Political Debates.

[inked]

I am bored.
If you are bored pick a subject and your stance on it.

I will take the other side and debate you.

[scb]

Oh, sure...

Hitler was evil.

[uniquinous]

The ultimate debate topic:
"This topic is poorly formed"
You take the other side. :)

[inked]

Oh, sure...

Hitler was evil.

Hitler was not evil.

The ultimate debate topic:
"This topic is poorly formed"
You take the other side. :)

This thread was formed fairly well.



Cool. Next time if someone picks a real topic and backs it up I will debate them.

ideas:
Abortion
Taxes
Social Security and Social Medicine
Same Sex Mariage
Military
Religion and State
Energy
Immigration
Education

[_Thunder_]

Hitler wasnt evil *I agree*

And u quit the forums yet u post a thread?

[_Thunder_]

Hitler wasnt evil *I agree*

And u quit the forums yet u post a thread?

[uniquinous]

no i didn't mean this *thread* was bad, i meant my topic was bad, and my topic is "this topic is bad" :p
now you need to argue why my points are really good

[dirka dirka]

Abortion - Who cares?
Taxes - Shit happens.
Social Security and Social Medicine - Lazy people succeed anyway.
Same Sex Marriage - No.
Military - Why? What?
Religion and State - Who cares? Get over yourselves.
Energy - Energy.. energy weapons.. fun.
Immigration - Deportation.
Education - Failure.

[inked]

Hitler wasnt evil *I agree*

And u quit the forums yet u post a thread?

Yeah I was asked to come back for the TAO Mafia before I go to bootcamp.


I am going to dinner. Bye.

[Anarchy_United]

Jesus would be Republican, Agree Disagree?

[Learz]

A true topic.

I believe that America will eventually end up with either a dictatorship, or anarchy.


No, I dont' really believe that, I picked it out of thin air. But it's better then the above ideas.



Hm. I may or may not come back to debate. But it's worth a shot.

[Hellblazer]

Political correctness sucks. I want to be able to say "F*ck you, God!" in a church and not get a hundred angry glances.

[Office_Shredder]

Political correctness sucks. I want to be able to say "F*ck you, God!" in a church and not get a hundred angry glances.

That's just dumb, and has nothing to do with political correctness (which you would know if you knew the definition)

[DOCTOR DEVICE]

Political correctness sucks. I want to be able to say "F*ck you, God!" in a church and not get a hundred angry glances.

[Typical angry teenager respond Hellblazer would hope to get in his mass attempt to be accepted by some sect of this forum. Having not succeeded with the grammar nazis, he's turned to angry rebel-Catholics] Omg I so agree! What's wrong with that? That and like, the fucked up shit they pour on your head. Like, honestly, annointing me wth oil is gonna do what? You go for it man. STICK IT TO THE MAN! Lol. Screw them. Yell it at the top of your lungs

LALALALALA!

GOD SUCKS!

Just like...you know man... religion stupid... rebelling... natural...yell...loud.

Stay bitchin' blaze! Respeck! :cool:[/Typical angry teenager response Hellblazer would hope to get in his mass attempt to be accepted by some sect of this forum. Having not succeeded with the grammar nazis, he's turned to angry rebel-Catholics]

...

I think you've failed again! :happy:

[inked]

I believe that America will eventually end up with either a dictatorship, or anarchy.


I don't think that either will happen with things as they currently are. Maybe eventually after some major social and economic changes, but even then I can't see it being a longstanding dictatorship or anarchy.

I don't think people like the idea of being controlled without the rights and liberties we have of electing our government and living under appointed representatives. I also don't think people would put up with the insecurities of living in an anarchy. I think people would form some organized groups and start a basic government all over again.

[Dark Flipper]

Flipout is cool.. Let's debate on this


<.<

Debate Proof
The war lasts all day Wednesday. Apparently you must play your games on Floor 8 of Great Lakes. :D I believe the war goes on for 48 hours.

Heil flipout! :worthy:

More Proof

God....

Flip is so hot right now....

and more proof =D

Flip gave me an AK rep.


>.>

[inked]

Political correctness sucks. I want to be able to say "F*ck you, God!" in a church and not get a hundred angry glances.

Why?

Churches are private organizations that allow members to come in and practice their religious activities as a community. Why would you want to go in their homes of prayer and insult them?

Would you be comfortable if every and any American was allowed to walk into your private world and insult anything about you? What if they went into your bathroom while you were showering and criticized your body?

Your major defense would be the First Amendment. Freedom of Speech! Can't stop me! What about their right to practice their religion? Their right to peacefully assemble? You have the right to say what you want, but they have the right to not be harassed.

[Hugh Junit]

Jesus would be Republican, Agree Disagree?

Disagree.
He was a pacifist.
He believed in acceptance and tolerance of all people.
He was anti-establishment and spoke out against authority.
He told people to give away their money and possessions.
He told people to "love" everyone.
Jesus was a hippy, for crying out loud.
:cool:

[scb]

Disagree.
He was a pacifist.
He believed in acceptance and tolerance of all people.
He was anti-establishment and spoke out against authority.
He told people to give away their money and possessions.
He told people to "love" everyone.
Jesus was a hippy, for crying out loud.
:cool:

Well, except I think most hippies did drugs. And Jesus didn't really speak out against authority - he just spoke out against the pharisees, because of their legalism (religious reasons). The Romans were really in charge, and he didn't try to throw them off.

I'm not sure about the tolerance bit, it's true to some extent but I think you mean more than he did.

Likewise, not a pacifist because the establishment was warlike and he didn't try to stop them. I agree with #5, though. Man, I agreed with less than I planned to.

I don't think he would have joined a political party, though. He was too busy with his own business.

[Hugh Junit]

Well, except I think most hippies did drugs. And Jesus didn't really speak out against authority - he just spoke out against the pharisees, because of their legalism (religious reasons). The Romans were really in charge, and he didn't try to throw them off.

I'm not sure about the tolerance bit, it's true to some extent but I think you mean more than he did.

Likewise, not a pacifist because the establishment was warlike and he didn't try to stop them. I agree with #5, though. Man, I agreed with less than I planned to.

I don't think he would have joined a political party, though. He was too busy with his own business.


A pacifist can be correctly described as someone who is opposed to violence. In Mark 5:39, Jesus said " If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." I would say that's definitely the stance of a pacifist.
Like you said, he may have been a bit too busy with his own business to try and bring down the "warlike" establishment, but I think it's pretty safe to say he was completely opposed to violence.

[Realist]

Hippies like free sex.

[Hugh Junit]

Hippies like free sex.

Well, no one LIKES to pay for it.

[Hellblazer]

That's just dumb, and has nothing to do with political correctness (which you would know if you knew the definition)

Well, I couldn't think of anything else off the top of my head when I was posting that... So.
You know what I meant. PC still sucks. I like to be able to express myself to the fullest degree without someone tapping me on the shoulder and saying "Uh, uh, uh, little boy. No more swearing for you."

Oh, and actually, inked, you're treading on mixed laws there. They have the right to be in that church and the right to pray to whoever, but I can still bust in there and curse out there god in one simple statement like that. They can sue me for harassment if they do so choose, but one little three-word statement isn't really enough to get them anywhere with that.

[uniquinous]

Hippies like free *.*
I fixed it

[Office_Shredder]

Oh, and actually, inked, you're treading on mixed laws there. They have the right to be in that church and the right to pray to whoever, but I can still bust in there and curse out there god in one simple statement like that. They can sue me for harassment if they do so choose, but one little three-word statement isn't really enough to get them anywhere with that.

No you can't. It's called trespassing, and happens to be illegal.

[inked]

Church ≠ Government owned public land

Church = Private organization for like-minded religous people

[Thargor]

actually in most places tresspass laws arent strong. And unless you are actually breaking into the church during a time when visitors are obviously not welcome (in the middle of the night, for example) it would be hard to prosecute for tresspass. Most churches explicitly welcome visitors.

One tip though, don't trespass in the dark in Texas. :hunter: :eek: :swoon:

[inked]

Most churches explicitly welcome visitors.

I think there is quite a difference between a visitor and someone showing up to insult their beliefs. There is no need for people to go into a house of worship to insult the worshiping.

[dirka dirka]

I think there is quite a difference between a visitor and someone showing up to insult their beliefs. There is no need for people to go into a house of worship to insult the worshiping.

Someone showing up to criticize their beliefs is still a visitor. Visitors are welcomed, outlandish critics might not be. There is a very true need for people to attend religious events such as church if they want to criticize it, they need a basis for criticism, and it might even change their minds.

[Thargor]

I think there is quite a difference between a visitor and someone showing up to insult their beliefs. There is no need for people to go into a house of worship to insult the worshiping.

I believe in a case where general visitors are welcome, you have to ask someone to leave before it can be tresspassing. If you ask them to leave and they don't then its an easy call for the police.

And there are some cases where even then, its not tresspassing. If the meter reader from the power company was there doing their job, and you tell them to leave, its not tresspassing for them to stay and finish their job.

[inked]

Political correctness sucks. I want to be able to say "F*ck you, God!" in a church and not get a hundred angry glances.

The "and not get a hundred angry glances" to me says that he knows he isn't welcome to go their for the purpose of insulting their God.

I have never went to a church that allowed people to come in to insult them and their beliefs. The ones I have seen allow for people to worship along with the religious community.

Going into a church and saying "Fuck you God." is trying to start something malicious Why not go to an AA meeting and tell them they are idiots and need to get drunk. Because those people have a right to assemble and fulfill their needs as a community without interference.

[Hellblazer]

No you can't. It's called trespassing, and happens to be illegal.

1. If you're a member of the church, what're they going to do?
2. Churches welcome anyone in. They don't know if you're going to insult their God or not.
3. Trespassing is only trespassing if there is notice warning you not to trespass. I recently had that clarified when a crazy woman showed up on my doorstep.

Edit: Yeah, but inked, that's what I'm proving. Political correctness bullsh*t impedes on my freedom of speech. It may seem like I'm interfering with their worship, but I'm really only lashing out at the limitations political correctness casts over my right.
Sure, again, not the best example of political correctness, but political correctness says not to take the Lord's name in vain like that.

[inked]

California Penal Code section 302 says that every person who intentionally disturbs or disquiets any assemblage of people met for religious worship at a tax-exempt place of worship, by profane discourse, rude or indecent behavior, or by unnecessary noise, either within the place where the meeting is held, or near it as to disturb the solemnity of the meeting, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

I am from California so I looked up my state. I am sure others have relatively similar stances.

[Office_Shredder]

Edit: Yeah, but inked, that's what I'm proving. Political correctness bullsh*t impedes on my freedom of speech. It may seem like I'm interfering with their worship, but I'm really only lashing out at the limitations political correctness casts over my right.
Sure, again, not the best example of political correctness, but political correctness says not to take the Lord's name in vain like that.

No, you're wrong. Political correctness says nothing about saying god damn, I swear to god, etc. Insulting someone is not the same as being politically incorrect

[inked]

The same amendment that gives you Freedom of Speech gives them the Freedom of Religion and Freedom to Assemble. Your rights stop at their rights and theirs at yours.

They can't use their religion to tell you not to say "Fuck you God", but you can't ruin their assembly or limit their religious practices.

[scb]

You can walk into a church and say "Fuck you, God." But they have the right to give you dirty looks for it.

Inked, I think that while what you are saying is a great view to take morally, it wouldn't stand up legally because you're basically saying that while he shouldn't do that, there's nothing to stop him. Actually, I don't know what the law would do. I think he should get away with it, but U.S. law has punished some pretty petty things.

[Hellblazer]

Exactly, it all comes down to whether they sue or not and whether the case is taken seriously or not.
Inked, you said I can't "ruin" their congregation. I'm not, I'm simply saying three words and all they'll do, in reality, is give me dirty looks. It becomes "ruining" when I step in there every Sunday and yell that. Then it becomes harassment and an obstruction to that whole "peaceably congregate" deal.
I still have the right to say one thing and get dirty looks. The English language can kill you.

Anyway, taking the Lord's name in vain is technically put under not being correct politically, just like insulting a Jew or something. People often overlook it, but it's still there.

[†Pray To God†]

FOUND IT, can i post here without been locked meat eater?

[meat.eater]

http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?p=989707&highlight=iraq#post989707

That one is a little more used.

Just a piece of advice: Arguing for the sake of arguing is considered pretty lame around here. We've all argued this one to death - none of your points will be anything new. Consider that, and teh fact that we wont change your opinions just like you wont change ours, BEFORE you necro that thread.

[†Pray To God†]

And im not argueing for the sake of arguing, as you can see, i put be respectful on the first post of the thread. I want to hear peoples opinions and have a nice discussion. Not my fault that THE CHEAT cant be mature about it!