For NFL Fans

[Coffin Fedder]

If they can get the damn line productive and a half decent reciever then can be a threat with the passing game. They do have Steven Jackson. He's a beast no matter what you say. He slumped last season.

[Lost.Boy]

You do realize their Qb and rb are both dealing with injury and had nothing for an offensive line except for an injured pace.

[Nitanius Nolund]

All honesty, he'd be a hell of a player in that damn wildcat scheme. Could you imagine Vick, White, and Pennington all on the same time with the wildcat? That'd be outstanding but I'd hate to see the Dolphins pick him up.

The Dolphins are already scary enough. Pat White gives them too many opportunities to come up with NEW crazy shit to take the world by storm.

And they have the Ronnie Brown experience.

[Coffin Fedder]

Ronnie Brown, I love him. Defintely not a guy I want to get hit by.

[_Thunder_]

Ronnie Brown, I love him. Defintely not a guy I want to get hit by.

Or... Jones Drew? :huh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5K1g4SDO2k

[Trojan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_dQrqiFIKI

[Coffin Fedder]

You do realize their Qb and rb are both dealing with injury and had nothing for an offensive line except for an injured pace.

I know. Can't really control that though, people do get old and that line was older then dirt. Still can't believe they got arid of Pace, hopefully it was for a good cause.

[bdog1321]

I give Favre another week of retirement.

[Coffin Fedder]

I feel bad for the Jets, both Leon Washington and Thomas Jones both sat out of Mini-camp. That isn't good.

[_Thunder_]

I feel bad for the Jets, both Leon Washington and Thomas Jones both sat out of Mini-camp. That isn't good.

I agree, these are 2 talented backs. And they need to make a deal with ATLEAST one so that they can get some good practice under way.

[Coffin Fedder]

They don't have a threat at QB from what it stands. If they don't have those two as a running back they I guess you would say have nothing.

[Trojan]

Shonn Greene is their best back anyways. I'd tell Jones to walk and resign Leon Washington.

[The Butcher]

Shonn Greene is their best back anyways. I'd tell Jones to walk and resign Leon Washington.

You are crazy.

Jones is a great back. Leon doesn't impress me too much but Jones is quality.

He helped me win FF last year :bigsmile:

[The Cheat]

People hold out of mini camp all the time.

No big deal...yet.

[Trojan]

No D'Brickshaw Ferguson, Alan Faneca, Nick Mangold, Brandon Moore, and Damien Woody made Jones last year, not to mention the threat of Farve. Easily one of the best lines in the NFL.

Shonn Greene I think is the best RB in the draft. Mark Sanchez I thought was the best QB in the draft, and Rex Ryan is my favorite coach in the NFL.


LT D'Brickshaw Ferguson
LG Alan Faneca
C Nick Mangold
RG Brandon Moore
RT Damien Woody
QB Mark Sanchez
RB Shonn Greene
RB Leon Washington
FB Tony Richardson
WR Jerricho Cotchery
WR David Clowney
TE Dustin Keller

DE Shaun Ellis
DT Kris Jenkins
DE Marques Douglas
OLB Calvin Pace
MLB Bart Scott
MLB Bryan Thomas
OLB Vernon Gholston
CB Darrelle Revis
CB Lito Sheppard
FS Jim Leonard
SS Kerry Rhodes

[The Butcher]

You can name drop all you want, Jones is a good back, and is def. better then a rookie coming in off the draft.

Not everyone can be a AP.

[Trojan]

Thomas Jones has never been a great back, in his prime he was competing for time with Cedrick Benson. He had an amazing line last year,finally a quarterback threat for the first time in his career, and he wants a pay raise now he is 30 years old. How is LT not the #1 back anymore because he hit 30, but Jones is the greatest thing ever at 30. Jones lacks talent. Shonn Greene should get the take over.

[The Butcher]

Thomas Jones has never been a great back, in his prime he was competing for time with Cedrick Benson. He had an amazing line last year,finally a quarterback threat for the first time in his career, and he wants a pay raise now he is 30 years old. How is LT not the #1 back anymore because he hit 30, but Jones is the greatest thing ever at 30. Jones lacks talent. Shonn Greene should get the take over.

I never said Jones was the "greatest thing ever". I said he was a "good back".

We'll see about Greene. I think it's unfair to Jones for you to write him off for a rookie before the season starts, but it seems you predict things way in the future all the time so..

We'll see.

[The Cheat]

Take your bets now as to how many games the lions will win.

Person who gets it correct (or comes closest to retail value without going over) wins a prize!

[The Butcher]

Detroit Lions wins for 2009 - 2010 Season Pool.

The Butcher - 6
The Cheat - 5

[The Cheat]

I am going to say 5.

[The Butcher]

I am going to say 5.

I really wanted to say 5, but I was feeling generous.

You should keep a pool edited into that post cheat so we can look back on it later, favorite it or something.

[The Cheat]

I really wanted to say 5, but I was feeling dangerous.

You should keep a pool edited into that post cheat so we can look back on it later, favorite it or something.

I could.

But you know who is better at keeping track of stuff like that?

You are. ;)

[The Butcher]

I could.

But you know who is better at keeping track of stuff like that?

You are. ;)

Crap.

Ok.. Everyone tell me your guess from 0-16 games. Playoffs (:rofl:) aren't included.

[The Cheat]

Crap.

Ok.. Everyone tell me your guess from 0-16 games. Playoffs (:rofl:) aren't included.

http://msp73.photobucket.com/albums/i201/aykis16/playoffs.jpg


I still think 5.

[bdog1321]

The same number of games the cowboys will lose next season. Maybe three.

[burnout-278]

i think lions will go 8-8

[Trojan]

Red is Loss.
Preseason 2-2
Season 9-7


ATLANTA FALCONS
Cleveland Browns
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
Buffalo Bills

New Orleans Saints
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Chicago Bears
PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Green Bay Packers
** BYE **
ST. LOUIS RAMS
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
CLEVELAND BROWNS
GREEN BAY PACKERS
Cincinnati Bengals
Baltimore Ravens
ARIZONA CARDINALS
San Francisco 49ers
CHICAGO BEARS

Jason Taylor is a Dolphin again.
He leaves to make the playoffs, they make them/he doesn't, and he is back. lol.

[bdog1321]

Red is Loss.
Preseason 2-2
Season 9-7


ATLANTA FALCONS
Cleveland Browns
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
Buffalo Bills

New Orleans Saints
MINNESOTA VIKINGS
WASHINGTON REDSKINS
Chicago Bears
PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Green Bay Packers
** BYE **
ST. LOUIS RAMS
Seattle Seahawks
Minnesota Vikings
CLEVELAND BROWNS
GREEN BAY PACKERS
Cincinnati Bengals
Baltimore Ravens
ARIZONA CARDINALS
San Francisco 49ers
CHICAGO BEARS

Jason Taylor is a Dolphin again.
He leaves to make the playoffs, they make them/he doesn't, and he is back. lol.

That team's got no more talent than KC and everyone seems to think KC will go 6-10 or below.

[_Thunder_]

4 wins for the lions. Calvin can only do so much.

[bdog1321]

4 wins for the lions. Calvin can only do so much.

Everyone ok with me or blex do the same rules last year and keep the same league going just forward a year?

Does that mean I can't join?

[_Thunder_]

Does that mean I can't join?

Wrong edit, my bad.

[Trojan]

No talent on the Lions?!

Daunte Culpepper.
Kevin Smith.
Calvin Johnson.
Brandon Pettigrew.
Ernie Sims.
Larry Foote.
Julian Peterson.
Louis Delmas.

Skill positions look solid, the rest is average. Good coach too.

[The Butcher]

No talent on the Lions?!

Daunte Culpepper.
Kevin Smith.
Calvin Johnson.
Brandon Pettigrew.
Ernie Sims.
Larry Foote.
Julian Peterson.
Louis Delmas.

Skill positions look solid, the rest is average. Good coach too.

Lol.

EDIT: NFL.com did a article on who had the best off-season. The main snipe from the article? "hard to argue against The Eagles". :wub:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8104ef18&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I also am VERY impressed with their draft and free agency. At first i was really pulling out my hair. Losing dawkins was a big hit. But i see the big picture now, and I'm on board. I honestly believe they had the best draft and Im more excited about a season then i have been in a long time. I love my birds.

Fly Eagles Fly.

[bdog1321]

Matt cassel > the lions.

[Trojan]

Matt Cassel = Derek Anderson

[Hatchet Klown]

Lol.

EDIT: NFL.com did a article on who had the best off-season. The main snipe from the article? "hard to argue against The Eagles". :wub:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8104ef18&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I also am VERY impressed with their draft and free agency. At first i was really pulling out my hair. Losing dawkins was a big hit. But i see the big picture now, and I'm on board. I honestly believe they had the best draft and Im more excited about a season then i have been in a long time. I love my birds.

Fly Eagles Fly.

They did have the best draft/free agent signings... they addressed almost all of their problems. Only thing that still hurts my head is why they went with a wideout in the first round. You're committing all that money and time into an unproven player in one of the most complex offenses (for a receiver anyway) in the NFL. The Cardinals wanted a 1st and 5th round pick for Boldin, who's a proven receiver who could fit into the Eagles scheme nicely.

I just feel they should have done what they did for Peters, use a first round pick and pick up a proven player who wants big money... you're already guranteeing decent money in the first round anyway. I am not against the pick, just boggled by it still.

Now out of all the signings I'm amped about, draft or free agent... is Weaver. Get Klecko the hell out of Fullback and get someone who has soft hands, an ability to run, block, and actually get a first down on 2nd and short without having to throw it.

Also there are a few questions... listening to 610 WIP yesterday they were talking about Shawn Andrews not really enjoying his career in Philadelphia. The Eagles invested a ton of money in trying to make him happy by bringing his brother over here aswell. If Stacey can stay physically healthy, and Shawn mentally in the game, our offensive line will be disgusting.

[The Cheat]

Matt Cassel = Derek Anderson

He might be just a tad better but not by much.

The Chiefs won't be that good.

Bdog: I say Cow boys either be 10-6 or 11-5.

They will be a wild card team.

[Trojan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcL75LvK2Kk&NR=1

Youngest ever to be drafted.

[The Cheat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcL75LvK2Kk&NR=1

Youngest ever to be drafted.

That was painful to watch.

I expect better things from your Hulky.

[Trojan]

The actual pick was Michael Bush from Louisville. I thought it was cute.

[The Cheat]

the actual pick was michael bush from louisville. I thought it was cute.

you thought wrong!

Good day sir!

[Lex]

Lol.

EDIT: NFL.com did a article on who had the best off-season. The main snipe from the article? "hard to argue against The Eagles". :wub:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8104ef18&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I also am VERY impressed with their draft and free agency. At first i was really pulling out my hair. Losing dawkins was a big hit. But i see the big picture now, and I'm on board. I honestly believe they had the best draft and Im more excited about a season then i have been in a long time. I love my birds.

Fly Eagles Fly.
It's the eagles... They won't win the superbowl. Ever.

[KickAssPlaya]

Lions go 18-1.


Cassel is way better than Anderson..

[Blexican]

Lions go 18-1.


Cassel is way better than Anderson..

why did you say lions go 18-1 and then say that cassel is better than anderson...

[Trojan]

Because we are taking bets on how the Lions do, and compared Derek Anderson to Matt Cassel.

Why did you ask?

[KickAssPlaya]

Obviously the lions thing wasn't me being serious.

However, I do think that Cassel is better then anderson. Just my personal opinion.

[_Thunder_]

Matt Cassel is mega overrated. Don't care what anyone says about him.

[KickAssPlaya]

Yeah you're right because what he did with the Patriots last year was horrible. :rolleyes:

[Trojan]

He over threw Randy Moss repeatedly.

How the hell can you do that, he runs like 60 mph.

[Blexican]

Yeah you're right because what he did with the Patriots last year was horrible. :rolleyes:

lol he had randy moss and welker... and gafney. There defense didn't hurt either... The pats will make any NFL QB look good with those guys, and the OL they have.

[_Thunder_]

Yeah you're right because what he did with the Patriots last year was horrible. :rolleyes:

If you put Brad Johnson on the pats he will put up better numbers than Cassel. Enough said.

[Trojan]

Brad Johnson also won a Superbowl.

[Blexican]

Brad Johnson also won a Superbowl.

hes also 40 years old.

[Trojan]

George Blanda played til he was 48.
Morten Anderson retired at 47 or 48.
Sean Landeta was 47 when he retired.
John Carney is 45.
Vinny Testaverde was 44.
Jerry Rice was 43 when he retired.
Brett Favre is 39 and is prolly retired.

[_Thunder_]

Brad Johnson also won a Superbowl.

You didn't catch my point. Almost any decent QB could walk into the pats and have a semi-good season. Doesn't madder who it was.

[The Butcher]

Yeah you're right because what he did with the Patriots last year was horrible. :rolleyes:

Jeff Garcia did a better job with the Eagles when he took over. And he didn't have near the receiving talent Cassel had to work with.

Cassel is nothing special, sorry KAP.

[bdog1321]

Quarterbacks don't have to be good to win the super bowl. Trent dilfer sucked man tool. Brad wasn't much better.

[pils]

You didn't catch my point. Almost any decent QB could walk into the pats and have a semi-good season. Doesn't madder who it was.

I think you missed his point. Just because Brad Johnson is 40 doesn't really mean anything, considering there have been plenty of good QBs 40+.

[_Thunder_]

I think you missed his point. Just because Brad Johnson is 40 doesn't really mean anything, considering there have been plenty of good QBs 40+.

IT DOESNT MADDER WHICH QB IT WAS. Brad was just an example... :dry:

[The Cheat]

Matt Cassel is mega overrated. Don't care what anyone says about him.

I agree 100%.

He was a product of the system.

[pils]

IT DOESNT MADDER WHICH QB IT WAS. Brad was just an example... :dry:

All hulky was saying was Brad was just a bad example... And I let the first one slide, but its matter, not madder.

[Trojan]

Brad Johnson is the man.

Cowboys just can't handle superbowl talent like Brad and Terrell.

[The Butcher]

Eagles ranked third in the power rankings?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810536b4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

FTW!

[bdog1321]

Eagles ranked third in the power rankings?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810536b4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

FTW!

How many times have they had these power rankings?How many times have they been RIGHT?

[The Butcher]

I believe this could be the first, it's based on last year's performance and off-season moves.

Philly was 16th last year at the end I believe. So it's a termendous improvement and I was not expecting them to be rated so highly, was pretty sweet.

[KickAssPlaya]

Jeff Garcia did a better job with the Eagles when he took over. And he didn't have near the receiving talent Cassel had to work with.

Cassel is nothing special, sorry KAP.
Meh, idc he isn't a Patriot anymore :p
Eagles ranked third in the power rankings?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810536b4&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

FTW!

Nice Patriots ranked #2!

I think I will be rooting for the Eagles as my NFC team this year. I really like what they did. And I have always liked McNabb. (sadly he won't get a ring..not this year)


My stupid/super early SB prediction:

Patriots vs. Eagles. ;)

[bdog1321]

Meh, idc he isn't a Patriot anymore :p


Nice Patriots ranked #2!

I think I will be rooting for the Eagles as my NFC team this year. I really like what they did. And I have always liked McNabb. (sadly he won't get a ring..not this year)


My stupid/super early SB prediction:

Patriots vs. Eagles. ;)

:butcher:

[Trojan]

Dude.
Jets.

[KickAssPlaya]

Dude.
Jets won't finish better then the Patriots. ;)

[Blexican]

Dude.
Jets won't finish better then the Patriots. ;)

I hate the pats so much.

[KickAssPlaya]

Yeah it is the cool new thing to do. :rolleyes:

[bdog1321]

Yeah it is the cool new thing to do. :rolleyes:

I am paying Marcus Stroud to break Brady's knee this year. Don't tell anyone.

[Spirit_Monger]

Favre is going to play for the Vikings this year, didn't you hear? :rolleyes:
Yes. I've been saying he's coming back to play for the Vikings! :p

I called this one a while ago. :p
He's having surgery and if all goes well with his rehab, he is signing with the Vikings.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4175616

[Trojan]

Jets are the best.
I got my Mark Sanchez jersey today.

[bdog1321]

Jets are the best.
I got my Mark Sanchez jersey today.

Get your white-out and a big BUST sticker ready, because I am envisioning 8-8.

[Trojan]

How is 8-8 a bust?
They were 9-7 with Brett Favre.
Silly Romo fan.

Mark Sanchez is at the right team. Jets will be like USC and he should do well. He would bust on certain teams, but Jets run based west coastish offense that relies on a strong 3-4 defense should be an awesome fit. He has great leadership skills and can unite the team under his control. Once they dump Thomas Jones for Shonn Greene they will have wins.

[KickAssPlaya]

Yeah bdog...real fucking funny. :dry:

[bdog1321]

Yeah bdog...real fucking funny. :dry:

Aw, you know I'm kidding, buddy.
I paid Ray Lewis.

[_Thunder_]

Jets have a boss run defense, and if they sign one of their RB's they will have a solid team IMO. I think they will make the wild card but I'm not predicting anything after that. I think Sanchez has some INT's and some mistakes but I think he will have a conservative solid season. Ive seen him play alot and I like how he moves the football. I believe in this kid.

[Trojan]

Shonn Greene is a beast.

[_Thunder_]

Shonn Greene is a beast.

Got any clips or vids for me? Because I want to believe you but I have a boner for Leon Washington :p .

[Trojan]

Got any clips or vids for me? Because I want to believe you but I have a boner for Leon Washington :p .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPN0Oa2YqM
Doak Walker Award winner last year, Jets 3rd round pick.
By far best power runner this years draft, but still has burst.

Has a great story too:
http://www.thestate.com/594/story/617523.html


Him with Leon Washington would be a good version of LenDale Whtie and Chris Johnson. Thomas Jones is just in the way of greatness. I say don't sign him, or do it and trade him to the Texans for one of their linebackers.

[bdog1321]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPN0Oa2YqM
Doak Walker Award winner last year, Jets 3rd round pick.
By far best power runner this years draft, but still has burst.

Has a great story too:
http://www.thestate.com/594/story/617523.html


Him with Leon Washington would be a good version of LenDale Whtie and Chris Johnson. Thomas Jones is just in the way of greatness. I say don't sign him, or do it and trade him to the Texans for one of their linebackers.

Almost reminds me of MBIII

[Trojan]

Except he isn't a sissy like MBIII.

[bdog1321]

Except he isn't a sissy like MBIII.

You're kidding...right? :confused::confused:

You can't say that of a rookie who's as of now an unproven player.
Not compared to MBIII who has taken more hits and lead the league in broken tackles.

[Trojan]

I'm just calling Shonn Greene not a sissy.
Jerry Jones already established MBIII is a sissy last year.

[bdog1321]

You take JJ at face value? Good one.

[_Thunder_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPN0Oa2YqM
Doak Walker Award winner last year, Jets 3rd round pick.
By far best power runner this years draft, but still has burst.

Has a great story too:
http://www.thestate.com/594/story/617523.html


Him with Leon Washington would be a good version of LenDale Whtie and Chris Johnson. Thomas Jones is just in the way of greatness. I say don't sign him, or do it and trade him to the Texans for one of their linebackers.

I have to say I'm impressed, but I do not think starting his first year in is the right thing for him. Being a 3rd down back and learning from the pro's is what he needs to do in atleast his first year. I'm not saying that he is better or worse than Jones, I would just rather have Jones starting over a rookie.

[Trojan]

Steve Slaton.
Chris Johnson.
Matt Forte.
Jonathan Stewart.
Darren McFadden.
Kevin Smith.
Felix Jones.

That was just 2008 running backs with a huge team impact.

[_Thunder_]

Steve Slaton.
Chris Johnson.
Matt Forte.
Jonathan Stewart.
Darren McFadden.
Kevin Smith.
Felix Jones.

That was just 2008 running backs with a huge team impact.

And how many started RIGHT out of the gate?

Dos. And that is because their other RB's were terrible. Jones is not terrible, and if he resigns he will get the start. Like I said, he will have an impact still... just if they put him as a 3rd down back, he just isn't a starter right out of the draft sorry.

[Trojan]

Brett Favre and the Mississippi Boys should shoot Thomas Jones in the leg and drag him into retirement as well.

[Unforgottner]

Wanna know how I know the Bills are in for a good season?

More of our players will be in jail than at training camp.

[KickAssPlaya]

I've been trying to figure out who MBIII was..but can't seem to do so..help? =\

[DarkMethod GL]

Marion Barber

[KickAssPlaya]

Thank you kind sir.

And how you been? you went rogue on us. :eek:

[DarkMethod GL]

No problem. I've been doing good, I just didn't post as much when I was at college but now I'm done for the summer so I have more time :)

[burnout-278]

bret favre might be a viking soon, that would be kind cool

[Trojan]

Marion Barber III

MBIII lines up behind Our Homo and runs it up the gut, known for dancing around before hitting the hole hard.

[The Butcher]

bret favre might be a viking soon, that would be kind cool

Try to keep up.

I'm still stoked about Philly get ranked 3rd in the first rankings. I know its the first rankings, but I didn't expect him to rank them so high. I was thinking 6, 7 or 8th. I was very pleased. It's good to know some of the experts agree with my assessment of their off-season.

Did anyone watch "Fourth and Inches" or is it "Forth and Short" w/e on spike last night? First of all, let me say how hilarous it is that the team they are competing for is THE COWBOYS. Only a jackass publicity whore team like that would take on a project like that in the off season instead of, I don't know, focusing on winning football games. (I understand that the team isn't directly involved, and the show could have been taped a good time in the past, but still, do you really need something like that going on when you are trying to get your first playoff win in years? I think it was a silly move. Maybe something better for the browns or the lions) But aside from that point, the show was pretty good. They kicked the right guy off at the end and the show was all football, not a lot of reality show BS. I will watch it again. Mondays at 10PM EST.

I, of course, am rooting for the fella who was on last year's Philly Soul championship arena team. I also learned last night from a interview with him that they cancelled the arena league this year. Bummer. It's actually pretty entertaining if you have haven't ever watched it.

[Trojan]

Arena Football isn't gone, its taking a year off to reorganize business.

[The Butcher]

Arena Football isn't gone, its taking a year off to reorganize business.

I said "cancelled this year".

Ever watch it? Pretty entertaining.

[Trojan]

I live in Tampa, I went to the Tampa Bay Storm games. They motion the tailback back to a post route every play. Its predictable as all get out and anyone can throw TDs. FG is thin, but distance is eay too.

[The Butcher]

Is that tailback motion the same as when they like get a running start for a handoff before the play? Pretty strange

[Trojan]

Like he charges to the line then the ball is snapped right before he crosses, they either quick pass to him on an instant cut, or bomb it deep to him.

[The Butcher]

Like he charges to the line then the ball is snapped right before he crosses, they either quick pass to him on an instant cut, or bomb it deep to him.

Yup, that's it.

[The Cheat]

Brett Favre and the Mississippi Boys should shoot Thomas Jones in the leg and drag him into retirement as well.

That is considered to be a hate crime last I heard.
Arena Football isn't gone, its taking a year off to reorganize business.

I know. that sucks.


We have a minor league arena football team in my town. Fun times.

[Coffin Fedder]

I've heard at least a thousand stories of Brett Favre on Sportscenter. He's getting surgery and retired still. He's not getting it and signing with the Vikings. He's going to jerk of with a wild kangaroo! Which one will it be?

Apperently the Saints are looking at Edge James as a Running Back. I think he would be a half decent fit with Bush and the other guy. Umm, Thomas? I believe.

[_Thunder_]

I've heard at least a thousand stories of Brett Favre on Sportscenter. He's getting surgery and retired still. He's not getting it and signing with the Vikings. He's going to jerk of with a wild kangaroo! Which one will it be?

Apperently the Saints are looking at Edge James as a Running Back. I think he would be a half decent fit with Bush and the other guy. Umm, Thomas? I believe.

Eh, I think they should just stick with bush, hes terribly overrated but they need to just give him a full season of starting.

[Coffin Fedder]

Yeah. He's elusive and just fast. He's Fast, period. No if ends and butts. He's incredibly talented but he doesn't take a hit when he should. Rather run out of bounds then get the first down.

[_Thunder_]

Yeah. He's elusive and just fast. He's Fast, period. No if ends and butts. He's incredibly talented but he doesn't take a hit when he should. Rather run out of bounds then get the first down.

I agree, I think he was overrated coming into the NFL, but once he realizes his potential I think he will be a great RB.

[Coffin Fedder]

Yeah. He's a great sweep running back, not a bad draw option either. He can catch a pass and he's one of the best punt and kick returners. I'd want to see him in a wildcat offense, but with Drew Brees he's a dominating influence as a passer, (5000 yards this season, duh)

[bdog1321]

Yeah. He's a great sweep running back, not a bad draw option either. He can catch a pass and he's one of the best punt and kick returners. I'd want to see him in a wildcat offense, but with Drew Brees he's a dominating influence as a passer, (5000 yards this season, duh)

Using him more though might be the key to taking the stress off of Drew to carry the team. He will be more relaxed because he won't have as much riding on him with a better ground game, so maybe he will throw less interceptions. If that happens, everyone should be scared. They're trying the same thing in Dallas.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Using him more though might be the key to taking the stress off of Drew to carry the team. He will be more relaxed because he won't have as much riding on him with a better ground game, so maybe he will throw less interceptions. If that happens, everyone should be scared. They're trying the same thing in Dallas.

I got 20 dollars saying Dallas won't be able to get this down.

Using him more may cost the Saints more than they really need/want.

[_Thunder_]

I got 20 dollars saying Dallas won't be able to get this down.

Using him more may cost the Saints more than they really need/want.

I will NOT go against that bet.

[bdog1321]

I got 20 dollars saying Dallas won't be able to get this down.

Using him more may cost the Saints more than they really need/want.

I actually like everyone betting against us so early. All the more satisfying when it comes time to recollect these brash claims. :P

[Lost.Boy]

if anything they should be doing what walsh did and use their passing to set up their run.

[Hatchet Warrior]

I actually like everyone betting against us so early. All the more satisfying when it comes time to recollect these brash claims. :P

I'm not trying to say the Cowboys will do horrible, but this is a new system they're trying to run. It will NOT work the first year and if it does, I will be surprised.
They do need pressure off of Romo, but it can really hurt the team. If your RB gets injured, I see the Cowboys in a worse position than the were in last year.

[bdog1321]

I'm not trying to say the Cowboys will do horrible, but this is a new system they're trying to run. It will NOT work the first year and if it does, I will be surprised.
They do need pressure off of Romo, but it can really hurt the team. If your RB gets injured, I see the Cowboys in a worse position than the were in last year.

That's why they have 3. Lol.

[Hatchet Warrior]

That's why they have 3. Lol.

Does that really matter? NO!

I mean, look at the Bronco's last year.

[_Thunder_]

Does that really matter? NO!

I mean, look at the Bronco's last year.

This is true.. But the boys have 2 good ones. Felix has great potential if they play him like they did last year. 3.. eh not so much, I know who Tashard Choice is but... hes iffy.

[Hatchet Warrior]

This is true.. But the boys have 2 good ones. Felix has great potential if they play him like they did last year. 3.. eh not so much, I know who Tashard Choice is but... hes iffy.

All it takes is an iffy player to hurt the team. If it's Choice and Felix because of an injury, this system could turn for the worst quickly unless they do really well.

[Trojan]

Cowboys have good runningbacks, but it's not like they can't be stopped like an Adrian Peterson or LT.

The Cowboys tandem of backs reminds me of what the Titans have. As we all saw Thanksgiving Titans V. Lions White and Johnson ran whereever they wanted, but against the Bears they were shut down. I don't see the Cowboys pressing through playoff teams defenses, it will take Romo and Roy Williams/Patrick Crayton (whoever is #2, Miles Austin?)/Jason Witten to make a real push. I think the 49ers will do better than the Cowboys this year.

[Unforgottner]

LT is waaaay over the hill.

[Trojan]

he is turning 30

[Unforgottner]

He'll only have progressively worse seasons from here on out.

[KickAssPlaya]

LT is waaaay over the hill.

I'd take him in a heartbeat.

;)

[Trojan]

I've seen mock dragts where LT was a round 2 pick. Thatd be a dream.

[Blexican]

I think the 49ers will do better than the Cowboys this year.

I lol'd

[Coffin Fedder]

I actually like everyone betting against us so early. All the more satisfying when it comes time to recollect these brash claims. :P

You basically said the same thing last season and they didn't even make the freaking playoffs. I swear man, go one post without the damn Cowboys. I mean, I understand I haven't been near as active but still in this thread you're on your cowboys every damn second. Please, talk about a different team. You don't hear us all talk about our teams every second we can. I've broughten up literally all 32 teams in the NFL and analyze at least 5 on a weekly basis in this thread. At least bring up two other teams.

[The Butcher]

That's why they have 3. Lol.

2 of which are injury prone.

[The Butcher]

Vick is out of prison...

SAVE YOUR DOGS

[bdog1321]

You basically said the same thing last season and they didn't even make the freaking playoffs. I swear man, go one post without the damn Cowboys. I mean, I understand I haven't been near as active but still in this thread you're on your cowboys every damn second. Please, talk about a different team. You don't hear us all talk about our teams every second we can. I've broughten up literally all 32 teams in the NFL and analyze at least 5 on a weekly basis in this thread. At least bring up two other teams.


I still think the Chiefs should take Boldin. They'd have a pretty good offense if they did. I'm not up to date on their line but with Cassel, Holt, Johnson I think their RB's named, they've got a decent core.

Jets with Campbell....? They seemed more like a big play kinda team last year. Campbell is not a big play quarterback.

Two. I wouldn't be talking about them so much if everyone wasn't jabbing at them every five posts. Sometimes (lots of times, in this forum's case) you just have to call bullcrap bullcrap.
Plus, if you're going to criticize me for it, your criticism also extends to spirit monger.

P.S. broughten isn't a word.

[The Cheat]

I've heard at least a thousand stories of Brett Favre on Sportscenter. He's getting surgery and retired still. He's not getting it and signing with the Vikings. He's going to jerk of with a wild kangaroo! Which one will it be?

Apperently the Saints are looking at Edge James as a Running Back. I think he would be a half decent fit with Bush and the other guy. Umm, Thomas? I believe.

The kangaroo story has been confermed my seveal sources.

He won't play this year. Or ever again.

That is good for the saints. You need a power back and a fast back to win now a days.
I agree, I think he was overrated coming into the NFL, but once he realizes his potential I think he will be a great RB.

Nope.

He is will be a ok to good back. But not a great back. He is not a pure running back. He never is or ever will be.
LT is waaaay over the hill.

Yes he is. Most really good RB's don't last that long.


I think we all need to look at the quote in Unfo sig.

My god...the NFL won't be the same without madden.

[DarkMethod GL]

Pierre Thomas is a better well rounded back than Bush is. That's why the Saints had him as the back that took most of the carries the second half of last year. They should just keep Thomas as the main back and use Bush for receiving and explosive plays like they did last year.

[The Cheat]

Pierre Thomas is a better well rounded back than Bush is. That's why the Saints had him as the back that took most of the carries the second half of last year. They should just keep Thomas as the main back and use Bush for receiving and explosive plays like they did last year.

I agree 100%. That is what makes Bush good...he was never meant to be a every down back.

[bdog1321]

I agree 100%. That is what makes Bush good...he was never meant to be a every down back.

I could make a reference but CF would get pissy.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Does that really matter? NO!

I mean, look at the Bronco's last year.

Don't be hating on my Broncos. We had injury prone backs, and in all honesty, none of the starting guys were all that great, which was the reason for having a rotation in the first place. Had we had one stand-out guy at the start of the year (for example, we knew Peyton Hillis would be our top rusher) they would have gotten the full time job, and have very few reps given to the other guys. However, we didn't have a stand out guy who could carry the ball 20 times a game, so we gave it to 3 of them. Then 4, then 5, etc, etc.

This year we have Knowshon Moreno. And frankly, I don't care what anyone thinks, he will get the starting job, and he will carry the ball a lot. I'm not trying to dock LaMont Jordan or Correll Buckhalter, but they aren't 22 and coming off a record setting career at Georgia (in only 2 years no doubt). Buckhalter, who played backup to Brian Westbrook at Philadelphia will be the #2 guy. Buckhalter is a good back, but his role will continue to be the backup man. Out of the rest of the backfielders, he is the "backup specialist". Arrington will be the returner of punts/kicks, possibly with either Eddie Royal or Ryan Torain (I'd personally rather see Torain back there than Royal, who will see a lot of playing time as a starter).

Personally, I'd like to see us drop Jordan. We have Peyton Hillis, who is more than capable of carrying the ball (and has proved to be a viable receiver as well, making him rather useful in the new system). However, I'm not Josh McDaniels, and have no idea what he's actually planning.

Oh, and I totally agree with Hulky saying the 49ers will have a better season than the Cowboys. San Fransisco has itself a couple of good receivers in Isaac Bruce (albeit, Bruce is getting older, but he's still able to hold onto the ball) and Michael Crabtree, as well as a top notch runner in Frank Gore. They need to address their QB needs, either by grabbing somebody on waivers, or getting one in the draft next year (I think Joe Ganz from Nebraska would actually be a nice fit for them and would be able to be picked up in the later rounds), but I see the 49ers making real steps to becoming a threat again.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Pierre Thomas is a better well rounded back than Bush is. That's why the Saints had him as the back that took most of the carries the second half of last year. They should just keep Thomas as the main back and use Bush for receiving and explosive plays like they did last year.

I love Pierre Thomas as a back. He's a highly underrated player to most people, but he is an all around back. If Bush goes down again this year, he has every chance to do what Michael Turner did his last season with the Chargers. Of course, I think New Orleans would be fools to let Thomas go.

Bush should be their specialist and 3rd down threat, similar to what JJ Arrington was in Arizona. His extra burst is great late in the game when you need that home run, but Thomas is a better fit for the majority of the game.

[Coffin Fedder]

I could make a reference but CF would get pissy.

Not pissy. I don't mind if you make a reference, but I don't want to see in every damn post I see of yours, "Cowboys are the shiz... Superbowl..... Cowboys Cowboys Cowboys" Honestly. Get off the Cowboys dick for a little while. Your butt has to be hurting by now.

[bdog1321]

nvm

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm. Walt Harris is out apperently for the whole season for the 49ers. See then picking up another corner or trading for one?

Also, what do you think about the Packers switching the the 3-4? Raji is a dominating presence at DT but I don't think they have the LB core for it. They have Aj Hawk and a few others but I just don't see the speed.

[Nitanius Nolund]

The Packers were turnover monsters last year. It's easy to see that the secondary is the heart of that defense. The 3-4 will be interesting for them. If Raji can plug the middle well, it should be fine. Green Bay likely wouldn't do any better in either scheme, so we'll see how things play out.

[Trojan]

Also, what do you think about the Packers switching the the 3-4? Raji is a dominating presence at DT but I don't think they have the LB core for it. They have Aj Hawk and a few others but I just don't see the speed.

???

AJ Hawk
Nick Barnett
Aaron Kampman (was DE last year)
Clay Matthews III (USC 1st round pick 3-4 specialist)


and nobody cares about Walt Harris, I'd pick up Chris McCalister. Why doesn't anyone pick him up?

[bdog1321]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81080d3e/T-O-calls-out-Romo

stfu alrdy

[Nitanius Nolund]

stfu alrdy

That's what everybody is thinking every time you bring up the Cowboys.

[bdog1321]

That's what everybody is thinking every time you bring up the Cowboys.

Unnecessary.

[Nitanius Nolund]

No...it was highly necessary. And I'm sure just about everyone who posts in this thread will agree with my above statement.

But please, if I hit a nerve, feel free to go cry in a corner and touch yourself to pictures of your idol Tony Romo.

[_Thunder_]

This is not news, it's stupid drama between 2 people that are not even on the same team anymore from a TWITTER account. :rolleyes:

[The Cheat]

That's what everybody is thinking every time you bring up the Cowboys.

Well said IROK. Well said.
No...it was highly necessary. And I'm sure just about everyone who posts in this thread will agree with my above statement.

But please, if I hit a nerve, feel free to go cry in a corner and touch yourself to pictures of your idol Tony Romo.

I agree 1000000%.

Has been finally confermed that Bdog does wack it to a picture of Romo? I thought that was just a rumor.

I also find it funny that as soon as TO leaves Dallas, Bdog doesn't seem to like him.


But people. The NFL is back now.

ESPN told me so. SEVERAL times today. You know why?

DO YOU KNOW WHY?

Brady practiced today. He WALKED out on to the field.

As last...the God-King of the NFL is back.

[Hatchet Warrior]

I predict Brady playing like shit all year or getting injured within the first 3 regular season games.

[The Cheat]

I predict Brady playing like shit all year or getting injured within the first 3 regular season games.

Can't. NFL won't let that happen.

[Nitanius Nolund]

As last...the God-King of the NFL is back.

Favre hasn't signed with Vikings yet...

Oh wait, you're not talking about age, you're talking about over-hyped players.

Please continue.

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm.Will Allen got a contact extension, he's a blazing fast corner who can jump and hang with some of the best. He may not cut the best for his speed but he'll catch back up. Good move on the Dolphins part in my opinion.

[The Cheat]

Favre hasn't signed with Vikings yet...

Oh wait, you're not talking about age, you're talking about over-hyped players.

Please continue.

Over hyped?

Don't you know that Brady is the best QB to EVER play the game?

ESPN told me so.

Several times.

[The Butcher]

Over hyped?

Don't you know that Brady is the best QB to EVER play the game?

ESPN told me so.

Several times.

That's debatable.

[The Cheat]

That's debatable.

You must not watch ESPN then.

Brady is a GOD.


He really is the GOAT (greatest of all time)

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/BradyGOAT.jpg

[Spirit_Monger]

He looks mass gay in that picture.

[Nitanius Nolund]

He looks mass gay in that picture.

Because he doesn't look mass gay in every picture?

[bdog1321]

No...it was highly necessary. And I'm sure just about everyone who posts in this thread will agree with my above statement.

But please, if I hit a nerve, feel free to go cry in a corner and touch yourself to pictures of your idol Tony Romo.

Bullcrap. Put up or shut up.
If someone agreed with me that the sky was red, would I feel it necessary to go around yelling how it was red and not blue? No.

I didn't start anything with you, so don't even type at me. Alright? Back to football.

[Coffin Fedder]

Hey! Good job. You went straight back to Football. You get a gold star for today. But, on the otherside of the coin. Brady isn't the best QB in the history of football. I don't care what anybody says,.

[bdog1321]

Brady is a product of the system.

[KickAssPlaya]

Brady practiced today. He WALKED out on to the field.

As last...the God-King of the NFL is back.
QFT.
Favre hasn't signed with Vikings yet...

Oh wait, you're not talking about age, you're talking about over-hyped players.

Please continue.

Ohh yeah because Brady hasn't done anything. He is WAY over-hyped. You're all a bunch of jackass haters.

How is the QB with most of the single season records, 3 SB rings, 2 SB MVPs, 1 regular season MVP overrated??

But yeah I totally see it where you are coming from. Brady SUCKS. :rolleyes:

[_Thunder_]

Ohh yeah because Brady hasn't done anything. He is WAY over-hyped. You're all a bunch of jackass haters.

How is the QB with most of the single season records, 3 SB rings, 2 SB MVPs, 1 regular season MVP overrated??

But yeah I totally see it where you are coming from. Brady SUCKS. :rolleyes:

Is Tom Brady overrated? No.

Is he the greatest QB of all time? Up for debate

Is Brady a bad player? Hell no (I think we can all agree on that, and if you can't you are kind of ignorant.)

Do some people think hes the greatest because hes on their favorite team? Ya they do. Not saying you KAP but it just happens, people have tunnel vision about their team only when these kinds of questions surface.

Do I hate him? Ya, but that doesn't mean I don't think he is the best QB statistically in the league right now.

[bdog1321]

Is Tom Brady overrated? No.

Is he the greatest QB of all time? Up for debate

Is Brady a bad player? Hell no (I think we can all agree on that, and if you can't you are kind of ignorant.)

Do some people think hes the greatest because hes on their favorite team? Ya they do. Not saying you KAP but it just happens, people have tunnel vision about their team only when these kinds of questions surface.

Do I hate him? Ya, but that doesn't mean I don't think he is the best QB statistically in the league right now.

Strictly speaking he's one of the worst. He had like 58 yards the entire year. Over his career, I tend to agree with you.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Ohh yeah because Brady hasn't done anything. He is WAY over-hyped. You're all a bunch of jackass haters.

How is the QB with most of the single season records, 3 SB rings, 2 SB MVPs, 1 regular season MVP overrated??

But yeah I totally see it where you are coming from. Brady SUCKS. :rolleyes:

First off:

Over-hyped - That has been promoted or publicized excessively
Overrated - Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field; not necessarily related to popularity

I said Brady is over-hyped, because he really is. Last season is a great example. Brady goes down, the NFL is hit with this overwhelming tragedy. Frankly, that's a load of crap. The Pats did perfectly fine with Cassel at the helm, and the fact that ESPN thinks that the NFL is only back now that Brady can walk onto a football field is rather dumb.

Do I think Brady is the best QB in history? Hell no. I put Joe Montana and John Elway ahead of Brady any day of the week.

Do I think Brady is the best QB in football today? No. I think Brady has the best numbers, but that doesn't make him the best QB (see: Jay Cutler's 4,000 yards). Brady was able to put up great numbers with lesser talented WRs because he had a system that allowed him to get receivers open (play a game of Madden and look how many different shotgun formations the Patriots have). He got Randy Moss and Wes Welker and all of a sudden he had real talent and it led to his record setting season.

My personal opinion of the best QB in the NFL today belongs to Drew Brees, and frankly, if you don't agree with me I don't care. I've thought that for a couple of years now.

I think that Brady is a good quarterback, and statistically the best in the league. But I think he's given way too much media attention, and I personally think he's over-hyped.

*waits for the tl;dr comments*

[Coffin Fedder]

NN, I actually agree with you in that whole statement. Drew Brees has had great receivers to work with no matter who they were. They understood the route, which is something a lot of players don't. McNabb is up there also, he may not be as consistent as some players but he's never really had a great core to work with either. The line and Backs have been phenomenal but he's never really had a wideout until now. TO is just overrated.

[KickAssPlaya]

Is Tom Brady overrated? No.

Is he the greatest QB of all time? Up for debate

Is Brady a bad player? Hell no (I think we can all agree on that, and if you can't you are kind of ignorant.)

Do some people think hes the greatest because hes on their favorite team? Ya they do. Not saying you KAP but it just happens, people have tunnel vision about their team only when these kinds of questions surface.

Do I hate him? Ya, but that doesn't mean I don't think he is the best QB statistically in the league right now.
I'm not saying TB is the best QB of all time. All I was arguing/mentioning is that how do people think he is overrated or that he sucks. He has shown he is good by his numbers.
First off:

Over-hyped - That has been promoted or publicized excessively
Overrated - Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field; not necessarily related to popularity

I said Brady is over-hyped, because he really is. Last season is a great example. Brady goes down, the NFL is hit with this overwhelming tragedy. Frankly, that's a load of crap. The Pats did perfectly fine with Cassel at the helm, and the fact that ESPN thinks that the NFL is only back now that Brady can walk onto a football field is rather dumb.

Do I think Brady is the best QB in history? Hell no. I put Joe Montana and John Elway ahead of Brady any day of the week.

Do I think Brady is the best QB in football today? No. I think Brady has the best numbers, but that doesn't make him the best QB (see: Jay Cutler's 4,000 yards). Brady was able to put up great numbers with lesser talented WRs because he had a system that allowed him to get receivers open (play a game of Madden and look how many different shotgun formations the Patriots have). He got Randy Moss and Wes Welker and all of a sudden he had real talent and it led to his record setting season.

My personal opinion of the best QB in the NFL today belongs to Drew Brees, and frankly, if you don't agree with me I don't care. I've thought that for a couple of years now.

I think that Brady is a good quarterback, and statistically the best in the league. But I think he's given way too much media attention, and I personally think he's over-hyped.

*waits for the tl;dr comments

As for the overhyped/overrated comments my bad. I didn't realized what you were saying..but my post is still valid because there are quite a few people who have said that.

As for your example..a big time player goes down in the FIRST game and is DONE for the SEASON. How is that not a hit to the league? Anytime a suprstar gets hurt it is a hit to the league. ;)

The way he was able to be successful with no names and then have record setting seasons with some big names should prove he is good. Even if your arguement is "ohh he's just a product of the system!!" He was able to be a SUCCESSFUL product.

You're saying Drew Brees is better then Brady or Manning? Can I hear your reasons? I'm interested. I'd pick a couple of QB's before Brees..


At CF: I actually like McNabb and would like to see him get a ring before he retires.

At bdog: stfu. He played less then ONE half all year. :dry:

[bdog1321]

At bdog: stfu.

I get that a lot. :eek:

[Nitanius Nolund]

You're saying Drew Brees is better then Brady or Manning? Can I hear your reasons? I'm interested. I'd pick a couple of QB's before Brees..

Well, for one, look at the numbers Brees has put up in just the last 2 years. Did he set records like Brady? No. But He also didn't have big name receivers. Yeah, he has Colston, but how long was Colston out for this year? Like Brady did before he got Moss and Welker, Brees makes his receivers great. I mean, Lance Moore was a free agent and became one of the best receivers in the league last year. Brees is consistent, and his poise is one of the best I've seen in the NFL.

I think this topic from NFL.com fits our little discussion here perfectly.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8108d049&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

[bdog1321]

Well, for one, look at the numbers Brees has put up in just the last 2 years. Did he set records like Brady? No. But He also didn't have big name receivers. Yeah, he has Colston, but how long was Colston out for this year? Like Brady did before he got Moss and Welker, Brees makes his receivers great. I mean, Lance Moore was a free agent and became one of the best receivers in the league last year. Brees is consistent, and his poise is one of the best I've seen in the NFL.

I think this topic from NFL.com fits our little discussion here perfectly.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8108d049&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

He is also consistent in his INTs. As I'm sure you know, numbers don't make the QB. If they did, Romo wouldn't be laughed at so much. I'd take Brady over Brees in the big game any day because I can count on Brady not to throw the game-losing interception 99% of the time. He is, without question (except for MAYBE Peyton), the best QB in the league right now.

[Trojan]

"On January 21, 2007, Brees led the Saints to the franchise's first NFC Championship Game against the Chicago Bears. Though he completed 27 of 49 passes for 354 yards, and two touchdowns, Brees committed three costly turnovers. He was also penalized for an intentional grounding in the endzone, resulting in a safety."

3 turnovers, and a dumb mistake resulting in a safety. I remember that game vividly, I considered Breees one of the Top QBs back then. Throwing the ball out of bounds when you are standing in the endzone is zero awareness though, like goof ball lions QB last year Dan Orlovsky. I still consider Brees Top 3 in the league right now.

Tom Brady at number one.
Top reasons:
Won 3 super bowls.
Superbowl MVP twice, NFL MVP once.
Since starting has made the Patriots a perrenial threat.
Who the hell are his recievers? Randy Moss yeah. Wes Welker before Brady? Troy Brown? Deion Branch? Who the heck else? Exactly.

[The Cheat]

I respect Brady as a player but I will a;ways hate the man.

I still don't think he would be as good a QB if he played outside of NE.

[Coffin Fedder]

I want to see him play with the Colts. Peyton's always had a good line but never as good of line as Brady.

[bdog1321]

I respect Brady as a player but I will a;ways hate the man.

Because he's a republican? :p

[Nitanius Nolund]

I want to see him play with the Colts. Peyton's always had a good line but never as good of line as Brady.

I honestly think that Denver's offensive line is better than New England's. Frankly, I think Denver has the best offensive line for pass protection, and Minnesota has the best offensive line for running the ball.

[Lex]

Eli manning is the greatest quarterback ever.

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm, I agree with Minnesota completely. Denver 'had' the best passing line for many years. But, the line has gotten so old. That's a toughy for who has the best line.

[_Thunder_]

and Minnesota has the best offensive line for running the ball.
100% Correct. Give them 50% of the credit to AP's success. Ya AP has amazing talent, but so does alot of RB's in the league. This OL made/makes him 10x more dangerous than any other RB in the league.

[nomar]

1) Indy's line has been one of the best, if not the best since Manning's been there (except for last season...and maybe the season before b/c of injuries).

2) Brady would do just fine on any team. Don't give me "He wouldn't be that great outside of N.E.". He had WR's the likes of David Patten, David Givens, Troy Brown, Bethal Johnson, Deion Branch....and just about a gang of no ones as RB's (except for 1 GREAT season by Corey Dillon).

3) People hate on him b/c the Pats are a dynasty, BB, Brady IS a STUD and he is a good looking guy to boot. He simply has it all. Rich, Succesful, Top notch athlete, looks and he's banging the hottest chic on this planet (there could be hotter girls on different planets).

[Spirit_Monger]

Cincy HAD a great line back in '05 ...
Sadly, a few years of poor management later, and that line is only a distant memory. :(

[KickAssPlaya]

Well, for one, look at the numbers Brees has put up in just the last 2 years. Did he set records like Brady? No. But He also didn't have big name receivers. Yeah, he has Colston, but how long was Colston out for this year? Like Brady did before he got Moss and Welker, Brees makes his receivers great. I mean, Lance Moore was a free agent and became one of the best receivers in the league last year. Brees is consistent, and his poise is one of the best I've seen in the NFL.

I think this topic from NFL.com fits our little discussion here perfectly.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8108d049&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
So you're saying he is better because he gets a lot of FF points? And as a couple people mentioned..brees caves in big games. (like romo)had to throw that in there =P
"On January 21, 2007, Brees led the Saints to the franchise's first NFC Championship Game against the Chicago Bears. Though he completed 27 of 49 passes for 354 yards, and two touchdowns, Brees committed three costly turnovers. He was also penalized for an intentional grounding in the endzone, resulting in a safety."

3 turnovers, and a dumb mistake resulting in a safety. I remember that game vividly, I considered Breees one of the Top QBs back then. Throwing the ball out of bounds when you are standing in the endzone is zero awareness though, like goof ball lions QB last year Dan Orlovsky. I still consider Brees Top 3 in the league right now.

Tom Brady at number one.
Top reasons:
Won 3 super bowls.
Superbowl MVP twice, NFL MVP once.
Since starting has made the Patriots a perrenial threat.
Who the hell are his recievers? Randy Moss yeah. Wes Welker before Brady? Troy Brown? Deion Branch? Who the heck else? Exactly.
Thank you. Maybe more people will pay attention to your posts then mine. :rolleyes:
1) Indy's line has been one of the best, if not the best since Manning's been there (except for last season...and maybe the season before b/c of injuries).

2) Brady would do just fine on any team. Don't give me "He wouldn't be that great outside of N.E.". He had WR's the likes of David Patten, David Givens, Troy Brown, Bethal Johnson, Deion Branch....and just about a gang of no ones as RB's (except for 1 GREAT season by Corey Dillon).

3) People hate on him b/c the Pats are a dynasty, BB, Brady IS a STUD and he is a good looking guy to boot. He simply has it all. Rich, Succesful, Top notch athlete, looks and he's banging the hottest chic on this planet (there could be hotter girls on different planets).

Agreed. 150%

[Lost.Boy]

How about the eagles new O-Line ? beast?

[Trojan]

Let's see how the Eagles line works together before we call them beast, two new starting Tackles.

[The Cheat]

Brady Sucks.

Pats Suck.

End of story.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Talk about a short contract.

Denver cut JJ Arrington after he failed a physical on his knee. That should make for some interesting scenarios, seeing as Moreno is now given a much larger role.

[The Cheat]

I find it hard to care about the NFL during the offseason.


Let's play already!

[bdog1321]

I find it hard to care about the NFL during the offseason.


Let's play already!

Play madden?

[KickAssPlaya]

Brady Sucks.

Pats Suck.

End of story.

And you talk of other people hating?? You're just ignorant.


NN: I'm excited to see what Moreno brings.

[The Cheat]

Play madden?

I do every other day. Madden 2008 on the PS2 FTW!

But i was feeling old school this week so I busted out Madden 64.

It is so old...the Browns aren't even on it.


KAP: No one cares about you. Other than like three people, Everyone hates the Pats.

Stop trying to defend them. In fact, don't post in this thread anymore.

Unless you are talking about another NFL team, then that is ok.

For now.

[Lex]

I care about the KAP, and the pats are my favorite AFC team, mostly because my dad was a Pats fan.

Doesn't matter though cause the Giants are winning it all this year.

[The Cheat]

I care about the KAP, and the pats are my favorite AFC team, mostly because my dad was a Pats fan.

Doesn't matter though cause the Giants are winning it all this year.

No one but losers care about KAP. ;)

How can Giants win? They lost a part of "Earth, Wind, and Fire" (i'm not sure which element Ward was) and they have no WR's.

[KickAssPlaya]

KAP: No one cares about you. Other than like three people, Everyone hates the Pats.

Stop trying to defend them. In fact, don't post in this thread anymore.

Unless you are talking about another NFL team, then that is ok.

For now.
Apparently you do care because you keep responding to me. Also apparently you can't read because quite a few people have said that they don't hate the Pats.
I care about the KAP, and the pats are my favorite AFC team, mostly because my dad was a Pats fan.

Doesn't matter though cause the Giants are winning it all this year.
Thanks lex...you must be one of the three people. ;)

Giants will not win it all. Will be the Eagles or Patriots. :p

[The Cheat]

This message is hidden because KickAssPlaya is on your ignore list.


One superfan down...the rest are sure to follow.

[Lex]

Ward was wind, and tbh I liked Bradshaw more than ward anyway. All jacobs has to do is stay healthy -.-

[The Cheat]

Ward was wind, and tbh I liked Bradshaw more than ward anyway. All jacobs has to do is stay healthy -.-

How was it decided on who was who?

Jacobs can't stay healthy. He will miss some games.

All power running backs do. They take too much punishment.

[Lex]

How was it decided on who was who?

Jacobs can't stay healthy. He will miss some games.

All power running backs do. They take too much punishment.

Jacobs was earth cause he's the most physical. Ward was wind because he was the quickest, and Bradshaw was fire because he was the most explosive.

[The Cheat]

Jacobs was earth cause he's the most physical. Ward was wind because he was the quickest, and Bradshaw was fire because he was the most explosive.

Makes sense to me.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Lex.

[Unforgottner]

I do every other day. Madden 2008 on the PS2 FTW!

But i was feeling old school this week so I busted out Madden 64.

It is so old...the Browns aren't even on it.


KAP: No one cares about you. Other than like three people, Everyone hates the Pats.

Stop trying to defend them. In fact, don't post in this thread anymore.

Unless you are talking about another NFL team, then that is ok.

For now.

Last year didn't you make some stupid bet so you'd never have to post here again?

[Coffin Fedder]

Can't we all just get along? It's a football thread. C'mon, we don't like certain teams obviously but lets just keep that to ourselves and if we disagree with something state your opinion instead of ripping each others heads of?

[The Cheat]

Last year didn't you make some stupid bet so you'd never have to post here again?


I don't think so? :confused:
Can't we all just get along? It's a football thread. C'mon, we don't like certain teams obviously but lets just keep that to ourselves and if we disagree with something state your opinion instead of ripping each others heads of?


But that is not as fun as hating!

I have something everyone needs to read

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4222326

Truely...he the greatest of us all. :rolleyes:

[Medemia]

Truely...he the greatest of us all. :rolleyes:

ElAttrache said: "Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're strung together different. By and large, they follow the same biologic rules as the rest of us. However, they're able to do things with their neuromuscular control and their strength gains and how they respond to exercise a little bit differently. Within safe limits of how we know how these things heal after an operation like this, I had to take that into consideration."
Read: "Let's face it, guys that are athletes like him, they're able to buy drugs to heal faster which are still undetectable to any test. By and large, they would follow the same biologic rules as teh rest of us; however, they'er able to do things with their wallets and their sources and how they respond to steroids and HGH a little bit differently. Within safe limits of how we know how these things heal after an operation like this, I had to take that, and the NFL drug policy, into consideration."

[Nitanius Nolund]

NN: I'm excited to see what Moreno brings.

Me too. I like him for our team. He's not the fastest guy at the position in the league, but he's explosive, and has great hands. He and Peyton Hillis (whom I expect to move back to fullback) will be great additions in the passing game. Rushing wise, I expect him to be a solid rusher, and I'll just throw out a number and say he'll manage 1,100 rushing yards.

I do every other day. Madden 2008 on the PS2 FTW!

That's what I play. Madden 08 on mah PS2.

Doesn't matter though cause the Giants are winning it all this year.

I doubt that. The Giants don't have the tools on offense to have the greatest year. I agree with Cheat as well that Jacobs won't start every game, and if he does, he'll be getting about 10-15 carries a game, with Bradshaw getting the same, or a little more. Eli isn't going to be able to put up a lot of numbers through the air. I mean, he has this problem where he tries to run to one sideline and throw to the other (and only Lex can comment on this part, as it is a bit of an inside joke).

Giants are going to be like the Steelers. Tough defense, no offense.

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm. MSN.com is my homepage, looking through the sports articles and apperently Rodney Harrison is suppose to retire tomorrow. Outstanding saftey, sure. He may have played dirty but that's besides the point. He's one hell of a saftey.

[nomar]

Brady Sucks.

Pats Suck.

End of story.

whaaaaaaaa!

[The Butcher]

Westbrook :(

[Lost.Boy]

Westbrook will come back hopefully...

How about Jason Taylor ? will he be a starter?

[Spirit_Monger]

I'm thinking Chad Ochocinco will have a pretty good year this year, as long as Palmer is healthy and our line gives Palmer enough time to throw the ball.
Chad has been working like crazy this off season apparently, and just reported to Bengals OTA today, so hopefully timing wont be an issue for Chad and Palmer.

Whether or not he would resign after this year I don't know, but at the very least I see him coming up big so that he can demand a big contract next year.

[nomar]

Got this post on my profile from the GREAT Douche....erm....Cheat.

The Cheat
Welcome to the ignore list jackass. :)

Why am I on his fantastic ignore list?

He negs me this

For NFL fans 05-30-2009 11:15 PM The Cheat no one likes brady. get over it.
I laugh and just throw a neg back. Why? It's FUN!!

Too funny. I'm SOOOO upset being on your ignore list.

[The Butcher]

Got this post on my profile from the GREAT Douche....erm....Cheat.

The Cheat
Welcome to the ignore list jackass. :)

Why am I on his fantastic ignore list?

He negs me this

For NFL fans 05-30-2009 11:15 PM The Cheat no one likes brady. get over it.
I laugh and just throw a neg back. Why? It's FUN!!

Too funny. I'm SOOOO upset being on your ignore list.

Why would you think anyone else would care about it?

I predict Favre will be in Minnesota for a personal visit within this week. Anyone else?

[Coffin Fedder]

Brady's a good QB, I don't care who you are. I don't personally care for the guy myself but go say that in Boston and I'm pretty sure you'll start a riot. Cheat, get over it. Brady has superbowls, pro-bowls, and a mvp ring. He's good, if he keeps this rate up most likely a hall of famer. One of the biggest underdogs ever, look what happened.

Favre has only a week to make his decision to sign with them or not from what Sportscenter said. I believe he will, he said he doesn't feel that his arm is ready to retire.

[Medemia]

Got this post on my profile from the GREAT Douche....erm....Cheat.

The Cheat
Welcome to the ignore list jackass. :)

Why am I on his fantastic ignore list?

He negs me this

For NFL fans 05-30-2009 11:15 PM The Cheat no one likes brady. get over it.
I laugh and just throw a neg back. Why? It's FUN!!

Too funny. I'm SOOOO upset being on your ignore list.

I've gotten that one too. Pretty funny... as he never truly ignores you.

[nomar]

I don't. I find it funny and wanted to post it!

Putting a deadline for Farve is retarded. He'll wait till August to make his choice....which we all know he'll come back. Get Minny all excited, then throw the season away at the end. Farve is a gas bag.

[nomar]

I've gotten that one too. Pretty funny... as he never truly ignores you.

I'm sure I'll get another neg when he can again....and some more posts on my members page.

I LOVE THE INTERWEB!!

[Medemia]

He's just waiting until he doesn't have to go through the hot and sweaty times and come back in late July/early August where he can come charging on his white horse as the savior of Minnesota. It's a pretty good scam to get out of training camp for an old guy.

[nomar]

He's just waiting until he doesn't have to go through the hot and sweaty times and come back in late July/early August where he can come charging on his white horse as the savior of Minnesota. It's a pretty good scam to get out of training camp for an old guy.

He's fine chillin' in his Wranglers.

Does anyone really wear this things?

[Nitanius Nolund]

Brady's a good QB, I don't care who you are. I don't personally care for the guy myself but go say that in Boston and I'm pretty sure you'll start a riot. Cheat, get over it. Brady has superbowls, pro-bowls, and a mvp ring. He's good, if he keeps this rate up most likely a hall of famer. One of the biggest underdogs ever, look what happened.

Favre has only a week to make his decision to sign with them or not from what Sportscenter said. I believe he will, he said he doesn't feel that his arm is ready to retire.

I was watching NFL Today, and Randy Moss (the white correspondent for NFL.com, not the receiver) believes that we could hear this week whether or not a deal will be made with Favre, but the more likely scenario is that Favre simply stays at home and works things out on his own. If Favre thinks that he can throw the ball, he'll end up a Viking, but that could be right before camps. Unlike with the Jets, Favre knows the playbook and the terminology of the Viking offense, so he'll digest things a lot faster than he did in New York.

[The Cheat]

Brady's a good QB, I don't care who you are. I don't personally care for the guy myself but go say that in Boston and I'm pretty sure you'll start a riot. Cheat, get over it. Brady has superbowls, pro-bowls, and a mvp ring. He's good, if he keeps this rate up most likely a hall of famer. One of the biggest underdogs ever, look what happened.

Favre has only a week to make his decision to sign with them or not from what Sportscenter said. I believe he will, he said he doesn't feel that his arm is ready to retire.

You think I would be stupid enough to go to Boston and say Brady sucks? Please. Do that in in city with a pro superstar in any sport and there will be trouble.

Sure he is a good player. But that doesn't mean that I will ever like him or the Pats.

Elway was a great QB. One of the best of all time and I hated him for years. Still do to a degree.

I never really liked him before he got all "god-like." I am just sick and tired of people like nomar and ESPN people sucking brady's dick all the time. He is good. We get that. Now move on already. They way people talk, they make him out to be the best football person to ever play the game. EVER. :dry::rolleyes::dry: :dry::rolleyes:

I'm still torn on Farve. I don't think he will return but I'm also sure he won't walk away until he beats Green Bay.

[nomar]

Why should i move on? He's a great QB for the team I cheer for. I should just not cheer or talk about him? He is one of the best NFL players of all time. I find it funny you can't accept that.

[The Cheat]

God I hate Superfans.

[Lex]

You're as much a superfan as anyone else cheat. Just your fandom is in anger against "superfans". Super-Anti-Superfan?

[The Cheat]

You're as much a superfan as anyone else cheat. Just your fandom is in anger against "superfans". Super-Anti-Superfan?

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/exploding-head.gif

[Coffin Fedder]

Channing Cowder and Rex Ryan need to grow up.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Elway was a great QB. One of the best of all time

QFT. Not even Brady can replace him as the greatest comeback quarterback in my eyes (not saying Brady hasn't had his share of comebacks, Elway is just my favorite QB of all time).

[_Thunder_]

Where does everyone stand on who they think should start in NY Jet land? (QB wise)

I am going to say Clemens. And here's why.

Don't get me wrong, I like Sanchez.. I like him alot, I just don't think he will have the Matt Ryan effect on this team right away. He has a long term contract, he doesn't have to prove everything in one year. And if Clemens cannot handle the job and help them get to the playoffs they still have Sanchez right there on the sidelines.

[Coffin Fedder]

I agree with you. If Clemens doesn't do well in his first few games then I say give Sanchez a chance. Clemens knows the system better and he's a QB who can do things. I just don't Sanchez making a big impact right away. Give him some time he will.

[_Thunder_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6QAdHUSrWM

Did anyone see this btw? This is damn impressive.

[Coffin Fedder]

Hmm, Falcons released Micheal Vick... All the ties. I don't think anybody will sign him unless they are really in QB trouble. Trent Green retired too.

[_Thunder_]

Hmm, Falcons released Micheal Vick... All the ties. I don't think anybody will sign him unless they are really in QB trouble.
Well, the Commissioner has not even announced if he would get punished after he starts playing again. After that has been announced I think I can make a better judgement about if he will ever play again or which team he will go to.

And Hines Ward got a rule made after him. What an honor. :p

[Spirit_Monger]

Clemens should start for the Jets. Do what the Bengals did with Palmer.
I think Kitna was better than Clemens, and Palmer better than Sanchez.
But by having him sit, you let him learn a lot more, work with the team more, etc. and he wont be rushed into it.
I think that Sanchez will be the one to start in week 1 though.

And Ward got the rule named after him because he is a tool that hits people from behind. ;)
All of the Steelers are tools actually.

Oh, and that's complete bullcrap that Brady will get the rule named after him because of what happened last season. That should DEFINITELY be named the Palmer rule after he was injured way back in '05. :dry:

[Nitanius Nolund]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6QAdHUSrWM

Did anyone see this btw? This is damn impressive.

And people say Nebraska ain't good for shit :p

I agree with Clemens starting for the Jets. It's similar to the Brady Quinn scenario in Cleveland as well (for a more recent scenario as compared to the Bengals one). Sanchez is definitely not Favre, who seemed to absorb the offense in a short period of time, and he is likely going to be their Franchise QB. You have preseason to see if he's ready, but Clemens should start the season.

[The Cheat]

Well, the Commissioner has not even announced if he would get punished after he starts playing again. After that has been announced I think I can make a better judgement about if he will ever play again or which team he will go to.

And Hines Ward got a rule made after him. What an honor. :p

I still don't think he will play this year but who knows.

I see either oakland or Seattle taking Vick.

.

And Ward got the rule named after him because he is a tool that hits people from behind. ;)
All of the Steelers are tools actually.

Oh, and that's complete bullcrap that Brady will get the rule named after him because of what happened last season. That should DEFINITELY be named the Palmer rule after he was injured way back in '05. :dry:

Yes. The Steelers are tools.

Brady has at least two rules named for him. The first was the "tuck rule" from the infamous snow game with Oakland.


I don't think ANY rookie QB should start. Period. I know MAtt Ryan and Flaco and exceptions but how often does that happen?

A roookie should play some preseason and towards the end of the year (if they are already out of the playoff hunt).

Then in year two, they can start.

[bdog1321]

I still don't think he will play this year but who knows.

I see either oakland or Seattle taking Vick.


Oakland has JaMarcus Russel. And Jeff Garcia. They brought Jeff Garcia in to mentor JaMarcus Russel. They might want to play Russel.

[The Cheat]

Oakland has JaMarcus Russel. And Jeff Garcia. They brought Jeff Garcia in to mentor JaMarcus Russel. They might want to play Russel.

It is Al davis. You never know what he will do next. That is why I could see Vick going there. Al likes "Fast" players.

If it was up to me, I'd start Garcia over Russel. No question. You know Garcia is only going to play one year, so use him while you got him.

It might help Russel to be behind Garcia for a year in order to learn.

[KickAssPlaya]

Got this post on my profile from the GREAT Douche....erm....Cheat.


Too funny. I'm SOOOO upset being on your ignore list.
Join the club :)
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/exploding-head.gif
Remember that next time you're trying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6QAdHUSrWM

Did anyone see this btw? This is damn impressive.
That's crazy. He did it in slides too.
Clemens should start for the Jets. Do what the Bengals did with Palmer.
I think Kitna was better than Clemens, and Palmer better than Sanchez.
But by having him sit, you let him learn a lot more, work with the team more, etc. and he wont be rushed into it.
I think that Sanchez will be the one to start in week 1 though.

And Ward got the rule named after him because he is a tool that hits people from behind. ;)
All of the Steelers are tools actually.

Oh, and that's complete bullcrap that Brady will get the rule named after him because of what happened last season. That should DEFINITELY be named the Palmer rule after he was injured way back in '05. :dry:
Noone cares about then bengals though. :p I agree with the steeler's bing tools though.

Brady has at least two rules named for him. The first was the "tuck rule" from the infamous snow game with Oakland.


That isn't the Brady rule...it's called the "tuck rule" before Brady..so yeah. He was definately a user/recipient of it though. :p

[bdog1321]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d810be7de&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Agree? Disagree?

Agree.


http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d80873de6&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

LOL at #1. Raiders vs World. So true.

[_Thunder_]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d810be7de&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Agree? Disagree?

Of course i disagree... Brett Favre not even up there?

[bdog1321]

Dude I just saw Terminator Salvation again. (2nd time) and I realized something. JOHN CONNOR LOOKS LIKE BRETT FAVRE. INSANE RITE?

[The Cheat]

Dude I just saw Terminator Salvation again. (2nd time) and I realized something. JOHN CONNOR LOOKS LIKE BRETT FAVRE. INSANE RITE?

No.

Mr. Bale looks nothing like Mr. Farve.

[Coffin Fedder]

Kyle Orton's the official QB of the Denver Broncos? I'm going to admit, even I wasn't expecting that one.

[The Cheat]

Kyle Orton's the official QB of the Denver Broncos? I'm going to admit, even I wasn't expecting that one.

Why? They traded Culter for Orton. The new Denver coach felt that Orton was better than Culter. Orton is "his guy."

[Nitanius Nolund]

Kyle Orton's the official QB of the Denver Broncos? I'm going to admit, even I wasn't expecting that one.

Why are you surprised? Orton has had experience with the system from his college days, and he is similar to Matt Cassel in the fact that he is a system quarterback. Not to mention he has the best starting record at home of any QB drafted since 2005 (date could be wrong). I think Orton is a highly underrated QB, whom I believe will have a very successful year. With that awesome pass blocking offensive line that Jay Cutler had in front of him, he'll do very well. Pro Bowl? Probably not. Solid start? Very much so.

Favre just needs to hurry up and sign with the Vikings.

[Coffin Fedder]

It's just kind of surprising that they started him. I've always liked Orton, I hated Grossman. I was expecting somebody to go in and fight for the position with him.

[Hugh Junit]

I agree with Irok. Orton is going to a team with weapons. He'll have some incredible recievers to throw to in Denver.
Cutler is going to a team with comparatively lousy recievers. Hester was the leading reciever for the Bears last season. I don't care how good Cutler's arm is, he needs more targets than Forte out of the backfield.
I think Orton's numbers will be better than Cutler's next year.

[_Thunder_]

I agree with Irok. Orton is going to a team with weapons. He'll have some incredible recievers to throw to in Denver.
Cutler is going to a team with comparatively lousy recievers. Hester was the leading reciever for the Bears last season. I don't care how good Cutler's arm is, he needs more targets than Forton out of the backfield.
I think Orton's numbers will be better than Cutler's next year.

I second this. Unless the bears can pull a receiver out of their ass I do not see Cutlers numbers being higher than Ortons.

[Coffin Fedder]

Yeah. Hester is a outstanding punt and kick returner. I just don't see him playing reciever. He relays on his speed, he can't really run routes great and he isn't willing to go up for the ball. Forte is a good RB but he can't do it by himself.

[Rogue_Wolf]

Orton was doing great in Chicago this season until he got injured. But, you have to wonder who had more importance in the Denver passing game: Cutler or the weapons around him? I doubt Marshall, Royal, and Scheffler's numbers will be as good with Orton as they were with Cutler, and how well will that OL block without Cutler's quick release and getting rid of the ball quickly?

I'm not a huge Cutler fan because I think he's over-rated. But, I wonder what impact he'll have on TE Greg Olsen. The potential for a special tandem is there. Earl Bennett is also on the Bears, and they had great chemistry together. And Hester at WR is not to be under-estimated, as he really came along at WR towards the end of last season.

My money is on Cutler outproducing Orton, but that may not translate into team success.

-Rogue_Wolf

[Nitanius Nolund]

Orton may not have Cutler's quick release, but Denver has a new system now. Those big guys up front will hold more than long enough for Orton to get the ball out, and with Moreno in the backfield, he always has his quick swing.

I expect to see some awesome numbers from Royal, Stokley, Scheffler, and Gaffney this season. Odds are Gaffney and Stokley will run the slots, and will be used like Wes Welker was. I also expect a lot of quick shots to Royal underneath, let him use his speed to make the yards. Scheffler...well, he's a good receiving tight end, and seeing as Orton is from Chicago, those were his best receivers.

If Orton can show he's a viable starter with what he had in Chicago, he's more than capable of being a starter in Denver, with one of the best offenses in football.

As for Cutler...I don't think he'll do well this year. As has been said, the Bears don't have the weapons that Denver did, and he's going to have an offensive line no where near as great for pass blocking as well. Cutler is the down field QB, and more often than not, Chicago dumps it to Forte or passes to a tight end, not 20+ yards down the field.

He'll probably have average numbers this year though, but he won't be a Pro Bowl quarterback again. Then again, I don't think he was a Pro Bowl quarterback this year. Anyone can though for 4,000+ yards when they pass the ball 90% of the time.

[Coffin Fedder]

He does have great recievers too work with. Brandon Marshall is just a presence on the field as it is. Robert Royal has the speed which surprised people and he can cut just as good as anybody. Jabar Gaffney is tall, he may be a little slower. Good luck going up for the ball with him though, he's aggressive and I like it. Then Stokely, I still think he's the most underrated reciever ever.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Stokley is the Wes Welker of Denver. He's a monster in the slot, and with Orton at the helm, he'll have a big year. Marshall's numbers are going to drop with his hip surgery and the fact that Cutler is gone, but he'll still have a great year.

I'd like to see Orton do what Brady does. I hate Brady with a passion, but he gets the ball to every one of his receivers rather often. Not a single Patriots receiver can honestly say they are unhappy with how often they get the ball.