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[Elven Blood]

gah, the steelers won :(
*notice i didnt say the cards lost. the moto is, root for however the steelers are playing*
That was a good game though.
Just think, there could have been a 14 point turn-around.
Instead of throwing a pick at the end of the first half, the cards get a TD.
Instead, that shit hole of a person Harrison runs it back 100 yards.
How didn't he get knocked out of bounds? Not tackled, but just pushed out of bounds, that was rediculous.
So i was in a downer mood after that, and just played basketball until the forth quarter. And the cards were goin up and down the field, it was amazing!
And then they let Pit drive on them with 2:00 minutes left. WTF.
They had them like 3 and 20 on there own 12 yards line. And Ben scrambles, they should have sacked him like 3 times, but no- he passes to holmes for a 30 yard play. Ben should have been sacked like on 4 different plays on the last drive, but it never happened. Ba, if i was warner, i woulda flipped.
the dude just drove down the filed twice for 14 points in like 6 minutes, and the DEF can't hold out at all.

/end rant

It was a good game, just dissapointed the steelers won.

[Hatchet Klown]

gah, the steelers won :(
*notice i didnt say the cards lost. the moto is, root for however the steelers are playing*
That was a good game though.
Just think, there could have been a 14 point turn-around.
Instead of throwing a pick at the end of the first half, the cards get a TD.
Instead, that shit hole of a person Harrison runs it back 100 yards.
How didn't he get knocked out of bounds? Not tackled, but just pushed out of bounds, that was rediculous.


You can never say things like that. If the Steelers gave up that touchdown in the first half, it could have and likely would have changed their mentality and game plan coming into the second half. So it would have been a completely different game.

I was really indifferent on the who I wanted to win, but that last unreviewed just blew my mind simply because there was no review.
It didn't need a review at all. He CLEARLY had possession of the ball with both feet inbounds. It was an amazing catch and what I would think is the primary reason he's the Superbowl MVP.

Either way, my focus now is on the draft and Lehigh this spring.

[Godmic18]

You can never say things like that. If the Steelers gave up that touchdown in the first half, it could have and likely would have changed their mentality and game plan coming into the second half. So it would have been a completely different game.


It didn't need a review at all. He CLEARLY had possession of the ball with both feet inbounds. It was an amazing catch and what I would think is the primary reason he's the Superbowl MVP.

Either way, my focus now is on the draft and Lehigh this spring.

The fumble, not the touchdown.

[Hatchet Klown]

Oh well, blown calls happen... It's what put the nails in the coffins for the Titans and Eagles this postseason.

[The Butcher]

Blown call is not what put the Eagles out of the post-season I'm sorry to say.

In fact, we got a HUGE blown call with that kickoff to put us back IN the game, and still lost.

/WRISTS

[Medemia]

It didn't need a review at all. He CLEARLY had possession of the ball with both feet inbounds. It was an amazing catch and what I would think is the primary reason he's the Superbowl MVP.

Either way, my focus now is on the draft and Lehigh this spring.

Not that play. That was an amazing catch that was reviewed. We are talking about the incomplete pass/fumble by Kurt Warner with 5 seconds left in the game that was ruled a fumble that never got reviewed to see if it was an incomplete pass.

[Hatchet Klown]

Not that play. That was an amazing catch that was reviewed. We are talking about the incomplete pass/fumble by Kurt Warner with 5 seconds left in the game that was ruled a fumble that never got reviewed to see if it was an incomplete pass.

Oh well, blown calls happen... It's what put the nails in the coffins for the Titans and Eagles this postseason.

Eagles screwed themselves, and while trying to recover the final nail was the blown pass interference call, it shouldn't have gotten to that point. However the Cardinals screwed themselves over with the penalties and arguably (hard to argue) but scoring so fast with Fitzgerald. Leaving over two and a half minutes on the clock for a team that's been to the superbowl and has a solid set offensive weapons is a mistake.

[The Butcher]

Not that play. That was an amazing catch that was reviewed. We are talking about the incomplete pass/fumble by Kurt Warner with 5 seconds left in the game that was ruled a fumble that never got reviewed to see if it was an incomplete pass.

Serves them right..

The first fumble that Warner had that was ruled a incomplete pass was bullshit. His arm was only coming forward because the defender hit him from behind. He made a sad attempt to LOOK like he was throwing the ball, that was a bad call, that was clearly a fumble to me. So karma caught up with him on the last play of the game.

@ Hatch, we all know how absurdly obsessed I am with the Eagles.. and i have to disagree. I think the Curtis play at the end of the game was clean coverage, If they had called it on Philly as PI i would have been mad.. that's all I can go on.

But i was so discouraged by that point was like "ahhh the hell with it"..

[bdog1321]

Does it feel weird to be wrong all the time?

How does it feel to be a Troll?
EDIT: Wanna take bets on the Cowboys taking it all next year? :P

[bdog1321]

Sorry for the double-post in advance, but let it be known that the Steelers did not outplay the Cardinals. The Cardinals defense played better than the Steelers. Had it not been for the Harrison INT, the Cardinals would surely have won.

[Spirit_Monger]

Well I stopped watching after they ruled Warner's throw a fumble, but apparently they didn't review the play? That's just dumb. It's the superbowl and could have gone the other way as well.

PLUS, Farrior had the penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct at the end of the play, +15 years. If the Cardinals keep the ball that puts them much closer to the end zone, making it less of a hail mary and more of a throw like Rothlisberger made to Holmes the drive before when Pitt scored.
With 3 great receivers and the jumping skills Fitzgerald has the Cards had a much better chance.

Just realized this now after I'm not quite as pissed anymore ...

[Jeffery]

Well I stopped watching after they ruled Warner's throw a fumble, but apparently they didn't review the play? That's just dumb. It's the superbowl and could have gone the other way as well.

PLUS, Farrior had the penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct at the end of the play, +15 years. If the Cardinals keep the ball that puts them much closer to the end zone, making it less of a hail mary and more of a throw like Rothlisberger made to Holmes the drive before when Pitt scored.
With 3 great receivers and the jumping skills Fitzgerald has the Cards had a much better chance.

Just realized this now after I'm not quite as pissed anymore ...
Cards had more yardage, but the Steelers had better possession time, less penalties and less turnovers.

The interception definitely was a big play. The cardinals were outrun in every possible way. They had MANY chances to grab him, and just seemed to be playing high school balland jst not trying very hard.

[Ol' Time]

It was really a good game

Not much to say, steelers played better.

Woulda loved to see cards win though

[bdog1321]

Total Net Yards: Steelers: 292 Cardinals: 407*

Penalties: Steelers: 7 for 56 yards. Cardinals 11 for 106**

T.O.P.: Steelers: 33:01 Cardinals: 26:59

Turnovers: Steelers: 1 Cardinals: 2

Passing Leaders

Kurt Warner: 31/43 attempts, 377 yards. 3 TD, 1 INT.

Ben Roethlisberger: 21/30 attempts, 256 yards. 1 TD, 1 INT.

Rushing Leaders

Willie Parker: 19 carries, 53 yards (lol?).

Edgerrin James: 9 carries, 33 yards.

Receiving goes to Arizona

Rushing goes toPittsburgh

Defense

About equal, both had two sacks and one interception. The Steelers, however, allowed far more yards.

*:most yards the steelers have allowed this season, 115 more than they earned themselves.

**:the real killer for the Cards, without those penalties the Steelers would have had scoring drives ended, and put their own drives into more manageable territories.

Wins in each category by team:

Pittsburgh: T.O.P., Rushing, Turnovers, Penalties, Points.

Arizona: Receiving, Passing, Overall yards.

Arizona had it offensively, running over the "best defense in the league," for 407 total yards. They had it defensively only allowing 292, and having several goal-line stands.

Pittsburgh controlled the clock, while turning it over one time less than the Cardinals, even if the last turnover happened in garbage time, if it could be called garbage time in this game. They had more rushing yards, but 19 carries for 53 yards? Willie was ineffective as a whole. Arizona is a passing team, but if they played more balanced, no doubt they would have had more rushing yards as well. The interception for a touchdown was the nail in the coffin, without which the Steelers would have fallen. Penalties were a huge factor in the game, you could say the Cardinals "pulled a Dallas," (last year vs. Giants, anyone?) in this game.

My analysis, the victor SHOULD have been: The Arizona Cardinals.

Luck would have it for the Steelers, however, that things went their way when it counted. Like the blown calls the refs made throughout the game.

Better luck next year, 'Zona, but that's a stupid thing to say, considering next year is Dallas' year.

This has been a Bdog production, any depictions or descriptions without Bdog's consent will result in a swift kick in the gonads.

[The Cheat]

How does it feel to be a Troll?
EDIT: Wanna take bets on the Cowboys taking it all next year? :P

I will take that bet.

[Ol' Time]

Me too

[Lost.Boy]

Ill take all those bets and put it on the lions jking yea but Eagles will win before the cowboys.

Cardinals were doing good first half only bad was when harrison ran the whole field. Other then that the defense just got tired the final two minutes and the steelers scored. It was an even game both defense's and offense's both did good.

TO the combine and draft!

[Lord Shinok]

I'ma try to get tickets to some of the Cowboys' games next season. :D

[bdog1321]

I'ma try to get tickets to some of the Cowboys' games next season. :D

Never knew you were a 'boys fan. Yeah me too, first year in the new stadium i'm pumped to go to one. They better win.....Maybe i'll go when they play the raiders. :P And Cheat, if the Cowboys do not win next year, I'll put my sig as a giant Cheat is the undeniable football god, Bdog is a fail retard. Until the next super bowl.

[The Cheat]

Never knew you were a 'boys fan. Yeah me too, first year in the new stadium i'm pumped to go to one. They better win.....Maybe i'll go when they play the raiders. :P And Cheat, if the Cowboys do not win next year, I'll put my sig as a giant Cheat is the undeniable football god, Bdog is a fail retard. Until the next super bowl.

You all see it.


The bet is the Cowboys must win the SB next year or else.

If they do win, I'll do the same for you.


THE BET IS ON!

[Hugh Junit]

I've had the same quote in my sig for a long time.
After that steaming pile of a halftime show, I feel vindicated.

[bdog1321]

I've had the same quote in my sig for a long time.
After that steaming pile of a halftime show, I feel vindicated.

He ugly. (bruce)

[Coffin Fedder]

Sorry for the double-post in advance, but let it be known that the Steelers did not outplay the Cardinals. The Cardinals defense played better than the Steelers. Had it not been for the Harrison INT, the Cardinals would surely have won.

Not always true, if one play happens it's always a different ball game.

[bdog1321]

Not always true, if one play happens it's always a different ball game.

Without the Harrison INT, I HOPE they would have won.* :P

[007 GOD]

Harrison should have been ejected for his bs on the punt in the 4th. He is a punk ass.

[The Butcher]

I've had the same quote in my sig for a long time.
After that steaming pile of a halftime show, I feel vindicated.

It got a lot of "praise"..

From the OLD people!!

[Godmic18]

It got a lot of "praise"..

From the OLD people!!

Yeah. My folks went out and bought tickets the next day...

[The Cheat]

I never watch the half time show. I'd rather just watch the game.

[Hatchet Klown]

I never watch the half time show. I'd rather just watch the game.

Normally half time means head outside and grab a smoke... however I was in one of the few bars you're still allowed to smoke in. :cool:

So I got stuck watching the half time show.

[The Cheat]

Normally half time means head outside and grab a smoke... however I was in one of the few bars you're still allowed to smoke in. :cool:

So I got stuck watching the half time show.

You could have turned your back and refused to watch.

[Spirit_Monger]

Yeah does anyone know if Harrison was at least fined for that crap? :dry:
Didn't see anything about it on ESPN.

[Medemia]

Yeah does anyone know if Harrison was at least fined for that crap? :dry:
Didn't see anything about it on ESPN.

I haven't heard anything about it and didn't find anything about a fine online yet.

[The Cheat]

Does anyone have the clip of this big hit?

I think I missed it....

[Medemia]

I can't see if there is a video at this link but there looks like there may be (they block it at work.)
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/james-harrison-punch-draws-personal-foul-penalty-and-criticism

Nice article too

[Spirit_Monger]

Well thank god there don't seem to be many Steeler fans around here to brag about it.
Just by looking at some comments on there they are sounding arrogant as hell, as usual. :rolleyes:

[Anime Girl]

They should have got Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson for the halftime show again. Wardrobe malfunction!

[Lost.Boy]

2.0 steelers as an organization should of took harrison out to show class, but then again the steelers are a cut throat team on defense.

[nomar]

KAP and I are the only true superfans....Super, purely due to our being fans of the Patriots (cool people like nomar aren't quite super fans because they don't post here enough) :P

You suck!

[Medemia]

You suck and so does your team!!

Fixed :D

[nomar]

Fixed :D

Patriots FTW!!!!!!!!!!!

[Medemia]

Legends needs to die more often. It's good having you around to poke with a stick :p

[The Butcher]

Pro Bowl is in Miami next year...

Lame.

[nomar]

Legends needs to die more often. It's good having you around to poke with a stick :p

Just as long as it's only a stick and not.....

[pils]

Why does everyone keep posting that?

[Worker]

Why does everyone keep posting that?

lolwut? thats in his sig

[pils]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/facepalm2.jpg

[Ol' Time]

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/e0e1693f2d7f107a57ff9d324550a3d9c6439a74.jpg

All times are appropriate for Vince

[Coffin Fedder]

How will Tom Cable do as the Raiders head coach? He wasn't putting up as many yards or points as Kiffin but the team was looking like they actually want to play together. I see at least 6 wins for next season hopefully. I'm curious of how he'll work with Russel.

[Lost.Boy]

The Pro Bowl should be in Philadelphia :p.

[bdog1321]

The Pro Bowl should be in Philadelphia :p.

By the time this happens, Dallas will have won 10 more big ones.

[The Butcher]

By the time this happens, Dallas will have won 10 more big ones.

How'd they do this year again?

Oh yeah..

[bdog1321]

How'd they do this year again?

Oh yeah..

Your team lost too, you can't talk. Doesn't matter when they lost. We didn't tie the bengals, yo.

[The Butcher]

Your team lost too, you can't talk. Doesn't matter when they lost. We didn't tie the bengals, yo.

My team beat your team by over 30 points to knock you out of a potential playoff spot.

Ouchies.

/talks

[bdog1321]

My team beat your team by over 30 points to knock you out of a potential playoff spot.

Ouchies.

/talks

You also.....tied the bengals. With a quarterback who didn't know there WERE ties. /fail

[The Butcher]

You also.....tied the bengals. With a quarterback who didn't know there WERE ties. /fail

We tied the bengals and got farther then you.. who does that look bad on?

http://students.ou.edu/G/David.M.Gehris-1/brian%20dawkins.jpg

Tony Homo's boogey man

[bdog1321]

We tied the bengals and got farther then you.. who does that look bad on?

http://students.ou.edu/G/David.M.Gehris-1/brian%20dawkins.jpg

Tony Homo's boogey man

You got father than us because of the cardinals.

[I'malive24/7]

No, they got farther than you because they were a better team with considerably less douchebags hanging around.

[bdog1321]

No, they got farther because Romo and Mat McBriar got injured, along with about 15 others. Many starters. Felix Jones, anyone? Marion Barber?

[The Butcher]

Over 30 points bdog.

Keep going though, its funny watching you squirm.

[bdog1321]

Over 30 points bdog.

Keep going though, its funny watching you squirm.

Lol it's funny watching you think you're making me mad. You're just a troll, nothing more.

Begone.

[The Butcher]

Wrong, as usual.

You think you know football. But you don't know shit, and it's hilarous to watch you try and pull stuff out of your ass to defend yourself.

[bdog1321]

Wrong, as usual.

You think you know football. But you don't know shit, and it's hilarous to watch you try and pull stuff out of your ass to defend yourself.

So you're telling me a team is supposed to make the playoffs without the franchise QB for almost 1/4 of the season, both running backs hurt, one on IR, your 2nd receiver with a toe injury, your tight end playing through a torn ligament AND broken ribs? That's not even going into defense.

You just enjoy trying to make me look bad, and it's HILARIOUS* (in case you didn't know that's how you actually spell it, in which case I wouldn't be surprised) to watch you pull increasingly more desperate BS to try and flame me.

Again, begone troll.

[The Butcher]

1. You are making excuses as to why your team lost, that's fine. But even a group of scabs shouldn't get beat by THAT many points, in a PLAYOFF* game.

2. You make yourself look stupid, i just point it out.

3. I'm not a troll, we already went over that.

Anything else champ? PM me, I'm tired of being wrangled into arguing matches with you, it's like beating up a blind kid with a 7-iron.

[bdog1321]

1. You are making excuses as to why your team lost, that's fine. But even a group of scabs shouldn't get beat by THAT many points, in a PLAYOFF* game.

2. You make yourself look stupid, i just point it out.

3. I'm not a troll, we already went over that.

Anything else champ? PM me, I'm tired of being wrangled into arguing matches with you, it's like beating up a blind kid with a 7-iron.

1. I am pointing out why my team lost, not making excuses. They are valid. If you think injuries to critical players isn't a valid reason, you're a bigger idiot than you make me out to be. I know they played like shit in the last game, but even so, if the Cardinals had not broken Romo's finger, you wouldn't have been in the playoffs. Thank them, not me.

2. You try and make me look stupid out of regular statements. That post you first flamed tonight had nothing to do with you, nothing about the eagles. It was a little joke. No, you had to take it and try to make me look like a fool again out of an innocent statement.

3. You are a troll.

4. You told me not to PM you. But if you'd like to end this ridiculous routine you've been keeping to, I'm all for it. Ready to grow up? :rolleyes:

Way to turn another page into a flame-fest. Football time now? I think so.

[Coffin Fedder]

You got father than us because of the cardinals.

Once again you truely proved yourself as an Idiot. Brian Dawkins tore apart the Cowboys when they played the last regular season game. The Cowboys could of gotten in but they didn't prove anything as a team and literally fell apart. Learn what your talking about. The Cardinals injuring Mat McBriar did nothing, they wouldn't of released the 2nd best punter in the league for no reason. A broken leg, one season. That tells us something about that excuse of a team. The best Punter but the is Shane Lechler of the Raiders.

[Duraza]

I had this old Steelers t-shirt from their superbowl win in '06...crazy cool, it was. It had bob the blob, the word "Skwid" on it, the steelers logo. Sick, sick T shirt. Hand made. Wish I could've brought it down here to the Philippines, we had Super Bowl Monday in the morning ;p

[bdog1321]

Once again you truely proved yourself as an Idiot. Brian Dawkins tore apart the Cowboys when they played the last regular season game. The Cowboys could of gotten in but they didn't prove anything as a team and literally fell apart. Learn what your talking about. The Cardinals injuring Mat McBriar did nothing, they wouldn't of released the 2nd best punter in the league for no reason. A broken leg, one season. That tells us something about that excuse of a team. The best Punter but the is Shane Lechler of the Raiders.

Did I say they lost solely because McBriar was injured? No. Without Romo hurt, the Cowboys wouldn't have lost to the Rams, or the Giants. This bumps the Cowboys up to 11 wins and a playoff spot even without that eagles "game."

Like I said I'm not defending the Cowboys' performance.

[Medemia]

Instead of trying to defend them by saying they got hurt, do like I do with my team, the Broncos. They choked at the end of the season. It wasn't that they were injured. They didn't play up to their potential and they deserved to be home that first week of January.

Injuries are part of the game and if a team can't overcome them, they don't deserve to win.

[bdog1321]

Instead of trying to defend them by saying they got hurt, do like I do with my team, the Broncos. They choked at the end of the season. It wasn't that they were injured. They didn't play up to their potential and they deserved to be home that first week of January.

Injuries are part of the game and if a team can't overcome them, they don't deserve to win.

The Broncos need to get their defense off of everyone else's payroll @_@ seriously.

But then by using that logic, if you took out the catalyst in all of the "great" teams' success stories, they wouldn't be "deserving" because of the absence of one critical player? Nah..... A guy like Tony Romo, Marion Barber, you just can't replace those guys. No backup can pick up the slack they leave, even if Choice did a damn good job of trying. There are guys, like Tom Brady as you saw, that are the center-point of the offense of a team. Without them, their offense becomes less respected, and it changes the way other teams play them, which forces the rest of the offense to essentially become a new offense. Sometimes there just isn't enough time to adjust, as in the Cowboys' case. The Patriots got lucky, with Brady being injured in the first week and their backup's potential exploding in the middle of the season. Brad Johnson is what, like 37, 38, 39? He's reached his potential, and it isn't good enough to fill in for a guy like Tony Romo, who makes the Cowboys' offense what it is. Tony Romo is 80% of the difference between 13-3 and 9-7, and when he misses three games it can mean the season. You're asking a backup QB on his way out to take up the slack of one of the NFL's best? That's not even getting into the rest of the injuries, which make up the other 20%.

[Medemia]

You know, you're right. If the Broncos wouldn't have had 8 different running backs hurt this year, they may have won the entire thing. If Jay Cutler didn't have diabetes, he wouldn't have to monitor his blood sugar and he could do even better. If John Elway would have never retired, then who knows how many SB's the Broncos would have won by now... probably all of them. Heck. I'm going to whine and complain about everything that affected the Broncos and their playoff hopes the last 10 years now!

[bdog1321]

You know, you're right. If the Broncos wouldn't have had 8 different running backs hurt this year, they may have won the entire thing. If Jay Cutler didn't have diabetes, he wouldn't have to monitor his blood sugar and he could do even better. If John Elway would have never retired, then who knows how many SB's the Broncos would have won by now... probably all of them. Heck. I'm going to whine and complain about everything that affected the Broncos and their playoff hopes the last 10 years now!


Lol...What good running backs do the Broncos even have? All they have is a passing game. We're talking about Tony Romo and Marion Barber here. The Broncos have half a defense, as well.

David Garrard has chromes disease. Lol. He > Jay Cutler anyways, and I don't see how pricking yourself with a needle makes you worse at football.

You are taking me out of context. I am talking about three games, not ten years. GG?

[Medemia]

Broncos, by committee, this year, were the 12th in rushing yards by a team in the NFL, compared to Dallas' 21st. If you want to do it by yards per attempt, Denver was tied for #2 while Dallas was #10. You have to go back to 2001 for the last time the Cowboys had more rushing yards than the Broncos. You may want to check your facts before making a statement like the Broncos are a passing team when they clearly have been a rushing team first and foremost for the last decade.

[KickAssPlaya]

Patriots FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
FTW! :cool:
Pro Bowl is in Miami next year...

Lame.
Not lame..SB and PB i miami..I'm going down and possibly going to the SB :)


Broncos, by committee, this year, were the 12th in rushing yards by a team in the NFL, compared to Dallas' 21st. If you want to do it by yards per attempt, Denver was tied for #2 while Dallas was #10. You have to go back to 2001 for the last time the Cowboys had more rushing yards than the Broncos. You may want to check your facts before making a statement like the Broncos are a passing team when they clearly have been a rushing team first and foremost for the last decade.

I LOL'd.

At bdog, the Patriots lost Tom Brady in week 1 and had a chance to make the playoffs in the last week of the regular season. You're star was gone 4 weeks...and were in the same boat as the Patriots. Cowboys clearly suck. :p

[bdog1321]

Broncos, by committee, this year, were the 12th in rushing yards by a team in the NFL, compared to Dallas' 21st. If you want to do it by yards per attempt, Denver was tied for #2 while Dallas was #10. You have to go back to 2001 for the last time the Cowboys had more rushing yards than the Broncos. You may want to check your facts before making a statement like the Broncos are a passing team when they clearly have been a rushing team first and foremost for the last decade.

Well damn. All I ever heard outta that team was "Jay Cutler." I am probably wrong since you are a broncos fan and I am not, so I don't see much of their games, but the consensus of my RL broncos fan friends is that they're a passing team. Sure, they might have better rushing stats than Dallas. The fact is, that again, I'm not talking about the last decade. I'm talking about three games. This really only has to do with the Cowboys, no idea why the Broncos are in this at all. Marion Barber, no offense, is better than any of your 8 backs. True, Barber was out when Romo was in, but this forced them to become one dimensional due to Felix being on IR. The Broncos apparently had 8 readily available decent running backs to put up those numbers, while the Cowboys didn't. It did more to the Cowboys to lose Felix and Barber than any of the 8 on the Broncos. The Broncos are also 3rd in passing yards, which leads me to believe 3 is better than 12. Which makes them a passing team. GG.


@KAP Johnson VS. Cassel. Are you trying to be funny?

[Lost.Boy]

Lets direct our attention to a guy called Mr.Feeley? sp. Anyway the story goes as McNabb is out the eagles season is over who heard of this new guy Aj ? No one but they won with a backup qb.

Unlike the cowboys team who has lots great players lost a qb and died 1 player made their whole team that says not much their so great and amazing but the lost romo and sucked.

[KickAssPlaya]

Well damn. All I ever heard outta that team was "Jay Cutler." I am probably wrong since you are a broncos fan and I am not, so I don't see much of their games, but the consensus of my RL broncos fan friends is that they're a passing team. Sure, they might have better rushing stats than Dallas. The fact is, that again, I'm not talking about the last decade. I'm talking about three games. This really only has to do with the Cowboys, no idea why the Broncos are in this at all. Marion Barber, no offense, is better than any of your 8 backs. True, Barber was out when Romo was in, but this forced them to become one dimensional due to Felix being on IR. The Broncos apparently had 8 readily available decent running backs to put up those numbers, while the Cowboys didn't. It did more to the Cowboys to lose Felix and Barber than any of the 8 on the Broncos. The Broncos are also 3rd in passing yards, which leads me to believe 3 is better than 12. Which makes them a passing team. GG.


@KAP Johnson VS. Cassel. Are you trying to be funny?


Lol. Are you trying to be funny? :tease: Let me see a proven vet (I'll give him that he's old) vs an unproven player?? Gee I wonder who I'd choose.

And now let's make this scenario how it was.. unproven QB to lead you team ALL year or a seasoned vet to lead your team for FOUR games? You are an idiot. GG

[bdog1321]

Lol. Are you trying to be funny? :tease: Let me see a proven vet (I'll give him that he's old) vs an unproven player?? Gee I wonder who I'd choose.

And now let's make this scenario how it was.. unproven QB to lead you team ALL year or a seasoned vet to lead your team for FOUR games? You are an idiot. GG

A proven vet, sure. He won a super bowl. HE'S PAST HIS PRIME. He'S garbage now! I'd take cassel over him any day! Who wouldn't you apparently. Who's the idiot? :)

[KickAssPlaya]

A proven vet, sure. He won a super bowl. HE'S PAST HIS PRIME. He'S garbage now! I'd take cassel over him any day! Who wouldn't you apparently. Who's the idiot? :)

ooooh man. You never fail to amuse me. You're going to tell me BEFORE this season started you would have taken Cassel (someone noone knew but Patriots fan [very few non-Patriot fans]) over a proven vet in brad johnson?? Yeah right don't lie to yourself. ;)

[Trojan]

@KAP Johnson VS. Cassel. Are you trying to be funny?

Superbowl winner QB v. Kid who hasn't started since highschool?

The Cowboys lack so much it's not even funny. The difference is the Patriots are a team, not 53 individuals looking for a big paycheck.

LOL at the Broncos don't run comment. It's the Bengals that don't run, hence massive ammounts of suck on their team.

[The Butcher]

Franchising Cassel was a smart move, makes me wish we had franchised Garcia when we had the chance..

Although, I think McNabb solidified himself at least one more try at a ring next year with his performance in the last half of the year this year.

[Trojan]

Franchising Cassel was a smart move, makes me wish we had franchised Garcia when we had the chance..

Although, I think McNabb solidified himself at least one more try at a ring next year with his performance in the last half of the year this year.

I have have meet Jeff Garcia a couple times, real nice guy. I would not start Jeff Garcia over McNabb ever, might as well keep AJ Feely and save a couple bucks.

Keeping Cassel for another year is a great idea, if Tom Brady relapses you got a great #2, and the buzz dies for free agency and maybe you get a cheaper resign next year.

[The Butcher]

I have have meet Jeff Garcia a couple times, real nice guy. I would not start Jeff Garcia over McNabb ever, might as well keep AJ Feely and save a couple bucks.


Agreed, Garcia is a good QB, but he doesn't throw the long ball. And that's a no-no in Philadelphia.

That's funny you say you've met Garcia, I met Feeley at chapel-fest in Newark DE at a house party, lol. Jevon Kearse was outside being mobbed and i walked into one of the houses and there was AJ and Jon Dorenbos (the long snapper) drinking beer watching TV, so I got to hang with them for a minute, also a very nice guy.

[bdog1321]

ooooh man. You never fail to amuse me. You're going to tell me BEFORE this season started you would have taken Cassel (someone noone knew but Patriots fan [very few non-Patriot fans]) over a proven vet in brad johnson?? Yeah right don't lie to yourself. ;)

Before the season doesn't count for shit, smart guy, because this didn't HAPPEN before the season. By the time Brad filled in, Cassel had already proven himself as a capable QB, more than I could say for Brad.

The Romo-absence was in the middle of the season. Why did you say anything about before the season? Lol?

[Trojan]

Before the season doesn't count for shit, smart guy, because this didn't HAPPEN before the season. By the time Brad filled in, Cassel had already proven himself as a capable QB, more than I could say for Brad.
Matt Cassel had not proved anything by the time Romo was hurt. He played like a young Brady, but nothing spectacular his 400+ yard games were late in the season, at the start he was a very conservative QB. Brad Johnson has won a SUPERBOWL which he outplayed two time MVP Rich Gannon. Brad Johnson is a good QB, Cowboys just suck.

The Romo-absence was in the middle of the season. Why did you say anything about before the season? Lol?

Let me break it down real s-l-o-w: NFL Teams have their rosters done before the season starts. Patriots have had unproven Matt Cassel for years as number two (they drafted him). Cowboys had a back up that was a proven ring bearing QB. 31/32 teams would pick having Brad Johnson as a back-up prior to 2008 season.

[Medemia]

You know, I used to work in a warehouse where we had this diehard, annoying Raider fan where you couldn't say anything bad, or even true, about the Raiders without him going off and trying to defend them with his dying breathe. There are really only 3 sets of fans I have met like this (although I haven't met many Giants fans who I hear are the same way.) Those three are Raider fans, 49er fans and Cowboy fans. They never look at their team realistically but always have some excuse and it's never worth trying to have a conversation with them unless you want a good laugh.

[bdog1321]

Matt Cassel had not proved anything by the time Romo was hurt. He played like a young Brady, but nothing spectacular his 400+ yard games were late in the season, at the start he was a very conservative QB. Brad Johnson has won a SUPERBOWL which he outplayed two time MVP Rich Gannon. Brad Johnson is a good QB, Cowboys just suck.



Let me break it down real s-l-o-w: NFL Teams have their rosters done before the season starts. Patriots have had unproven Matt Cassel for years as number two (they drafted him). Cowboys had a back up that was a proven ring bearing QB. 31/32 teams would pick having Brad Johnson as a back-up prior to 2008 season.

Matt Cassel had proved that he could win! Besides the Chargers and Dolphins rout, he played very well. What would you call Brad? A gunslinger? He's one of the most conservative QBs in the league. Brad Johnson won a super bowl, where he threw for 215ish yards and 2 TDs and 1 INT. Rich Gannon threw 5 INTs, three were returned for TDs. Without those, Brad's two TDs wouldn't even have been enough. Brad Johnson WAS a good QB, but nothing capable of leading the Cowboys, as we saw. Johnson is 40. He won the super bowl when he was 33 or 34. He's 40. 40.

I'd take a rookie to a 40 year old any day, you know Brooks Bollinger? He's a rookie, their third QB. He's just as good if not better than Johnson, and he doesn't look like an old man while playing.

Granted, Brad is a solid backup. He doesn't completely suck, yet. He needs time to adjust to first team snaps, and he did actually do better toward the end of his little three-game foray. I can see why you'd say the Cowboys, and most other teams, would take Johnson over a rookie psychologically, but I've said before this season that Brad needs to retire.

@Medemia I like the Cowboys. A lot. But I haven't made any excuses here, I pointed out that with an inadequate backup the Cowboys threw their season away over that three-game stretch. And it is true. If you ask any good commentator or sports analyst why the Cowboys lost to the Rams and the Giants, they'll tell you it's because of Romo, among others, being out. I think your comment is unfounded, because I know the Cowboys aren't perfect. I criticize them myself, but that's the point. The Cowboys are the most loved, and most hated team in the NFL. Sometimes all of the haters band together, and the details of how and why the Cowboys get erased, but rather the fact that they did lose is all that's noticed, and it is ruthlessly discussed. Anyone who speaks out against it is labeled an idiot, and has no idea what he's talking about because the Cowboys most definitely are and always have been the worst team in the NFL. That kind of bullshit. So I think the reason you hear people so brashly defending teams like the Cowboys and the 49ers, is because they're so used to greatness. They come to think of the teams as infallible and argue anything that may go against their name. The Cowboys and 49ers are two of the most storied franchises in the NFL. Steelers fans are the same way, as are Giants fans of late.

@KAP thanks for sidetracking the discussion to include a patriot.

[Lost.Boy]

A proven vet, sure. He won a super bowl. HE'S PAST HIS PRIME. He'S garbage now! I'd take cassel over him any day! Who wouldn't you apparently. Who's the idiot? :)

you are the idiot.
if he was that bad why did the cowboys pick him up he is obviously smart enough and a good enough player to win a superbowl. Thats like saying any older qb is worthless which is not true.

Btw how old is Kurt Warner anyone know?

also WHAT THE FRIK DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T MAKE EXCUSES ???

[nomar]

Pats 2009 Check List:

1) Franchise Matt Cassel - Check

2) Trade Cassel for crap ton of picks -

3) Brady Start week 1 -

4) Win Superbowl

1 own, 3 to go!

[Medemia]

also WHAT THE FRIK DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T MAKE EXCUSES ???

Hey. I haven't seen an excuse.

The Romo-absence was in the middle of the season.

Did I say they lost solely because McBriar was injured? No. Without Romo hurt, the Cowboys wouldn't have lost to the Rams, or the Giants. This bumps the Cowboys up to 11 wins and a playoff spot even without that eagles "game."

So you're telling me a team is supposed to make the playoffs without the franchise QB for almost 1/4 of the season, both running backs hurt, one on IR, your 2nd receiver with a toe injury, your tight end playing through a torn ligament AND broken ribs? That's not even going into defense.


No, they got farther because Romo and Mat McBriar got injured, along with about 15 others. Many starters. Felix Jones, anyone? Marion Barber?

You got father than us because of the cardinals.

Pay no attention to the black text.

[Lost.Boy]

Oh it was my bad, ty medemia for correcting me.

[bdog1321]

So, as is typical with people around here, you took no attention to the facts about how old he is NOW, and WHEN he "won" the super bowl, you just skim it and call them excuses. There is a difference between an excuse and an explanation.

@LB, You can't read. Sorry, but it seems like you're always quoting posts that have been made and covered before. Johnson is 40. Warner is something like 36 or 37, and he's seriously considering retiring. And he's got a lot more talent than Brad does.

@Medemia, you are consistently taking me out of context. If you are going to do so, at least address at least one other point I made, so your post isn't TOTALLY worthless. Make no mistake, I know they played like shit. I'm just telling you why a lot of the shit happened. Undeniably there were other issues, but these were the killers.

[Trojan]

Matt Cassel had proved that he could win!

I'd take a rookie to a 40 year old any day, you know Brooks Bollinger? He's a rookie, their third QB. He's just as good if not better than Johnson, and he doesn't look like an old man while playing.
Matt Cassel wasn't a winner before this year, and he has been #2 for the Pats for a couple years, check older Madden games Cassel was like a 65 overall, even unproven backup Tony Romo was a 75 overall.
Don't ever doubt Madden, he was the Raiders coach (Medemia :)). Also, Brooks Bollinger isn't a rookie, he was a Raven a few years back and he is like 28.

Btw how old is Kurt Warner anyone know?

I think 37, might be 38.

[Coffin Fedder]

So, as is typical with people around here, you took no attention to the facts about how old he is NOW, and WHEN he "won" the super bowl, you just skim it and call them excuses. There is a difference between an excuse and an explanation.

@LB, You can't read. Sorry, but it seems like you're always quoting posts that have been made and covered before. Johnson is 40. Warner is something like 36 or 37, and he's seriously considering retiring. And he's got a lot more talent than Brad does.

@Medemia, you are consistently taking me out of context. If you are going to do so, at least address at least one other point I made, so your post isn't TOTALLY worthless. Make no mistake, I know they played like shit. I'm just telling you why a lot of the shit happened. Undeniably there were other issues, but these were the killers.

Just to shut you up. A lot of old QB's are past there prime but yet there still starting the NFL. I know Jeff Garcia is ol,d 37 now I think. Gus Ferotte wasn't even really suppose to play and he started a pretty good portion this season. A Great example is Kerry Collins. He's pretty old.

[Lost.Boy]

Bdog unlike you I do things during the day and night and don't post 24/7. I'm putting in my tid bits in.

ty trojan.

Anyone see the beach bowl?:o

[Coffin Fedder]

Matt Cassel wasn't a winner before this year, and he has been #2 for the Pats for a couple years, check older Madden games Cassel was like a 65 overall, even unproven backup Tony Romo was a 75 overall.
Don't ever doubt Madden, he was the Raiders coach (Medemia :)). Also, Brooks Bollinger isn't a rookie, he was a Raven a few years back and he is like 28.



I think 37, might be 38.

I think Bollinger played for the Jets then Vikings if I remember right. Only reason new he played football in my hometown, he played for Central High school, only reason I know that. I met him. haha:) Good ol North Dakota.

[Trojan]

I think Bollinger played for the Jets then Vikings if I remember right.

That's right, wrong purple team. :)

[bdog1321]

For reasons unknown to me, I thought Bollinger was a rookie. Before I made that post I looked it up, no idea why I didn't take it out. He's a 6th year.

@Coffin- I know, but this guy is too far gone. I know I said he was a decent backup...but that was before i looked at his stats again. I had thought he had improved over his three-game fill-in, but he got progressively worse when it counted the most. That's not the kind of guy I want playing backup. He turns 41 in september.

@Lost.- I have been here a year less than you, and have 3092 less posts. I am not posting every second of the day.

[Coffin Fedder]

Ehh whos know. Bollinger is a good back up as long as he has some time.

[bdog1321]

Ehh whos know. Bollinger is a good back up as long as he has some time.

I like him, he has potential if anyone were to try and develop it. I agree with your time comment, but what were you referring to, time to get better, or time in the pocket? I remember one pass while he was playing the Giants he had forever, and delivered something like a 25 yard pass to TO in double coverage. Highlight of the blowout @_@

[Coffin Fedder]

I like him, he has potential if anyone were to try and develop it. I agree with your time comment, but what were you referring to, time to get better, or time in the pocket? I remember one pass while he was playing the Giants he had forever, and delivered something like a 25 yard pass to TO in double coverage. Highlight of the blowout @_@

Both, time in the pocket so he has more time to understand what he's gonna do and how to deliver the ball. Either quick bullet or trust the reciever and deliever over the top.

[bdog1321]

Both, time in the pocket so he has more time to understand what he's gonna do and how to deliver the ball. Either quick bullet or trust the reciever and deliever over the top.

Shame though he's already 29, I don't see anyone giving him a chance to compete for the top job.

[Coffin Fedder]

Shame though he's already 29, I don't see anyone giving him a chance to compete for the top job.

Yeah. Happens though. I'm pretty sure if Tom Brady wouldn't of gotten injured Matt Cassel would of never gotten a chance to prove himself as a start. Just how the NFL works. You talent but you got better talent above them from what the coaches think.

[bdog1321]

Yeah. Happens though. I'm pretty sure if Tom Brady wouldn't of gotten injured Matt Cassel would of never gotten a chance to prove himself as a start. Just how the NFL works. You talent but you got better talent above them from what the coaches think.

Lol the brady comment reminded me of something. I really owe Drew Bledsoe. So do KAP and I'ma. You see, Drew gave both Tom and Tony their first starts in the NFL. Without Drew getting hurt, neither of them might have had their chance either, seeing as Tom was what, a 7th round pick, and Tony walked on undrafted. But by being hurt, he allowed Tom to realize his potential, as well as Tony. Thankya kindly, Drew.

[_Thunder_]

Woot pro bowl!

[bdog1321]

Peyton's carving up our D. :\

EDIT: Wow the NFC came back. Giants and Cowboys working together, take a long look because it's the only time you'll see it.

[KickAssPlaya]

Matt Cassel had not proved anything by the time Romo was hurt. He played like a young Brady, but nothing spectacular his 400+ yard games were late in the season, at the start he was a very conservative QB. Brad Johnson has won a SUPERBOWL which he outplayed two time MVP Rich Gannon. Brad Johnson is a good QB, Cowboys just suck.



Let me break it down real s-l-o-w: NFL Teams have their rosters done before the season starts. Patriots have had unproven Matt Cassel for years as number two (they drafted him). Cowboys had a back up that was a proven ring bearing QB. 31/32 teams would pick having Brad Johnson as a back-up prior to 2008 season.
Thank you. This is what I was trying to say.


Probowls suck. I didn't get to watch it although I probably would have today..oh well.

[bdog1321]

J-Wit only had one catch. :\

[Lost.Boy]

Jay Cutler was doing terrible =\ for the AFC.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Larry Fitzgerald goin deep: Check

No safety help over top: Check

Touchdown: Check

-Rogue_Wolf

[_Thunder_]

Larry Fitzgerald goin deep: Check

No safety help over top: Check

Touchdown: Check

-Rogue_Wolf

You'd better play FF next year. :p

[KickAssPlaya]

Larry Fitzgerald goin deep: Check

No safety help over top: Check

Touchdown: Check

-Rogue_Wolf

Nice to see you alive! :) How have you been?

[Rogue_Wolf]

You'd better play FF next year. :P

I meant to this year dude! I just forgot... :o

Nice to see you alive! :) How have you been?

I lived, KAP. I lived my life... :grin:

-Rogue_Wolf

[Blexican]

I meant to this year dude! I just forgot... :o



I lived, KAP. I lived my life... :grin:

-Rogue_Wolf

Sounds like he got a girlfriend is what it sounds like :p

[Rogue_Wolf]

Sounds like he got a girlfriend is what it sounds like :P

Now that's only semi-true. ;)

In addition, I kinda went from TAO forums to NFL Draft forums... :D

-Rogue_Wolf

[_Thunder_]

Now that's only semi-true. ;)

In addition, I kinda went from TAO forums to NFL Draft forums... :D

-Rogue_Wolf

Now I'm scared for next year :*ph34r:

[Rogue_Wolf]

Lol, it's not like it's done anything for me in FF.

I was in two FF leagues in 2005, won both of 'em, joined the NFLDC forums in 12/06, and have gone downhill ever since! :(

-Rogue_Wolf

[007 GOD]

Favre has retired again. :(

[Hatchet Klown]

Favre has retired again. :(

You seem suprised...

[Lost.Boy]

Farve retired :o never. I won't have it.

[KickAssPlaya]

I meant to this year dude! I just forgot... :o



I lived, KAP. I lived my life... :grin:

-Rogue_Wolf

Lived? As in..you're dead and posting!?! :shocked:

[Rogue_Wolf]

Lived? As in..you're dead and posting!?!

Psh, now that's just crazy talk! Everyone knows there's no internet in the afterlife. They use the outernet on the otherside. It's kinda like our internet - except with way more sweet zombie on zombie action. ;)

Who's turn is it to console Madden after Favre's 2nd retirement?

-Rogue_Wolf

[Coffin Fedder]

Seems like Terrel Suggs want's to go back to the Ravens. What's wrong with the Bengals also, it's likely that they're not going to put there franchise tag on Houshmanzadah. I mean, they got Chad Johnson but Houshmanzadah is a nice guy to have, great route runner, understands the game and can find an open so the QB can get it too him. Poor move I think.

[bdog1321]

Seems like Terrel Suggs want's to go back to the Ravens. What's wrong with the Bengals also, it's likely that they're not going to put there franchise tag on Houshmanzadah. I mean, they got Chad Johnson but Houshmanzadah is a nice guy to have, great route runner, understands the game and can find an open so the QB can get it too him. Poor move I think.

Well there is a reason why they were like 3 and 13 or something to that effect. I'm on my phone so i can't check now.

[The Butcher]

Suggs might be the ugliest football player, ever.

Even his name is ugly. "Suggs". GTFO.

[Spirit_Monger]

Seems like Terrel Suggs want's to go back to the Ravens. What's wrong with the Bengals also, it's likely that they're not going to put there franchise tag on Houshmanzadah. I mean, they got Chad Johnson but Houshmanzadah is a nice guy to have, great route runner, understands the game and can find an open so the QB can get it too him. Poor move I think.

Houshmanzadeh is old man. I'd like to see them sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal and trade him away after this year or something depending on how it goes for some draft picks or someone to solidify a position we suck at. I don't really see that happening though, and he doesn't want a 1 year deal and if we franchise him he will sit out.

Either way I think you need to just trade Chad. He has 1 year left and wont resign next. (99% sure of that one) Chances of us making a decent run at the super bowl this year are still pretty small, so get draft picks for him while we can.

The team just needs to rebuild around Palmer. Get a good O-Line like we had in '05 and a decent back. We have some decent recievers in Caldwell and Simpson for the future I think. Give Palmer the good O-Line and a back who can throw some blocks and at least give us a decent running game and Palmer can take care of everything else.

Build around Rivers on defense I suppose. I think we've improved a lot. Rivers will be good and our 2 CB's aren't too bad. Get a good d-line that can actually create some pressure by themselves and things will be a lot easier.

[bdog1321]

Palmer.

Palmer on a good team = :crybaby:

[Unforgottner]

Suggs might be the ugliest football player, ever.


Please don't disrespect Marshawn Lynch.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2234/2232160985_647627e90a.jpg

[The Butcher]

My buddy just met Mick Quick at his job at a furniture store.. he was picking up some new furniture..

And i'm stuck at work

:(

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm, Carson Palmer does deserve to be on a Great Team. I mean, I'd throw him up there with Manning as one of the greatest Stand up Pocket QB's in the league. He slings the ball with so much velocity it's scary/devestating and the accuracy the ball has is just breathtaking at moments. It'll never happen though, the Bengals would bench him before he could think about getting a trade. Fitzpatrick proved he could do some work with time last season. They have two Good QB's on there hands but they need to build a team that can help them.

[Lost.Boy]

They need a team before they can try to win.

[Cyborg Pancake]

Hmm, Carson Palmer does deserve to be on a Great Team. I mean, I'd throw him up there with Manning as one of the greatest Stand up Pocket QB's in the league. He slings the ball with so much velocity it's scary/devestating and the accuracy the ball has is just breathtaking at moments. It'll never happen though, the Bengals would bench him before he could think about getting a trade. Fitzpatrick proved he could do some work with time last season. They have two Good QB's on there hands but they need to build a team that can help them.
Palmer definitely had potential. After his knee injury, he wasn't worth nearly as much. We can argue this by 1) the Bengals success rate crashed 2) TJ and Chad are both wonderful targets and with the record they finished with, you could tell something was up (it wasn't just the defense).

I personally think Fitzpatrick has developed in a good starting quarterback and they're probably better off with him at this point.

[Trojan]

Bengals Lions merge makes an okay team.

QB: Carson Palmer
RB: Kevin Smith
FB: Daniel Coats
WR: Chad Johnson
WR: Calvin Johnson
WR: TJ Housmanzadeh
TE: Ben Utecht
LT: Jeff Backus
LG: Andrew Whitworth
C: Dominic Raiola
RG: Stacy Andrews
RT: Greg Foster
LE: Dewayne White
DT: Corey Redding
DT: Domata Peko
RE: Robert Geathers
LOLB: Keith Rivers
MLB: Paris Lenon
ROLB: Ernie Sims
CB: Leigh Bodden
CB: Leon Hall
FS: Dwight Smith
SS: Daniel Bullocks
K: Shane Graham
P: Kyle Larson

[Rogue_Wolf]

Leigh Bodden and Dwight Smith were both cut, Trojan. Bodden never fit in a Cover 2. He's a man coverage guy. He was actually very good in Cleveland, so I wonder if he goes back to the Browns. Dwight Smith has been a shadow of his former self for a while.

Baltimore Ravens also cut CB Chris McCallister. I believe they saved 8 million on their cap by doing so. McCallister was hurt for most of the season, and apparently is an alcoholic or something like that. *shrugs*

Jacksonville Jaguars cut RB Fred Taylor. Like McCallister, Taylor was cut for financial reasons. He's due a huge roster bonus, so I wonder if this is a mutual agreement and he'll re-sign just with the Jags for cheaper. Though, no doubt he can go to another team and make good money.

Expect a few other big names to be cut too, like Torry Holt, Orlando Pace, and others...

-Rogue_Wolf

[Spirit_Monger]

Palmer definitely had potential. After his knee injury, he wasn't worth nearly as much. We can argue this by 1) the Bengals success rate crashed 2) TJ and Chad are both wonderful targets and with the record they finished with, you could tell something was up (it wasn't just the defense).

I personally think Fitzpatrick has developed in a good starting quarterback and they're probably better off with him at this point.

I'll give you that he lost mobility and therefore some of his skill after the injury. Maybe more after this recent injury. But how you can put all of the blame you seem to be on Palmer, I really don't know.
The Bengals didn't have a running game last year that could be reliable, and this year our offensive line couldn't protect a QB to save their lives.

Oh, and Palmer didn't even play all that much this year, so you can't really attribute the record they finished with to him. They got what, 4 wins with Fitzpatrick against easy opponents towards the end of the year, when Fitzpatrick was starting to get a lot more accustomed to the offense. I'd still argue though, that they played some of their best football WITH Palmer in.

[Lost.Boy]

Why in the world would the rams cut torry holt?

[Rogue_Wolf]

Why in the world would the rams cut torry holt?

So the Titans can pick him up without it affecting their compensatory pick ratio, thus allowing them to reign supreme over, dare I say it (Dare! Dare!), teh world?

-Rogue_Wolf

[Cyborg Pancake]

I'll give you that he lost mobility and therefore some of his skill after the injury. Maybe more after this recent injury. But how you can put all of the blame you seem to be on Palmer, I really don't know.
The Bengals didn't have a running game last year that could be reliable, and this year our offensive line couldn't protect a QB to save their lives.

Oh, and Palmer didn't even play all that much this year, so you can't really attribute the record they finished with to him. They got what, 4 wins with Fitzpatrick against easy opponents towards the end of the year, when Fitzpatrick was starting to get a lot more accustomed to the offense. I'd still argue though, that they played some of their best football WITH Palmer in.
I am aware of his absence this year and was referring to records they finished with in the past. So obviously, I was not referring to the injury he suffered this year as well. The *other* one where tore his ACL, 3 years ago? Either way, I would have to agree with you on the majority of what you said. Their offensive line is pathetic, as well as their running back.

It is also true that Palmer was apart of the Bengals football team which had the most success, and never did I say Palmer is not good and never was, but more of 'his pace has slowed down drastically', enough so that their team is not in the contentious battle for the playoffs.

[Lost.Boy]

So the Titans can pick him up without it affecting their compensatory pick ratio, thus allowing them to reign supreme over, dare I say it (Dare! Dare!), teh world?

-Rogue_Wolf

HOW DARE YOU.

Holt would so be picked up by anyone he is still a threat. I know he is up there in career catches and stuff I know not as high as T.O. or Rice but he is up there. Unlike TO he would be a great mentor like rice was to Owens before he was anything.

[Cyborg Pancake]

Torry Holt is well overrated. You can tell, day in, day out he runs out of steam mid-route or he drops easy, lightly thrown balls. He's without a doubt ending his career soon, I'd give him 1 or 2 more seasons.

[_Thunder_]

Torry Holt is well overrated. You can tell, day in, day out he runs out of steam mid-route or he drops easy, lightly thrown balls. He's without a doubt ending his career soon, I'd give him 1 or 2 more seasons.

You sir are retarded. Put a sticker on your head. Overrated? How? No one talks about him... and they rate him not even in the top 10 WR's every year? So please tell me how he is overrated. Of course he has 1 or 2 more years, you can still play great football... You obviously know nothing about Torry Holt.

[Cyborg Pancake]

You sir are retarded. Put a sticker on your head. Overrated? How? No one talks about him... and they rate him not even in the top 10 WR's every year? So please tell me how he is overrated. Of course he has 1 or 2 more years, you can still play great football... You obviously know nothing about Torry Holt.
I know PLENTY about Torry Holt, much more than you ever will. Did I say he sucked, no? I say he is OVERRATED. You don't have to be in the top 10 to be overrated, but he is by far treated better than he should be..

If I need to show you statistics, I will. If I need to show you clear articles which favor him, I will.

[The Butcher]

I know PLENTY about Torry Holt, much more than you ever will. Did I say he sucked, no? I say he is OVERRATED. You don't have to be in the top 10 to be overrated, but he is by far treated better than he should be every analyst to be born.

If I need to show you statistics, I will. If I need to show you clear articles which favor him, I will.

Don't say you know more about a NFL player then someone else ever will, just makes you look like an idiot.

[_Thunder_]

I know PLENTY about Torry Holt, much more than you ever will. Did I say he sucked, no? I say he is OVERRATED. You don't have to be in the top 10 to be overrated, but he is by far treated better than he should be..

If I need to show you statistics, I will. If I need to show you clear articles which favor him, I will.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ic0002.jpg

So you think being treated better is being overrated? :laugh: Your not even worth arguing with :rolleyes:

Pic = me.

And as for you saying you know more about Torry Holt? You have no idea who you are talking to, i've been following his career for 5 years.

[Cyborg Pancake]

Oh yeah, I forgot the rule about when someone has an NFL jersey of a player, I'm not supposed to argue with them because they obviously know more about them.

I would assume you're arguing for him because you LIKE him. Favoritism. Very simple concept.

Anywho, arguing about this *star* if you will is a waste of time if anything. I'd rather argue about someone is actually going to be worth something in upcoming years.

[_Thunder_]

Oh yeah, I forgot the rule about when someone has an NFL jersey of a player, I'm not supposed to argue with them because they obviously know more about them.

I would assume you're arguing for him because you LIKE him. Favoritism. Very simple concept.

Anywho, arguing about this *star* if you will is a waste of time if anything. I'd rather argue about someone is actually going to be worth something in upcoming years.

No, I'm saying I know more because I do. Your just talking out of your ass and want someone else to talk about. Your pathetic. He's a star and anyone can see that has decent eyes, second best player on his team even with his age. Your NFL knowledge is mediocre at best.

[Blexican]

Oh yeah, I forgot the rule about when someone has an NFL jersey of a player, I'm not supposed to argue with them because they obviously know more about them.

I would assume you're arguing for him because you LIKE him. Favoritism. Very simple concept.

Anywho, arguing about this *star* if you will is a waste of time if anything. I'd rather argue about someone is actually going to be worth something in upcoming years.

Marc Bulger has been throwing to him... That would probably be your only arguement that he is overrated. Holt can play.

[Gypsy]

Cell phone camera? >_<

Holt's best days are behind him now, but you can't take away the fact that he has the highest receiving yards per game average for a career...

[_Thunder_]

Cell phone camera? >_<

Holt's best days are behind him now, but you can't take away the fact that he has the highest receiving yards per game average for a career...

lol ya x_x

I can agree with that, I'm not saying hes going to put up a 1,500 yard season but what I am saying is that he is not overrated, everyone knows how old he is, hes just playing average until he retires. No one rates him high.

[Cyborg Pancake]

No, I'm saying I know more because I do. Your just talking out of your ass and want someone else to talk about. Your pathetic. He's a star and anyone can see that has decent eyes, second best player on his team even with his age. Your NFL knowledge is mediocre at best.
I don't mind talking Holt, but when I'm chatting with someone who likes someone because they "like" him/her, there isn't much I can say/do to impress you. You're too busy insulting me and grading my knowledge about the NFL, you have nothing to back the argument up besides "he's the 2nd best on his team", (no shit, rams suck) "he's got some seasons left in him" (everybody does).

FYI, Never did I say Holt sucked.

[Gypsy]

lol ya x_x

I can agree with that, I'm not saying hes going to put up a 1,500 yard season but what I am saying is that he is not overrated, everyone knows how old he is, hes just playing average until he retires. No one rates him high.
Agreed. 2 1,600 yard seasons is impressive as is. He will probably lose that yards per game average (he had a couple seasons over 100 ypg in his prime), he may have already, that was before you factor in this year. He is a good player, 1st ballot HOF? Probably not. Hall of Famer? You bet.

[Cyborg Pancake]

Donnie Avery is takin' over. Haha.

[_Thunder_]

I don't mind talking Holt, but when I'm chatting with someone who likes someone because they "like" him/her, there isn't much I can say/do to impress you. You're too busy insulting me and grading my knowledge about the NFL, you have nothing to back the argument up besides "he's the 2nd best on his team", (no shit, rams suck) "he's got some seasons left in him" (everybody does).

FYI, Never did I say Holt sucked.

Holt's best days are behind him now, but you can't take away the fact that he has the highest receiving yards per game average for a career...

So that doesn't mean anything :rolleyes:

And FYI you said he was overrated and then gave nothing to back it up. If more than 2 people say that your wrong, don't you think you should step back and ask yourself, maybe I was wrong? I'm done with you, more people than me knows your wrong.

Donnie Avery is takin' over. Haha.
I'm glad :) I like donnie too. I'm a rams fan, not a Holt fan. I think he will be great, now we just need a good QB and def. As for your ignorant Haha comment, I have no problem with Holt retiring a good receiver and having another good one take over. Nice try, you fail.

[Cyborg Pancake]

So that doesn't mean anything :rolleyes:

And FYI you said he was overrated and then gave nothing to back it up. If more than 2 people say that your wrong, don't you think you should step back and ask yourself, maybe I was wrong? I'm done with you, more people than me knows your wrong.
Gypsy didn't say I was wrong. Take your head out of your ass and read his post.

You, yourself, standing here arguing in Torry Holt's favor is a clear example of him being overrated.

It's easy, simple, and its too bad you can't get the message. Firstly, tell me he is a top 10-20 receiver, I will laugh at you. Even Donnie Avery, his own teammate has caught him. Even receivers such as Marvin Harrison, Donte Stallworth, and Donald Driver are better than him. That goes without naming the best of the best obviously.

Compare him to someone like Harrison, the two are both aging. Holt has no explosion unlike harrison, no deep speed, and he can't get seperation unlike Harrison. Even true analysts are talking about Harrison's value.

Torry Holt's name should never even be in the same sentence as people like Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, and a buttload of others. Anywho, I'm done here, go tell your buddies about how stupid I am and how I know nothing about the NFL. And then make sure you tell them that you think Torry Holt is worth something.

[_Thunder_]

Gypsy didn't say I was wrong. Take your head out of your ass and read his post.

Torry Holt's name should never even be in the same sentence as people like Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, and a buttload of others. Anywho, I'm done here, go tell your buddies about how stupid I am and how I know nothing about the NFL. And then make sure you tell them that you think Torry Holt is worth something.

1. I never said gypsy agreed with me
2. Who put Torry in that category was it me? No...

Obviously you read or have a friend that puts Torry that high, and your thinking I put him that high as well, once again you give no evidence of why he is overrated. You Fail.

Torry Holt is and was worth something and he's a great receiver. If anyone cares to disagree speak up.

[Cyborg Pancake]

1. I never said gypsy agreed with me
2. Who put Torry in that category was it me? No...

Obviously you read or have a friend that puts Torry that high, and your thinking I put him that high as well, once again you give no evidence of why he is overrated. You Fail.
I fail??? Geez, you just keep getting more original.

Is it possible you could take out the "you fail", find a different filler that maybe (just maybe) supports your argument just a teeenny bit? Oh silly me, my 'fail rate' must be too high.

As for the rest of your post, I just gave you evidence as to why he is overrated. Once again, you must have crap in your eyes. Even so, my argument was not based on how overrated he was, it was how much he was worth. Thank you for your time, but until you start actually putting in the time to write a decent post with a half decent argument in it, I would rather not talk to you. You obviously can't put up with an argument before your level of frustration gets so high you must neg me and say "I fail" while calling me names at the same time.

PS: Why would anyone want to speak up? After seeing how you replied, you obviously have nothing to say or show except a pic with your ass facing the camera.

[_Thunder_]

I fail??? Geez, you just keep getting more original.

Is it possible you could take out the "you fail", find a different filler that maybe (just maybe) supports your argument just a teeenny bit? Oh silly me, my 'fail rate' must be too high.

As for the rest of your post, I just gave you evidence as to why he is overrated. Once again, you must have crap in your eyes. Even so, my argument was not based on how overrated he was, it was how much he was worth. Thank you for your time, but until you start actually putting in the time to write a decent post with a half decent argument in it, I would rather not talk to you. You obviously can't put up with an argument before your level of frustration gets so high you must neg me and say "I fail" while calling me names at the same time.

PS: Why would anyone want to speak up? After seeing how you replied, you obviously have nothing to say or show except a pic with your ass facing the camera.
I told you what I thought of Torry Holt, Gypsy and I have given evidence of why he is not overrated, if you don't want to take that to heart that is not my problem.

. Anywho, I'm done here, go tell your buddies about how stupid I am and how I know nothing about the NFL. And then make sure you tell them that you think Torry Holt is worth something.
:rolleyes:

[Cyborg Pancake]

:rolleyes:
Yeah, if I were you, I'd want me to stop arguing as well, because you obviously have nothing to say.

[_Thunder_]

Yeah, if I were you, I'd want me to stop arguing as well, because you obviously have nothing to say.

I rolled my eyes at you saying you were done. I said something above that if you didn't see. And I'm loving that your still not "done", its cute. :)

[bdog1321]

1. I never said gypsy agreed with me
2. Who put Torry in that category was it me? No...

Obviously you read or have a friend that puts Torry that high, and your thinking I put him that high as well, once again you give no evidence of why he is overrated. You Fail.

Torry Holt is and was worth something and he's a great receiver. If anyone cares to disagree speak up.

Thought you were a 'boys fan? IMO, New Guy's got you. Holt's decent, around the same level as Patrick Crayton I'd say. Sarah Palin's daughter's baby is hyperventilating on TV. Back on topic, it would probably be better for Holt to finish out quietly in St. Louis than go to a big-name team for a big contract and get cut in a few years.

[_Thunder_]

Thought you were a 'boys fan? IMO, New Guy's got you. Holt's decent, around the same level as Patrick Crayton I'd say. Sarah Palin's daughter's baby is hyperventilating on TV. Back on topic, it would probably be better for Holt to finish out quietly in St. Louis than go to a big-name team for a big contract and get cut in a few years.

Boys is my hometown team, Rams are my favs. Did you read all the posts before I start saying how wrong you are by comparing those 2 receivers?

[bdog1321]

Boys is my hometown team, Rams are my favs. Did you read all the posts before I start saying how wrong you are by comparing those 2 receivers?

I read the ones at the beginning, skimmed the rest.

So how wrong am I this time?

[Blexican]

/facepalm

READ THE POSTS

[bdog1321]

I see no mention of how I can't compare those specific receivers. Please, make me look like an idiot with your punishing logic and use of the word fail.

[The Butcher]

Please, make me look like an idiot with your punishing logic and use of the word fail.

http://phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jill/epic_fail.jpg

Football/fail related motivational poster FTW?

No but really, read the thread before you post bdog, come on..

I don't mind talking Holt, but when I'm chatting with someone who likes someone because they "like" him/her, there isn't much I can say/do to impress you. You're too busy insulting me and grading my knowledge about the NFL, you have nothing to back the argument up besides "he's the 2nd best on his team", (no shit, rams suck) "he's got some seasons left in him" (everybody does).


You have not given one SINGLE statistic yet. You are giving out the exact same information as Thunder.

Although, I have to say, Thunder is taking it a little personal for some reason :p

Bengals franchise a kicker, falcons ( i think it was) franchise a punter. Lawlz.

Pats have the best franchise move so far.

[Lost.Boy]

Thought you were a 'boys fan? IMO, New Guy's got you. Holt's decent, around the same level as Patrick Crayton I'd say. Sarah Palin's daughter's baby is hyperventilating on TV. Back on topic, it would probably be better for Holt to finish out quietly in St. Louis than go to a big-name team for a big contract and get cut in a few years.

okay I jsut gotta pick on bdog first because his comment was the most retarted Crayton compared to holt wtf has crayton done compared to holt. Torry is an amazing reciever who drops passes just like Owens. Holt is more then deserving of HOF. Maybe not his first year but he will. Holt has amazing hands if you have ever seen him the only guy who was beating him was chad johnson a few years ago. As for overrated how you come up with that I have no Idea the last time I heard Torry Holt on nfl channel or something was when he got pissed at their coach. Other then that there is barely any mention of him. If you have seen his career at St. Louis it's been nothing near quiet. As soon as he was drafted he was doing things and has great stats. No he can't be yet compared to Rice but then who can rice was amazing. I think if anything he has been way underrated because no one talks about the rams anymore. Except Thunder and Me really. Rams ftw.

[Gypsy]

Torry is an amazing reciever who drops passes just like Owens. Holt is more then deserving of HOF. Maybe not his first year but he will.

That sounds familiar. :D

Oh and TO is a straight up noob, too much of a drama queen for his skill set.

[Cyborg Pancake]

http://phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jill/epic_fail.jpg

Football/fail related motivational poster FTW?

No but really, read the thread before you post bdog, come on..



You have not given one SINGLE statistic yet. You are giving out the exact same information as Thunder.

Although, I have to say, Thunder is taking it a little personal for some reason :p

Bengals franchise a kicker, falcons ( i think it was) franchise a punter. Lawlz.

Pats have the best franchise move so far.
Since when do I have to give statistics? If anyone here cannot agree that Holt had an awful season, or at least a season in which his hall of fame run will not include, they don't know football.

Would you like me to prove this statistically?

3 TD receptions, less than 800 yards receiving. Not really worth saying much more.

[Coffin Fedder]

The Broncos released Dre' Bly to free up some salary cap space apperently. Also, what do you guys think of the Saints cutting McCallister?

[Cyborg Pancake]

The Broncos released Dre' Bly to free up some salary cap space apperently. Also, what do you guys think of the Saints cutting McCallister?
He (McCallister) wasn't needed. They had 3 great backs, he was the oldest, the others are developing into great halfbacks. I'd assume they'll do the same thing they did with McCallister and Bush in previous years, but simply swap out McCallister for Pierre Thomas.

[Lost.Boy]

If your going to change from he is overrated to just his last season don't try to argue anything on here. Your just making bdog look good =\.

Most teams are going to try and free up some cash. Some players the non greedy ones might be willing to redo their contracts to help their teams. Though I would imagine the patriots are going to lose some players soon with effect. Due to the sudden loss of cash.

[Coffin Fedder]

That Lost; and, a lot of there players are old. They have a great rookie linebacker but then they have old ones. I think they're next youngest is Adilus Thomas and I think he's 30?

[bdog1321]

okay I jsut gotta pick on bdog first because his comment was the most retarted Crayton compared to holt wtf has crayton done compared to holt. Torry is an amazing reciever who drops passes just like Owens. Holt is more then deserving of HOF. Maybe not his first year but he will. Holt has amazing hands if you have ever seen him the only guy who was beating him was chad johnson a few years ago. As for overrated how you come up with that I have no Idea the last time I heard Torry Holt on nfl channel or something was when he got pissed at their coach. Other then that there is barely any mention of him. If you have seen his career at St. Louis it's been nothing near quiet. As soon as he was drafted he was doing things and has great stats. No he can't be yet compared to Rice but then who can rice was amazing. I think if anything he has been way underrated because no one talks about the rams anymore. Except Thunder and Me really. Rams ftw.

....lol? I wasn't comparing their CAREERS, I'm comparing them as of now. Sure, Crayton's got Romo throwing to him which gives his stats a boost, but yeah. Yeah, Holt's got great hands. So does Crayton. (Except last year vs. the giants...:dry:) Neither of them are overly fast. Both are solid second or first on a less-than-stellar team receivers.

[Lost.Boy]

Torry is better overrall when being thrown too. He is a much more of a deep threat then crayton and can catch better. Holt has been the rams guy since he got there but their team has just fallen apart hopefully they can at least all stay healthy next year.

Cowboys have amazing recievers roy williams,Owens,Witten,Crayton which is one of their least favored recievers to go to now. He use to get many passes now he doesn't get many witten is the favorite mostly.

Yes they have alot of old guys but they are still solid players who have 2 seasons at least in them even if its not ther best game. Their rookies are doing great but their still going to be tight on cash mostly with their amazing star studded offense.

[bdog1321]

Yeah because Witten's a BEAST :P

[Lost.Boy]

I'll admit to that he came up with lots of catches for them.

[bdog1321]

edit

[_Thunder_]

This is the NFL thread, wtf are you doing.

[bdog1321]

Oh wow I thought i was in that pictures thread. I'll edit it. @_@

[The Butcher]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80edbfe2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I'd take Boldin.. IN A SECOND.

[Coffin Fedder]

Why does everyone seem to think that Detriot needs a QB right away, they still have Culpepper. A little older but he can still throw the ball extremely well. Whos the back- up, umm. What the hell is his name. He can become something if they take the time too work with him but I just don't see that happening.

[Cyborg Pancake]

Why does everyone seem to think that Detriot needs a QB right away, they still have Culpepper. A little older but he can still throw the ball extremely well. Whos the back- up, umm. What the hell is his name. He can become something if they take the time too work with him but I just don't see that happening.
Culpepper sucks. I don't know what you're thinking, but if you had watched ANY of Detroit's games, this would be apparent.

[Rogue_Wolf]

If found the NFL thread on Legends forums, and a person who disagrees with me.

If I'm not back for a while, that's where I'll be.

:D

-Rogue_Wolf

[Knight~of~Honor]

im a major giants fan and very upset that we didnt repeat and i was pulling for the cards in the Super Bowl

[bdog1321]

Damn i hope marvin harrison doesn't go to the eagles. The east is good enough as it is! If he goes to our division though, i'd like to see him on the cowboys.

[The Butcher]

im a major giants fan

ha ha ha ha.

@bdog, We already have a short, old receiver (greg lewis). We don't want him!

GIVE US BOLDIN!!

PS. I say that now, but I know I'll be thrilled if philly picks up Harrison. He's the polar-opposite of T.O., a very modest player and I think he'd do well in Philly.

But i still want Boldin.

[nomar]

That Lost; and, a lot of there players are old. They have a great rookie linebacker but then they have old ones. I think they're next youngest is Adilus Thomas and I think he's 30?

Vradel and Thomas are still very very good LB's. THe DL is still pretty young. Seymore is 29-30 and the other 2 are 27. Our DB's are pretty young as well.

I do hope the Pats go after a Safety in the 1st and DL and LB/TE/OL with their 2 2nds.

Pats are going to be very good again next season.

[The Butcher]

Can you.. change your signature?

It slows my browser down everytime i scroll past one of your posts, and i really don't give a shit about that girl checking herself out :dry:

[_Thunder_]

Vradel and Thomas are still very very good LB's. THe DL is still pretty young. Seymore is 29-30 and the other 2 are 27. Our DB's are pretty young as well.

I do hope the Pats go after a Safety in the 1st and DL and LB/TE/OL with their 2 2nds.

Pats are going to be very good again next season.

I agree. But there is some age growing on them. I still think they will make the playoffs with ease next year. Just if they can finish this time or not is the big question.

[bdog1321]

I agree. But there is some age growing on them. I still think they will make the playoffs with ease next year. Just if they can finish this time or not is the big question.

It's no question, because the boys are taking it. Cowboys pats super bowl would be a thriller though. Wouldn't mind seeing the cardinals get back in and take care of business this time though. Just doesn't seen probable however. So go boys. :P

[Cyborg Pancake]

It's no question, because the boys are taking it. Cowboys pats super bowl would be a thriller though. Wouldn't mind seeing the cardinals get back in and take care of business this time though. Just doesn't seen probable however. So go boys. :P
I think it'll be a while until we see the Cowboys back in the race for a super bowl. Being a Philly fan may contribute to what I think, but personally, it feels as if their staff along with their players is one big mess. I think Wade Phillips is slowing them down a fair amount, and they need Jerry Jones to step up and make some big decisions in regards to their staff. Once they're able to clear the air with them, they can focus on rebuilding their team for the upcoming season(s).

[The Butcher]

The fact that there are people in the world who genuinely love the cowboys makes me want to vomit and hope i choke on it..

I hate anyone who even enjoys the cowboys, that includes you Ross. Sorry buddy :(

[Cyborg Pancake]

The fact that there are people in the world who genuinely love the cowboys makes me want to vomit and hope i choke on it..

I hate anyone who even enjoys the cowboys, that includes you Ross. Sorry buddy :(
Cheers. :)

[Trojan]

Can you.. change your signature?

It slows my browser down everytime i scroll past one of your posts, and i really don't give a shit about that girl checking herself out :dry:

Rep and Private Messages work great too, that way other people don't have to scroll past your post when they are trying to read.


WTF BUCCANEERS?!

2009 will not have:
John Gruden
Jeff Garcia
Derrick Brooks
Warrick Dunn
Cato June
Joey Galloway
Ike Hillard

I am betting they go 4-12 next season.

[The Butcher]

Rep and Private Messages work great too, that way other people don't have to scroll past your post when they are trying to read.


/Troll denied.


WTF BUCCANEERS?!

2009 will not have:
John Gruden
Jeff Garcia
Derrick Brooks
Warrick Dunn
Cato June
Joey Galloway
Ike Hillard

I am betting they go 4-12 next season.

Hey, they still have Rhonde Barber... Can he throw passes too?

Not but seriously, they have to be extending at least 2 of those players no? There's 2 days left.. they can't be struggling for cap money THAT bad?

[Trojan]

You are a jackass.



Hey, they still have Rhonde Barber... Can he throw passes too?

Not but seriously, they have to be extending at least 2 of those players no?

They were all cut within the last few weeks, and of all the guys to franchise tag they tagged Antonio Bryant.

I get they are getting old, but seriously knocking out your head coach and like 6 starters is a bit much in one season.

[The Butcher]

Absolutely agreed,

Bryant was a good tag, but who's going to throw to him? Garcia was doing a pretty damn good job of it this year..

That's a shame.

[Trojan]

Brian Griese, Luke McCown, and Josh Johnson are the QB's left I think.
Fail.

[The Butcher]

I don't even know who Josh Johnson is :rolleyes:

We'll I'll def keep an eye on that situation, i had no idea they were letting so many players go.

[The Cheat]

http://phillyist.com/attachments/philly_jill/epic_fail.jpg

Football/fail related motivational poster FTW?
.

Wow that is so cool!

Considering I posted it a long time ago...:dry:
Damn i hope marvin harrison doesn't go to the eagles. The east is good enough as it is! If he goes to our division though, i'd like to see him on the cowboys.

Who don't you want to the Boys?

My god you are such a superfan. It is so sad...
It's no question, because the boys are taking it. Cowboys pats super bowl would be a thriller though. Wouldn't mind seeing the cardinals get back in and take care of business this time though. Just doesn't seen probable however. So go boys. :P

No question?

I still remember our bet. You will lose.

[bdog1321]

Wow that is so cool!

Considering I posted it a long time ago...:dry:


Who don't you want to the Boys?

My god you are such a superfan. It is so sad...


No question?

I still remember our bet. You will lose.

I don't want Brian Dawkins. :]

And cyborg....I feel exactly opposite. They've got the people. I like what's being SAID by the cowboys - if they can actually do it, then I have no doubt that they'll be a serious contender. Everyone still has them inside the top 3 or 4 as super bowl favorites next year. I think the missing piece was Felix Jones. The NFC East is a division filled with talented running backs. Every team except the Cowboys had a homerun hitter, the guy with the kind of speed that leaves you cussing on the ground as he runs by you. Now, with Felix, the Cowboys have one of their own. If he stays healthy, the Cowboys running attack will be much more respected. In addition, is Tashard Choice, who had a strong showing this year. Using them in a triple-attack like the Giants have, they could be the best or one of the best running back corps of the league.

Tony Romo has vowed accountability. He said he will buckle down and be more strict on the players he leads. If he does this, there should be little so called locker room spats. Same with Wade Phillips, though I believe he won't change at all. He says he's going to be harder on the players this year, but he really just isn't cut out to be a Jimmy Johnson.

No matter what haters say, Romo is one of the best quarterbacks in the league, and with all of the stars aligned (hopefully, this year) the cowboys will be as good as any team in the league.

But, Tom Brady is coming back.

F*ck my life.

[The Cheat]

"if"

"could"

"hopefully"


All the words mean nothing until you "do"

[bdog1321]

Damn dude that looks exactly what I said myself in that post. Maybe you didn't see it....

[Ol' Time]

I think it'll be a while until we see the Cowboys back in the race for a super bowl. Being a Philly fan may contribute to what I think, but personally, it feels as if their staff along with their players is one big mess. I think Wade Phillips is slowing them down a fair amount, and they need Jerry Jones to step up and make some big decisions in regards to their staff. Once they're able to clear the air with them, they can focus on rebuilding their team for the upcoming season(s).

This was completely pulled out of your ass.

I think that itll just be another fine year for them and depending on how everything works out theyll hit the playoffs or they wont. Theyre a fine team , but once the G men get back on their feet I think they can be better than them again.

[Lost.Boy]

Cowboys are goin to suck next year. Just because they aren't a team and with all their talent they lose. Eventually players will leave or coaches will be fired. Wade Phillips will be fired eventually for not performing. I don't think they'll pick from their current staff to replace Phillips they will go find someone though.

Though I like phillies chances :P on a side note.

[KickAssPlaya]

Vradel and Thomas are still very very good LB's. THe DL is still pretty young. Seymore is 29-30 and the other 2 are 27. Our DB's are pretty young as well.

I do hope the Pats go after a Safety in the 1st and DL and LB/TE/OL with their 2 2nds.

Pats are going to be very good again next season.
QFT
blah blah blah
But, Tom Brady is coming back.

F*ck my life.

Yes and with a running game. :eek:


I know I have said it already but just to be sure. Patriots win it all this upcoming season. ;) I'm already taking pre-draft ones. :p

[bdog1321]

QFT


Yes and with a running game. :eek:


I know I have said it already but just to be sure. Patriots win it all this upcoming season. ;) I'm already taking pre-draft ones. :p

Eh I'm not feeling it. They may go 12-4 or 13-3 though. Hey, maybe you'll make it all the way to the big game to get beaten by my boys!

[The Butcher]

Bdog's not "feelin in" KAP...

[Rogue_Wolf]

Cowboys and Patriots fans on the same page?

I'm bailing before I get run over by a bandwagon. :cool:

-Rogue_Wolf

[Cyborg Pancake]

This was completely pulled out of your ass.

Tell me that the Cowboys have a problem-free staff and that will prove to me that you have no idea what you're talking about.

I think that itll just be another fine year for them and depending on how everything works out
Just like I said...

theyll hit the playoffs or they wont.
Um, yes...just like every other team in the league.

Theyre a fine team
Always have been, but as for the previous year, their team was off balanced and unfocused, and in order to fix that they will need to clean up their sideline. Please don't make me repeat myself.

[Coffin Fedder]

B, I wouldn't put them that high. They need to start playing like a team before they get anywhere. Thats something that didn't show all season and I was disappointed in the cowboys. Lets hope they kick themselves in the ass or something.

[Lost.Boy]

How bought them Bucs they let go a few players I heard including brooks? any input on their draft?

[Coffin Fedder]

Umm

Brooks, Dunn, Cato June, and a few other veterens. Only veteren left is Ronde Barber I think.

[Lost.Boy]

Maybe their just trying to go all rookie next season or just find some free agents that are good pick ups.

[Coffin Fedder]

I think they're trying to free up some cap space. Those big guys took up a lot of space. They got arid of Joey Galloway too. But, he's an old reciever still got a lot of speed though

[KickAssPlaya]

Bdog's not "feelin in" KAP...
Ohh..but she is feeling "it". :wink2:
Cowboys and Patriots fans on the same page?

I'm bailing before I get run over by a bandwagon. :cool:

-Rogue_Wolf
Never. Me and bdog always arguing lol. Patriots re winning it all. NFC doesn't matter cause they are the sux!! :cool:

[The Butcher]

Tell me that the Cowboys have a problem-free staff and that will prove to me that you have no idea what you're talking about.


Just like I said...


Um, yes...just like every other team in the league.


Always have been, but as for the previous year, their team was off balanced and unfocused, and in order to fix that they will need to clean up their sideline. Please don't make me repeat myself.

Shut up, you can't even add.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ef3b80&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

If I (and by "I" I mean the Eagles) could have any player on that list, I'd have to go with Coles. I've always been a big fan of him. But Philly already has a small receiver who can catch the deep ball, they need a bigger player. That's where "Who'syourmama" fits in.. I didn't know he was a free agent.

Someone get Lurie on the phone so i can talk to him!

[Cyborg Pancake]

If I (and by "I" I mean the Eagles) could have any player on that list, I'd have to go with Coles. I've always been a big fan of him. But Philly already has a small receiver who can catch the deep ball, they need a bigger player. That's where "Who'syourmama" fits in.. I didn't know he was a free agent.


It was worth replying to until this.

[The Butcher]

It was worth replying to until this.

But that was the whole point of ....

Oh I see what you did there.

It was weak.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Albert Haynesworth left the Titans for... for... the Washington Redskins!!! :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

Somebody, hold meh!!!

:crybaby:

-Rogue_Wolf

[Cross-Fire]

/Holds :p

[Lost.Boy]

Wow. The Redskins of all teams O.o thats unexpected how much money was involved?

[The Butcher]

A shit load.

About $100,000,000 for 7 years I believe.

[Lost.Boy]

5 shit loads.

[bdog1321]

SHIT. Now the redskins defense is respectable. The 2 games against them next year just got a lot more interesting.

And LB it really wasn't unexpected. Name 5 players on the Redskins defense off of memory besides DeAngelo Hall. Hard, huh? They've got a no-name defense...er, had*

[Rogue_Wolf]

And LB it really wasn't unexpected. Name 5 players on the Redskins defense off of memory besides DeAngelo Hall. Hard, huh? They've got a no-name defense...er, had*

Carlos Rogers, Jason Taylor, London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, Rocky McIntosh, Andre Carter, LaRon Landry, Chris Horton...

The DT's are where I got hung up on, and now they have the best DT in the NFL.

Ya'll have fun with that.

-Rogue_Wolf

[bdog1321]

Carlos Rogers, Jason Taylor, London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, Rocky McIntosh, Andre Carter, LaRon Landry, Chris Horton...

The DT's are where I got hung up on, and now they have the best DT in the NFL.

Ya'll have fun with that.

-Rogue_Wolf

You're not supposed to make me look stupid. No one can prove it wasn't just google anyways....unless you're a skins fan? I only knew DeAngelo and Jason and my team plays them twice every year. @_@

[Coffin Fedder]

Carlos Rogers, Jason Taylor, London Fletcher, Marcus Washington, Rocky McIntosh, Andre Carter, LaRon Landry, Chris Horton...

The DT's are where I got hung up on, and now they have the best DT in the NFL.

Ya'll have fun with that.

-Rogue_Wolf

LaVar Arrington, Marcus Washington.... Laron Laundry, Sean Taylor. Fred Smoot. ( Yes i named some old players

Woops, I thought I read your post. I was reading Bdog's quote, sorry bud. But, Dog. Shush. They've always had a decent defense.

[Rogue_Wolf]

You're not supposed to make me look stupid. No one can prove it wasn't just google anyways....unless you're a skins fan? I only knew DeAngelo and Jason and my team plays them twice every year. @_@

I can assure you it wasn't Google. :)

And no, I'm a Titans fan. I actually don't follow the Redskins too closely.

-Rogue_Wolf

[bdog1321]

Well then my foot just gained another hole. :]

[Rogue_Wolf]

Lol, don't worry about it man. I have 2,500 posts on an NFL forum, so I know more than your average bear. No way ya could have known.

I totally got your point tho. Was just givin' ya a hard time. ;)

-Rogue_Wolf

[Coffin Fedder]

So, Bart Scotts playing for the Jets now.. The Patriots got Fred Taylor.. Hmm. A little weird.

[bdog1321]

Hmm. Well I heard something interesting about Ray Lewis today. Apparently, he is NOT returning to Baltimore. He says that if he cannot find work with a team for the price he wants, he will simply retire. This is wrong, because he should be able to find work if not at the current price, then at something reduced. He has expressed interest in joining the Cowboys, so he still wants to play football. If he wants to play, and cannot find a team willing to play his price, he should take a pay cut. That would open the doors for many a team that is sort of strapped for cash such as the Cowboys. :] But not just the Cowboys, I'm sure that if he comes to his senses and lowers his tag, many teams will see the benefits he brings and jump for him.

[The Cheat]

A shit load.

About $100,000,000 for 7 years I believe.

And $41 Million of he he gets to keep no matter what.

Hmm. Well I heard something interesting about Ray Lewis today. Apparently, he is NOT returning to Baltimore. He says that if he cannot find work with a team for the price he wants, he will simply retire. This is wrong, because he should be able to find work if not at the current price, then at something reduced. He has expressed interest in joining the Cowboys, so he still wants to play football. If he wants to play, and cannot find a team willing to play his price, he should take a pay cut. That would open the doors for many a team that is sort of strapped for cash such as the Cowboys. :] But not just the Cowboys, I'm sure that if he comes to his senses and lowers his tag, many teams will see the benefits he brings and jump for him.


/facepalm


Dude....That story came out like a week ago.....

Get with the program...

[bdog1321]

And $41 Million of he he gets to keep no matter what.




/facepalm


Dude....That story came out like a week ago.....

Get with the program...

I am deeply sorrowed to hear of your displeasure. I will try to conform to your likes in my posts from now on. BLOW ME. :]

[The Cheat]

I am deeply sorrowed to hear of your displeasure. I will try to conform to your likes in my posts from now on. BLOW ME. :]

All I was pointing out is a storyabout your "super" cowboys that is a week old. Seems like a superfan would already know about it....since it was on ESPN for days.

Blow you? No thank you. I'm not like that. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[bdog1321]

All I was pointing out is a storyabout your "super" cowboys that is a week old. Seems like a superfan would already know about it....since it was on ESPN for days.

Blow you? No thank you. I'm not like that. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I don't watch much TV.

And the blow me bit, I was kidding man. :P

[Coffin Fedder]

I am deeply sorrowed to hear of your displeasure. I will try to conform to your likes in my posts from now on. BLOW ME. :]

Anybody who goes to NFL.com or watches sportscenter knew about that weeks okay. Don't be an asshole okay? That's why people don't like you around here, your just a creepy little bastard who seems to be ignorant and all knowing. So go get laid or something seriously, take some of the edge off. It could do you some good you little shit.

[Trojan]

I hope Colt Brennan gets a shot at competing for the starting position.

[Coffin Fedder]

THANK YOU, SOMEONE FINALLY AGREES WITH ME.
The kid proved himself in college, I want to see him do something in the NFL. You can tell he has the talent.

[Cyborg Pancake]

F the redskins.

x2.

[bdog1321]

I just read brian dawkins signed with the broncos. True? If so, Damn.

And Matt Cassel has just been traded to the chiefs. o.O so was Mike Vrabel? Why?

"Dawkins joins former Eagles teammate Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington, Jabar Gaffney and Renaldo Hill as recent pick ups by the busy Broncos."

That from NFL.com....I'm scared of the Broncos next year. I knew they had like 40 mill in cap space...but damn man. I wonder why the Pats are getting rid of all those good players? Jabar, Vrabel, Cassel was kind of expected. Must be planning for a juggernaut-like splash in the draft this year.

[Lost.Boy]

Dawkins has not been confirmed as a bronco. Patriots are just refreshing a team jabar was one of their lesser threats. Vrabel decent but he is getting up there. Cassel should be a good chief and is probably better of with the chiefs where he should be their starter.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Matt Cassel to the Chiefs for undisclosed draft picks.

-Rogue_Wolf

[bdog1321]

Dawking IS going to the broncos....http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80efe6f7&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

AND THE COWBOYS JUST TOOK JON KITNA. WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

[*Sanosuke*]

So....Im unsatisfied that they used a franchise tag on Peppers. He doesn't want to be with Carolina anymore...He wont be as productive as last year...-sigh- I want a new QB btw. Choke Delhomme is not worthy.

[bdog1321]

So....Im unsatisfied that they used a franchise tag on Peppers. He doesn't want to be with Carolina anymore...He wont be as productive as last year...-sigh- I want a new QB btw. Choke Delhomme is not worthy.

SCREW THAT, Jon KITNA IS ON THE COWBOYS! Yes, THAT JON KITNA! Lol. But yeah, the Panthers should have just cut their losses and tried to get as much for him as they could, rather than try and keep him contained while he's so disgruntled.

[*Sanosuke*]

He would have stayed if they won the super bowl. Oh welps. We'll find something/someone in the Second Round of the Draft.

[The Butcher]

My favorite player to the broncos after 13 years with Philly.

Ouch. :(

[bdog1321]

Broncos' gonna be pwnzor next year.

Apparently the Cowboys traded anthony henry for Kitna. WTF.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Don't worry bdog. Ya'll drafted Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick last year. Henry was expendable, old, and ya'll brought in a backup that won't fall on his face like Brad Johnson.

Plus, if all else fails, ya'll can just bring back PacMan... :D

-Rogue_Wolf