New Designated CAU Judging Panel

[Smiley_Girl]

If you would like to submit a unit, please post here or PM a Main Judge with it.

Units Under Consideration (5)
Forest_Archer - Extarn (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27419)

Forest_Archer-Can't Vote
Shatterstar-YES
Smiley_Girl-YES
Deleryn-IDK
Toledo13-
Ironhorse123-YES
Cross Punisher-IDK


bobo99 - Magical Tree (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?&p=906730)

Forest_Archer-NO
Shatterstar-NO
Smiley_Girl-NO
Deleryn-YES
Toledo13-
Ironhorse123-NO
Cross Punisher-NO


bobdagangsta - Extendo Plague Mouse (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27678)

Forest_Archer-YES
Shatterstar-NO
Smiley_Girl-NO
Deleryn-NO
Toledo13-
Ironhorse123-NO
Cross Punisher-IDK


Ironhorse123 - The Guzzy (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27745)

Forest_Archer-NO
Shatterstar-NO
Smiley_Girl-NO
Deleryn-NO
Toledo13-
Ironhorse123-Can't Vote
Cross Punisher-NO


Ironhorse123 - The SBD (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?p=915294#post915294)

Forest_Archer-NO
Shatterstar-NO
Smiley_Girl-NO
Deleryn-NO
Toledo13-
Ironhorse123-Can't Vote
Cross Punisher-NO


Deleryn - Voodoo Shaman (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27106)

Forest_Archer-
Shatterstar-
Smiley_Girl-
Deleryn-Can't Vote
Toledo13-
Ironhorse123-
Cross Punisher-

[Smiley_Girl]

Potential Silver Units (0)

Potential Gold Units (0)

[Forest_Archer]

Sweet.

[Smiley_Girl]

You can PM me your votes for the 3 units from July. F_A, I'd appreciate it if you could make the voting thread each month. :)

[Forest_Archer]

Wait, what? This is weird. I stopped doing the voting threads each month.

[Cuathon]

is this different from Deleryns?

[Smiley_Girl]

Wait, what? This is weird. I stopped doing the voting threads each month.

well start up again, do August when it gets to the end of August

[Forest_Archer]

is this different from Deleryns?

Wow. Just wow.

[bobdagangsta]

Damn I got a no.

[shatterstar]

cua, keep up. the 3 of us are forming the deli-initiated committee and adding people as they get units certified.

i'll go ahead post my take on each of the judging criteria, so everyone follows my reasoning whenever i vote for/against a unit. when considering a unit i may bump the unit thread with questions, so authors: be prepared to answer questions.

1. Originality/Creativity
This for me, is by far the most important criteria of all. its quite self-explanatory, and I dont even mind an author re-working a idea that has come up before, provided that your take on said concept have something original and unique that sets it apart from earlier incarnations.
that said, i will always place a 100% original idea significantly ahead of an original reworking of an older idea.

2. Balance
This criteria, is more of a prerequisite than a criteria for me. If you manage to do balance your unit, excellent. if it's not balanced i'll hardly go indepth. I will certainly consider how difficult a unit is to balance when i look at it and I may investigate your thinking behind balancing a unit. I might ask why and how you came up with a certain figure for HP and armor etc etc.

3. Tactical Usage
After originality, I will rank this as the most important criteria. I generally don't go too deep into this on most units, mainly out of laziness, but rest assured I will do so if I'm judging. I will give greater weight to a unit with a unique tactical role, especially one that can trigger new formations, than a tactically sound unit that fits into one of the existing formation systems and styles of play.

4. Abuse Potential
This is not that difficult a criteria to explain. If your unit has potential for abuse, the mitigating factor should be a steep learning curve. I wont hold it abuse potential against you, if you can argue it out why its not a factor that makes unit the next golem ambusher (pre-range-reduction).

5.Simplicity
The least important criteria for me, since it will often clash with originality. All I ask is within the bounds of the original concept make it as simple as possible.
On this note, please think many times before adding specials. Specials added complexity. Does the originality and/or tactical potential merit that?

Voting:
1. Extarn. As i said in the thread, brilliant unit.
This unit's power isnt that high, at 17 blockable and recducable damage. Further its a melee unit. Its real use comes from positional skill. We all know how annoying blocking is. This unit rewards you for good positional skill and getting the hits in, rather than repeatedly attacking from the front, lowering the blocking and eventually getting a hit in. Further it can use attacks to increase its movement range. Its fairly simple, based as it is on a generic melee unit. On the originality note, Im sure something like this has come up before, but its refreshingly unique enough for me. I vote YES

2.tree
this is a fairly original unit and the author did a good job both explaining its workings answering questions. my biggest gripe with this unit is its abuse potential. it can a) attack 3 tiles in a row, b) occupy those tiles, moving units out of the way and c)roll onto another 3 tiles. there are too many way this unit can cause trouble. its not at all a simple unit either. to summarize, its an original unit with great abuse potential and not enough remaining tactical potential to outweigh its complexity. I vote NO

3. Mouse
I never really liked this unit. There have been other plague/infection units before and this is fairly generic in that sense. tactically, it doesnt bring much that the wisp diesnt already do - gradual HP decrease + limiting movement(mouse)/attack(wisp). I vote NO

[Cross Punisher]

So do you just submit a unit to be judged?

[ironhorse123]

I have two units that I'd like some comments on and I'd like them to be voted on. Both are from the first CAU challenge. (99 power)



The Guzzy (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27745)

The SBD (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?p=915294#post915294)


Not to mention, good luck! I hope this works much better than ever. :)

[Forest_Archer]

bobo99 • Magical Tree. . . is freaking confusing. I don't care if there are like 10 diagrams. I give it a NO. :) Not even kidding. CAU is about elegancy and simplicity. If you have a complicated unit, use code diagrams and make it easier to understand.

bobdagangsta • Extendo Plague Mouse. . . I see a lot of potential, but it could be used fairly easy. However, I am a fan of the way it attacks, so I'll give it a YES. However, I won't vote yes in the platinum voting for it.

[Cross Punisher]

Just had to stop by

Channel Paralyzer (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19405)

Vote now

[Forest_Archer]

Umm... isn't that already gold if not platinum, Cross?

[bobdagangsta]

Damn, I only got 1 YES. And 2 NOs.

[Cross Punisher]

yeah but I thought this was something differnet because smiley said they were going in a hall of fame. Status doesn't matter just the critiques.

[deleryn]

Smiley, read the pm I sent you. :mad:

yeah but I thought this was something differnet because smiley said they were going in a hall of fame. Status doesn't matter just the critiques.

Sorry, bad communication.

/lock
/destroy
/forget
/worthless

:)

Smiley must be having fond memories of the last committee.

[Kyir]

All of my units are the only ones that matter, the only way true judging can be created is by comparison to them.

[deleryn]

All of my units are the only ones that matter, the only way true judging can be created is by comparison to them.

Therefore all units except Kyirs are excellent, gg?

[Kyir]

actually, every unit is equal to an amount of my units, for example, the average unit is equal to 1/2 of one of my average units, on the other hand a super great unit is worth mabey 3/5ths of one of my units, a hella super unit might even be equal to one of mine.

[Cross Punisher]

see del agress with me so review

[deleryn]

actually, every unit is equal to an amount of my units, for example, the average unit is equal to 1/2 of one of my average units, on the other hand a super great unit is worth mabey 3/5ths of one of my units, a hella super unit might even be equal to one of mine.

It doesn't take much more than the average intellect to understand kyir's language. hella super = mega suck and such :)

[Cross Punisher]

Well I was going to post something in that "Hall of Fame" thread but since you asked so nicely...:)

[deleryn]

Well I was going to post something in that "Hall of Fame" thread but since you asked so nicely...:)

Thank you cross! I'd rep you again if I could :)

We really need Xerent around for some of this.

[Smiley_Girl]

Thank you cross! I'd rep you again if I could :)

We really need Xerent around for some of this.

I'll rep him :D

[Kyir]

So as it turns out I have something serious to say, believe it or not. Even as the general egomaniacal person in these forums I can see that these committees are a ego trip, you're basically making a few people who are better then everyone else, and frankly half the people on these boards aren’t fitting to be above anyone (not directed at any one person). You can't run something like this without someone sucking at life, and someone will like always. In short, I have very low expectations about where this is going, and having units that I made be "approved" or "certified" by a bunch of people that aren’t on the same level as the golden Über l33t age of CAU doesn’t add an aspect of greatness to this.

Good luck with everything though ;)

[deleryn]

They'd only suck at life about as much as the moderators do.

I dunno. Mith's been avoiding this place like the plague. I've negged five people today. Maybe kyir is right?

[Kyir]

Mith quit, didn't I mention that?

[deleryn]

That's what I mean. He thinks CAU is poison to his mind or something. I read all about it.

[ThorinH]

So as it turns out I have something serious to say, believe it or not. Even as the general egomaniacal person in these forums I can see that these committees are a ego trip, you're basically making a few people who are better then everyone else, and frankly half the people on these boards aren’t fitting to be above anyone (not directed at any one person). You can't run something like this without someone sucking at life, and someone will like always. In short, I have very low expectations about where this is going, and having units that I made be "approved" or "certified" by a bunch of people that aren’t on the same level as the golden Über l33t age of CAU doesn’t add an aspect of greatness to this.

Good luck with everything though ;)

Well...Take a moment to think about this. WHY do you create units in the first place. are they not for other people to see and tell you what they think about it? To me all this seems to do is to give those who make units an incentive to try harder. As long as the critiquing is honest, does it really matter WHO does it? It gives a little order to the randomness of making units. Try to look on the pos side. If this fails, so what. Nothing lost, nothing gained really. It's all just in fun. And if you don't like how yours was critiqued, who cares, it's not as if your life will be over for it. As it is tough to write without sounding harsh or emotionless, this is stated very lightheartedly. :bigsmile:

[Kyir]

Well...Take a moment to think about this. WHY do you create units in the first place. are they not for other people to see and tell you what they think about it? To me all this seems to do is to give those who make units an incentive to try harder. As long as the critiquing is honest, does it really matter WHO does it? It gives a little order to the randomness of making units. Try to look on the pos side. If this fails, so what. Nothing lost, nothing gained really. It's all just in fun. And if you don't like how yours was critiqued, who cares, it's not as if your life will be over for it. As it is tough to write without sounding harsh or emotionless, this is stated very lightheartedly. :bigsmile:

No... I'm pretty sure I make units because I can, and i'm bored. After you being wrong so early I don't feel like reading the rest really.

[Smiley_Girl]

This thread isn't organized enough, deli and I are working on a new one that will hopefully be stickied, it will explain the process, and it will have a link to the hall of fame thread which i guess i posted too early :\ but anyway, this thread doesn't mean anything.

[ThorinH]

Kyir, I swear I don't think I will ever understand you. A lot of people may, but your just...strange IMO. Nothing personal really, but if your doing this just because you can, then what do you care really?

[Cross Punisher]

That's what I mean. He thinks CAU is poison to his mind or something. I read all about it.

would someone mind giving me a link to this?

Also, Cross Punisher > (Kyir)*2

[Smiley_Girl]

would someone mind giving me a link to this?

Cross, would you mind being a panel judge for a while along with toledo13, ironhorse123, and deleryn?

[Cross Punisher]

You know it's really funny watching all this unfold

Uh whats a panel judge do?

[Smiley_Girl]

read the first post

[Cross Punisher]

you mean a public judge?

[Smiley_Girl]

you mean a public judge?

yea

[ThorinH]

just remember to be good to me when comes time to vote my stuff Smiley. I helped get you there j/k.

[Smiley_Girl]

CAU Award Committee Charter

CAU Hall of Fame (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28317)

It's my pleasure to announce the arrival of the fourth Tactics Arena Online CAU Committee. It was created with the spirit of Mithrandir's committee in mind, and hopefully will achieve a system of organization for everyone involved in the forums' CAU section.

For this committee, it will be standard practice to PM a request for judging your unit to any of the judges. If this really bothers you, there is a discussion thread where you can post your requests. This committee will only judge a unit if that unit's creator asks.

All judges should remember that this committee will value discussion and insight into new strategies possible with new units more than voting and a Hall of Fame. A simple "yes" or "no" vote is so shallow. Always fully explain the reasoning behind your voting. Also, please remember to welcome new members with proper amounts of respect fitted for any human being and to keep the atmosphere friendly.

Mithrandir's Committee (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16946)

Mithrandir made the first committee and decided that a number of judges would be selected to determine the quality of any submitted units. This committee will utilize the same system of judges, but with a new twist. Because judges tended to become unactive after a period of time, the new committee will elect judges onto a panel twice a month instead of making the same judges work themselves to doom and flee from CAU.

A panel judge is elected based on the quality of his "election unit". An author may, at any time but only twice a month (even after the unit has been submitted regularly), submit nearly any of his created units as this "election unit". However, election units may only be submitted once; they will afterward be uninvolved in the process of electing panel judges. Twice a month, permanent judges choose four of the "election units" to allow their creators to become panel judges until the next election period.

Another new twist on the old committee is that the degree of immortalization offered by the hall of fame is varied. Bronze units are posted for only a month after recieving unanimous voted from all present judges that it is well-structured and demonstrates either a new feature, stratecial concept, or if it manages to use abilities in a new way. Generally, bronze units must be worthy of a few moment's attention.

Silver units require a majority of the present judges to vote that it would be an excellent addition to the Tactics Arena Online game on any server. The Hall of Fame will record Silver units for as long as they maintain the majority of "yes" votes for all judges who vote for it.

Should a unit ever unanimously recieve yes votes by a full staff of 7 judges, it will be forever recorded as a gold unit. Gold units should be the most excellent products of the CAU community; any unit that would fit seamlessly into the Tactics Arena Online game.

Judging Criteria

Originality/Creativity
Balance
Tactical Usage
Abuse Potential
Simplicity


Current Judges

Forest_Archer
Shatterstar
Smiley_Girl
Deleyrn
Toledo13
Ironhorse123
Cross Punisher


That's what we have, do you think it'll be good?

[Cross Punisher]

apparently I have to wait until one of my unit's is certified before I'm able to become a Public Judge

[Smiley_Girl]

apparently I have to wait until one of my unit's is certified before I'm able to become a Public Judge

Well, we decided we would like to START with 7 judges instead of just 3, so you would be on it to begin with and would become off of it when other units get certified

[Cross Punisher]

Does my unit still get reviewed?
YeahI'mIn

[Smiley_Girl]

Yes it can be, and thanks.

We want 3 threads, The main thread (charter) where it shows what units the judges are judging and the guidelines, the hall of fame thread where it shows what units have been certified, and the discussion thread where people can submit units to judges and where judges can elaborate on their votes.

[Cross Punisher]

... so smiley, how you doing :hi:

[Smiley_Girl]

... so smiley, how you doing :hi:
Sleepy :lazy2:

[Cross Punisher]

:blush2:

[Smiley_Girl]

I'm gonna go now, hopefully we can start all this tomarrow morning.

[Duffman]

Well...Take a moment to think about this. WHY do you create units in the first place. are they not for other people to see and tell you what they think about it?

CP makes units for the chicks.

I'm so confused about the voting eh. How many rouns of voting for a unit are there? 3? 2? You need 7 yes votes to make bronze, then you need a majority of yes votes to get silver and finally a unanimous vote to get gold. Do you need to be Bronze to get Silver?

Also the terms "Fit into the game"... I don't know if any unit except Kyir's would fit into the game. the rest would just make it complicated. Which would be good for guru's but hardly seemless for people who can't think like a computer.

[Kyir]

Kyir, I swear I don't think I will ever understand you. A lot of people may, but your just...strange IMO. Nothing personal really, but if your doing this just because you can, then what do you care really?

I care because I can't stand noobs?

[Duffman]

Look I'm sorry, the voting system doesn't work.

Basically everyone is voting on whether they think the unit should get bronzed. However if all the judges think the units should make bronze that makes the unit gold. Using the quantity of Yes votes at the same level of scaling for three different unit qualities of unit will not work. I mean the difference between a Bronze unit which "is well-structured and demonstrates either a new feature, stratecial concept, or if it manages to use abilities in a new way. Generally, bronze units must be worthy of a few moment's attention." and a Gold unit which is "the most excellent products of the CAU community; any unit that would fit seamlessly into the Tactics Arena Online game." Is TWO votes.

You can't expect to give one voting criteria and the quality of the units to sort themselves into the proper category where two votes separate gold and bronze. When a judge votes are they voting for the unit to make bronze, silver or gold cause it seems the person who casts one of the last votes will decide whether it scales between a "excellent unit" or just one that has a new idea.

[deleryn]

I thought that bronze had a different voting standard too.

The first idea was that only one yes vote made a unit "bronze". Toledo first brought up the "different scale" idea and in the stuff I sent to smiley, I thought it was adequately clear that bronze votes were for if the unit was mildly interesting. I should've been around to respond to Cross's post way back when. He questioned why Bronze was unanimous and then silver/gold were too.

When it comes right down to it, any of the judges should be able to simply nominate a unit "bronze". The month's length showing is more to attract the judge's attention than anything else. I would suggest that that would be much more simple than confusing the voting process more and it wouldn't require other judges' attention.

You guys will figure it out. Sorry I wasn't around to clear misconceptions.

[Cross Punisher]

I sort of understood what Duff was getting at but I didn't get a word he said. Something like it being weird you need all yes votes to get bronze but also all yes votes to get Gold.

[Duffman]

If you read the charter it now says 5 votes from any judge = bronze, 5 votes where all main judges voted yes makes it silver and a unanimous vote makes it Gold.

Why can't you just stick with one round of voting for Gold, and then a second tougher round of voting for platnium. And if you want to then add in the Bronze thing too.

[deleryn]

Well its up to smiley now but doing it the same way as the previous committee sounds fine.

Instead of bronze, maybe have a "consideration" section that changes monthly. Units enter it after a judge pms whoever's in charge of the Hall of Fame. 5 judges voting "yes" (just a bit more than the majority but still possible with opposition) = gold, then a new vote for platinum. That should probably be more serious; higher standards and I would make it unanimous.

I had problems calling it the "4th" committee because I didn't have much support from the first three. Same for calling them gold and platinum units. I was hoping that actually making the judges post in the creator's thread would lead to more attention and insight on both sides of the whole committee idea. Dunno, seemed great to me at the time, though.

This is smiley's show to run, though. :)
Anything else while I'm here? Or just go straight to her.

[Forest_Archer]

I'm SO confused. And btw guys, xe judged my unit. Only a third though. :(

[Anarchy_United]

Why can't I be a judge?

[Kyir]

Also the terms "Fit into the game"... I don't know if any unit except Kyir's would fit into the game. the rest would just make it complicated. Which would be good for guru's but hardly seemless for people who can't think like a computer.

Some of my units would AF this game pretty hardcore ;)

[deleryn]

Why can't I be a judge?

Don't let anyone ever tell you you're too slow, that you're not good enough, or that you're just retarded. Just set a goal for yourself and go, man! :rolleyes:

I don't know if you'd be a good judge or not. But proving that you can fasion a solid unit would be good enough for most of us, I think. And if you just want to critique and don't want to make anything, maybe you'll replace one of the main judges.

[Smiley_Girl]

Okay, I'm done with this, Del, you do it, or get someone else to do it, I'm just so frickin confused with what we're doing.

[The Coder]

even with my corrupt ways I wasn't made a judge...

[deleryn]

Okay, I'm done with this, Del, you do it, or get someone else to do it, I'm just so frickin confused with what we're doing.

Okay. I'll pm Xerent to change it and you can go about following directions if you want. You could even nominate a new main judge! Who-hooo! :rolleyes:

If so, this is going down the drain.

[bobdagangsta]

GO SMILEY!!!11!!!1!! :p

[deleryn]

GO SMILEY!!!11!!!1!! :p

haha.

And I was worried we'd lose all of our support. :D

turns out it's just me :rolleyes:

[ironhorse123]

Okay, what's going on? :confused:

[Smiley_Girl]

Del, I just thought of a great idea while I was in the shower... that sounded awkward
Well, the first post of this thread could be the Units in voting by the judge, 2nd post could be hall of fame, or something like that. Like the first post could be units being voted for bronze, and the 2nd could be units in voting for silver/gold
and then link to HoF

OKAY! I finished! Let's do this now! August voting is soon.

[deleryn]

Thx for thinking of me in the shower. :beach:

Okay, what's going on? :confused:

I put smiley in charge when I probably shouldn't have. :rolleyes:

I was still thinking that we'd vote in the unit's thread and only judges who wanted to vote would participate. Sorry she made you a judge without telling you what was happening. I did say I would take a month to organize, right?

Off topic:

Linking is great. We only need one thread. HoF is that one post you made a while back. No need to link to the entire post, just the first one. That way, responding doesn't matter. I'll write it out later and send you what you need to know. If you reply to a page and remove the [*quote] tags, you get the original format. :)

[Smiley_Girl]

Thx for thinking of me in the shower. :beach:



I put smiley in charge when I probably shouldn't have. :rolleyes:

I was still thinking that we'd vote in the unit's thread and only judges who wanted to vote would participate. Sorry she made you a judge without telling you what was happening. I did say I would take a month to organize, right?

Off topic:

Linking is great. We only need one thread. HoF is that one post you made a while back. No need to link to the entire post, just the first one. That way, responding doesn't matter. I'll write it out later and send you what you need to know. If you reply to a page and remove the [*quote] tags, you get the original format. :)
I sent out PM's to the judges about... 15 minutes ago, now i need a sandwich.

:offtopic: I always think about u in the shower... O_O

[deleryn]

Okay, things should be getting organized reallll good soon, now.

I pmed smiley a new charter thread with a "how to:" format that's supposed to be easy to understand.

BTW, we're linking to that old Hall of Fame thread now, just the first post in the thread, so you can edit out the 2nd post in the charter thread. Make it say, "Reserved for possible future Additions' or something. Then you can lock it if you'd like. I dunno, you could leave it open for suggestion responses.

Maybe it would be better to let the hall of fame thread die and keep using the Charter thread. But then you'd have to scroll down and I don't think the judges would enjoy that. Then again, they'd have to link anyways the other way.

Let's just keep it in the charter thread and have a link to the second post in the first post. :cool: Or you could update both threads at the same time :rolleyes:

One more thing!

Stuff gets updated on the 5th and 21st of each month. Judges change, Bronze/Under Consideration units change every month, so they stay for two rotations. Leap year doesn't matter and the changes in the months only make a couple day's difference sometimes. Anybody got a problem with that?

[Smiley_Girl]

w00t that means none of my threads were spam! kapow!

[Smiley_Girl]

I just finished my votes:
Sorry Iron, but I don't see the Guzzy being fit into the game right now, the main attacking units are scouts, knights, and the dragon, and with the Guzzy's effects, it would be hard to kill.
Another no to the SBD, this time, I think it's underly overpowered, if that makes sense, it's balanced but in the, "put a penny on one side and it will waaaaaay off" kind of way, and I don't think it'll work, and it has too many abilities for noobs to understand.
CP, your CP is very very tactical, I think it's an amazing unit the way it works through other units, which is what the game needs, teamwork, it would be a great addition to the game, and probobly a 'must-use' unit, I would consider working this unit all the way through to Gold level.

[deleryn]

Bumping things is kinda dull. Maybe make a revision that it voting buisness should be done in the original thread whenever it is convinient to do so.

Smiley posted my changes. Like the color scheme? Is it easy enough to understand?

[Smiley_Girl]

Del needs to vote ;)

[Forest_Archer]

Ironhorse123's Guzzy
NO
I'm not a harsh judge usually, but this is just overpowered. Decreasing power overtime isn't enough to stop this unit from being used in a bomb, for example.

Ironhorse123's STD :laugh:
NO
Once again, this unit has 99 power and is overpowered, even with the special abilities.

Cross Punisher's Channel Paralyzer
UNDECIDED
It's too confusing. I tried reading it at least three times before and now I have to judge it. I attempted understanding it again, but I still can't.

[deleryn]

Del needs to vote ;)

You guys aren't doing this like I thought we would, i.e. you're not doing it the way that the thread specifies. Try reading it. :rolleyes:

Technically, none of the units are being considered yet. We don't actually vote until one of the judges says its Under Consideration; not that one of the judges comes out of nowhere saying "I just finished my votes".

I'll make an example. You obviously need it.

Edit: the example will be edited in.


Example Unit:

Hi. This is my unit. It's really, really good. I'd like to ask the new committee to judge it.
Stats: (boring, for an example)
Judge1: okay.
I like it, it's indeed a good unit.
It will be considered by the committee.
Author: kewl, thx committee!
Judge1: I like such and such. Such and such can be improved. Good job. :D Silver? No. But maybe with a little polish.
Judge2: I agree with Judge 1. No. However, such and such.
Judge3: I'm sure it'll be better with just a few minute changes. You can have my Yes vote. :)
Author: Okay, I'll change it. Blah.
Judge1: I like the changes. It was brilliant how you changed it without even taking my suggestions. I'll change my vote to Yes.
Judge2: I'm a sour old fat guy. I'm not going to change my vote :mad:

Get the idea?
In the case where the unit's thread is out of date, official stuff can be done in a different thread, I suppose. Might want to edit in the exception in the charter thread smiley. :)

Since we already started, here's my critique anyways:

The Guzzy (link) (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=914670&postcount=10)

I like how the diagonal attacks make it an "all or nothing" front block or back attack unit, which somewhat reduces the problem of using 99 power. I don't know if that was intentional or not, I only thought diagonal might be more than a newbie CAU idea until now, but it does have that effect.

The second ability is too specialized. I know it fits in with the description and I've done it more than anyone here, probably, but the description should be based on the unit and not the other way around. Maybe inspiration for he concept is good, but special abilities like this make for too many annoying rules and shortcuts.

Always starting with wait is also a little dull. I don't think am extra recovery requirement needs to be added.

It does start the game with 99 power. As forest said, that makes it into more of a rushing unit. If it started with less, had a chance to get it back, and was balanced and creative and all that, it would probably get my yes vote (if it's not too much like Serge's sand golem).

Sorry, but you got my No. :(

The SBD (link) (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=915293&postcount=25)

Automatically damaging any two of your opponents units when the SBD is attacked is simply strange, annoying, and confusing. What happens when another SBD is picked? What happenes if any of the SBDs are stoned? If it is assassin-bombed, do both of your opponent's units automatically die? :confused:

Damaging the SBD whenever it attacks is also those three things. Does attacking one unit and taking 1/5th of the damage to itself cause the two units you pick at the start of the game to be damaged? Does armor apply to the amount of damage it does to itself? :confused:

Ability three is really like beating a dead horse. ;) None of its abilities involving taking damage work inversely when the opponent's cleric heals it, right?

I really liked the Guzzy better. The slew of abilities would make people go insane. But it is better than the way the other two judges voted. My vote is another No.

[Cross Punisher]

Cross Punisher's Channel Paralyzer
UNDECIDED
It's too confusing. I tried reading it at least three times before and now I have to judge it. I attempted understanding it again, but I still can't.[/font]
so what don't you understand exactly? Just PM me

[ironhorse123]

Well, meh, I didn't expect these to go far. They weren't my best. I'm going to be thinking of a new idea. I hope it's better. ;)

Extarn -

Interesting idea. Just so I don't forget, in the notes, you say it can't attack shrubs. Can it attack them, but it stops the "flow" or can it just not attack them? Also, it's a pretty powerful unit, but I like it. Is the recovery 2 if it just moves and doesn't attack? (Seems like a stupid question, but never hurts to ask) It's not a huge problem, but I think it may be a little hard to kill with the armor it has, it's fairly high HP, and good blocking. Nothing big was missed in this unit. Yes. Although, I do think you should maybe weaken the blocking a little.


Magical Tree -

My eyes. Lots of stuff. :p I read it all and the unit itself just seems too confusing. This and that. Blocking is very high and, well, it's hard to understand. Sorry, but I give it a no.


Extendo Plague Mouse -

The huge main problem I see with this unit is the "pink trail" it leaves. You cannot control where a unit walks if it has two ways to go. L67 said this very well and he's right. Units that leave trials like that don't work because it's too uncontrollable. It also seems a little weak because it's pretty easy to kill and once it's killed the plague goes bye-bye. I hope this didn't sound harsh because that is not my intention. Sorry, but I also give this a no.

Channel Paralyzer -

Yes. Great concept that isn't overpowered. I like the whole host idea! Good unit. Sorry for the short comment, but I'm very tired and this unit is just good.




Also, I think we should do judging the way Ryn (Deleryn for you noobs. ;)) says. Someone simply says I want to submit this. Then, the judges vote. The whole idea of bronze, silver, and gold is good and I like it. I don't get what HOF and all that is for. It's all confusing. I get I'm a judge, but wow. :p Hopefully soon this will be more organized.

EDIT: Okay, now I'm REALLY confused. what happened to the first post? I'm just going to vote on each unit I see on the first post. Hopefully that is what I'm supposed to do.

[Duffman]

Cross Punisher's Channel Paralyzer
UNDECIDED
It's too confusing. I tried reading it at least three times before and now I have to judge it. I attempted understanding it again, but I still can't.
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It's too confusing. Why do all of your units have to be so dang long?

How am I supposed to vote on this?

I motion that Forest_Archer be removed from the judging panel.

If he is unable to understand longer more intriguing units then he has no place judging.

[Forest_Archer]

It was partially a joke, because about half of my units are really complex too, but this unit is too complex for my taste. I can't pinpoint one exact place where I get confused.

[Duffman]

A joke? You said you couldn't understand it. Case closed. You're out of the band.

[Forest_Archer]

... You're not even in the committee. :happy:

[Duffman]

Oh dear FA, Oh dear.

[Forest_Archer]

I'm not dissing you, I'm just saying.. you can't really knock me off. I was asking Cross to clear it up.

[deleryn]

There is a provision that complaining is perfectly okay. But I'm just a panel judge. Kinks like this will hopefully work themselves out, if you'd care not to scratch each other's eyeballs out. :D

It was a mistake to try to vote on it in the first place and we haven't ever voted together before. A little more patience and we might get somewhere.

You've been around longer and people have been challenging our right to form a committee. You've been around for a while; what do you think, Duffman?


Ironhorse: Are we voting for those too? We should get something together so all the judges vote in about the same part of the thread. PM the rest of us first, I guess.

[shatterstar]

Also, I think we should do judging the way Ryn (Deleryn for you noobs. ;)) says. Someone simply says I want to submit this. Then, the judges vote. The whole idea of bronze, silver, and gold is good and I like it. I don't get what HOF and all that is for. It's all confusing. I get I'm a judge, but wow. :p Hopefully soon this will be more organized.

EDIT: Okay, now I'm REALLY confused. what happened to the first post? I'm just going to vote on each unit I see on the first post. Hopefully that is what I'm supposed to do.

its simple, this thread is where all the talk and discussion and flame and spam on judging happens. people ask for their units to be voted on here, we vote here. Smiley keeps track of potential units and their votes in the first 2 posts. thos that make it get added to the stickied thread.

am i right ryn? if im not, add me to the confused list.

Guzzy
Normally I wouldnt consider a 99 power unit at all since balancing it would entail insane extremes. Since it was for the challenge, i'll look it over.
so first, effective power of the Guzzy = 85.
on originality, i wont score this very high, since lowering power every turn the 1st balancing method that comes to mind for a 99 power unit. the stats and attack are nothing unique.
further, even with the high wait and power reduction, its still v.overpowered. its got enough oomph to take down 1 maybe 2 hopefully 3 units in 1 hit before its too weak. at 59Hp and 40% blocking its durabiliity is quite high as well.
my worst gripe with it is the tacky 2nd ability. i dont see how it changes tactics much. i would go after a 99 power unit like crazy while it was recovering whatever extra wait it costs.
A fine attempt for the challenge, but not certification level. sorry dude. I vote NO.

SBD
props for originality here. the variation is HP with movement of the SBD and haloed units is a nice idea.
however, the spread of damage an opponent does to the SBD to the haloed units hammers any balancing job. not only does it have 99 power @ start, attacking it carries a penalty. it really doesnt need that.
the healing special doesnt change anything since generally most skilled players with 1 cleric i think would heal at roughly the same rate.
so once again, i vote NO

[deleryn]

its simple, this thread is where all the talk and discussion and flame and spam on judging happens. people ask for their units to be voted on here, we vote here. Smiley keeps track of potential units and their votes in the first 2 posts. thos that make it get added to the stickied thread.

am i right ryn? if im not, add me to the confused list.

That's close enough for now. Once we start getting submissions that are new, move the votes to the unit's thread AFTER any of the judges says that it is under consideration. The committee probably shouldn't necro stuff like with the Channel Paralyzer. Sorry it isn't clear yet, voting here is only for old stuff.

Keep CAU Award Committee Panel/Standing Judge in your siggy, if you don't mind, so we know who the current judges are w/o referring to the thread. I'll have to add something like that too. Hopefully smiley'll catch it as she looks for votes. She'll probably skim.

If that's confusing, worry about it later and vote based on what smiley's got going in the first post. I meant to get her to have it done on the charter's first page, not this thread's first page. :rolleyes:

She doesn't get it either. Keep asking questions, I might update the HowTo:

Ironhorse got it pretty good. I'll edit my post about asking what you were doing. :D

No votes on the Channel Paralyzer until we get word from CP. All votes so far are to be ignored.

Votes:

Extarn:
I think it is a little bit powerful with the amount of damage it could deal in one turn, but not very bad at all. Just like the pyromancer, its based on location, just a little more loosely. It's difficult to use offensively and against ranged attackers with only 2 movement, but this can be remedied by attacking your own units (hoping they don't block!) along the way. It would still be nice if it had a regular move but only moved 2 when using its ability.

The problem is that I can't see it being useful in a serious match. There's simply too much luck involved and a lot of circumstance, too. All to get off a few attacks that would negate a heal. A good pryomancer might do better and have a number of other uses, specifically ones for offense. I'm really sitting on the fence because of this, but you'll get silver I'm sure regardless of my NO vote. :D
Someone has to say it like it's so. :p

The Magical Tree:
This is a great read. :cool:
I love the thought of a tree rolling down the battlefield toward your turtle formation and messing with the placement. The concept is just great.

The diagrams are great though they aren't consistent between where the tree falls and the unit-moving examples. Also, though it moves really slowly, it is sort of an inevitable stopping force. Its going to move things around and cause horrible trouble with LOS and strategic placement. Since there's no way to stop it from rolling other than destroying it (even though it must be manually moved every turn), I think it is very far on the overpowered side. Some casual method of stopping it (like putting two units in front of it whereas one would be rolled over) and possibly reducing it to 2 squares would make this into an awesome unit.

Blocking is annoying on a tree, too. Why would a tree block? If a sword or arrow can damage it from behind, why not the front?

Anyways, I'm going to give you a YES vote for concept regardless of balancing and ridiculousness among other factors. It's a little old to change now but it'd be worth a couple more votes at least. Besides, no one else is going to give you a yes. :rolleyes:
Again, somebody's got to go against the flow.

Last but not least (maybe),
Extendo Plague Mouse:
Turquoise certified! Who'd you bribe? :p
Not too original. Any good suggestions would probably make it exactly like the plague rats out there. You could give it a different name, take away the plauge ability, add some power, blocking, a little area of effect and end up with a pyromancer. :cool:
Seriously: Suggestions don't always make your unit better. You have to interface with them and make your own calls about it. And there's always people who suggest you start over with a new idea. I'm not usually like that, but I think it would be faster in this case.
Causing squares to be plagued is a mild annoyance. Plus the hp is too low as we see it to last for very long. It might be decent in the endgame because it isn't a very high priority, causes big damage, and can be protected better because of its range (how does that work, anyways? :confused:), but a frost golem or a poison wisp would still be better. My vote: NO. :(

[Duffman]

I'm not dissing you, I'm just saying.. you can't really knock me off. I was asking Cross to clear it up.

No, you weren't asking Cross to clear it up. You were questioning how you were going to judge it if you cant understand it and whining about the unit being long/complex. As someone who personally only makes long and complicated units which tend to be rather extreme I seriously doubt your ability to judge such units.

Not only that but Cross asked you to PM him any questions you had. He had to ask you to tell him what you were confused about. Instead of taking a bit more time maybe to read it or to ask him about it you just said "How am I supposed to vote on this unit". And if you don't know how you're going to vote and you're not trying to find out how you're going to vote you clearly aren't a capable judge.

It's not even hard to understand.

There is a provision that complaining is perfectly okay. But I'm just a panel judge. Kinks like this will hopefully work themselves out, if you'd care not to scratch each other's eyeballs out. :D
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You've been around longer and people have been challenging our right to form a committee. You've been around for a while; what do you think, Duffman?
Sometimes you can't avoid offending people. It's not a hobby or anything. But i do believe that anyone who spends as much time perfecting their units as CP or even me who wants their units judged to expect the judges to be capable of interpreting their unit. And if someone can't get that then they won't get their units judged (probably only me).

As for the whole committee. Sure there are things wrong with it but thats my opinion neh? I don't think there is any question about you guys having the right to make one. Of course you do. You've more right than anyone else based on intelligence and activity. I think the main problem with it is the whole democracy bs. I would've rather you, deleryn, to just do everything. As in: voting scheme, judges, criteria for voting and to make all the threads. That way if you got it wrong then it would be your fault and you would be prosecuted and you could change it if you felt the need to after hearing opinions. If you get it wrong but you don't fix it after popular demand then noone will take it serious/want to be a judge anyway so natural selection will destroy it which is fine. However if you got it all right and everyone but a few naysayers had faith in it then it'd survive for as long as you could pump interest into it.

You of course don't want the leading role cause you're probably gonna lose a lot of activity shortly. Hence why you had to do it democratically. Thats too bad. But it's not like it won't work.

[Cuathon]

i agree with duffy.

[shatterstar]

well, the fact is that we cant please all of the people all of the time. the last committee was accussed of being elitist and 'self-appointed' gods of CAU. this 1 for better or worse, is democratic. every single new judge will of course have a learning curve for the job. anyone who says different is a liar. im glad there are constructive naysayers since it gives us a path to improve. all I ask is to give this committee a chance to prove themselves on their own merit.

and hey its all for fun after all, so not get any tighty-whities in a knot. ;)

[Cross Punisher]

Ok so theres been lots of edits and changes so my question is I'm suppose to be judging like 3 units but am I suppose to do it like the old commitee where it's my vote and my explination or how del wants it where we actively discuss our thoughts as a group?

[deleryn]

Duffman's suggestion sounds sound. I'll take more initiative. Just letting things happen never made me happy anyways.

CP (and the rest of you maybe, including smiley): Go to the start of the thread (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28310) and look at the units posted there. Ignore the "potential bronze units" thing posted at the top, that's supposed to say "under consideration".

Take a post for voting. You can edit it in after any of your posts, really, since smiley gets to read all of this anyways. Just nothing too early. That gives me a great idea that I'll talk about later.

The voting itself isn't much different from the old committee. It's a simple yes or no. The color is so smiley can see it easier. Sometimes your voting might not be very complicated so there's not any length limit, but it is manditory for judges to post their reasoning along with their votes. F_A, smiley, and a few others are using bad form, then.

I'm going to write out some detailed instructions. Voting for morons. :bigsmile:
Not like I'm trying to be offensive or anything, it just happens. :cool:

Idea: Have a thread or something where judges votes are separated from everything else for the older units. I think this does well enough for now, like the old committee, but things are going to change a little if we ever get some submissions. I'll make a unit later today. :D

Edit: Judges- check your inboxes please. :)
I didn't give one to Toledo because he hasn't been on for a while, but I'd appreciate it if you'd all read the "New Committee Guide for Dummies vol-1"

[JesusCraig]

This is getting ridiculous. No one, including the judges knows how to vote, how to submit a unit or anything.

Why not create one thread for voting, each of the judges is given a free space at the beginning of the thread (so within the first 15 posts you have all 7 of the judges with a voting space). Subsequent you can either create another thread for discussion and submissions, or even leave them all in the same thread. Each of the judges would just edit their votes in, until they reach a predetermined number and then they would just begin the cycle by wiping out the first vote (after smiley sees them of course.) and continue by wiping out the oldest one each time.

Similar or exactly the same as currently, (it's so hard to tell since no one understands it) bronze silver and gold would be based on the number of people who voted yes for it. As such it would reflect the multitude of different playing styles and thought processes, as each of the judges likely weighs different characteristics more importantly, by merely using the volume of yes's you can correctly establish those units which are good from those which are great.

This way all the votes are easy to tally, the classification is clear between bronze silver and gold, and no additional system is necessary to decide if a unit is bronze worthy or gold worthy based on criteria.

Since Deleryn you seem to think the judges should vote in the judged units thread itself, you wouldn't need a discussion thread, merely the voting thread plus all the judged units threads.

This is just my take on how the committee should be done, it seems the simplest way but of course we all have our own ideas and goals of this committee.

[Duffman]

Similar or exactly the same as currently, (it's so hard to tell since no one understands it) bronze silver and gold would be based on the number of people who voted yes for it. As such it would reflect the multitude of different playing styles and thought processes, as each of the judges likely weighs different characteristics more importantly, by merely using the volume of yes's you can correctly establish those units which are good from those which are great.

This way all the votes are easy to tally, the classification is clear between bronze silver and gold, and no additional system is necessary to decide if a unit is bronze worthy or gold worthy based on criteria.


But thats the thing. If i believe a unit is good enough to deserve recognition but not good enough to be considered one of the best unit designs the only way to vote is to wait until i can cast a final vote and vote correspondingly to what the rest of the panel hasn't voted.

if you think of it in scalar terms. 100% grade. so < 50 is a NO and > 50 is a YES.
Judge 1: 51%
Judge 2: 59%
Judge 3: 58%
= Gold (168%)

Judge 1: 89%
Judge 2: 95%
Judge 3: 97%
= Gold (281%)

Judge 1: 78%
Judge 2: 68%
Judge 3: 45%
= Silver (191%)

You were part of the eariler commitees. How many times did you see people giving 'tentative' votes. It's foolish to think you can scale a unit to different quality groups based on a overal total Yes/No vote using one criteria considering there are only 7 voters.

[JesusCraig]

Your right. I concede the argument, it is necessary to have two seperate votes. However I stand by the reasoning given for silver and gold recognition, however make those the bronze and silver recognition, and then have seperate voting for the gold, only silver units would be allowed gold. (Since the three main judges are more permanent, its less likely that you will sway one of them who voted no under less stringent conditions to vote yes under more stringent conditions)

So basically, 5-6 yes votes with one or two people from the 3 main judges voting no, results in a bronze. Bronze votes cannot recieve gold consideration.
5-7 yes votes with none of the main judges voting no to a unit makes it silver. Silver units can recieve gold consideration.

Gold consideration requires a much more stringent criteria.

[Cross Punisher]

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you guys should just let me set this up so it won't fall apart anytime soon:)

P.S. Smiley in your charter thread thing you mispelled "congratulations"

[deleryn]

Sorry, but we're the committee isn't really taking suggestions right now. :p

Bronze no longer exists. That's a recent update. It was originally intended to qualify a unit as being good enough to attract all the judges attention by being posted in the thread. Silver and Gold are good enough.

Unfortunately, Smiley's not getting it. I don't think she's reading all of what I write to her. :rolleyes:

Instead, I pm to her the exact copy of the charter, so the spelling mistakes are really mine. It's changed since it was posted so check it out again if you haven't and are interested.

It's really quite simple. It's just that we've been through a few versions. Better alternatives have presented themselves while trying to go through the motions of the first few. The judges just don't know where to look to find out what to do yet. Plus, some of them only get on once per day and its usually when I'm not there.

I'm usually around in the mornings and evenings pacific time. A little more often because I'd like to see this work, but changing things more isn't going to help at all.

No % votes, the judges aren't smart enough for that. :cool:

I doubt anyone could do better without being on the whole day, Cross.
I just don't get why these "judges" don't ask any questions about being confused and expect me to fix stuff when I don't know what's broken. :dry:

[Smiley_Girl]

I thought I understood it! Sheesh what do you want me to do? :p

[deleryn]

I thought I understood it! Sheesh what do you want me to do? :p

Rev, now please. :D

[Cross Punisher]

I'm still not sure I like it if we're voting a unit for gold while it's being voted for silver. I mean I might think its good enough for silver but not gold but if it gets enough people that think it's good enough to be silver and say YES then it will end up gold anyway... or am I just misunderstanding something?

[Cross Punisher]

about the extarn it really is a good unit but there's no feasible way, that I can see, that a unit with a range of one with an attack that's blockable can have more than 2 recovery.

[deleryn]

All these get silver if they win. Then its a new vote for gold. Good question, CP. Maybe I have a competent judge. Somewhere. That was updated a while back and I don't know if you caught it or not.

Smiley listens to me! yay :D

Edit: After a unit has been accepted as a silver unit, the judges may convene to vote for an increase in its status. After a unit is awarded silver, the judges convene to vote for an upgrade to gold status.

well, that explains... wait a minute. That's not redundant! :mad:
wanna fix it, smiley?

[Cross Punisher]

In the event of a tie in the case of judge-created units?

EDIT: Didn't feel like double posting

Extarn - IDK I guess I'm waiting on a reply by FA

Magical Tree - NO
It's hard for me to enjoy the unit when you seem to change the mechanics of how it works from one way to another. First it occupies a space and falls coving 3 spaces in the direction it was facing with the space it was on becoming unoccupied, but later it seems that when it fall it never leaves the space it was on and so falls one square shorter of what you said it did earlier. It is way to disorganized, overly-complex, and cumbersome for my liking

Extendo Plague Mouse - IDKSo can this kill units? Seems almost too easy to infect a unit and stall turns until you can one hit kill it or just make a line across the board that the opponent must cross and become infected. Why is the damage doubled from the host to its victims?

The Guzzy - NOAn extreme version of trading one of your units for one of you're opponents. After one attack(it will have full recovery because it will have to move) it will have 50 power when it's done recovering kind of forcing your next more, and 50 power still let's you one shot a lot of things. But basically you just put this in the second row wait for it to be able to move and then hope the knight or dragon tyrant you're attacking doesn't block. A very unprofessional way of trying to balance a unit with 99 power.

The SBD - NO but I definately like it. Just too many extremes and ways to weaken it; isn't it enough you can kill it by walking around it and weaken it by attacking it? Does it really need the other stuff like "can only be healed by opponent" and "will lose somewhere between 3 and 20 HP per attack it makes. With such high recovery it will just like the other be used in a trading situation trying to go in and one shot something before it's killed.

[deleryn]

The "IDK" vote! This is what I was talking about when I said kinks work themselves out. :cool:
Except that this isn't a kink...

Edit: I'm going to change my Extarn vote to IDK. That's what I really think about it.

Anyways, cross raised a very good point: its 3 on 3 when judges submit units. Getting a silver certification is usually 5 yes votes (it was supposed to be a little harder than a majority, more like 3/4ths). That means there'd be room for one less disagreement in a judge's case because he can't vote. In gold its slightly easier because one less person is voting for it.

The way I see it, we have five options (tell me if you see more):
1. Make it stick with 5 yes votes. Judges should have a harder time getting their units in silver and slightly easier in gold.
2. Make it so judges can vote for their own units. A judge sees their own units with a "mother's eyes" and will forget about shortcomings, though.
3. Recruit temporary judges to vote for judge submitted units. This is annoying because... It just messes with stuff.
4. Have another judge sit out on voting for that unit. That brings us up to an odd number and it can be a simple 3 vote silver unit. This is slightly easier than 5 yes votes, however. Not the best option.
5. Abandon the committee. haha, jk guys.

[Cross Punisher]

I don't really think #2 will work

I offer you #6
Instead of a judge being able to judge their own unit they will automatically receive a NO as their own vote; judges ARE supposed to be above average designers anyway, so it should be a bit harder for a judge to get a unit voted in. :bad:

[deleryn]

That's basically what #1 is except that it doesn't say "NO" but they still need five Yes votes from other judges. Anyone in disagreement? It's going to be a while before everyone logs in. Besides, this option doesn't require a revision in the rules :cool:

Maybe we'll just change it if someone has a better idea.

[Smiley_Girl]

So has anyone seen Toledo? We might need to replace him with Cauthon

[ironhorse123]

Wow. I really don't care as long as the system works. :p

[Cuathon]

who the hell is Cauthon?

[Cross Punisher]

CAUthon duh:p

[Smiley_Girl]

Well I always pronounce it like coffin except cothin, :p

[Cuathon]

well, thats cause you spelled it wrong?
well, mine isnt spelled the same as the name its made after.
Cauthon is the original name from Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" series.
Cuathon is my name's spelling.

[Cross Punisher]

I just felt like posting that I will not follow the posted judging criteria of:
Originality/Creativity
Balance
Tactical Usage
Abuse Potential
Simplicity

I don't know if that's in that order or anything but I will now list my prefered criteria when looking at a unit:

Effort
Balance
Usage
Originality
Adaptability

That is all :cool:

EDIT: and I forgot to mention that I will not be awarding any category with any degree of points at all.

[deleryn]

I'll have to make an uber complicated unit to score big on CP's judging criteria. A change in the criteria wouldn't be so bad I guess. Its not my committee anymore I guess. :D

I'd like to submit my Voodoo Shaman (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27106) for judging by this committee. I don't really care to find out if the committee would be necroing it by judging in its thread, but I do hope it'll do well.

Btw, I'm not going for re-election so someone might just steal my spot in the panel. :*ph34r:

[Cross Punisher]

I'll have to make an uber complicated unit to score big on CP's judging criteria. complicity will get you no where :) .

[Cross Punisher]

I didn't think you could submit your own units del :p

EDIT - ThisSucksIJustWonAnEnchantressAndNowIThinkThey'reD oingTheWipe

EDIT 2 CauseIDidn'tFeelLikeTriplePosting - The only thing that strikes me wrong about the shaman is that the attack is blockable but the special ability of the attack is best used against units with high blocking...

[ironhorse123]

Could I get some comments on my unit, the Whef?

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28411

If I feel it's good enough once I've refined it, I'll submit it, but right now all I want are some comments. :)