The {filter} Filter

[Rescorlian]

Alright I wanted to be the first to support the filter as I was one of the ones to wanted a solution. BUT THAT IS NOT IT! The filter does not do the required thing it just pisses of members, and the imporatnt ones like the ones that pay. So as a paying member I say this filter has to go. the filter was supposed to be a solution to troll and cyberers. But it accomplishes niether. If they're gonna be rude they're gonna be rude. All this does is cost aggravation and losses.


The filter is {filter}{filter}! I ask that the admins remove it as enough members have shown nothing but sidain for it. It can be fooled and even kicks out at words that have nothing to do with being rude. IT SUCKS THE BIGGEST ONE THERE IS!!! I can't say enough about it to show my rage. I know I'm not the only one. Far from the only one. I went over o legends and enjoyed many games as I didn't have to worry about it. I have taken to just not talking while in battle as so not to risk it.

I can not say enough without being banned from this site for abuse, swearing, spamming and all other things.

If you feel the same way leave a post this IS a flame the filter thread, if you choose not to just post your support, if you do like the filter don't post!

[BoBo The Fool]

as far as swear filters go, this is the worst one i've seen. Not only does it contain words that have no offensive meaning, but it is easily and constantly twarted by any number of ways (eg: puttign a space in the middle of a word). The punishment of getting booted is far too extreme, expecially if you're trying to keep a good record. Other filters would replace the offensive text with euphanisms or $%#@ symbols, or perhaps block the text.

My record is 156-10.... of those 10 loses, 8 were from being kicked by the filter. Of those 8 that i got kicked for, at least 2 were from unoffensive text




As of right now, the filter is the only thing making me (a paying member) consider to unsubscribe from the game

[Joei]

this should be moved to BUG support!

[Hashish_Scout]

Well, its a rant about inferior software, not a bug point. Anyway, I fully agree with the guy. I've gotten seven losses for saying "chore" or "shore" alone. Not to mention calling someone a doughnut nazi. It spams for inane things and leaves damn and butt. Just replace the words with "blah" "or "shazbot" lke some sites do, or turn it into symbols like he suggested. The kicks are hurting too many people's records, take it off.

[Joei]

same difference..

[MasterGolem]

yea i was testing my friends formation and he blocked everything so i said this is gay (friendlyly) and got disconnected

[Ri'Orius]

Yes, the filter isn't perfect. Does that mean it needs to be removed entirely? No. That means it needs to be tweaked, not discarded.

To anyone who thinks the penalty is too harsh:

Don't swear. It's not that hard to refrain from swearing (and if it is, you definitely need the help to kick the habit). If it's just changed to symbols, that makes it weak, and people will ignore it. It needs to be strong, it needs to have bite. If you have an idea that still has bite, maybe it could be used instead. But symbols have no bite.

To anyone who's upset about records:

News flash: records were already worthless before this. Noob kills, free kill givers, heck even connection hiccups have already made the current ranking system wildly innacurate. Yes, this makes them more innaccurate, but taking this out won't fix the problem. If you're problem's with the rankings, fix the record system.

I agree that it's imperfect. But I think you're being too hasty in asking for it to be entirely removed instead of tweaked until perfect.

[peterinsanoo]

i agree. i hate the filter. there are much easier ways to go about it. i say change sh*t to shizzle or something fun like that.

[S_K_O_F]

The filter has been here for what...3 weeks? And people are still whining heavily about it...I think the point has been made already that it is against the terms of service to talk that way anyway.

[BoBo The Fool]

Wtf? why should a filter have 'bite'? They aren't my mom, they're not trying to teach me to speak properly. I am a paying customer, not a child that needs to be diciplined. They're trying to protect the easily-offended, and as i said before, this filter isn't doign it anyway. A filter that blocks or replaces text will protect the easily-offended just as well, and it wont piss off offending users.

The reason why it would be better if the filter were removed completely is that it is supposedly easier and quicker to do. If you can tweak it to reslove all of our problems with it, then by all means do it. But until then, remove it so it will stop pissing off so many people.

And recrods DO matter. Yes, like any statistic there are impurities, but how else are you going to tell how good a player is without playing him? I'd say having 80% of my loses being to the filter distorts my image. And yes, image matters (anyone that says that they don't care what other people think of them are kidding themselves).

and skof, are we supposed to wait a long time before we start complaining? First of all, i'd say three weeks is a LONG time for a game in this kind of development. Second of all, what would you expect to happen if there was a change that everyone hated? Of course we're gonna whine.

and yes, it is in the terms of service, so it is completely within their rights to put in this filter. Basically, we can't pull any "freedom of speech" legal b.s. on them. That's not what we're doing, we're asking them to get rid of it; we're not trying to sue them.

[Hashish_Scout]

Well, it does sound a little "freedom of speech!"-ish in your post.

Another point is this: a filter with bite shouldn't bite for weird words like chore, shore, and hitler. If you say "sit" to a dog, and it bites your hand off and you have to run off screaming draining like a downspout, your parents don't pat the dog (unless they're really evil), they put it down.

[Cuathon]

the filter is awful i dont talk anyway so i dont care but it could just block a sentence with a bad word and the pass thing is a problem and besides unless your under 9 you have heard all these words at school and probably say them all the time

[Siquo]

I was personally amazed to see that the word 'sex' is actually offensive.

I wonder how american people reproduce at all?

[drakonfire]

havent we had this duscussion before? shove the attitude guys all its gonna do is make it worse, DWarrier complained like nobodies business about this and where is he? *looks around* oh yeah, he had his gold account deleted!


and has u already pointed out, the TOS means they can DO THIS if they want... i frequent another site, elfwood by name, and they have TOS that sometimes hack ppl off, one of the FAQs though is extremely amusing and frankly it applies well here

Q.
"I have a bunch of friends on this site and if you dont give me what I want we are all leaving and taking our art and stories with us!"
A.
Thats nice, no one is stopping you from leaving.

so lets face facts, the Admins have already taken a stand against swearing, they will NOT remove the filter, it will continue to be tweaked, but it will not be discarded, get over it already!


TAO Admins, i salute u

[S_K_O_F]

The way some of you are acting with this is retarded. "I am a paying customer and I shouldnt have to be governed by these people, they aren't my parents."

well think about this...if you go into mcdonalds and start cussing and using this language in there, would you not be asked to leave? As a matter of fact you would be forced to leave. And possibly arrested for disturbing the peace if it was bad enough.

quit complaining, Bills has already said they would rather just delete an account for violating rules...be glad you can log back in after cussing.

[Logic]

The filter could be just stopping swearing, but at the moment it is punishing people for it.

Is that what you want Admins; to punish people or just to stop swearing? Because right now you are simply punishing, and if your real purpose is to just stop swears than i beg of you to change something.

[BoBo The Fool]

yeah, if you go to mcdonalds and start swearing at everyone out loud you'd be asked to leave. If you're talking to your buddies (ie. clanmates) where nobody else can here you (ie. clan chat) they wont ask you to leave. Especially if you're talking about your chores. If youget a bit loud, they may ask you to watch your langauge. After repeated offences they might ask you to leave. This filter gives no warning and is unforgiving to who you are talking to. The filter should stop spammers that are publicly and loudly offending people, this would be analgous to your mcdonalds example.

Why are we complaining? well, there's several ways to put this: We've purchased a product that we're unhappy with. Things don't get better if the people in power don't understand how their clients feel about their product. This isn't copmlaining for the sake of whining, we're asking them to do something about the filter, which makes it constructive criticism. The squeaky wheel gets the grease

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by Logic
The filter could be just stopping swearing, but at the moment it is punishing people for it.

Is that what you want Admins; to punish people or just to stop swearing? Because right now you are simply punishing, and if your real purpose is to just stop swears than i beg of you to change something.


*scratches head* i'm lost, how does that make sense? they r trying to get ppl to stop swearing, when the ppl do swear, there is a punishment, which gives them incentive to stop, this is the nature of disciplinary action, u do something against the rules it has a consequence, if ur smart u'll learn not to go against the rules like that again, otherwise... well as SKOF said, at least ur allowed to sign back in immediatly, wouldnt it be really bad if they banned u for 15 min everytime u said something that needed to be filtered? everyone just stop complaining, oh and heres a bright idea, STOP SWEARING and this shouldnt be much of a problem




edit--

and if u want to talk with ur clanmates without interuption/filtering, go get on AIM, MSN, Yahoo! or ICQ... a free download of less than 10 mg (in the case of AIM express NO download required) and ur off and running filter free, plus no annoying grey messages to space out ur clan messages... simple solution, good grief

[John the Don]

I don't care what anyone says, this filter is awful. And if you can't see that, then I'm sorry for you. But, I've said enough bad things about the filter, and have been trying to reign myself in.

My rants: http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2046&highlight=Naughty

[BoBo The Fool]

also stop talking about your chores, your documents, the history of WWII, oh hell, lets just remove the chat all together.

And for the last time, they really shouldn't be trying to change me as a person. Why would they want to do such a thing? I very much understand how they would want to protect others from being offended. BLOCK OR REPLACE THE TEXT. This stops swear just as easily, without punishing us.

[Rescorlian]

Come on, the original purpose of the filter was not to stop swearing. It was to stop the trolls and cyberers, all those who don't get this raise they're hand (drakonfire).

And damn rights I'm allowed to complain, bitch, whine, moan and anything else I choose to do as long as I stay in the rules. And I have so far. And who are you people to tell me I'm not allowed to complain about a product I have purchased?! Any other bussiness (this is Not a threat or anything more than what it says) I would talk to as high on the ladder as I need until the problem was resolved and if that didn't do it I could resolve to lawfull action. Now I have no want to threaten or insult the admin as I did that alreayd once and am, greatfull I got away with it. And unfortunatly then it resulted in the filter.

And bobo nailed it dead on with anywhere else they politely ask you to watch your language sevral times before they take any action. Once again I will say that this filter does not accomplish what it was originally designed for and has just turned into a cyber nanny that tries to tell me how to talk.

Seeing as I feel offensive today here's a little link for the people that disagree with the thread. It's dedicated to you. :D:D:D:D

http://www.cartoons-cartoon.com/pictures/i_see_dumb_people.jpg

[drakonfire]

Originally posted by Rescorlian
Come on, the original purpose of the filter was not to stop swearing. It was to stop the trolls and cyberers, all those who don't get this raise they're hand (drakonfire).


Swear Filter Has Been Implemented.

Tactics Arena Online caters to gamers of all ages by providing a stable and comfortable enviorment. Due to the increase in complaints from abusive users we have implemented a Swear Filter on all 3 gaming servers. This means any members who use vulgar words or words containing vulgarity will be kicked off the server immediately; you will be kicked off during a game or live-chat. So anyone who has a problem with using proper language, consider yourself warned!



u wanna try that again rescorlian?


and when did i tell u that u couldnt complain? all i told u to do was stop because it WONT GET U ANYWHERE, this is not a democracy this is not even a republic, its a dictatorship, where the TAO admins r the dictators and we r the subjects... u dont like it? well thats just to bad because that my gold member friend, is tough


"also stop talking about your chores, your documents, the history of WWII, oh hell, lets just remove the chat all together."


now why would they do an idiotic thing like that? i had a nice conversation with some gurl on GL the other day, we were talking about LOTR almost the whole time, it was nice, good fight too, and the nice conversation we kept up only made the experience that much more enjoyable, and there wasnt even one swear word insinuated there, about the worst thing that was said was "i dont like uber witches!" (her witch blocked my scout :P) u can still have a conversaion in chat, heck, talk about the weather for all i care, but the filter does not limit ur options all that greatly

[Rescorlian]

I was not insinuating you (drokonfire) told me not to complain, but rather skof. And yea this is a dictatorship, with one key differance. People pay to play so thus we have a say in what goes on. Me and many other members already proved this(unforunetly).

"that my gold member friend, is tough"

Yes it is, but change can be affected (see paragraph 1) by the members. I was one of the first to back up the filter in one of the original threads against this as I thought it would be good. But it is not. It still does not accomplish the goals swearing will not result in parentrs having a problem with the site. (refer to gaaaaaaaaaaaaah! thread started by renegade) In there you will find posts by logics father saying just as I have said.

In total the filter has been disproved, dissed, flamed and reasonly spoken against enough to warrant it's removal. If this thread continues far enough I will even have my father leave a post.

I have much more to say, but will eait for reply as I have said enough for one post already.

Once again I am not threating anyone or being rude.

[drakonfire]

uhhh... ur parents may not have much of a problem with it but mine sure do, as do the vast majority of my friends, actaully i kno a couple of 18 year old twins whos mom makes them mute movies whenever there is a swear... u want me to get them on here and have them post their 2 cents on the matter? everyones opinion is different, we r almost split 50/50 over wether this filter is a good thing or a bad thing, but the admins r the ones who really matter and they say its a good thing, it'll be tweaked, changed, morphed, have more and more iterations as it goes on and its life-span increases, but i somehow doubt a constant group of about 20 players moaning about once a week about it will get it removed

[Rescorlian]

Yeah, 50/50 count the posts and say that again. Plus if I could have every member vote you would find yourself in the miority. I feel sorry for those people you metioned. They will never have true indapendance. And will get chewed up and spit out if life ever truly get's it's hands on them. I know a pair of sisters simliar and they are just totally to be pitied. They have never been to a party and never got to go to school. They are hidden away from the world, like ostriches with they're head in the ground.

They're 2 cents, coming from people who have been so crippled I would say is more like 1 cent. And yes the admin are the ones that really matter. Just like the boss of the company. But what is the saying of all companies? "The customer is always right".

And as the filter grows it will become more and more cumbersome, and besides, wouldn't people like that not be allowed to play this. The whol violance thing?

Anyways my hand is getting sore from slapping you around, i will respond to any of your reply's later.

[drakonfire]

actually heres the thing, one of those 18 year olds owns Halo (his mom didnt want him to, but hes 18 now so her say is slightly diminished) secondly they attend one of the worst high skools in my state, they have had kids go at it on a table in the middle of lunch (go at it = they started to have sex) but just because they r exposed to that kinda crap most every day doesnt mean that their mom is okay exposing them to it everywhere, nor r they, they can handle cussing, doesnt mean they like it, when ppl swear around them they lose a couple of nothces worth of respect

they r not crippled, that i can promise u with absolute certainty

[thrdflrmshr]

I just have something to bring to everyone's attention... if the filter was implemented to stop objectionable content and to provide a "stable and comfortable enviorment" (yes, that's how it's spelled on the home page of tacticsarenaonline.com) to "gamers of all ages," then why is there a picture of both Ali Landry and Rebecca Romjin-Stamos in a scanty bikini and Charlize Theron smoking in nightclothes and Sofia Vergara TOPLESS (adds for interviews with them at ugo.com) at the bottom of some of the forum pages? Who is to say that is not as objectionable as swearing? I tried so hard to stay out of this again... The filter doesn't bother me as much, but the principle is wrong. Everyone keeps saying it will be tweaked and improved, yet it no improvements have been made... "it'll be tweaked, changed, morphed, have more and more iterations as it goes on and its life-span increases" (direct quote from drakonfire.) I ask you, drakonfire, where are the tweaks, changes, morphs, and different iterations of the filter? And the life span? As Bobo The Fool said, three weeks is a long time for a game of this kind to be updated. Not trying to instigate, merely pointing out some facts.

[note: i have edited this three times, and each time i return, ANOTHER picture of a scantily clad woman appears at the bottom of the page. I'll stop editing now, but that just furthers my point.]

[drakonfire]

go into a server and type out assassin, when the filter first came out, u would been booted for that, thats a tweak my friend, and its only been around 3 weeks, give it time


and yeah the banners need to go, but i'm not exactly sure how much control over that the admins have *shrugs* but i do agree that there is something wrong there

i ask u to point me to another mostly free game that updates as often as TAO, their updates come at an insanely fast pace to my thinking, i'm used to playing a game for a few months, getting an update, getting used to it for a while, then a few more months and another update, repeat, not "NEW UNIT" and before i get done saying "kewl" another one is announced! frankly i think this games update pace rocks

[thrdflrmshr]

Too right that words like assassin, pass, and assume should not be filtered out. Let me rephrase that: When has the filter had a tweak that improved its benefit to the users by making it more tolerable and more effective in stopping the actions it was impletmented to stop in the first place?

[S_K_O_F]

I dont ask for you all to quit whining for your own sake. I ask that you quit whining for all of us in here that don't really care to hear it. Honestly this topic and the legends server topics are the two most annoying on this entire board. If you have complaints about the filter, send them to bills and Divine. I am sure I am not the only person tired of seeing the same threads comin up over and over again in the general chat. That is why I said quit whining. And I believe Bills and divineRight have both made it quite clear that if you dont like something about their site you have the freedom to leave. They are working for the greater good I am quite sure, but I doubt the filter is going anywhere. Since the filter was implemented I have noticed that the lobby area is a much more pleasant place.

I am not really that happy about the filter...I don't like being booted for saying something that isn't offensive
but if I was an Admin at this site I wouldn't even bother with your complaints because of the tone of your words. The filter sucks...I think everyone knows that by now. either provide some constructive criticism or shut the hell up...because all you are doing is flaming.

[Hashish_Scout]

I'd just like to add something: it doesn't stop those people you pro-filter people speak of. They'll just say "Haha you @55 mutherfocker b17ch wh0r3!" which is if possible even more annoying. It's impossible to completely restrict swearing without removing the chat altogether. If people really want to swear they will find a way, using cryptography, foriegn languages, and roman characters if neccessary. Meanwhile, inncocent and paying members are getting booted for saying "my blockings shit" "or i have to go do chores after this". Change it to an innocent word or random symbols, that's probably the best way to do what you ask while giving freedom to the regular people. It won't be very effective, but not much less than your booting one.

One suggestion: boot people who talk in all caps. its hard to do it by accident, and the really annoying ones tend to do that. Also, maybe boot for repeating words in a short period of time, looking something like this:

Dumb Person: go.
Dumb Person: go.
Dumb Person: go.
Dumb Person: go.
Dumb Person: go.
Dumb Person: go.

Which gets annoying. But swearing? impossible to stop.

[thrdflrmshr]

the true solution of this needs to come soon. how about the /ignore [name] function that was suggested in some other thread a while ago?

S_K_O_F - yeah the whining gets annoying, but there are a lot of people who are presenting logical arguments and not whining for whining's sake. if the admins really are working for the greater good, then they will eventually listen to the member majority on issue. i totally agree with the fact that they need some respect and time for all the issues they need to deal with, but right now, the filter and spammers are pretty pertinent and should be high on that list of issues.

[Rescorlian]

First off I'd like to say to drakonfire, you have been proved wrong as many ways as possible and are now contradicting yourself. They go to a bad school yet they are not allowed to listen to swears. The kid is allowed to play halo but still isn't allowed. If he's 18 and his mom has no say, then how can she mute the profanity? That makes no sense. And you responded to none of my points. You just keep making up new arguments as you cannot defend them as I knock em down. Instead you resolve to "yeah well..". If you can't make reasonable arguments, get out of the ring with me.

And now to skof, if you don't wanna hear about it don't read the thread. You said it yourself if you don't like it leave in this case don't read it. And I will say again I have every right aswell as others do. You say we're flaming HA! Your flaming this thread and you excpect me to take what your saying like it's worth a grain of salt? Say it again when you have a leg to stand on.

And to all that are supporting this, I appreciate it. Specifically to thirdfloormosher and hashish scout. Some damn good points.

[Joei]

To say the truth Rescorlian, You never really made a point. all you came here to do was shoot down other people's comments.

Lets hear your views and give someoen else a turn.

[Rescorlian]

*looks at joei, laughs. I started the thread you idiot. I've been making point left right and center. Once again say it to me when you have a leg to stand on.

I will take one thing from skof, and say to you, stupid should hurt.
:D:D:D HAHAHAH!! idiot

[Hashish_Scout]

Well, I'd prefer you called him "mistaken", really :D. Joei doesn't seem all that bad in his other posts, he just didn't catch who started it. Insulting the opposition doesn't usually give the judge a good opinion of you. Just a warning, Resc.

[Joei]

Sorry about that, but still. there's doesn't seem to be one good thing from page 2-3 that came form you.

I mean if yo're goign to shoot someone down at the very least comment on how your's is better.

Belittling does work but you also need to make yourself seem better then the others.

[Hashish_Scout]

Well, Resc's been a little grouchy of late, or so he says in one of his other posts. You can cut the devil some slack.

....not much, though :D

[Rescorlian]

Your right hashish, I owe you an apology joei, I'm sory, I jumped the gun big time on that one. As for me shooting them down, well what can I say. I have it done to me all the time so it has become a bit of a kneejerk reaction. I have reposted on this subject in the other thread.

[abyaly]

the summary of every argument on the subject of the filter:
(since none of them will change anything, the supporting reasoning doesnt matter)

group A: filter bad
rescorlian
joei

group B: filter good
blank currently

group C: filter could be better like this: etc etc etc
BoBo The Fool
Hashish_Scout

group D: shut up, group C. you're wrong and you suck and
blahdy etcetera
Ri'Orius

group E: filter bad, but nothing you say will change it, so shut your pie hole
abyaly
S_K_O_F
drakonfire
bills

seriously, if you think the filter is so bad that you cant play TAO with it, then leave. a dislike of the filter to a lesser degree wont move bills to expend any effort toward another solution. the filter was a quick fix for a problem that shouldnt have been there. think of the filter as duct tape: it doesnt look pretty, but it gets the job done.

PS - if i put you in the wrong group, you want to be put in a group, or you want to create a new group, just post. there's no need for an argument. noone will read it. this is a much simpler way for ppl to see where you stand

[Joei]

... wow man.. you must have had a lot of time on your hands.. lol

Thanks for the update

[Rogue_Wolf]

Wow. This thread got off topic fast. Oh well. I'm not a big fan of the swear filter. It needs a lot of tweaks, and I've heard admins are working on the problem as we speak. I do know that being booted is an okay solution for what the admins want. They want profanity to be stopped. If you type " shit " and it gets turned into ****, players will just shrug it off. If players type " fuck " and get kicked off, it will hurt your record, and that is most players weaknesses. Being kicked off of forums, and deletetion of DWarrior's account was harsh, but could just get his account back later, and play as a grey for a week. Hurting player's records sends them the message to not cuss. But getting kicked out for saying chores and other non-cusses like that isn't. I say just watch what you say until the filter is fixed. I just hope they get it right soon.

-Rogue_Wolf

[Bills]

We just did a major adjustment to it, it should be working fine now.

[BoBo The Fool]

Really, the thing that is getting on my nerves the most about this is the people who are telling me to stop complaining, for whatever reason. Not only am i a paying customer who is making suggestions, but peaceful public protest is really the most mature way to fight against something you don't like. Sure, you can call all protesters complainers and whiners, but then you have to ask yourself: how would you go about making change?

I suppose that mean you go by the motto that if you don't like it, leave it. Well, what if you look at things and say they could be better? does that mean leave it? We all know the world could be better, but we all don't commit suicide.




But back to the topic, Bills, could you be a bit more specific on the modifications? or tell us where we can find out? So far all i've found out is that chores is allowed now

[DivineRight]

TAO is an online tactics game, our servers support the game, we are not chat rooms and we have never pretended to be.

There was mention about the temporary banning of DWarrior, if you do not know the whole story Rogue_Wolf, please do not bring it up. We have gone on to ban other Gold members, permanently, after the ordeal with Dwarrior so let it be known that we are not afraid to do this. Quite honestly, five dollars is not worth being ridiculed and disrespected by some smart-ass kid just trying to get a rise out of us, no amount of money is worth that to Bills or me.

BoBo The Fool, Tactics Arena Online is a privately owned and a privately run company and as Administrators, we reserve the right to run it how we see fit. Please realize this, although we do value our Gold Account customers we have a set of rules in place. When you and everyone else signed up for this, you agreed to play by a set of rules, OUR RULES. No it is not our job to teach you what proper conduct is, but make no mistake, it is YOUR responsibility to learn what the acceptable rules of conduct are here. Other people are talking about other ways to be vulgar, using ASCII symbols in place of letters and then there are those who are arguing about freedom of speech. None of this is teaching anyone about what the proper rules of conduct are here.

I know for a fact that most of the people who are complaining about specific words, for the most part, didn't use them in their every day conversations on TAO. Instead, they waste their time, testing for words, looking to by pass or abuse the system. These people insult my intelligence and then turn around and actually think that I will pity them. Our filter is not perfect and we are continuously tweaking the filter. What I don't understand is that I had no part in building or implementing the filter, yet I go on to each server and basically chat. So in all fairness, everything I have learned and know about the filter is the same as the rest of the TAO community; I have never once been kicked off by the filter though. Whats more is that I've even talked smack during games to people and I have never been kicked off yet!
Use this analogy to better help understand where we are coming from:
Why go out and prove that a 3-legged mouse actually exists when the cure for cancer is still at large?


I still can't get over how you people are so obsessed with the swear filter and you would rather have us waste time on something so minor instead of bringing more and exciting new things to Tactics Arena Online.

[Rogue_Wolf]

We all agree that the filter is good. We all don't blame the TAO staff. What I posted was to support the filter. I was not the one to bring up DWarrior. I agree. I do not know the whole story( just DWarrior's side). I meant nothing bad by my post, and I like the filter. Me and BoBo have a great solution to this problem. Go to:

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=24562#post24562

I think this will solve the problem about disconnects:D Public humiliation is the key.

-Rogue_Wolf

[Hashish_Scout]

Well, I must say I like the update, any words I might say in-game are now unbanned. It's good for me, but I'm just wondering: doesn't it make it more liable to stupid people t unban some of these words?

[jaydude6]

well, although i know what side i want to argue on, i have decided from the start that i'm going to try to be a mediator.
Look, I understand how both sides feel. Personally i don't like swearing either, and i understand some of you feel that you need to get the point across/ have a habit.
And the fact stands that something needs to bend.
look, group that needs to swear, when you signed on here you agreed to a fact that you wouldn't use vulgarity in your speak, ect.
and swearing is considered vulgar.
i'm sorry but you're going to have to give up on getting rid of the filter. if you feel mad about it, you do have one right. the right to leave.
And for those that want it out because of the use of chores or something like that, i can simpithise. the exact same thing happened to me.
But this system doesn't need to leave, it needs to be tweated.
I suggest this. Bills, if you can, you need to make it so that the system simply puts in @#$!@% symbols- with words that are not even anywhere near vulgar in the system you have to agree that this isn't fair to people that don't swear ever, let alone here. either that or the list needs to be modified.
To the rest of us-
the people that swear need to give up swearing
the people that want the filter out need to give up- it aint gonna happen.
the people that want change to happen- WAIT! ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY!
i hope this might stop continuing arguements
edit- never mind... i didn't see the updates in the home page.
sorry for starting things up again if i did

[Siquo]

The word "vulgaris" means "normal" in Latin.
Therefore, swearing is normal.
Therefore, the filter is abnormal.
Therefore, only abnormal people or those who don't speak at all (usually autistics, "socially challenged", or people without a keyboard, all usually considered abnormal as well) can play the game.
Anyone abnormal is a potential terrorist (well, in the U.S.A. they are).
Therefore this game can only be played by potential terrorists, and provides a means of communicating for them.

If I were Digis, I'd watch out for the Homeland Security people standing at their doors any moment.

[jaydude6]

A.hey, you forgot something in your logic chain
vulgar, through a miracle, can be 100% equal to vulgaris
B. the fourth and fifth definitions of vulgar in the webster website is as follows

vulgar-...

"4.a : lacking in cultivation, perception, or taste : COARSE b : morally crude, undeveloped, or unregenerate : GROSS c : ostentatious or excessive in expenditure or display : PRETENTIOUS
5. a : offensive in language : EARTHY b : lewdly or profanely indecent"

as swearing is lacking in taste- it gives no descriptive value and lacks meaning- , is crude, undeveloped- you just say it because you have lack of another insult- can be considered gross, is excessively displayed, is offensive to many, and is profanely indecent for many ears.
therefore, the only ones that can play this game is the well cultured, decent people.
or at least in language.

C. you realise that your logic chain also says that all the handycapped, forien, ect people in this country are potential terriorists?
and it also happens to forget the common man that might just not like America, or was paid.

I think that kills your logic chain Siquo.

[meletus]

Originally posted by DivineRight
... I still can't get over how you people are so obsessed with the swear filter and you would rather have us waste time on something so minor instead of bringing more and exciting new things to Tactics Arena Online.
Whats that...? The customer is always right... If there is an obession with something then there must be some form of value to it. The point has never been that swearing is a GOOD thing, but just that it happens, it is common place to do on occasion and that the way we are being punished is unjust, based again on the enviroment you created.

Changed or unchanged filter, the enviroment will always be different now. As you mentioned the system created and still creates testers.. Much more annoying than vulgarity previously posted. You have made your own problem within a problem. You didn't want to solve a problem you wanted to make a simple out.. a "This will teach them solution.." or "Maybe this will clear my in-boxfor awhile solution." But it hasn't even solved either and now you have an even bigger annoyance and more PM's more e-mails and more threads on one topic over anything else.
Originally posted by Bills
Stop swearing you twits. It's not that damn hard. If you get booted this often I think it's a good time to learn some new words REALLY quick.
I can totally imagine both of you are tired of hearing all this.. It is obvious in your posts. I'm getting tired of reading about it. Yes I can fortunately ignore the threads.. Not gonna happen though.
Originally posted by Bills
You all make huge "adult" sounding posts because you feel for some reason you think you have the right to call people gay? of fags? or yap about sex?
I make huge adult posts because well I am an adult and have had an effect on an society for quite a few years now. Am I arguing that you should make swearing the new important part of the game.. no not at all.. I don't think anyone here is saying that they NEED swearing. AT first it was just a few simple posts about what is all considered "bad" and now becuase of your creation and because ppl are tired of getting booted, which hopefully is reduced now, you have angry posters.

... obsessed with the swear filter.. yeah when something effects game play, like getting booted its gonna cause and obession Swearing doesn't need to be part of the game but you shouldn't have to include not swearing as part of your tactic to win.

[S_K_O_F]

... obsessed with the swear filter.. yeah when something effects game play, like getting booted its gonna cause and obession Swearing doesn't need to be part of the game but you shouldn't have to include not swearing as part of your tactic to win.

Are you seriously using this as an argument? I am curious what Bills or Divine has to say about this one.

[meletus]

How many people would have just laughed when they saw #%@ instead of the text they typed..? Do you think all these threads would have been started if that were the case?

Getting booting is a "slap on the wrist" but is also a slap in the face. Some games last over an hour and your telling me if I type some wonderful word I forfeit the whole match..? I have only lost one match to the filter. But I see no need for the boot. The filter yes. It agree that its TAO enviroment if they wanna block a certain langauge good for them to be morale.

This game is about tactics.. not about watching what you say.

[S_K_O_F]

then dont watch what you say...just dont be vulgar.
If you have to watch yourself and try to not be vulgar then you have more problems than this filter. I doubt vulgarity is truly a well respected part of ones personality.

[jaydude6]

sigh... guys... how about this?
NO MORE POSTING TILL WE FIND SOMETHING NEW TO THE ARGUEMENT!
IF THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGE IT WILL TAKE A WHILE!
NOT SECONDS! NOT MINUTES! NOT HOURS! BUT DAYS! AND WEEKS IF NEEDED!
so how about we grab a seat, get some popcorn, and watch tv if you find the filters that bad.
and meletus... what world are you from? Its the customers that give us income that is worth it for us are always right. TAO doesn't care if they lose a nonplaying pest.
not even 1 gold pest.

[S_K_O_F]

agreed...I think my original post in this thread was something about leaving it alone anyway...then i let myself be drug back in.

[Rescorlian]

Just let it be? No I don't think so. No problem was ever solved by letting it alone. Look at Europe. I am a pest it's true. However I have already gotten what I wanted (not just me I shouldn't take credit soley) in the past by my whining, complaining, bitching, moaning, obsessing, whatever. The argument however has changed. It is no longer get rid of it. But how to edit it to best suit it's purpose along with the conveniance and want of the players. Pacafism never solved anything. And if you are so tired of this, why do you continue to post? And (before recent update of filter, nice job by the way) watching my chatting had become part of my tactics as I am constantly worried about it.

Here's something new, how about instead of symbols just remove the word. If it's easy enought to remove a player from the arena then it would (I'm just guessing) be even simpliar just to remove the word. Instead of a boot or symbols you just get a fragmented sentance. Or not even fragmented as the majoirty of profanity is used as exclamation.

I will back Meletus up and repeat myself, doing the work first, then the fun stuff is the definition of responsability. And in this case I say that I can wait for new cool things. Here's a question, what good will the new cool things be, if the gameplay isn't enjoyed in the first place?

Also I agree with meletus on I am an adult. Thus why I complain. I am not some child who will let something go I don't agree with. Pacifism is for children.

[jaydude6]

but at the same time- i think both sides have presented all they can.
all we can do now is wait- unless you guys have something new.

[Rescorlian]

yeah but.... you.... uh..., yeah I think your right. Hopefully admin will read the new stuff and decide that what has been said is wortht making changes. As once again it is more important than cool stuff. It hurts me to say that but it's the truth.

I hear ya jaydude, I'm out till something new comes up.

[meletus]

Originally posted by jaydude6
meletus... what world are you from? Its the customers that give us income that is worth it for us are always right. TAO doesn't care if they lose a nonplaying pest.
not even 1 gold pest.

Jaydude take a look at all the posts.. How many are gold members all paying for this? I counted over 15 in the six threads I found that find problems with the way the filter is(was) and I alone have supported over 10 other members and have helped convince others to convert to gold and enjoy the fun.

There is no such thing as one pest in this case. How many people here have not brought friends or have made friends via this game? I'm sure you have heard of word of mouth, but I don't want to get into idle threats on either side of the coin.

Just look it how many feel one way or the other. A majority of those are trying to help the game and yes some are a little over zealous when they post. But they want a gaming enviroment that makes sense to them.

I can sit by a little and see what happens.. I like popcorn. Needless to say support the filter.. dissapointed with the punishment.

[DivineRight]

Meletus, how can you sit there an honestly say that the filter hasn't done any good? Have you been on any of the servers lately? Did you get the same complaints that I received daily in my e-mail box and pm's? NO, so stop pretending that you know anything about this when you obviously don't! It has made my job 10 times easier, just to let you know.

Its the same people who post these threads and keep debating about it's flaws, yet they never seem to EVER mention the qualities. Don't kid yourself, there are a lot of good qualities to the filter, but it seems arrogance clouds your judgment.

If your inability to use language that isn't offensive really does affect your game-play that much then perhaps you should cancel your subscription with our company. If our bug fixes and continuous upgrades to the filter so that everyone can say "I have to do chores after this" isn't good enough for you then I honestly doubt anything we do for you will be appreciated.

Its people like Siquo, who post unrelated "facts", who try to get their 2 cents in to sound intelligent who really insult me. This is the last time I am responding to this garbage, you guys talk about how you want your views to be heard, let me tell you, I for one will not be bullied around by people who are used to whining and bitching to get their way. I am a very fair person; many people here can vouch for me, and if this is the way you are going to act to get things done, grab some more popcorn and a comfy seat because you are going to be waiting for a while.

[BoBo The Fool]

am i the only one who read siquo's post as a joke? i thought it was hilarious....

[jaydude6]

DivineRight... i'm sorry,
when i made that first post i had forgotten about those upgrades, and my short-term memory problem helped it along.
I'd like to thank you guys (Bill and the mods) for putting up with all this garbage that you guys have put up with. I understand that it's a hard and thankless job- even i forget usually. But i'd like to thank you guys, for 1. trying to act in everyone's best interest, 2. working so hard for us, the thankless people that don't give you anything in return, and 3. putting up with us.

[Rescorlian]

Divinerights, I hear what you are saying and will vouch for you as I have had conversations with you and seen your actions. However, the filter had sone good, but I have about three or four screen shots of people still doing this stuff. But I have not sent them aws I am putting enough {filter} on your shoulders as is. There is a thread in here that has several aswell. I am insulted by your words as to whining and bitching. You and bills it seems have no problem insulting people when you know we can not, and will not ther by fight back. They have a definition for that, bully.

You do not want to respond to this "garbage" anymore, well I can understand, hell I can even relate. But if you don't want to deal with this then why are you admin?

I would also say that Meletus has the most accurate look of what you have to deal with out of all of us. As he is knowledgable in this area. Attempting to say he doesn't know what he's talking about is just insulting. You say your tired of being bullied, as admin you cannot be bullied. However you are being the bully. It would not surprise me if I paid huge consequences for this post. But nobody else has the balls to say it so I will.

We are the customers and there by have a rights to "whine and bitch". We pay for this product, and thus should have a say in what goes on with it. It is easy for you to say leave and go elsewhere as you have a monoploy as this is the greatest game I have found on the internet so far. I would however say that if competition comes along, you may regret your words.


I am sorry if I have offended you. As I said at the beggining of the post I will vouch for you as admin. But I am no child and don' take things lying down.

[Half-Mad]

Originally posted by Rescorlian
Wisdom is very usefull to have, but is useless without insight


Maybe with some wisdom, you might realize that something around here smells like a banning. Don't know if the admins will do so, but you certainly seem to want to get under their skin as much as you can about such a pointless topic.

[Bills]

The filter is just a step we have taken to help reduce unwanted chat, and spam.

It's not possible to prevent all abuse of chat systems and a small company like ours isn't going to come up with that solution.

But is has helped, it has cleaned up chat alot. We did our part to help make the game a better place for players to sit and chat, but with that said it is time for us to get back to making the Game a better GAME for people to PLAY.

DR handles more than just forums, he also does managment and serverside functions as well. So you have to understand there is only so much support anyone can provide to any one issue.

I do think we have been responsive to the issue, we added a filter based on player requests. It made some happy and some not. We tweeked the filter to bring as many players over to the happy side as we could and now at this stage we have to take a loss and just say we tried some players are not happy but most are and the results are good.

[ArcPaladinZero]

As long as it's for the greater good, I surely don't mind. But what can I say, I'm just a gray :rolleyes: