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Pitot
08-09-2006, 12:59 AM
It says for greys because I don't see the Barrier Ward as a usefull tool for golds. But for greys the first thing you want to think about is placement for the BW (Barrier Ward).

The Barrier Ward should be placed in the second or third row from the back. This gives it some protection from enemy sharpshooters and also gives your barrier ward the full protection of your armed forces. The Barrier ward should ALWAYS be placed no further than 2 tiles in any direction of your cleric. Also usually in the same row as the LW if your using it for added frontal protection.
The Irony of the BW is that it is only used for protection, but it also needs to be protected. Also you should Only have 1 BW on the field. More than 1 is a waste of good movable units.

When should you use a BW you may ask. Well the basic rule of thumb is use it on either, a severly damaged unit, a unit in focus, or a unit that has the prospect of getting hit and not blocking. Examples are needed. If your witch is down to 10 hp and still has several wait turns, which happens quite often. and a enemy knight is close by, BW your witch, even if you can heal. If she is at 11 and a enemy knight is near by, then just heal, no need to worry about BWing her yet. For the second example, a unit in focus. Most comonly used on the scantly-clad Enchanty (Enchantress). If she is having fun freezing your oppenents guys, and she can get struck by a pesky arrow or mage bomb, Giving her a much need barrier would be advised, she will pay you back later Guarenteed ;). Barriering her gives you added time to demolish the units frozen by her outstanding beauty. The final example Units that may get hit and may not block. For example you send your good old scout into the open to start sniping the extremely hot enchanty, but then her boyfriend, the mean old knights comes on his way to seek his revenge. This is a good time to barrier your scout, wait for the wait time to expire, finish off the hot witch or enchanty, and go on your merry way. There is always that freak occurrence where your LW is lined up with your enemies LW. You can barrier your LW and strike with your witch at your oppenents LW.

Another Strategy for The BW is to barrier one of your units to then use your witch to stike at your enemy leaving your unit unscathed. For example, 2 scouts in a row one yours, one your enemies. Your Witch is 2 tiles behind your scout and 3 behind your enemies. A good strategy may be to barrier your scout protecting it not just from your enemies but also your witch which can then attack without moving severly damaging your oppenents well loved scout. I use that strategy myself quite often.

As important as it is to know when to use a BW it is equally as important to know when not to use it. If it is low on hp and a scout has it in his sights, refrain from using it. In fact if a scout has it in his sights at all you probably shouldnt use it unless absolutly necessary. You shouldnt be using it on random units that dont need it, usually knights that are barely hurt or not at all. just because it's there doesn't mean it needs to be active. Active BWs can be picked off more easily. Ranged units should hopefully be destroyed or paralyzed before the BW is used, and when the ranged units are down is when its full power can be shown.

BW as a blockade. Since the BW does have 100 percent blocking, it is often put directly in front of the cleric. This is usually not a good idea. this prevents the cleric from escaping if he needs to make a hasty reteat to the side. A side attack can devestate a BW used as a blockade. BWs should be protected just as much as they should be used for protection.

The Wild
08-09-2006, 01:03 AM
Umm...why did u make 2 exact same threads?...too bad i can't neg you since i already did once..

Pitot
08-09-2006, 01:05 AM
accident

The Wild
08-09-2006, 01:09 AM
oh okay..nvm..forget what i said about the 2 thread thingies.

LosPollos
08-09-2006, 01:10 AM
Of course, who would put the barier ward in the back row? What kind of newb would be that dense? Anyone who puts it there has to have competely given up on life. Think of all that bottled up emotion. I pray to God that's not too subtle, lol

Pitot
08-09-2006, 01:12 AM
lol I am assuming they have the cleric in back row.... i didnt really think of any moron putting it 2 to the direct side...

The Wild
08-09-2006, 01:16 AM
Of course, who would put the barier ward in the back row? What kind of newb would be that dense? Anyone who puts it there has to have competely given up on life. Think of all that bottled up emotion. I pray to God that's not too subtle, lol

Lol...i get the Bottle joke..i read his strategy thing and saw his set.

Soda
08-09-2006, 02:17 AM
I have my BW in the backrow, it is Bottle's set customized to suit my style.

Lonely Tylenol
08-09-2006, 02:48 AM
lol I am assuming they have the cleric in back row.... i didnt really think of any moron putting it 2 to the direct side...

One to the direct side will do quite nicely.

I originally thought this was a huge mistake as well, until both Bottle and John Jay tooled me with a Barrier Ward one space adjacent to the Cleric. Since it's not in any of the front four rows, the Scout absolutely HAS to be within Lightning Ward range or well into enemy territory to break the BW focus--in the event of the latter, your Scout is undefendable and out of range of the Barrier Ward, unless it's in the front row of your form, and in the event of the former... Ahem. Well.

The thing I truly don't like about your guides is it severely limits the readers' ideas on where and how a ward can be placed. Only on a grey, only in X or Y position, Z means you suck, yada yada... You might find that some of the best applications of these units come in less than conventional ways.

I can even think of a good use of a Barrier Ward in gold strategy... But if you didn't like the Lightning Ward you won't like this one. I'll save you the expense of popping an artery and just keep my pretty mouth shut. :happy:

powza
08-09-2006, 02:53 AM
Awwww, cmon LT your LW post was terrific. Have a go!!!!

Pitot
08-09-2006, 07:29 AM
No, your critisism is good. At least your telling me what you don't like. My biggest problem is whne people say my posts suck without any explanation

Mephisto
08-09-2006, 09:17 AM
you are copying your posts from the Bottle strategy guide. thats why you suck.

zzzaacckk
08-09-2006, 11:13 AM
before I ever saw bottle's set I used the same one... so ya... :p and please dont plagarize...

Punishment
08-09-2006, 12:45 PM
Umm...why did u make 2 exact same threads?...too bad i can't neg you since i already did once..

Neg =)

:p

Good Guide. I too like a back row BW, sometimes i put it on the second corner too.

Pitot
08-09-2006, 02:07 PM
I NEVER READ BOTTLES GOD DAMN POSTS SO STOP ACCUSING ME OF PLAGARISM. This is my strategy and solely mine. The only one I have read about Strategy is z. master so if you want to accuse me of plagarism, accuse me of plagarising him because that is the only POST I HAVE READ IN THIS ENTIRE GENERAL STRATEGY THREAD ABOUT A SPECIFIC UNIT. ONE was his LW, the other his DT, the rest I looked at was formation strategies, NOTHING ABOUT BOTTLES, you slanderous technically libel starting people.

ryanbelanger
08-09-2006, 04:07 PM
Before you get too angry and blow a gasket, I'll tell you why this thread sucks.

First, use some punctuation. Seperating paragraphs might be nice. No one likes to read a solid chunk of text like that.

Second, assume some prior knowledge. Most people who read these forums know what a "enchanty" is, and those who don't shouldn't be reading strategy anyways. Its degrading and seems like you are talking down to the reader.

Third, this is all basic logic. It is by no means strategy. Go out into a few matches, do some testing with radical ideas and come back to us with your results. Find something out that most don't realize. Prime example being nads' scout LOS thread. xoxo's ideas were revolutionary. Thats the reason his is stickied and your's is ridiculed.

-ryanbelanger.

bobo99
08-09-2006, 04:37 PM
Hmmmm one of z.masters stradegy guides is copied from bottle.

Pitot
08-09-2006, 05:12 PM
EVERYTHING IS A COPY TO YOU GUYS!! I did not copy Z. master because he is an idiot. His strategies are not copied but just suck. I do not want to be told not to use the LW but have it idley sitting there. I COPIED NO ONE, not even z. master I simply read it thought it sucked and decided to tell people what strategy I use both as a gold and a grey. If people think they can beat me as a grey COME TO LEGENDS SERVER AND GIVE IT A TRY. Most of these people probably couldn't beat me as a grey with a noob set up, and definently not with the set up I am advocated with my strategies posted.

ryanbelanger
08-10-2006, 11:37 AM
Pilot, I'm down for a grey match. No drops? I'll reply when I get home from work later today.

Only stipulation is if I beat you you won't post garbage here anymore.
Actually, you won't post here at all, ever again.

steve12
08-10-2006, 11:56 AM
EVERYTHING IS A COPY TO YOU GUYS!! I did not copy Z. master because he is an idiot. His strategies are not copied but just suck. I do not want to be told not to use the LW but have it idley sitting there. I COPIED NO ONE, not even z. master I simply read it thought it sucked and decided to tell people what strategy I use both as a gold and a grey. If people think they can beat me as a grey COME TO LEGENDS SERVER AND GIVE IT A TRY. Most of these people probably couldn't beat me as a grey with a noob set up, and definently not with the set up I am advocated with my strategies posted.

Why don'cha shutup for once you retard. You are full of yourself. And by the way, this is FPS.... so we all own you here. :)

some1udontknow
08-10-2006, 12:32 PM
Why don'cha shutup for once you retard. You are full of yourself. And by the way, this is FPS.... so we all own you here. :)


All said here.

shatterstar
08-10-2006, 12:38 PM
EVERYTHING IS A COPY TO YOU GUYS!! I did not copy Z. master because he is an idiot. His strategies are not copied but just suck. I do not want to be told not to use the LW but have it idley sitting there. I COPIED NO ONE, not even z. master I simply read it thought it sucked and decided to tell people what strategy I use both as a gold and a grey. If people think they can beat me as a grey COME TO LEGENDS SERVER AND GIVE IT A TRY. Most of these people probably couldn't beat me as a grey with a noob set up, and definently not with the set up I am advocated with my strategies posted.

legends does not exist. you're a noob. radioactive llamas will beat you in this game. now go away.

Pitot
08-10-2006, 05:50 PM
OMFG is everybody retarded Legends does exist is that some sort of inside joke or is everybody so ignorant down here, and ryan I accept your challenge I will be in around 11:00 at night eastern time. 4 hours from this post

bobo99
08-11-2006, 02:56 PM
Yes, but I dont consider it a "inside joke" I consider it more of a "retarded inside joke". ;)

steve12
08-11-2006, 03:13 PM
OMFG is everybody retarded Legends does exist is that some sort of inside joke or is everybody so ignorant down here, and ryan I accept your challenge I will be in around 11:00 at night eastern time. 4 hours from this post

And I consider this guy a retarded joke from a server that is completely made up. :eek:

some1udontknow
08-11-2006, 03:24 PM
I know, legends is only a myth. A tale. A story. Meaning it DOES NOT EXIST.

Pitot
08-11-2006, 09:42 PM
http://www.digisonline.com/tactics/play/ is the link where you can play on legends server... for all you people who say it's made up, I hope it is some sort of sick joke to mess with my head cause otherwise, your all idiots.

Lonely Tylenol
08-11-2006, 11:16 PM
http://www.digisonline.com/tactics/play/ is the link where you can play on legends server... for all you people who say it's made up, I hope it is some sort of sick joke to mess with my head cause otherwise, your all idiots.

It's a sick joke. Many distinguished players have Legends alts.

And really guys, does any single one of you know when to shut up? The last time I humbled the three big players in this crapfest, Geoff and some1 actually tried to justify their own lack of common sense with more of the same bullshit. Now you're multiplying? Who on God's green Earth gave you guys the right to multiply?

steve12, shatterstar, for the love of all things sacred, GET THE ^%*& OUT before you make even bigger fools of yourselves.

marklar2
08-11-2006, 11:40 PM
Uh oh LT's mad. :confused:

lthlinjction
08-11-2006, 11:44 PM
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b. A body or collection of such stories.
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goon
08-12-2006, 12:17 AM
Come on guys give pilot a bit of slack and stop messing with him. Though some of what he posted isn't that well... yeah keep your personal opinions to yourself unless its constructive and if you have a problem play him.

Its nice to see lethal keep a sense of humour about everything >.<