Things on the forums that should be fix.... But still will not.

[Buster]

1) We all know that recently TAO has had a HUGE problem with bots... More then 30% of the members list would seem to be a bot..

However now the bots are posting, and its more then just links...

The other day there was a "Britney spears, sex-tapes exposed"... There were 3 images all showning more then what needs be to shown on TAO...

If we look at the "advertising" page on TAO we see:

Let us help you achieve your marketing goals!

We hope the following information will be useful when considering Tactics Arena Online for helping your Company achieve its marketing objectives and goals.

Our targeted demographics include PC & Console gamers, Flash designers/developers, and general gaming enthusiasts. Our core viewers are primarily North American based males ranging from the age of 16 to 35. We offer advertisers solutions on our user friendly site designed with premium advertisement placement and channel specific advertising that matches an advertiser's targeted demographic with the user profile.

Our core viewers are primarily North American based males ranging from the age of 16 to 35... Yes Pornography is not as affective, unless it is shown at a younger age... BUT THAT IS ILLEGAL!!

In some states you even have to be 21 to watch Pornography movies, or books.

2) We all know that recently TAO has had a HUGE problem with uptime... More then 25% of the time members try to get on to the forums they can not, why?

As I see it there is a connection to the two... The bots are overflowing TAO...

So if you fix #1 you fix #2... hopefully...

But hey... whats the shots of this being done...

[Hellblazer]

Bots are ignored mostly. If you don't like them, ignore them. The TAO staffers don't have any solutions good enough to stop them.
As for members being able to get on, just always stay logged in, like me.

[Buster]

As for members being able to get on, just always stay logged in, like me.

That doesnt stop it lol, you can not even get on to the forums.

[Megabyte]

I don't think either are a HUGE problem.

The first is a mild (very mild) nuisance, that while easily fixable isn't causing detriment.


The second is non-existant to my mind. I've never had a problem logging on from any computer I've used...ever.

The forums server does have some sort of update/upload downtime at 10:30-11:30pm (GMT-8 or PST) each day which causes it to load extremelly slowly (reaalllly slowly), but that's hardly something that's a HUGE problem.

[The Coder]

I don't think either are a HUGE problem.

The first is a mild (very mild) nuisance, that while easily fixable isn't causing detriment.


The second is non-existant to my mind. I've never had a problem logging on from any computer I've used...ever.

The forums server does have some sort of update/upload downtime at 10:30-11:30pm (GMT-8 or PST) each day which causes it to load extremelly slowly (reaalllly slowly), but that's hardly something that's a HUGE problem.

Shutit, I lost dinner because of the first one.

[Hellblazer]

He's right, though. Just because your computer's a little glitchy and you find bots more annoying when others don't doesn't mean TAO has to do anything about it.

[stryker]

You have to click on the link that says "Britney Spears sex tape" to see those pictures. You were asking for it.

Not to say that innapropriate bot posts aren't* annoying.

[Buster]

You have to click on the link that says "Britney Spears sex tape" to see those pictures. You were asking for it.

Not to say that innapropriate bot posts are annoying.

Im not saying I was not asking for it, Im saying it should not happen.

[KBHoleN1]

Buster the drama queen. You make some of the most pointless threads ...

This doesn't accomplish anything, besides giving you an excuse to post. You didn't even make suggestions, you just bitched. If you're so sure nothing will be done, then shut up. Otherwise make them into suggestions, and direct them to someone who can do something about. "We all know" that pms to mods are the only way to accomplish anything, the suggestions forum is about as pointless as CAU, when it comes to getting something done.

[Buster]

"We all know" that pms to mods are the only way to accomplish anything, the suggestions forum is about as pointless as CAU, when it comes to getting something done.

I tryed that once... got one reply, and that was from Max...

[gryph89]

Take the link they want you to click. Send it to the Site with an e-mail saying they violated they're own TOS (if they did) and you'll turn them in if they show up one more time to the TAO forums. Problem solved.

If not, takes TAO's TOS and send it to me in a PM, I'll review it and come up with something better. I'll be the vigilante of the member pool against bots...


...

I need a life...

[Buster]

Take the link they want you to click. Send it to the Site with an e-mail saying they violated they're own TOS (if they did) and you'll turn them in if they show up one more time to the TAO forums. Problem solved.

If not, takes TAO's TOS and send it to me in a PM, I'll review it and come up with something better. I'll be the vigilante of the member pool against bots...


...

I need a life...

I like that idea... I will do that.

[The Coder]

Psst. The TOS are at the bottom of the page. Here anyway ... (http://www.tacticsarena.com/info/tos.php)

[Buster]

Psst. The TOS are at the bottom of the page. Here anyway ... (http://www.tacticsarena.com/info/tos.php)

5. Content Uploads to Tactics Arena Online. You may upload content to Tactics Arena Online in various forms, including, but not limited to, the selections you make for the Program, in chat rooms, and similar user-to-user areas (collectively, your "Content"). Your Content shall not: (a) infringe any third party intellectual property, other proprietary or publicity/privacy rights; (b) violate any law or regulation; (c) be defamatory, obscene, or pornographic; or (d) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, cancelbots, worms, time bombs, or other computer programming routines that are intended to damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept, or expropriate any system, data, or personal information. TAO Gaming, Inc reserves the right to any legal remedies available to TAO Gaming, Inc with respect to your Content, including, but not limited to, termination of your use of Tactics Arena Online if we believe your Content may create liability for TAO Gaming, Inc or may cause TAO Gaming, Inc to lose (in whole or in part) the services of our ISPs or other suppliers. You hereby grant to TAO Gaming, Inc a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicenseable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise all intellectual property rights, in any media now known or not currently known, associated with your Content

So yeah...

[Jeffery]

So yeah...
B. In the event that you violate any of the foregoing provisions, TAO Gaming, Inc may at its option and without notice to you, as well you will forego your payment for that term regardless of how much time is left on the term. TAO Gaming reserves the right to: (i) temporarily suspended your access to Tactics Arena Online; or (ii) immediately terminate your access to Tactics Arena Online; and

So, basicallt it comes down to, if TAO wants to, it can, but nothing can force them too.

[Buster]

So, basicallt it comes down to, if TAO wants to, it can, but nothing can force them too.

Oh well besides the "Child Online Protection Act (COPA) of 1998"

[Jeffery]

Oh well besides the "Child Online Protection Act (COPA) of 1998"
COPPA does not apply, because that is only to show that the website itself is directly promoting or posting harmful materials. It is also about collecting private data directly from an under 13 year old audience. Since TAO has age restrictions of 13+, it does not apply.

This is not the case, and never has been. (nice try though, but you should actually read more about COPA before trying to wield its name)

[Buster]

COPPA does not apply, because that is only to show that the website itself is directly promoting or posting harmful materials. It is also about collecting private data directly from an under 13 year old audience. Since TAO has age restrictions of 13+, it does not apply.

This is not the case, and never has been. (nice try though, but you should actually read more about COPA before trying to wield its name)

Well then... I will look for more laws....

[gryph89]

Isn't just a script that is automatically changed to other things in their source code? If it is, I don't think that is asking for consent to show me women with hoo hoos.

[Buster]

COPPA does not apply, because that is only to show that the website itself is directly promoting or posting harmful materials. It is also about collecting private data directly from an under 13 year old audience. Since TAO has age restrictions of 13+, it does not apply.

This is not the case, and never has been. (nice try though, but you should actually read more about COPA before trying to wield its name)

Pornography:
advertises, promotes, presents, distributes, or solicits through the mails, or in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains (i) an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct

That should work!

[Jeffery]

That should work!
Cpngratulations, you defined Pornography.

Now what the hell does that have to do with these forums, which is for a game, not a porn website. Especially since the specific case of pornography you have defined has to do with depiction of pornography involving minors, which not one of the spambots have ever advertised.

Kid, your reaching on many levels. Instead of pulling random words from the internet, how about you go read those acts thoroughly and actually learn what they talk about.

[KBHoleN1]

Buster, you're arguing with Jeffery. It wouldn't matter if every word you spoke was true, you'd still lose. It doesn't help that you don't know what you're talking about. Just stop.

[Megabyte]

Im not saying I was not asking for it, Im saying it should not happen.

you realize how stupid that statement sounds, right?



Get over it man, TAO ain't your mamma, and as such they're not obligated to purge the site to suite whatever asthetics you feel it needs to. Be a big boy and try to take care of yourself for a change.

It comes down to your own sense, if you don't like it, don't click it. If that's too hard for you, I reccomend you cancle your ISP service.

[Buster]

you realize how stupid that statement sounds, right?



Get over it man, TAO ain't your mamma, and as such they're not obligated to purge the site to suite whatever asthetics you feel it needs to. Be a big boy and try to take care of yourself for a change.

It comes down to your own sense, if you don't like it, don't click it. If that's too hard for you, I reccomend you cancle your ISP service.

Dude, Im not doing this for me. There are many users on the TAO forums, and game.

These members are effected by what they see online. An most are below the age of 18, or 21, which makes it illegal.

[Jeffery]

Dude, Im not doing this for me. There are many users on the TAO forums, and game.

These members are effected by what they see online. An most are below the age of 18, or 21, which makes it illegal.
Yes, illegal for the spambots, not TAO.

Nothing TAO is doing is illegal in any way, no matter how many laws you misinterpret.

[Cuathon]

dammit, spell affected right!
honestly...
no one cares, suck it up and dont look.

[Sangro]

I looked :D

[Megabyte]

Dude, Im not doing this for me. There are many users on the TAO forums, and game.

These members are effected by what they see online. An most are below the age of 18, or 21, which makes it illegal.

It makes it illegal for them to click it, yes...so you kids should quit breaking the law. The TOS, TAO admins, and mods, do not condone the bots spamming (and subsequently remove it). Problem solved on their end, as they have a clear pattern of condemnation, they don't need to do any more.

You won't find any legal precedent indicating otherwise. Misinterpretating codes to suit your point doesn't make them legit, it just means you don't know your private sector rights (and likely legal code at large). I'm no expert, but I've worked on public access boards long enough to be intimately familiar with the responsibilities and issues.

If you kids are so easily affected, stop clicking them. Or you could always leave the boards, that would work too. The responsibility for what you choose to view is on your end, genius, not TAO's. Nobody is forced to view (or not view) anything they don't want to.

[uniquinous]

I still like.... MEgabyte's (?) idea of restricting accounts so that their first few posts can't be new threads.

And no, #2 doesn't have to do with #1. Actual users are on TAO much more then bots

[dirka dirka]

I like the idea of mod authorized sign-up. This is already a feature while having the first few posts not be new threads, to the best of my knowledge, is not currently. One thing is possible while the other is not.

[Jeffery]

I like the idea of mod authorized sign-up. This is already a feature while having the first few posts not be new threads, to the best of my knowledge, is not currently. One thing is possible while the other is not.
Actually, vBulletin has post count related membergroups for permissions already. So making you have, say 10 posts, before making threads is nativley possible.

[dirka dirka]

I can't find it. Could be a shitty version though.

[Jeffery]

I can't find it. Could be a shitty version though.
And you are not an admin, which means you can;t access the admin interface for setting usergroup permissions.

[dirka dirka]

And you are not an admin, which means you can;t access the admin interface for setting usergroup permissions.

not these forums, and yes I can access the admin cp here, just can't use it

[Jeffery]

not these forums, and yes I can access the admin cp here, just can't use it
If you could access it, you would easily see the usergroup functions, including seting up non-public user ranks based on post counts, with permission settings for that usergroup to not allow/allow certain things, such as posting new threads.

Simpyl put- New member set to userrank 0. Userrank 0 set to membergroup 0, permissions disallow posting new threads.
When Post count = 5, userrank becomes 1. Userrank 1 assigned to usergroup 1, allowed new threads.

Now, you make these the non-dominant groupings, and leave the Grey/Gold membergroups as dominant, and there will be no visible difference, except that new accounts may not make new threads until they have 5 posts.

And yes, buy "access" I meant get to and use. Which you can;t.

And yes, I know this works, because I am on several forums that have it setup to do so.

[dirka dirka]

Granted, I can't use it. I can show you how to get to it if you want, but it is pointless. Just another bug all too common on vB.

I'm not saying you're wrong, you know more than me about forums. I'm just saying that I can't figure it out. I was messing with it on a forum I setup to try and see if it would work and now the forum is just doing a ton of database errors. I've always sucked with forums.

[Jeffery]

Just use the vBull demo silly.

[Buster]

Just use the vBull demo silly.

As we on it can be fixed, so fight for it!

[Jeffery]

You fight for what is right, and what is possible.

What you fail to understand is that TAO simply doesn;t care what you think. So "fighting" isn't going to work.

[Buster]

You fight for what is right, and what is possible.

What you fail to understand is that TAO simply doesn;t care what you think. So "fighting" isn't going to work.

This I know... however people have done it.

[Jeffery]

And yet nothing has come of it....

Gee? Feeling useless?

[Hellblazer]

Yeah, Buster, stop arguing for these two things. They're so minor and non-existant and opinionated to have any effect in the long-run.

[Buster]

And yet nothing has come of it....

Gee? Feeling useless?

I can do it for days, even years, on day it will be done.

Until then I will sned PM after PM.

[Jeffery]

And when you've sent that one PM too many, you ill be told to shut it, or be banned. (and yes, that is how the admins handle things)