Interesting footage

[S_K_O_F]

Looks like American soldiers aren't the only ones guilty of abuse to Iraqis.
These are British troops.

Severe Beatings. (http://www.wimp.com/iraqis/)

[Bottle]

You get idiots in every country.

[Northwind]

Yeah, there certainly will never be a shortage of idiots. As I watched that, I found myself sort of hoping that the troops would turn on whomever was doing the voice-over and beat the living bejeezus out of him. What sort of morally bankrupt, braindead, heartless sociopath gets a charge over watching people inflict pain on others? Yuck.

(And yes, I realize that calling for the beating of the voice-over guy is more of the same thing that I am lamenting. I don't REALLY want him to be beaten, I just want him to be a decent human being. God, I'm such a Pollyanna.)

[8ball]

Omg i never new british soldiers were like that :( They should of just locked the men up....... They get what they deserved though.

[S_K_O_F]

Omg i never new british soldiers were like that :( They should of just locked the men up....... They get what they deserved though.

All British soldiers are not like that.
Just like all American soldiers are not like the ones who abused prisoners in Abu Graib.

[allstarGL]

Thats disturbing, I heard this, and the first thing I thought was what a shame. Great Britain is going to get a bad rap just because of a couple fools.

After watching that video, I can say I'm personally shocked. There had to be over 20 guys walk in at the end there and just act like nothing bad was happening, like it happens all the time. Very disturbing.

[WaCk-HeAd]

That was pretty disturbing, and maybe not the best thing to show here.

Explicit violence is not something that belongs in a PG-13 forum?

Anyway, like Bottle said. You have idiots in every country. (Just a little more in Britain :wink2:). How many of you thought I would say the US?

[Bottle]

How many of you thought I would say the US?
Not me...

[KBHoleN1]

wtf mate?

the dude filming is one sick f*ck

[speaker4thedead]

Great Britain is going to get a bad rap just because of a .Great Britain is a sh*t hole any way trust me this is wrong but there are worse things that go on here in england

[lazygun]

Blame the Polits. not the soldiers.This reminds me of Bloody Sunday(13 dead)..Ireland.
...Sure the Paras' then as now,dealt out similar beatings as those shown recently in the News.

Blame the Tool user,..not the tool.:p

[Bottle]

Blame politicians for soldiers being stupid? I DON'T think so.

[S_K_O_F]

Blame politicians for soldiers being stupid? I DON'T think so.

Oh I see. So why, then, did Bush take such a hit during the Abu Graib deal?

[lazygun]

I'm sorry,are we missing the point...ok..Soldiers are trained to kill.
That's K.I.L.L.Got that?.

They should not be used to POLICE as that not surprisingly,is for trained people;called Police not Army.

Is this getting thru to you??.

Would you rather the victims were just shot as they ran from thier petrol-bombing/stoning of the same soldiers?.

[Bottle]

Would you prefer to send civilian policemen into a war situation? Or perhaps you'd prefer not tp have the soldiers there, and for the country to be destroyed in the chaos?

[Megabyte]

ooc, how many people who say they're shocked have had any dealings with the military? Either by being recruits, ex-vets, friends in it, etc


Myself, I'm not at all surprised.

[lazygun]

Well as far as I am told by the Polits/news this country has a Govermental/Democratically elected Body?...

What are these people doing to secure the future of the country they have vowed/sworn to guide?.

Apart from feathering thier own polit. nests and blowing up the poor,the young...etc.

To end,...all armies present are but an extension of political will.
Someone clever'er than me said this....?.

[Megabyte]

you have a very optimistic view of their governmental body

I'll give you a hint, what power does any government have when it is occupied by foreign troops? Not commenting on the politics, the morality, of the necessity of the situation there, just being realistic.

[lazygun]

My p.o.v. is on the whole,negative;Megabyte...just made it in an up-beat manner...sry..:confused:

Anyways to hell with tis,...off for Music.:D

[TheSilverRider]

I think the thing that stood out to me the most in this clip was the filmer. He is one sick puppy. I mean hes like "YES YES YES YES!!!!" its like scary almost. Just my thoughts...

[ReTodd]

I think that is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed.

This is the politicians responsibility/fault. War is to be used as a last resort because of this kind of thing.

[Excaliber]

That was very disturbing I don't even want to watch/ listen to the last 5 seconds..

[S_K_O_F]

I think that is one of the saddest things I have ever witnessed.

This is the politicians responsibility/fault. War is to be used as a last resort because of this kind of thing.


This has nothing to do with the politicians. Saying so is just an excuse.

These soldiers should have been raised better than that. Despite their training, which by the way does not teach them to abuse prisoners, they should know better than to beat people in this manner. Those soldiers should be punished, no one else is responsible for their irresponsible actions except them and their immediate superior.

[Excaliber]

War dosen't teach you to torture people and what I saw in the video was definately not war..

[x-useme]

Wow, that's just retarded.

[EmelGreenLeafer]

Oh man!, i hate violence, i should had never watched that video.

[Megabyte]

War dosen't teach you to torture people and what I saw in the video was definately not war..

you've obviously never been trained for war, much less invovled in an armed conflict


I'm not speaking in support of their behavior, just pointing out that for those of you who think these guys are some isolated incident or something, your ignorant.

[S_K_O_F]

you've obviously never been trained for war, much less invovled in an armed conflict


I'm not speaking in support of their behavior, just pointing out that for those of you who think these guys are some isolated incident or something, your ignorant.

Obviously this is happening more than just in this video. But that was not a battle. Those soldiers were not trained to maul unarmed non combatants. That is what they were doing.

[Megabyte]

they're trained to defend themselves, and to survive

At times, literally entire neighborhoods and towns of people turn against you, so you defend yourself. You head news interviews where soldiers say "anyone can be the enemy." They mean that, any fucker out there can be an enemy. You build up a lot of resentment and hatred for an emeny.

The troops don't get to decide where they are stationed at. Yet, they are the ones who take the hits, attacks, and rioting. It builds up a lot of anger and resentment. It isn't really discouraged either.

The end result is that the soldiers deal VERY harshly with anyone and anything that makes their job harder.


If I had to beat the shit out of some people in the hopes of discouraging future conflicts...you know what? I'd do it.

[S_K_O_F]

they're trained to defend themselves, and to survive

At times, literally entire neighborhoods and towns of people turn against you, so you defend yourself. You head news interviews where soldiers say "anyone can be the enemy." They mean that, any fucker out there can be an enemy. You build up a lot of resentment and hatred for an emeny.

The troops don't get to decide where they are stationed at. Yet, they are the ones who take the hits, attacks, and rioting. It builds up a lot of anger and resentment. It isn't really discouraged either.

The end result is that the soldiers deal VERY harshly with anyone and anything that makes their job harder.


If I had to beat the shit out of some people in the hopes of discouraging future conflicts...you know what? I'd do it.


Perhaps. You have made a good point.

[Megabyte]

Perhaps. You have made a good point.

its a point, but don't take it as my condonement

I'm not sure exactly what my point is. Maybe just that soldiers are like us. We treat them as some special entity, but they're just people who've joined up. Training for conflicts doesn't change the person they are.

Still, some sentiment or something should exist to keep the moral compass in line, ya know? Just meaning that its one thing to say that soldiers should treat someone that way, and another to live it in practice under brutal and hostile conditions. All our boys want to come home after all.

[ReTodd]

This has nothing to do with the politicians. Saying so is just an excuse.

These soldiers should have been raised better than that. Despite their training, which by the way does not teach them to abuse prisoners, they should know better than to beat people in this manner. Those soldiers should be punished, no one else is responsible for their irresponsible actions except them and their immediate superior.

In the 2nd Iraqi war, the leaders from the US and GB took it on their own to invade Iraq when other options were available. They did not utilize all of the resources at their disposal before invading. Therefore, they are responsible for the war and all acts that follow. If they had not preemptively started the war, none of this would have happened.

These soldiers are all morally bankrupt, observers included. There is no excuse for brutalizing defenseless individuals. This was not one or two soldiers in an isolated incident. There was a large group of soldiers waiting, anticipating this beating. This tells me that it is systematic and these men as well as their superiors are guilty and should spend a long time in prison being rehabilitated so they don't return home and brutalize the people and animals around them.

[R G]

There is no excuse for abuse of power, but if Saddam Hussein was still in charge he would have dropped a few cans of nerve gas on them or just shot them in the head....I don't know but a beating kind of pales in comparison.

[S_K_O_F]

In the 2nd Iraqi war, the leaders from the US and GB took it on their own to invade Iraq when other options were available. They did not utilize all of the resources at their disposal before invading. Therefore, they are responsible for the war and all acts that follow. If they had not preemptively started the war, none of this would have happened.

These soldiers are all morally bankrupt, observers included. There is no excuse for brutalizing defenseless individuals. This was not one or two soldiers in an isolated incident. There was a large group of soldiers waiting, anticipating this beating. This tells me that it is systematic and these men as well as their superiors are guilty and should spend a long time in prison being rehabilitated so they don't return home and brutalize the people and animals around them.

I am sent to a seminar for my job. I do exactly what I am supposed to all the time. I was trained well in college and in job training. I do it without question no matter what. At the seminar, a man throws a rock and hits me in the head with it because he doesn't think I should be there. I kick the living shit out of him.

According to your justification, The president of the company that I work for should take the blame for the altercation because he is the one that sent me.

[Office_Shredder]

Oh I see. So why, then, did Bush take such a hit during the Abu Graib deal?

Because reports said the orders to torture came from the top of the chain of command, and he never looked into it (in fact, he even fought a bill banning torture of prisoners)


According to your justification, The president of the company that I work for should take the blame for the altercation because he is the one that sent me.

Actually, lawsuits over stuff like this happen all the time. If a corporation has a screw up (think finger in wendy's chili), the individual employee is safe from trouble (perhaps except for getting fired).

[ReTodd]

I am sent to a seminar for my job. I do exactly what I am supposed to all the time. I was trained well in college and in job training. I do it without question no matter what. At the seminar, a man throws a rock and hits me in the head with it because he doesn't think I should be there. I kick the living shit out of him.

According to your justification, The president of the company that I work for should take the blame for the altercation because he is the one that sent me.

You are correct providing that you risk your life and people will needlessly die as a result of you attending the seminar which you could have simply attended via videoconferencing thereby avoiding needless death and suffering.

The owner of the company as well as yourself are responsible. He is responsible for needlessly killing people and you are charged with assault. He will obtain the best legal representation that money can buy and get off with a slap on the wrist and you will go to prison for 10 years.

[Daemon Bloodmaw]

They were throwing rocks and shit at the soldiers, having a mini riot, and they got their asses beat.

Does this surprise you? :huh:

If somebody was throwing rocks at my face and I caught them, they would be just a little uncomfortable. I'm not saying I'd kick them or anything, but they wouldn't be very comfortable by the time I had them where I wanted them.

[Utamaro]

Looks like American soldiers aren't the only ones guilty of abuse to Iraqis.
These are British troops.

Severe Beatings. (http://www.wimp.com/iraqis/)


American Soldiers own all anyway. :cool: :p :cool:

[S_K_O_F]

They were throwing rocks and shit at the soldiers, having a mini riot, and they got their asses beat.

Does this surprise you? :huh:

If somebody was throwing rocks at my face and I caught them, they would be just a little uncomfortable. I'm not saying I'd kick them or anything, but they wouldn't be very comfortable by the time I had them where I wanted them.

They chased down these kids, brought them back to their post, drug them inside the fence, then no fewer than 10 fully armered soldiers proceeded to, not arrest them, but beat 3 unarmed civilians with riot sticks, feet, and headbutts. This does surprise me! These soldiers should have been trained better than this.