it should interfere with sexual interactions with others.

Bottom line: There's nothing wrong with masturbating. Don't bother letting guilty feelings stop you from masturbating (cause we both know you're gonna do it anyway). You might, however, consider refraining from this activity in public. I hear people can get a bit uptight about that.

[yall are ded]

Yeah but ieach of those things lead to each other. The need for phyisical pleasure overwhelms commen sense and caring for others, these things lead to sex crimes. This happens in most of the cases of a rapist. We did a project on this in school;)

[Matt 34.5]

Yeah but ieach of those things lead to each other. The need for phyisical pleasure overwhelms commen sense and caring for others, these things lead to sex crimes. This happens in most of the cases of a rapist. We did a project on this in school;)
I'd say most men in the world masturbate. Just because they (sexual offenders) all have the masturbation thing in common doesn't mean its linked. I mean.. If the average of them didn't brush their teeth as often as they should, would you suspect that to be the reason they commit sexual crimes?

[yall are ded]

No it is because they are haviong pysical pleasure in the genital area. They want more and will do something for it. Then comes bordom and they want the real thing. Then a drive comes and things happen. And this doesn't happen to everyone but it ussualy takes a pattern. Prevention is the best medicine. Again I emphisize: This does not happen to 80% of people. but the rate of victims and offenders are increasing. This saddens me. Doesn't it sadden you?

[Northwind]

No it is because they are haviong pysical pleasure in the genital area. They want more and will do something for it. Then comes bordom and they want the real thing. Then a drive comes and things happen. And this doesn't happen to everyone but it ussualy takes a pattern. Prevention is the best medicine. Again I emphisize: This does not happen to 80% of people. but the rate of victims and offenders are increasing. This saddens me. Doesn't it sadden you?
yall,

Just to let you know, your arguments are not logically sound. You are proposing a theory (masturbation leads to more masturbation leads to rape) that has NO data to support it. Obviously, rape is bad and yes, I am saddened if the rate of rape is increasing (I haven't seen these statistics). However, preventing masturbation will have NO effect on rape rates. If, as you claim, rape rates are increasing, then according to your logic, that would mean that masturbation rates increased at some point in the past (which led to more masturbation which led to more rapes). I would argue that masturbation rates have pretty much held steady throughout history (at about 99%).

Unless you have some actual data to support your position, your argument is a house of cards and falls apart. It's a shame they didn't teach you this basic fact of science in school.

[Warcow]

Just to put something in perspective with what Northwind said. I instantly remembered this from my textbook after reading what Twelve said, and I thought I should quote it for you people.

This taken directly from a University psychology textbook. Link for evidence of valid textbook. (http://www.adaptivemind2e.nelson.com)

And I quote,

"Recent findings by Sandra Byers and Christine Purdon of the University of Waterloo and David Clark of the University of New Brunswick have illustrate the powerfully compelling nature of sexual motivation (Byers et al, 1998). These researchers found that 84% of Canadian University students they surveyed had experienced 'intrusive sexual thoughts' -- sudden and involentary sexual images or cognitions that were not part of a consciously determined voluntary fantasy."

If 84% reported it, the actual number experiencing these thought is quite probably a fair bit higher.

That would mean that 84% of people sin involuntarily because their natural urges somehow conjure up sexual images? I'm sorry, but that seems incredibly silly to me for something so obviously natural.

If you're going to build an argument for masturbation being a sin on something like that . . . I think you need to re-examine human nature, because your god definitely built us to fail if thats true.

[yall are ded]

Yeah I did. Have you ever been to silver ring thing? They have ALL the facts there. It is just a patern of perversion that starts with small thing such as masturbation. That is all I'm saying.
Edit: to Warcow: Yes the bible says we are destined to fail. To fail at being perfect. That is why he gives forgiveness. You have sadly misinterpreted the Bible I am afraid. It is all about second chances my friend. We all sin and there is nothing we can do about it but try to please our vices and or gods(being of a pysical nature or spiritual)

[Warcow]

Yeah I did. Have you ever been to silver ring thing? They have ALL the facts there. It is just a patern of perversion that starts with small thing such as masturbation. That is all I'm saying.

Please link some kind of site or reference for all these things you claim are facts. Right now, we see someone blinding spouting things which may or may not be true to support a very flimsy argument.

[yall are ded]

We learned these things at health class I am afraid and I only speak what I was told. My statement AND my belief stands. Take it for what you want.
Oh yeah I got alot of the pattern argument from this "criminal Mind Investigation" documentary on TV.

[Warcow]

Yeah I did. Have you ever been to silver ring thing? They have ALL the facts there. It is just a patern of perversion that starts with small thing such as masturbation. That is all I'm saying.
Edit: to Warcow: Yes the bible says we are destined to fail. To fail at being perfect. That is why he gives forgiveness. You have sadly misinterpreted the Bible I am afraid. It is all about second chances my friend. We all sin and there is nothing we can do about it but try to please our vices and or gods(being of a pysical nature or spiritual)

But don't you see how that doesn't make any sense? We sin simply by being alive aparently, because most of us (84% reported) can't help the "impure" thoughts that randomly pop into our heads. If we're sinning just by being alive, how is masturbating any worse? It's aparently a sin based on things we can't help, so I don't see how gratifying those urges can be faulted.

[yall are ded]

Sins are all dubbed equally by the Bible. We all sin. We all sin but some of us make it more of a wanted habit. A sin is a sin, what can I say.

Perspective for a second. We were created perfect. Man fell when we disobeyed God.(genesis) Sin entered the world and we are now born with it. Born into sin we sin regularly and sometimes uncontrolably. God gave us a second chance to atone for our sins.

Now my point. If a person is born with a disease that will last his entire life. Will not that disease be present his entire life and cannot be helped. I compare that to sin

As for the urges. I get them all the time. I calm my mind and think on other things. I would rather wait to indulge those urges until I have a wife.

[Twelve]

Warcow and Northwind, you guys don't believe in the Christian God, which is the basis of this thread, so why are you even speaking of the system of a sin?

OF COURSE it isn't a sin to you because you don't believe in the Christian God. I don't see how the two of you bear weight here, honestly. Am I missing something?

As for the definition of lust; Ya'll, of course you'll get thoughts. The question is, do you dwell on them? Just having a lustful thought isn't a sin, just as seeing a hot girl isn't a sin(or I would be screwed...lol). But if I dwelled on it and built up on it...then the teachings in Matthew 5 apply.

Look...a well-sexed individual doesn't have to masturbate OR lust all over everything he/she sees...

It's like, if you're well fed, you don't even want to THINK about food!...lol.


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[Northwind]

Hey everybody,

Let's save the absurd "We are destined to sin" discussion for one of the religion threads and get back to masturbating. :huh:

Anyway, from one website (http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=2848198953177&lang=en-US&mkt=en-US&FORM=CVRE7):

Are there benefits to masturbation?
Yes. Masturbation can help relieve stress and:
Relieve menstrual cramps
Help for insomnia (i.e. when a person is having trouble falling asleep)
Stimulate the immune system to help build up resistance to common infections.
Release mood elevating hormones
Reduce embarrassing spontaneous erections for teen males
Reduce the number of unwanted wet dreams for young men
And -- it totally avoids the possibility of sexually transmitted diseases or pregnancy.

In short: Yeay! masturbation! (We could really use a masturbation smiley here.) :confused:

EDIT: IRT Twelve -- Actually there is research support for the idea that people who fantasize the most tend to report MORE satisfactory sex lives than those who do not.

To sum up: masturbation and fantasy = good. :)

[sayter]

pinkie:

valentines day. Otherwise known as Commercialist Day, but it gets me roses and chocolates. Never a bad thing :) And a nice dinner at a japanese restaurant never hurts !

[Twelve]

EDIT: IRT Twelve -- Actually there is research support for the idea that people who fantasize the most tend to report MORE satisfactory sex lives than those who do not.


Once again, I'm only answering the question on the thread title. Keep your masturbation "benefits", I'm only answering as to if it's a "sin" or not. For you, it's not a sin...but you also don't follow the Christian way.

As for the scientific reports that War and you have posted which supposedly tell me how I enjoy sex the most...

Science has always proven what society wants, number one.

Second of all, I am WELL fed, despite these supposed reports....hhaha!

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[sayter]

Thank you 12 and Northwind for bringing my point into light :) That it is natural and NOT a sin to masterbate.

Again showing that everyone interprets scripture ina vastly different way. And as for the unsubstantiated argumetns from "yall", please , if you want to spout things as 100% factual, provide numerical or statistical data to verify these claims.

Rape has nothing to do with sex. IT is all about power, plain and simple. The act of sex is performed yes, but its about dominance. There is no argument here. If the woman can overcome the rapist, the act ends immediately. Fear is the trigger. Withotu fear, the rape generally will be unsuccesful.

crap, boss just walked in. gotta flee!

[Warcow]

In short: Yeay! masturbation! (We could really use a masturbation smiley here.) :confused:


*Points at WaCk and Nomar*

To Twelve:

I don't need to be a believer in the bible to examine the passages people claim to show masturbation to be a sin, and find faults in the link.

What matters is that I believe that even if you believe in the Christian God, masturbation is not a sin, and I that I can write down my logic as to why I think that.

I don't believe in the christian god, but I think adultery itself is a sin based on the doctrine. (Is that fair?)

Quite honestly I'd be more likely to see masturbation as a prevention method to adultery. It's a release for sexual tension; if a man and a woman are going through a dry spell, and the man's berries start to go blue I think it's best that he spill it in a tissue than in his neighbour's wife wouldn't you agree?

[Twelve]

Thank you 12 and Northwind for bringing my point into light :) That it is natural and NOT a sin to masterbate.


Eh? Y-you're welcome??? (Did she read what I wrote? Oh well, who cares.)

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[Northwind]

As for the scientific reports that War and you have posted which supposedly tell me how I enjoy sex the most...

Science has always proven what society wants, number one.

Second of all, I am WELL fed, despite these supposed reports....hhaha!

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I'm not telling you how to enjoy sex, I'm just reporting the findings. Please note that a correlation between fantasizing and having a satisfactory sex life does NOT imply that to have a satisfactory sex life you MUST fantasize. (In that I am sure that the correlation was not at the 1.0 level.)

Also, I can't imagine that "society" has any vested interest in people going around fantasizing about sex. Second, science specifically does not always "prove what society wants." If this were the case, there would never be any scientific discoveries that go against prevailing "knowledge." (And we'd still think we were sitting on a flat, static earth that was the center of the universe.)

[Twelve]

*Points at WaCk and Nomar*

To Twelve:

I don't need to be a believer in the bible to examine the passages people claim to show masturbation to be a sin, and find faults in the link.

Well, yeah. Like I said, you won't find a link that directly says masturbation is a sin. But dwelling on lustful thoughts? That's clear. (Though honestly, it's not always true that you MUST dwell on lustful thoughts to masturbate).


What matters is that I believe that even if you believe in the Christian God, masturbation is not a sin, and I that I can write down my logic as to why I think that.

That would be like me telling a Muslim about how they should follow the K'oran. It's like, "Thanks for your opinion. But I must politely tell you that you don't know what you're talking about." ;)


I don't believe in the christian god, but I think adultery itself is a sin based on the doctrine. (Is that fair?)

Certainly. But the funny part about adultery is that you don't to be a Christian to feel bad about doing it. EVERY civilized society knew and knows that mess is wrong.


Quite honestly I'd be more likely to see masturbation as a prevention method to adultery. It's a release for sexual tension; if a man and a woman are going through a dry spell, and the man's berries start to go blue I think it's best that he spill it in a tissue than in his neighbour's wife wouldn't you agree?

HERE is where you've opened up the only exception that I can see to this. If indeed the person you're dedicated you is either purposefully holding off on you or is incapable of having sex for a long period of time(like a coma, for example...but that's only an extreme example...there are plenty of other ways), then yeah, I do believe it's better to masturbate then go out every day as horny as a rabbit in late spring.

But see, that's where we enter an interesting train of thought...

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[Realist]

Rape has nothing to do with sex. IT is all about power, plain and simple.The act of sex is performed yes, but its about dominance. There is no argument here. If the woman can overcome the rapist, the act ends immediately. Fear is the trigger. Withotu fear, the rape generally will be unsuccesful.
if you want to spout things as 100% factual, provide numerical or statistical data to verify these claims.
--

[Twelve]

Also, I can't imagine that "society" has any vested interest in people going around fantasizing about sex. Second, science specifically does not always "prove what society wants." If this were the case, there would never be any scientific discoveries that go against prevailing "knowledge." (And we'd still think we were sitting on a flat, static earth that was the center of the universe.)

Historically, NW, science has always proven what society wants. That's a documented fact. In the 1800's there were tons of "findings" proving that black people have a lesser IQ than white people. During the time of the Catholic control of society, there were plenty of "findings" showing the earth to be the center of the universe. Science has never been and will never be infallible. It always proves what people want.

So why would "popular" science want to prove that masturbation is better for you, in the post MTV, please-yourself-nothing-is-wrong-if-it-doesn't-harm-others, relative, Christianity-is-for-stupid-people generation?

I wonder?


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[Realist]

Historically, NW, science has always proven what society wants. That's a documented fact.

If by "science" you mean...oh never mind.

[Warcow]

Well, yeah. Like I said, you won't find a link that directly says masturbation is a sin. But dwelling on lustful thoughts? That's clear. (Though honestly, it's not always true that you MUST dwell on lustful thoughts to masturbate).Then it's a sin that can't be helped in the slightest and masturbation just just an extension of unavoidable sin.
That would be like me telling a Muslim about how they should follow the K'oran. It's like, "Thanks for your opinion. But I must politely tell you that you don't know what you're talking about." ;)More like saying, I think I'd agree with that Muslim's interpretation more.

Certainly. But the funny part about adultery is that you don't to be a Christian to feel bad about doing it. EVERY civilized society knew and knows that mess is wrong. Exactly, and yet not every society including all denomiations of Christianity believe that masturbation is a sin. Why should my interpretation based on the verses given that coincindes with that of actual christians be disregarded simply because I don't believe? I'm putting myself in the shoes of the believer here. If I really did truly believe in your god, I still wouldn't believe masturbation is a sin.

HERE is where you've opened up the only exception that I can see to this. If indeed the person you're dedicated you is either purposefully holding off on you or is incapable of having sex for a long period of time(like a coma, for example...but that's only an extreme example...there are plenty of other ways), then yeah, I do believe it's better to masturbate then go out every day as horny as a rabbit in late spring.

But see, that's where we enter an interesting train of thought...

12 So more grey area again, I'd call that fair game for debate. (Remider that I'm basing my judgements off of following the same verses you are.)

[Twelve]

If by "science" you mean...oh never mind.

Come, come! :bigsmile:



Then it's a sin that can't be helped in the slightest and masturbation just just an extension of unavoidable sin.
More like saying, I think I'd agree with that Muslim's interpretation more.

Nope. You're jumping over several steps and smashing too many into one.



If I really did truly believe in your god, I still wouldn't believe masturbation is a sin.

You know what? This is silly. I'm going to wait until you actually become a Christian to debate this. This is like when I was arguing about Noah's Ark with somebody, and my opponent wouldn't even read the text. How can you know about how you would act unless you've done it?




So more grey area again, I'd call that fair game for debate. (Remider that I'm basing my judgements off of following the same verses you are.)

Bottom line is this; if you're well-fed, you don't need to suck your thumb.

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[R G]

Historically, NW, science has always proven what society wants. That's a documented fact. In the 1800's there were tons of "findings" proving that black people have a lesser IQ than white people. During the time of the Catholic control of society, there were plenty of "findings" showing the earth to be the center of the universe. Science has never been and will never be infallible. It always proves what people want.

So why would "popular" science want to prove that masturbation is better for you, in the post MTV, please-yourself-nothing-is-wrong-if-it-doesn't-harm-others, relative, Christianity-is-for-stupid-people generation?

I wonder?


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That really is a great point...Science support societies desires because society supports science for the most part.

Ironic how some of the greatest Scientists remembered are those that "bucked the trend", so to speak, and went against what society wanted.

[Warcow]

Nope. You're jumping over several steps and smashing too many into one. So . . . you've got no retort then I'll assume?

You know what? This is silly. I'm going to wait until you actually become a Christian to debate this. This is like when I was arguing about Noah's Ark with somebody, and my opponent wouldn't even read the text. How can you know about how you would act unless you've done it? I am just reading the text quotations people have been using as an argument that it's a sin. If we're reading the same verses, I guess I have done it huh?

Bottom line is this; if you're well-fed, you don't need to suck your thumb.

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Obviously you're a very tradtional man. Thats fine, and if it works for you and your lady, awesome. There are also tons of more modern couples that do enjoy mutual masturbation, toying and all sorts of "sucking your thumb" type acts as you'd label them. Your definition of good sex and enough sex is not necessarily the same as someone else's.

[Realist]

That really is a great point...

No, it's an absolutely horrible point. Science by its very nature does not depend on social acceptability. People who base their beliefs on their society are not following science.

[Warcow]

No, it's an absolutely horrible point. Science by its very nature does not depend on social acceptability. People who base their beliefs on their society are not following science.

Yup, and we shouldn't remind Twelve how things in the bible today are just discarded because society doesn't accept them ;)

Thats why we still stone disobediant sons, sell our daughters into slavery, never work on the Sabbath, never eat pork, never have long hair etc. etc.

Oh wait :confused:

[Twelve]

Ironic how some of the greatest Scientists remembered are those that "bucked the trend", so to speak, and went against what society wanted.

EXACTLY. I hereby shower thee with rep. ;)

So . . . you've got no retort then I'll assume?

Dude, I already said my retort earlier. I'm not going to repeat what I said. Unless you are a Christian, you can never understand so trying to convince you of Biblical doctrine on this issue is useless. *shrugs*

I am just reading the text quotations people have been using as an argument that it's a sin. If we're reading the same verses, I guess I have done it huh?

Sure, dude.

Obviously you're a very tradtional man. Thats fine, and if it works for you and your lady, awesome. There are also tons of more modern couples that do enjoy mutual masturbation, toying and all sorts of "sucking your thumb" type acts as you'd label them. Your definition of good sex and enough sex is not necessarily the same as someone else's.

Me traditional? HAHAHAH...

Oh goodness...

Anyways, you're totally missing the point of what I'm saying, which is no surprise since you're not a Christian. If you'd gotten the point, you'd see that I have nothing against "mutual masterbation" that "modern" couples do.

Me traditional...oh man...

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[Twelve]

Yup, and we shouldn't remind Twelve how things in the bible today are just discarded because society doesn't accept them ;)

Thats why we still stone disobediant sons, sell our daughters into slavery, never work on the Sabbath, never eat pork, never have long hair etc. etc.

Oh wait :confused:

Oh, please. That argument isn't part of the good ones you've been making thus far.

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[Twelve]

No, it's an absolutely horrible point. Science by its very nature does not depend on social acceptability. People who base their beliefs on their society are not following science.

I hereby shower thee NOT with rep!

TRUE science doesn't have anything to do with society. You're correct. But all science is not true, and you cannot deny the fact that the military has always spearheaded scientific advancement. If that's not society leading science, I don't know what is.

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[Warcow]

Oh, please. That argument isn't part of the good ones you've been making thus far.

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You honestly don't think it's hypocritcal to say science tries to please society when Christianity has bent over backwards to conform to today's standards?

[Warcow]

Dude, I already said my retort earlier. I'm not going to repeat what I said. Unless you are a Christian, you can never understand so trying to convince you of Biblical doctrine on this issue is useless. *shrugs*

Sure, dude. I think you're being purposefully evasive because you have no good response, but I'll drop this.



Me traditional? HAHAHAH...

Oh goodness...

Anyways, you're totally missing the point of what I'm saying, which is no surprise since you're not a Christian. If you'd gotten the point, you'd see that I have nothing against "mutual masterbation" that "modern" couples do.

Me traditional...oh man...

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Fine, I'll stop beating around the bush.

I'm talking about circle jerks involving multiple partners outside the marriage, and partnerships where both partner is encouraged to actively envision someone else during masturbation and sex to help stimulate better sex lives.

I'd be willing to bet you don't participate in any of that. I was trying to be subtle by saying what I did.

[Realist]

TRUE science doesn't have anything to do with society. You're correct. But all science is not true, and you cannot deny the fact that the military has always spearheaded scientific advancement. If that's not society leading science, I don't know what is.

The military? Thats a very strange argument to make. :confused: The military tends to more interested in technology than academic science, but yeah, our society does tend support science quite a bit. That doesn't mean that little good science gets done. That's an interestingly ignorant view for someone who works at a university.

I'll actually agree with you that there is a lot of pop "science" out there that's totally worthless, most of which is not accepted by the scientific community as good science. I'll also be the first to admit the fallability of individual scientists and the way science is sometimes done today even within the scientific community, peer-reviewed journals, etc. There are a lot of problems. However, science as a philosophy of discovery is the most reliable method we have for finding the truth, and it is very often done well enough to give us a lot of truth. And when it is done correctly, as it often though not always is, the results are entirely independent of society.

[Twelve]

You honestly don't think it's hypocritcal to say science tries to please society when Christianity has bent over backwards to conform to today's standards?

See, that in itself is not the definition of Christianity. Christianity, much like "good" science, never conforms too well with society.

I think you're being purposefully evasive because you have no good response, but I'll drop this.

No, it's because I really hate to repeat myself, actually. I really did answer that point in an earlier post.

I'm talking about circle jerks involving multiple partners outside the marriage, and partnerships where both partner is encouraged to actively envision someone else during masturbation and sex to help stimulate better sex lives.

See...this isn't a matter of being modern. This is a matter of being-unChristian. If you can't see this, then another point of mine is made.

That doesn't mean that little good science gets done. That's an interestingly ignorant view for someone who works at a university.

I never said that there is little good science. I said...

I'll actually agree with you that there is a lot of pop "science" out there that's totally worthless

...what you agree with.

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[yall are ded]

And as for the unsubstantiated argumetns from "yall", please , if you want to spout things as 100% factual, provide numerical or statistical data to verify these claims.


Isn't that almost a copy-paste of what Warcow said....

Anyways guys. Doc. Love made this to be from a Christian perspective, so even though you guys have "facts from modern society" Christianity is a religion and in a whole other realm from the way most people now a days.

[ReTodd]

Bonobo monkeys masturbate and I am pretty sure animals aren't capable of sin. I'd rather people rub one out in the privacy of their home than walk around all jacked up on baby batter doing god knows what to innocent victims.

[Northwind]

Not to be picky 12, but what you actually said was:
Historically, NW, science has always proven what society wants.
'Cause I find your latter statement to be far more compelling and believable than the one quoted above. (And, I might note that your latter statement leaves room for the possibility that the study I cited was correct and not the result of the do-whatever-you-please-as-long-as-it-doesn't-harm-anyone societal view.) :)

[Twelve]

Bonobo monkeys masturbate and I am pretty sure animals aren't capable of sin. I'd rather people rub one out in the privacy of their home than walk around all jacked up on baby batter doing god knows what to innocent victims.

Monkeys are not humans. And since we're still in a thread began with a Christian point of view, Christ didn't die for monkeys either. You can't make that comparison.

As to the second half of your argument, I agree. But there's even a better solution...get into a healthy relationship.

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[Twelve]

Not to be picky 12, but what you actually said was:

'Cause I find your latter statement to be far more compelling and believable than the one quoted above. (And, I might note that your latter statement leaves room for the possibility that the study I cited was correct and not the result of the do-whatever-you-please-as-long-as-it-doesn't-harm-anyone societal view.) :)

Note that I never say that what society wants to prove is always FALSE, dude. But society does have science by a nose ring, and it's the rare great ones who buck the system.

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[yall are ded]

Monkeys are not humans. And since we're still in a thread began with a Christian point of view, Christ didn't die for monkeys either. You can't make that comparison.

Word.

get into a healthy relationship.


Word 2x.

[Northwind]

As to the second half of your argument, I agree. But there's even a better solution...get into a healthy relationship.

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I feel like I'm beating up on you 12 (which is not my intent), but I feel compelled to point out that it is a myth that being in a healthy sexual relationship and masturbating are (or should be) mutually exclusive.

[sayter]

12: wasnt done making my point, but the boss walked in :) was gettin to more after the fact...though now I have lost the train of thought. Just got a heap of additional bluddy coding to do thrown on my desk. I'll come back to my train of thought later (assuming there is ever time....ugh!)

[Twelve]

I feel like I'm beating up on you 12 (which is not my intent), but I feel compelled to point out that it is a myth that being in a healthy sexual relationship and masturbating are (or should be) mutually exclusive.

NW, you know I love this kind of stuff. ;)

And once again I just have to go to the title of this thread, which was written in a Christian context and under which I'm speaking. And isn't my opinion as good as yours or anyone else's? I think so.

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P.S. Ok Sayter.

[-57-]

This should be appropriate. Anyone on these forums is older than 13 years old (or agree to be when they join), so moderators if this isn't appropriate please enlighten me as to why?

Actualy you can easily be under 13 and not break the rules. It just asks for your parents email not yours. I would know, my 10 year old brother perticapates(sp?) on these forums ;)

[Northwind]

NW, you know I love this kind of stuff. ;)

And once again I just have to go to the title of this thread, which was written in a Christian context and under which I'm speaking.
I thought that it had been decided that there wasn't a specific prohibition against it, as long as your "fantasizing" was done about your spouse. I'd just assumed that the topic was now more generally open to masturbation and sexuality issues.
And isn't my opinion as good as yours?
Um . . . No, of course it isn't. Didn't you get the memo? :p

[ReTodd]

Monkeys are not humans. And since we're still in a thread began with a Christian point of view, Christ didn't die for monkeys either. You can't make that comparison.

As to the second half of your argument, I agree. But there's even a better solution...get into a healthy relationship.

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I concede on the Christian point because I cannot relate to people separating their religion from their science. Why are certain things sins? Please skip past the "because god says it is" argument.

The people I am worried about are not capable of a healthy relationship. Masturbation is a stress reliever and people are either going to take it out on their "little friend" or find creative albeit unhealthy ways to relieve their tension.

[Twelve]

I concede on the Christian point because I cannot relate to people separating their religion from their science. Why are certain things sins? Please skip past the "because god says it is" argument.

Earlier, I mentioned that sins are not just rules to give people a hard time. They're the abuse and/or overuse of normally good actions.

A basic example is alchohol. There are Christians that will say that even a sip is a deadly sin, when the Bible actually only says that we should not get drunk on it.




The people I am worried about are not capable of a healthy relationship. Masturbation is a stress reliever and people are either going to take it out on their "little friend" or find creative albeit unhealthy ways to relieve their tension.

Retodd, I think you're old enough to know that anybody who needs to masturbate to prevent themselves from doing a crime will eventually do that crime. We're not mere animals; we can exercise self-control.

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[Warcow]

No, it's because I really hate to repeat myself, actually. I really did answer that point in an earlier post. I've reread all your posts, and I don't see what you have said that has adressed it. Like I said though, I'll drop this.

See...this isn't a matter of being modern. This is a matter of being-unChristian. If you can't see this, then another point of mine is made. That wasn't my point with saying that. I was talking about your comment with not needing to "suck the thumb" even when "well fed". Quite obviously, some couples or individuals with more than sufficient sex lives still enjoy a good thumb suck. It's not like people with satisfied sex lives have no desire to masturbate. Hell, women are more likely to orgasm doing it themselves, and men report better climax as well in many cases. Why? Because you know what you like best.

[Twelve]

That wasn't my point with saying that. I was talking about your comment with not needing to "suck the thumb" even when "well fed". Quite obviously, some couples or individuals with more than sufficient sex lives still enjoy a good thumb suck. It's not like people with satisfied sex lives have no desire to masturbate. Hell, women are more likely to orgasm doing it themselves, and men report better climax as well in many cases. Why? Because you know what you like best.

Yes, and the examples you brought up of modern ways to masturbate are sinful...which brings us back to square one.

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[Warcow]

Yes, and the examples you brought up of modern ways to masturbate are sinful...which brings us back to square one.

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It does NOT. This was a direct reply to your closeminded comment about masturbation indicating you have a deficient sex-life. This is definitely not the case, I will cite studies and references is you need them.

These are healthy, loving couples that participate sometimes equally in "sinful" masturbation and lustful thoughts about others. Obviously getting some doesn't alleviate the need/desire to masturbate.

[Twelve]

It does NOT. This was a direct reply to your closeminded comment about masturbation indicating you have a deficient sex-life. This is definitely not the case, I will cite studies and references is you need them.

Not close-minded...CHRISTIAN-minded, which I know you view as close-minded anyhow, so...

baaaack to square-one we go again. We done dancing yet? :p

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[S_K_O_F]

It does NOT. This was a direct reply to your closeminded comment about masturbation indicating you have a deficient sex-life. This is definitely not the case, I will cite studies and references is you need them.

These are healthy, loving couples that participate sometimes equally in "sinful" masturbation and lustful thoughts about others. Obviously getting some doesn't alleviate the need/desire to masturbate.

I am a Christian, and I will say that I do not believe that masturbation indicates a deficient sex life. At least not all the time. For some, like my roommate, it may. :D But anyway...I stick to my original post. Which is what everyone keeps trying to say anyway.

If you can masturbate without adding sin to it, there is no reference in the bible saying that it is wrong, or is OK...it just isn't mentioned.

[Warcow]

Not close-minded...CHRISTIAN-minded, which I know you view as close-minded anyhow, so...

baaaack to square-one we go again. We done dancing yet? :p

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You're completely ignoring the point that kills you like you always do. Your idea of getting some being enough had nothing to do with your beliefs. It was a generalized statement that you intendted applies to everyone. Thanks for labeling me with a broad stereotype though.

I actually consider religious people of any kind (perhaps spiritual is a better word) to be more open minded than I am. Hell, you've got to be open minded to believe some entity you've never seen, only read about in a book that is over two thousand years old and have no direct proof of existing created you. God could slap me across the face and I'd probably be too pig headed to change my ways if I saw the imprint it left.

If you ever go back and look at my discussions with Skof, Ceph, and Trout you'll see that my religious discussions only ever go sour with you because you pussyfoot around and try to act like you've already answered things when you haven't.

We've established I don't believe.

The only thing I think is pathetic about religion is when people follow it blindly instead of thinking for themselves. When any person reaches their own conclusion about god (in whichever way you what to see him/her/it) thats whats right for them.

I also hate when people dodge points in debates they can't answer by trying to make the other person look bad.

Can we move beyond this now?

[ReTodd]

Earlier, I mentioned that sins are not just rules to give people a hard time. They're the abuse and/or overuse of normally good actions.

Retodd, I think you're old enough to know that anybody who needs to masturbate to prevent themselves from doing a crime will eventually do that crime. We're not mere animals; we can exercise self-control.

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You are right, I am old enough. But I would convince myself of anything if it cut down on the # of perv's out there.

So you're saying as long as people keep it down to 3 "quickies" a day, they're not sinning :rolleyes:

[Twelve]

Can we move beyond this now?

I don't know. Are you done yet?

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[S_K_O_F]

You are right, I am old enough. But I would convince myself of anything if it cut down on the # of perv's out there.

So you're saying as long as people keep it down to 3 "quickies" a day, they're not sinning :rolleyes:

lol...WOW!
In my life, even when I was a teenager, I was never more than a 3/week man.

[Warcow]

I don't know. Are you done yet?

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And once again I prove my point.

You know Twelve, for someone as old as you are, you're terribly childish sometimes.

Go ahead, take the last word; I can't stand trying to have a serious conversation with you about this stuff.

@Skof, Your view point is the one I've heard more, and was the stance taken at a christian camp I attended when the question was raised.

[Twelve]

You are right, I am old enough. But I would convince myself of anything if it cut down on the # of perv's out there.

So you're saying as long as people keep it down to 3 "quickies" a day, they're not sinning :rolleyes:


Hahahahaha...I never said that. I just think that the best way to get rid of the pervs is to promote the Christian view on sexuality...but then, I am a Christian. Because, when you move beyond the extreme cases, the definition of perversion is sadly getting grayer and grayer...


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[Twelve]

Go ahead, take the last word;



If you insist.

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[Cuathon]

my friend was bored and had nothing to do one day so he popped it 15 times.

[S_K_O_F]

my friend was bored and had nothing to do one day so he popped it 15 times.

I bet he wasn't able to touch himself for a week. That had to be incredibly painful.

[Warcow]

I bet he wasn't able to touch himself for a week. That had to be incredibly painful.

Yeah no joke . . . That must have chaffed like nothing else . .

15 times . . . Thats just overkill.

[ReTodd]

I just think that the best way to get rid of the pervs is to promote the Christian view on sexuality
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The Catholic church made the same mistake :p

Cuathon, did your "friend" ejaculate his bladder the 15th time? We all know it was you!

[Twelve]

The Catholic church made the same mistake :p


I mentioned the "Christian" view. :p Or more accurately, "Biblical" view.

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[R G]

No, it's an absolutely horrible point. Science by its very nature does not depend on social acceptability. People who base their beliefs on their society are not following science.

For example I use Issac Newton for his discovery of gravity...He was chastised for his findings yet later was celebrated.

Louis Pasteur also was chastised for his discovery of bacteria yet later he too was celebrated.

You can also point to the scientific studies we hear in the news for various things...Like coffee or asprin - one scientific study will say they are good for you and then another will say that it is bad for you. You hear it in the news everyday.

If science did not depend on social acceptability then science would still use animals for testing of consumer products...Point is science does depend on social acceptablity..as society pays for science.

[Liquid Swordsman]

Wizzy' That aint fully nice. My mother and I are very close and I do alot with my dad but he has bad bones and every thing but the love me so. And Please dont hide in Black text if you have anything you want to say to me SAY IT!

Excuse my french but, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[Megabyte]

my friend was bored and had nothing to do one day so he popped it 15 times.

made me think of a good Scrubs quote...

"Wow, thats incredible, I wonder what it'd be like to have it stuck up like that for 18 hours straight."

"I'll let you know in another 20 minutes."

[S_K_O_F]

made me think of a good Scrubs quote...

"Wow, thats incredible, I wonder what it'd be like to have it stuck up like that for 18 hours straight."

"I'll let you know in another 20 minutes."


DIRTY!!!

[Doctor Love]

Excuse my french but, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Calm down.

[Wizzy`]

Excuse my french but, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I love you.

[Walrus]

lol...WOW!
In my life, even when I was a teenager, I was never more than a 3/week man.

once a day keeps the hormones at bay.



can anyone bring me up to speed on the last 15-16 pages of argument? :P

[crack class a]

masturbation can't be a sin, theres nothing wrong with it. and the more you masturbate the better your sex life is, but thats only what i read i think, but i wouldn't reccomend on doing ti like 3 times a day otherwise.. im not even going to say.

[S_K_O_F]

masturbation can't be a sin, theres nothing wrong with it. and the more you masturbate the better your sex life is, but thats only what i read i think, but i wouldn't reccomend on doing ti like 3 times a day otherwise.. im not even going to say.

And there you have it guys. Infallable, Empiricle evidence to why masturbation isn't a sin. crack class a says it's not.

Oh ok...well then. Murder and theft must not be sins either. Because you know studies show that both of those can be a great release of tension.

[Wizzy`]

masturbation can't be a sin, theres nothing wrong with it. and the more you masturbate the better your sex life is, but thats only what i read i think, but i wouldn't reccomend on doing ti like 3 times a day otherwise.. im not even going to say.


O_O 3 times a day. . .

[kegsworth]

O_O 3 times a day. . .

I cringe just thinking about it . . .

[sayter]

murder is a slightly large step from masturbation, hun. One hurts no one, the other ends life. Comparing the two isnt even fair :)

[S_K_O_F]

murder is a slightly large step from masturbation, hun. One hurts no one, the other ends life. Comparing the two isnt even fair :)

But sin, as described in the bible is not limited to whether it hurts someone else or not.
I stick with my exagerated comparison. Only because I was just trying to prove a point. crack class a gave no justification for what he said. It was basically, "I don't want it to be a sin, so it isn't."

[Doctor Love]

But sin, as described in the bible is not limited to whether it hurts someone else or not.
I stick with my exagerated comparison. Only because I was just trying to prove a point. crack class a gave no justification for what he said. It was basically, "I don't want it to be a sin, so it isn't."
Speaking of masturbation. The sudden increase in time that S_K_O_F has been spending on the forums has been slightly arousing. What's going on?

[Megabyte]

I cringe just thinking about it . . .

yah, how could someone live with only 3 times a day?

[Twelve]

masturbation can't be a sin, theres nothing wrong with it. and the more you masturbate the better your sex life is, but thats only what i read i think, but i wouldn't reccomend on doing ti like 3 times a day otherwise.. im not even going to say.


....

And GUESS WHAT! You have SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to back up your statement!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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[Volcom]

isay get a girlfriend
dont even bother with the hand,
sexual pleasure should only be shared with a member (or2) of the opposite sex