100 percent Miss :D

[Dan_F_U]

Today I decided to get on a grey account and just piss away time.yay. Anyways, I started stomping a noob as usual when I noticed something funny about blocking system.

Scenario- My knight front attacked oppenents pyro...Front attack...Hit. yay.
My scout for shits and giggles went for a front..Block...o dang.
I then sent same knight in for a side attack...100% chance.
THE PYRO BLOCKED THE SIDE...heh...heres the s/s.

NOTICE THE 200 PERCENT BY PYRO...once again..GO Tactics!!!

http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200percentfx3.jpg

[VAMP7]

another pointless thread about this subject and the "unfair" blocking system.

[Silver Coast]

hes just amazed by the glitch :p anyway this kinda thing has been reported before, dan....im srry....ur too late :( lol

[KBHoleN1]

99.5 = 100 when rounded. 100% does not guarantee a hit, as there is a fraction of a percent where the other outcome will occur (i.e. block). It's just a rounding issue, it's not that the blocking system cheated you, it's that statistics nomally deals with multiple decimal places to maintain precision, the percentages on TAO do not.

And this question has only been answered dozens of times.

[Silver Coast]

99.5 = 100 when rounded. 100% does not guarantee a hit, as there is a fraction of a percent where the other outcome will occur (i.e. block). It's just a rounding issue, it's not that the blocking system cheated you, it's that statistics nomally deals with multiple decimal places to maintain precision, the percentages on TAO do not.

And this question has only been answered dozens of times.

very true, see dan :p lol. anyway wat is amazing is that this kinda bad luck happened to someone besides me >.< i have been having some shi* ass luck in my past couple games :( still won them, but still :p stuff like this can cost games :\

[Shamus]

Funny how it's always the Pyro that's involved in these kind of things. :bigsmile:

[VAMP7]

Actually i have a pic with a knight at -199 blocking.

[Magician]

TAO: 1 Dan U: 1,xxx,xxx

I'm not sure how far ahead you are, Dan. :)

~Mag

[Dan_F_U]

another pointless thread about this subject and the "unfair" blocking system.

First of all...whats wrong with pointless threads...They are everywhere :D..
2nd...I was simply showing something funny that happened to me...Trust me..you havent heard me b%#$ about the blocking system...so...just shut it noob:D


hes just amazed by the glitch :p anyway this kinda thing has been reported before, dan....im srry....ur too late :( lol

Ah thanks for the back up. Sure it may of been reported..but I never knew..or cared if it was..because..IM NOT LATE...YOU GUYS WERE JUS TOO DAMN EARLY... !!!

99.5 = 100 when rounded. 100% does not guarantee a hit, as there is a fraction of a percent where the other outcome will occur (i.e. block). It's just a rounding issue, it's not that the blocking system cheated you, it's that statistics nomally deals with multiple decimal places to maintain precision, the percentages on TAO do not.

And this question has only been answered dozens of times.

Thanks for taking the time to explain..but couldnt care less if tao "cheated me". Game was unimportant just got a giggle and felt the need to share...thats what forums are for eh. A simple HA HA woulda been a nice post..cheer up KB...still wub ya :D

TAO: 1 Dan U: 1,xxx,xxx

I'm not sure how far ahead you are, Dan. :)

~Mag

Lol. But I think its fair to say...we all are ahead of Tao at this point :D

[dirka dirka]

There should be uniform rounding or lack there of.

[Jeffery]

Lol. But I think its fair to say...we all are ahead of Tao at this point :D
Bullshit.

How much money has TAO paid you????
How much money have you paid TAO????

Now do you want to count who is ahead of who? I bet it's the man with the 2 year old condo and 1 year old car.

[dirka dirka]

Bullshit.

How much money has TAO paid you????
How much money have you paid TAO????

Now do you want to count who is ahead of who? I bet it's the man with the 2 year old condo and 1 year old car.
Sucks to be that man, sheesh.. time for some change or something new. Personally, TAO has earned me tons of cash.. and I've probably paid something like $200 back into it.

[EatMine]

TAO has earned me tons of cashwhat's "tons of cash"?

[dirka dirka]

what's "tons of cash"?

Eh.. directly from TAO.. probably $10,000 to $12,500. You would be surprised what stupid things like my banner show to people who want to hire programmers.

[Jeffery]

dirka once made $50 dressing up as the Chanty and stripping for a nerd bachelor party.

[dirka dirka]

dirka once made $50 dressing up as the Chanty and stripping for a nerd bachelor party.

Stop it!! I told you that was a secret.

[Realist]

99.5 = 100 when rounded. 100% does not guarantee a hit, as there is a fraction of a percent where the other outcome will occur (i.e. block). It's just a rounding issue, it's not that the blocking system cheated you, it's that statistics nomally deals with multiple decimal places to maintain precision, the percentages on TAO do not.

And this question has only been answered dozens of times.

And differently each time...and wrongly each time....

[dirka dirka]

And differently each time...and wrongly each time....

Enlighten us. It's a rounding issue, nothing more or less, don't try and be hard.

[EatMine]

Eh.. directly from TAO.. probably $10,000 to $12,500.It's a rounding issue, nothing more or less, don't try and be hard. :bigsmile:

[iceman2001]

Eh.. directly from TAO.. probably $10,000 to $12,500. You would be surprised what stupid things like my banner show to people who want to hire programmers.

Do you know what the going rate is for an excellent freelance programmer is without a college degree? I'll give you a hint: it's $10 per hour or less. Of course the top can make more. But if you are truely a talented programmer who can bring in that kind of money, you wouldn't be doing it because someone thought your banner you made on paintbrush looked good.

[Jeffery]

Do you know what the going rate is for an excellent freelance programmer is without a college degree? I'll give you a hint: it's $10 per hour or less. Of course the top can make more. But if you are truely a talented programmer who can bring in that kind of money, you wouldn't be doing it because someone thought your banner you made on paintbrush looked good.
I'd like to see where you pulled those figures, cuz there are plenty of freelance programmers I know still in highschool pulling down a heckuva lot more than that.

[dirka dirka]

Do you know what the going rate is for an excellent freelance programmer is without a college degree? I'll give you a hint: it's $10 per hour or less. Of course the top can make more. But if you are truely a talented programmer who can bring in that kind of money, you wouldn't be doing it because someone thought your banner you made on paintbrush looked good.

Jeffery can vouch for my talent, I believe, and he can also vouch that I've been willing to make money with it. Evidently you're just dumb. My banner isn't made in paintbrush or anything of the sort. It is generated with php each time it is executed.

[Celest]

WOAH!! Dat's hecka awesome Dan!!!! =DDDDD!!! -200 O.o..thats kinda strange though for a pyro to block sucha move =/..

[†Nuke'em†]

Funny how it's always the Pyro that's involved in these kind of things. :bigsmile:

Pyros pwn.

[Dresicos]

dirka once made $50 dressing up as the Chanty and stripping for a nerd bachelor party.

You too?!? :eek:


But really I love this kinda stuff, thanks Dan for posting it :D

[Duffman]

Bullshit.

How much money has TAO paid you????
How much money have you paid TAO????

Now do you want to count who is ahead of who? I bet it's the man with the 2 year old condo and 1 year old car.

$0.
$0. Unless you count free gold and white accounts as a form of payment.

I think i'm ahead. :)

[dirka dirka]

$0.
$0. Unless you count free gold and white accounts as a form of payment.

I think i'm ahead. :)
Only if you value your time at $0, slave.

[uniquinous]

NOTICE THE 200 PERCENT BY PYRO
I see a "-200" by the pyro. I do not see "-200%". Note the difference. This comes up a lot. We have no guarantee it's a percent, so much as a modifier. The other popular belief is that it's due to rounding. Either way, we've gotten several threads about this, as someone pointed out.

btw, i have pics of the dirk-chanty

Jeffery can vouch for my talent, I believe, and he can also vouch that I've been willing to make money with it. Evidently you're just dumb. My banner isn't made in paintbrush or anything of the sort. It is generated with php each time it is executed.I dont think iceman was saying anything about your talent or your willingness to make money with it. He's talking about the market. Willingness doesn't mean much without experience. Now if Jeffery can confirm you made $10,000 on it, that's another story - but we both know that you've ALWAYS claimed to be making gigantic sums of money off the internet for drugs or coding or furries pornography :rolleyes:

[KBHoleN1]

The 200 IS a modifier, no question. But when you target a unit, and it gives you a percentage to hit, that is where rounding comes into play. Nothing is guaranteed, all the modifiers do is make it more likely.

Something about this should be stickied, or posted in the FAQ, don't you think? It seems that a lot of people don't understand this, especially those who don't frequent the forums.

[dirka dirka]

I dont think iceman was saying anything about your talent or your willingness to make money with it. He's talking about the market. Willingness doesn't mean much without experience. Now if Jeffery can confirm you made $10,000 on it, that's another story - but we both know that you've ALWAYS claimed to be making gigantic sums of money off the internet for drugs or coding or furries pornography :rolleyes:

... and my car speaks for itself, uniq. I've got the money. Jeffery can vouch that I've gotten some graphic work and programming work out of these forums, not the sum nor even a remote fraction though. I have plenty of experience, over 10 years of it!

[Dan_F_U]

Bullshit.

How much money has TAO paid you????
How much money have you paid TAO????

Now do you want to count who is ahead of who? I bet it's the man with the 2 year old condo and 1 year old car.

Well not too sure what direction your going on this...

The sarcastic HA HA Clown....

The lets mock Dan U Clown
or....

IT the evil smelly clown???

But Im jus being the typical haha confused/stupid Dan U..so dont mind my statement cuz I didnt mind urs :D

[Office_Shredder]

The green has to be percent, because (unless I've just not noticed) doesn't the hit/miss chance it gives you line up with it?

[INUYASHA]

I just realized something. if it were 99.5% rounded up in the percentage, wouldn't that mean the pyro would gain -199 blocking, not -200...?

o.O

[TACTOHOLIC]

You cant round 99.5% to 100%, its a mistake, there are specific cases when you cant round to up numbers but you got to do it down even if it is .999999
if a pyro have 99.99999% to be hit then it should be displayed 99% on the screen, 100% means you will HIT and thats it, it is not only a number but what it represents.

[Office_Shredder]

tactaholic, the number on the screen isn't what your actual chance is, it's the chance rounded to an integer. Note when you target a pyromancer from the side you don't get the decimal point.

[abyaly]

You cant round 99.5% to 100%, its a mistake, there are specific cases when you cant round to up numbers but you got to do it down even if it is .999999Ahahahahha. You make me feel smiley. I'm sorry in advance for any offence you may take to this post.

[KBHoleN1]

I don't think you can say you can't do it, because TAO obviously does, so it's more than possible. Maybe the word Tact is looking for is shouldn't, but even that is a stretch. No need to bend the laws of math for this case, just realize that the integer on the screen is not a direct representation of the actual percent.

[dirka dirka]

tactaholic, the number on the screen isn't what your actual chance is, it's the chance rounded to an integer. Note when you target a pyromancer from the side you don't get the decimal point.

Explain to me, then, why rounded integers don't equal rounded integers. If we round 99.6 to 100 and once again round 99.6 to 100, then both the visible blocking and the actual blocking are 100. Coders are usually uniform in their code, if they have any skill, with variables and such. This is a HORRIBLE flaw by seed.

[TACTOHOLIC]

Exactly, what I tried to say...
99% of chances of hitting/block means you will almost surely will hit/block
100% means you are gonna hit, i dont see this difficult to understand.
In this case, obviously you have to round to 99%, like I said on the other post the numbers are just that, what is important is what them represent.

Possible solutions
A) Round to 99% or atleast display on the screen 99%
B) if x>99.5% then x equals 100%

[Realist]

tactaholic, the number on the screen isn't what your actual chance is, it's the chance rounded to an integer. Note when you target a pyromancer from the side you don't get the decimal point.

According to the unit stats, pyro side blocking is 16% not 16.5%.

[Office_Shredder]

According to the unit stats, pyro side blocking is 16% not 16.5%.

I imagine in reality the percentages are 33.33...% and 16.66...%

Note none of the units with an odd % chance of blocking from in front have a decimal for the side blocking (beast rider, berserker). However, whether this is because they round down to the nearest percent when posting the number or the actual percent is rounded down is not stated.

[Realist]

I imagine in reality the percentages are 33.33...% and 16.66...%

Do you have any evidence for this?

[dirka dirka]

Do you have any evidence for this?

Do you have any evidence that suggests otherwise? The evidence in favor of rounding as the solution is logic. What do you have? Yea.. you got nothing.

[Realist]

Do you have any evidence that suggests otherwise?

Yes.

[dirka dirka]

Yes[, I got Nothing].

I've already answered this for you. I filled in the quote. No need to reply.