Adhd

[Drunk With Hate]

So I made the poll, it's anonymous so you don't have to worry about anything. If you want though, speak up. I know for a fact I don't have ADHD, but I was diagnosed with it. If anything, I'm just simply lazy.

[Hellblazer]

There're two kids in my Boy Scout troop, twin brothers, who have ADHD. They have it pretty bad too.:dry:

[the gray]

I don't have it, but I take meds for it.

Better to be safe than sorry.

:)

[uniquinous]

meds can make you sorry too...


so dirka - how do you know you dont have it?

[Drunk With Hate]

I don't have it, but I take meds for it.

Better to be safe than sorry.

:)

I'm right with ya. Only my excuse is that it helps me sleep. Which at the end of the day, it actually does. I'm sure it helps other things though, and I'm sure it hurts some too. I take "Focalin."

so dirka - how do you know you dont have it?
'cause.. I just know. It isn't like I can't concentrate. I just don't like most subjects. Like how I get a 95% in physics but a 65% in math.

[uniquinous]

ah i see... well, i'm sure the 65% high school math and 95% high school physics knowledge is better then a highly qualified and educated doctor... :rolleyes:

i need to find the stats of kids diagnosed who won't let themselves believe they have it

alternatively, i need to find the stats on wrong diagnosis.

[Drunk With Hate]

ah i see... well, i'm sure the 65% high school math and 95% high school physics knowledge is better then a highly qualified and educated doctor... :rolleyes:

i need to find the stats of kids diagnosed who won't let themselves believe they have it

alternatively, i need to find the stats on wrong diagnosis.

He even said that overall he thinks that being lazy contributes to it alot. However, he said that the medication will even help with that. Sadly, it actually has. I'm not in bad shape or anything, but I get bored if I'm doing nother. Where as before I wouldn't get bored, I'd be happy because I wasn't doing a single thing!

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I don't have ADHD. They give you a test that basically asks in about 25 questions: "Do you have ADHD?" I got fed up with the dumb questions, I thought he wasn't watching, and checked the last 5 or 10 without even reading them. Evidently he was watching. :confused: Anyway, he could be right.. but.. I just doubt it. Find those stats :)

[uniquinous]

yeah ya know that test? it was to see if you could complete it. The test was actually taking the test. The fact that you didn't have the concentration to finish just 25 questions is pretty indicative...

[Drunk With Hate]

I don't think it was concentration though, I think it was just like.. wow this is dumb and I'm lazy. There is a fine line. Either way though, fun meds ;-).

[Cuathon]

i think i have, but i think that if i told anyone that they would say i was lazy. so i dont bother.

[The Cheat]

Who ever voted for that last choice is a dumbass.

[EatMine]

or is actually pretty smart or believes in neurodiversity or thinks polls are dumb or has 10 million other reasons for choosing this option, dumbass. Wasn't me.

I bet 90% of the forumers here won't finish this test (http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/tests/subtype_test1.php). Does that mean 90% of us have ADHD?

[Cuathon]

Type Probability

ADD Combined Type
Not Probable more info

ADD Inattentive Type
Highly Probable more info

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
May be possible more info

Limbic System Hyperactivity
Probable more info

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
Highly Probable more info

Temporal Lobe System
May be possible more info

[EatMine]

Cuathon, no more weed for you ;)

Seriously, i just posted a dumb test to counter uniq's point. If anyone after this needs a doctor, i am not responsible :huh:

[the gray]

Finished it.

http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/tests/subtype_results.php

[Cuathon]

dont worry, i dont believe it

[Anarchy_United]

or is actually pretty smart or believes in neurodiversity or thinks polls are dumb or has 10 million other reasons for choosing this option, dumbass. Wasn't me.

I bet 90% of the forumers here won't finish this test (http://www.amenclinic.com/ac/tests/subtype_test1.php). Does that mean 90% of us have ADHD?
I didn't even start it.

[bobdagangsta]

im adht free!

[uniquinous]

I don't think it was concentration though, I think it was just like.. wow this is dumb and I'm lazy. There is a fine line. Either way though, fun meds ;-).Laziness is not doing it. ADHD is doing it but not having the attention span to read the the questions. What do you think the "A" stands for? :huh: You're just calling your ADHD laziness. A rose by any other name... :rolleyes:

Seriously, i just posted a dumb test to counter uniq's point. If anyone after this needs a doctor, i am not responsible :huh:Counter my point? :huh:

Wait wait, you decided to compare a 50 question non-scientific unspecific psychologically-unrelated test from an online religion website, with a relevant tailored 25 question test presented by a doctor for a specific reason? Do you really think your test compares to mine in any manner as to counter my point? This isn't physics here, it was a 25 question "how do you feel" test. It probably took him just as long to circle fake answers then reading the questions and circling real ones.

How do you not find it hilarious that he didn't have the attention span to complete an ADHD questionare? :confused:

[Tama Drummer]

My brother has ADHD. I don't, but sometimes I take his meds.

[HoodedH-TDP]

My mates brother has it and hes always in trouble with the police and when he was younger done lots of crazy stuff.
Not that im saying ADHD does that, but did to him.

[Kreator]

I have ADHD, I take medication for it. The medication makes my appetite go down, yet I weigh 103 pounds. I don't have it bad, just enough to get pissed off about stupid things.

[EatMine]

uni..., i don't know anything about ADHD or appropriate tests. I just think a "how do you feel test" should actually be treated as what it is. And a "i don't feel like"-answer doesn't mean the bored kid needs chem to start feeling it.

[max2k106]

Patient: I heard on TV that there's a new medicine that can help people with ADHD. I listened to some of the symptoms of it and I think I have them.

Doctor: Well here, take this 25 question test while I go check my portfolio and call my pharmacist friends to see how much money I can make off of your doubt.

*Patient takes test, Doctor looks at test worriedly*

Doctor: I'm sorry to inform you that you have ADHD. But I have just the thing for you.

*Doctor scribbles on the prescription pad*

Doctor: Here, take this. I just bought 100 shares.Yes, the punchline is from The New Yorker.


Almost all cases of ADHD/ADD are a scam. Unless you have trouble completing a sentence because your mind wanders that much, you have nothing to worry about.

[Coffin Fedder]

I have ADHD, I take medication for it. The medication makes my appetite go down, yet I weigh 103 pounds. I don't have it bad, just enough to get pissed off about stupid things.

103 pounds may be some weight. Depends on how tall and big you are though. I'm 5'10-6'0 (haven't measured in awhile) 13 and only weigh 115 but I'm scrony as hell but one of the strongest kids in the school. I'm perfectly healthy even though I should be weighing 127. I'm all good.:)

[The Cheat]

Patient: I heard on TV that there's a new medicine that can help people with ADHD. I listened to some of the symptoms of it and I think I have them.

Doctor: Well here, take this 25 question test while I go check my portfolio and call my pharmacist friends to see how much money I can make off of your doubt.

*Patient takes test, Doctor looks at test worriedly*

Doctor: I'm sorry to inform you that you have ADHD. But I have just the thing for you.

*Doctor scribbles on the prescription pad*

Doctor: Here, take this. I just bought 100 shares.Yes, the punchline is from The New Yorker.


Almost all cases of ADHD/ADD are a scam. Unless you have trouble completing a sentence because your mind wanders that much, you have nothing to worry about.

Shut the f***up, you don't know what you are talking about.

[BigMan9878]

I don't have it, and don't take meds for it, i have a little brother thought that has it, and he does take meds for it.

[Office_Shredder]

I have to say, if you can't actually be bothered to read 25 questions that may have a direct bearing on the rest of your life, you need help

EDIT:

ADD Combined Type
May be possible more info

ADD Inattentive Type
Not Probable more info

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
Not Probable more info

Limbic System Hyperactivity
Not Probable more info

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
May be possible more info

Temporal Lobe System
Not Probable more info

[Serge]

Type Probability

ADD Combined Type
Not Probable more info

ADD Inattentive Type
Highly Probable more info

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
May be possible more info

Limbic System Hyperactivity
Probable more info

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
May be possible more info

Temporal Lobe System
Not Probable more info

I did manage to answer all 101 questions without losing focus though :P

I have trouble focusing on things that bore me, everything bores me.

I would never take medication if diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. I think it's something that if you want "fixed" you should do it yourself, not brainwash yourself with drugs.

[WindsOfTime]

yeah i also completed the test. im not sure how correct my answers are though.

[Jeffery]

Type Probability

ADD Combined Type
Highly Probable more info

ADD Inattentive Type
Not Probable more info

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
Highly Probable more info

Limbic System Hyperactivity
Highly Probable more info

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
Highly Probable more info

Temporal Lobe System
Highly Probable more info


Woot! I win I win!

[marklar2]

My brother has ADHD. I don't, but sometimes I take his meds.

I believe that's against the law. And nice test results Jeffery. >.>

[~SlayeR~]

I don't have ADHD and take Medication for it.

:rolleyes:

[bludhoundz]

I don't have ADHD and don't take medication

I have Not Probable on all of them.

I actually volunteered to do an MRI test to compare between those with ADD and those without (to study some kind of neural patterns when trying to solve puzzles or something), and they tested me to make sure I didn't have it. I ended up getting $100 for volunteering :D

[marklar2]

I don't have ADHD and take Medication for it.

:rolleyes:

You're lucky I don't fill your prescriptions. :*ph34r2:

[Wizzy`]

I have ADHD, I used to take meds for it, but it made me fat cause I was too lazy to do anything, and it made me hungry all the time. But now I don't take them, and I go crazy all the time, and I am semi-skinny. >.<

[Tama Drummer]

Question for people who are concidered to have ADHD... what do you take and how much?

Because some of you guys are saying how you don't take it, so I'm guessing it doesn't do that much for you then. My brother has to take 72 mg of concerta (form of ritalin with a time release thing) every day. If you take him off the stuff, he gets extremely hyper and can't focus on something for over 30 seconds.

[The Cheat]

I did manage to answer all 101 questions without losing focus though :P

I have trouble focusing on things that bore me, everything bores me.

I would never take medication if diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. I think it's something that if you want "fixed" you should do it yourself, not brainwash yourself with drugs.

Brainwashing? Shut the **** up. You sound like the piece of shit Tom Cruise.
Question for people who are concidered to have ADHD... what do you take and how much?

Because some of you guys are saying how you don't take it, so I'm guessing it doesn't do that much for you then. My brother has to take 72 mg of concerta (form of ritalin with a time release thing) every day. If you take him off the stuff, he gets extremely hyper and can't focus on something for over 30 seconds.

I take one pill once a day. Time release is good.

[Drunk With Hate]

Laziness is not doing it. ADHD is doing it but not having the attention span to read the the questions. What do you think the "A" stands for? :huh: You're just calling your ADHD laziness. A rose by any other name... :rolleyes:

No.. really, it has nothing to do with attention. I could have read all the questions and been like.. kay no.

[Ignition]

'cause.. I just know. It isn't like I can't concentrate. I just don't like most subjects. Like how I get a 95% in physics but a 65% in math.

I thought you where good with numbers though. And that was why codeing came easy to you...

And as I do not have ADHD I do have 2 other very seveir learning disabilities. Dyslexia(sp) and Disgraphia(sp)... By now I'm sure both of you know of this well. I can link you more detail if you want.

[Drunk With Hate]

I thought you where good with numbers though. And that was why codeing came easy to you...

And as I do not have ADHD I do have 2 other very seveir learning disabilities. Dyslexia(sp) and Disgraphia(sp)... By now I'm sure both of you know of this well. I can link you more detail if you want.

Exactly. It isn't that I'm bad at math. I'm lazy at things that do not interest me.

[Ignition]

I understand. And I cant find my link to that big speal I gave on my disability

[Pieface1337]

ADD Combined Type
May be possible

ADD Inattentive Type
Not Probable

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
May be possible

Limbic System Hyperactivity
May be possible

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
Probable

Temporal Lobe System
May be possible

[Tama Drummer]

Meh... took that test thing.

ADD Combined Type
Not Probable

ADD Inattentive Type
Highly Probable

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
Not Probable

Limbic System Hyperactivity
Not Probable

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
Not Probable

Temporal Lobe System
Not Probable


Edit:

I believe that's against the law.

:eek:

[Kreator]

ADD Combined Type
Probable

ADD Inattentive Type
Not Probable

Cingulate System Hyperactivity
Highly Probable

Limbic System Hyperactivity
Highly Probable

Basal Ganglia Hyperactivity
Highly Probable

Temporal Lobe System
Probable

[The Cheat]

What's wrong with who you are when you don't take the meds? If there is something wrong, fix it yourself. Scientologists are dumb, but taking meds for something that isn't a problem, or is something that you could fix yourself is dumber. -Serge


Not a problem huh? Sure.


I'll admit, there are some who can control it without the meds. I can't. So back off. There was no need to neg me you fool.

[Serge]

I would never take medication if diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. I think it's something that if you want "fixed" you should do it yourself, not brainwash yourself with drugs.Brainwashing? Shut the **** up. You sound like the piece of shit Tom Cruise.

So if a stupid person somewhat agrees with a point of view, that PoV is no longer valid?

I didn't mean to offend you, seriously, but it's my honest opinion. I've had this same discussion with one of the IRCers before, I'm know my stance is somewhat founded on ignorance, but all the people I've talked to who "have ADD" have never convinced me that I wasn't right.

I mean, if you have some kind of seriously debilitating problem, then I can understand taking meds for that. But taking meds because you can't sit still for a few minutes, or because you have trouble concentrating?

[The Cheat]

So if a stupid person somewhat agrees with a point of view, that PoV is no longer valid?

I didn't mean to offend you, seriously, but it's my honest opinion. I've had this same discussion with one of the IRCers before, I'm know my stance is somewhat founded on ignorance, but all the people I've talked to who "have ADD" have never convinced me that I wasn't right.

I mean, if you have some kind of seriously debilitating problem, then I can understand taking meds for that. But taking meds because you can't sit still for a few minutes, or because you have trouble concentrating?

Its a lot more then just having trouble concentrating and not being able to sit still. If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't speak.

Good day.

[Jeffery]

Actually, it seemed to me like you might have been off your meds..... ;)

[Blexican]

The one person i actually truely hate in this world that I have met has ADHD. Weve been in 2 fist fights.

[Serge]

Its a lot more then just having trouble concentrating and not being able to sit still. If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't speak.

Good day.
And if you're not going to add anything to this discussion other than "Shut the **** up you don't know me!" maybe you should avoid speaking as well.

[Blexican]

And if you're not going to add anything to this discussion other than "Shut the **** up you don't know me!" maybe you should avoid speaking as well.

<3

I hate you cheat and I always will. You are the worst human being I have ever witnessed. So im taking it you probably have ADHD.

[Wizzy`]

<3

I hate you cheat and I always will. You are the worst human being I have ever witnessed. So im taking it you probably have ADHD.

Hey, retard. What's wrong with ADHD? Someone at one point in your family had ADHD. So why dont you shut the ****up, it's not that bad.

[Blexican]

yo. don't call me a retard? The only person ive encountered with ADHD was an ass. So i was jokingly putting it towards the cheat. Calm down before you bust a blood vessel.

[Wizzy`]

yo. don't call me a retard? The only person ive encountered with ADHD was an ass. So i was jokingly putting it towards the cheat. Calm down before you bust a blood vessel.

Ok, so you met one person with it..so you turn prejudice towards others with it?

[Anarchy_United]

I've met a bunch of people with ADHD, one of best friends has ADHD, and to anyone who says ADD or ADHD don't exist, you can tell within 2 minutes of being around him whether or not he has had his meds.

We used to play poker a lot, and even on his meds it would still take him a while to decide whether or not to do someone, because he would keep on getting distracted. When he was off his meds, he would be wandering around my kitchen, eating cheese out of a teacup, and would take 5 minutes to decide whehter or not to call.

[Double]

I remember this kid in Elementary, who had ADD.


All I know is he had to have pills during lunch time.

Even when he didn't take them, I never noticed anything different.

[The Cheat]

And if you're not going to add anything to this discussion other than "Shut the **** up you don't know me!" maybe you should avoid speaking as well.

Done. :dry: :dry: :dry:
<3

I hate you cheat and I always will. You are the worst human being I have ever witnessed. So im taking it you probably have ADHD.


Then don't talk to me then.

[Drunk With Hate]

I'm pretty sure ADHD doesn't exist actually. Some people are just dumb.

[Wizzy`]

I'm pretty sure ADHD doesn't exist actually. Some people are just dumb.

Isn't it a scientificly proven disease..?

sickness
disease
disorder

whatever

[The Cheat]

I'm pretty sure ADHD doesn't exist actually. Some people are just dumb.

Fool. :dry: :dry: :dry:

[Drunk With Hate]

Isn't it a scientificly proven disease..?

sickness
disease
disorder

whatever

Not being able to pay attention isn't a disease. Just as being lazy isn't.

[Office_Shredder]

It's debatable. If there' a chemical imbalance that makes it difficult for you to concentrate, and do work, then certainly taking medicine to make you more productive can be useful, whether you want to call it a disorder or not.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Not being able to pay attention isn't a disease. Just as being lazy isn't.
So you're going to suddenly put down what thousands upon thousands of highly trained doctors and psychologists believe to be a disorder and merely classify it as "people being dumb"?

Jesus Christ, that's some ignorant thinking. But hey, I agree with you. Nobody has AIDS, they just have no immune system because they do. Oh, and, forget cancer. Free radicals and such don't actually exist. Lumps just form on their own.

Well guess what. Not being able to pay attention and being lazy are vastly different things. If you cannot force yourself to pay attention, if you've wracked every corner of your brain and done whatever you can to fix it on your own, and you still can't do it, then guess what? There's probably something in your brain that inhibits that.

Not everything in the world can be explained through "people being dumb" just because they disagree with you. Laziness is completely different. Laziness is the lack of willpower to do something because perhaps the rewards aren't great enough to justify you exerting yourself, or some other thing within you that makes it not worth it to do work. That's why laziness on its own isn't a disorder. You know what else isn't? Being an ignorant asshole.

What a terrible thread this is.

[The Cheat]

So you're going to suddenly put down what thousands upon thousands of highly trained doctors and psychologists believe to be a disorder and merely classify it as "people being dumb"?

Jesus Christ, that's some ignorant thinking. But hey, I agree with you. Nobody has AIDS, they just have no immune system because they do. Oh, and, forget cancer. Free radicals and such don't actually exist. Lumps just form on their own.

Well guess what. Not being able to pay attention and being lazy are vastly different things. If you cannot force yourself to pay attention, if you've wracked every corner of your brain and done whatever you can to fix it on your own, and you still can't do it, then guess what? There's probably something in your brain that inhibits that.

Not everything in the world can be explained through "people being dumb" just because they disagree with you. Laziness is completely different. Laziness is the lack of willpower to do something because perhaps the rewards aren't great enough to justify you exerting yourself, or some other thing within you that makes it not worth it to do work. That's why laziness on its own isn't a disorder. You know what else isn't? Being an ignorant asshole.

What a terrible thread this is.

Finally someone understands. Good job Jeh.

[uniquinous]

Agreed.

We are led to believe throughout all of our childhood and teenage lives that potential is what's really important. Mothers try to justify their children's bad grades and claim they are smart with phrases such as "he really has so much potential...".

The fact of the matter is, in the real world, potential doesn't mean crap. There's ability and inability. Either you can do it, or you can't. And if you can't, no one cares whether your dumb, disabled, have no attention span, or lazy - it's all the same outcome - you can't do it.

You can put whatever name or label you want on it to make yourself feel different then someone who gets to the same place via lack of intelligence, but at the end of the day, no one really cares.

In the real world, there's only ability.

[Blexican]

Then don't talk to me then.

Ive been trying.

Hey, retard. What's wrong with ADHD? Someone at one point in your family had ADHD. So why dont you shut the fuck up, it's not that bad.

and wizzy, When did I say every person with ADHD sucked? I was just adding the only person I ever met with adhd was always pissed and we ended getting in fights. And when I was just saying that to cheat because I hate him. You don't need to get all offended and saying the "F" word was very outta line.

[Duffman]

ADHD Cure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq6nkk9mIcQ

Recycling spree?

[Drunk With Hate]

So you're going to suddenly put down what thousands upon thousands of highly trained doctors and psychologists believe to be a disorder and merely classify it as "people being dumb"?

Jesus Christ, that's some ignorant thinking. But hey, I agree with you. Nobody has AIDS, they just have no immune system because they do. Oh, and, forget cancer. Free radicals and such don't actually exist. Lumps just form on their own.
AIDS and Cancer have proof. ADHD has none.

Well guess what. Not being able to pay attention and being lazy are vastly different things. If you cannot force yourself to pay attention, if you've wracked every corner of your brain and done whatever you can to fix it on your own, and you still can't do it, then guess what? There's probably something in your brain that inhibits that.
That would be a good excuse, wouldn't it.

Not everything in the world can be explained through "people being dumb" just because they disagree with you. Laziness is completely different. Laziness is the lack of willpower to do something because perhaps the rewards aren't great enough to justify you exerting yourself, or some other thing within you that makes it not worth it to do work. That's why laziness on its own isn't a disorder. You know what else isn't? Being an ignorant asshole.
I know the difference between being lazy and not being able to pay attention. Thing is, you can either argue that both are by choice or neither one is. Both are conditions of the mind.

[Blexican]

thats an ADD cure...

are ADHD and ADD the same?

[Duffman]

ADHD are the hyper ones, ADD are the lazy ones.

They looked pretty hyper to me ^_^...

[mushroom_girl]

I have problems concentrating or standing still sometimes, but I've decided that it's not serious enough for meds, and I just need to push myself. I have trouble sitting still most of the time. I usually need to be tapping my foot or doing something with my hands to concentrate, otherwise I have the tendency to totally space out on the corner of a chair or something.

Some people have it really bad. But not every person who has trouble concentrating needs meds, me being one of them.

ADD/ADHD has NOTHING to do with being lazy. Being lazy is a choice, not being able to concentrate isn't. If you aren't able to walk, it's not your choice. But if you just don't want to walk, then it IS your choice.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

AIDS and Cancer have proof. ADHD has none.Really? So accounts from those who suffer it and doctors and psychologists mean nothing? Wow! I guess all psychological disorders can be debunked by some kid who thinks he's more qualified to make judgments than a doctor with years of education in this field.
That would be a good excuse, wouldn't it.This is about the equivalent of saying that gravity is merely an excuse to say that God doesn't make things fall.

I know the difference between being lazy and not being able to pay attention. Thing is, you can either argue that both are by choice or neither one is. Both are conditions of the mind.That's quite the black-and-white view. I guess then apples and steaks must both be meat or fruits. They're both food. And who's to say we can't live on Mercury without altering anything? It's a planet. Oh, and I guess I should stick my head in a toilet and call it a drinking fountain.

[uniquinous]

my dog does that!

laziness and attention disorders can be very close. Heck dirka is PMing me at this moment claiming he refuses to read my PMs, but just wants to tell me that. It's not laziness, as he's actively responding to each one. It's attention problems as he can't actually read them :rolleyes:

[Duffman]

Really? So accounts from those who suffer it and doctors and psychologists mean nothing? Wow! I guess all psychological disorders can be debunked by some kid who thinks he's more qualified to make judgments than a doctor with years of education in this field.


To be fair, there are doctors with years of experience who also say ADHD is a fraud.

I'd have to say it's a disease but not one that is because of a bodily function. I'd say the kid has just been brought up in particular culture or style that the occurance of a certain variable, be it subliminal messages in adverts or too much corn syrup, is so much so that they have issues with paying attention.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

To be fair, there are doctors with years of experience who also say ADHD is a fraud.

I'd have to say it's a disease but not one that is because of a bodily function. I'd say the kid has just been brought up in particular culture or style that the occurance of a certain variable, be it subliminal messages in adverts or too much corn syrup, is so much so that they have issues with paying attention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD
It's a minority, but that minority thinks that it's still a psychological condition and doesn't merely "not exist at all." If there is a minority that thinks it's non-existant, then they are extremely few.

[bobdagangsta]

One of my friends from school has ADD, but yet is still hyper. There is also a crazy one with ADHT and has mono at the moment but he is still hyper as hell. I hear he is allergic to the pills so he does not take them. One of my other friends has ADHT and is perfectly normal. I am really not sure whether all the times people are told they have ADHT if they really do.

Also I hate how some people make ADD an excuse. There is one girl in a couple of my classes and she is a total shithead. She's been smokin when since she was like 12, now 15. She is the biggest crackhead I have ever seen and she gets fatter and fatter each year. And the accuse for getting Fs in all of her classes is because she has ADD. She never pays attention because she is sleepy and falls asleep but she blames it on ADD.

End my stories...

[Duffman]

But you see the error in saying he is wrong because fancy pants qualified doctors disagree with him when there are also fancy pants qualified doctors that are on the same page as him. Minority or not.

[Drunk With Hate]

Really? So accounts from those who suffer it and doctors and psychologists mean nothing? Wow! I guess all psychological disorders can be debunked by some kid who thinks he's more qualified to make judgments than a doctor with years of education in this field.
... You fail to read or something. It is a psychological disorder just the same as being lazy is. I don't see them fixing lazy people. They can fix it theirself. Our world just loves to medication up. Explain how someone with ADHD can pay attention to certain subjects? They choose what they like, my friend.

This is about the equivalent of saying that gravity is merely an excuse to say that God doesn't make things fall.
You've got that backwards. That is like saying God is an excuse that says Gravity doesn't make things fall.

That's quite the black-and-white view. I guess then apples and steaks must both be meat or fruits. They're both food. And who's to say we can't live on Mercury without altering anything? It's a planet. Oh, and I guess I should stick my head in a toilet and call it a drinking fountain.
If you said we live on a planet, then correct. Apples and steak are both food, yes. You do what you want with the toilet. You really fail to see the point. If you can fix ADHD with medication, then you can fix laziness with medication as well.



P.S. I completely agree with duffy. Only I wouldn't call it a disease, because that gives it merit.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

... You fail to read or something. It is a psychological disorder just the same as being lazy is. I don't see them fixing lazy people. They can fix it theirself. Our world just loves to medication up. Explain how someone with ADHD can pay attention to certain subjects? They choose what they like, my friend.Yes, that's a valid statement and totallly not a crude generalization.


You've got that backwards. That is like saying God is an excuse that says Gravity doesn't make things fall.It can be either way, actually. But enough semantics. The point is that it doesn't have to be an excuse. Some people actually do have a great deal wrong with them. Next post, "BUT IT IZ, LAWL"


If you said we live on a planet, then correct. Apples and steak are both food, yes. You do what you want with the toilet. You really fail to see the point. If you can fix ADHD with medication, then you can fix laziness with medication as well. Okay. Apples and fruit are foods. This makes them exactly the same in every single aspect. You really failed to read that post. You still haven't explained how laziness can be fixed with medication. You've just made a statement without backing it up.

Once again I call into focus your lack of qualification to judge these things and your lack of education related to this subject.

[Drunk With Hate]

Yes, that's a valid statement and totallly not a crude generalization.
Correct.

It can be either way, actually. But enough semantics. The point is that it doesn't have to be an excuse. Some people actually do have a great deal wrong with them. Next post, "BUT IT IZ, LAWL"
If you see my counterpoint, then why even post? The fact is there is no more evidence in favor of ADHD being a disease than there is for being lazy.

Okay. Apples and fruit are foods. This makes them exactly the same in every single aspect. You really failed to read that post. You still haven't explained how laziness can be fixed with medication. You've just made a statement without backing it up.
You just proved my point. You can't fix lazy. If you give the kid a ton of meds that makes him have too much energy, sure his behavior will change. It is the same with ADHD. I never said they are exactly the same in all aspects, I said you have to back them the same way. As all food ends up in the same place.

Once again I call into focus your lack of qualification to judge these things and your lack of education related to this subject.
I call into focus the same thing about you. Only difference is that I am openly saying that this is my opinion and others do agree.

[uniquinous]

Once again I call into focus your lack of qualification to judge these things and your lack of education related to this subject.When has dirka ever needed qualification or education to let words spew forth anyway? Diarhea of the mouth comes naturally to him.

In the end this thread is pretty much dirka saying "the doctors are wrong I'm not REALLY messed up, I'm just LAZY, yeah... that's it... oh something shiny!" But in the end, it's all the same - stupidity, laziness, and attention disorders all wind up with the same result. He can try to fool himself all he wants - go on, let him - it doesn't much matter.

[Drunk With Hate]

When has dirka ever needed qualification or education to let words spew forth anyway? Diarhea of the mouth comes naturally to him.

In the end this thread is pretty much dirka saying "the doctors are wrong I'm not REALLY messed up, I'm just LAZY, yeah... that's it... oh something shiny!" But in the end, it's all the same - stupidity, laziness, and attention disorders all wind up with the same result. He can try to fool himself all he wants - go on, let him - it doesn't much matter.

Since when has anybody here been qualified for almost anything semi-advanced that is talked about? Very few are. The fact is that many doctors agree with me, many do not. Grow some balls uniq. This is just like the last time you couldn't admit my point.

[uniquinous]

most don't, actually. If you're problem is just laziness, why do the meds work for you? Why do you need to score aderol off friends?

Why does me agreeing with you take balls? :huh: If you're trying to appeal to some testosterone driven pride, I think you will find yourself poorly lacking in accomplishing your task.

[Drunk With Hate]

most don't, actually. If you're problem is just laziness, why do the meds work for you? Why do you need to score aderol off friends?
As I said. Give a lazy kid some caffeine and he changes. It is pretty simple to change behavior. I can concentrate with or without the meds. With them I just don't see drifting off into space as productive. Makes me care a little bit.

Why does me agreeing with you take balls? :huh: If you're trying to appeal to some testosterone driven pride, I think you will find yourself poorly lacking in accomplishing your task.
Admitting you can agree with me takes balls. You denouce everthing I say.

[uniquinous]

not everything

>.>

man you set me up for that one...

[Drunk With Hate]

not everything

>.>

man you set me up for that one...

Then what do you agree on?

[uniquinous]

Well if I agree that we never agree, you're stuck, aren't you? ;)

[Drunk With Hate]

Well if I agree that we never agree, you're stuck, aren't you? ;)

Semantically, yes.

[Tama Drummer]

I'd have to say it's a disease but not one that is because of a bodily function. I'd say the kid has just been brought up in particular culture or style that the occurance of a certain variable, be it subliminal messages in adverts or too much corn syrup, is so much so that they have issues with paying attention.

My brother's had ADHD since as long as I can remember... he's needed to be on the meds for as long as I can remember too...

[Tama Drummer]

Being lazy is a choice, not being able to concentrate isn't.

Meh, I don't think I've chosen to be lazy... it just sort of happened. And now I'm too lazy to try and correct it.

[uniquinous]

Semantically, yes.

good, then we agree. :)

[Drunk With Hate]

good, then we agree. :)

Never.

[max2k106]

Isn't it a scientificly proven disease..?

sickness
disease
disorder

whatever

Wasn't it "scientifically proven" by big tobaco companies that cigarettes weren't addictive?

[Drunk With Hate]

Wasn't it "scientifically proven" by big tobaco companies that cigarettes weren't addictive?

Thank you!!

[uniquinous]

Wasn't it "scientifically proven" by big tobaco companies that cigarettes weren't addictive?

so you're saying the medical community as a whole is really trying to get kids on their drugs and cigs? :confused:

[max2k106]

so you're saying the medical community as a whole is really trying to get kids on their drugs and cigs? :confused:

They're making money off of it, why not?

It may sound a little off, but you can't possibly believe doctors would be glad if they didn't have any patients. They would get no business and they wouldn't have anything to live off of. Doctors need injuries and illnesses to profit, as do pharmacists.

[Drunk With Hate]

so you're saying the medical community as a whole is really trying to get kids on their drugs and cigs? :confused:

Uniq. Who gains potiental hundreds of thousands from one kid getting addicted to cigs? Both big tobacco and the medical community.

[max2k106]

Uniq. Who gains potiental hundreds of thousands from one kid getting addicted to cigs? Both big tobacco and the medical community.

Okay, tobacco companies don't make hundreds of thousands off of one kid, but they do make a lot.

[Drunk With Hate]

Okay, tobacco companies don't make hundreds of thousands off of one kid, but they do make a lot.

I might have exaggerated that a little bit. :bigsmile:

[Drunk With Hate]

Okay. I will admit that this so called ADHD could be fixed with meds. I won't admit that ADHD is anything more than something in the ranks of being lazy.

[uniquinous]

if that's your point then i think we've been in agreement. that doesn't make lazy kids any more productive tho

[Tama Drummer]

I won't admit that ADHD is anything more than something in the ranks of being lazy.

Believe me... my brother is not just lazy. He'll freak out without his meds. Of course, compared to the average person who "has ADHD," his case is much more severe.

[The Cheat]

Agreed.

We are led to believe throughout all of our childhood and teenage lives that potential is what's really important. Mothers try to justify their children's bad grades and claim they are smart with phrases such as "he really has so much potential...".

The fact of the matter is, in the real world, potential doesn't mean crap. There's ability and inability. Either you can do it, or you can't. And if you can't, no one cares whether your dumb, disabled, have no attention span, or lazy - it's all the same outcome - you can't do it.

You can put whatever name or label you want on it to make yourself feel different then someone who gets to the same place via lack of intelligence, but at the end of the day, no one really cares.


In the real world, there's only ability.

Sad but true.
ADHD Cure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq6nkk9mIcQ

Recycling spree?

not funny. :dry: :dry: :dry:
When has dirka ever needed qualification or education to let words spew forth anyway? Diarhea of the mouth comes naturally to him.

In the end this thread is pretty much dirka saying "the doctors are wrong I'm not REALLY messed up, I'm just LAZY, yeah... that's it... oh something shiny!" But in the end, it's all the same - stupidity, laziness, and attention disorders all wind up with the same result. He can try to fool himself all he wants - go on, let him - it doesn't much matter.

Yep. That is why I hate DD so much.
Okay. I will admit that this so called ADHD could be fixed with meds. I won't admit that ADHD is anything more than something in the ranks of being lazy.

Wow.....you are so full of it.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Okay. I will admit that this so called ADHD could be fixed with meds. I won't admit that ADHD is anything more than something in the ranks of being lazy.
Okay then. That's... all I need to know. But hey. The common cold and anthrax are in the same rank too, so who cares?

[Drunk With Hate]

Okay then. That's... all I need to know. But hey. The common cold and anthrax are in the same rank too, so who cares?

Wrong.

Wow.....you are so full of it.

Why bother posting?

[Office_Shredder]

Wrong

Wrong

[Jeffery]

Wrong.Wrong
But do two wrongs really make a right? (although, 3 lefts DO make a right. ;) )

[uniquinous]

dirka wrong is usually about right, so... in this case i'd say yes...

[The Cheat]

dirka wrong is usually about right, so... in this case i'd say yes...

Wrong.

[The Coder]

Man. I have really bad ADHD... Only high doses of adderol work. And I don't like taking that much adderol.

[The Cheat]

Man. I have really bad ADHD... Only high doses of adderol work. And I don't like taking that much adderol.

I don't have a bad case of it.....at least not anymore. It gets better to control as you age.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Wrong.
Well, seeing as you provided a statement without any backup whatsoever, I think I'll just use O_S's word's here.
Wrong
And seeing as you've been forced into this corner... yeah, you've just been
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5035/ownedkt2.jpg
Have a nice day.

[Drunk With Hate]

Wrong

So you think Anthrax is the same as ADHD? I'm pretty right. It definitly is not.

Well, seeing as you provided a statement without any backup whatsoever, I think I'll just use O_S's word's here.

And seeing as you've been forced into this corner...[/IMG]
Have a nice day.
... So you believe Anthrax is the same as ADHD? Do I even need to defend my case? You're an idiot.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

So you think Anthrax is the same as ADHD? I'm pretty right. It definitly is not.


... So you believe Anthrax is the same as ADHD? Do I even need to defend my case? You're an idiot.

Well, dirka, your ad hominem tactics may have worked some time ago, but now, they are worthless. I never said anthrax was the same as ADHD. You missed the point yet again. You said laziness and ADHD were in the same rank, and I said that anthrax and the common cold were in the same rank. This is to show that just because two things are "in the same rank," they can still be quite different. I don't know where you got the idea that I thought anthrax was the same as ADHD.

[Drunk With Hate]

Well, dirka, your ad hominem tactics may have worked some time ago, but now, they are worthless. I never said anthrax was the same as ADHD. You missed the point yet again. You said laziness and ADHD were in the same rank, and I said that anthrax and the common cold were in the same rank. This is to show that just because two things are "in the same rank," they can still be quite different. I don't know where you got the idea that I thought anthrax was the same as ADHD.

Jehuty, what you fail to realize is that many things in the same rank are very different. I don't care about those things. Being lazy and ADHD are very similar. Often confused for eachother. While anthrax and the cold are not close. They are not in the same rank at all actually.

[Jeffery]

Jehuty, what you fail to realize is that many things in the same rank are very different. I don't care about those things. Being lazy and ADHD are very similar. Often confused for eachother. While anthrax and the cold are not close. They are not in the same rank at all actually.
The difference between someone who is lazy and someone with ADHD is that the lazy person is making a choice to be a dumbass. The person with ADHD often wants to improve themselves, but are unable to without help.

And Anthrax and the common cold are in the same ranks. Both are medical inflictions that people catch.

[Drunk With Hate]

The difference between someone who is lazy and someone with ADHD is that the lazy person is making a choice to be a dumbass. The person with ADHD often wants to improve themselves, but are unable to without help.
So you're saying lazy people don't want to improve? Truly lazy people don't want to improve? Back that statement up. When I am lazy, I want to improve.

And Anthrax and the common cold are in the same ranks. Both are medical inflictions that people catch.
Anthrax is for terrorists.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Jehuty, what you fail to realize is that many things in the same rank are very different. I don't care about those things. Being lazy and ADHD are very similar. Often confused for eachother. While anthrax and the cold are not close. They are not in the same rank at all actually.
Well well, it seems that while I was eating dinner, you fell into another trap. It's a shame you didn't have Admiral Akbar to tell you, "It's a trap!" But unfortunately for me, I didn't get the chance to spring it on you. Jeffery, however, did.
So you're saying lazy people don't want to improve? Truly lazy people don't want to improve? Back that statement up. When I am lazy, I want to improve. And yet you were diagnosed with ADHD. Funny world, ain't it?

[Jeffery]

So you're saying lazy people don't want to improve? Truly lazy people don't want to improve? Back that statement up. When I am lazy, I want to improve.


Anthrax is for terrorists.
No you don;t. If you WANTED to improve, you woudl do so. You choose to be lazy. You make a choice to not do things, as opposed to doing them. The choice is an active decision you make, to take the "easy" way out and not do what needs done to improve yourself.
Just saying "Gee I wish I was better" is not actually wanting to be better. TRYING to be better is.

Anthrax is a naturally occuring disease. The common cold is a naturally occuring disease. Gee, nothing alike, eh?

[Drunk With Hate]

No you don;t. If you WANTED to improve, you woudl do so. You choose to be lazy. You make a choice to not do things, as opposed to doing them. The choice is an active decision you make, to take the "easy" way out and not do what needs done to improve yourself.
Just saying "Gee I wish I was better" is not actually wanting to be better. TRYING to be better is.
and if I truly have ADHD, then I can improve at will. I have in experience. When I'm being lazy, I can improve at will.

Anthrax is a naturally occuring disease.

for terrorists

[Drunk With Hate]

And yet you were diagnosed with ADHD. Funny world, ain't it?

What does concentration have to do with not wanting to get up off your ass?

[Jeffery]

and if I truly have ADHD, then I can improve at will. I have in experience. When I'm being lazy, I can improve at will.



for terrorists
But if you are actually doing things o improve, then you are not being lazy. If you are able to function without medications just fine, then you probably do not have ADHD. Whereas kids who DO have it often need the medication of intervention in order to be able to function at a somewhat normal level.
Of course, there is still the problem of ADHD being over diagnosed.... But that is another topic you DON'T want to get me on.

As for anthrax, you better stop eating all terrorists immediately.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

and if I truly have ADHD, then I can improve at will. I have in experience. When I'm being lazy, I can improve at will. You're switching your stories. First you say that you can't improve being lazy, now you say you can. First you say that you don't have ADHD, and yet you've improved it in experience without having it... somehow. Well, which is it?

[Drunk With Hate]

You're switching your stories. First you say that you can't improve being lazy, now you say you can. First you say that you don't have ADHD, and yet you've improved it in experience without having it... somehow. Well, which is it?

That is my point, genius. If you call daydreaming a disease, then I can cure a disease in seconds.

[Drunk With Hate]

But if you are actually doing things o improve, then you are not being lazy. If you are able to function without medications just fine, then you probably do not have ADHD. Whereas kids who DO have it often need the medication of intervention in order to be able to function at a somewhat normal level.
Of course, there is still the problem of ADHD being over diagnosed.... But that is another topic you DON'T want to get me on.
So if you're thinking about getting off your ass, then you are no longer lazy?

As for anthrax, you better stop eating all terrorists immediately.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

That is my point, genius. If you call daydreaming a disease, then I can cure a disease in seconds.
So... you're saying that you can cure a disease you don't have in seconds. You're a goddamned miracle of science.

[Jeffery]

That is my point, genius. If you call daydreaming a disease, then I can cure a disease in seconds.
ADHD is NOT daydreaming.

[Jeffery]

So if you're thinking about getting off your ass, then you are no longer lazy?
No, if you GET off your ass and do something that needs doing, then you are no longer being lazy. If all you do is sit there and think about doing stuff, but never get around to it, then you are being lazy.

The problem with people who truyly have ADHD is that no matter how much they TRY and do what needs doing, they just can;t get it done.

[Drunk With Hate]

So... you're saying that you can cure a disease you don't have in seconds. You're a goddamned miracle of science.

... my point is that I don't have it, because if I did I would be curing it and regetting it every 2 seconds.

ADHD is NOT daydreaming.

Yes it is... wandering attention..

[Drunk With Hate]

No, if you GET off your ass and do something that needs doing, then you are no longer being lazy. If all you do is sit there and think about doing stuff, but never get around to it, then you are being lazy.

The problem with people who truyly have ADHD is that no matter how much they TRY and do what needs doing, they just can;t get it done.

Then I don't have ADHD. Doc seems to think so though.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

... my point is that I don't have it, because if I did I would be curing it and regetting it every 2 seconds.



Yes it is... wandering attention..
Your point is that you don't have a disease? Then what was that crap about said disease not existing?

Yeah, I suppose pnumonia is really just the sniffles.

[Drunk With Hate]

Your point is that you don't have a disease? Then what was that crap about said disease not existing?

Yeah, I suppose pnumonia is really just the sniffles.

The crap about it not existing is that I was told I have the disease. If I truly have it, then it does not exist. It is just people being lazy.

[The Cheat]

No, if you GET off your ass and do something that needs doing, then you are no longer being lazy. If all you do is sit there and think about doing stuff, but never get around to it, then you are being lazy.

The problem with people who truyly have ADHD is that no matter how much they TRY and do what needs doing, they just can;t get it done.

Very very true.


DD....what do you have against ADHD......you seem bent on destroying it.....


must......not.....say....anything.....negative....

[Jehutyv.2.0]

The crap about it not existing is that I was told I have the disease. If I truly have it, then it does not exist. It is just people being lazy.
Oh, is that all? Well, then you were misdiagnosed. But funnily enough, I seem to remember this post...
I'm pretty sure ADHD doesn't exist actually. Some people are just dumb.
You have fallen upon your sword.

[Drunk With Hate]

Very very true.


DD....what do you have against ADHD......you seem bent on destroying it.....


must......not.....say....anything.....negative....

Don't post, you don't understand what is going on.

Oh, is that all? Well, then you were misdiagnosed. But funnily enough, I seem to remember this post...

You have fallen upon your sword.

No.. that is exactly my point. Some people are just lazy.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Don't post, you don't understand what is going on.



No.. that is exactly my point. Some people are just lazy.
Right. But to say the disease doesn't exist at all is ridiculous. I repeat, you have fallen on your sword.

[Drunk With Hate]

Right. But to say the disease doesn't exist at all is ridiculous. I repeat, you have fallen on your sword.

... As I said before, if I have ADHD, then it does not exist. The docs seem to think I have it. Have not fallen on any sword. That was my point and case.

[Jeffery]

Yes. And that gets into the overdiagnosis of ADHD in the modern times. Docotrs want to prescribe as many pills as they can to kids. Start em young, hook em for life.

Seriously, everytime I turn around there are a dozen new drugs to "solve" everything under the sun.

Got gas? Take a pill once a day, and no more gas!
Got a headache? Take a pill once a day, and have fewer headaches!
Wanna sleep around? Take a pill once a day, and only get pregnant when you get drunk and forget to take it!

There seems to be a dozen pills needed just to wake up, and two dozen needed to go back to sleep.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

... As I said before, if I have ADHD, then it does not exist. The docs seem to think I have it. Have not fallen on any sword. That was my point and case.
Now you're just grasping for straws, trying to turn it around so that the outcome was your point. And you still have not explained this post.
I'm pretty sure ADHD doesn't exist actually. Some people are just dumb.
You can't admit that this post was wrong. And it is, because even if you DO have ADHD, then you must have a very mild case, one that can be overcome by will. But it is very close-minded of you to think that your case is mirrored in every other case in the universe. Some people experience it moreso than others.

[Drunk With Hate]

Now you're just grasping for straws, trying to turn it around so that the outcome was your point. And you still have not explained this post.
No.. maybe you're just too dull. The outcome is very clear. Either what Jeffery just said is correct or ADHD does not exist.

You can't admit that this post was wrong. And it is, because even if you DO have ADHD, then you must have a very mild case, one that can be overcome by will. But it is very close-minded of you to think that your case is mirrored in every other case in the universe. Some people experience it moreso than others.
Jehuty. If I told you that you hade Llama Fever and that it was because your face was red but your face was not red, and not only that but at will you can make your face turn red, what would you conclude? I don't have ADHD and ADHD does not exist. Some people can't concentrate, fine. ADHD is an excuse to amp up kids, not a disease.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

No.. maybe you're just too dull. The outcome is very clear. Either what Jeffery just said is correct or ADHD does not exist. Keep grasping. You'll get some in your hand eventually.
Jehuty. If I told you that you hade Llama Fever and that it was because your face was red but your face was not red, and not only that but at will you can make your face turn red, what would you conclude? I don't have ADHD and ADHD does not exist. Some people can't concentrate, fine. ADHD is an excuse to amp up kids, not a disease.Well, let's see. I'd conclude that, if there were several million other cases of this fever spread throughout the world, then I'd say that either A: My face IS a bit red, so I may just have it a little, or B: They've made a mistake, and I don't have it. But never would I even dare to say that the entire disease is a hoax, just because one doctor got it wrong. That would be stupid and close-minded. But that's not you, is it?

[Jeffery]

and ADHD does not exist. Some people can't concentrate, fine. ADHD is an excuse to amp up kids, not a disease.

Except that it does exist, and in many cases can be directly linked to a chemical imbalance in the brain which can be scientifically measured.

I do admit ADHD is overdiagnosed, and usually by those who don;t have the training to perform the tests needed to track it scientifically. But ADHD does exist, and there is valid medical research behind it.

So please, you can say you don;t have it all you want. I will even agree with you when you say parents and schools overdiagnose kids with it all the time. But please stop claiming it simply does not exist based upon your particular case.

Using your own logic: I say women exist. But since you are not a woman, obviously women don;t exist.
Just because you aren;t a woman does not mean women don;t exist. The same with ADHD. Just because you don;t have it does notmean it does not exist.

And yes, even those WITH ADHD don;t always need pharmaceutical intervention to get past it. here are many non-drug regimens that can help a kid learn to get around it.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Case closed.

[uniquinous]

this is just dirka trying to tell himself he's not a tard. let's move past this thread, please? sorry for the unP.C.ness

[The Cheat]

Don't post, you don't understand what is going on.



No.. that is exactly my point. Some people are just lazy.

I don't know what's going on? I have had ADHD since 2nd grade. I live with it everyday of every second. While you may think its not real, i assure you it is.

So don't talk down to me you asshole.
... As I said before, if I have ADHD, then it does not exist. The docs seem to think I have it. Have not fallen on any sword. That was my point and case.

So be having it it does not exist? Come on now......
Except that it does exist, and in many cases can be directly linked to a chemical imbalance in the brain which can be scientifically measured.

I do admit ADHD is overdiagnosed, and usually by those who don;t have the training to perform the tests needed to track it scientifically. But ADHD does exist, and there is valid medical research behind it.

So please, you can say you don;t have it all you want. I will even agree with you when you say parents and schools overdiagnose kids with it all the time. But please stop claiming it simply does not exist based upon your particular case.

Using your own logic: I say women exist. But since you are not a woman, obviously women don;t exist.
Just because you aren;t a woman does not mean women don;t exist. The same with ADHD. Just because you don;t have it does notmean it does not exist.

And yes, even those WITH ADHD don;t always need pharmaceutical intervention to get past it. here are many non-drug regimens that can help a kid learn to get around it.

All Jeff says here is true.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

Cheat, it's over. We've already won. Now you're just beating a dead horse.

[uniquinous]

ya know sometimes people just need a good dead-horse beating...

[The Cheat]

this is just dirka trying to tell himself he's not a tard. let's move past this thread, please? sorry for the unP.C.ness

Soon....very soon.

Cheat, it's over. We've already won. Now you're just beating a dead horse.

No....DD must be made to suffer for his ignorant views.

I'm sorry this is a topic that REALLY gets under my skin.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

ya know sometimes people just need a good dead-horse beating...
What I fear will happen is that this horse'll snap back to life... let the dead lie.

[uniquinous]

it's ok the cheat - dirka's tried to prove i dont exist either ;)

[The Cheat]

it's ok the cheat - dirka's tried to prove i dont exist either ;)

How did he try and do that?

[Kyir]

Whar're we talking about again?

I want a Bacon-cheese burger...

mmm.

Hey, a cow!

[The Cheat]

Whar're we talking about again?

I want a Bacon-cheese burger...

mmm.

Hey, a cow!

Not Funny.:dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry:

[Office_Shredder]

ADHD is fake

stir the controversy! *evil cackle* *pulls out black iron pot, and begins stirring with wooden spoon. A pinch of bat flesh, a dash of powdered spider eye, and *poof!* Perfect!

For some reason I completely imagine people like dirka hunched over a simmering pot of controversy, thinking how best to fan the flames. It always helps that they become female in the process, with green skin.

[Tama Drummer]

Reading some more posts on this thread... maybe I do have ADD?
I'm lazy all the time, but I don't choose to be. Like last night, I needed to do german work and attempt to read an entire book, since I could never get myself to do it before and there was a test coming up.

Well, I could get myself to do either. I still need to do the german work, and I still haven't been able to force myself to do it.


So if being lazy and not really be able to help that fact that your lazy means I have ADD, then yea, I guess I have ADD. Meh. But I can easily do things I enjoy with no problem.

[Double]

Not Funny.:dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry: :dry:

You abuse the priveledge of using smileys.
; )

[The Cheat]

You abuse the priveledge of using smileys.
; )

Nope. :dry: :dry: :dry:

[Drunk With Hate]

Except that it does exist, and in many cases can be directly linked to a chemical imbalance in the brain which can be scientifically measured.

I do admit ADHD is overdiagnosed, and usually by those who don;t have the training to perform the tests needed to track it scientifically. But ADHD does exist, and there is valid medical research behind it.

So please, you can say you don;t have it all you want. I will even agree with you when you say parents and schools overdiagnose kids with it all the time. But please stop claiming it simply does not exist based upon your particular case.

Using your own logic: I say women exist. But since you are not a woman, obviously women don;t exist.
Just because you aren;t a woman does not mean women don;t exist. The same with ADHD. Just because you don;t have it does notmean it does not exist.

And yes, even those WITH ADHD don;t always need pharmaceutical intervention to get past it. here are many non-drug regimens that can help a kid learn to get around it.

My point wasn't that it didn't exist. My point is that uniq was saying that if a doctor said I had it, that was the end all of everything and I definitly had it. Just had to prove that is not the case. If it exists or not, I won't go into.

No....DD must be made to suffer for his ignorant views.

I'm sorry this is a topic that REALLY gets under my skin.

and people like you that are truly just dumb, but get diagnosed with ADHD, just have an excuse. STFU

it's ok the cheat - dirka's tried to prove i dont exist either ;)

I could.

[uniquinous]

How did he try and do that?

Right THR

btw, I've never said a doctor is always right - i just think, on average, i'd rather trust a certified doctor's medical knowledge over a 16 year old who gets 63% in math and wants to tell himself he's not a tard.

[Jehutyv.2.0]

My point wasn't that it didn't exist. My point is that uniq was saying that if a doctor said I had it, that was the end all of everything and I definitly had it. Just had to prove that is not the case. If it exists or not, I won't go into.
Hmm. That's not what this post says.
I'm pretty sure ADHD doesn't exist actually. Some people are just dumb.
kthxbai

[The Cheat]

Why do you argue to much DD? Why? Do you find joy in pissing people off?

One day our feud must be solved.....

[Double]

It doesn't piss people off when he argues with them.

They just have two seperate opinions that they settle.



;)

[Drunk With Hate]

Right THR

btw, I've never said a doctor is always right - i just think, on average, i'd rather trust a certified doctor's medical knowledge over a 16 year old who gets 63% in math and wants to tell himself he's not a tard.
... so now you say I'm a retard, but I also have ADHD? What one is it?

Hmm. That's not what this post says.

kthxbai
That is exactly what it says, buddy. Just inversely. I was simply proving uniq wrong, that is all.



and TC, you're a moron, that is all.

[MokoToko]

I have ADD is tama does, right as we speak I have a paper to write but I can't get myself to do it. I think I'm just a loser is all.

[The Cheat]

... so now you say I'm a retard, but I also have ADHD? What one is it?


That is exactly what it says, buddy. Just inversely. I was simply proving uniq wrong, that is all.



and TC, you're a moron, that is all.

I am the moron you say?


Why do you create threads that you KNOW will get the masses upset? Why do you ask for trouble? Why must you be such an asshole?

[uniquinous]

Yes dirka, everyone in this thread is wrong except you, as are all the doctors :rolleyes:

sorry, i didn't actually mean retard. I used "tard" in the sense that something is messed up inside your head, and you'd rather claim it's laziness instead of the inability to produce an attention span that lasts longer then "oh look something shiny". At the end of the day, you can call it what you want - it's still the same thing, and the meds for ADHD work really well for you. This suggests that either 1) they are also "anti-lazy pills" or 2) you have ADHD but won't admit it to yourself. Either way, the end result is exactly the same: inability to perform.

So you can continue downgrading your inability, but it's really only making you look like a fool and pissing people off who have the personal responsibility to come to terms with their problem. They've accomplished that - you haven't.

[Gray Officer]

A lot of people also don't realise they have it. They think its the youth or they like it.