Thoughts on Feedback

[uniquinous]

Jeffery - I'm sad to see you edited your last response to me to remove everything you said. You mentioned something along the lines of "trolling only applies to staff, so 12's actions don't count". You then went on to degrade me as a mod stating I wasn't even good enough to know the rules. Correct me if this is mistaken:
1.3 Trolling
Trolling is the act of constantly posting negative comments about TAO and it's members/staff. It is a serious offense. Users that troll will be given a temporary ban. Repeated trolling will incur a permanent ban.
Last I checked, every single person 12 was ridiculing was a member of TAO. Perhaps you should look into these things a bit more yourself, before flaming me for it. :wink2:

Glad you edited your post to remove all that tho. Smart choice.

Hugs and smoochies,
~uniquin

[meat.eater]

And pick Bottle, pick Bottle. Nothing wrong with that, though. ;)

I think the "look for the unbiased peoples opinions" argument won't be beneficial to anyone, on either side. So, you shouldnt be (a new term a learned from Vash) 'crackin' on anyone who doesnt agree with you for being biased, because you are just as much yourself.

[Jeffery]

Jeffery - I'm sad to see you edited your last response to me to remove everything you said. You mentioned something along the lines of "trolling only applies to staff, so 12's actions don't count". You then went on to degrade me as a mod stating I wasn't even good enough to know the rules. Correct me if this is mistaken:

Last I checked, every single person 12 was ridiculing was a member of TAO. Perhaps you should look into these things a bit more yourself, before flaming me for it. :wink2:

Glad you edited your post to remove all that tho. Smart choice.

Hugs and smoochies,
~uniquin
I removed it because you are not worth the waste of Meats time any more. people know who and what you are, and that;s fine by me.

Now, you'll continue crying abiout this and that, and have fun at it. I am sure your powertrip will make you feel big and strong. a number 1, there eh?

[meat.eater]

I removed it because you are not worth the waste of Meats time any more. people know who and what you are, and that;s fine by me.

Now, you'll continue crying abiout this and that, and have fun at it. I am sure your powertrip will make you feel big and strong. a number 1, there eh?

Hey! I thought I got do define my own waste of time, now! ;)

But, Uniquin, as I told you in AIM before - it IS, indeed, time to shut up about this. And I hold that opinion toward everyone.

[Bottle]

I know I'm biased, I didn't say I wasn't. I'm saying that most unbiased (ie. not NJ, and not a person who dislikes 12 for previous actions) people are against a permanent ban.

Still, no one has disputed my idea that the permanent ban was unfounded. I'll take that as confirmation that I was right.

Which is lucky really, because I've just PMed my forum suicide note to Bills otherwise. Jeffery, Aro and uniquinous know what I mean.

[Jeffery]

I know I'm biased, I didn't say I wasn't. I'm saying that most unbiased (ie. not NJ, and not a person who dislikes 12 for previous actions) people are against a permanent ban.

Still, no one has disputed my idea that the permanent ban was unfounded. I'll take that as confirmation that I was right.

Which is lucky really, because I've just PMed my forum suicide note to Bills otherwise. Jeffery, Aro and uniquinous know what I mean.
Think of it more as a kamikazi attack, as opposed to suicide.

[Moose]

Jeffery - I'm sad to see you edited your last response to me to remove everything you said. You mentioned something along the lines of "trolling only applies to staff, so 12's actions don't count". You then went on to degrade me as a mod stating I wasn't even good enough to know the rules. Correct me if this is mistaken:

Last I checked, every single person 12 was ridiculing was a member of TAO. Perhaps you should look into these things a bit more yourself, before flaming me for it. :wink2:

Glad you edited your post to remove all that tho. Smart choice.

Hugs and smoochies,
~uniquin

Should we not include your lil adventure with "The Gray"?

Afterall you constantly negged him and harrassed him in the state of mind that I am him, you also negged me for no real reason for some banner he had on his account when you believed I was him.

So guess what everybody....EVERYONES A FREAKEN TROLLER AT ONE POINT IN TIME!

I offically declare Bills in this thread a Moler. Bills, If you do not close this thread you will be subjected to Rampaging Donkies.

Incase you don't know what Moleing is, here is the defintion:

MS1.1 Moleing: is the act of which an admin/mod creates a thread to purposely and meaningfully try and defend actions of another admin/mod that has come into question by the TAO community, in an attempt to try and pursade the community with propaganda.

[Aro23r]

http://www.trimpe.org/jr/pictures/deadhorse.jpg

[Bottle]

Think of it more as a kamikazi attack, as opposed to suicide.
It's not an attack. A better analogy, perhaps, is a lone ambassador going into enemy-infested territory to try and negoiate a peace treaty. :)

[Jeffery]

It's not an attack. A better analogy, perhaps, is a lone ambassador going into enemy-infested territory to try and negoiate a peace treaty. :)
While strapped with explosives, so that if he dies, he doesn;t die alone!

[Bottle]

I don't know about that. I don't expect anything at all to be gained for the "unban 12" campaign if I do get banned.

[meat.eater]

Well, if one thing comes out of this, I have enjoyed watching your Mood change. I find myself trying to predict it, then maybe sway it slightly toward said prediction..

Oh yeah, and all that "I care about you" hokey pansy bullshit. Kidding, of course

[uniquinous]

Moose, you're right. I appologize. Dare I say I will even pos you when I can again to compensate for my mistake. In my defense tho, a *lot* of people thought he was you, as, afterall, he was trying to convince everyone he was you. He was negged where appropriate, so he gets nothin back from me, but I was wrong, and will try to make that up at least slightly with you. Sorry again.

Jeffery - no one's crying here cept the people complaining about 12's banishment ;) Don't say I'm not worth the time *after* you take the time to construct a reply. Just my advice.

[Bottle]

That's more a tribute to 12 than anything else.

And no, meat, nothing that anyone says or does on this forum will change my mood. My mood doesn't swing on others' actions, it swings on my own. I've learnt that much by now.

[Moose]

Moose, you're right. I appologize. Dare I say I will even pos you when I can again to compensate for my mistake. In my defense tho, a *lot* of people thought he was you, as, afterall, he was trying to convince everyone he was you. He was negged where appropriate, so he gets nothin back from me, but I was wrong, and will try to make that up at least slightly with you. Sorry again.

I accept your apology, just remember what I said about my point being proven with you, so even though you may not have understood my comments back before my break, maybe now you understand what I was saying about your conceptions about my thinking, just don't believe everything you see, often the context is not there to support it.

[Jeffery]

We did add banners to the site but that was something we had taken out so really it was nothing new, and recently we switched a lot of our inventory to the less bothersome goggle ad types.



Ok, now to veer towards a un-unrelated topic.

I just used IE to browse the site and forums. I wanted to check out the new ad inventory. Now, being a Google Adsense customer myself, I know how they work.

And I also know that having flash ads on the top, and addynamix and fastclick ads on the bottom is NOT google ad types.

Now, the ads are there, nothing is gonna make them go away (except FF ;) ). But if you are going to say you switched to google type ads, should the ads be google type ads?

A long time ago, several forum members were yelled at for having scantily dressed women in their banners. More recently, the skin tolerance has been raised greatly.
However:
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5016/media819194es.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=media819194es.jpg)

How many parents will want their kids on a site selling women like that? Is that really age appropriate for what TAO claims to be as a teen friendly site?

[x-useme]

That's a good point, today my mom came in the door to check if I was looking at porn or what not, and that advertisement was showing so I was forced to close the window. My mom is now super suspicious...

[meat.eater]

That is a VERY common ad. Does it make it right to be here? No. But I see that on hotmail all the time.

The ones I hate are the ones that make noise.

[Spirit_Monger]

If my mom saw something like that in an add she'd probably never let me play this again. She already gets mad enough if she sees a word that she considers "offensive".

[x-useme]

I definately agree with that meat. TAO took out the clown ad that laughed (sorry Jeffery), but instead of it, they put annoying smileys that go

HELLLLOOOOOOOOO

[Hugh Junit]

To Hugh- Come on, you were not taking a stand, you were making a statement (big difference) You were one of the (if not the most) beloved mod, and if you didn't think you'd sway people you wouldn't have given reasons why 12's ban was wrong; You could of just said that you believed his ban was wrong and that was why you were leaving... But you tried to reason that his ban was wrong, and thus was a statement of sway...


You want to argue about the difference between a "stand" and a "statement"? I thought this was a serious discussion.
And I repeat that the my intention was not to sway people. Some members with similar opinions obviously spoke out, and I wasn't surprised that they did, but I created the thread to explain exactly why I was stepping down as mod.
I'm pretty sure I said that, right at the top of my original post.
I didn't post once in that thread after I created it. Other people did, which is what people do in forums.
I only began posting here in response to sergiy, and later in response to people who are trying to speculate about the reasons for what I did.
I've been very clear about why I did it. As clear as I can be.
I don't think I've ever exchanged a post with you, or talked to you in a server lobby, so you certainly don't know me well enough to assume anything about my motives.

[meat.eater]

And theres the stupid Site Pal. It was cool the first time. Not anymore. The most disturbing one ive seen was this clown in a jail cell with bulging eye sockets and a mysterious grin. And the objective of the little game was "Give the Psycho Clown his Tranquilizer" or something.

[uniquinous]

And the objective of the little game was "Give the Psycho Clown his Tranquilizer" or something.
Yeah I never quite managed to tranqualize that psycho clown myself... :rolleyes: :bigsmile:

[meat.eater]

That wasnt a metaphor for Jeffery, either.

Totally real.

[Bottle]

I don't think I've ever exchanged a post with you, or talked to you in a server lobby, so you certainly don't know me well enough to assume anything about my motives.
But Doctor Device's motives are entirely clear. He wants to decredit 12 as much as he possibly can, and the best way to do that, he thinks, is to strike out at those who felt his banning was wrong. Petty yes, but there you go.

[Poop Slinger]

Still, no one has disputed my idea that the permanent ban was unfounded. I'll take that as confirmation that I was right.

Actually I addressed this. When an admin perma banns a user on vbullentin no one but that admin can unbann the user. This keeps other admins from reinstating. And if things didn't get too out of control.. maybe the ban COULD have gotten lifted, hell maybe it still could.. as I suggested 12 would have to apologize.. But since this ordeal has gotten way out of control, Sergiy has no reason to come in and say he was wrong. He wasn't. A ban was needed and ban that needed to be controlled only by the admin who put it in place. Just like on my main account, it can only be unbanned by DR or maybe bills. I don't quite remember.

You keep saying others of un biased want it lifted.. but all I see is your posting every other thread.. with some link about "My goodbye" in it. If others felt this way they had time to speak up in the threads about it..

I never said I didn't want it lifted either for the record. I do believe he needed a slap on the wrist.

Hugh.. Damn you.. I don't wanna fight with you about anything either.. So two things.. I sadly feel DD posts is right on that its more of a stand. You making the post draws attention.. you baring your chest with all your "I've done what i can for the community" WHICH YOU HAVE. And with your status. and presence you cannot expect the community not to be swayed.. Maybe saying toddler is hurtful.. or definitely not the right word.. but I see it a stand not just statement.

And about my respect for 12. I can respect a man.. but not always respect the actions and motives he uses to get things done for ever occasion. This is the case. His trolling had become excessive.

Jeffery yet another good point.. No google ads as far as the eye can see.. but them dating ads are always nice.. I like the topless ones where their covering themselves with their forearms. Nothing says PG-13 like them.. I wonder what would COPPA think...

I assume bills interest with this thread have expired.. Being 19 pages.. 14 or so about Twelve and 3 of nonsense.. instead of game issues.. eh.. nothing like getting off topic.

[Jeffery]

Silly Mel. Any Admin can lift the permaban on your name. And would have had tou asked when you got back in.

[Poop Slinger]

I have asked several times. And Pm'ed every new mod.

[Jeffery]

Send in a ticket. ;)

[Poop Slinger]

LOL... LOL.. yeah... good times..

[Jeffery]

And worse comes to worse, call Bills.

Only ever did that once. But I considered it an emergency.

[Bottle]

Actually I addressed this. When an admin perma banns a user on vbullentin no one but that admin can unbann the user. This keeps other admins from reinstating. And if things didn't get too out of control.. maybe the ban COULD have gotten lifted, hell maybe it still could.. as I suggested 12 would have to apologize.. But since this ordeal has gotten way out of control, Sergiy has no reason to come in and say he was wrong. He wasn't. A ban was needed and ban that needed to be controlled only by the admin who put it in place. Just like on my main account, it can only be unbanned by DR or maybe bills. I don't quite remember.

You keep saying others of un biased want it lifted.. but all I see is your posting every other thread.. with some link about "My goodbye" in it. If others felt this way they had time to speak up in the threads about it..

I never said I didn't want it lifted either for the record. I do believe he needed a slap on the wrist.
You still did not answer my actual question. Perhaps in your rush to point out that I'm wrong, you didn't stop to look what I was talking about.

I'm not asking IF can 12 be unbanned now. I'm saying a permanent ban, according to the rules, was unfounded in the first place:

1.3 Trolling
Trolling is the act of constantly posting negative comments about TAO and it's members/staff. It is a serious offense. Users that troll will be given a temporary ban. Repeated trolling will incur a permanent ban.
Twelve had not been previously warned or banned for trolling, so why was the ban permanent immediately? And don't give me the "he's been trolling for years" rubbish, because he's never been temporarily banned or warned before.

Yes, I am posting in every thread, because I feel strongly about the issue. That's why I'm back from my "final goodbye", and that's why it's going to end in either my getting banned (as seems likely) or 12 being un-permabanned. Other, unbiased, members, HAVE posted in the threads to say that they thought sergiy was wrong, and obviously don't feel the need to post it again.

Please, mel, put aside your obvious dislike of me and 12 for this and look at it rationally. I am pleased, however, to see that you agree that the ban should now be lifted.

[Hatchet Klown]

Bott -

This is where my views on the ban sway from agreeing with sergiy. He was just to ban 12, but due since it was his first time being punished (we have all agreed 12 trolled before, but was never dealt with) he should have recieved a temporary ban.

[Memnarch]

I have read most of these posts. In my opinion, 12 should have been temp banned from the forums. I think he should be reinstated.

[Pixel]

All the crap that is being said about 12 needs to stop immediately. No one has ever had a problem with him before and if you did, you were too chicken shit to say it directly to him. This whole situation is ridiculous and Netjak will stay strong no matter what happens.

[Bottle]

PIXEL BRINGS THE BEATDOWN.

You all just got owned by a girl, folks. :)

[R G]

All the crap that is being said about 12 needs to stop immediately. No one has ever had a problem with him before and if you did, you were too chicken shit to say it directly to him. This whole situation is ridiculous and Netjak will stay strong no matter what happens.


I haven't read anything saying anything negative about 12 himself...got mad respect for the fellow...his actions however are what got him banned. Simple as that.

[Bottle]

You obviously didn't read the bit about 12 being a "constant troller", according to meletus (rival clan leader), uniquinous (rival clan leader and modded by sergiy), and Doctor Device (who hardly even knows 12 and follows uniquinous around like a little dog).

It's now been 7 pages since I asked if anyone had a good reason for the ban being permanent on the first offence. Still, nobody has come up with one...

[R G]

Trolling is not necessarily a bad character trait...it is just not tolerated in this medium.

Again it is his actions that got him banned as mentioned...his good qualities far out weigh his bad.

[Bottle]

RG, you continue not to make sense and not answer my points. "Trolling is not necessarily a bad trait"? And what about the fact that it was permanent?

Please, only post if you have something to add to the discussion.

[Bills]

Ok, now to veer towards a un-unrelated topic.

I just used IE to browse the site and forums. I wanted to check out the new ad inventory. Now, being a Google Adsense customer myself, I know how they work.



To a person which "knows" ads and how they work in the grand scheme of things you would have read my post and seen, "recently we switched a lot of our inventory to the less bothersome goggle ad types".

Which means.... to a person that knows.... that we will sell a google ads in place of a fastclick or other ads more often. Which also means you will see less skin/social ads because we opted out of most of those ad runs.

To a person that knows....this means less borthersome ads and more user friendly google ads:P

[Bottle]

Bills, please read the PM I sent you carefully. Don't be put off by its length.

[Bills]

Bills, please read the PM I sent you carefully. Don't be put off by its length.

I'm not, I will reply later this afternoon. I need time to get some info and such.

[Bottle]

Thanks. Make sure you read the other one as well before replying. I should be on until reasonably late this evening.

[TheSilverRider]

I think that the moajority of peoples signatures say it all. (i.e. me, bot, and others). :(

[Sensai]

Would it be wierd if I stated that in light of recent event I have restarted my TAO and become active on Banff again. Active being 4 - 9:30 weekdays XD.

[uniquinous]

No one has ever had a problem with him before and if you did, you were too chicken shit to say it directly to him. This whole situation is ridiculous and Netjak will stay strong no matter what happens.
Except... people have had problem with him, and they did tell him directly, and I did cite these places in previous posts...

Bots you noob - you can't even get banned well. :p

[Bottle]

Believe me, if 12 doesn't get his ban reduced at the least I'll be banned. I'll keep this subject in the public eye so long that Bills will have no choice but to ban me. And I've told him as much in my PM, because no matter what you guys think of me, I am gentlemanly enough to warn someone of my intentions when those intentions will harm their cause.

I could have just asked Hugh (before he was demodded), Glam, Realist, or max to ban me if I'd not felt that the fight was worth fighting. In fact, at one point, I did ask Hugh to... but changed my mind because I realised that I could use my presence here one final time.

[TheSilverRider]

Believe me, if 12 doesn't get his ban reduced at the least I'll be banned. I'll keep this subject in the public eye so long that Bills will have no choice but to ban me. And I've told him as much in my PM, because no matter what you guys think of me, I am gentlemanly enough to warn someone of my intentions when those intentions will harm their cause.

I could have just asked Hugh (before he was demodded), Glam, Realist, or max to ban me if I'd not felt that the fight was worth fighting. In fact, at one point, I did ask Hugh to... but changed my mind because I realised that I could use my presence here one final time.

Im glad your still here bot. FIGHT THE FIGHT.:)

[meat.eater]

Im getting sick of everyone making this into a huge deal. It was a huge deal. I agree. But its time to stop.

The only people who have been banned are people that attacked sergiy (or asked to be banned). Anybody who DIDNT attack sergiy, WASNT trolling, and WASNT banned. You're making up definitions of trolling now.

As Ive said before - if sergiy FELT trolled, he may act upon it. It is all a matter of personal emotion in the person with the power. If i were to send him a screenshot of me feeling trolled, he would only ban them if he felt I was being trolled as well. Its PERSONAL OPINION. And yours disagree's with him. That doesnt make him wrong.

Obviously the duration of the bans is the ongoing factor here - and there seems to be some differences between whats posted and what happened. What happened seems to be the rules to abide by, however. So my advice to admins is to make both of those categories agree with each other.

As much as I have shown my dissapointment at the loss of 12, it has now been a week.

Another thing annoying me - are the people Keeping track of the people banned, and putting complaints in their signature, basically reminding everyone that they hate whats going on right now. If you'll notice, few people are posting here anymore. Its just an effort to drag down the forums with you, and THAT, frankly, SUCKS. Not very noble of you. I look at some people, who I dont even know, and see them talking about all the vets who are gone, and I think to myself, "Do you even KNOW ANY of these people?"

My patience is running very thin.

I dont understand why people who are leaving, or trying to leave unless thier demands are met, dont think we're capable of running a perfectly good forum without them. Thats a bit egotistical, dont you think? Its also quite insulting to the people who plan to stay.

[Bottle]

Then stop reading this thread and posting on the matter, meat. Because I'm not stopping for you. You remember yesterday that I said that I've learned enough not to let others sway my mood? You can't sway my disappointment in this whole saga either.

So basically, do yourself a favour. Don't read the thread and don't post here if it annoys you so much.

I also think it's quite apt that even you realise that the ban duration was entirely unfounded by the rules that were in place when the ban was put into effect.

[meat.eater]

Fair enough.

As one last little thing, however (unless something else is said here that triggers something in me), I would, and Realist would appriciate it if you didnt mention him - to anyone who has him currently listed in your siggy.

Ive talked with him. His leave really WAS unrelated. He agree's it is bad timing, and that sucks for him - but he is traveling. I dont think he would appriciate representing him falsely.

Just a request. Take it how you must.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Bottle, come on, take those things out of your sig entirely. It only adds flame to the fire. Display your opinion in your posts, let people say their own goodbyes, you dont need to say it for them.

Just my 2 cents.

[Bottle]

Why should MY signature be chosen by YOU?

Seriously, every post you do makes you look like more and more of an idiot. My advice is stop desperately trying to prove us wrong, and instead, think about what you are posting before you post it.

Anyway, people have put tributes to other players in their signature before. It's a perfectly common thing to do.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I just asked, I think its spiteful.

[TheSilverRider]

Hey man i got one to. Get a grip. Its a tribute.

[mantis33]

Trend whore? :rolleyes: *gets his own tribute siggy* :p

[Bottle]

I just asked, I think its spiteful.
No. It's respectful, something you seem to have no idea about.

[TheSilverRider]

No. It's respectful, something you seem to have no idea about.

In respect of matt:

"0wned with a capital zero"

[mantis33]

In respect of matt:

"0wned with a capital zero"
:eek: Owned is spelled with a 0??? :confused: What is this world coming to????!!?!??!?

[uniquinous]

Well, to be honest silver, your "tribute" is a bit misleading with Realist. I don't like seeing him in anyone's signatures, but bots does have the decency to state it's unrelated. You're using his vacation as a means to exploit the situation.

For someone who ends the large majority of his posts with "keep it real", you're not.


EDIT: pwned is spelled with a p, and pronounced "pweened", get is straight noobs.

[TheSilverRider]

Well, to be honest silver, your "tribute" is a bit misleading with Realist. I don't like seeing him in anyone's signatures, but bots does have the decency to state it's unrelated. You're using his vacation as a means to exploit the situation.

For someone who ends the large majority of his posts with "keep it real", you're not.


EDIT: pwned is spelled with a p, and pronounced "pweened", get is straight noobs.

Ok i will fix that. Thanx for the input. By the way i got to much negative feedback (posts and negs) to stop saying keep it real after my posts. Once again thanks for the input.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Silver, Hugh is not gone, he just resigned as mod.

[TheSilverRider]

Silver, Hugh is not gone, he just resigned as mod.

Ok ill fix that to! Thanx Geek.

[Jeffery]

To a person which "knows" ads and how they work in the grand scheme of things you would have read my post and seen, "recently we switched a lot of our inventory to the less bothersome goggle ad types".

Which means.... to a person that knows.... that we will sell a google ads in place of a fastclick or other ads more often. Which also means you will see less skin/social ads because we opted out of most of those ad runs.

To a person that knows....this means less borthersome ads and more user friendly google ads:P
Ok, so by "more" you mean absolutely 0?

As in 20 ads from 10 pages, and not one was a google ad. Not one was text based. 9 were flash based ads. 5 had sound to them. 3 had women that were naked enough that I know several parents that would put TAO on the filter list for website not good for their kid.

Edit: Ooo wait, i just rechecked, and out of 12 ads, one was a flash ad that had the google looking blue text.

[TheSilverRider]

Silver, Hugh is not gone, he just resigned as mod.

Is this better? I did my best.

[Memnarch]

What a mess. What a mess. I hope this gets resolved soon, because I hate to see so many household names of TAO leave. There has to be a common ground where the admin, mods, and the rest of the community will agree with. What can be done to reach a compromise?

[Bottle]

I would love to be able to thrash out a compromise with Bills if and when he gets back online as he said earlier. He's 5-6 hours behind me, I believe, but he said he'd be here in the afternoon. It's now 11pm for me and I have to go before midnight. If he doesn't come on soon I shall have to postpone our discussion, and that won't help matters at all. This needs resolution.

[Memnarch]

I agree.

[yall are ded]

make time bot this is....important. Aye aye aye I've got a long school competition to prepare to work on.:) I've won 3 years in a row so I need the time and enegry to give it my best. I don't need this heartache of a forum getting on my nerve. So for a while peace TAO.:)

Edit: dont put me in your sig.

[Sora]

Well, i have read through most of this thread, and many more threads related to this topic. The one thing that is incredibly stupid of people, is leaving, resigning, and getting banned, to solve their problems is awfully dull. I've read warcows thread. He left, and asked for a ban, because of recent insidents. 12 got banned, for sending a PM, which had no specific deatails, of him verbally (letters words whatever) abusing sergiy. A few others either left, or resigned from whatever their position here on the forums or in the game were.

The thing i am pointing out, and maybe many others will point out as well, Why leave for such stupid things, this will pass by eventually and everything will remain the same (except for the few loss's). Why bother with threats of not paying for your account or leaving, when you are really hurting yourself. (well...if you understand where im coming from)

I am being honest here...Everything everybody is doing to try to get a few people back, is pointless.

Sincerely,
~Sora

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Well, i have read through most of this thread, and many more threads related to this topic. The one thing that is incredibly stupid of people, is leaving, resigning, and getting banned, to solve their problems is awfully dull. I've read warcows thread. He left, and asked for a ban, because of recent insidents. 12 got banned, for sending a PM, which had no specific deatails, of him verbally (letters words whatever) abusing sergiy. A few others either left, or resigned from whatever their position here on the forums or in the game were.

The thing i am pointing out, and maybe many others will point out as well, Why leave for such stupid things, this will pass by eventually and everything will remain the same (except for the few loss's). Why bother with threats of not paying for your account or leaving, when you are really hurting yourself. (well...if you understand where im coming from)

I am being honest here...Everything everybody is doing to try to get a few people back, is pointless.

Sincerely,
~Sora

Amazingly accurate for -10 posts

[Jeffery]

Well, i have read through most of this thread, and many more threads related to this topic. The one thing that is incredibly stupid of people, is leaving, resigning, and getting banned, to solve their problems is awfully dull. I've read warcows thread. He left, and asked for a ban, because of recent insidents. 12 got banned, for sending a PM, which had no specific deatails, of him verbally (letters words whatever) abusing sergiy. A few others either left, or resigned from whatever their position here on the forums or in the game were.

The thing i am pointing out, and maybe many others will point out as well, Why leave for such stupid things, this will pass by eventually and everything will remain the same (except for the few loss's). Why bother with threats of not paying for your account or leaving, when you are really hurting yourself. (well...if you understand where im coming from)

I am being honest here...Everything everybody is doing to try to get a few people back, is pointless.

Sincerely,
~Sora
What you and many other newbs DON'T understand is that many of the long standing members here are not here just for the game. The community that is here is far more addictive than the game has ever been, and it is that community that has kept those members here.
When that community is destroyed by the actions of the administration, people no longer have that reason to stay, or to continue helping out the administration.

[Sora]

Anyone flames her gets a beating from me :bb: She is already more intelligent thatn 1/2 of TAO with less than 10 posts. HUZZAH!

Apparently your not that intelligent. Im a boy.:)

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Apparently your not that intelligent. Im a boy.:)

Whoops, sorry, I do that to a lot of people xD. Have fun on TAO, tho Jeff is right.

[Sora]

What you and many other newbs DON'T understand is that many of the long standing members here are not here just for the game. The community that is here is far more addictive than the game has ever been, and it is that community that has kept those members here.
When that community is destroyed by the actions of the administration, people no longer have that reason to stay, or to continue helping out the administration.

Sorry for double posting if i had...

Well then, the administration should do a better job at understanding their customers. Abd take the time to actually solve the problems at hand.

But! Without the administration, would there be any forums or game?

All i really am trying to point out, is the administration has been taking care of this game for about 2 years, am i right? Without their time and effort put towards this game, with the upkeep and upgrades and everything. Dont you think this would be a giant mess?

[pure_caffeine]

Sorry for double posting if i had...

Well then, the administration should do a better job at understanding their customers. Abd take the time to actually solve the problems at hand.
But! Without the administration, would there be any forums or game?

All i really am trying to point out, is the administration has been taking care of this game for about 2 years, am i right? Without their time and effort put towards this game, with the upkeep and upgrades and everything. Dont you think this would be a giant mess?


Agreed... the admins are underapreciated, and we owe them soooo much... i don't seem to agree with you much, sora, but here i do...

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Hurts to disagree :(

One could argue without US they would be nothing.

The thing is, its a balance, they keep their bargain, while we in fact are helping them. Would we do them any favor by just leaving? Soon it would turn into a disfunctional site without any customers and the OLD customers would feel guilty. Is that a way to pay them back for making a great game?

[Aro23r]

If he doesn't come on soon I shall have to postpone our discussion, and that won't help matters at all.

Really? Let everything settle down, give more time to think it over, ponder motives and other perspectives, let the emotional connection sever a bit; sounds like exactly what we need is more time.

[uniquinous]

So who are you actually? I just find it a bit difficult to believe some complete stranger wandered into this community, knew no one, yet cared enough to spend a *lot* of time reading a large number of threads to give their expert opinion. Have you been playing and just not been on forums as Teacher has? j/w

EDIT: still love aro - dead on accurate.

[Jeffery]

Sorry for double posting if i had...

Well then, the administration should do a better job at understanding their customers. Abd take the time to actually solve the problems at hand.

But! Without the administration, would there be any forums or game?

All i really am trying to point out, is the administration has been taking care of this game for about 2 years, am i right? Without their time and effort put towards this game, with the upkeep and upgrades and everything. Dont you think this would be a giant mess?
Yes, the admins have taken their time, FOR WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN AMPLY PAID.

Bills and Sergiy make money from TAO. They do not so so out of the goodness of their heart. Their actions are not driven sole by the want to make TAO the best community on the net. Their intent is to make TAO tolerable enough to continue to make a living off of it.

The very people they have chosen to drive off are those who have SPENT money, time and effort by CHOICE to make TAO better, not because they are paid to do so.

[Sora]

I joined the forums today, but i have been playing for about a month now. I apologize for any inconvieniences.

Edit: this was directed t uniquinous.

[bludhoundz]

Let the 12/Serg issue die, theres been more than enough of it.

I vote that we re-mention the new server, screenshot and forum design contest to Bills.

[Jeffery]

Let the 12/Serg issue die, theres been more than enough of it.

I vote that we re-mention the new server, screenshot and forum design contest to Bills.
I'll third that Blud.

[R G]

I will forth it...


Any ideas for the name yet?

[Pieface1337]

I will forth it...


Any ideas for the name yet?

Server name? Wasn't there a thread with like over 100 ideas?

[meat.eater]

Let the 12/Serg issue die, theres been more than enough of it.

I vote that we re-mention the new server, screenshot and forum design contest to Bills.

Thats All Ive been asking for for 2 days.

I 5th it.

[TheSilverRider]

Server name? Wasn't there a thread with like over 100 ideas?

yes. (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22122&highlight=Server)

[Bottle]

I'm still awaiting Bills' response to my PM...

[R G]

Let me clue you in Bottle....


HE DON'T CARE!!!!

[Bottle]

Yes he does.

He's losing $50 a month as a direct result. He cares. :)

[R G]

Dude,

You are totally clueless...Your $50 is a drop in the bucket.

[Jeffery]

RG, if Bills didn't care, he would never have made this thread in direct response to what has been happening.

So the proof that he cares is that you are sitting here talking about it.

[TheSilverRider]

RG, if Bills didn't care, he would never have made this thread in direct response to what has been happening.

So the proof that he cares is that you are sitting here talking about it.

Ouch. As matt would say:

"0wned with a capital zero"

p.s. What has happened to matt?:confused:

[Bottle]

Dude,

You are totally clueless...Your $50 is a drop in the bucket.
a) It's not MY $50, and b) it's $50 A MONTH. It adds up.

Like I said earlier, unless you have something valid to contribute to the discussion, don't post it.

[C.H.I.L.L.]

bottle is right....bills is losen cash fast b/c of all the people pissen around :dry:

[R G]

RG, if Bills didn't care, he would never have made this thread in direct response to what has been happening.

So the proof that he cares is that you are sitting here talking about it.


Jeffery....What part of this don't you understand? He did not create this in direct response to the 12/Seirgy incident. Bottle and a few others have turned it into that however.

Go back and read it for yourself...



This thread has gone a little off topic, but some things to clear up.

Trolling, and harassment are not limited to public areas. I don't know why any of you would ever think that. If someone is being a pest and breaking the rules over PM, that counts the same as any other part of the forums.

This is just generally speaking, not talking about the problem many of you are talking about. But if someone keeps pming someone in public or in private messages they are still under the same guidelines as everyone else.

Perhaps, Sergiy posted 1 message out of a bunch of messages and that one was the final straw. Perhaps he wanted to send a message to that person and others to clean up their acts when using the pm function. Perhaps people have been ignoring previous warning to drop the subject they were contacting admins about... Perhaps, perhaps perhaps.

No one really knows what is going on, I do think that if everyone tries to calm down from these few bans things will get sorted out.

I mean for up to a year now everyone loved Sergiy and trusted him. Don't you think he will in the end will treat everyone the same as he has over the last year. I'm sure a larger percentage of you have had tickets or problems solved by him.You know he's a pretty level headed guy.

I think a lot will get solved if you let the people involved handle this, ei Sergiy and the people that were banned handle it. I think 9 times out of 10 after a few days people calm down and compromise on things.

Just look at Jeffery, I think I've banned him at least a few times over the years, but he's still here...still taking pot shots at us :P

So in short on this one issue, everyone needs to put down the Red Bull and relax.

[Bottle]

If you truely believe that, you're even more stupid than you've sounded in your last few posts.

[R G]

You haven't left yet??? lol

[Bottle]

Again, I've said that I'm leaving as soon as either 12 has his permaban reduced or I get banned by Bills. One or the other is going to happen quite soon, I think. But then, as you don't read my posts, you wouldn't know that.

[R G]

Now if I were Bill's I would just let you keep making an ass out of yourself...meanwhile I would keep cashing in your checks every month...hehehe

[Bottle]

I don't send Bills money any more. Again, you show your complete ignorance of the situation.

I think I've pointed out enough holes in your arguments by now. Welcome to my ignore list, at least for as long as I'll need an ignore list.

[R G]

Great!!!

Now I will not have to read your repeated posts in opposition to mine...

Oh Bottle close the door behind you when you leave!!!

[the gray]

Off-topic post.

Has anyone noticed Bills' siggy? He's swearing in l33t.

Just thought I might point that out . . .

[Bottle]

I thought Bills never had a signature. Let me check.

Edit: He doesn't...

[the gray]

Oops, his second post in this thread looked as if it had a siggy in it.

My bad, Bot.

[Northwind]

I have to say that the thing that makes me saddest in all of this is to see that Sergiy apparently has no ability to consider this situation from any perspective other than his own.

If anything, Sergiy "trolled" Twelve by posting Twelve's PM publicly and then asking for community comment. When he got said comment, he then used it as justification for banning Twelve (and others). Tell me, who was "baiting" whom in this situation? (And BTW, for any of you not familiar with the origins of the term, "trolling" is a fishing term for dragging a baiting line and waiting for the fish to bite. Sergiy's public posting of a private message seems the definition of trying to get someone to "bite" in an angry way.)

Anyway, in my world, when grown-ups make a mistake, they admit it and then seek to redress the damage that was done. It's sad to see that Sergiy isn't able to even understand his role in this whole thing, much less admit that he may have erred.

[Bottle]

Oh, sergiy understands his role in this. He's been keeping VERY quiet recently, waiting for the whole thing to blow over.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for Bills' PM, which is now starting to annoy me. I thought we had got his attention.

[Wolfman]

dam.. 24 pages of posts.... n nothing is solved here....

welcome to the "FAST PROBLEM SOLVING" community.

bot, wolf gotcha back, even though now he is very sick...

wolfy

[Bottle]

Don't trouble yourself, wolf.

And get on MSN more. Sheesh... wolf is dumb. Hehe...

[Learz]

I find it ironic that kegs was banned, but not Bottle.

Also, I find it ironic that the Blacklist is being updated....

Likewise, it is also very ironic that BILLS has to defend sergiy.... why can;t sergiy defend himself? Hmmm....?

In addition, why can't any admin justify Twelves' ban?

Oh yeah, I forgot they were immature 7-year-olds trying to play god, sorry, my fault.

[Bottle]

Kegs was banned because he asked Glam to. I haven't been banned yet because I asked Bills to. :rolleyes:

Sergiy has made one post to try and defend himself.

Why can't an admin justify 12's ban? Because they had no need to give him a permanent one.

[Aro23r]

Why can't an admin justify 12's ban?

Because they don't have to.

[Memnarch]

True that, but an explanation would probably quiet everyone down some.

[Teacher]

Because they don't have to.


This is just a curiosity question, but to what extent are we inferior to the admin? I understand they have the final say, just as parents do, But what you are stating is the same thing a parent would say to his/her child. "It's that way because I said so."
Yet when a parent crosses their own rules, the child is quick to point out to the parent that they have broken a rule. (I know from experience..lol) You then get the classic phrase of "Do as I say, not as I do." In this case the admins, set a specific set of rules that i'm not going to quote because it's been done many times. (Also, because I honestly don't know how to do it.) :confused: But it plainly stated that in order to be a perm. ban it had to be a repeat offense and that the person had to have already been punished for it. From what i'm understanding he was never punished for it, nor warned. (Once again, i'm a noob, so I could most definately be wrong.) I have been keeping up on the situation, just not responding because enough people have spoken the same thoughts that i have and feel no need to repeat them.

[Learz]

Kegs was banned because he asked Glam to. I haven't been banned yet because I asked Bills to. :rolleyes:

Sergiy has made one post to try and defend himself.

Why can't an admin justify 12's ban? Because they had no need to give him a permanent one.

In effect, the dministration has said "F off community, we're admins, we do what we want."
:dry:
I refer to my statement at the end of me post above.....

[meat.eater]

This is just a curiosity question, but to what extent are we inferior to the admin?

In this game, infinitly. As people, not at all.

[Bottle]

This Teacher guy is going to beat Cid's record of 11 green boxes in 50 posts if he keeps this up...

[Memnarch]

No kidding. I just gave him my puny 7 points too.

[ReTodd]

Likewise, it is also very ironic that BILLS has to defend sergiy.... why can;t sergiy defend himself?

He is emotionally invested in the drama surrounding his decisions and is unable to provide an objective opinion on the topic as was made abundantly clear by the thread he made.

[R G]

Why can't an admin justify 12's ban? Because they had no need to give him a permanent one.

I believe that is what this post was....You may not like the explanation, but it is an explanation none the less.

For those like you Bottle no explanation is good enough...time to move on.





Looks like we have here what they call mass hysteria.

Lets clear things up a little with Twelve's case because the majority of those who are complaining here just see what they want to see.

If you try to read the reason why Twelve was banned, you will see this: "trolling and administration offence". I could ban him right after receiving that PM. If you think that you can offence somebody via PM without any punishment you are wrong. Mods and I by myself have got tons of complains from users who received offensive PMs or even rep messages on our forum, and such actions were always punished.

But because I knew that this PM was not from just a regular member, I decided to ask others if they support the points Twelve made in his PM (because he was talking there not only about himself but about the whole community). When I asked him to post his message on the forum he refused it, so I posted it by myself because I had to know either what he said is true and there is a problem with me or false and there is a problem with him. You may say that I shouldn't post his PM. I say that a person shouldn't bring accusations which he is not able to repeat in public (if those are real accusations of course, not just a try to offence somebody).

Again if you try to read what I said in that thread and what other mods said you will see that everything Twelve wrote in his PM was disproved and all his posts there where he was saying that my actions were wrong were considered as trolling.


So, if you ask me again: did he deserve his permanent ban? I would answer: absolutely.

[meat.eater]

If you would read it, R G, he never addresses the fact that the forums rules state opposite then what his final decision was.

And that is what Bottle meant. And you know that.

Dont jump on people for no good reason. Try to think about the context in which it was written before you type anything. Trying to sound intelligent doesnt mean you are.

My opinions on the issue still stand. But you, sir, wether I agree with *some* of the stuff you are writing or not, are now just throwing punches. And that is unbelievably annoying. Seriously, just shut up.

All that needs to happen is Bottle to talk to Bills. Then everything will be how it is going to be. There is NO need for you to post anything anymore.

[TheSilverRider]

This Teacher guy is going to beat Cid's record of 11 green boxes in 50 posts if he keeps this up...

Ill help! Lol he deserves it though he totally reads through posts and thinks about things before he does so.:bigsmile:

[R G]

If you would read it, R G, he never addresses the fact that the forums rules state opposite then what his final decision was..

That makes no sense at all....:confused: do you mean "than"?

If so the rules are pretty clear to me...No Trolling means no Trolling.


And that is what Bottle meant. And you know that.

Dont jump on people for no good reason. Try to think about the context in which it was written before you type anything. Trying to sound intelligent doesnt mean you are.

My opinions on the issue still stand. but you, sir, wether I agree with *some* of the stuff you are writing or not, are now just throwing punches. And that is unbelievably annoying.

I am not trying to sound anything to anybody...I am just voicing my opinion as you are.

You may not agree with me and I may not agree with you...and in the whole scheme of things it don't really matter...because neither of us are going to change each others opinions.

[meat.eater]

That makes no sense at all....:confused: do you mean "than"?

If so the rules are pretty clear to me...No Trolling means no Trolling.

Nice. Jump on my typo's that always happen to inevitably anyone. Nice.



I am not trying to sound anything to anybody...I am just voicing my opinion as you are.

You may not agree with me and I may not agree with you...and in the whole scheme of things it don't really matter...because neither of us are going to change each others opinions.

And we ALL already know your opinion. You're just going in cycles. And yes. Thats annoying.

[R G]

Why don't you jump on Bottle for the same thing??? We all know his opinion too?

[Alex`]

Why can't an admin justify 12's ban? Because they had no need to give him a permanent one.

What Twelve did was insult the administration; though it was against the rules, sergiy should have known better then to give a permanant ban to one of the most well-known and well-liked veterans of TAO (not to mention the founder of the biggest clan of TAO, and the writer of many TAO strategy reviews). Yes, it was against the rules, but honestly, a permanant ban? Maybe a warning or just a 2 or 3 days ban would be good enough, but look at all the mess this permanant ban has made; look at all the vets starting to slowly dissapear; not cool.

I have nothing against the administration(since no matter what I say or how I say it, the administrator(s) will always win, people just can't change that face), nor have I ever, but what I think is that the administrators shouldn't view themselves as 'the big boss', they should view themselves as an EQUAL human TAO gamer/forumer; because if Twelve had insulted a regular forumer with some kind of PM like the one he insulted sergiy with, he would have gotten away with either no ban, or a two day ban; NOT a permanant.

I would enjoy it if sergiy or Bills would post some replies to these questions/statements made in this thread, I've read some really good ones, and some with very interesting and valid points.

I ask that no one take this post too seriously, or personal, I was just stating what I felt, I was NOT flaming nor insulting ANYONE.

Thank you.

[Aro23r]

Can we stop talking about this?

We get it.

[R G]

What Twelve did was insult the administration; though it was against the rules, sergiy should have known better then to give a permanant ban to one of the most well-known and well-liked veterans of TAO (not to mention the founder of the biggest clan of TAO, and the writer of many TAO strategy reviews). Yes, it was against the rules, but honestly, a permanant ban? Maybe a warning or just a 2 or 3 days ban would be good enough, but look at all the mess this permanant ban has made; look at all the vets starting to slowly dissapear; not cool.

I have nothing against the administration(since no matter what I say or how I say it, the administrator(s) will always win, people just can't change that face), nor have I ever, but what I think is that the administrators shouldn't view themselves as 'the big boss', they should view themselves as an EQUAL human TAO gamer/forumer; because if Twelve had insulted a regular forumer with some kind of PM like the one he insulted sergiy with, he would have gotten away with either no ban, or a two day ban; NOT a permanant.

I would enjoy it if sergiy or Bills would post some replies to these questions/statements made in this thread, I've read some really good ones, and some with very interesting and valid points.

I ask that no one take this post too seriously, or personal, I was just stating what I felt, I was NOT flaming nor insulting ANYONE.

Thank you.

Twelve you could have come up with a better name don't ya think?


Hey Bottle you can shut up now Twelve is back...

[Office_Shredder]

What Twelve did was insult the administration; though it was against the rules, sergiy should have known better then to give a permanant ban to one of the most well-known and well-liked veterans of TAO (not to mention the founder of the biggest clan of TAO, and the writer of many TAO strategy reviews). Yes, it was against the rules, but honestly, a permanant ban? Maybe a warning or just a 2 or 3 days ban would be good enough, but look at all the mess this permanant ban has made; look at all the vets starting to slowly dissapear; not cool.

First, popularity does not give you a free ride to break the rules. Seconds, all the vets slowly disappearing? A couple people left, a couple people said they would leave, that's about it. The majority of people on this board are unfazed by what happened, and are willing to just keep on posting

I have nothing against the administration(since no matter what I say or how I say it, the administrator(s) will always win, people just can't change that face), nor have I ever, but what I think is that the administrators shouldn't view themselves as 'the big boss', they should view themselves as an EQUAL human TAO gamer/forumer; because if Twelve had insulted a regular forumer with some kind of PM like the one he insulted sergiy with, he would have gotten away with either no ban, or a two day ban; NOT a permanant.

But that's the point. The admins AREN'T equal. You have to treat them with a certain level of respect, because they ARE the ones running the show


I ask that no one take this post too seriously, or personal, I was just stating what I felt, I was NOT flaming nor insulting ANYONE.

Either you were serious, or you weren't. Don't ask us to seriously consider your ideas, but just kind of ignore them if we don't agree with you. That's called bullshit

[Alex`]

First, popularity does not give you a free ride to break the rules. Seconds, all the vets slowly disappearing? A couple people left, a couple people said they would leave, that's about it. The majority of people on this board are unfazed by what happened, and are willing to just keep on posting

The rule he broke wasn't even a major one, and sergiy should have known that banning someone has famous as Twelve would cause so much trouble, and so much anger towards the administration. And I think you are incorrect, the people aren't unfazed, they're just shutting their mouths like smart people, so they don't accidently end up saying the wrong thing about the administration either.

But that's the point. The admins AREN'T equal. You have to treat them with a certain level of respect, because they ARE the ones running the show

Yes, in these forums the administrators DO overpower everyone, and with that they DO deserve a decent amount of respect given to them, and I think thats what alot of them get, and yes, they ARE running the show; but is it REALLY necessary for them to always say "I'm the admin, you lose, I win."? No, of course not. Which is why I stated that they should try and act like equals.

Either you were serious, or you weren't. Don't ask us to seriously consider your ideas, but just kind of ignore them if we don't agree with you. That's called bullshit

Hi, and thank you for mis-reading my post. I said don't take it TOO seriously, as in, don't go rampaging about the post or go yelling about it. I was serious about the post, but I wasn't serious as in dissing the administrators, I would never do that.

And RG, I know you are just kidding, and I know you know I am not 12 . . . But just to clear things up for ya'all, I am not Twelve, and I believe Twelve will stay true to what he said that meat.eater posted, about how he will be gone from these forums forever, but you could still find him on the Netjak forums.

Again, don't take this post as me dissing you O_S.

[Bottle]

Judging by the reaction of everyone else, RG is still posting his mindless drivel. Tell you what, RG, if you can answer this question satisfactorily, I will leave. OK?

The question is:

Why should the ban have been permanent for his first offence when the forum rules clearly state otherwise?

Edit: and given that I've had to take him off my ignore list to see his response (if and when it comes), I'd just like to say that if that was 12 posting on Alex, he's destroying all our efforts; he'll be IP banned for posting during a ban without permission, as well he should be. Luckily, 12 is not quite as stupid as you, RG, and he wouldn't do that.

[bludhoundz]

Can we stop talking about this?

We get it.
Please.

Bottle, I know this really concerns you, but you don't need to keep the argument going. You've made your point enough times for Sergiy to unban 12 if he would do so because of any argument of yours.

I don't want to argue with you, in fact, I don't want anyone arguing because I feel partially responsible.

[R G]

Judging by the reaction of everyone else, RG is still posting his mindless drivel. Tell you what, RG, if you can answer this question satisfactorily, I will leave. OK?

The question is:

Why should the ban have been permanent for his first offence when the forum rules clearly state otherwise?

Edit: and given that I've had to take him off my ignore list to see his response (if and when it comes), I'd just like to say that if that was 12 posting on Alex, he's destroying all our efforts; he'll be IP banned for posting during a ban without permission, as well he should be. Luckily, 12 is not quite as stupid as you, RG, and he wouldn't do that.


It is my understanding that he was given a free ride on more than one occasion with no action at all. I guess you could say that it was the straw that broke the camels back...

I hope you stick around Bottle eventhough I did answer your question.

Well I know and you know that Alexander is Twelves name and if you read the post it does sound like his writing style...very articulate as always...Also note that it is only his first post....note too the Alex with a ( ' ) eludes to more to his name than just Alex...He also mentions his accomplishments as if he has been here for quite awhile...not bad for someone with 2 posts now...May not be Twelve but anyone with some common sense has to agree it sure is suspecious...;)

[Bottle]

Unfortunately, blud, it seems like the only way to grab Bills' attention is either a) cancel 10 accounts :rolleyes: or b) make a forum ruckus so large he has to deal with it.

I'm truely disappointed that he hasn't been online since his last post saying he'd be back in the afternoon, yesterday.

12 isn't even reading these forums at the moment, so he tells me.

And no, he had never been warned before, so I'm afraid that argument has no backup. Try again if you like.

[KBHoleN1]

Bot? Can we try and be civil. Both sides were wronged, and both sides did some wronging. That doesn't mean everyone should be punished. The only way to get 12 back is to convince Sergiy that people are willing to listen to reason. I'm sure you can agree 12 deserved a ban, but not a perma-ban. So cool down, ASK, nicely, for things to happen, as I have tried to do, and wait a day or two to see if anything happend. I'm sure you know that flaming the admins will get you no where, at least asking them might, and no one will have to cancel accounts, or organize boycotts, or any such drastic measures. Let's all take a deep breath, and cross our fingers.

[Office_Shredder]

The rule he broke wasn't even a major one

What? Trolling seems to be about as major as you can get without going into the realm of hacking the forums or something

and sergiy should have known that banning someone has famous as Twelve would cause so much trouble, and so much anger towards the administration.

Maybe if someone like twelve is so famous and popular that he can get away with baldly bad mouthing the administration, and was willing to use his fame as protection, it was time for him to be banned. You know as well as everyone else that if someone is willing to use their popularity as a shield, something needs to be done about them. And the admins did something about it.

And I think you are incorrect, the people aren't unfazed, they're just shutting their mouths like smart people, so they don't accidently end up saying the wrong thing about the administration either.

I'll start up a poll. Let's find out

Hi, and thank you for mis-reading my post. I said don't take it TOO seriously, as in, don't go rampaging about the post or go yelling about it. I was serious about the post, but I wasn't serious as in dissing the administrators, I would never do that.

When someone says something like: "I ask that no one take this post too seriously, or personal", it's usually because they're trying to deflect anger from people who disagree with them by making it light-hearted. You may not have meant that, but it's the general context

[Bottle]

KB, I have sent a perfectly civil PM to Bills asking to discuss the matter. However, in the meantime, I will continue to disprove those on the forum who are foolish enough to think that a permanent ban was justified.

[Poop Slinger]

Our Favorite Admin on Banning and admins power.. Some are nice reads, and pretty much explain the basis for how banning is deserved outside of simply just reading the ToS.. Also please pos rep DR.. ;)

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24563&postcount=45
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60863&postcount=42
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39384&postcount=75
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=124267&postcount=82

In other words.. TAO Policy is TAO policy. Just like any bouncer at any Club.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

The rule he broke wasn't even a major one, and sergiy should have known that banning someone has famous as Twelve would cause so much trouble, and so much anger towards the administration.

Qrong, trolling is a big offense, and how 'famous' he was matters not. He is not above the law, as a cop would not be above the law.



Yes, in these forums the administrators DO overpower everyone, and with that they DO deserve a decent amount of respect given to them, and I think thats what alot of them get, and yes, they ARE running the show; but is it REALLY necessary for them to always say "I'm the admin, you lose, I win."? No, of course not. Which is why I stated that they should try and act like equals.

When did bills or sergiy say "Im right, your wrong" Critisize them as you please, but no reasonable person would say that.





And RG, I know you are just kidding, and I know you know I am not 12 . . . But just to clear things up for ya'all, I am not Twelve, and I believe Twelve will stay true to what he said that meat.eater posted, about how he will be gone from these forums forever, but you could still find him on the Netjak forums.

Again, don't take this post as me dissing you O_S.

:rolleyes: Either feel what you say, or don't say it at all. Saying "dont be dissed by this" O_S is a reasonable person (and smart and awesome too :p ) he will not take a disagreement personally, so MEAN what you say, and know whoever is 'offended' by it is too stupid to know WHAT you are talking about anyway.

[Moose]

I dunno about anything anymore, but this time Sergiy has taken the "TOS" and "forum rules" and bent them a lil to much for his own personal satisfaction.

Or we could just petetion to have Sergiy removed from power with a list of names etc.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

OUR gold account :rolleyes: You do as you please, I will not cancel any account for a 'mistake' or especially a ban (temp tho, really, come on) I support. Dont tell people to cancel their accounts.

[Bottle]

Don't be stupid Moose. While we (semi-)have Bills' attention, let's not mess this up.

[Poop Slinger]

*beavis and buttheads*... Huh huh huh huh you said Semi.. Huh huh

[Pieface1337]

*beavis and buttheads*... Huh huh huh huh you said Semi.. Huh huh

Fudge! I love that show..

Its brilliantly stupid.

[TheSilverRider]

I dunno about anything anymore, but this time Sergiy has taken the "TOS" and "forum rules" and bent them a lil to much for his own personal satisfaction.

Or we could just petetion to have Sergiy removed from power with a list of names etc.

Sergiy (03/14/2005): Our newest administrator, and TAO's savior. Unlike our previous few admins, Sergiy seems quite involved with the actual community, and listens to its requests as much as possible.

My job is done here....

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Eh... Not saying I dont agree with that, but no ones OPINION should be a definition of someone.

Warcow and Glam wrote that book, I agree with nearly all of it, clearly, moose doesn't.

[Pieface1337]

My job is done here....

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/551/untitled6nn.jpg

:eek:

My job here is..not done..

[TheSilverRider]

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/551/untitled6nn.jpg

:eek:

My job here is..not done..

Is that a problem?:confused:

[Alex`]

O_S, Aro, I, and some others, are getting a little sick of this topic.

So, in the name of justice, I say to you all!:

STOP TALKING ABOUT THE BANNING OF TWELVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Twelve was banned for insulting the administration, nobody can do anything about that, and Twelve will never come back to these forums, no matter how many gold accounts you cancel, no matter how many threads/posts you make yelling at sergiy or stating that it was an unfair ban, and no matter how much you whine!

I think Twelve's ban was unjust as much as the next guy, but seriously, this has GOT TO STOP!

Look what its doing to the forumers, your all going insane.

STOP THE DRAMA!

[Spirit_Monger]

And, notice that it was written before all of this. When I believe he was much, much more respected than he may be now.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

This is a contested issue, and therefore will not stop until the majority of TAO reaches common ground... which it hasn't

[Geeky_Bastard]

O_S, Aro, I, and some others, are getting a little sick of this topic.

So, in the name of justice, I say to you all!:

STOP TALKING ABOUT THE BANNING OF TWELVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Twelve was banned for insulting the administration, nobody can do anything about that, and Twelve will never come back to these forums, no matter how many gold accounts you cancel, no matter how many threads/posts you make yelling at sergiy or stating that it was an unfair ban, and no matter how much you whine!

I think Twelve's ban was unjust as much as the next guy, but seriously, this has GOT TO STOP!

Look what its doing to the forumers, your all going insane.

STOP THE DRAMA!
Twelve didn't insult an admin, he was upset with a decision made by an admin.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Thats disputed.. my view was that if u read that pm, he didn't mean anything to help, or ask about a decision, or even an appeal... It was meant as an insult.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Thats disputed.. my view was that if u read that pm, he didn't mean anything to help, or ask about a decision, or even an appeal... It was meant as an insult.
He was disapointed at who Sergiy appointed... that's it.

[Bottle]

It's not important. Let's drop it for a few days at least.

[yall are ded]

yeah wolfy is going in for an operation pay a little respect to him in that thread.:(

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

May i inquire your change of heart?

[yall are ded]

I answered it for you AND this needs a break...seriously.

[Jeffery]

But it is MUCH more fun to beat the horse some more.

And, anyone threatening to cancel their account, or actually cancelling their account, over one person being banned is naive to think that Bills cares about their account.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Jeff, surge is right... Wolf might not come out-a-freekin-livee :(

*prays*

[Geeky_Bastard]

Jeff, surge is right... Wolf might not come out-a-freekin-livee :(

*prays*
Yes he will, he is too stubborn not to.

[Jeffery]

Jeff, surge is right... Wolf might not come out-a-freekin-livee :(

*prays*
And what does that have to do with what you quoted? I did not refer to Wolf here, because he has a thread where I responded to him.

Whether or not Wolf lives (which, as stated in the other thread, he is not allowed not to) has nothing to do with my reply about people canceling accounts.

Hell, Wolfman couldn;t cancel his account if he tried. The community here pays for it.

[yall are ded]

Yeah I know. When am I EVER right?:rolleyes::p

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I mean this topic should stop a while. Heck, even Bottle has given up on it, I'm just saying this topic should quiet down for at least a few days.

[Jeffery]

I mean this topic should stop a while. Heck, even Bottle has given up on it, I'm just saying this topic should quiet down for at least a few days.
You did not mention a single thing about this topic. You mentioned Wolfman.

And, this topic is not reliant on Wolfman or any other member. If you want to stop discussing it, feel free to stop. No one has forced you to keep posting about it.

[Bottle]

Jeff.

Give it a rest for a few days.

[Jeffery]

No thanks.

A few days makes no difference on my opinions.

[Bottle]

I'm not saying it should.

Just leave it be here, and if it's still not sorted out WHEN wolf gets back, we'll go from there.

[Jeffery]

Wolfman has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ON THE SITUATION.

I have all the respect for Wolfman in the world. But he is not why I am posting about what happened.

I extend to you the same invitation I gave everyone else. If YOU don;t want to talk about it anymore, then don;t.


Edit: BTW- Wolfman asked that "all be well" when he gets back. How is ignoring the situation going to make it better? In 4 days, Sergiy will still have made his choice, Hugh will still have resigned, Aro would still have been demodded, and Twelve would still have been permabanned.

[Bottle]

All right, Jeff.

[R G]

Wolfman has NOTHING TO DO WITH MY OPINION ON THE SITUATION.

I have all the respect for Wolfman in the world. But he is not why I am posting about what happened.

I extend to you the same invitation I gave everyone else. If YOU don;t want to talk about it anymore, then don;t.


Edit: BTW- Wolfman asked that "all be well" when he gets back. How is ignoring the situation going to make it better? In 4 days, Sergiy will still have made his choice, Hugh will still have resigned, Aro would still have been demodded, and Twelve would still have been permabanned.


And you will still be an asshole and have no heart....You would probally pick an argument at you own mothers funeral.

Jeffery,

Like Bottle said out of respect for Wolfy let's all give this a rest.

[Jeffery]

And you show no respect by manipulating his illness to your own gains.


Wolfman is ill. Yes. He has been for a while. And that illness is neither cause nor effect of the situation. Trying to make it so just demeans Wolf. While you're at it, why not say that continued discussion encourages the terrorists, and will lead to another 9/11. Or say that Osama is using it to plan more attacks in Iraq.
get real, and leave situations that are not related not related.

[Cuathon]

wolfy has been sick for way longer than this RG.
wolfy is ot a reason to stop discusion/debate/arguement.
this has nothing to do with wolfy, stop using his illness to further your goals.
you are the one who is wrong here. come up with an intelligent reason to stop the arguement. personally i realize that the whole thing will not change a single thing. but it still has nothing to do with wolfy.

[Bottle]

Bills has got back to me, and I'm hoping this situation might get resolved soonish.

But still, it's not important.

[007 GOD]

I have seen a lot of people talking about the threat of mass account cancellation as a method of being heard on TAO.

I am just letting you all know there are other more effective ways to get the point across. For example recently we added Gold drops and the majority of our forum users requested we change the drops back, and soon after we did.

It's a natural reaction to think anyone running a company which needs to make money to support its staff, costs and make profit is naturally evil by nature. I don't think this is the case with us or TAO.

In the last year we have added so many features to the site and game it's not even comparable to what we started with. We were able to do this by reading and acting on your feedback.

The support for the game has gone up, the interactive features on the site have increased and the game has continued to develop. We did all this without raising the cost or other money making schemes. We did add banners to the site but that was something we had taken out so really it was nothing new, and recently we switched a lot of our inventory to the less bothersome goggle ad types.

We are all on the same team in this, we take all constructive feedback into consideration when we plan changes to TAO, and expand TAO.

But it's hard to plan and expand features under threats, trolling and factless flaming.

The point of this post is not to convince people from creating mass account cancellation threads and rallies.

The point of this post is to let users that do leave feedback for us, that we are listening and their contributions are the ones that are helping us making TAO a better game.

Anyhow... my money counter jammed I gotta go fix it :P


Heres feedback, UNBAN 12!

[Alex`]

Twelve didn't insult an admin, he was upset with a decision made by an admin.

Maybe . . . but saying 'Realist is the real admin here' was a little un-called for.

[Jeffery]

Actually, I think what Twelve said DID insult Sergiy. It is the result not always the words that most often determine an insult. And the result is that Sergiy then insulted the entire communitty.

But just because Twelve bruised Sergiys ego is no reason for a permaban.

[Elven Knight]

After reading through this for a while, and looking more in to the incident, I feel I know a good amount of info, at least as much

as I will know.

I believe that sergiy was wrong to have posted that Private Message 12 had sent to him. He could have gone about other ways

to tell 12 he didn't approve of that.

Giving him a warning and stating the consequences perhaps?

I can also see how sergiy could have been offended as well. 12 did use some words which some could take as offensive in his PM to sergiy.

Giving 12 a permaban for this though was going too far. In the rules it clearly states that they will recieve a warning. To my

knowledge 12 recieved no warning whatsoever. It really isn't justified. So, I think sergiy should really consider reducing the ban

time.

All others besides 12 though, really do deserve a permaban.

~EK~

[Aro23r]

Who are all these people with single-digit posts talking about this? Where do you come from? Stop.

[Elven Knight]

I know I just joined today, but I have been browsing the forums for a while now.

I didn't plan on discussing it much at all, but I wanted to voice my opinion.;)

[Bottle]

I actually don't think any of the "veterans" who have left will be coming back with new names, if that's what you're suggesting, Aro.

[Moose]

There really is one simple answer to this TAO crisis, both 12 and Sergiy acted inapprioiately.

A 1-2 week ban would have been more then enough to settle this topic, and as for Sergiy, he's locked threads in the past that have had people complain about PM's and posting pm's alltogether.

Bills, you want to make TAO better again? Un-Ban 12 for a start, and make sure you give sergiy a warning for his behavior. Or at the very least put down your money and start caring about the people that fill your pocket with it.

[Pieface1337]

Who are all these people with single-digit posts talking about this? Where do you come from? Stop.

Thats what I was wondering..I mean, they say they joined today, and then

say they just finished reading 1-2 hours of the 12/sergiy problem..

..dun dun dun...

[Bottle]

There really is one simple answer to this TAO crisis, both 12 and Sergiy acted inapprioiately.

A 1-2 week ban would have been more then enough to settle this topic, and as for Sergiy, he's locked threads in the past that have had people complain about PM's and posting pm's alltogether.

Bills, you want to make TAO better again? Un-Ban 12 for a start, and make sure you give sergiy a warning for his behavior. Or at the very least put down your money and start caring about the people that fill your pocket with it.
Moose! Enough insulting the admins.

Let's see where it goes first. I'm starting to feel more hopeful that it may be sorted out amicably.

[Jeffery]

Or at the very least put down your money and start caring about the people that fill your pocket with it.


Bills doesn;t lift his money. The butler runs it through his money counter for him.

[Quattro]

Bills doesn;t lift his money. The butler runs it through his money counter for him.


Him too?

[R G]

And you show no respect by manipulating his illness to your own gains.


Wolfman is ill. Yes. He has been for a while. And that illness is neither cause nor effect of the situation. Trying to make it so just demeans Wolf. While you're at it, why not say that continued discussion encourages the terrorists, and will lead to another 9/11. Or say that Osama is using it to plan more attacks in Iraq.
get real, and leave situations that are not related not related.

Your assinine statements amaze me....absolutlely amaze me. Like a sewer you mind is just filled with shit. That ranks right up there with some of the other crap I have seen...IE -Everyone is leaving - TAO is loosing megga money by this

And what do you possibly think I have to gain? I am just voicing my opinion...albeit it is different than yours.

I know that Wolfy has been sick for sometime, but he is going through much more than in the past. His posts show obvious distress from the situation as recognized by many...and out of respect I (as well as others)just feel we should all give it a rest..

Post all you like I am sure you will.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

R G, while I semi-agree with that statment, it does NO good! State your opinion be my guest really, but it only provokes. If you hadn't noticed, before your post at 7:30 AM, the last post was at 9:15 the other night... It had been dieing, your only picking an argument when even BOTTLE says to stop. Im interested in this topic, and will continue to post my opinion. But if people deeply invloved (Bottle) are saying to stop for a lil, provoking in unecesary... and stupid.

[Pieface1337]

So bills, hows that snow out west?

..

[Swift]

Out west? Where does bills live? It's up to my knees on my way to school in Saskatchewan here, anyway. :(

[Moose]

Out west? Where does bills live? It's up to my knees on my way to school in Saskatchewan here, anyway. :(

Thankfully the part of Manitoba I live in only got a lil bit of that huge snowfall :p.

[R G]

I only ever remember like two snowfalls where there was a snowfall that was over 12 inches....

[Pieface1337]

oh dear.. Its snowing ALOT here..

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Wow, RG you... WeatherN00b :p I've had 4 20+ inch snowfalls in my lifetime... Enough yellow snow to trick all the japanese tourists :)

[Utamaro]

Wow, RG you... WeatherN00b :p I've had 4 20+ inch snowfalls in my lifetime... Enough yellow snow to trick all the japanese tourists :)


I've tricked a Kenyan... :cool:

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Psshh... They're African :p At least Japanese are the smarted culture :)

[Tactics†Assassi]

IQ has been the subject of hundreds, if not thousands of research studies. Scholars have studied the link between IQ and race, gender, socioeconomic status, even music. Discussions about the relationship between IQ and race and the heritability of IQ.. Sergiy your IQ is 0

[Tactics†Assassi]

Im sure that you will band me for this... all what i can say Is. I don't want to know the way i'm going to die, i would like to see how i lived.

[R G]

Wow, RG you... WeatherN00b :p I've had 4 20+ inch snowfalls in my lifetime... Enough yellow snow to trick all the japanese tourists :)


WOW That is alot of snow!

As you can probally tell I live in a more moderate climate. If it even is mentioned that it might snow people run to the grocery store and buy up all the milk and bread. People who never even drink milk and eat bread will have those item if it is going to snow....quite odd really.

[kegsworth]

Im sure that you will band me for this... all what i can say Is. I don't want to know the way i'm going to die, i would like to see how i lived.

I doubt you'll get banned, sergiy prolly won't read this.

I'll bet he lets you stay though, considering your suffering from threeredboxium.

:)

[Bottle]

Kegs, you're back?

Anyway, I'm still awaiting another reply from Bills. I'm starting to get angry again.

[kegsworth]

Yeah, I realized that abandoning the community was stupid, and that I can leave when everything's back to normal.

Also, one of my posts was deleted, leaving me at 899 instead of 900 . . . we can't have that.

;)

[R G]

Glad to see you have come to your senses Kegs!!!

[kegsworth]

Glad to see you have come to your senses Kegs!!!

And darn good looking senses they are!

:cool:

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

WOW That is alot of snow!

As you can probally tell I live in a more moderate climate. If it even is mentioned that it might snow people run to the grocery store and buy up all the milk and bread. People who never even drink milk and eat bread will have those item if it is going to snow....quite odd really.

Funny, cuz when we hear about a big snowfall, we dare eachother to trample naked on the snow.. them we lock eathother out :laugh: ... Actually, not too funny... Happened to me :(

[Hatchet Klown]

Lets get back to the topic here if anything.

I am still hoping to see the character limit raised/removed for moderators and clan chat.

Also I would like character map to be removed. A few alt functions can be allowed, but the asian symbols and other characters take too long to track down... >_<

[Jeffery]

Hell, the chat limit should be lengthened for chat ion general.

Someone spamming with 68 charcters is no sifferent than spamming with 200. Either gets you banned if a mod gets on.

But not being able to finish a sentence while talking to someone is annoying.

[Forest_Archer]

I'd like to see a function called "list."

You have to be a member of a clan. Type /list and a bulleted list of all the clan members will show up with their stats.

[Hatchet Klown]

Ive thought of that FA; but for other purposes... Yours a great idea...

Jeff: I agree there. Never much thought of it that way. Perhaps chat limit is enough to fill up 2 lines of text.

[Jeffery]

I'd like to see a function called "list."

You have to be a member of a clan. Type /list and a bulleted list of all the clan members will show up with their stats.
problem with that is when you have 50+ clan members, you would not be able to see the top of the list due to the cache not being long enough

[LosPollos]

Perhaps it could open a seperate window?

[Jeffery]

It would be nice if it worked like a weblink, and opened a window on the website that would then list all members. Having a php page call uo a list out of the database would not be that hard to have programmed.

Heck, forget the game, code a page on the website where you can put in a server, type in a clan name, and have it list all members.

[Forest_Archer]

Perhaps it could open a seperate window?

Good idea! I think we have a nice compromise here. It would also be nice to have this here instead of both Legends and FPS because it would add for of a difference to the servers.

Type in /list and you will have a new window pop up with the stats and condition (online, offline) of all the members in your clan. What do you think about that, Jeff & Hatchet?

[Spirit_Monger]

Good idea! I think we have a nice compromise here. It would also be nice to have this here instead of both Legends and FPS because it would add for of a difference to the servers.

Type in /list and you will have a new window pop up with the stats and condition (online, offline) of all the members in your clan. What do you think about that, Jeff & Hatchet?

I think this is a great idea as well. Seems to be thought out fairly well.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

I love that idea! This thread is now serving its original purpose!

And also, how about ranks next to clan and stats.

Example:

HatchetKlown17's Rating: 1111 Rank:5th <Arkadian Knights> Rank: 2nd

Thoughts?

[Jeffery]

What would the rank be based on? The top 100?
TAO doesn;t do clan rankings, and barely does top players. Trying to make it all into one is getting a bit heavy handed.

Just showing the information already stored in the member database means no programming on that end. Trying to merge it and do calculations is a lot more work.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

The top 100, yeah

Couldn't they just take the clan rankings from Netjak.com, how hard would that be? I dont know, im not a computer person.

[Jeffery]

The idea here is to have something that is completely automated. Once built, it would not have to be touched again.
To incorporate top 100 and clan rankigns would require daily or weekly action by someone.

[Hatchet Klown]

Jeffery, not really. The AK site automatically runs the clan rankings. We just login to it, and click "update ____ server"...

It scans the numbers and names of the clans, compares them and tallies them up.

EDIT: Eatmine scripted that for us... quite a genious.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Eatmine is awesome :cool:

[Jeffery]

Jeffery, not really. The AK site automatically runs the clan rankings. We just login to it, and click "update ____ server"...

It scans the numbers and names of the clans, compares them and tallies them up.

EDIT: Eatmine scripted that for us... quite a genious.
Yes, but since they update the stats manually on the site now, it is not automated.

[Hatchet Klown]

True Jeff, but they are always going to update the stats (at least in the short term)... If he was willing to give in his script to sergiy, they could have clan rankings done within 1 minute (quite literally).

[Jeffery]

Yes, but that would not place it into the database for player info. So a script to check clan lists would have to start checking multiple points, making it an easier script to crash.

[EatMine]

Thx for the compliments, but Jeffery is right ...

1) The script we use on the AK site is useless, because for the game it would have to be in Flash Action (or whatever that language is called)

2) Live Clan rankings in the game would use WAY too much server ressources. It would totally slow down everything, additionally if everybody checks it after every game (:rolleyes: ) the traffic - which TAO has to pay - would rise too much

3) Even without clan calculations (only showing player stats), the additional database queries would stress the server too much, i guess.

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Not after every game, they update it weekly, like Netjak.Com

[Jeffery]

EatMine, that is why we discussed making it a website based system only. It wou;d then be entirely a php script, and no flash knowledge needed. But I was talking about just querying the memebr database, and not incorporating ranking or clan ranks.

[EatMine]

Sorry, my bad.
Duh, first time that i was too lazy to read more than the last page and immediately i get punished :)

i didn't see that:
code a page on the website where you can put in a server, type in a clan name, and have it list all membersYou mean real time (not updated once a week) and all players (not just the top100), right?
That would be great, yeah. And it really is not hard to do ...
You could even include online/offline-status, like Forest_Archer said, if that information is included in the database.

In regards to including clan rankings:
i think it depends what you guys mean.
If you mean clan rankings based on the top100 players (as introduced by Thargor), it is not hard to do. (For example, the clan rankings on the AK site are generated on the fly when someone requests them for a given date. And the calculation is pretty fast.)
But if you mean clan rankings based on ALL players of a server, that is probably too much to calculate in real-time. (But now, that i think of it: it would be stupid to base clan rankings on all players since that would encourage cheater clans to make a lot of new grey accounts to increase their member base and thus boost)

So yeah, great (and realizable) idea!

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

SERVER clan rankings... duh :p

[Hatchet Klown]

Eat, we already covered the AK way of clan rankings. But the fact is it will take a significant ammount of extra work that admins would rather put elsewhere.

Clan ranks arent high up on their list.

[Bottle]

Bills' last activity: 3 days ago

Last PM I sent: 5 days ago

Wolfy's status: back

So, pretty much all the prerequisites for me getting pissed off again are met.

[Jeffery]

Bots, you should only count Business days when looking for Bills.

Why would he come on during the weekend?

[Bottle]

The bigger point was that I sent him a PM 2 days before his last activity.

[Wolfman]

nothing new from the 12 case huh?

nothing new from Aro's case huh?

nothing new from Hugh´s case huh?

maybe they should go for a "operation" like mine to find the light.

gee.... one sec.... it hurts me when i cough.

go get them bot!

wolfy

[kegsworth]

The bigger point was that I sent him a PM 2 days before his last activity.

Bots, send me a copy of that pm and I will send it to sergiy as well, except a 'lil different. Maybe he'll get the point.

:)

[Bottle]

Won't work, the PM is specifically directed to Bills and NOT to sergiy.

[kegsworth]

Won't work, the PM is specifically directed to Bills and NOT to sergiy.

That's what I meant, same difference.

:)

[Jeffery]

So, whats the "Days with absolutely no response because everyone dropped it just like Bills always wanted" count at now?

I mean, wasn;t it worth it to just let them sweep it under the rug for a few days, and get some practice acting like nothing ever happened?

[kegsworth]

If Bottle would send me that PM, I'd be spamming his box right now.

Seems kind stupid to be sending him PM's that read: "Read Bottle's PM and stop stalling!", doesn't it?

[Jeffery]

And why would he read a PM from bottle through you and respond, and not just respond to Bottles PM directly? Do you know what a tool you sound like right now?
Ooo ooo, ima teachers pet, hell listen to me!!"

[kegsworth]

And why would he read a PM from bottle through you and respond, and not just respond to Bottles PM directly? Do you know what a tool you sound like right now?
Ooo ooo, ima teachers pet, hell listen to me!!"

No, I'm saying if he get's mutiple PM's with the same message, he might just answer. Not trying to be a teachers pet.

:dry:

[R G]

No, I'm saying if he get's mutiple PM's with the same message, he might just answer. Not trying to be a teachers pet.

:dry:


Don't hold your breath...case is closed.

[Bottle]

I'm still waiting and seeing. Bills has given me a reply which I don't have complete confidence in, but like I said, I'll wait and see before judging.

[kegsworth]

I'm still waiting and seeing. Bills has given me a reply which I don't have complete confidence in, but like I said, I'll wait and see before judging.

At least he replied, that's gotta count for something. :)

We'll just keep waiting . . .

[ReTodd]

If you try to read the reason why Twelve was banned, you will see this: "trolling and administration offence". I could ban him right after receiving that PM.

Why was 12 banned when Sergiy was the one who posted the Private Message? If you read the trolling rules you will see that Sergiy broke them, not 12. Shouldn't the rules be changed after the fact to remedy this?

Its not like the banning of 12 matters. 12 will remained banned on fps until Sergiy leaves. What is important is how paying customers are treated by the employees of the business they support. Isn't the customer always right? I know it is true in this case.

[Hatchet Klown]

I'm still waiting and seeing. Bills has given me a reply which I don't have complete confidence in, but like I said, I'll wait and see before judging.

Kegs has a point. At least by replying you know he cares enough to give it consideration.

[ReTodd]

At least he replied, that's gotta count for something. :)

We'll just keep waiting . . .
We are like little Energizer bunnies here at TAO. We keep waiting and waiting and waiting...

Kegs has a point. At least by replying you know he cares enough to give it consideration.

The question is, what is it that Bills cares about? If you look at it in terms of a business running under capitalistic ideals, he cares about money.

[R G]

ReTodd,

Even if Twelve were unbanned do you really think he would come back? If I were him I wouldn't...considering that what would be the point of unbanning him?

[ReTodd]

ReTodd,

Even if Twelve were unbanned do you really think he would come back? If I were him I wouldn't...considering that what would be the point of unbanning him?
I don't have to guess what would happen if Sergiy were no longer an administrator and 12 were unbanned. I know the answer to that question.

[Hatchet Klown]

RG has a legitimate point. 12 wasnt banned from the game, just the forums. His leaving was about in his eyes unjust punishment. Therefore he wont come back just because he is unbanned. He feels his ban was unwarranted in the first place.