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KBHoleN1
02-23-2006, 05:51 PM
Legends - the place where dreams are made, and luck runs rampant among the ranks.

I summarize at the bottom if you don't want to read all this

I have been given access to a gold account by bob, and have started turtling on Legends. I have played several arranged turt games with some very high-ranked players. I have "won" all 4 games, and had the wins ripped away by atrocious luck. I feel like bragging a bit, and bitching a bit, so suck it up and deal with it. Plus, I'll give you some good play-by-play action, and insight as to how the best players stay on top.

First was aza. We same-sided, as all 4 of my arranged turt games have been (just my luck, I am killer opposite side). The game progresses, aza comments on how he has been playing badly lately, and I can tell he is off his game. I am winning by about a unit, and in a position to take more, when it begins. Scout side blocks, followed by frontals on my scout. Beastie side blocks, as it is tearing up my turtle. A run of about 5 knight side hits (him hitting me), and then a few blocks for him. He was very apologetic, as he is a great guy, and I took it in stride, and still managed a draw due to my dragon. Yes, he had to force the draw with me, that is how well I had played in the game. His turtle was shielded by 3 knights, and made it very tough to avoid physical attacks, with my limited number of attackers.

Next came zeka, of the legendary Judgement. Arranged turt game, sameside. I was winning, once again, but just barely. Needing to finsh off his attacking BR to protect my stone, I dragon his BR, he heals. I poison the little bastard, he moves out and advances toward my frost. I move my scout around for the side hit (no back hit, he was against the side), and sure enough it blocks. Frostie dead, I'm at a serious disadvantage all of a sudden because of a 23% block. Np, play hard, make it up, I tell myself. Another side block and a frontal block later, his beastie won the game for him as it finished off my mud hidden behind my stone golem. The blocks won the game for him, and he refused to admit it. The bickering continues into the lobby, where I cahllenge him in front of many people to another game, to right the wrong. I figure if I win 1 of 2 I gain a good many stats anyway (I am about 1500 now, zeka is like 1800 or something).

Second game with zeka, same forms, same side. We play completely different, I avoid the beastie for most of the game by pressuring his flank and his cleric, even though I have a defensive form against a more offensive form. My normal goal in any game is to defend until I can attack. And I do it damn well if you ask me. He realizes he is losing, again, and charges his beastie in to kill my berserker, who is wreaking havoc among his mud and scout. I go for the kill with the frontshot (my scout from about 5 spaces away), there was no side shot available. Instead of healing, and pursuing next turn (when I would have set up a better defense), he took the chance with his BR. He forced me to take a fronthshot to save my bers, the same frontshot that would kill his BR and win me the game. A 45% block, my first physical attempt on his BR, and it blocks. He sheepishly admitted his luck, apologized, and took another win away from me.

Just now, I am asked for a turt game by sweet girl2, another Judgement member with outrageously high stats (almost 1800 I think). Game begins, sameside. I'm going to assume sweet girl2 is in fact a girl. She has a dragon on the 4th row (from back, so 2nd row from front), unstoned, and breathing down my neck. Muddy at the front of her stone cluster allowed my stone to last a whole 2 turns, as her dragon targeted my berserker. The berserker proved useful on the muddy, ending its life eventually, and distracting the dragon for another 3 turns as she used it to finsh my bers off. So far, mission accomplished. She tried several side hits on my knight, landing 3 out of 4 for the game - I'll take that, considering I normally don't see blocks for games at a time. I did however, score a scout side block, while siding her dragon twice over that period. A definite plus for me. After some amzing wisp/frost work to widdle down her units, the game comes down to this: Her full health frost, cleric, stone, and stoned scout, and an injured dragon. I have a dragon on about 44, a knight on 36, and a full health scout, and injured stone (damage doesn't matter at this point). She dragons my scout, bringing it to 14. I blast her dragon with my own, as her scout recovers, and then side hit her dragon for the kill with my scout (the 2nd side hit I mentioned above). I retreat my scout leaving only a frontshot from across the board. Sure enough, she lands it, crushing my chances. She also landed another side hit on my knight, and 2 front hits on my dragon, sealing my fate. I would have killed the frost, had it not been for any of the 3 frontshots (the scout was the most important, obviously). I could have retreated, stoned, and pwned her one attacking unit and frosty, no problem. Once again, a great game stolen away from me by blocking.

But that is not the best part. I draw out a few turns at the end of the game to "discuss" things, and she agrees that I was at an extreme disadvantage and got very unlucky with that frontshot. I had already b*tched about her power turt after she asked for a turt game, and ventured for a rematch with "real turts" as I put it. She actually agreed, and noted how much she was able to rush me in this game. I said, "yeh, my stone lasted 2 turns," and we laughed. We decided on opposite sides for the rematch, to make it fair, and we exit for the lobby. I give her about 30 seconds to reset and issue a challenge. She flees. Wow, such honor.

Here's the summary if you don't want to read all that:

So, in short, I played 4 amazing games, some of the best I ever had, and managed a draw and 3 losses against some very high ranked Legenders. I samesided all 4 games, my worst side, and had atrocious blocking in all. At every key moment in the game, where I was on the verge of victory, a block, or lack thereof on my part, sealed my fate. Either the top players on Legends are simply the luckiest ones, or I am fit to be ranked among them as one of the best. I feel like I play my ass off every game, and have it ripped away from me time and time again. Of the 3, aza is the only one that was even remotely honorable - he actually helped lead the game into a draw, instead of trying for the consecutive frontals that would have won it for him.

So if you decide to play among the top players on Legends, bring your rabbit's foot, I certainly needed one. At least I take away the knowledge that I outplayed my opponent in every game, and hopefully my luck will turn around for me. Ironically, I was jumped by a gray after I cancelled the challenge against sweet girl2, and blocked almost every attempt in that game, when I need it the least. My timing is always what makes my luck so bad.

EDIT: I almost forgot to mention that Twelve played my turt too. Only this time it was his dsm rush that samesided me. He won ... by one knight. The fact that the game was even close seems like a miracle. We both played exceptional, and as he put it, "that form (my turt) is no joke". The thing works like a charm, and I am playing the best TAO of my more than 2-year career. Somehow, I am still happy through a draw and 5 recent losses (I got rushed by a multi-drop 1700 gray with a mud, 2 clerics, 3 knights, BR, witch, lw, and scout. All sameside, all breathing down my neck, very tough game, I got owned at first, but pwned in the rematch - the gray jumped me again, knowing he had the best position, and i taught him a lesson :)) If anyone wants to see/play my turt, let me know. The bers (and the 1-scout rule) make it so great, so we'll either play on Legends or with 1 scout on Rev or Banff.

DOCTOR DEVICE
02-23-2006, 06:12 PM
Great battle reports, and sorry about the luck... I'd like to see that turt sometime.

I mean, usually this branch of the TAO forums is either people bitching about luck, or saying "I beat a 1500 gold, woship me" A nice break, even tho you complained a bit about luck.

Mithrandir
02-23-2006, 06:22 PM
Losing to luck is frustrating but I can tolerate it if the other player at least apologizes or recognizes that they didn't earn the game. I just lost a game to a guy that got a side assassin block, side scout block, two side pyro blocks and a side witch block, all consecutive. I am almost crying I am so freaking angry right now. And of course, the guy didn't say a word. Classless idiot.

TACTOHOLIC
02-23-2006, 06:35 PM
In tough battles, luck usually is the final judge.
Losing to luck is frustrating but I can tolerate it if the other player at least apologizes or recognizes that they didn't earn the game.
I don't think the player should apologizes, neither you need to receive his apologizes. In fact, it's not his fault about being apparently lucky, which more than often are excuses.
And of course, if you think you deserved the game, be relaxed and happy for playing good, it's not always about winning.

KBHoleN1
02-23-2006, 06:44 PM
In tough battles, luck usually is the final judge.

I don't think the player should apologizes, neither you need to receive his apologizes. In fact, it's not his fault about being apparently lucky, which more than often are excuses.
And of course, if you think you deserved the game, be relaxed and happy for playing good, it's not always about winning.
You see, that's actually the point of apologizing. You realize it's not about winning, and that you don't deserve the win. You not only congratulate your opponent for great play, but acknowledge your luck and apologize for the unfortunate loss. I do this, on the rare occasion luck tips my way in a close game. In fact, I have surrendered or drawn many times when the receiver of outrageous luck.

And for the thing about excuses, when you outplay your opponent, and have the game ripped away because of luck, luck is an excuse, yes. But it is a valid excuse. There are only so many things you can overcome. You might not feel this way, because I doubt you play the level of competition others do (every offense intended), and every move is crucial when you are in that tough of a game.

DOCTOR DEVICE
02-23-2006, 06:49 PM
Trogdor and I had a game before, where (in his and my words) I clearly played better. I was just about to say "gg" and surrender when he said and did one of the classiest things I've ever seen:

Trogdor: You clearly won this and I do not wish to be defined by a 4 digit number next to my name. Good game.
*Trogdor surrenders*
Me: *awestruck*

One of the few instances of class in this game, Trogdor, you pwn!

TACTOHOLIC
02-23-2006, 06:56 PM
when you outplay your opponent, and have the game ripped away because of luck.
People uses to only see enemy's blocks but don't see their too.
And I don't know what you meant about competition level, but I think you are subestimating someone because you just haven't heard of him. We could game anytime.

KBHoleN1
02-23-2006, 07:08 PM
People uses to only see enemy's blocks but don't see their too.
If you actually read my report, you'll see I inform you of almost every block in the game, including the few I got. I am very intelligent, with a great memory, and have learned to keep track of the blocks in any game, to get an estimate of what my chances are of blocking or landing shots, because as people always lecture, luck evens out. Rarely. I have played this game for over 2 years, and have repeatedly seen this happen. My blocks come against players no where close to my level of play, and when I am in a game that actually counts, I can't buy one.
And I don't know what you meant about competition level, but I think you are subestimating someone because you just haven't heard of him. We could game anytime.
I mean just that, that unless you have played as a gold, you cannot understand the level of play I refer to. Your forum account is not uprgraded, so I can only assume you are a gray player. And even in the gray game, I would be willing to play you at any time you wish.

And btw - did you not just do the same thing you accuse me of? You "underestimated" (subestimated is not really a word) my ability to recognize my own blocks, without ever playing me before. Zeka (the player I had 2 games with) is a notoriously lucky player I understand, as informed by several lobby members, including Twelve himself, who expressed his wish that I had beaten zeka.

DOCTOR DEVICE
02-23-2006, 07:42 PM
Dont mess with KB, i already dont like you :angry:

TACTOHOLIC
02-23-2006, 07:45 PM
I didn't say your name exactly, I just sayed it generally, so that could and only could happen to you.
I play grey on FPS, but i play in legends, grey too, but there i could fairly beat any gold.
Btw, I have a lot of time playing this game too, and i have seen that with the last block system update the blocks are generally fair, in my point of view.
I'm not messing with anyone, I don't know why you think so. Just because I disagree in something with someone, that doesn't mean im fighting with him, atleast Im not. Im simply exposing my point of view.

Anarchy_United
02-23-2006, 08:04 PM
Legends greys are overated. I went over there today, and yesterday expecting to face all sorts of "fearsome" heavy duty drop greys. I faced some, and I just PWNED them. I still haven't lost one yet, and they have 1200 who play like 800's. The only close game I've had so far is the dude with 3 frosties. Even that wasn't that hard. Maybe I'm just that good...

Forest_Archer
02-23-2006, 08:05 PM
KB, I like your strategies in the game, but your luck logic isn't really very relevant. If you enter the lottery with one ticket 100 times (different raffles), that doesn't mean that you'll have a better chance of winning one of those.

TACTOHOLIC
02-23-2006, 08:45 PM
1200 in legends= average(low) player.

bludhoundz
02-23-2006, 10:21 PM
Pretty sick games KB. I'm definitely willing to take you on as I feel I'm pretty close to the top of my game too, so lets do it. :cool:

KBHoleN1
02-24-2006, 01:28 AM
Yeh, I even had a game with Galaxy, and didn't know it - I never cared nor knew what accounts were who in Legends. Funny story - he jumped the account I play on, and said: wow, a turtler? you must be from fps. I say: yeh, you might not know me, but I'm KBHoleN1, from Banff. He goes: oh, really? This is Galaxy. Up until that point, I thought I had a chance of winning the game - we were sameside, he had a power turt with a lw, and I knew it would be tough, but I like playing against a lw, players hide behind it too much. Suddenly, when I saw the word Galaxy, I knew I was done for. :bigsmile:

I played half the game great, was down about half a unit, then remembered how high I was. I went to Legends to find some "average" games, pad a few stats on the account, and run into one of the best, lol. I should have just let him invite me to Judgement, but since it wasn't my account I didn't. Bob's working on "officially joining" now I think, so it may still happen, and then I will rematch with my full faculties.

@Anarchy - There are a lot of grays on Legends with drops they don't deserve. I've played grays with 2 frosties who couldn't win a game unless you throw themselves upon their turtle. Today in fact, on my gray, I faced one of thse very people. Corner turtle, lw, bw, 3 knights, 2 frosties, scout, cleric, assassin. He got first turn, and elected to pass, instead of advance. Just to mess with him, and establish control of the game, I passed right back, as none of my units were in danger, and he had a purely defensive form. He pondered the situation a few minutes (2 to be exact), then surrendered and left. Lol.

But on the same note, there are some awesome grays on Legends too. Like the one who I went 1-1 with. Multi-drop rush samesided with my turt, and he played it flawlessly. A little stunned myself, he pwned me. On the rematch (as I said above, he jumped me again, knowing he had the upper hand with formations - I have a low number of attackers in my turt), I played a completely different style, catching him off guard, and escaping with a few stats. That's the good thing about Legends, plenty of people with high stats, whether they deserve them or not. You'll find the competition, just keep looking. And don't be afriad to play the great ones, I'm certainly not. And I scare the shit out of people liek zeka, until their luck kicks in :bigsmile:

Why are my posts in this thread so long? *scurries away*

TACTOHOLIC
02-24-2006, 02:57 AM
-Drops are nothing more than that, drops. It's the same as here, a player gets a witch, he just use it because he won it, will he use it well? We don't know. On legends happens the same, to get a frostie doesn't mean you are gonna use it correctly.
-There are no wipes there, so a player who every month manage to get to 1000 on FPS, he could be 1200-1300 and not meaning they are that good, as you would say of one with that stats here.
Are drops deservable? I don't think so, they just won it.
And of course there are good greys on legends.
Legends greys aren't overrated, drops are. So don't get dissapointed if you face some 1200+ guy with a frostie and is actually an easy battle. They aren't all like that, as they are not here.

Madars
02-24-2006, 05:36 AM
I give her about 30 seconds to reset and issue a challenge. She flees. Wow, such honor.

Weird.That's what happens to me everytime i challenge a Judgement member. :cool:

-Mad-