An Argument

[Anarchy_United]

So, me and Doctor Device were playing a grey game, and I played duel cleric, while he played 4 witches. We were playing, and we got down to this point, and he really had to go somewhere. He said he was gonna win because he had 3 knights, and I said I was gonna win because I had an extra unit+a chanty and he didn't have a scout. I was in Green-Blue and he was in red.
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/3322/ddvsme4va.png (http://imageshack.us)
Who does everyone think is going to win?
(everyone had full health and it was his turn)

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

I think you should have won... Who won anyway?

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Add the "draw" option :p

I soooooo woulda won

also, 2 of your units were wards, which could've easily been negated if i didn't come to you (which i wouldnt have)

[Anarchy_United]

He had to go. He left right after this, and we are still arguing over who would have won.
How do I do that DD?

[x-useme]

You most likely had it if you were able to use your chanty and avoid his witch.

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

Nah, the witch was no problem, the scout could easily get that with the dual clerics

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Erm... Edit your poll and not really Matthew, i had a BW, and a cleric so it would take 4 attacks by the scout with my knight right there :D

[Anarchy_United]

Erm... Edit your poll and not really Matthew, i had a BW, and a cleric so it would take 4 attacks by the scout with my knight right there :D
if I knew house to edit the poll, I wouldn't be asking the question you idiot.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I dont know :p

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

Just rematch it from that position and find out :P

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

rep for j00!

Dammit AU, why didn't we think of that?

[KBHoleN1]

OMG all of you shut up and calm down.

The side with the chanty def. has the advantage, although it is no guaranteed win. It is a guaranteed draw at least, because red cannot attack blue successfully, because of the chanty/bw/lw/clerics. An organized attack by blue would put pressure on the witch, via scout shots and a lurking chanty and knight. I'd be happy to show the strategy for either side in a game, but blue def. has the advantage, no question. Chanty pwns all, especially if you still have a scout alive. The scout can sit 6 squares away and peg the witch, or even frontshot some knights to keep the game from drawing. Red loses, unless blue screws up.

[searchman]

Your kiddin? I was gonna say that if no one else did... Damn you I BEAT MATTHEWS!!

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Look, he would've had to have been unbarriered for 4 turns (at least) if he wanted my witch, i coulda killed that scout in that time nad then its a knight and chanty vrs. 3 knights.... who wins then?

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

Look, he would've had to have been unbarriered for 4 turns (at least) if he wanted my witch, i coulda killed that scout in that time nad then its a knight and chanty vrs. 3 knights.... who wins then?Knight/chanty/bw/2clerics win

[searchman]

You do, cuz you pwnzors!!

Edit: (DD wins)

Double Edit: Actually AU would've won.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

3 knights/BW/cleric vrs. knight/chanty/2 clerics/LW/BW

Unless i was utterly stupid and clumped my own knights, chanty would have to leave its home without BW and prolly draw... at least.

I clearly am not gonna be stupid and clump my knights, NOR am i going to be dumb and attack his set.

[KBHoleN1]

Look, he would've had to have been unbarriered for 4 turns (at least) if he wanted my witch, i coulda killed that scout in that time nad then its a knight and chanty vrs. 3 knights.... who wins then?
why would he be stupid enough to send his scout out alone? Sure, if he plays like a complete noob you could win, but lets be realistic. Move the knight down field a little. Move the chanty in behind the knight, keeping it relatively safe. You can't attack the chanty with one of your knights, because it will be frozen and barriered. your natural action is to retreat and regroup to fight the chanty with multiple units. The witch is your only ranged unit, so unless you keep her in an offensive position, your knights are vulnerable to freezing. You retreat all the way back, pulling all of blue's units out of lw/bw range. The scout sets up, and starts shooting at whatever it can hit, knights, witch, w/e. Eventually, a weakness develops, the chanty provides good defense against attacking knights, and a scout is dam hard to kill with 2 clerics. Because you still have to land all 4 shots. If the situation worsens for blue, what does he do> He retreats. Only an idiot would rush in and let you kill them. Guaranteed draw for blue, and a really good chance for the win. Would you like for me to demonstrate?

[I BEAT MATHEWS]

The knights would not be hard to kill with 2 clerics, he just has to protect his chanty untill he kills 1 knight and that would be game

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

why would he be stupid enough to send his scout out alone? Sure, if he plays like a complete noob you could win, but lets be realistic. Move the knight down field a little. Move the chanty in behind the knight, keeping it relatively safe. You can't attack the chanty with one of your knights, because it will be frozen and barriered. your natural action is to retreat and regroup to fight the chanty with multiple units. The witch is your only ranged unit, so unless you keep her in an offensive position, your knights are vulnerable to freezing. You retreat all the way back, pulling all of blue's units out of lw/bw range. The scout sets up, and starts shooting at whatever it can hit, knights, witch, w/e. Eventually, a weakness develops, the chanty provides good defense against attacking knights, and a scout is dam hard to kill with 2 clerics. Because you still have to land all 4 shots. If the situation worsens for blue, what does he do> He retreats. Only an idiot would rush in and let you kill them. Guaranteed draw for blue, and a really good chance for the win. Would you like for me to demonstrate?

:confused: He would've had to been unbarriered for 4 turns!!!! In that time, even if he decided to use his cleric hed be dumb cuz i get another 20 damage on him.

[KBHoleN1]

:confused: He would've had to been unbarriered for 4 turns!!!! In that time, even if he decided to use his cleric hed be dumb cuz i get another 20 damage on him.
OMG!!! 4 turns!!! That means that he would be in rnage of at most 1 knight, because you don't attack alone. That means you try a side shot, if it hits, I heal. You wait. I wait. You back shot me, if you still have the chance to. I take another shot, then retreat, heal, barrier. Wtf is the big deal about 4 turns? I'm not gonna march into your knights with my scout and let you kill him. You're more of a noob than I thought.

Would you like for me to prove this? Make a gray on Banff, and play my gold, where I have 2 clerics. We can set this up and I will show you what I mean.

[KBHoleN1]

The knights would not be hard to kill with 2 clerics, he just has to protect his chanty untill he kills 1 knight and that would be game
F*ck the knights, I would sacrifice a knight or a scout just to kill the witch, although I doubt a sacrifice would be necessary. With the witch gone, 3 knights are no match for a chanty, bw, 2 clerics and a scout/knight (w/e didn't die in the attack). DD is just pissed because he would've lost, there is no plausible way for DD to win, unless AU made a mistake, and probably several mistakes.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I'd love to learn :bigsmile:

But i wont be on again till 8 so it will have to wait.

And I don't care who would've won, it was a clan game, I'm a secure person, and I've beaten him before :p

[KBHoleN1]

I'd love to learn :bigsmile:

But i wont be on again till 8 so it will have to wait.

And I don't care who would've won, it was a clan game, I'm a secure person, and I've beaten him before :p
I never said you weren't a capable player, its jst your analysis of this situation is a little flawed. I think everyone looking at this can agree that blue had the advantage, and had to do nothing special to win. Blue could have just set there for a draw if need be. There is no chance that red can win UNLESS blue screws up. That is all I was trying to say.

[dab00z]

KB is correct, the chanty wins easily unless he messes up. I will also demonstrate this for you if you would like to recreate the position.

[FryLock]

DD is clearly an idiot...his posts are proving that more and more.

With 2 clerics to heal it, blue's scout will stick around for a LONG time. So blue sends the scout to harass the witch, or even perhaps the cleric, taking care to heal frequently and have the knight ready to provide a temporary wall for the scout to retreat behind. Just pick pick pick away. Cleric is dead after 2 shots, witch is dead after 3, even with a heal.

Blue clearly had it won. At very worst, it would be a draw. Red had no chance of winning, especially if DD was playing it.

[meat.eater]

Green. Hands down.

[ghost Dragon]

no thougt about it, hands down chanty pwns. good job.

~GD~

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Im clearly wrong... w/e I'd like to take any of you up on this situation, really :)

And frylock, please don't judge me, I think your presumptions are unfair.

[Bryanden]

I would say the chanty (blue) would win the game.

[KBHoleN1]

Im clearly wrong... w/e I'd like to take any of you up on this situation, really :)

And frylock, please don't judge me, I think your presumptions are unfair.
You wanna give it a go right now? Come to Banff on a gray and get my attention. We'll see how this plays out.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Im doin it with dab00z, on Rev

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Sorry for the double post but, b00zy won... As i said before (when i refrained) u guys had made valid points, and now its confirmed that i lose :(

[dab00z]

i just used the good ole hit n run with my knight. Got the witch, escaped with like 10 HP left, healed up, went back got the cleric, escaped with like 27 HP because i blocked more, healed up, etc. He played it fine, he was just in a losing position. gg

[ThinkTank]

w00t! b00z win *rep*

[Moose]

Well if u were smart you would have been able to win, but obviously you suck.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

i just used the good ole hit n run with my knight. Got the witch, escaped with like 10 HP left, healed up, went back got the cleric, escaped with like 27 HP because i blocked more, healed up, etc. He played it fine, he was just in a losing position. gg

If b00z says it, it must be true

[Dove]

Yep. Anarchy takes the cake in this one.

[Anarchy_United]

Yep. Anarchy takes the cake in this one.
I'm allergic to cake.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I'll take it!!!!! :)

[Nobunaga Oda]

Hahaha

[~GooseR~]

*votes anarchy*
you aint seen nothin

[Speed Demon]

I think it was actually quite close. DD could've rushed with all his knights and make it kinda close. I'd still go with Anarchy because of the chanty being the difference,

[ck1]

Who will win?

I will.

[speaker4thedead]

One way to seee who would of win is to get the uniq all back in that positon and then play from that

[ReTodd]

You both lose, but blue lose less 'cause chanty pwns!

[-Dape-]

Green wins if he says back.