O_o

[HatchetKlown17]

Is is just me or is this kid completely ridiculous?

http://media.putfile.com/drum-kid97

[Jeffery]

Where did you get Tamas video at?

[Draquist]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.

[lostandconfused]

I hope you're kidding, Draq. That's one of the more ignorant things I've heard today.

[Draquist]

Compared to guitar, drums are nothing...its easy to find a good drummer but rare to find a good guitarist.

[lthlinjction]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.
Show us.

[Pieface1337]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.

Don't be a dumbass.

[Draquist]

Haha the talent playing guitar takes surpasses the talent required for playing drums by a ridiculous amount. Drums you smack something with a stick...thats not very difficult.

[lthlinjction]

Compared to guitar, drums are nothing...its easy to find a good drummer but rare to find a good guitarist.
You've got to be shitting me. You know how many more people play guitar than drums? I know tons of good guitarists, yet only one drummer that is actually good.

[lthlinjction]

Haha the talent playing guitar takes surpasses the talent required for playing drums by a ridiculous amount. Drums you smack something with a stick...thats not very difficult.
And guitar you just pluck a string. Dumbass.

[Draquist]

Tons more people play guitar because it is easier to get around and is cheaper...honestly now, how can you say playing drums takes more talent than playing guitar. I bet you know alot of people that seem amazing because they can play fast or some crap...but I guarantee it that you dont know anyone who can play a difficult rift smoothe and clean.

[Tama Drummer]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.

In my opinion, you're very stupid. :)


I've seen that video before. If I remember correctly, his dad's some huge drumming guro (hence the great recording equiptment) and the kid's been drumming since he was like 2.

He's good for his age though (I think I saw he was 13 in that video). Lucky bastard though, I won't recording equiptment. All I have is a digital camera with horrible sound quality. :mad:

[Draquist]

And guitar you just pluck a string. Dumbass.

Lol right...the chord patterns and switches, solos, if you as much as lift your finger or to the side 1/10th of an inch, it will f up the chord and you will look like a tard.

[lthlinjction]

Tons more people play guitar because it is easier to get around and is cheaper...honestly now, how can you say playing drums takes more talent than playing guitar. I bet you know alot of people that seem amazing because they can play fast or some crap...but I guarantee it that you dont know anyone who can play a difficult rift smoothe and clean.
Who ever said that drums were more difficult? Not me. And I know what being a good guitarist means. And I do know people that are quite amazing at it. I myself have been playing for 3 1/2 years, and I suck compared to them.

[BaxVarlet]

There is a greater spectrum of guitar skill compared to drum skill. You can suck at both, you can be great at both, but the steps you take to go from suck to skill in drum are fewer then the steps in guitar.

I'd say it is harder to be great at guitar, then at drums.

[lthlinjction]

There is a greater spectrum of guitar skill compared to drum skill. You can suck at both, you can be great at both, but the steps you take to go from suck to skill in drum are fewer then the steps in guitar.

I'd say it is harder to be great at guitar, then at drums.
Yes, it may take more skill, but Draq says that drumming takes no skill.

[Draquist]

I have played guitar for about 4 years now and I know people are are far better than I. My stepbrother just so happened to play drums and hes been playing for about 2 years. What he learned in those 2 years he showed me and I learned it all in about a month. If you can move your hands fast and have hand eye coordination down, you can play drums.

[Draquist]

Yes, it may take more skill, but Draq says that drumming takes no skill.

I may have come off that way in my first post but I clarified in my second post that it takes no skill compared to guitar.

[Tama Drummer]

Drums you smack something with a stick...thats not very difficult.

You obviously have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, so just shut up. If you want to compare drumming to "hitting something with a stick" then lthlinjction's comparison with the guitar is very fair.

Four way polyrhythmic limb indepenence isn't just something anyone can do when you sit behind a kit. :cool:

[Pieface1337]

Stop touching yourself in bed Draquist.

[Zander]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.
Talent = skill
www.dictionary.com 's direct definition for the word "expert"

A person with a high degree of skill in or knowledge of a certain subject.

The highest grade that can be achieved in marksmanship.
A person who has achieved this grade.

Now then...how can you believe someone can become an expert at something that takes no talent, if to be an expert you must have that talent?;)


I have played guitar for about 4 years now and I know people are are far better than I. My stepbrother just so happened to play drums and hes been playing for about 2 years. What he learned in those 2 years he showed me and I learned it all in about a month. If you can move your hands fast and have hand eye coordination down, you can play drums.

Who's to say that being able to "move your hands fast and have hand eye coordination" at a particularly advanced level is something just anybody can do? Think more that either your brother knew very little, or else you're very talented

[Tama Drummer]

If you can move your hands fast and have hand eye coordination down, you can play drums.

Fine, yes anyone can be a crappy drummer. Woopy.
There's MUCH more to drumming than what you probably think. Stop trying to act as if you're instrument is supperior because your ignorance tells you it's harder.

[lthlinjction]

I have played guitar for about 4 years now and I know people are are far better than I. My stepbrother just so happened to play drums and hes been playing for about 2 years. What he learned in those 2 years he showed me and I learned it all in about a month. If you can move your hands fast and have hand eye coordination down, you can play drums.
It takes coordination to play guitar as well. Yes, it may take more, but that doesn't mean drumming is so much easier.

[BaxVarlet]

That kid didn't do any tricks with his drumsticks, I was disappointed.

[Draquist]

What else is drumming but using a stick to hit different surfaces in a repeated pattern? Guitar takes years to learn the different chord patterns and then once you get that down, you can go on to soloing and learning to play with speed and still sound clean. Drumming has like two things to get down and then you got it.

[lostandconfused]

Draq, I wasn't kidding earlier. Ignorance. You're showing it.

And anyone can be a crappy drummer. Whoohoo. Anyone can play Smoke on the Water, too.

[lthlinjction]

What else is drumming but using a stick to hit different surfaces in a repeated pattern? Guitar takes years to learn the different chord patterns and then once you get that down, you can go on to soloing and learning to play with speed and still sound clean. Drumming has like two things to get down and then you got it.
Are you kidding me? Obviously you arn't musically talented if you say that. I can only imagine how you play guitar now...

[Draquist]

You just repeated what tama said...good job. And what else is there to drumming then, please explain...

[lostandconfused]

I'm not even going to bother. Just go play one day with your highschool drumline, and you wouldn't think the way you do anymore.

Also. http://vicfirth.com/artists/video/mayer/mayer_MDfest05_2.html
Learn to do that, and then I'll agree with you.

[RAGING INFERNO]

guitar is very very challenging atr times dude. for me it takes like an hour to learn a new chord and weeks to learn how to go to it quickly. drumming and guitar are tallent. drumming isn't easy either. It was once my favorite instrument and I practiced.. it sounded like a dying frog. I'm not sure if it should be like that but it's no pick it up today thing

[Anarchy_United]

Everyone knows playing the potato is the hardest to learn. I mean, who else can do it besides me?
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8885/potatozn1.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Draquist]

My highschool drumline where its even easier to play considering you only have the snair?

^^ I concur =D

[lthlinjction]

My highschool drumline where its even easier to play considering you only have the snair?
Yep... you definately know how hard drumming is since you can't even spell snare.

[Draquist]

I could care less about spelling drum terms considering this is probably the last time in my life I will ever spell it.

[lostandconfused]

-.- Do I need to show you another clip? If you could make it through even one camp day, you're opinion would change. But you won't, ever, so you always know little to nothing about the activity.

[Tama Drummer]

And what else is there to drumming then, please explain...

Just as much as there is to guitars.

You have chord patterns? We have rudiments.
You have soloing? Well, so do drums.
Playing with speed and still sounding clean? Duh. Drums too!

But wait! There's more! Don't forget my favorite--polyrhythms! Playing one pattern with one limb while playing a different pattern (usually in a different time signature) on a different limb. Also the polyrhymic grooves, which I love. A very simple one I do sometimes is 16th note triplets on the bass, dotted 8th notes on the snare and playing 16th notes on the cymbal, but in groups of three (1 2 3 rest 1 2 3 res etc.)
That's actually pretty simple in the terms of polyrhythm drumming, but you can't just sit down and play it.

Another one I've been working on more now that I have a hi-hat pedal for both feet is this.

With your right foot, play straight 8th notes alternating between a hi-hat pedal and bass drum pedal.

b-h-b-h-b-h-b-h-

Now your left foot will be playing the "e" and "a" of the beat, alternating with your right foot. The pattern will be bass once and hi-hat twice.

-b-h-h-b-h-h-b-h-h


And that's just the feet. I doubt anybody can just sit down and play those patterns. Still, playing the bass alone is the easy part. Then try adding in the hands.



That's called four way limb independence. As I said before, you can't just sit down behind a kit and BAM have four way limb independence.

And that's JUST involving patterns you can play with drums. Patterns, which you thought were so easy... should I continue?

[RAGING INFERNO]

Hey draquist. heres what'll prove you right. take some drumming lessons and tomarrow show us an uploaded video of you beating the hell out of those drums like a pro

[lthlinjction]

Tama, do you use a double redal for bass?

[mushroom_girl]

I can do basic drumming. I can play most of "Brovado" by Rush, which I'm very proud of. I can also play "The Light and the Glass" by Coheed and Cambria on my acoustic guitar, along with a Spanish song and a few other basic chords and songs that everyone knows.

I can say that they are both extremely difficult, depending on what you're playing. If you're playing a drum solo, as an example, good luck with that if you're new. Chances are, you'll sound like crap and go off rhythm. However, some bands do make drumming sound like it's just beating a stick against a bucket. It's not that easy. First try patting your head and rubbing your stomach at the same time. If you can't do that, you won't make a good drummer.

Guitar is hard, as long as you're not playing power chords. People claim that bands such as Green Day are the greatest, yet most of their music is repetative power chords. Almost anyone can learn one of their songs. But when you get into something more difficult, then you need to practice alot more or it'll sound really bad.

It takes practice to be good at an instrument, but even more natural talent to be amazing at one.

Basically, they're both hard instruments. Stop arguing about which one is harder, because I have an equal hard time with each, depending on the song. Drumming does come more naturally to me, though. Maybe because I like it more. :)

Back to the topic of this thread...That kid is a beast! I'm totally impressed. He's lucky to have such a great drummer for a father.

[Tama Drummer]

Tama, do you use a double redal for bass?

I don't have a redal, but I do have a double pedal. ;)

Eventually I'll have 5-7 pedals for my feet though. Maybe more.
I already have a double pedal for one bass drum, a single pedal for the other, and one hi-hat. I'm getting some remote hats soon for my right foot, and then some random cowbell/tamborine crap later.
Though my current pedal set up is a bit smaller.
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/7131/1001262sz0.jpg

Drumming with your feet is fun. :)

Edit: I was going to upload a video of my doing some of those patterns, but I think my dad deleted SmartFTP? He's been going on this frenzy thinking everything is a virus, so I wouldn't put it past him... maybe later once I re-download it. -.-

[BaxVarlet]

I can play guitar with my toes and drums with my ass, at the same time.

[Draquist]

...You shove the sticks in your bum? :eek:

[lthlinjction]

I don't have a redal, but I do have a double pedal. ;)

Eventually I'll have 5-7 pedals for my feet though. Maybe more.
I already have a double pedal for one bass drum, a single pedal for the other, and one hi-hat. I'm getting some remote hats soon for my right foot, and then some random cowbell/tamborine crap later.

Drumming with your feet is fun. :)
Yea, I made a typo. :p

I figured you had the double, 16th notes with a single pedal is just damn fast!

[Kreator]

I think that kid was pretty good, but what do I know.

ANyways, Draq, I used to think that drums were the easiest instrument to learn and that anyone can play them becuase I thought all you had to do was hit something with a stick. I then sat down in front of a drum set, and since then, I think drums are probably one of the most complex instruments to use.

[Tama Drummer]

Yea, I made a typo. :p

I figured you had the double, 16th notes with a single pedal is just damn fast!

Depends what tempo you're talking... ;)

[Tama Drummer]

...You shove the sticks in your bum? :eek:

So I typed out that long post and you're not even going to acknowledge it?

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Draquist]

Ok, heres my acknowledgement...:confused:

[EricH]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.
You're right. I have friends that do both guitar and drums, drums is hella easy if compared.

Don't be a dumbass.
Take your own advice, it does require not posting though.

Haha the talent playing guitar takes surpasses the talent required for playing drums by a ridiculous amount. Drums you smack something with a stick...thats not very difficult.
Exactly. Learning the two might be just as hard/easy to anybody, but a guitar is hard to work with compared to drums, you have to work your fingers out, you have to actually be in a certain condition to play guitar.

And guitar you just pluck a string. Dumbass.
Okay, no.

Yep... you definately know how hard drumming is since you can't even spell snare.
Spelling has little to do with anything musical.

[Tama Drummer]

Exactly. Learning the two might be just as hard/easy to anybody, but a guitar is hard to work with compared to drums, you have to work your fingers out, you have to actually be in a certain condition to play guitar.

Uh... drumming is all about the fingers. Almost every (exception being a buzz roll or other times when you're trying to use rebound, though you're still using your fingers) stroke is the fingers closing and opening.

http://media.putfile.com/Single-Bass-Blasting
It's a very crappy video, but just watch my hand movement. The strokes are all getting made from my fingers moving up and down (yes, a little wrist movement at times though).


What do you mean by a certain condition to play guitar... physical condition? Drums are WAY more physically involved that guitar.

[BaxVarlet]

physical condition? Drums are WAY more physically involved that guitar.

Is that why drummers are always sitting? lazy bastards...

[Tama Drummer]

Is that why drummers are always sitting? lazy bastards...

At band practices, I'm the only one who ever breaks up a sweat. What are guitars doing? Moving their fingers alot and their arms slightly.

What am I doing? Well, I'm running (joke we always make when I'm playing double bass) and wailing my arms around. We're sitting, but we're moving. Alot.

[EricH]

Uh... drumming is all about the fingers. Almost every (exception being a buzz roll or other times when you're trying to use rebound, though you're still using your fingers) stroke is the fingers closing and opening.
You don't use your fingers as much as with guitar or to any degree of movement close to as with guitar.

What do you mean by a certain condition to play guitar... physical condition? Drums are WAY more physically involved that guitar.
Drums are WAY less physically involving. I've done both.



The only thing hard about drumming is that unless you known music or someone is teaching you specifics, you can't read the music. Guitars have tabs, which although flawed still are pretty good.

[Tama Drummer]

Drums are WAY less physically involving. I've done both.

And by drumming you've done what... boom chick boom chick boom chick crash?
Like I said in my above post, my guitarists/bassist never get tired at band practices. I do. Drumming IS a workout, unless of course you're playing a real layed back groove.


Hell, my guitarist even likes to just play around on my drums to loosen him up a bit. If guitar is physically involved, why couldn't he loosen up playing that?



Oh, and there are drum tabs. I never bothered with them though. I learned sheet music in elemtary school, but I don't like playing other people's drum parts anyway. If I need to play another song, I just listen to it a lot. If I can't get it, I right it out myself.

[EricH]

And by drumming you've done what... boom chick boom chick boom chick crash?
Like I said in my above post, my guitarists/bassist never get tired at band practices. I do. Drumming IS a workout, unless of course you're playing a real layed back groove.
Your guitarists/bassist arn't doing it right then. Drumming is only a workout if you're out of shape. Hell I've got a friend who is out of shape, and he doesn't break a sweat. I'm not claiming guitar is a workout either, I'm just claiming it is harder and involves way more cordination and control.


Hell, my guitarist even likes to just play around on my drums to loosen him up a bit. If guitar is physically involved, why couldn't he loosen up playing that?
... Why do people stretch before running? Stretching isn't physically involving. I rest my case.

Oh, and there are drum tabs. I never bothered with them though. I learned sheet music in elemtary school, but I don't like playing other people's drum parts anyway. If I need to play another song, I just listen to it a lot. If I can't get it, I right it out myself.

Not like there are with guitar.

[Draquist]

I guarantee you if we took two people with no experience at all in drums or guitar and tried to teach one guitar and one guitar, the drummer would be way better at drumming than the guitarist at playing guitar after a 2 month period.

[lthlinjction]

Drums are WAY less physically involving. I've done both.
Why? Because stupid people like to try and dance when playing?

Lets compare.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5713095631496117983&q=crazy+guitar+solo

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1005408122266417938&q=crazy+drum+solo

In terms of movement, which is more?

[Toledo 13]

Are you serious...? Having a steaming argument over what instruments take more skill to play...

go get laid... lol :cool:

[EricH]

Why? Because stupid people like to try and dance when playing?
Blah Blah Blah
No, that isn't why. I've watched drummers do that too. It has nothing to do with that.

[Coffin Fedder]

Everyone thinks drumming is so easy. It actually takes a lot a practice incase you wanted to know.

[lthlinjction]

No, that isn't why. I've watched drummers do that too. It has nothing to do with that.
Don't be a prick. Answer the question.

[Tama Drummer]

Your guitarists/bassist arn't doing it right then. Drumming is only a workout if you're out of shape. Hell I've got a friend who is out of shape, and he doesn't break a sweat. I'm not claiming guitar is a workout either, I'm just claiming it is harder and involves way more cordination and control.

Ah, I think I figured out why you think drumming isn't as phyiscally involved.
When you played a kit, did you use double bass? Did you use it for extended periods, repeatedly as fast as you could while still remaining loud and clean?


I play with a metal band, so there's a lot of bass--fast, often times. That's the part that actually tired me out. Playing through a whole song blazing on the bass as fast as I can. If I'm playing almost any other genre that doesn't involve much bass, I won't get as tired. My hand/arm movement (even though just as fast) doesn't tired me out much.

[EricH]

Don't be a prick. Answer the question.
I didn't see a valid question. I saw someone trying to judge something based on nothing.

Which one is harder:

http://clubs.uqsport.uq.edu.au/uqpwc/DIANALOY.jpg

http://www.abc-of-fitness.com/images/pics/cardio-exercise-running.jpg


I'm gonna go with running, cause the weightlifter is just sitting there, ya know.

[lthlinjction]

Think drumming isn't physically involved?

Take a look at this drummer.

http://musicjesus.com/song_28956_Darkest_Hour-Convalescence.html

[EricH]

Ah, I think I figured out why you think drumming isn't as phyiscally involved.
When you played a kit, did you use double bass? Did you use it for extended periods, repeatedly as fast as you could while still remaining loud and clean?
A did a ton of things I couldn't list anymore. Some of what you said in this thread I know I've done, some I don't recall ever hearing. I don't care to speculate, nor does it matter. I'm friends with many people who do both or drum that hold my same opinion.


I play with a metal band, so there's a lot of bass--fast, often times. That's the part that actually tired me out. Playing through a whole song blazing on the bass as fast as I can. If I'm playing almost any other genre that doesn't involve much bass, I won't get as tired. My hand/arm movement (even though just as fast) doesn't tired me out much.
So you arn't in shape enough then?

[Tama Drummer]

I guarantee you if we took two people with no experience at all in drums or guitar and tried to teach one guitar and one guitar, the drummer would be way better at drumming than the guitarist at playing guitar after a 2 month period.

Some things may just be easier to start. I'm not saying what you've said it definately true though, since I don't know anyone who has been playing drums/guitar for 2 months.

I ski a lot, and I've always hear this: It's easier to start skiing but it's harder to get good at it. It's harder to start snowboarding but it's easier to get good at it.

[lthlinjction]

I didn't see a valid question. I saw someone trying to judge something based on nothing.

Which one is harder:

http://clubs.uqsport.uq.edu.au/uqpwc/DIANALOY.jpg

http://www.abc-of-fitness.com/images/pics/cardio-exercise-running.jpg


I'm gonna go with running, cause the weightlifter is just sitting there, ya know.
Ok then, show me that guitar is more involved than drumming physically. Don't be a bitch, prove that you are right,

[Tama Drummer]

A did a ton of things I couldn't list anymore. Some of what you said in this thread I know I've done, some I don't recall ever hearing. I don't care to speculate, nor does it matter. I'm friends with many people who do both or drum that hold my same opinion.

I don't care. My point was whether or not you've play double bass fast, clean, loud, and for a long period of time. That's what tires me.

So you arn't in shape enough then?

If I'm not, I suppose every other metal drummer who I've seen become way more tired that the rest of the players is out of shape too.

[RAGING INFERNO]

erich check your pm box

[EricH]

Ok then, show me that guitar is more involved than drumming physically. Don't be a bitch, prove that you are right,
As the pictures I know should've pointed out to you. It can't be shown.

Anybody that has done both will tell you, it is a fact that you need alot more skill, coordination, flexability, and overall endurance. I don't feel like arguing about this anymore. You're uneducated if you feel otherwise, it is simple.

P.S. You realize your rep goes to my sig automatically, and that swearing is against the rules.

[lthlinjction]

As the pictures I know should've pointed out to you. It can't be shown.

Anybody that has done both will tell you, it is a fact that you need alot more skill, coordination, flexability, and overall endurance. I don't feel like arguing about this anymore. You're uneducated if you feel otherwise, it is simple.
Ok, so, you decide to be a retard, and say something that you yourself can not prove. Way to be a dumbass.

P.S. - I already knew that.

[Tama Drummer]

Eric, just explain what makes guitar playing so much more complicating.
I've done so for the drums, and all you do is tell me that you and "everyone" who has done both agrees that guitar is harder.

[EricH]

Eric, just explain what makes guitar playing so much more complicating.
I've done so for the drums, and all you do is tell me that you and "everyone" who has done both agrees that guitar is harder.
Last time I'll say this. One hand, 4 fingers, need to be able to stretch as much as 2 to 3 inchs apart at times. You need WAY more coordination and muscle control. Guitar is a learned art while drums is a natural art. Not anybody can play guitar. Almost anybody that wants to can learn to play drums.

Ok, so, you decide to be a retard, and say something that you yourself can not prove. Way to be a dumbass.

P.S. - I already knew that.
Nor can you prove the opposite. I've done both. I have no need to prove anything. I know for a fact. You're a moron.

[lthlinjction]

Last time I'll say this. One hand, 4 fingers, need to be able to stretch as much as 2 to 3 inchs apart at times. You need WAY more coordination and muscle control. Guitar is a learned art while drums is a natural art. Not anybody can play guitar. Almost anybody that wants to can learn to play drums.
You seem to forget, that almost ANYONE that wants to can learn to play guitar. That's why so many more people do it.

And you still havn't answered my question...

[EricH]

You seem to forget, that almost ANYONE that wants to can learn to play guitar. That's why so many more people do it.

And you still havn't answered my question...
Wrong, and yes I have.

[lthlinjction]

Wrong, and yes I have.
Again, prove it! Stop preaching this BS and prove you are right.

[Tama Drummer]

Last time I'll say this. One hand, 4 fingers, need to be able to stretch as much as 2 to 3 inchs apart at times. You need WAY more coordination and muscle control. Guitar is a learned art while drums is a natural art. Not anybody can play guitar. Almost anybody that wants to can learn to play drums.

Maybe ou or your friends aren't a good source?

Yes, anybody can play a basic drum groove that doesn't involve much cordination or muscle memory in the fingers. Of course, anybody can play a simple song on guitar too. I could play smoke on water before I even knew how to even hold a guitar properly.

MUCH cordination is needed with drums if you go beyond the basics. Look at my past posts. I showed two simple versions of polyrhymic grooves. You need much cordination to play them. Anybody can play 16th notes over 16th note triplets? :confused:
You NEED cordination to do that as well as independence throughout your limbs.

And yet, those are very simple examples. Later (tommarow) when I can use my speakers I can post some better examples.

[EricH]

Again, prove it! Stop preaching this BS and prove you are right.
Short term memory?

As the pictures I know should've pointed out to you. It can't be shown.

Ok, so, you decide to be a retard, and say something that you yourself can not prove. I am a dumbass.

Nor can you prove the opposite. I've done both. I have no need to prove anything. I know for a fact.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Haha the talent playing guitar takes surpasses the talent required for playing drums by a ridiculous amount. Drums you smack something with a stick...thats not very difficult.

Guitars, you pick a string.

The statements hold equal weight.

By the way, piano > both of them.

[EricH]

Yes, anybody can play a basic drum groove that doesn't involve much cordination or muscle memory in the fingers. Of course, anybody can play a simple song on guitar too. I could play smoke on water before I even knew how to even hold a guitar properly.
No! That is the point! Most people can't pick a guitar up and play even a note!

MUCH cordination is needed with drums if you go beyond the basics. You NEED cordination to do that as well as independence throughout your limbs.
I've played both, it does not compare to guitar.

It isn't even like I have a preference at this point, I rarely play either. I'm just laying down a fact of mine.

[lthlinjction]

Then why say it if you can't prove it?

By the way, there is no point in manipulating my posts. Makes you look like more of an idiot. :)

[Tama Drummer]

By the way, piano > both of them.

Piano does pwn... when I tried it was only 8 and didn't realize the coolness of it, and so stopped. Now, all I remember is where "a" is. :(

[EricH]

Then why say it if you can't prove it?

By the way, there is no point in manipulating my posts. Makes you look like more of an idiot. :)
I didn't manipulate anything. That is exactly how it went. Why post if I can't prove it? Why would I need to prove it? You can't prove the opposite. Nobody can prove much here.

[lthlinjction]

No! That is the point! Most people can't pick a guitar up and play even a note!


I've played both, it does not compare to guitar.

It isn't even like I have a preference at this point, I rarely play either. I'm just laying down a fact of mine.
Oh my god. You havn't even gotten into the depths of either and you are arguing this much about it? If you had a real idea of the skill it takes to play, then you have a reason to argue. Right now, you've got nothing.

[Merdoc.]

In my opinion, drums take no talent...anyone can learn to be an expert on them very quickly.
Lawls says the computer nerd whos only intrument is I Tunes. :cool:

I acually think almost any instrument takes skill. I played Trombone. It was hard to hit the notes. Every thing takes practice.

[Tama Drummer]

I've played both, it does not compare to guitar.

When you say you've played drums, what have you played. You never answered that.

I could say I've played guitar, and the most I've done was strum a few strings.
My point is, I don't see you to be a very good judge of skill needed for drums. Maybe I'm wrong, but you haven't showed me much drumming knowledge.

[EricH]

Oh my god. You havn't even gotten into the depths of either and you are arguing this much about it? If you had a real idea of the skill it takes to play, then you have a reason to argue. Right now, you've got nothing.
I've gotten into the depths of both. You're assuming things now. I dislike both now because I had nowhere to go. I like challenge, when challenge leaves I leave.

As I said, you have nothing to prove and I have nothing to prove. So stop trying to prove something. I layed down what is a fact to me. Don't like it, I don't care. It doesn't change that it is a fact.

[Draquist]

More people choose to play guitar due to the fact that its cheaper, its easier to move around and its alot more fun to play out songs on a guitar and be able to play it to friends and sing along rather than play a song on drums and people just look at you and go...what is that?

Im not saying one is more exhausting than the other because both are tiring on different parts. I can see why your calfs would be beat after playing a song like the one you showed but guitar puts strain on your wrists and fingers also.

Guitar is difficult in the way that you have to be way more precise than when playing drums...if you are off by even a tiny bit, you are going to hit a fret and get either a clunk or a lound ringing sound which will definately be noticed when playing. If you pull off wrong, you get an extra note which will be noticed and make you look like crap. You also would have no idea how hard it is when soloing to make sure when your flying through all the notes you have to pick the string at exactly the same time as you pass over that fret for the 1/4 of a second that you have your finger there.

[EricH]

When you say you've played drums, what have you played. You never answered that.

I could say I've played guitar, and the most I've done was strum a few strings.
My point is, I don't see you to be a very good judge of skill needed for drums.
To the point where little was a challenge. I never started anything with it. I never had the patience to actually time it with other people and figue all that stuff out.

[EricH]

Guitar is difficult in the way that you have to be way more precise than when playing drums...if you are off by even a tiny bit, you are going to hit a fret and get either a clunk or a lound ringing sound which will definately be noticed when playing. If you pull off wrong, you get an extra note which will be noticed and make you look like crap. You also would have no idea how hard it is when soloing to make sure when your flying through all the notes you have to pick the string at exactly the same time as you pass over that fret for the 1/4 of a second that you have your finger there.
and this is an understatement. Off by even a little! Hell, if your finger is a 20th of an inch off compared to the fret, it sounds like shit.

[Tama Drummer]

To the point where little was a challenge. I never started anything with it. I never had the patience to actually time it with other people and figue all that stuff out.

That doesn't help. If little was a challenge to you, you should be an amazing drummer among the greats. Either you haven't been exposed to much varieties of drumming or you're just BSing.


Edit: I guess you're the type of guitarist/people fellow drummers have always complained about. :)
I've talked to numerous drummers on other forums, and a lot of times I'll hear them complaining about the guitarist thinking they're superior and that the drums are easy and don't deserve any respect. I never understood what they were saying before since my guitarists and bassist always understood that drumming is equally as hard as guitars and deserved as much respect.

Every instrument is hard, but from different aspects. :D

[RAGING INFERNO]

EricH. your posts just prove that you're a person who can't appreciate a good drummer because you play a different instrument. us guitar players dont do much work at all. people in good bands just move around and stuff to make themselves equall in a way and make sure that the crowd has an equal interest for the entire band. if you dont count the retarded looking jerking around(which isnt considered required for playing the guitar)we do almost nothing. I'll admit that that is one of the reasons that I desided to play guitar first before playing other instruments. I was playing it easy to start with

and also.. check your pm box!!!!!

[EricH]

That doesn't help. If little was a challenge to you, you should be an amazing drummer among the greats. Either you haven't been exposed to much varieties of drumming or you're just BSing.
I'm sure that if I practiced and practiced and was a good little boy that I could have a band and such. That isn't my dream. It was more of a hobby, and as with any hobby of mine I do become the best I can be. Any variety is just the same as the others with something small changed. Don't get me wrong, its the same with guitar. I'm just saying tha guitar takes alot more to learn. Don't deny this. Maybe getting very good takes equally as much skill. However, learning guitar takes more, because you don't have the coordination to begin with.

[EricH]

EricH. your posts just prove that you're a person who can't appreciate a good drummer because you play a different instrument. us guitar players dont do much work at all. people in good bands just move around and stuff to make themselves equall in a way and make sure that the crowd has an equal interest for the entire band. if you dont count the retarded looking jerking around(which isnt considered required for playing the guitar)we do almost nothing. I'll admit that that is one of the reasons that I desided to play guitar first before playing other instruments. I was playing it easy to start with
I've played both, if you payed attention. I can appreciate a good drummer. However, the level of good drummers is not that of guitar players. Guitar is much harder to learn. That is why good drummers are a dime a dozen. I know atleast 4 while I know only 1 good with guitar. You claim you play the guitar, no? Tell us, did your fingers want to move to the correct frets at first?

and also.. check your pm box!!!!!
no

[Ditch Water]

nah dudes.... bagpipe. i have one. it KILLS my chest.

[Tama Drummer]

However, learning guitar takes more, because you don't have the coordination to begin with.

You don't have four limb indepence/cordination to begin with. :rolleyes:

[EricH]

You don't have four limb indepence/cordination to begin with. :rolleyes:
I barely have one limb control. I suck with coordination. That is why it was hard to learn for me, at first. It is easy now, just like skateboarding, which I also quit.

Alright, last post here. Directed toward Tama since he is the only one truly debating and not being a dumbass, that is for drums.

I've done both. I find that drums are easier. Now look at that last sentence. That's me. Drugs took much less to get into for me, compared to guitar.

Edit: lol, drugs=drums

[lthlinjction]

I've done both. I find that drums are easier. Now look at that last sentence. That's me. Drugs took much less to get into for me, compared to guitar.
That explains a lot. :rolleyes:

[EricH]

That explains a lot. :rolleyes:
Don't skip the edit now. Drugs are a whole different story.

[lthlinjction]

Don't skip the edit now. Drugs are a whole different story.
Well... I'm not skilled in the "art" of drugs. :p

[EricH]

Well... I'm not skilled in the "art" of drugs. :p
I am.

[RAGING INFERNO]

I am.
I'm sure you are

now.. suck on click-)THIS (http://funnyjunk.com/movies/186/Awesome+Gaming+Skills/stream)(-click and start practicing. lol::D

[lthlinjction]

I am.
Umm... congrats?

[EricH]

Umm... congrats?
I actually wanted an award. Not just congrats.

[lthlinjction]

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