For NFL Fans

[The Cheat]

Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald and Pittsburgh Steelers safety Troy Polamalu will both be on the cover of Electronic Arts Inc.’s “Madden NFL” video game.

It marks the first time in the 21-year history of the game, named after Pro Football Hall of Famer John Madden, that two athletes will grace its cover. With more than 65 million copies sold since it was first released, it’s the best selling sports video game.

“Madden NFL” will be on retail shelves on Aug. 14, the Redwood City, California-based company said in a Business Wire release.

[The Butcher]

I'm also excited.

Instead of our offense having big ups and big downs, we will be able to still be effective when our stars get hurt (which they always do). Injuries won't hurt as much. Yay for depth.

Heard rumors that McNabb's contract is being renewed, I think that's a good idea. I'm really not comfortable with handing the team over to Kevin Kolb anytime soon. McNabb has proven he can make it to the big game, and I think if he gets another chance he's won't blow it again. It looks like they have the offensive playmakers this season, if like you said, everyone stays healthy.

It's the best off-season I've seen in a while and i really didnt expect that after losing dawkins. Wish he was still here.

@ TC, good choices for the cover.

[meat.eater]

Weird combination. I wonder if the curse can have effect on multiple people.

Plus! Fitz has already been on a video game! Not fair!

PS: I hate that Chung went to the Pats.

[The Butcher]

Plus! Fitz has already been on a video game! Not fair!


You would know that :p

[The Cheat]

EA is just trying to "disprove" the curse by having two people who are not only good, but don't get hurt on the cover.

Accept the curse EA. We all have.

[The Butcher]

EA is just trying to "disprove" the curse by having two people who are not only good, but don't get hurt on the cover.

Accept the curse EA. We all have.

Polamalu missed a few games last year due to injury.

[meat.eater]

You would know that :p

NCAA Football 2005, dude. One of the better NCAA games. First game to introduce the match up stick. 08 is the best so far (09 is pretty good too) with the new recruiting system. 05 has Fitz on the cover. 08 has Zabranzsky, which is a TERRIBLE choice.

Of course, even though the gameplay was kind of lame, 03 will always have a place in my heart... <3 Joey Harrington.

PS: Ncaa Football 10 has Crabtree. It's a sick cover.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/af/EANCAAFootball10Xbox360LowRes.jpg/250px-EANCAAFootball10Xbox360LowRes.jpg

All the other people suck on their respective covers.... Brian Johnson, Sanchez.... lame. Good thing I only care about the 360 cover.
I wonder if Madden will have multiple covers ever. I like the multiple athletes, though.

[The Cheat]

Polamalu missed a few games last year due to injury.

A few but nothing major.


Meat: NCAA games and college football in general sucks.

[The Butcher]

NCAA Football 2005, dude. One of the better NCAA games. First game to introduce the match up stick. 08 is the best so far (09 is pretty good too) with the new recruiting system. 05 has Fitz on the cover. 08 has Zabranzsky, which is a TERRIBLE choice.

Of course, even though the gameplay was kind of lame, 03 will always have a place in my heart... <3 Joey Harrington.

PS: Ncaa Football 10 has Crabtree. It's a sick cover.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/af/EANCAAFootball10Xbox360LowRes.jpg/250px-EANCAAFootball10Xbox360LowRes.jpg

I know what game it is, I also knew that you would know ;)

That is a nice cover for 2010.

[meat.eater]

A few but nothing major.


Meat: NCAA games and college football in general sucks.

You obviously don't go to a D1 school.

[The Cheat]

A few but nothing major.


Meat: NCAA games and college football in general sucks.


Butch...what part of my post did you not understand?

[The Butcher]

Butch...what part of my post did you not understand?

Lol.

I don't like college games either, but that cover is sweet.

[The Cheat]

Lol.

I don't like college games either, but that cover is sweet.

Who cares about the damn cover?

I worry about the game. :dry:

[meat.eater]

Are you kidding me? SO many more big plays and risky plays and crucial calls and interesting matchups happen in college ball. Don't get me wrong, I love the NFL, too, but it's such a slow grind out--because all of the players are pretty close to the same talent as one another.

In college ball, you can watch your stars shine and look to their future. You can watch head coaches win chess matches with each other. And don't EVEN try to convince me that the NFL playoffs are more invigorating than BCS Bowl Week, because you're wrong.

Nobody in the NFL puts their body on the line or steps up to make a big play because they're concerned about getting hurt or getting a salary cut or getting benched. All of those stipulations don't exist in D1--it's just real, young guys doing what they do for the love of the game.

I guess you'd never understand until you stood in the student section of Autzen stadium (or any D1 school, but Autzen is notoriously crazy) for three hours. Beats any NFL game.

[The Cheat]

I have argued why College football sucks many times.

I have made a thread devoted to why the BCS sucks.

I am not in the mood to go on another long rant about it.

This is neither the time nor the place.



BTW I never watch the Bull Crap Series "Bowl" week. I refuse to based on principle.

[meat.eater]

I agree that college ball needs a playoff too. But the games themselves are much more entertaining.

[pils]

College games do have bigger plays than NFL games... All the college games I have ever watched have had crazier plays than what I usually see in the NFL...
That equates to it being better, in my opinion... But the reason I don't watch college football basically comes down to me being to lazy to devote the time to watching it/really getting into it. (In part because the college I go to is just some little tech. school...)

[The Butcher]

Nobody in the NFL puts their body on the line or steps up to make a big play because they're concerned about getting hurt or getting a salary cut or getting benched.

This statement is a crock of shit.

Even selfish players like TO have played injured to try and win the big games. Brian westbrook played 2 games last year with 2 broken ribs. You ever had a broken rib? You can like college ball all you want, I didn't go to a college witha football program so that's why I dont care, but the above statement is simply UNTRUE and a unfair to the athetles who play through pain every game.

/rant

[The Cheat]

I am going to stay out of this one.

[meat.eater]

This statement is a crock of shit.

Even selfish players like TO have played injured to try and win the big games. Brian westbrook played 2 games last year with 2 broken ribs. You ever had a broken rib? You can like college ball all you want, I didn't go to a college witha football program so that's why I dont care, but the above statement is simply UNTRUE and a unfair to the athetles who play through pain every game.

/rant

Okay. Nobody but two people step up and put their body on the line. I'm willing to bet I could name infinitely more people who pansied out than you could name who stepped up.

I mean, honestly, it makes sense. You get a career ending injury... and well... you dont have a career and have no financial stability. NFL players dont get awesome jobs when they're 40. But it makes many of them, especially the skills positions and linebackers, play a lot more timid. Why do you think the NFL has certain people we love to watch? Ray Lewis, MJD (great example), LaDanian of 07 (before the trainers convinced him to be a pussy), Michael Vick (before, well.. you know), Chad Johnson, Ed Reed. Those were the people who DID put their bodies on the line. Yeah Brett Favre has great numbers, but you might as well nail a stake through my foot instead of watching him.

[pils]

Still doesn't change the fact that there are people who have stepped up, and played injured, for their NFL teams...

[The Butcher]

Okay. Nobody but two people step up and put their body on the line. I'm willing to bet I could name infinitely more people who pansied out than you could name who stepped up.

I mean, honestly, it makes sense. You get a career ending injury... and well... you dont have a career and have no financial stability. NFL players dont get awesome jobs when they're 40. But it makes many of them, especially the skills positions and linebackers, play a lot more timid.

Apparantly you've never watched a NFL game. The NFL is not "timid". The 2 players that I named were only Philly players who played games that I actually watched, I'd like to see a guard or tackle in the NFL that doesn't break a finger or wrist at least once a season. There's guys out there playing with casts on both arms. You're being ridiculous saying that the players in the NFL don't step up, seriously. Ridiculous.

You can argue that College ball is more entertaining to watch all you want, but saying NFL player don't step up because he is afraid of injury is downright disgraceful. The guys playing in the trenchs absorb more abuse and injury in a season then a college players does in his entire tenure.

[bdog1321]

http://blackdcc.net/page22.html

Nuff said. NFL > College.

[meat.eater]

I'm not saying it isnt physically strenuous, it's more so. You're not going to find many professional athletes in general who dont break a finger or wrist several times in their career.

Look, the learning curve of the NFL isn't that large from college to pro. That's why you see SO many rookie starters in the NFL compared to any other sport around. It's based almost entirely off physical prowess, and the thinking is left to the coaches... very few positions actually have to adjust in the course of a play (which is why I find basketball much more entetaining to watch anyways--but the conversation of NBA to NCAA basketball is a no brainer because the learning curve in the NBA is HUGE, so college ball is kind of boring for basketball).

This essentially makes the NFL two immovable objects smacking into each other for the course of the game (the average rushing play goes for like 2.3 ypc or something compared to like 6.5 ypc in college), and they slowly make it to one end of the field or the other. Even absolutely shitty teams are incredibly close in skill to the best teams in the NFL based on physical prowess; the better teams are simply more consistent or get a lucky season and dont get plagued by injury. You get maybe 3 or 4 "big plays" per NFL game--you get 20 or 30 in a college game.

That's because there ARE people who are simply physically better than others in college ball--the ones who make the NFL. A solid senior in college could be playing for the NFL, because there is little learning curve. So you get to watch them put their bodies on the line and make big plays against the other team, whereas in the NFL they simply don't make the big plays either because they don't want to get injured or because everyone is so close to the same physical ability at the professional level. Which makes college games either incredibly close and high scoring, or blowouts. The NFL, by nature, is low scoring and close.

Still fun to watch, and I do watch it, but not as fun. In my opinion.

EDIT: Emmitt Smith is one of the most overrated running backs in history, running behind one of the best (and perhaps underrated) offensive lines in NFL history.

[The Butcher]

For the record, and I'm pretty sure Ev knows this,

I'm not arguing which is better. Everyone knows im obsessed with the Eagles and I could really care less if you like them or not, or if you like a different sport I don't care. As long as I can love the eagles, then I dont care what you do. (Unless you are a redskins/cowboys/giants fan, then I have a problem with you :bigsmile: )

All I am arguing is against ev's statement that NFL players don't put their bodies on the line, which was BS. That's all. It's common knowledge that the NFL is a highler level of playing the college, that's what you strive for. The players who don't try to make plays because they are scared of getting hurt don't make it past college, and if they do squeak into the NFL, they don't last. See Todd Pinkston.

@ Evan's post:

What you said just now is fine, you are giving your reasons for why you like college football better then the nFL, i have no problem with that. In fact you are right about the fact that NFL games are usually very close, because of the tremendous amoutn of talent on both sides of the ball.

How that translated to "NFL players don't put their bodies on the line like college players" I have no idea, because its more the opposite. The risk of injury and amount of physical abuse probably quadruples when you go from college to the NFL.

[meat.eater]

For the record, and I'm pretty sure Ev knows this,

I'm not arguing which is better. Everyone knows im obsessed with the Eagles and I could really care less if you like them or not, or if you like a different sport I don't care. As long as I can love the eagles, then I dont care what you do. (Unless you are a redskins/cowboys/giants fan, then I have a problem with you :bigsmile: )

All I am arguing is against ev's statement that NFL players don't put their bodies on the line, which was BS. That's all. It's common knowledge that the NFL is a highler level of playing the college, that's what you strive for. The players who don't try to make plays because they are scared of getting hurt don't make it past college, and if they do squeak into the NFL, they don't last. See Todd Pinkston.

@ Evan's post:

What you said just now is fine, you are giving your reasons for why you like college football better then the nFL, i have no problem with that. In fact you are right about the fact that NFL games are usually very close, because of the tremendous amoutn of talent on both sides of the ball.

How that translated to "NFL players don't put their bodies on the line like college players" I have no idea, because its more the opposite. The risk of injury and amount of physical abuse probably quadruples when you go from college to the NFL.

Exactly. The risk of injury IS greater in the NFL because of the physical attributes of all the players. Which is why players and coaches alike don't take very many risks. That's what I mean by "putting your body on the line to make a big play." Taking a risk. Risks in sports have a greater chance of translating into spectacular plays or injuries.

And I know you love your Eagles. I love that you love your Eagles. And don't worry, I like them more than the other 3 teams you listed. :)

[The Butcher]

Which is why players and coaches alike don't take very many risks.

Well I'm sorry you think that way, because you're wrong. We'll chat about it on XBL later, I gotta jet for now.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I think that college ball is better for one simple reason:

Meat kind of touched on it before, with saying that NFL players tend to not play 100% to risk getting injured.

In the NFL, you have guys like Chad Johnson, and LaDanian Tomlinson. Regardless of their attitudes or skills (I mean, LT had one hell of a crappy season last year in comparison to his 07 season). Chad doesn't want to play for the Bengals, and LT is at the end of his career (I give him 2 more seasons at most) but both of these players will be starting. Granted, Sproles isn't exactly a 3 down back, and can't take 20 carries a game.

Take a look at college ball, regardless of a player's skill, he still has to EARN his spot on the starting roster. College players are always working to become a starter. Even guys like Tim Tebow, a 2 time Heisman winner, can lose his spot if the guy behind him on the roster earns a starting role.

College games are more intense than the NFL in my eyes because the players all WANT to play more than those in the NFL. Why bother playing with everything you have in your tank when you know you're a starter? Prime example is Tom Brady. Rather than giving Cassel a chance to be the continuous starter in New England, they traded him. Of course, the odds of him beating Brady are slim to none, but the chance is STILL there.

I've always loved the NFL, and always will, but I find that college games are just more intense to watch.

[bdog1321]

blah bah blah

EDIT: Emmitt Smith is one of the most overrated running backs in history, running behind one of the best (and perhaps underrated) offensive lines in NFL history.

There is this thing called a DEFENSE one has to get by to become the all-time leading rusher. You KNOW he didn't have that line throughout his career.

[meat.eater]

Here's the real question.

How many times in the NFL playoffs has a team gone for two for the win instead of kicking the field goal and going into overtime?
How many in college BCS? That's what I mean by taking risks.

[meat.eater]

There is this thing called a DEFENSE one has to get by to become the all-time leading rusher. You KNOW he didn't have that line throughout his career.

Smith played more seasons than the average RB and he had an all star line for 80% of his career. Sorry, but Smith did very little on his own. Edgerrin James probably has more broken tackles than Smith did in his whole career.

[bdog1321]

Smith played more seasons than the average RB and he had an all star line for 80% of his career. Sorry, but Smith did very little on his own. Edgerrin James probably has more broken tackles than Smith did in his whole career.

And Marion Barber is going to overtake them both. o.O Still think Emmitt was a great though. Have you ever seen him in his prime?

[Coffin Fedder]

Marion Barber won't beat any of them out. He's too overrated in my book, he's got some legs and can break a tackle. But, when he doesn't have a block half the time he can't do anything. He's a good running back but, he has a lot of threats with the recievers, the QB, hell, even the HB's behind them. If he was a single halfback like Smith was he'd be terrible.

[meat.eater]

Of course I saw him in his "prime." I also saw that the Cowboys did NOTHING but hand him the ball behind that line of his and that he has 600 more carries than any other back in history. It doesn't mean jack. Look at the ypc. I'll let you look at the stats.

http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/NFL-All-Time-Rushing-Leaders/

Smith carried the ball 1400 more times than Barry Sanders and only had 3000 more yards. Even if Barry had ran 3 ypc for 1400 more carries (and he wouldn't have, he ran about 5ypc), he would have blown Smith out of the water. Same thing with Payton. Give him 600 more carries at 3 ypc and Emmitt is a good thousand yards back.

You can do that with virtually everyone listed on that list. And most of them (with the exception of Payton and Marshall Faulk and Ricky Watters) didn't have one of the best O-Lines in the history of the sport.

The best running back in history, without question in my mind, is Barry Sanders.

[bdog1321]

Marion Barber won't beat any of them out. He's too overrated in my book, he's got some legs and can break a tackle. But, when he doesn't have a block half the time he can't do anything. He's a good running back but, he has a lot of threats with the recievers, the QB, hell, even the HB's behind them. If he was a single halfback like Smith was he'd be terrible.

He IS more effective when he's used sparingly. I actually disagree heartily with you (shocker!). He played a lot hurt this season, and didn't do well. Plus, he isn't an every down back. In 2007, when he was used behind Julius Jones, he ripped off explosive plays it seemed every drive. I think Tashard Choice should start, Felix be the lightning strike occasionally, and have Marion close it out, because it can't be argued he's one of the best closing backs in the league.

@meat, I wasn't saying he's the all time best running back, just that he didn't get those stats by sucking. Even if his stats were made by longevity, how many backs can last that long? You can say it's because of his O-line but IDTS.

[Nitanius Nolund]

The best running back in history, without question in my mind, is Barry Sanders.

Quoted for truth. And I'm not a Lions fan in the least :p

[KickAssPlaya]

This sums up the draft.


NFC:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-09nfcdraftgrades042709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns



AFC:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkE_05EgCKtf_v0Htr5AI4nhMMQF?slug=jc-09afcdraftgrades042709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

You find articles that are complete opposites..one says patriots had a bad draft..the other says a good draft. :X

Ps what is "idts"??

[bdog1321]

I don't think so.

[The Butcher]

The best running back in history, without question in my mind, is Barry Sanders.

Wrong again,

Jim Brown is the correct answer.

[_Thunder_]

Wrong again,

Jim Brown is the correct answer.

Wrong AGAIN, the correct answer is Emmitt Smith.

[The Butcher]

Wrong AGAIN, the correct answer is Emmitt Smith.

I lol'd.

[KickAssPlaya]

I lol'd.

Me too.

PS Jamal Anderson was the best RB.

[meat.eater]

Based on YPC it's either Sanders or Brown. But considering the time that they played and the teams they played for, I would have to say Barry is the better back.

[Lex]

Besides, Barry played for Oklahoma State, he's clearly better.

[Coffin Fedder]

You guys will laugh at me, but; I've always been a Eddie George guy. Also, Tom Brady's got one of a hell back-up. They signed that outstanding QB from MSU. Great backup. I think my Falcons picked up the guy from Alabama, Parker Wilson (I think his name is) I didn't really watch any Bama games but from what I hear he's decent.

[Blexican]

I think deciding the better back is just preference and your favorite kind of back. I like Sanders cause he was without a doubt the most elusive back.

Brown broke just about every tackle. Complete bulldozer back.

[meat.eater]

You guys will laugh at me, but; I've always been a Eddie George guy. Also, Tom Brady's got one of a hell back-up. They signed that outstanding QB from MSU. Great backup. I think my Falcons picked up the guy from Alabama, Parker Wilson (I think his name is) I didn't really watch any Bama games but from what I hear he's decent.

EG's season of glory is one of the best single season back performances ever (as are Marshall Faulk's super bowl run, Tomlinsin's insane 2007, Terrell Davis' miracle season with the Broncos, Priest Holmes unstoppable 2006 on the Chiefs, etc). But not best career back.

[The Butcher]

Jim Brown was record setting in both college and NFL. He was the best.

Jamal Anderson.... :rofl:

[Trojan]

ICollege players are always working to become a starter. Even guys like Tim Tebow, a 2 time Heisman winner, can lose his spot if the guy behind him on the roster earns a starting role.

Tebow has one Heisman. Archie Griffin is the only 2 time winner of the heisman. Bradford won the Heisman last year in case you all forgot.

[The Butcher]

Tebow has one Heisman. Archie Griffin is the only 2 time winner of the heisman. Bradford won the Heisman last year in case you all forgot.

QFT, tebow was runner up the year before he won, if I'm not mistaken. That's probably what you were thinking of, IROK.

Care to weigh in on the "Greatest Running Back of All Time" discussion hulky?

[Trojan]

Eveyone saying Barry Sanders is the best, do you remember those years at all?
You can't say Emmitt Smith used his amazing line as a bad thing against him, that is what you are supposed to do. Barry Sanders didn't use his line. He would run miss holes and point at individuals he wanted knocked down and do a sweep. The Titans would have the same thing in Chris Johnson if they too wanted a 1-5 playoff record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvNdTSWob84

Butcher: Tebow (Florida) won his sophmore year, and was a runner up his junior year but Sam Bradford (Oklahoma)won. Although the Gators beat the Sooners in the BCS bowl.

Edit: You win games on ball control 1st downs and consistency. That's a Brandon Jacobs/Edie George style. 4 yards, 3 yards, 3 yards, first down. 3 yards, 4 yards, 3 yards, first down. 2 yards TD. That's how you win, betting on homeruns is how you never win a big game.

[The Butcher]

Eveyone saying Barry Sanders is the best, do you remember those years at all?
You can't say Emmitt Smith used his amazing line, that is what you are supposed to do. Barry Sanders didn't use his line. He would run miss holes point at individuals he wanted knocked down and do a sweep. The Titans would have the same thing in Chris Johnson if they too wanted a 1-5 playoff record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvNdTSWob84

So you are saying you don't like Sanders? Whose your pick then?

@Tebow, I was reversed.

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6cCXNBeVfc Look at the first comment on the video by 44032 or something, i mean the latest one. Well said.

[The Cheat]

You find articles that are complete opposites..one says patriots had a bad draft..the other says a good draft. :X

Ps what is "idts"??

I only post what I find on Yahoo. Nothing more.


Sanders was the best followed by Brown.


But don't forget Walter Payton or Gale Sayers (sp)


Tebow is the Tom Brady of college ball. Rumor has it ESPN might declare Tebow a living God next season.

[The Butcher]

Sanders was the best followed by Brown.


Two totally different styled runners. Brown was a freight train and Barry liked to dance around. Statistically Jim Brown owned Barry Sanders, unless I'm gravely mistaken. I'm dreading have to pull all the numbers I was hoping hulky would do that for us :p

That's a great Jim Brown video I posted a few posts up by the way, very well done video good music great clips, lots of vintage stuff. Check it out.

[The Cheat]

But you have to admit,

Barry Sanders quit while in his prime. He had a few more good years left when he retired.

[The Butcher]

But you have to admit,

Barry Sanders quit while in his prime. He had a few more good years left when he retired.

He shouldn't have done that ;)

[bdog1321]

Well cheat, looks like i'm in pretty good position to win our bet.

[The Butcher]

Well cheat, looks like i'm in pretty good position to win our bet.

Lol,

Its April,

What makes you say that?

[bdog1321]

Lol,

Its April,

What makes you say that?

Isaiah Stanback.

[The Butcher]

Isaiah Stanback.

If you had said you drafted Jesus Christ, then maybe you'd be "on your way to winning a superbowl 10 MONTHS FROM NOW".... :rolleyes:

Pace yourself, bdog. You'll lose eventually ;)

[bdog1321]

If you had said you drafted Jesus Christ, then maybe you'd be "on your way to winning a superbowl 10 MONTHS FROM NOW".... :rolleyes:

Pace yourself, bdog. You'll lose eventually ;)

O.o You've heard of stanback?

[The Butcher]

O.o You've heard of stanback?

No what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what ONE person your team may have picked up or whatever it is you are talking about, the bet is that your team wins THE SUPERBOWL which is 10 months from now.

Saying you are in a pretty good position to win the bet already is just dumb. That's all.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I will speak like a true Denver fan now.

John Elway was the best running back in NFL history.

Oh, and my bad on Tebow. I forgot he was only runner up to Bradford.

[The Cheat]

He shouldn't have done that ;)

But he did.

He got bored playing with the Lions.
If you had said you drafted Jesus Christ, then maybe you'd be "on your way to winning a superbowl 10 MONTHS FROM NOW".... :rolleyes:

Pace yourself, bdog. You'll lose eventually ;)

QFT.
No what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what ONE person your team may have picked up or whatever it is you are talking about, the bet is that your team wins THE SUPERBOWL which is 10 months from now.

Saying you are in a pretty good position to win the bet already is just dumb. That's all.

There after all no I in team.

But there is a T in TO.

OR

There is no I in team. But there is a ME.

But for real...no one can say who is going to win. Did anyone really have the Cards playing Pitt last year? No.
I will speak like a true Denver fan now.

John Elway was the best running back in NFL history.

Oh, and my bad on Tebow. I forgot he was only runner up to Bradford.

But he played QB?

I hate Elway. I have to.
Isaiah Stanback.

Who?

[The Butcher]

He's a receiver/returner that dallas drafted in 07 and has a jaw-dropping 70 or so yards to his name in 2 seasons. 0 receptions.

I guess maybe it was a joke, I dunno. Either way, fail.

[Gypsy]

As an Eagles hater I can admit that Philly owned this draft. Hard to judge a draft now but Maclin will play and so will McCoy (beast alert). Ingram and Harris were also great picks for the point they got them in the draft. I'd say looking at it right now it is one of the top 3 drafts. Browns and Bears didn't do too bad either.

The Chiefs draft just baffles me. :/

[The Butcher]

As an Eagles hater I can admit that Philly owned this draft. Hard to judge a draft now but Maclin will play and so will McCoy (beast alert). Ingram and Harris were also great picks for the point they got them in the draft.


Yes I'm really happy with how the draft went for us (us meaning the Philadelphia fan base, I'm not on the team).

[Gypsy]

Hey kids!

I made a fantasy league for tao. 12 team league. Fairly standard scoring with some quirks. Such as small bonuses for 400+ yard passing games, 200+ yard rushing games etc...

The league is on espn.

You can register and espn account here (https://r.espn.go.com/members/register?registrationFormId=espn&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2F).

http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leagueoffice?leagueId=18497

The league is in fact private currently so I need to invite you.

Edit: Invites work fine, I just invited Phoenix. I need the e-mail you registered with espn and the name you put down.

The draft will be live and is scheduled for the first Monday in July.

[bdog1321]

He's a receiver/returner that dallas drafted in 07 and has a jaw-dropping 70 or so yards to his name in 2 seasons. 0 receptions.

I guess maybe it was a joke, I dunno. Either way, fail.

Omg not the eff word! And yeah it was a joke stanny sucks.

[The Butcher]

Hey kids!

I made a fantasy league for tao. 12 team league. Fairly standard scoring with some quirks. Such as small bonuses for 400+ yard passing games, 200+ yard rushing games etc...

The league is on espn.

You can register and espn account here (https://r.espn.go.com/members/register?registrationFormId=espn&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2F).

http://games.espn.go.com/ffl/leagueoffice?leagueId=18497

The league is in fact private currently so I need to invite you.

Edit: Invites work fine, I just invited Phoenix. I need the e-mail you registered with espn and the name you put down.

The draft will be live and is scheduled for the first Monday in July.

espn FF FTL.

[Trojan]

So you are saying you don't like Sanders? Whose your pick then?

@Tebow, I was reversed.
Eric Dickerson.

Isaiah Stanback.
Isaiah Stanback has been a Cowboy for a couple years... he isn't anything special. He is what he is. I think Jerry Jones targeting Pat White says something about Stanback.

O.o You've heard of stanback?

Yes...

[The Butcher]

Eric Dickerson.


Better then Sanders, for sure.

[Knight~of~Honor]

to change the subject, i don't really think that Mark Sanchez will live up to all his hype. i mean, he's supposed to fill brett farve's shoes and brett is a tough act to follow even if he didnt do so well last season. does anyone think mark'll do well this season?

[Trojan]

I think Sanchez will do great.

[Coffin Fedder]

Wasn't calling him the best back Meat. Just saying that I'm a big EG fan. He was a phemoninal back.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Favre's shoes aren't THAT hard to fill. Sanchez has a good arm, and he's actually MOBILE. Brett was good because of his numbers, and his numbers were good because he took a lot of risks. Sanchez is the type of guy that can step in and help the Jets make playoffs. Might not be this season since they don't have Coles, but they have a solid franchise QB in Sanchez.

Now, I may not be a Lions fan, but I hope that Stafford and Pettigrew stuff it in the faces of Lions fans. Lions fans wanted a defense, but now Detroit has somebody who can actually throw the ball to Calvin Johnson, as well as another target on offense in Brandon Pettigrew. Detroit may still need a defense, but I really hope they do well this year to spite all of those that are doubting them.

[Coffin Fedder]

Favre's shoes aren't THAT hard to fill. Sanchez has a good arm, and he's actually MOBILE. Brett was good because of his numbers, and his numbers were good because he took a lot of risks. Sanchez is the type of guy that can step in and help the Jets make playoffs. Might not be this season since they don't have Coles, but they have a solid franchise QB in Sanchez.

Now, I may not be a Lions fan, but I hope that Stafford and Pettigrew stuff it in the faces of Lions fans. Lions fans wanted a defense, but now Detroit has somebody who can actually throw the ball to Calvin Johnson, as well as another target on offense in Brandon Pettigrew. Detroit may still need a defense, but I really hope they do well this year to spite all of those that are doubting them.

I can't wait to see what Ernie Sims and Julilian Peterson do in the LB position. Both pro bowl LB's who have a dominanting prescence on the field. Peterson is also a leader on defense which is one of the things the Lions have needed for so long.

I actually kind of like Sanchez. It's hard to believe but, he makes good decisions. He has a good arm and is really accurate. The thing that catches my eye is the fact that he can throw a ball 30 or 40 yards pretty damn good off of a bootleg. Anyone who played QB in highschool or watches enough game knows that isn't the easy throw to make.

[The Cheat]

to change the subject, i don't really think that Mark Sanchez will live up to all his hype. i mean, he's supposed to fill brett farve's shoes and brett is a tough act to follow even if he didnt do so well last season. does anyone think mark'll do well this season?

He won't do good in ANY season.

Biggest over-hyped QB in a long time.

[The Butcher]

He won't do good in ANY season.

Biggest over-hyped QB in a long time.

He was picked 5th?

[bdog1321]

He was picked 5th?

Yeah i agree. he's no Romo.yes, i am being deliberately annoying.
@hulk. I wasn't being serious....

[The Butcher]

he's no Romo.

That's a good thing.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Yeah i agree. he's no Romo.

Meaning that he has the ability to go into the locker room and take leadership and might actually do well? Damn, I'd HATE to be Sanchez.

[KickAssPlaya]

Jamal Anderson.... :rofl:
:lol:

I hope you know I was joking..
Tebow is the Tom Brady of college ball. Rumor has it ESPN might declare Tebow a living God next season.

Yeah because everyone loves tom brady and thinks he is a God.

I don't get you. Some things I was jut meant not to understand. :rolleyes:

[Coffin Fedder]

Well, Chris Wells and Tim Hightower. How will do they do as a combo? No-more Edg.

[The Cheat]

He was picked 5th?

Because the Jets needed a QB and there was only two QB's this year.

:lol:

I hope you know I was joking..

Yeah because everyone loves tom brady and thinks he is a God.

I don't get you. Some things I was jut meant not to understand. :rolleyes:

KAP...People DO think Brady is a God. Have you never watched ESPN? Pats are already the pick to win it all next year...because Brady is back.

Come on KAP. You are not that dumb. Brady is the hero of the league and thus gets his ass kissed the most.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Because the Jets needed a QB and there was only two QB's this year.

Pift. Pat White and Josh Freeman are going to beast the NFL.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Don't know if any posted or cares about this, but an arena football team offered Micheal Vick a one year contract for $200 + 50 per win.
The coach/owner said they knew nothing about the dog fighting ring he had and that they wouldn't of offered had they of known. It's now in the contract he has to donate $100,000 to a humane society to be able to play.
Comments?

[Trojan]

Don't know if any posted or cares about this, but an arena football team offered Micheal Vick a one year contract for $200 + 50 per win.
The coach/owner said they knew nothing about the dog fighting ring he had and that they wouldn't of offered had they of known. It's now in the contract he has to donate $100,000 to a humane society to be able to play.
Comments?

By far the dumbest thing ever in a contract to a NFL superstar.
"Hey Vick, want to accept $200-$250 a week for one year playing for us?"

You realize if he won a game every week thats still only $13,000. So by accepting that contract he would be down $87,000. VICK IS IN BANKRUPCY COURT. This contract must be a joke.

[The Cheat]

Pift. Pat White and Josh Freeman are going to beast the NFL.

I have seen neither one of them play and I have no idea who Freeman is. All I know of him is he went to the Bucs...who have like 42 QB's.

I know of White and he will be ok...since he went to Miami and the famous "Wildcat" offense.

But as a main QB....no.
By far the dumbest thing ever in a contract to a NFL superstar.
"Hey Vick, want to accept $200-$250 a week for one year playing for us?"

You realize if he won a game every week thats still only $13,000. So by accepting that contract he would be down $87,000. VICK IS IN BANKRUPCY COURT. This contract must be a joke.

Hey...a job is a job espically when he won't play in the NFL for some time. if ever.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I have seen neither one of them play and I have no idea who Freeman is. All I know of him is he went to the Bucs...who have like 42 QB's.

I know of White and he will be ok...since he went to Miami and the famous "Wildcat" offense.

But as a main QB....no.

Freeman was the QB at Kansas State, a starter since he was a freshman. He's got a strong arm and good athletic ability. He's hands down the best QB that the Bucs have, and I see no way that he won't start.

White will likely start his career as a receiver/wildcat QB and learn what he can from Chad Pennington. Within 3 years, I expect him to be the starting QB for the Dolphins, and I think he'll do really well.

[bdog1321]

Freeman was the QB at Kansas State, a starter since he was a freshman. He's got a strong arm and good athletic ability. He's hands down the best QB that the Bucs have, and I see no way that he won't start.

White will likely start his career as a receiver/wildcat QB and learn what he can from Chad Pennington. Within 3 years, I expect him to be the starting QB for the Dolphins, and I think he'll do really well.

They're already grooming their replacement for Pennington. His name happens to be Chad Penne. But if he doesn't pan out, I agree.

EDIT:Meat, I've been looking at those rb stats. Walter Payton beat Smith by .2, and Sanders by .8. Seems like enough, but remember that teams were much more concentrated on the run back then. I wonder what Smith's numbers would have been back then? Plus, guys were smaller back then. It's hard to compare, really, so I won't make any foolish claims, but I am questioning how much better they "are" than Smith.

[Spirit_Monger]

Hey...a job is a job espically when he won't play in the NFL for some time. if ever.

Not when you're losing money though.

Pretty sure he'd be making more money doing his construction job than playing football for whoever offered him that contract.
When you're bankrupt you really don't have a choice - you go with the one that pays more. :p

[bdog1321]

How did he get bankrupt? Did the Falcons not have to pay him?

[The Butcher]

How did he get bankrupt? Did the Falcons not have to pay him?

He had to pay back Atlanta his bonuses and he's been in PRISON for over a year as his assets get seized on the outside. Not to mention court and settlement costs.

[The Cheat]

Freeman was the QB at Kansas State, a starter since he was a freshman. He's got a strong arm and good athletic ability. He's hands down the best QB that the Bucs have, and I see no way that he won't start.

White will likely start his career as a receiver/wildcat QB and learn what he can from Chad Pennington. Within 3 years, I expect him to be the starting QB for the Dolphins, and I think he'll do really well.

Neverheard of him. I don't watch college ball so like 97% of the people drafted mean nothing to me.

He won't start the first year. Bucs have pretty much said so. Leftwich (sp) will.

Pennington might be fired this year. Not sure why though.

[Trojan]

They're already grooming their replacement for Pennington. His name happens to be Chad Penne. But if he doesn't pan out, I agree.

Chad Henne.
John Beck.

These aren't starters.
Pat White can be.

One thing I think is weird if Pat White is a starter down the road. He is a lefty. That means his blindside tackle is the Right tackle. Wtf is the point of Jake Long then?

[The Butcher]

I'm sure if that's the case they could move Jake over?

EDIT: NFL.com agrees with my being pleased in PHilly's draft,

Philadelphia Eagles: A
All the panic about the Eagles not getting QB Donovan McNabb some offensive help was quelled with the acquisition of veteran tackles Stacey Andrews and Jason Peters and a draft that landed him the most multi-purpose player available, Jeremy Maclin. The addition of Pitt RB LeSean McCoy was icing on the cake -- offensively -- but there was more. Florida TE Cornelius Ingram is considered one of the best athletes in the draft, but he missed last season with a knee injury. If he's healthy, the Eagles could be the team to beat.

Here's the other end of the spectrum:

Oakland Raiders: D
The selection of Darrius Heyward-Bey was the head-scratcher of the draft. You just hope Hayward-Bey realizes it's not about him, but the franchise that throws everything about scouting -- other than the 40-yard-dash-time -- into the wind. Thing is, the Raiders needed a wide receiver. Maybe they know something we don't. Or, maybe they'll be back drafting in the top 10 next season, and the season after that, etc.

Here's the whole article:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8100be4a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

[Nitanius Nolund]

Neverheard of him. I don't watch college ball so like 97% of the people drafted mean nothing to me.

He won't start the first year. Bucs have pretty much said so. Leftwich (sp) will.

Pennington might be fired this year. Not sure why though.

The Bucs have already said that Freeman will start this year if he earns it, and I expect him to do so over Leftwich.

I doubt Pennington will be fired. The guy is a big reason the Dolphins did so well last year. He may not have a strong arm, but he gets the job done. The Fins will keep him on the roster at least another season.

[The Cheat]

The Bucs have already said that Freeman will start this year if he earns it, and I expect him to do so over Leftwich.

I doubt Pennington will be fired. The guy is a big reason the Dolphins did so well last year. He may not have a strong arm, but he gets the job done. The Fins will keep him on the roster at least another season.

That is stupid. No Rookie QB should start. The ONLY reason Ryan and Falco did good last year was they each had a good running game and a good defense. (BTW Flaco only started for Boller and Smith were hurt and sick.)

Bucs have neither of those. A rookie QB would fail.

I'd give Leftwich a shot. He has been a backup for sometime. He wants to prove he still has it.

I don't know why Pennington would be benched. He turned them around last year. I don't get it.


Only thing which pisses me off is the amount of money the rookies get. That is total crap.

[Nitanius Nolund]

That is stupid. No Rookie QB should start. The ONLY reason Ryan and Falco did good last year was they each had a good running game and a good defense. (BTW Flaco only started for Boller and Smith were hurt and sick.)

I disagree. If a rookie has what it takes to start in his rookie season, why deny him the chance? Yeah, you give the guy a chance to groom and get better, but what good does that REALLY give him?

Take Brady Quinn as the perfect example. He was on the Browns training squad, but with that came the fact that he didn't get ANY chance to train with the starters until the week the Browns played my Broncos this year. Now, training with the backups is not ANYTHING like playing with the starters. You don't get familiar with your team.

Take Freeman for example. If he proves in camps that he's better than Leftwich why would you deny him the playing time? Football is about winning. And you want to put yourself in the position to do so. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco showed us that rookie QBs are perfectly viable ways to win games. They don't have the experience of guys like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but meat said it already: there isn't much of a learning curve from college and the pros.

[Coffin Fedder]

I'm kind of on both sides with you NN and Cheat. Rookies shouldn't start due to the lack of experiance. Sure they're good in college but as everybody knows college and NFL are two completely different things. Some show composure and a work ethic like Ryan and Flacco did last season but a lot of rookies don't do that. A rookie who isn't composed and has no instincts shouldn't start.

[bdog1321]

I'm kind of on both sides with you NN and Cheat. Rookies shouldn't start due to the lack of experiance. Sure they're good in college but as everybody knows college and NFL are two completely different things. Some show composure and a work ethic like Ryan and Flacco did last season but a lot of rookies don't do that. A rookie who isn't composed and has no instincts shouldn't start.

Unless the entire concept of the NFL has changed, you typically start your BEST PLAYERS. If they are rookies so be it. Some picks, like Stafford, are made for immediate impact. I can be a first time driver on a nascar team and own their premier driver. If i am clearly miles better than him but i am lazy, he should drive the car? Madness.

[bdog1321]

I could name ten teams that would have killed to have tashard choice start for them last year :P Personally i think draft grades are made based on show and boldness. Tom brady was drafted in the sixth round. Wonder if the pats got a stellar grade for drafting him that year? These draft grades are bullcrap. We don't see who really had a good one until the season starts. Everyone thought mike jenkins was a brilliant steal for the cowboys. Fifth round pick orlando scandrick ended up being a better cornerback.

[The Cheat]

I just don't think rookie QB's should start. That is just what I think.


Next question: Should rookies get paid as much as they do?

[Spirit_Monger]

Next question: Should rookies get paid as much as they do?

No.

[bdog1321]

No.

Agreed. My point about Romo is that no rookie should be paid more than a franchise QB, even if the team is forcing them into that spot. They're unproven. Sign him to a modest contract FIT FOR A ROOKIE (talking about Staffy) and if he steps up, give him the raise. Not before he walks onto the field.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Next question: Should rookies get paid as much as they do?

Players get paid by position rather than how long they play. Stafford is the exception. He's making the most money in the NFL because Detroit REALLY wanted him (hence them trying to offer a contract before actual draft day) and wanted to give him incentive to join their franchise.

Besides, if you take a look at how a player's contract actually works, they don't make an insane amount of money until their last year on contract. It's a dumb system, but if a player gets traded before his contract is up, he doesn't get paid the full amount.

[bdog1321]

Players get paid by position rather than how long they play. Stafford is the exception. He's making the most money in the NFL because Detroit REALLY wanted him (hence them trying to offer a contract before actual draft day) and wanted to give him incentive to join their franchise.

Besides, if you take a look at how a player's contract actually works, they don't make an insane amount of money until their last year on contract. It's a dumb system, but if a player gets traded before his contract is up, he doesn't get paid the full amount.

I remember that now that you say it. Albert Haynesworth's contract, 100M, made eveyone OOH and AHH, but I doubt the Redskins will keep him the entire contract, and if I remember right, he gets less than half or half of that 100M if they don't.

[Coffin Fedder]

Still, they guarnteed him a pretty good amount of money. If he does even go past 6 years that's still a hell of a pay he's going to get.
No, Rookies do not deserve more then half the veterns who've proved themselves.

[Spirit_Monger]

Agreed. My point about Romo is that no rookie should be paid more than a franchise QB, even if the team is forcing them into that spot. They're unproven. Sign him to a modest contract FIT FOR A ROOKIE (talking about Staffy) and if he steps up, give him the raise. Not before he walks onto the field.

Jeez dude, you mention Romo in like every single post in this thread.
And Cheat calls me a superfan sometimes ... :rolleyes:
You're like, beyond "superfandom". I think it would be a safe assumption to say you're addicted to Tony Romo.

:p

Anyone know when rookies even started to get paid like this? I don't even know. It really is ridiculous though.

[Coffin Fedder]

If I were to guess mid 80's earlu 90's. If I were too guess.

[bdog1321]

Jeez dude, you mention Romo in like every single post in this thread.
And Cheat calls me a superfan sometimes ... :rolleyes:
You're like, beyond "superfandom". I think it would be a safe assumption to say you're addicted to Tony Romo.

:p

Anyone know when rookies even started to get paid like this? I don't even know. It really is ridiculous though.

I put that in there because I was ribbed on an earlier post and was explaining it. I do talk about the cowboys a lot, and you talk about the Bengals a lot. the difference is, the cowboys are exciting. :P

[Nitanius Nolund]

Still, they guarnteed him a pretty good amount of money. If he does even go past 6 years that's still a hell of a pay he's going to get.
No, Rookies do not deserve more then half the veterns who've proved themselves.

It doesn't have anything to do with him being a rookie though. It all has to do with a team's needs, and let's face it, there weren't a lot of great QBs to choose from in free agency.

I'll use Julius Peppers and the Broncos as an example, because Im a Bronco fan, and Peppers is the best DE whose contract ended this year.

If Denver wanted to sign him, we would pay him more money than Stafford got, because we need a player of his caliber.

Or let's say Randy Moss becomes available. The Titans would pour all sorts of money to grab him, because they've always been in need of talent at the receiver spot.

[The Cheat]

Rookies don't deserve that amount of money.


Period.

[_Thunder_]

Rookies don't deserve that amount of money.


Period.

I agree 100%.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Agreed. My point about Romo is that no rookie should be paid more than a franchise QB, even if the team is forcing them into that spot. They're unproven. Sign him to a modest contract FIT FOR A ROOKIE (talking about Staffy) and if he steps up, give him the raise. Not before he walks onto the field.

AGAIN with the Romo thing? Romo is over paid for how poorly he's been playing. Don't bother coming in the with bullshit, but he's good. He's not worth his 40+ million dollar contract with how HE has been playing.

I put that in there because I was ribbed on an earlier post and was explaining it. I do talk about the cowboys a lot, and you talk about the Bengals a lot. the difference is, the cowboys are exciting. :P

Yes, spirit does talk about the Bengals alot but at least his posts is how they are doing things, whats going on, ect.
Where as you talk about having the best team ever and the best QB ever.

[Lost.Boy]

It is hard to say how much a rookie should earn I mean unless you can predict the future and tell a coach okay pay him alot he will have a great season for you. I think you should pay them an average salary maybe 40k? if they are top 10 well because its the top 10 they are picked there its expected of those teams to pay aswell as the player to play well. As for Stafford his agent knew the lions were desperate and pushed them to go probably higher then they wanted but what can you do if he pans out they can make it up.

[bdog1321]

AGAIN with the Romo thing? Romo is over paid for how poorly he's been playing. Don't bother coming in the with bullshit, but he's good. He's not worth his 40+ million dollar contract with how HE has been playing.



Yes, spirit does talk about the Bengals alot but at least his posts is how they are doing things, whats going on, ect.
Where as you talk about having the best team ever and the best QB ever.

Just stop kid.... I have already explained why I brought him up again.

I don't know where you get the idea I think he/they're the best QB/team ever. I don't. You can stop saying that now, or keep going by all means if you like to make a dumbass of yourself. I think Romo doesn't deserve the crap kids like you give him. Does that mean I think he's god? Yeah, that's about as true as man-made global warming.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Just stop kid.... I have already explained why I brought him up again.

I don't know where you get the idea I think he/they're the best QB/team ever. I don't. You can stop saying that now, or keep going by all means if you like to make a dumbass of yourself. I think Romo doesn't deserve the crap kids like you give him. Does that mean I think he's god? Yeah, that's about as true as man-made global warming.

Kid? First off, i'm older than you.
All you do is idolize him every damn time you say something during the season in this thread. I don't make myself look like a dumbass unlike you. You say all this hot shit about him and the cowboys, which turns out to be complete b/s or you put your own foot in your mouth.
I don't give Romo any crap, but he's not as good as you believe/say he is.
Also, man is causing global warming ;)

[Nitanius Nolund]

Denver cut Selvin Young today.

Can't say I didn't see it coming.

[Spirit_Monger]

Just stop kid.... I have already explained why I brought him up again.

I don't know where you get the idea I think he/they're the best QB/team ever. I don't. You can stop saying that now, or keep going by all means if you like to make a dumbass of yourself. I think Romo doesn't deserve the crap kids like you give him. Does that mean I think he's god? Yeah, that's about as true as man-made global warming.

Yeah I do talk about the bengals quite a bit, maybe one could make a case that I'm addicted to them to.
But you talk about one person (quite an annoying one, might I add :p) even more than i told about the bengals.
You do compare him to a lot of things, or at least mention him in some way in the great majority of your posts.

Btw, Palmer > Romo. ;)

[Blexican]

Yeah I do talk about the bengals quite a bit, maybe one could make a case that I'm addicted to them to.
But you talk about one person (quite an annoying one, might I add :p) even more than i told about the bengals.
You do compare him to a lot of things, or at least mention him in some way in the great majority of your posts.

Btw, Palmer > Romo. ;)

palmer's potential > romo.

[bdog1321]

Kid? First off, i'm older than you.
All you do is idolize him every damn time you say something during the season in this thread. I don't make myself look like a dumbass unlike you. You say all this hot shit about him and the cowboys, which turns out to be complete b/s or you put your own foot in your mouth.
I don't give Romo any crap, but he's not as good as you believe/say he is.
Also, man is causing global warming ;)

Everything I say he can do, he can do. We are not causing global warming. Good day.

P.S. You don't act older than me. :dry:

Blex, Spirit, look me straight in my e-face and tell me Carson Palmer could do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXQ4Y7AAKk&feature=PlayList&p=B6B793215CBE7107&index=13.

[Trojan]

I think you should pay them an average salary maybe 40k?

40k? lol.

500k is cheap for NFL, that's a 3rd stringers salary.

[bdog1321]

"Everything you can do, Romo can do better, he can do anything better than you." Lol. You guys know I don't really mean it when I say he's god, right? That's just Cowboys loyalty/trash talk of other teams. I know what he's done, and I have a pretty solid idea of what he can do in the future, but if you guys think I'm just playing him up as some superhuman, I'll set the record straight here: I'm not.

[Spirit_Monger]

Everything I say he can do, he can do. We are not causing global warming. Good day.

P.S. You don't act older than me. :dry:

Blex, Spirit, look me straight in my e-face and tell me Carson Palmer could do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXQ4Y7AAKk&feature=PlayList&p=B6B793215CBE7107&index=13.

Well for starters, Palmer would make sure the snap wasn't muffed like it was in the video.

No I don't think he could run that well. I'll be the first to admit, especially after frigging Pittsburgh took out his knee, he isn't a mobile QB at all.
But I do think Palmer is an overall better QB and will do a better job managing a game and throwing the ball.
It has yet to be seen if he can win a playoff game since he was taken out of the only one, but I think he could.

Also, I don't think Romo could complete a 66 yard pass right as he is having his knee taken out.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bengals/2006-01-08-palmer-injury_x.htm
;)

[KickAssPlaya]

bdog is right. I don't think Palmer could pull this off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8U0KT0bYZw

[Blexican]

Everything I say he can do, he can do. We are not causing global warming. Good day.

P.S. You don't act older than me. :dry:

Blex, Spirit, look me straight in my e-face and tell me Carson Palmer could do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXQ4Y7AAKk&feature=PlayList&p=B6B793215CBE7107&index=13.

he can't. That doesnt make romo a better qb because of 1 play.

[bdog1321]

Well for starters, Palmer would make sure the snap wasn't muffed like it was in the video.

No I don't think he could run that well. I'll be the first to admit, especially after frigging Pittsburgh took out his knee, he isn't a mobile QB at all.
But I do think Palmer is an overall better QB and will do a better job managing a game and throwing the ball.
It has yet to be seen if he can win a playoff game since he was taken out of the only one, but I think he could.

Also, I don't think Romo could complete a 66 yard pass right as he is having his knee taken out.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bengals/2006-01-08-palmer-injury_x.htm
;)

Unless palmer plays center as well, he couldn't have done squat. I'll take you and raise you one higher. Romo played an entire game and won with a back contusion against the super bowl favorite defending champion nfc champion giants.

[Blexican]

bdog is right. I don't think Palmer could pull this off:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8U0KT0bYZw

i hope your happy. i just cried.

[Spirit_Monger]

Unless palmer plays center as well, he couldn't have done squat. I'll take you and raise you one higher. Romo played an entire game and won with a back contusion against the super bowl favorite defending champion nfc champion giants.

The first part was sarcasm. I know it was the center that muffed the snap. :p

And how serious is a back contusion? I'm no medical expert so I'm going off of what this article says ...

A contusion is a bruise caused by a blow to your muscle, tendon, or ligament. The bruise is caused when blood pools around the injured area. It may discolor your skin.

Most contusions are mild and respond well when you rest, apply ice and compression, and elevate the injured area. If symptoms persist, medical care should be sought to prevent permanent damage to the soft tissues.

Again I don't know much about contusions or how severe his was.
But also again, Palmer completed a 66-yard pass while having some asshole tear his ACL. It's hard enough to complete a pass with someone that size leaning into you.

Palmer also almost beat the Giants and your Cowboys with a torn muscle in his throwing arm, behind a line that couldn't block to save their mom's life last year. I'm sure that's worth something to. :rolleyes:

Like I said though I'm no medical expert and I'm sure you aren't either so I wont get into which is worse and what not, but ... yeah.

I can see TC having a fit when he reads this thread next. :p

[Coffin Fedder]

Just stop kid.... I have already explained why I brought him up again.

I don't know where you get the idea I think he/they're the best QB/team ever. I don't. You can stop saying that now, or keep going by all means if you like to make a dumbass of yourself. I think Romo doesn't deserve the crap kids like you give him. Does that mean I think he's god? Yeah, that's about as true as man-made global warming.

It's a sport moron. Everyone gets dished on. He doesn't talked about the Bengals nearly as much as you do about your precious little Cowboys. NFL's the NFL, teams are better then one another. Apperently none of us can cope with that so why do we bother posting in this thread? To express our opinion about sports and the last thing we want is an idiot like you being a mouthy little smartass. It's a sports thread not a praise the freaking cowboys thread.

[bdog1321]

The first part was sarcasm. I know it was the center that muffed the snap. :p

And how serious is a back contusion? I'm no medical expert so I'm going off of what this article says ...



Again I don't know much about contusions or how severe his was.
But also again, Palmer completed a 66-yard pass while having some asshole tear his ACL. It's hard enough to complete a pass with someone that size leaning into you.

Palmer also almost beat the Giants and your Cowboys with a torn muscle in his throwing arm, behind a line that couldn't block to save their mom's life last year. I'm sure that's worth something to. :rolleyes:

Like I said though I'm no medical expert and I'm sure you aren't either so I wont get into which is worse and what not, but ... yeah.

I can see TC having a fit when he reads this thread next. :p

It was serious enough for him to collapse in the locker room shower after the game. Also, i lol'd when the bengals almost beat the giants. :P

[bdog1321]

Plus he was sacked five times with that contusion. Lol the cowboys forgot how to block that night as well.

[Spirit_Monger]

Bengals forgot how to block in every game ... Palmer was continuously sacked with his injured arm. He even had a broken nose in the preseason, our line was so bad. ;)

[The Butcher]

Just stop kid....
.
.
kids like you give him.

First of all, I'm pretty sure you and coffin are around the same, if not the exact same age. If anything, he's older.

Second of all, even if you were older, what does him being a "kid" have anything to do with the discussion you are having? If a four year old makes a point, it's still a point.

When you start dissing out idiotic insults like this it's obvious to all of us you are losing the argument and getting frustrated. You should work on that. Truth.

[The Cheat]

Bdog is wrong.

End of story.


I don't think I need to say anymore. I'm going to stay out of it. Bdog has moved on to a new lever of Superfan. A level I didn't know was possible.


I'll come back when I have run some tests and done some research.

[Spirit_Monger]

Bdog is wrong.

End of story.


I don't think I need to say anymore. I'm going to stay out of it. Bdog has moved on to a new lever of Superfan. A level I didn't know was possible.


I'll come back when I have run some tests and done some research.

:p
I just could have seen you thinking we all are being superfans with that argument.

Now that the draft is over, does anyone have superbowl predictions?
Only teams that really stand out as having a shot right now are (unfortunately) the Pats and Steelers on the AFC, and perhaps the Eagles on the NFC.
Don't know how well other teams will do.

Still early for superbowl predictions I guess but lets see if anyone can guess it this early. :p

[The Cheat]

:p
I just could have seen you thinking we all are being superfans with that argument.

Now that the draft is over, does anyone have superbowl predictions?
Only teams that really stand out as having a shot right now are (unfortunately) the Pats and Steelers on the AFC, and perhaps the Eagles on the NFC.
Don't know how well other teams will do.

Still early for superbowl predictions I guess but lets see if anyone can guess it this early. :p

Some times calling out people as superfans just isn't worth it. You all know who and what you are. Once you admit it...then you take the first step to be normal again.

I don't make a superbowl pick until the playoffs start.

[Medemia]

Bdog is blinded by the blue and white and everyone else is wrong. At least in his eyes. No use trying to argue with them because it never works.

I do have to give one thing to the Cowboys though. Victor Butler, from Oregon State, who they picked in the 4th round is a good kid. His parents are majorly involved with the little league where I umpire and they have raised him right. I got to talk to him a little on Tuesday after the draft. He was happy to be drafted and excited to get a chance to prove it to the other 29 teams who passed him up that they made a mistake. (Although I don't know how much credence I give to that motivation.) He left yesterday to attend his first mini-camp with the Cowboys -- that was quick. I look forward to seeing him play and will be cheering him on even though he plays for the Cowboys :D

[Spirit_Monger]

Some times calling out people as superfans just isn't worth it. You all know who and what you are. Once you admit it...then you take the first step to be normal again.

I don't make a superbowl pick until the playoffs start.

Still waiting on that next article about me and if I'm a superfan. :p

But fair enough. What about division winners and wild card? Care to take a stab at those?

[The Cheat]

Still waiting on that next article about me and if I'm a superfan. :p

But fair enough. What about division winners and wild card? Care to take a stab at those?

I can't do a next article until I am picked up by ESPN. ;)

I predict that six teams from the NFC will make the playoffs and six from the AFC will make it as well.

[Spirit_Monger]

I can't do a next article until I am picked up by ESPN. ;)

I predict that six teams from the NFC will make the playoffs and six from the AFC will make it as well.

Here's mine that I'm just guessing on, but yeah. :p

AFC:

1) Patriots (With Brady back I think they'll just be too good for the division to compete enough)
2) Steelers (As much as I hate them, I can't deny that they are good)
3) Chargers (just the best team in that division)
4) Colts (also the best team in that division, I think)
W1) Bengals (I think we are going to be good enough - if Palmer is healthy, line protects well, and the offense produces some this year... Our defense is good enough if the offense, like I said, produces - to get a wild card. Not win the division. Baltimore I think wont be as good with the loss of some players and Rex Ryan though they will still be good. Cleveland I don't think is ready to compete)
w2) This could go to a lot of teams. Titans, Jags, Texans maybe. Possibly even the Jets or Miami.

AFC is a tough one ... a lot of good teams in the division.

NFC:

1) Eagles (Should be a good team this year)
2) Cardinals (shouldn't be bad this year but wont return to the superbowl)
3) Vikings (I think they'll be good if they do fine with the QB position. But Favre is going there anyway so they'll be fine. :rolleyes:)
4) Saints (don't know why ... this is a hard one to pick)
W1) Giants
w2) Falcolns

Don't know if those will be right, at all, but I'm pretty bored right now.
BTW bdog, Cowbogs will go 7-9. ;)

[The Cheat]

The first monday night game is Bills vs Pats.

I wonder if the NFL will carry Brady out on a thrown and the Comish will kneel before Brady while saying "Thank God, Football is back! Our God has returned."


I hope that happens.

[The Butcher]

If Brady gets hurt for the year during the first game again this year I'll tattoo "LOL" on my body.

[Nitanius Nolund]

My picks for playoffs this season:

AFC East: New England Patriots
If Brady doesn't go down injured, they simply have the best team in football. I may not like them in the slightest, but it's a sad fact. Record: 14-2-0

AFC North: Cincinnati Bengals
That's right, I'm saying it. They drafted the best out of everyone in the draft this year, and even though they lost TJ, I think they have a really strong team. This could also be the Ravens, but I think the Bengals are going to come out strong this season. Record: 11-5-0

AFC South: Jacksonville Jaguars
I think the Colts are going to have a tough time this year without Harrison. Manning is still a great QB, but the Jaguars are due to make playoffs. Record: 11-5-0

AFC West: Denver Broncos
Yeah, I'm biased, but I honestly think Denver will outperform the rest of the AFC West. They have a great offensive line, and a system QB who has the best record of any QB drafted since 2005 at home. We've also bumped up our defense in the offseason, though our front seven still looks like it has holes. Record: 11-5-0

Wildcard 1: Miami Dolphins
Quite frankly, I think the Dolphins are the best team taking out the teams I mentioned above. They don't necessarily play with skill, they play with smarts (see: the Wildcat formation). With Pat White, they have somebody who they can really use to play with peoples' heads. Record: 10-6-0

Wildcard 2: Baltimore Ravens
Flacco showed everyone last year that he has what it takes to make playoffs. I think that the Ravens have a great chance at making playoffs because their team isn't so focused on defense now. Record: 10-6-0

Honorable mentions:

Indianapolis Colts
I think they'll come close, but be just beaten out of the playoffs. They'll become a more balanced attack without Harrison, and Wayne will end up getting double covered and hurting Manning's season. Record: 9-7-0

New York Jets
I think Sanchez will have a good first season, and a lot of things will be shown from the Jets. Give them a few seasons, and I think they'll make playoffs. Record: 9-7-0

Pittsburgh Steelers
Another biased opinion, because I HATE the Steelers, but I just don't think they'll be able to lean on their defense all year like they normally do. And quite frankly, their offense isn't THAT good. Record: 10-6-0

San Diego Chargers
The only reason the Chargers won't make playoffs is because of LT. The guy is done in my opinion, because they'll overuse him. Sproles can't carry the ball 15-20 times a game, meaning LT carries the load. Last season he showed us that he's reaching the end of his career, and I think this will be his last go. Record: 8-8-0

NFC East: Philadelphia Eagles
They had the best draft this year in my opinion. They have everything they need to make playoffs. Had they not picked up a solid guy like LeSean McCoy, I'd have to place them at the wildcard, but they are really the strongest team in the East in my eyes. Record: 12-4-0

NFC North: Minnesota Vikings
Part of me wants to say the Bears will take this division because they have the easiest season, but Cutler doesn't pass to running backs often, and they have a crappy line. The Vikings have the most firepower this year with Percy Harvin and Adrian Peterson, and a heck of an offensive line. Record: 10-6-0

NFC South: New Orleans Saints
The Saints did what they needed to do in the draft, they helped their defense, which is the main reason they have missed out on the playoffs the last 2 years. Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFC and he has all sorts of weapons on offense. Even if Bush goes down again this year, I give the South to the Saints. Record: 10-6-0

NFC West: Arizona Cardinals
The NFC West is the weakest division in the NFC, and Arizona is a strong team. I don't think they will have an easy go of clinching it, but I think they will pull ahead in division games and come away with it. Record: 11-5-0

Wildcard 1: Carolina Panthers
The power run game that Carolina has was tough to beat last year. If they can keep it up, they'll be a sure thing for a wildcard berth. Record:10-6-0

Wildcard 2: Seattle Seahawks
Like the Bengals, I'm giving Seattle a lot of credit. They have arguably the best linebacker squad in the NFL now that they have Aaron Curry, and if Hasselbeck stays healthy, they'll take this spot. Record: 10-6-0

Honorable mentions:

New York Giants
Of any team in the NFC, I think these guys have the best chance at proving me wrong. They will be relying heavily on Hakeem Nicks in my opinion, because Jacobs can't win them a playoff berth on his own. Record: 10-6-0

Atlanta Falcons
I actually had a hard time figuring out between the Seahawks and the Falcons for wildcard 2. These guys are just below the Giants of a team that can prove me wrong. Record: 10-6-0

San Fransico 49ers
I think the 49ers are a team that people will need to watch out for this season. They've been building well, and come the next few years, they'll have what it takes to make playoffs. Record: 8-8-0

Now, I know I'm going to get a bunch of people disagreeing with me on these. But these are my OPINIONS and completely SPECULATION. I don't have the ability to see the future, and these are simply my picks for the teams that will do the best this season. Agree or disagree as you will, I don't really care.

[meat.eater]

My picks for playoffs this season:

AFC East: New England Patriots
If Brady doesn't go down injured, they simply have the best team in football. I may not like them in the slightest, but it's a sad fact. Record: 14-2-0

AFC North: Cincinnati Bengals
That's right, I'm saying it. They drafted the best out of everyone in the draft this year, and even though they lost TJ, I think they have a really strong team. This could also be the Ravens, but I think the Bengals are going to come out strong this season. Record: 11-5-0

AFC South: Jacksonville Jaguars
I think the Colts are going to have a tough time this year without Harrison. Manning is still a great QB, but the Jaguars are due to make playoffs. Record: 11-5-0

AFC West: Denver Broncos
Yeah, I'm biased, but I honestly think Denver will outperform the rest of the AFC West. They have a great offensive line, and a system QB who has the best record of any QB drafted since 2005 at home. We've also bumped up our defense in the offseason, though our front seven still looks like it has holes. Record: 11-5-0

Wildcard 1: Miami Dolphins
Quite frankly, I think the Dolphins are the best team taking out the teams I mentioned above. They don't necessarily play with skill, they play with smarts (see: the Wildcat formation). With Pat White, they have somebody who they can really use to play with peoples' heads. Record: 10-6-0

Wildcard 2: Baltimore Ravens
Flacco showed everyone last year that he has what it takes to make playoffs. I think that the Ravens have a great chance at making playoffs because their team isn't so focused on defense now. Record: 10-6-0

Honorable mentions:

Indianapolis Colts
I think they'll come close, but be just beaten out of the playoffs. They'll become a more balanced attack without Harrison, and Wayne will end up getting double covered and hurting Manning's season. Record: 9-7-0

New York Jets
I think Sanchez will have a good first season, and a lot of things will be shown from the Jets. Give them a few seasons, and I think they'll make playoffs. Record: 9-7-0

Pittsburgh Steelers
Another biased opinion, because I HATE the Steelers, but I just don't think they'll be able to lean on their defense all year like they normally do. And quite frankly, their offense isn't THAT good. Record: 10-6-0

San Diego Chargers
The only reason the Chargers won't make playoffs is because of LT. The guy is done in my opinion, because they'll overuse him. Sproles can't carry the ball 15-20 times a game, meaning LT carries the load. Last season he showed us that he's reaching the end of his career, and I think this will be his last go. Record: 8-8-0

NFC East: Philadelphia Eagles
They had the best draft this year in my opinion. They have everything they need to make playoffs. Had they not picked up a solid guy like LeSean McCoy, I'd have to place them at the wildcard, but they are really the strongest team in the East in my eyes. Record: 12-4-0

NFC North: Minnesota Vikings
Part of me wants to say the Bears will take this division because they have the easiest season, but Cutler doesn't pass to running backs often, and they have a crappy line. The Vikings have the most firepower this year with Percy Harvin and Adrian Peterson, and a heck of an offensive line. Record: 10-6-0

NFC South: New Orleans Saints
The Saints did what they needed to do in the draft, they helped their defense, which is the main reason they have missed out on the playoffs the last 2 years. Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFC and he has all sorts of weapons on offense. Even if Bush goes down again this year, I give the South to the Saints. Record: 10-6-0

NFC West: Arizona Cardinals
The NFC West is the weakest division in the NFC, and Arizona is a strong team. I don't think they will have an easy go of clinching it, but I think they will pull ahead in division games and come away with it. Record: 11-5-0

Wildcard 1: Carolina Panthers
The power run game that Carolina has was tough to beat last year. If they can keep it up, they'll be a sure thing for a wildcard berth. Record:10-6-0

Wildcard 2: Seattle Seahawks
Like the Bengals, I'm giving Seattle a lot of credit. They have arguably the best linebacker squad in the NFL now that they have Aaron Curry, and if Hasselbeck stays healthy, they'll take this spot. Record: 10-6-0

Honorable mentions:

New York Giants
Of any team in the NFC, I think these guys have the best chance at proving me wrong. They will be relying heavily on Hakeem Nicks in my opinion, because Jacobs can't win them a playoff berth on his own. Record: 10-6-0

Atlanta Falcons
I actually had a hard time figuring out between the Seahawks and the Falcons for wildcard 2. These guys are just below the Giants of a team that can prove me wrong. Record: 10-6-0

San Fransico 49ers
I think the 49ers are a team that people will need to watch out for this season. They've been building well, and come the next few years, they'll have what it takes to make playoffs. Record: 8-8-0

Now, I know I'm going to get a bunch of people disagreeing with me on these. But these are my OPINIONS and completely SPECULATION. I don't have the ability to see the future, and these are simply my picks for the teams that will do the best this season. Agree or disagree as you will, I don't really care.

Pretty close but you're daft if you don't think Pittsburgh will make the playoffs. Cinci will not. I like the Broncos over the Chargers this year too, even though I generally dislike how the Broncos play football. Which is unfortunate because nobody in the AFC West will deserve to go to the playoffs at all next year, frankly. I like Miami and Baltimore as a Wildcard, too.

AFC:
East: New England
North: Baltimore
South: Jacksonville/Tennessee
West: Denver
WC1: Pittsburgh
WC2: Miami/Tennessee

NFC is greatly less talented than the AFC, once again. But you pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one; much less threat to the major programs. Carolina will have a great year, though. Stewart is going to have a Peterson year. Oh, and Seattle's not ready this year. They need to age as a team. Next year, two years... watch out. Not this year.

NFC
East: Philadelphia
North: Minnesota
South: Carolina
West: Arizona
WC1: New Orleans
WC2: New York

[_Thunder_]

My picks for playoffs this season:

AFC East: New England Patriots
If Brady doesn't go down injured, they simply have the best team in football. I may not like them in the slightest, but it's a sad fact. Record: 14-2-0

AFC North: Cincinnati Bengals
That's right, I'm saying it. They drafted the best out of everyone in the draft this year, and even though they lost TJ, I think they have a really strong team. This could also be the Ravens, but I think the Bengals are going to come out strong this season. Record: 11-5-0

AFC South: Jacksonville Jaguars
I think the Colts are going to have a tough time this year without Harrison. Manning is still a great QB, but the Jaguars are due to make playoffs. Record: 11-5-0

AFC West: Denver Broncos
Yeah, I'm biased, but I honestly think Denver will outperform the rest of the AFC West. They have a great offensive line, and a system QB who has the best record of any QB drafted since 2005 at home. We've also bumped up our defense in the offseason, though our front seven still looks like it has holes. Record: 11-5-0

Wildcard 1: Miami Dolphins
Quite frankly, I think the Dolphins are the best team taking out the teams I mentioned above. They don't necessarily play with skill, they play with smarts (see: the Wildcat formation). With Pat White, they have somebody who they can really use to play with peoples' heads. Record: 10-6-0

Wildcard 2: Baltimore Ravens
Flacco showed everyone last year that he has what it takes to make playoffs. I think that the Ravens have a great chance at making playoffs because their team isn't so focused on defense now. Record: 10-6-0

Honorable mentions:

Indianapolis Colts
I think they'll come close, but be just beaten out of the playoffs. They'll become a more balanced attack without Harrison, and Wayne will end up getting double covered and hurting Manning's season. Record: 9-7-0

New York Jets
I think Sanchez will have a good first season, and a lot of things will be shown from the Jets. Give them a few seasons, and I think they'll make playoffs. Record: 9-7-0

Pittsburgh Steelers
Another biased opinion, because I HATE the Steelers, but I just don't think they'll be able to lean on their defense all year like they normally do. And quite frankly, their offense isn't THAT good. Record: 10-6-0

San Diego Chargers
The only reason the Chargers won't make playoffs is because of LT. The guy is done in my opinion, because they'll overuse him. Sproles can't carry the ball 15-20 times a game, meaning LT carries the load. Last season he showed us that he's reaching the end of his career, and I think this will be his last go. Record: 8-8-0

NFC East: Philadelphia Eagles
They had the best draft this year in my opinion. They have everything they need to make playoffs. Had they not picked up a solid guy like LeSean McCoy, I'd have to place them at the wildcard, but they are really the strongest team in the East in my eyes. Record: 12-4-0

NFC North: Minnesota Vikings
Part of me wants to say the Bears will take this division because they have the easiest season, but Cutler doesn't pass to running backs often, and they have a crappy line. The Vikings have the most firepower this year with Percy Harvin and Adrian Peterson, and a heck of an offensive line. Record: 10-6-0

NFC South: New Orleans Saints
The Saints did what they needed to do in the draft, they helped their defense, which is the main reason they have missed out on the playoffs the last 2 years. Drew Brees is the best QB in the NFC and he has all sorts of weapons on offense. Even if Bush goes down again this year, I give the South to the Saints. Record: 10-6-0

NFC West: Arizona Cardinals
The NFC West is the weakest division in the NFC, and Arizona is a strong team. I don't think they will have an easy go of clinching it, but I think they will pull ahead in division games and come away with it. Record: 11-5-0

Wildcard 1: Carolina Panthers
The power run game that Carolina has was tough to beat last year. If they can keep it up, they'll be a sure thing for a wildcard berth. Record:10-6-0

Wildcard 2: Seattle Seahawks
Like the Bengals, I'm giving Seattle a lot of credit. They have arguably the best linebacker squad in the NFL now that they have Aaron Curry, and if Hasselbeck stays healthy, they'll take this spot. Record: 10-6-0

Honorable mentions:

New York Giants
Of any team in the NFC, I think these guys have the best chance at proving me wrong. They will be relying heavily on Hakeem Nicks in my opinion, because Jacobs can't win them a playoff berth on his own. Record: 10-6-0

Atlanta Falcons
I actually had a hard time figuring out between the Seahawks and the Falcons for wildcard 2. These guys are just below the Giants of a team that can prove me wrong. Record: 10-6-0

San Fransico 49ers
I think the 49ers are a team that people will need to watch out for this season. They've been building well, and come the next few years, they'll have what it takes to make playoffs. Record: 8-8-0

Now, I know I'm going to get a bunch of people disagreeing with me on these. But these are my OPINIONS and completely SPECULATION. I don't have the ability to see the future, and these are simply my picks for the teams that will do the best this season. Agree or disagree as you will, I don't really care.
The red = Myth.

Bengals... Ya they had a good draft, but I don't think they can turn there season around that quickly. The dolphins did it.. ya... but the Dolphins also had a MEGA solid running game that they could rely on. Bengals... not so much. They need some serious help in that department AND defense to show me that they are playoff contenders.

I'm not buying Denver either, Ya they have a new QB in Orton, and still have Marshall and Royal are still really solid to me. But who will play RB for them? They tryed a whole bunch of different boys in the backfield and only 1 stood out to me. And that's Hillis.

But I'm sold on the offense of the Broncos, that's not the thing. Their defense was one of the worst last year in YPG and TDPG. It's not like the colts offense with good run D and bad pass D. This D is bad ALL around. They need some serious leadership, talent and teamwork to get this team running in playoff mode again.

As for the steelers, I don't really have to say much, especially since you already said you were biased against them.


The 9'ers? You have got to be kidding me. You would project them to get in the playoffs over the Cowboys? Even though I'm a cowboys fan I still know when to put talent up there, even in the wild card or "Honorable mentions :rolleyes:" . If you really think the 9'ers will have a better season than the cowboys, I would like to take a bet please.

[Spirit_Monger]

Yeah, barring maybe a Roethlisberger injury, and maybe even a few others, I think pitt wins our division. Cincy isn't going to contend for the playoff spot other than a wild card, which I think they could do.
As much as I'd love for them to win it, our division is pretty solid right now, and Pitt will still be good this year.

I don't think their run game is as bad as it was given credit for though either.
Benson did alright running behind a TERRIBLE line, and wasn't even with the team at the beginning of the season or for the first few games. He still had a couple hundred yard games ... I'm looking for him to be fairly productive this season.

Really wishing we had big Willie Anderson though. I still think he could play well for us (as he did in baltimore last season) and would have been a great mentor for Andre.

[Hatchet Warrior]

If Brady gets hurt for the year during the first game again this year I'll tattoo "LOL" on my body.

I'm going to hold you to this statement.

[Nitanius Nolund]

The red = Myth.

Bengals... Ya they had a good draft, but I don't think they can turn there season around that quickly. The dolphins did it.. ya... but the Dolphins also had a MEGA solid running game that they could rely on. Bengals... not so much. They need some serious help in that department AND defense to show me that they are playoff contenders.

The Bengals are my "dream team", like Miami was last year. I have 1 every season.

I'm not buying Denver either, Ya they have a new QB in Orton, and still have Marshall and Royal are still really solid to me. But who will play RB for them? They tryed a whole bunch of different boys in the backfield and only 1 stood out to me. And that's Hillis.

As far as Denver goes, Moreno will start at the position, with Buckhalter as his main backup. Hillis will go back to FB and get some goal line/short yardage carries and Arrington will be the long yardage/3rd down back. At least, that's what I would imagine. Moreno works wonders in McDaniel's new system, and I expect him to have a decent season. No 2,000 yards and 15 TDs of course, but a solid 1,200 yards and 8 or so TDs isn't out of reach.

But I'm sold on the offense of the Broncos, that's not the thing. Their defense was one of the worst last year in YPG and TDPG. It's not like the colts offense with good run D and bad pass D. This D is bad ALL around. They need some serious leadership, talent and teamwork to get this team running in playoff mode again.

McDaniels has done wonders already with the defense. We have a much improved secondary with Dawkins (who also gives us much needed run support) and Goodman. Smith provides a great nickel corner as well.

Our front seven is still the weak point in our team, but we have made improvements there as well. David Ayers and Jarvis Moss are both speedy ends who can run the horn, and Elvis Dumervil works as another DE/LB hybrid as well. We signed Andra Smith, and still have DJ Williams, so I expect a much better performance from Denver's defense this year. Not top 10 defense of course, but not ranked 28th either.

The 9'ers? You have got to be kidding me. You would project them to get in the playoffs over the Cowboys? Even though I'm a cowboys fan I still know when to put talent up there, even in the wild card or "Honorable mentions :rolleyes:" . If you really think the 9'ers will have a better season than the cowboys, I would like to take a bet please.

The 49ers have made great improvements over the last few years. I never said they'd make playoffs, they are up there because I think they are a team that will make great improvements every season. I didn't say they'd make playoffs, I gave them honorable mentions. They are a team that, in every broadcast I've seen, have been overlooked. I think it's time to give them their due.

And as far as the Cowboys go, they don't have what it takes to make playoffs this season. Roy Williams can't carry them, Jason Witten can't carry them, Marion Barber can't carry them, and Romo won't take control. Leaves them with nobody to lead them on offense, and their defense won't win them a playoff berth. I say Dallas goes 9-7-0.

[bdog1321]

Bdog is blinded by the blue and white and everyone else is wrong. At least in his eyes. No use trying to argue with them because it never works.

I do have to give one thing to the Cowboys though. Victor Butler, from Oregon State, who they picked in the 4th round is a good kid. His parents are majorly involved with the little league where I umpire and they have raised him right. I got to talk to him a little on Tuesday after the draft. He was happy to be drafted and excited to get a chance to prove it to the other 29 teams who passed him up that they made a mistake. (Although I don't know how much credence I give to that motivation.) He left yesterday to attend his first mini-camp with the Cowboys -- that was quick. I look forward to seeing him play and will be cheering him on even though he plays for the Cowboys :D

You people are bringing me dangerously close to getting a 6 month ban from the meat.hammer. YOU ARE WRONG. I am wrong a lot. I am not saying the Cowboys are the best, as I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN FOR THE LAST FEW PAGES. What happens? I get flamed by more people saying I am saying they're the best. Can't you people read?

Bdog is wrong.

End of story.


I don't think I need to say anymore. I'm going to stay out of it. Bdog has moved on to a new lever of Superfan. A level I didn't know was possible.


I'll come back when I have run some tests and done some research.

Me denying that I think they're the best, and admitting that Romo is not god = higher level of superfanism? FLAWED LOGIC ALERT.

First of all, I'm pretty sure you and coffin are around the same, if not the exact same age. If anything, he's older.

Second of all, even if you were older, what does him being a "kid" have anything to do with the discussion you are having? If a four year old makes a point, it's still a point.

When you start dissing out idiotic insults like this it's obvious to all of us you are losing the argument and getting frustrated. You should work on that. Truth.


Using the word kid =/= losing an argument. First of all, there's no argument. I explained why I used the Romo example, the original post with the Romo reference that pissed everyone off initially I said I was kidding IN THAT POST. But there were also legit reasons to use him. When I explained that, HW started flaming me. He doesn't like me. He isn't flaming me because he thinks I'm wrong. He targets me whenever he sees one of my posts. That is why I called him a kid. He is immature.

The Bengals are my "dream team", like Miami was last year. I have 1 every season.



As far as Denver goes, Moreno will start at the position, with Buckhalter as his main backup. Hillis will go back to FB and get some goal line/short yardage carries and Arrington will be the long yardage/3rd down back. At least, that's what I would imagine. Moreno works wonders in McDaniel's new system, and I expect him to have a decent season. No 2,000 yards and 15 TDs of course, but a solid 1,200 yards and 8 or so TDs isn't out of reach.



McDaniels has done wonders already with the defense. We have a much improved secondary with Dawkins (who also gives us much needed run support) and Goodman. Smith provides a great nickel corner as well.

Our front seven is still the weak point in our team, but we have made improvements there as well. David Ayers and Jarvis Moss are both speedy ends who can run the horn, and Elvis Dumervil works as another DE/LB hybrid as well. We signed Andra Smith, and still have DJ Williams, so I expect a much better performance from Denver's defense this year. Not top 10 defense of course, but not ranked 28th either.



The 49ers have made great improvements over the last few years. I never said they'd make playoffs, they are up there because I think they are a team that will make great improvements every season. I didn't say they'd make playoffs, I gave them honorable mentions. They are a team that, in every broadcast I've seen, have been overlooked. I think it's time to give them their due.

And as far as the Cowboys go, they don't have what it takes to make playoffs this season. Roy Williams can't carry them, Jason Witten can't carry them, Marion Barber can't carry them, and Romo won't take control. Leaves them with nobody to lead them on offense, and their defense won't win them a playoff berth. I say Dallas goes 9-7-0.

Agreed except I don't think Moreno will start right away.

Agreed with everything until, of course, the Cowboys statements. It is true, Roy Williams, Jason Witten and Marion Barber can't carry them, but who says they need to? They have a plethora of talented rookies maturing (Felix, Tashard, Orlando Scandrick, Mike Jenkins, etc) plus if those aforementioned players work in conjunction under Romo, who has vowed that he WILL take control and reign in the team, the team won't need to be carried by anyone as everyone is doing their job. To think that they will go 9-7 is, in my mind, ludicrous. But again, this coming from someone condemned for life as a Cowboys sympathizer.

[Medemia]

But again, this coming from someone condemned for life as a Cowboys apologist.

Fixed.

[bdog1321]

Fixed.

You're funny. Do you understand now? Can we stop talking about this stupid crap and get to real football now?

[Spirit_Monger]

Romo, who has vowed that he WILL take control and reign in the team, the team won't need to be carried by anyone as everyone is doing their job. To think that they will go 9-7 is, in my mind, ludicrous. But again, this coming from someone condemned for life as a Cowboys sympathizer.

That will happen for maybe a week until he gets bored and goes off on a cruise to the Grand Cayman Islands with Jessica Simpson.

You're right they wont go 9-7 though ... Like I said they'll go 7-9.

;)

[bdog1321]

That will happen for maybe a week until he gets bored and goes off on a cruise to the Grand Cayman Islands with Jessica Simpson.

You're right they wont go 9-7 though ... Like I said they'll go 7-9.

;)

Do you know what kind of work ethic that kid has? I won't go into detail, because idiots will degenerate the posting into another flame fest, but I can assure you if he does, he will have earned it 100000 times over.

AT LEAST 11-5.

[Trojan]

Jets get AFC East.
Steelers get AFC North.
Texans get AFC South.
Raiders get the AFC West.
Eages get NFC East.
Bears get NFC North.
Falcons get NFC South.
49ers get NFC West.

AFC Wildcard1 Dolphins
AFC Wildcard2 Colts
NFC Wildcard1 Redskins
NFC Wildcard2 Saints

[bdog1321]

Jets get AFC East.
Steelers get AFC North.
Texans get AFC South.
Raiders get the AFC West.
Eages get NFC East.
Bears get NFC North.
Falcons get NFC South.
49ers get NFC West.

AFC Wildcard1 Dolphins
AFC Wildcard2 Colts
NFC Wildcard1 Redskins
NFC Wildcard2 Saints

Lol. I disagree with everything but Texans, Falcons, and 49ers. IDK where you get the idea the Raiders can win a division.

[Trojan]

Who is going to beat the Raiders?

Chargers? Maybe.
Broncos? Nope.
Chiefs. Nope.

[bdog1321]

Who is going to beat the Raiders?

Chargers? Maybe.
Broncos? Nope.
Chiefs. Nope.

Chargers? Definitely. You've GOT to be kidding.
Broncos? Most likely.
Chiefs? I believe so. I predict them going .500 or higher and the Raiders picking in the top 10 in 2010.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Using the word kid =/= losing an argument. First of all, there's no argument. I explained why I used the Romo example, the original post with the Romo reference that pissed everyone off initially I said I was kidding IN THAT POST. But there were also legit reasons to use him. When I explained that, HW started flaming me. He doesn't like me. He isn't flaming me because he thinks I'm wrong. He targets me whenever he sees one of my posts. That is why I called him a kid. He is immature.

Again, you are wrong.
I'm not flaming you because I dislike you, I am flaming you because you're an idiot. If I am the immature one, then why is it that every time you attempt to argue with me over the entire "Romo/Cowboys = teh bestzorz" thing that you get pissed at me for shutting you down?
I am simply trying to imply that you are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! You did the exact same thing last off season and guess what? YOU were WRONG.

Now that I can get on topic, Romo said he'd carry the team? IF he keeps it together, they MIGHT make it to the play offs depending on injury and so on. If he doesn't, I could see this being one of the worst seasons the Cowboys have had in awhile.
Also, they will lose in the first round of the play offs, if they make it.

[Spirit_Monger]

Do you know what kind of work ethic that kid has? I won't go into detail, because idiots will degenerate the posting into another flame fest, but I can assure you if he does, he will have earned it 100000 times over.

AT LEAST 11-5.

Nope, can't say I know what his work ethic is like.
He isn't the leader type though and would much rather go on a cruise, I think. (But hey I wouldn't blame him for wanting a cruise with Jessica Simpson)

[Trojan]

Chargers? Definitely. You've GOT to be kidding.
Broncos? Most likely.
Chiefs? I believe so. I predict them going .500 or higher and the Raiders picking in the top 10 in 2010.

Raiders go about 10-6
Chargers go about 9-7
Broncos go about 4-12
Chiefs go 6-9 ish

Main reasons, two new regimes Broncos are about as far away from 3-4 playerwise as a team can get. Chiefs have Tyson Jackson, the rest are undersized for a 3-4. Chargers are ending an era. Oakland is the furthest along out of the 3 rebuilding teams.

[bdog1321]

Again, you are wrong.
I'm not flaming you because I dislike you, I am flaming you because you're an idiot. If I am the immature one, then why is it that every time you attempt to argue with me over the entire "Romo/Cowboys = teh bestzorz" thing that you get pissed at me for shutting you down?
I am simply trying to imply that you are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! You did the exact same thing last off season and guess what? YOU were WRONG.

Now that I can get on topic, Romo said he'd carry the team? IF he keeps it together, they MIGHT make it to the play offs depending on injury and so on. If he doesn't, I could see this being one of the worst seasons the Cowboys have had in awhile.
Also, they will lose in the first round of the play offs, if they make it.

Might as well throw out your entire first paragraph, because you have just proven to me that you cannot read.

Romo didn't say he'd carry the team. He said he would bring the team under his leadership and direct them like a QB should. Like Brady. Like Peyton Manning. Like Aikman. I think that if they do make the playoffs, they're going deep. NFL Championship and potentially on. They DO have the talent. They are still the best on paper, if everyone does what they say they're going to, including the coaches, they will dominate.

@hulk, I just don't think the Raiders have the tools to go 10-6. I could be wrong, but I think the Chargers will win the division easily, the only competition being potentially KC.

[Trojan]

They are still the best on paper

I would say Eagles and Redskins are right up in there for best on paper Giants aren't no joke either, wait that's just your division...

[bdog1321]

I would say Eagles and Redskins are right up in there for best on paper Giants aren't no joke either, wait that's just your division...

That's why the Redskins are trying so hard to get a good QB? :rolleyes:
Eagles will disappoint.

[Trojan]

That's why the Redskins are trying so hard to get a good QB? :rolleyes:
Eagles will disappoint.

I think the Redskins should trade Jason Cambell for linebacker depth. Colt Brenan should be handed the franchise before Jason's trade value plummets.

[bdog1321]

I think the Redskins should trade Jason Cambell for linebacker depth. Colt Brenan should be handed the franchise before Jason's trade value plummets.

So true. Did the redskins release ah I can't remember his name. That LB they signed last year that got hurt + didn't play so hot? I think his name was Jason too. Edit: NVM he was a DE. Jason Taylor.

[Medemia]

Raiders go about 10-6


Hulky, can I have some of what you are having? Have the Raiders won 10 games since they went to the Superbowl? :D Al Davis has never heard the phrase, "Speed kills" and once again, after an extremely poor draft where they went for the lowest clock speed and not for needs, they should win between 4-7 games at best. I could see them being a top 10 pick again next year.

[_Thunder_]

I could see them being a top 10 pick again next year.

I agree, their defense is terrible and they have alot of young inexperienced players on offense that are real streaky. I am not betting on the Raiders this year.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Raiders go about 10-6
Chargers go about 9-7
Broncos go about 4-12
Chiefs go 6-9 ish

Main reasons, two new regimes Broncos are about as far away from 3-4 playerwise as a team can get. Chiefs have Tyson Jackson, the rest are undersized for a 3-4. Chargers are ending an era. Oakland is the furthest along out of the 3 rebuilding teams.

Raiders winning 10 games in a season is a joke. They don't have the skill at ANY position except for running back. Al Davis substitutes skill with speed, and it's usually just 0.1 faster in the 40 yard dash.

Russel is no where near ready to be a franchise quarterback, and I personally doubt he ever will, which leaves Garcia, who is known not to have a strong arm. Heyward-Bey then becomes useless, because it's apparent he was only brought in to do what Randy Moss did with the Patriots. Javon Walker's knee limits his ability, which pretty much means the Raiders offense is screwed.

If the Raiders win the division I will personally wear a tutu.

[pils]

If the Raiders win the division I will personally wear a tutu.

When January rolls around you better believe I'm gonna be digging this post up.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Raiders winning 10 games in a season is a joke. They don't have the skill at ANY position except for running back. Al Davis substitutes skill with speed, and it's usually just 0.1 faster in the 40 yard dash.

Russel is no where near ready to be a franchise quarterback, and I personally doubt he ever will, which leaves Garcia, who is known not to have a strong arm. Heyward-Bey then becomes useless, because it's apparent he was only brought in to do what Randy Moss did with the Patriots. Javon Walker's knee limits his ability, which pretty much means the Raiders offense is screwed.

If the Raiders win the division I will personally wear a tutu.

Looks like i'll be holding both the butcher and yourself to something.

[Coffin Fedder]

He doesn't flame everypost for something to do. He flames you because A. your talking about how the Cowboys are the best thing that ever happened and don't even let someones opinion have a chance or B. your talking about your boyfriend.

I'm curious about the Texans this season. Steve Slaton proved to be one hell of a pick last year and Matt Shcuab is going to do wonders with Andre. Andre proved he is an elite caliber reciever in the NFL.
Redskins are going to get some sacks next season. Griffin and Haynesworth on the same line, got that damn linebacker presence and then you have Orakpo.

[I'malive24/7]

I can definitely see the texans winning 10, 11, and maybe with a little luck 12 (it's a stretch, but they're definitely going to be a solid team).

[Coffin Fedder]

Defintely, agree with you. I'm not much of a Texans fan but they got so much talent on that team it's kind of hard not to watch them.

[The Cheat]

This has nothing to do with the NFL but it has to do with football.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-bcschampionship-congress&prov=ap&type=lgns


I almost cried when I read it. I also got mad at the "powers that be" finally admit it is all about the money...

[Nitanius Nolund]

I can definitely see the texans winning 10, 11, and maybe with a little luck 12 (it's a stretch, but they're definitely going to be a solid team).

Not this year, but definitely within 3.

[bdog1321]

He doesn't flame everypost for something to do. He flames you because A. your talking about how the Cowboys are the best thing that ever happened and don't even let someones opinion have a chance or B. your talking about your boyfriend.

I'm curious about the Texans this season. Steve Slaton proved to be one hell of a pick last year and Matt Shcuab is going to do wonders with Andre. Andre proved he is an elite caliber reciever in the NFL.
Redskins are going to get some sacks next season. Griffin and Haynesworth on the same line, got that damn linebacker presence and then you have Orakpo.

You and your brother exhibit a rare trait: selective reading. You read only what you want to read and comment on only what you can make a point on.

[Hatchet Warrior]

You and your brother exhibit a rare trait: selective reading. You read only what you want to read and comment on only what you can make a point on.

It's a great trait, you should learn it. I don't just look for specific things to make a point on, I just look for the ones that piss you off.

[Trojan]

The Redskins signed Chase Daniel. Two consecutive years they got rookie QB's to develop that I would build a franchise around. Colt Brennan and now Chase Daniel. This is the last year of Cambell.

[Hatchet Warrior]

The Redskins signed Chase Daniel. Two consecutive years they got rookie QB's to develop that I would build a franchise around. Colt Brennan and now Chase Daniel. This is the last year of Cambell.

I agree with this entire post, but who would they start if Cambell gets injured?

[Gypsy]

The Redskins signed Chase Daniel. Two consecutive years they got rookie QB's to develop that I would build a franchise around. Colt Brennan and now Chase Daniel. This is the last year of Cambell.
Chase Daniel SUCKS. Bad.

@Cheat: Yeah, that was all over espn earlier. I saw some of the "highlights" so to speak. I'll probably read up on all the details tomorrow.

[Coffin Fedder]

You and your brother exhibit a rare trait: selective reading. You read only what you want to read and comment on only what you can make a point on.

Actually, I enjoy reading threads. To be completely honest, I pick out posts that I either agree with or disagree with. I don't how many times I've gone through this with you bud. I swear, you just don't get it do you? It's a forum don't get me wrong but it's quite annoying. I can honestly make a point on, common sense isn't so common but I have just enough to be successful. So please, don't be a dumbass. It's getting extremely old listening to you, as it is getting old listening to me ramble on and on about how damn arrogant and ignorant you get. So please. if you don't like the atmosphere. Go away.

[meat.eater]

I can definitely see the texans winning 10, 11, and maybe with a little luck 12 (it's a stretch, but they're definitely going to be a solid team).

That's a little generous. The runner up super bowl camps last year went 9-7. I don't see the Texans winning more than 8.

[bdog1321]

Actually, I enjoy reading threads. To be completely honest, I pick out posts that I either agree with or disagree with. I don't how many times I've gone through this with you bud. I swear, you just don't get it do you? It's a forum don't get me wrong but it's quite annoying. I can honestly make a point on, common sense isn't so common but I have just enough to be successful. So please, don't be a dumbass. It's getting extremely old listening to you, as it is getting old listening to me ramble on and on about how damn arrogant and ignorant you get. So please. if you don't like the atmosphere. Go away.

Excuse me for disagreeing, but it seems that you are the one stirring up trouble. You have come back, once again, after the issue has been explained, after I had said repeatedly over the course of about five god damn pages, that I don't think the Cowboys are the best ever, and I don't think ROMO is the best ever. I explained all of this in a half-pagish post a few pages ago, and a few posts later said let's be done with this, football time now. After which you came back with your rehashing post, stirring the pot with a non-issue, yet again.That's all I'll say about this again. 5 times should be enough for anyone to understand.

@meat, weren't the Texans 8-8 last year? I don't see them going static this year. 10, 11 is my range as well.

[The Cheat]

I have always liked the Texans and I have always wanted them to do well.


Not sure why though. I just like them.


I hope the Falcons can improve on their success.

[bdog1321]

I have always liked the Texans and I have always wanted them to do well.


Not sure why though. I just like them.


I hope the Falcons can improve on their success.

Speaking of the Falcons, who do you think (eventually) will take Vick?

[Nitanius Nolund]

The Patriots. They care more about winning than their reputation.

[KickAssPlaya]

i hope your happy. i just cried.
Just a smidge. ;)
If Brady gets hurt for the year during the first game again this year I'll tattoo "LOL" on my body.
:dry:
Jets get AFC East.
Steelers get AFC North.
Texans get AFC South.
Raiders get the AFC West.
Eages get NFC East.
Bears get NFC North.
Falcons get NFC South.
49ers get NFC West.

AFC Wildcard1 Dolphins
AFC Wildcard2 Colts
NFC Wildcard1 Redskins
NFC Wildcard2 Saints
You think the jets AND dolphins will do better then the Patriots? Care to go into this one?
The Patriots. They care more about winning than their reputation.

Ohhh yeah definately. We have all the convicts/people that shoot themselves/stab people, etc. ;) Only person I can see this statement holding semi-true too would be as we were signing Randy Moss but I think that he has been great on and off the field since we acquired him.

[Hugh Junit]

I have always liked the Texans and I have always wanted them to do well.


Not sure why though. I just like them.




I like them because of what they've done with their first round picks in the last few drafts. With Mario Williams, Okoye and now Brian Cushing, it's clear that long term improvement of the defense is the focus.
And with Peyton Manning in their division, it should be. I'll just always think it's cool that they picked Williams #1 overall in 2006, passing on Vince Young and Bush, even Cutler and Leinhart. I believe the Texans are a better team now ( or at least closer to being where they want ) than they'd be if they had gone with any of those other players.
And they do have some exciting, young players on offense, like Andre Johnson, Slaton and Schaub.
They're an easy team to like, for me. Except for the team name. They really phoned that one in.

[Blexican]

I like them because of what they've done with their first round picks in the last few drafts. With Mario Williams, Okoye and now Brian Cushing, it's clear that long term improvement of the defense is the focus.
And with Peyton Manning in their division, it should be. I'll just always think it's cool that they picked Williams #1 overall in 2006, passing on Vince Young and Bush, even Cutler and Leinhart. I believe the Texans are a better team now ( or at least closer to being where they want ) than they'd be if they had gone with any of those other players.
And they do have some exciting, young players on offense, like Andre Johnson, Slaton and Schaub.
They're an easy team to like, for me. Except for the team name. They really phoned that one in.

Who needs Bush first round when you can get Slaton :p

[bdog1321]

Cowboys indoor training facility just collapsed. http://www.truebluefanclub.com/blogs/writers_block.cfm?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a6f720d98-095f-4c2b-9bbb-88639ea813cbPost%3af192fce5-b144-4c9e-b63b-b6ea3bc5e7bb&sid=sitelife.truebluefanclub.com

[Coffin Fedder]

Speaking of the Falcons, who do you think (eventually) will take Vick?

I've been wondering that for the longest time. I'd say the 49ers but they do have Shaun Hill and Alex Smith so that couldn't happen. As it stands.... no-one in the NFL really needs a QB. Unless someone like the Browns or the Jags take him.

[meat.eater]

Cowboys indoor training facility just collapsed. http://www.truebluefanclub.com/blogs/writers_block.cfm?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a6f720d98-095f-4c2b-9bbb-88639ea813cbPost%3af192fce5-b144-4c9e-b63b-b6ea3bc5e7bb&sid=sitelife.truebluefanclub.com

it got hit by a tornado. It was all over the news.

[_Thunder_]

So, me and my brother are... fine. But the tornado came damn close. The winds were ridiculous.

[The Cheat]

Hugh: I agree. The Texans have the worst name in the history of sports.

Bdog: Vick will never go back to the Falcons. The owner has already said that he will never play in Atlanta again. Only someplace random like San Fran woud take him. He won't play next year anyways. 2010 maybe.


Cowboys fans: Today's weather proves that God is not a Cowboys fan. And you wonder why Romo hasn't won a playoff game yet? :p;)


Also anyone else find it strange that Farve retired for good this year and then only a few months later Madden retires? That sounds...

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6396/madden091ll0.jpg


Oh wait...nevermind. ;)

[Spirit_Monger]

Favre is going to play for the Vikings this year, didn't you hear? :rolleyes:

[Hatchet Warrior]

Favre is going to play for the Vikings this year, didn't you hear? :rolleyes:

If Favre goes to play for the Vikings this year, they will win the entire damn thing.

[The Cheat]

If Favre goes to play for the Vikings this year, they will win the entire damn thing.

No...they won't.

[Hatchet Warrior]

No...they won't.

That's the chances he'll come back to play for them, but it'd be funny.

[The Cheat]

That's the chances he'll come back to play for them, but it'd be funny.

If Farve comes back Madden comes back.

But neither will. :(

[Spirit_Monger]

Why do you guys think he asked to be released and had been asking more than once? :p
He wants to come back but not play for the Jets.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I've been wondering that for the longest time. I'd say the 49ers but they do have Shaun Hill and Alex Smith so that couldn't happen. As it stands.... no-one in the NFL really needs a QB. Unless someone like the Browns or the Jags take him.

San Francisco wouldn't do it. After what Vick did in Atlanta, no team will be willing to take him. Having Michael Vick will ruin a team's reputation.

The only coach I see willing to take him in would be Belichick.

[BaxVarlet]

I just found out about Cowboy's stadium partially collapsing due to the tornado and was going to make the tasteless joke along the lines of "Did the Cowboys need more reasons for us to make fun of them?"

Then I realized I was like 2 days late. Bah.

[Coffin Fedder]

San Francisco wouldn't do it. After what Vick did in Atlanta, no team will be willing to take him. Having Michael Vick will ruin a team's reputation.

The only coach I see willing to take him in would be Belichick.

Yeah. That's true. I was reading an old article a bit ago saying that Singletary would never pick him up either. He thinks too much of himself instead of the team when it comes to the field.

[I'malive24/7]

I wouldn't mind Bellichick taking in Vick at all...

I know the Pats can make players behave, and Vick's a super talented athlete, so I think he would end up helping the team.

[_Thunder_]

Yeah. That's true. I was reading an old article a bit ago saying that Singletary would never pick him up either. He thinks too much of himself instead of the team when it comes to the field.

So... basically... Al Davis would still take him... ;)

[The Cheat]

San Francisco wouldn't do it. After what Vick did in Atlanta, no team will be willing to take him. Having Michael Vick will ruin a team's reputation.

The only coach I see willing to take him in would be Belichick.

That Pats take vick?

What are you smoking and can I have some?


Someone will take him in time. Sadly. But not the Pats.
I just found out about Cowboy's stadium partially collapsing due to the tornado and was going to make the tasteless joke along the lines of "Did the Cowboys need more reasons for us to make fun of them?"

Then I realized I was like 2 days late. Bah.

Never too late to make fun of bdog's team.
I wouldn't mind Bellichick taking in Vick at all...

I know the Pats can make players behave, and Vick's a super talented athlete, so I think he would end up helping the team.

*insert superfan comment*

:D
So... basically... Al Davis would still take him... ;)

My money is on them to sign him one day.

[The Butcher]

Ok bdog,

What do I have to do to get that horribly out of context quote from me out of your sig?

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm, gotta love Sportscenter. Brett Favre is meeting with Brad Childress (For those of you who don't know he's the Vikings head coach) is he making another comeback?

[Blexican]

I just found out about Cowboy's stadium partially collapsing due to the tornado and was going to make the tasteless joke along the lines of "Did the Cowboys need more reasons for us to make fun of them?"

Then I realized I was like 2 days late. Bah.

You mean the cowboy practice facility?

oh and for brett. http://football.realgm.com/

[Nitanius Nolund]

Seriously Brett, how much longer can you play? Besides, if he goes to Minnesota, every Green Bay Packer fan will hate him.

Gotta love division rivalries.

[BaxVarlet]

Seriously Brett, how much longer can you play? Besides, if he goes to Minnesota, every Green Bay Packer fan will hate him.

Gotta love division rivalries.

Brett did well last season, and it's not really a mystery why he would enjoy playing in the same division as he is used to.

[Lost.Boy]

Brett F. is an Iron man if you could get a qb who is good and can teach your rookies how to play you would look at em.

The Cowboys could be in some trouble because their new practice field wasn't inspected or something close to this.

[Spirit_Monger]

Hmm, gotta love Sportscenter. Brett Favre is meeting with Brad Childress (For those of you who don't know he's the Vikings head coach) is he making another comeback?

Yes. I've been saying he's coming back to play for the Vikings! :p

[Blexican]

Brett F. is an Iron man if you could get a qb who is good and can teach your rookies how to play you would look at em.

The Cowboys could be in some trouble because their new practice field wasn't inspected or something close to this.

Why would the cowboys be in trouble? It would be either the inspection company, or the builder's fault.

[Coffin Fedder]

That didn't so some roofing standard after the building, to get it checked by the city. Apperently.

[Blexican]

That didn't so some roofing standard after the building, to get it checked by the city. Apperently.

either im reading it wierd, or that sentence did not make sense.

[The Butcher]

Why would the cowboys be in trouble? It would be either the inspection company, or the builder's fault.

Stop covering up for your murdering cowboy buddies!

[The Cheat]

God hates the Cowboys.

We have proof now.

[Coffin Fedder]

Ernie Sims, Juilian Peterson, and the new addition of Larry Foote to the Lions linebacking core. From what it looks like, that's actually a well. Good LB core.

[Spirit_Monger]

Bengals signed Roy Williams now.
I didn't really think they still needed him, but I suppose another person who hits pretty hard wont hurt us, especially in the AFC North.
I know he has been said to be a liability on pass coverage, but hopefully with the addition of Tank Johnson, Michael Johnson in the draft, Maualuga, and most of the defense returning which was ranked 12 last year, we will be able to get a decent rush off so teams can't develop a deep threat too often.
Pittsburgh and Baltimore, I wouldn't say, are huge teams for a deep threat though they definitely can do it.

I think our defense being where it is now though could get us into the playoffs. Offense might not always put up huge numbers, but should be able to score with Palmer coming back and the additions we have had. The defense will keep us in the games now.
Plus, I don't think right now anyone can win the AFC North without a good defense anyway.

[Trojan]

Brett Favre signed with the 49ers.
I figured we cut Alex 'Bust' Smith and Shaun 'Over the' Hill because we drafted that Dyslexic kid Nate Davis from Ball State in the draft. After realizing he wasn't quite ready yet I asked the front office to bring me the most confused QB in the league. Now Brett is here. I think we got ourselves a superbowl now.

Brett Favre to Crabtree is going to be sick. Superbowl no doubt.

[_Thunder_]

Brett Favre signed with the 49ers.


Brett Favre to Crabtree is going to be sick. Superbowl no doubt.

:rolleyes:

[pils]

That dyslexic comment was a low, and ignorant blow... As if that really has anything to do with his playing ability...

[bdog1321]

Brett Favre signed with the 49ers.


Brett Favre to Crabtree is going to be sick. Superbowl no doubt.

No he didn't.

[Knight~of~Honor]

i dont like the eagles or the cowboys. I'm a giants fan.


and i wore my Antonio Pierce jersey today.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Bengals pick up Brian Leonard for Orien Harris and also signed Roy Williams. They also have Hood coming in today, which I see as a good thing.

Our defense is going to be a LOT better than last year, but now we have 4 rb's looking for that 2nd place spot.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Falcons get Tony Gonzalez from the Chiefs. Matt Ryan gets another target to throw to.

I think Atlanta is going to be a big powerhouse this season.

[The Cheat]

Falcons get Tony Gonzalez from the Chiefs. Matt Ryan gets another target to throw to.

I think Atlanta is going to be a big powerhouse this season.

I hope they do.

But the NFL kinda of screwed them over this year.

You all know what Woody Page says...

[Spirit_Monger]

Bengals pick up Brian Leonard for Orien Harris and also signed Roy Williams. They also have Hood coming in today, which I see as a good thing.

Our defense is going to be a LOT better than last year, but now we have 4 rb's looking for that 2nd place spot.

Yeah I think we will be pretty good all around.
Defense was 12 last year, could be top 10 or even top 5 this year which would be great.
We have a lot of players who we will be able to switch out and for the first time in a while, people will actually compete for playing time on the defensive side.

Only big question will be how the offensive line will perform. Management has done terrible as far as those positions recently. Resigned big Willie Anderson and Levi Jones in '06. None of those players are here still.
Passed on signing Steinbach, and he went on to be a pro bowler for the Browns.

[Coffin Fedder]

Falcons get Tony Gonzalez from the Chiefs. Matt Ryan gets another target to throw to.

I think Atlanta is going to be a big powerhouse this season.

Damn straight baby. I hope they do as good as they did last season. I've said this before, all they really need is another reciever. They do have Roody White and I can never remember his name. The rookie punt returner, they also have Micheal Jenkins but he's not a consistent player. They need a player like Brandon Stokley or a Joe Jerivicius.

I'm curious to see what the Bengals will do. They've worked on that defense so much lets hope they can play in unisen. Bro, but Hood I'm assumming you mean Rodrick Hood from Arizona? He proved himself last season and the season before as a good zone CB and he's a great Kick Returner. You did lose Levi Jones and Willie Anderson, they seemed like the two main center pieces of the line. Willie Anderson was defintely the leader of the line, if I remember correctly he played all of his previous seasons as a Bengal didn't he. He's good just lost a stop and losing his strength, just shows that age does eventually catch up too you in the long run.

[Spirit_Monger]

Yeah we picked up Hood to, from AZ.
I'm thinking our defense will be playing a much, much bigger part than it has in many years.

I'm mostly worried about the right side of the line. I think our left will be ok, but C and over to the right I just don't know.

[Coffin Fedder]

They picked up the C in the 3rd round I think and he seemed pretty dominant and college. Just the right side is what I'd be worried about. Who's the oppisite side corner at the moment? Do they still have O'Neal

[Trojan]

Willie Anderson was defintely the leader of the line, if I remember correctly he played all of his previous seasons as a Bengal didn't he. He's good just lost a stop and losing his strength, just shows that age does eventually catch up too you in the long run.
Willie Anderson played as a Raven last year. Antony Collins last year round 4 tackle started a couple games last year and was good, I could see him and Andre Smith being the starters.

They picked up the C in the 3rd round I think and he seemed pretty dominant and college. Just the right side is what I'd be worried about. Who's the oppisite side corner at the moment? Do they still have O'Neal

Deltha O'Neal was a Patriot last year and is now a free agent. It's Leon Hall, Jonanthan Joesph and this year added former Cardinal Roderick Hood.

[Coffin Fedder]

Yeah. Andre Smith proved himself as the best run blocker in the league which may take some of the heat off of Carson, still though. They're going to be expecting a big passing game with Ochocinco and Coles. Do they have a half decent tight end?

[Trojan]

I think their TE last year was Ben Utech the former Colt.

[Coffin Fedder]

Ben Utech, he was a solid backup behind Clark. I'm not sure as a starter though, he was a decent blocker and a decent catcher but he didn't seem to great at reading defenses. He has the potential to be a solid starter but just needs to be worked with.

[Spirit_Monger]

Yeah our current corners are Leon Hall and Jonathan Joseph, both who look to be pretty good. I guess Rod Hood will be a backup but shouldn't be a bad one and that will give us a lot more flexibility.

I don't know how good Collins will be this year but as long as he can block fairly well I'll be happy.
Luigs is the center we got in the third I think. He's supposed to be good, but many people say he needs to get stronger. We have like 4 different people who could start at C, but 3 haven't played a down and 1 has played in like 2 games. It could turn out alright, just fairly uncertain right now.

Ben Utecht is our TE. He's mainly supposed to be a pass catcher with decent blocking. He was injured last year though so he wasn't much of a factor at all.

Don't know how productive 85 will be but if he has a good season our passing game could be great. Ocho Cinco, Coles, both good starters. Henry who isn't really a starter but is pretty fast and could be a good 2 if he stays out of trouble. Hopefully Caldwell and Simpson improve after last year and aren't injured either.

[Coffin Fedder]

Rache Caldwell is terribly underrated, in may be fairly inconsistent from time to time but he can catch a ball and a break a tackle for the first down. Damn great Slot reciever. I hate Henry, he was so terribly overrated it wasn't even funny. I hate him.

[Spirit_Monger]

Who in the hell is Rache Caldwell? Do you mean Andre Caldwell? :p

And I guess you mean Henry was overrated coming out of college?

I'm assuming you're still talking about the bengals here.

[Coffin Fedder]

I was thinking Rache Caldwell, he's played for the Chargers and Pats. He's good. My bad, Thinking of the wrong person. Yeah, we're talking about the Bengals. He was overrated out of college.

[Trojan]

Reche Caldwell has those crazy eyes.

[KickAssPlaya]

I wouldn't mind Bellichick taking in Vick at all...

I know the Pats can make players behave, and Vick's a super talented athlete, so I think he would end up helping the team.
LOL.

What would you put him as.. receiver maybe passing back? idk I wouldn't take him as a QB (if I was any team):p

[The Cheat]

LOL.

What would you put him as.. receiver maybe passing back? idk I wouldn't take him as a QB (if I was any team):p

What?

Did KAP actually just say something that made sense and was not fanboyish?

Hmm...I must go back to the lab and run some more tests.

TO THE CHEAT CAVE!

[Coffin Fedder]

All honesty, he'd be a hell of a player in that damn wildcat scheme. Could you imagine Vick, White, and Pennington all on the same time with the wildcat? That'd be outstanding but I'd hate to see the Dolphins pick him up.

[KickAssPlaya]

All honesty, he'd be a hell of a player in that damn wildcat scheme. Could you imagine Vick, White, and Pennington all on the same time with the wildcat? That'd be outstanding but I'd hate to see the Dolphins pick him up.

OMG that made me shiver!

But I didn't even think wildcat...we could use him for that :) Although the QB we drafted was for that I read on a couple articles.

And TC: you act like that's the only time ever. (and TBH I don't see how but ok..)

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm, Rams released. Pino Timnousia (Sp?) Well, actually. Spagnaulo released him without notifying anybody apperently. What was he thinking? I mean, he's an outstanding defense coach but releasing the oldest linebacker, only 6 years in the league and led the team in tackles. May of been a bad mood, but, it's spagnaulo so I do have to give him a chance.

[_Thunder_]

Rams are boned for years to come. That covers it.