FPS Grey Tourney

[bludhoundz]

Sorry this is a little late, but here goes anyway.

Here is where the idea comes from: http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31242

FPS style:
Dropless, the following units are allowed:
Knight (x3)
Enchantress (x1)
Dark Magic Witch (x1)
Pyromancer (x1)
Lightning Ward (x1)
Barrier Ward (x1)
Scout (x1)
Assassin (x1)
Cleric (x1)

Legends style:
Dropls allowed, following units are allowed:
Knight (x3)
Enchantress
Dark Magic Witch
Pyromancer
Lightning Ward (x1)
Barrier Ward
Scout (x1)
Assassin
Cleric
Frost Golem (x1)
Furgon (x1)
Beast Rider (x1)
Mud Golem (x1?)

Participants:
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This tournament will be in a league-like style. Each player plays every other player in each style (FPS or Legends) once. Games are recorded, and a short battle report with screenshot should be posted.

Example:
bludhoundz loses to Magician at dropless grey.
Magician loses to Punishment at legends style grey
Punishment defeats bludhoundz at dropless grey

bludhoundz [Plunder] (0-1), (0-1)
Magician (1-0), (0-1)
Punishment (1-0), (1-0)

Color code:
Blue = Forum name
White = Revelations name (if different from forum name)
Red = FPS style record
Green = Legends style record


There is no restriction in the number of players. Inactive players will be PMed every Friday night.

Any players actively working to get others to be more active, feel free. I am not the most active at the moment, so any kind of help is appreciated.

Legends style grey not finalized, critiques welcome. In fact, critiques are welcome to the format of everything in this tournament. I agreed to run it, not decide upon how it was run.. so give me comments if you'd like.

There is going to be no legends style in the tournament

[Hatchet Warrior]

Quick question...Are we restricting how many drops we are going to use for legends style? If so, it'll be one of each extra drop. If not, 1 furg and the rest is unlimited.

[BaxVarlet]

So hopefully FPSers already have accounts on legends with drops, or are we just going in with a huge disadvantage?

[bludhoundz]

Quick question...Are we restricting how many drops we are going to use for legends style? If so, it'll be one of each extra drop. If not, 1 furg and the rest is unlimited.
I'm not sure.

So hopefully FPSers already have accounts on legends with drops, or are we just going in with a huge disadvantage?

Gold accounts are always usable alternatives.

[Hatchet Warrior]

You should know, you're running the FPS side of this while I am going go run the Legends side. This is why I asked :p

[bludhoundz]

Well, the way I see it, we either restrict it to 1 of each drop, or 2 of each drop (minus furg).

[Geeky_Bastard]

I say we only have no drops because they too have no drops. Playing drops is not a test of skill.. it's a test of drops.

[BaxVarlet]

I suppose dropless games can be played anywhere, but what about legends game? Can I insist on rev to have the drops to play? What if they don't have a rev account?

[Hatchet Warrior]

I already went over that in the other thread. Maybe bludz can pull some strings and them rev accounts like meat did for the turt games. I say one drop of each.

Geeky, drops do take skill if you know what your doing.

[BaxVarlet]

Geeky, drops do take skill if you know what your doing.

Not if the other person has uber drops and you have none.

[Geeky_Bastard]

I won't participate unless this is only dropless, WHERE EVERYONE HAS EQUAL OPPURTUNITY. I'm sick of Legends always having the upper hand in these games.

This is the one tournament that can truly be played on an even playing ground and yet it has to be skewed by having drops. I'm out unless it's only dropless. What's wrong with winner of 2/3 no drops? That's how you find the best grays.

[Maverik07]

ill sign up

[Hatchet Warrior]

I won't participate unless this is only dropless, WHERE EVERYONE HAS EQUAL OPPURTUNITY. I'm sick of Legends always having the upper hand in these games.

This is the one tournament that can truly be played on an even playing ground and yet it has to be skewed by having drops. I'm out unless it's only dropless. What's wrong with winner of 2/3 no drops? That's how you find the best grays.

Then don't participate. This is fair on both sides. one game of each style with only 4 drops being able to be used in the legends style. As I told you on IM, if a tie does happen then they will have a tie breaker be decided with a dropless game.

I'll agrue with you about this later, I have to go to work. :D

[pils]

This is something I am interested in.
I will actually be active in this one ^^

I have one request: Don't allow more than one frost golem. And maybe don't allow more than one beast rider.

Those things are cheap, and we really don't have a chance in hell of obtaining 2 frosts and/or 2 beasts by the time this happens.

But definatley count me in!

edit: read some of the above posts. Allow drops, just one of each.

If people can't find accounts to play on speak to me. I may be able to help you on obtaining accounts that have plenty of drops.
Or else like others said: Make it rev games.

[solingro]

I'd say don't allow anything a gold account doesn't have. So 2 frosts, 2 muds, 2 BR, etc... should not be allowed. Then if all drop games are played on Rev. Might even go as far as no grey drops, so basically units allowed would be no drop grey units + BR, mud, furgon, frosty. That way everyone has the same units to work with, drop or no drop.

[Mithrandir]

I'm open to playing in this thing but not with legends drops. I'll participate if its dropless the whole way, otherwise you'd be best off with someone else anyway.

[pils]

Then there would be no point in bringing this to legends.
Legends greys hide behind their drops. FPS could show them that we can pwn them using their drops AND using the skill it takes to win a dropless game.

If its just because you can't obtain a frost, beast, furgon, mud, ect.. Don't worry. Those things will be worked out.

But if its just because you can't handle a legend's grey, well then maybe you shouldn't join...

[Punishment]

Sign me up.

[powza]

Im in for sure, but I would like to see a limit on the drops. I say 2 or 3 drops in the Legends games or something. FPS style would obviously be dropless though

[gigolojlo gl]

Put me down.

[planktiffy]

hmm, sinse gig signed up, sign me up

[Magician]

Dropless ftw. :cool:

I'm in, btw.

~Mag

[planktiffy]

dropless pwns

[Geeky_Bastard]

I'm with Mith, it should be no drops the whole way.

[planktiffy]

yeah im in with that idea

[~SlayeR~]

Yeah, no drops the whole way would be better since it's a grey tourney thingy..

But anyway, I'm in.

[bludhoundz]

You can make the negotiations with legends if you want. That's not my job.

I assume they will want a no drop section and a drop section. For the drop section, I think it should be limited to 1 of each drop (ie, no 2 BR's, no 3 witches). It's not like the playing field is not equal Geeky, you are allowed to use those units as well.

If you're not down with the dropped style, then don't join I guess. I'm just organizing the tournament, I'm not setting the rules.

[Geeky_Bastard]

They have experience with forms with these units and playing with them. Legends drops are NOT gray units, they are gold units.

[Mithrandir]

They have experience with forms with these units and playing with them. Legends drops are NOT gray units, they are gold units.

Ooh, pwnage from the Geekster!

[pils]

If there are no objections i'll make the thread at legends tonight.
I'll post it as dropless.

Geek is right.. golems, and beasts are not grey units. They are gold units.

I will post the tourny as 100% dropless.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Boomshakalaka

[pils]

I was about to post it when i realized there is no one over there to organize it yet.
Lets select some people to present this too, so they can organize, and post it themselves.

[bludhoundz]

They have experience with forms with these units and playing with them. Legends drops are NOT gray units, they are gold units.

Like I said, tell it to them, not to me. I am merely stating that piece-wise, they are not at an advantage.

I don't care if its dropless only or dropped as well.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Experience-wise it's huge.

[I'malive24/7]

I agree with everyone saying that it should be dropless all-around.

But nonetheless, sign me up :)

[Soda]

I am in, but I will be playing my games to find the best greys instead of playing for a spot on the team. Also should we create a clan on Rev?

[powza]

Yeah.....~Greys Elite~ :p

[Soda]

I trashed that clan. :(

[powza]

Awwwwww...you suck

[XLR8ZN]

I really would like to participate but I don't have an account on Legends. That place is always full when i try to log on >.<

[pils]

How bout just FPS Grey Team

And XLR, don't worry... Its gonna be dropless. So it doesn;t matter.

[KickAssPlaya]

I am in, but I will be playing my games to find the best greys instead of playing for a spot on the team. Also should we create a clan on Rev?

I don't make it, do I? :(

*jumps soda as much as possible* :p

I am in if people think I am good enough otherwise it's all good. :) FPS > legends. ;)

~KAP

[XLR8ZN]

How bout just FPS Grey Team

And XLR, don't worry... Its gonna be dropless. So it doesn;t matter.

That's awesome! I just gotta check the main thread for when it starts!

[Anarchy_United]

Sign me up, but I doubt I'll make it.

[gigolojlo gl]

FPS style:
Dropless, the following units are allowed:
Knight (x3)
Enchantress (x1)
Dark Magic Witch (x1)
Pyromancer (x1)
Lightning Ward (x1)
Barrier Ward (x1)
Scout (x1)
Assassin (x1)
Cleric (x1)

Shouldn't it be Pyromancer (x2)?

[XLR8ZN]

i agree it should be 2 pyros. and sign me up:
XLR8ZN(forums) ]TDP[ Manolito(Armageddon grey)

[xFalconx]

Once you guys get these rules settled, Im game.

Ill be using xEaglex on Banff and/or Legends.

[Soda]

Nice to see you Eagle.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Give Blud a break about the pyros, he doesn't play gray that much :P

[The Wild]

I'll join, it'll be a good experience for me playing all you people.:)

Ps. Name will be Teh Wild, on banff.

[xFalconx]

Iv never been part of a tourny before, though im gonna need mucho practice before im in shape. Legends drops and goldness has spoiled me sour.

[pils]

edit: what?!?!??!?!

[Mithrandir]

Omegashin said that we should wait till the turtle tourny is over before we do another FPS vs Legends thing.
I agree with this.

Lets get a team together though on rev or something. That way we can train, and be ready before legends even knows what hit them.

Yeah, that would have been a brilliant idea through PMs. Considering people on legends read these forums though...noob.:p

[pils]

edit post please :rolleyes: :D

[Stiven]

sign me up plz. i have account in legends as Stiv and fps with the same name :D

[Nitanius Nolund]

Sign IROK up please

[ףStrifeף]

Sign me up as Strife thanks blud.

[Hatchet Warrior]

we'll know what hit us since I am going to organize and run the legends tourny while I still stop in here...

[Bottle]

Hatchet, leave the organisation of this to the mods. :p

I will be organising this for Legends, probably with Hatchet's help if he insists on it. I'll take a straw poll of who would be interested and whether they want to allow Legends drops, and get back to blud to negiotiate a middle ground. While you guys may say "If we use Legends drops it's unfair on us because we're not used to it", I can immediately counter with "If we use dropless it's unfair on the Legenders because they rarely play dropless grey". So I'm sure a reasonable compromise can be reached that will find the best greys rather than who is most comfortable with the set limits.

[Hatchet Warrior]

fine...I thought you wre no longer a mod though? o.O

[Taj]

I'll play :)

PM me if you want to play. I will play w/ drops since I am from legends and all..

[Mithrandir]

While you guys may say "If we use Legends drops it's unfair on us because we're not used to it", I can immediately counter with "If we use dropless it's unfair on the Legenders because they rarely play dropless grey". So I'm sure a reasonable compromise can be reached that will find the best greys rather than who is most comfortable with the set limits.

Not good enough. Legenders HAVE dropless units and CAN play dropless games. FPS greys do not. Golds could try in theory but good luck going to rev and trying to convince someone to play you a legends style grey game.

[Hatchet Warrior]

I can do it right now since rev is full of legenders.

[pils]

Even still, that just brings us to the point that most of the Rev people are GOLD. Therefore most of which play GOLD games. Not grey.

And so with that a large number of those people wouldn't be on the team anyways. Where as the people who would be on the FPS grey team are almost all accustomed to dropless.

I think an even medium could be found though. Possibly 3 matches between each player

1 "FPS style" dropless, 1 "legends style" drops (I would say, one of each?), and then maybe 1... "no frost" game or something like that... for a tie breaker.

Just brainstrom a bit... a 3rd type of game could be thought up.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Everyone vote for no drops in the Legends thread ;)

[pils]

Yeah your right... like i said over on LF
Even though gold drops can be obtained over at legends it doesn't change the fact that they are still GOLD UNITS.
This should be dropless or nothing.

If legenders can't handle that we pwn with dropless, and they insist on using their nub drops.
We win by default.
:p

[Hatchet Warrior]

pils...shut up.

As I have said before...if you don't like the rules then don't participate.
No-one cried about the legends turt and fps turt so why cry now?

[pils]

Because legends turt and FPS turt is different. The fact that FPS is given an extra unit can't be helped.

And im not crying about a damn thing here. Calm down. I said myself that i don't really give a shit, maybe not directly but hey i am now!

It still stands though, that frosts, beasts, muds, and furgons are still gold units. Its not a grey game while using them.... its pretty much half grey/ half gold.
Grey tournies should be played dropless anyways... everyone knows that. Drops are for noobs.

And hey, what rules have been made? None... nothing for this tourny is set in stone, and is all still up for discussion.

[Hatchet Warrior]

They are grey units on legends since they are dropped to us.

[pils]

Just because they are droped doesn't make them grey.
Hence the reason it says *somewhere*
"Legends server has gold drops."

[Taj]

I agree with HW. They are two different styles from two different servers. If you don't want to play with drops, don't play at all..

[pils]

Ive already expressed that *I* will play with drops.... but it still doesn't change the fact that its not a grey game when you use a golem or beast.

[powza]

One game FPS dropless

The other game limited legends drops. 1 beast, 1 golem, limited gold grey units, etc, etc

Seems fair

[Geeky_Bastard]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/696/rukabd4.jpg

What now bitch.

Edit: Powza that isn't fair because some people have NEVER used those drops. It's not fair at all.

[Hatchet Warrior]

thats why we are waiting until after the turtle tourny...you will have time learn the units.

[Geeky_Bastard]

That's crap. Legends people have been using those units for months and years. You expect us to learn them in weeks? I've never even used beast or furg in a gray game and I've played there quite a bit.

Edit: I've only ever used a frost for less than a week in gray games.

[DIGID]

Anyways, when Legends was up everybody was voting that the whole thing should be completely dropless, so I think everything should be dropless. I signed up in the Legends thread.

[powza]

gah...legends are nubs

I signed up for their forums but it wont let me vote.

Id love for it to be completely dropless Geek, but I think we have to make some concessions for them.

Perhaps limit drops to a max of 1 standard grey drop and 1 gold drop. Ill play vs them dropless anyway, but at least they are limited and cannot use 3 frosts etc..

What do yyou guys think?

[Maverik07]

Eh, i tried legends, but i didnt like the whole gold units for greys thing, its a VERY different startegy. However, if it is a best of three thing, i think it should be one dropless, one limited legends drop game (meaning one br, one frosty, one muddy, one furgy), and i think the tie-breaking game should be dropless, seeing as dropless requires more skill than with drops, i would say.

[pils]

Yeah mav i think that too.
Or else just ONE or possibly 2 drops would be exceptable..

Because someone with a beast rush, with mud and frost.. thats pretty much gold on grey.

Even the good players on legends know how nubbish some rushs are over there because any grey can obtain units good enough to make a cheap rush....

I say we comprimise with one, maybe 2 gold units for *one* game.
And like Mav said, the other two dropless.

[powza]

3 games

1- Dropless
2 - Limited grey only drops (maybe 1 grey drop allowed)
3 - Limitede grey and gold drops (maybe 1 gold drop and 1 grey drop allowed)

This should keep everyone happy...and then u get 3 games so you have a definite winner.

This is my opinion

[pils]

I wouldn't mind that...
How bout a poll?

[Soda]

Dropless 4tw.

[XLR8ZN]

I tried playin on Legends the other day and I played guys with gold drops and I had a dropless account since I play on Legends once in a blue moon. I think I had a better chance if I had my gold account there than my dropless grey. People are right when they say that style of play is completely different. FPS greys are at a huge disadvantage and this really can't be settled by a grey v. grey tourney.

It would better off if the FPS servers have their own tourny and Legend greys play against Legend golds and FPS greys. This way everyone has had their experience with the units they've won and units given to them. I don't care, as long as I get a Legends account that gives me access to whatever my opponent has, I'll play. I just feel bad for greys who have never used gold units and expect them to know what kills a unit even if the cleric heals.

[Bottle]

Because legends turt and FPS turt is different. The fact that FPS is given an extra unit can't be helped.
Pils, Legends grey and FPS grey are different too. he fact that Legends has a few extra units can't be helped. :wink2:

Anyway, the initial poll on Legends won't matter, it's just testing the water. When the team is chosen, their opinions will be what matters. And we shall have to form a compromise in the same way that meat and Omega compromised on the alpha/Legends turtle rules.

Might I remind all those claiming that it's unfair for Legenders to be able to use frost and mud drops that you'll ALSO be allowed frost drops and mud drops? Just find people who are skilled enough to handle it, in the same way we're going to need to find some greys that are skilled enough to handle playing dropless (which they're not used to).

[Geeky_Bastard]

If there MUST be a drop game then it should be very limited and the tie breaker should be dropless.

Edit: No, all games should be dropless because we have no way of getting sufficient practise. Even if we practise with drops on rev we are practising against people who have little or no experience.

[BaxVarlet]

It's not big deal to have drops and no drops, in fact drops would be a compromise.

Must of the top greyer's on legends use 2 frosts or 2 BRs or a combination of the two. If we limit it to being able to only having one frost, and one BR, then both sides will have to compensate.

Don't know why you guys are making such a fuss, legend's greys depend so much on their drops we should win every dropless game.

[xFalconx]

Unlimited legends drops should never be part of the tourny, period. What if RKO21 joins? I doubt ANYONE in FPS has an acct that matches drops like that, which is unfair. It is easy to get grey drops, but legends drops are somewhat rare.

However, I propose 1 dropless and 1 limited legends drop game, with a tiebreaker being dropless. This makes sure that dropless grey has a slight advantage (it is a GREY tourny), while legends greys dont get completely bummed out. The 3 game system also reduces the luck factor of maybe one ridiculous game.

Posted from the LF btw ;)

Oh and many top players, like myself, ac, and karlson, regularly use 2 cler 1 frost 1 beast...so we'd have that advantage. Though my proposal seems fair enough.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Wow, you guys just went over what I said about 50 times.

[Nitanius Nolund]

My 2 cleric, beast, and mud form dubbed "Those Who Ride With the Dawn" (yes I know I named my story that too) will own y'all :p

[Zander]

Wow, you guys just went over what I said about 50 times.

Don't you wish you had that kind of skill?:victory:

[xFalconx]

Oh, I know Hatch. But the best way to get a point across is...

Repetition Repetition Repetition

:P

[Geoffrey]

Why not this


10 no drop greys.
10 Drop greys?


Our 10 play their 10 dropless.
Other 10 play their 10 with drops.

[Geeky_Bastard]

No way in hell. Their best drop grays would murder us with ease. They've played a long time with many drop combos and everything. They know how to use drops and how to play against them. Most of use do not.

[pils]

I think we should make a poll on these two options:

2 dropless games, drop game for the tiebreaker
OR
1 dropless game, 1 grey drop game, one legends drop game
best of three wins.

Those two options seem like the best choices and seem reasonaable to both sides, although if any gold drops are allowed AT ALL legends will have the advantage.
Even still i think if we make a team on Rev we can and should practice with frosts and muds, n' such.


Who here can still make a clan on rev?
I'd like to start a team NOW. Legends is already making there team... they already have the advantage. We need to start training. We can worry about the official team later. For now we just need to train our gold drop skills.
Please contact me by PM if your interested in helping me settup this team.
SInce it looks like no one else is going to do it.

[Wolfman]

Pils, Legends grey and FPS grey are different too. he fact that Legends has a few extra units can't be helped. :wink2:

Anyway, the initial poll on Legends won't matter, it's just testing the water. When the team is chosen, their opinions will be what matters. And we shall have to form a compromise in the same way that meat and Omega compromised on the alpha/Legends turtle rules.

Might I remind all those claiming that it's unfair for Legenders to be able to use frost and mud drops that you'll ALSO be allowed frost drops and mud drops? Just find people who are skilled enough to handle it, in the same way we're going to need to find some greys that are skilled enough to handle playing dropless (which they're not used to).

hmmm... sounds like bot (the FPSer turned legender now) tryin to convince how balance are the skilz n game balance of the ppls of both FPS n Leg server...... which we all know..... blah.... they aren't.

so if this tourney is playable?

why not??

Go FPS.... go play the leg guys... u might just end up playing against Bot (one of the best grey wolf ever know).

wolfy

[Nitanius Nolund]

I've never played Bottle, though I've heard his reputation.

If you wanted a fair compromise for the use of Legends drops you could simply use

1 frost golem
1 beast rider
1 furgon
1 mud golem


I would also say no more than 1 of each drop, meaning no more than 2 clerics or 2 witches. Bombs aren't skills, as will be proven in each individual tournament in deciding the teams.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Wolfy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: If any gold drops are used then we are at a disadvantage. However if there are gold drops then it should be no more than 1 of each kind and 2 no drop games.

I saw someone suggest no more than 2 total drops in a game and that sounds interesting.

Wolfy are you going to play in this?

[Ninai]

Should I join FPS grey tourney, Legends grey tourney or both :p ?

I think 1 dropless game and 1 gold-drop game with dropless game is fine.
Legenders play dropless there if they make some new accounts,but we dont play gold-drop grey here. Thats why.
1 of each gold drop seems to me like fine choice.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Meh, there is NO way there will be an even playing field if any drops are allowed.

[powza]

Let legends have an unlimited drops game......

Just as long as 2/3 of the games are in our favour.....

Let them stomp us with a unlimited gold set.
We then stomp them dropless..

Deciding game = very limited grey drops

Result = FPS ftw!!!!

[~SlayeR~]

I can't play grey with drops for crap. :-P

Well atleast I think I can't. :-|

[Ninai]

Legenders are deciding on their forums whether they will play non-drops or drops.
They have many good non-drop players ..

[~SlayeR~]

They have many, we have more.

[pils]

I'm trying to reach a compromise with Bottle, and legends over there.
This thing won't start for a few months, so we have some time.

[Bottle]

Legenders are deciding on their forums whether they will play non-drops or drops.
They have many good non-drop players ..
No, we aren't. I have made an poll which has proved inconclusive (once you take off the 13 votes by FPS members... what is wrong with you guys?) and in any case, it's going to be what the final team of 15 players requests that I ask blud for. The terms won't be agreed on for a while yet. So stop panicking.

By the way, many of our top greys only play dropless too. That's why we're waiting to see what style they want to play before negiotiating with blud.

By the way, I find it hilarious that you guys are assuming you'll win every single dropless game. :D

[Geeky_Bastard]

No, we aren't. I have made an poll which has proved inconclusive (once you take off the 13 votes by FPS members... what is wrong with you guys?) and in any case, it's going to be what the final team of 15 players requests that I ask blud for. The terms won't be agreed on for a while yet. So stop panicking.

By the way, many of our top greys only play dropless too. That's why we're waiting to see what style they want to play before negiotiating with blud.

By the way, I find it hilarious that you guys are assuming you'll win every single dropless game. :D

Well since you are a TAO traitor! We may lose one...

[Bottle]

I actually don't mind who wins the turtle or the grey tournament, I'm just looking forward to playing you guys again. :)

[BaxVarlet]

Maybe some FPSers are going to try out for the legends team, you can't get rid of their votes.

[Bottle]

They can if they like, it won't make the slightest bit of difference because, as I keep saying, that poll won't have much bearing on what I try to negiotiate with blud.

[allstarGL]

As long as everyone is on an equal playing field it doesnt matter what you negotiate. Just dont allow rare drops unless you can provide accounts that fps players can use that have them. I'd personally like to see a dropless tourny as most would, but I can understand you wanting drops. It should work out fine either way as long as their are proper accounts provided to play on. Even if that means playing on rev so you can use drops.

[Geeky_Bastard]

As long as everyone is on an equal playing field it doesnt matter what you negotiate. Just dont allow rare drops unless you can provide accounts that fps players can use that have them. I'd personally like to see a dropless tourny as most would, but I can understand you wanting drops. It should work out fine either way as long as their are proper accounts provided to play on. Even if that means playing on rev so you can use drops.

It's still not a equal playing field then because the Legenders have LOADS of experience with drops under their belts. Most of us have none.

[allstarGL]

Take this next month to go get yourself an account on legends and play with drops...I'm sure you already do but you get my point.

While they're playing with drops over there we're playing without here. Makes it seems even to me.

Like I said as long as we have use of accounts with just as many drops as them, we can't complain we have to play their style too.

[Taj]

If anyone wants to start to train for this PM me and we can play some games together.

[xFalconx]

Would I be allowed to tryout for both teams? :confused:

[pils]

If anyone wants to start to train for this PM me and we can play some games together.

I'm trying to get a clan started, with bludz, so we can train.
Do you have a rev account?

[Taj]

Not yet, but I am good at begging.

How do you think I got those 3 double gold legend accounts? :p

[Bottle]

It's still not a equal playing field then because the Legenders have LOADS of experience with drops under their belts. Most of us have none.

Yes, but the Legenders on the team that mainly play drop games and therefore have LOADS of experience at it won't have as much practise as you in dropless, so you have LOADS more experience at the dropless games that you're insisting on having. Swings and roundabouts, Geeky.

But if you want to give us the perfect excuse in the unlikely event that we lose, then go ahead, insist on dropless games only. Noob. :p

[bludhoundz]

Just for a clarification.. I am not involved in organizing the legends vs FPS part.

I'm simply willing to help organize the FPS half in tourney or clan form, if needed (since I was asked).

Good luck figuring this stuff out. If you guys need me, just send me a PM, or those of you who have my aim can IM me about it (preferably not on a schoolnight though).

[pils]

Yeah, if its ok with you guys I'll take the responsibility of organizing this between legends and FPS, I am quite active on both forums. So it won't be to tough.

Thanx Bludz for the help.
Just to let everyone know, there will probably be a clan by the end of the weekend.
So if your interested try and obtain a Rev account, and keep a close watch.

[Wolfman]

I actually don't mind who wins the turtle or the grey tournament, I'm just looking forward to playing you guys again. :)

does the abovementioned sentence include wolf?

bah... n geeky.. wolf aint playing no tourney..... cuz wolf hates to draw with bot again in the finals :P

sup suxkers?!?!?! (you know who u are :P)

wolfy

[allstarGL]

cant this wait for the turtle tourny to be at least near ending?

[Soda]

We are not starting anything, just getting a team together.

[allstarGL]

thats what i meant. I dont want too be trying to get on a grey team while im focusing myslef on turtling.

[pils]

Don't worry theres no rush.
The [grey] tourny won't begin for a few months.

Do your turt thing. When your done come on over to the FPS grey team.
No rush what-so-ever.

Everything as of now is just for fun, and to get a feel for gold drops/strategy.
BUt there will still be plenty of time for all that after the turt tourny is over.

[allstarGL]

Turtle tourny is over.

Lets get this party started!

[BaxVarlet]

Super!

[Maverik07]

Its on. Is this going to be run similar to the Turt tourney? with the whole clan thing, posting wins, descriptions, and what not

[Army Of One]

Pyromancer (x1)

Why x1? You start with 2. And ill sign up.

[gigolojlo gl]

I already pointed the pyro thing out and once again, I will sign up. I just hope Bludz wakes up (or somebody else takes charge).

[Maverik07]

Yea, i vote that someone else starts this thread, maybe allstar or bax, who are more active than bludz can be.

[Army Of One]

I already pointed the pyro thing out and once again, I will sign up. I just hope Bludz wakes up (or somebody else takes charge).

Sorry gig, i didnt feel like reading nine pages of "ill join" =\

[MicSpor]

I'll help run this if Bludz or anyone needs help.

[Geoffrey]

I think we split this up into.

Dropless FPS Grey.
Legends Grey with limited drops ie 1 Frost, 1 BR, 1 Furg etc.

Just like they did with the turtle tourney.

[BaxVarlet]

Legends (Bottle) wants to wait until mid-june to start this...

[Maverik07]

To start the actual tournament part, which leaves us about a month for our selections.

[BaxVarlet]

To start the actual tournament part, which leaves us about a month for our selections.

No, he plans to start picking their team then.

[Maverik07]

and whats his point in waiting a month and a half to start picking teams?

[MicSpor]

We need a brake from big tourneys. We also want to wait for summer so people don't have finals and more active people.

[OFFLINE]

are there any spots still open? cause i would maybe want to join

[pils]

Hasn't even started yet :)

I can jump on rev right now, and give you an invite to the clan.
But you will still have to prove yourself later on, if you want to *stay* in the clan.
~~~

Count me in... I will be participating with mod-teamusa (maybe pils... if I can get it golded soon)
I also think that you should make room for 15 participants, rather than 10.

[OFFLINE]

ok ill get on rev

[Maverik07]

I dont think we should start the tourney until summer, i agree there, but i think we should pick the teams before summer, so we can start the tourney as summer starts, and finish before we have school again.

[Cannabis]

HP is also having a Grey Tournament. Sign up if you'd like!

www.setbb.com/hypnoticpersuas for details!

[kingedward]

If we havent started yet...then i would like to participate.

[Ninai]

Almost looks like somebody has completely forgotten on this. Anyway, if this tournament will be held, don't play it on hollidays. I'd like to participate and I will be on vacations.

[pils]

This tourny will be dropless.

Now you know. Now go get good at dropless.

[Bottle]

I don't think blud was going to limit it to 10 entries... he just couldn't be bothered typing up to 50 (which is probably the number of people who will apply for the team).

I am planning on forming a Legends team of 14 players and 3 substitutes, similar to the turtle tournament but with the extra subs (which I think we may need if people disappear like in the turtle tournament). Whoever runs the FPS equivalent would be wise to try to make a similarly sized team.

[Maverik07]

I wouldnt mind running the thing, but i would need to talk with you about the logistics and such.

[pils]

Well I don't meen to give off the wrong impression, but I been trying to plan this since I made the FPS grey team on rev a month or so ago.

But your welcome to help me, I just want to be a part of planning this.

and 14 w/ 3 subs sounds just fine, by me.

[Geoffrey]

Ill try out.

[solingro]

No offense but a mod should be running this.

[allstarGL]

I don't think blud was going to limit it to 10 entries... he just couldn't be bothered typing up to 50 (which is probably the number of people who will apply for the team).

I am planning on forming a Legends team of 14 players and 3 substitutes, similar to the turtle tournament but with the extra subs (which I think we may need if people disappear like in the turtle tournament). Whoever runs the FPS equivalent would be wise to try to make a similarly sized team.

Love the idea of extra subs. Clearly they will be needed if it's anything like the turtle tourny.

I think the most important thing we need to do now is decide who will organize this for fps so you and whoever it may be can work out all the specifics. So far pils and mav have stepped up and offered, I myself would also be willing help out with the organizing of the team.

Also we need to decide as a whole how we are going to go about picking the fps team. Are we going to do it like we picked the turtle team? Are we going to hold a single elim tourny, double elim...etc.

I think the way we picked the turtle tourny was flawed and I don't think we eneded up with the best possible team. I think that should be our goal above all else, to get the best most active team. We could always go back to the way the rev team was picked and have everyone vote for the 14 people they want to represent fps as well as 3 subs. If we did it this way some of the lesser known people will be at a disadvantage though so it's kind of not fair.

I think the best way to pick the team would be to have anyone that wants to be able to join the clan on rev. Then for the next month play games at their own descretion. At the end of the allotted time we have everyone's records posted as well as total record of your opponents to see how high of quality your opponents have been thoughout the process. I'd definately help with this as it's a little confusing. I got the idea from madden, basically its just a tally of all your opponents records combine.

heres a very basic example. It would obviously get a lot bigger.

player win/loss/tie/opponents combined record

allstar 2-0-1/ 2-3-1
pils 1-1-1/ 3-2-1
bludhoundz 1-2-0/ 3-1-2

After the tryout time is over. Everyone who tryed out gets to vote for the 14 people they want on the team. The records from the tryouts as well as reputation (don't want any dape's on the team) can help make their decision. Then the 14 people who get the most votes are on the team and the people that get the 15,16,17th most votes get to be the subs. In case of a tie, the person with the best win% or most wins could get the nod.

I think this would work best but its only a suggestion, what do yall think?

[Maverik07]

Now that i think of it, we could also do it somewhat like how the allstars are picked for the NBA. The top five or so could be voted upon, with the remaining being chosen by record by the runners of the tourney.

[allstarGL]

I really don't like the idea of going strictly by record or having 12 of the 17 based on record. I really don't think it's a very accurate measure of who would be good for the team. It's much better when you get to play these people and judge their skill level for yourself, then you can vote for them to play beside you on the team. Trust me people will only want the best people representing us. The records will be their for people to judge still but the way luck can play a big role basing it strictly on record could be a huge mistake.

I know I'd be more likely to vote for someone with a good record, but at the same time if you had someone that you know has a lot of skill but has just been getting some rough luck combined with losing to some top notch players we will still get to have them on the team.

an example would be someone like worker going 3-5-1 during the selection time and then having some noob that has been getting lucky beating people end up going 4-4-1 and taking a spot that we would much rather have worker the better player getting.

[Maverik07]

I agree, but then it turns into a popularity contest. If it was all purely voting, im sure i would have no chance of making the team, but if it came based on records and such, i would have a much greater chance. I see what you mean about the whole voting thing though, but look what happened with the turtle tourney. We put in top players who were extremely inactive, which screwed us over, based on their past stuff. We also need people who are up to date in skill level, and can make the time commitment.

But i agree that maybe there should be some people voted in.

[allstarGL]

Yeah I tottaly understand. But then again, if it wasn't for my popularity there is no chance I would have made the turtle team this year. I was 1-2-0 in the tryouts for the team. I then went 6-3 in the tourny. So you can see where I'm coming from. The only person I can think of other then me that made the turtleteam based on his past reputation was monkus. Yes he was a little inactive but he hardly screwed us over. You also have the other case scenario where deepsea had a great record in the selection tourny but didn't really fare so well in the actual tourny. So there definately is arguements for both side.

We need more peoples inputs on this.
we could vote half in and go half by record, we could do anything really. Once we get more people's inputs we should start a poll with a bunch of options off the top of my head

single elim tourny
double elime tourny
vote everyone in
vote 3/4 of the team in, rest by record
vote 1/2 the team in, rest by record
vote 1/4 the team in, rest by record
go entirely by record
Appoint someone like we did with meat eater to pick the team

Those are pretty much our choices I think. I've given people enough to read for one night lol but I really think starting a poll with those options would be our best bet.

and if you havent noticed yet i've still got the bitter taste of losing to legends and I'm bent on winning this tourny :D

[powza]

What's wrong with winner of 2/3 no drops? That's how you find the best grays.
I agree

[bludhoundz]

I haven't really been browsing the tournament section, so I didn't realize this had come back up until .. well right now.

Anyway, I've had 2 ideas so far.

1. A reccomendation system.

Players have kind of a free for all where they can play anyone any number of times, but the goal is to play as many different people as possible. Records, of course, would be kept. After the free for all is closed, every player PMs the host (me I guess) a list of 3-5 players they think that should make the team. Not only will records and activity be taken into account, but reccomendations as well.

2. A free-for-all with a twist

Same as before, anyone can play anyone, but each player is assigned 3 specific opponents. They must play these opponents by the end of the decision tourney. If one of their opponents proves to be less active and thats why they don't play all 3, that's ok. The idea is that players show how active they are in planning games, not just sitting online waiting for an opponent. This has always been a problem in tournaments, and the more players who are good at arranging games, the more time zone differences that will be made up. Not only this, but it's kind of like a practice for the real thing (assuming it gets run the same way the FPS vs Leg turt tourney did).

If you guys have any critiques, I'm 100% open because this should be fun for everyone, and should have a system that everyone agrees upon.

Oh yeah, and Bottle is right. I didn't end the signups because I was going to restrict the # of participants, but rather because I didn't have time to. We want a large number of participants for the deciding tournament, and a smaller number for the team.

[kingedward]

Ill play, however you guys decide to do it.

[pils]

I agreed on the recommendation system with Blud, but really it should be up to all of you.
Just post what you'd like to see.

And it will be noted, and I'm thinking majority rules.... maybe....
3 reccomendations sounds sufficient, so that way it isn't all popularity.

I also like the idea of the "opponents combined record" being a part of the scoring.
We will probably start this up and officially running sometime next week. Once we get all the kinks out, and a solid plan is put into motion.
~~~

I am also very capable of communicating with legends, I'm more active there than I am here (but FPS is my home <3) Which is part of the reason I stepped up for this in the first place.
I'm not really sure how many other people will running this other than me/blud. But as for the organization thing EVERYONE can play a role. Just post your ideas, and what you have in mind. Trust me, we're reading... if you have a good idea, or one that will work. It will be noted... We want this to be as active, efficient, and fun as possible.

[kingedward]

So...we all play and 11 get in based on record and 3 on everyone voting, right? And how are we selecting the subs?

[pils]

Its not going to be as simple, as 3 people get in strictly off of votes.
Its going to be more like, say we have 12 solid members.

Then 3-5 people with around the same record, and same skill level. Based of who they beat, activity, votes, and a variety of other key factors 2 of those people would get in.

But even if every person that joins the try out tourny votes for the same person, that does not automatically get them in... (hypothetical situation...) they have to prove themselves too.

[~SlayeR~]

Looks like it's time for me to shake my rusty grey ass off.

[allstarGL]

I really like the idea of being assigned 3 people to play. But this recommendation system seems too much like it's all going to be up to whoever is running this to decide the team. I'd much rather just go very black and white with it and go strictly on votes for and best record. I'd like to see half the team be picked by votes and half by best records in this tryout. I think that would give us the best team possible. But I really think we should make a poll with the options.

[solingro]

single elim tourny
double elime tourny
vote everyone in
vote 3/4 of the team in, rest by record
vote 1/2 the team in, rest by record
vote 1/4 the team in, rest by record
go entirely by record
Appoint someone like we did with meat eater to pick the team


I can still think of more ways. Here's another interesting one. For example have the tourny organizer pick the team based on personal experiences and recommendations. Then players who are nominated by others can challege who they think the weakest player is and play best 2 out of 3. Once you challenged, that's your one shot. Once you've been challenged and won, you cannot be challenged again say for the next 2-3 challenges (so 2-3 other players will be challenged before you can be challenged again). This way people will be going after who they think is the weakest link. Just an idea.

[pils]

I would rather have a free for all...

First off, the tourny organizers only know *so* many players.
I don't doubt that they would choose a good team, but I don't think it would be the best possible either.
Then on top of that, making the deciding spot based around a few games would be time consuming and not very efficient.

It could go on forever, with people of equal skill taking other's spots because games are decided by luck.

Now on the other hand, the free for all would give a good idea of who are the best among the group, but wins wouldn't mean everything. Then with a little voting, an even better team could be chosen.

[Mithrandir]

You guys need to just pick a reliable tournament director or two and let them deal with it. I don't think the current opining is going anywhere.

[pils]

Then its probably gonna be Free for all, each participant votes for 3.

[bludhoundz]

Allstar, I don't understand what you mean by votes. If you could go into more detail, I could possibly incorporate it.

So far I'm thinking a free-for-all with each player also having 3 assigned players. We'll have to have some kind of signups for this though, after a little bit of finalization I think I'll make the thread.

I'd like to speak to pils (I've already been conversing with him), allstar (who seems very interested in getting it run well), and Mith (who's an excellent tournament director).

[Anarchy_United]

Oooh! ANd me!! I'm good at organizing stuff!! Now where did I place my to do list...

[allstarGL]

Were you not around for the rev team selection in 05 blud? Thats what I meant by voting. but i'll go into detail.

Everyone that joins this selection process should get a vote instead of anyone in the forums like the rev team had happen.

so say 50 people try out. You will be pm'd by 50 people with a list of however many people you deem fit to be voted in. Then you tally up the totals and whoever gets the most votes is on the team.

I'll give you an example.

We decide that 5 people will be voted onto the team and the rest will be by record in the tryouts.

So the 50 people all pm a list of 5 people

example of my ballet

Bludhoundz
Twelve
Monkus
Warcow
Crx

you simply take the people that get the most votes and add them to the team.

[Bottle]

example of my ballet

I wasn't aware you were a dancer, allstar.

[BaxVarlet]

I wasn't aware you were a dancer, allstar.

He'll be dancing circles around you come tournament time.

[allstarGL]

I wasn't aware you were a dancer, allstar.

He'll be dancing circles around you come tournament time.

:cool:

[Geoffrey]

No offense Allstar that is a BAD idea. We coulod miss out some very good greys with this 'system' We could also only add people due to their 'popularity' not their skill.

[allstarGL]

Im not saying pick the entire team that way. I would like to have half the team picked on a tryout then afterwords have the other half voted in. I think it would make sure we get the best possible team.

You obviously dont understand or havent bothered reading my other posts. I said we would have everyone's win loss records from the tryouts so you would have something to base your voting on. But most importantly is knowing how good a person is. Most people here know who the best greys are. If you play grey enough, you know who you want to be on a team so that we can beat legends.

I'm just saying that if we do the selection tourny and some of our best players didn't make the cut we will still be able to have them on the team because we can still have them voted in. I mean if someone killer like hoolwath try's out and just misses the cut I know for sure he should be on our team so I'd definately vote him in.

[pils]

Were you not around for the rev team selection in 05 blud? Thats what I meant by voting. but i'll go into detail.

Everyone that joins this selection process should get a vote instead of anyone in the forums like the rev team had happen.

so say 50 people try out. You will be pm'd by 50 people with a list of however many people you deem fit to be voted in. Then you tally up the totals and whoever gets the most votes is on the team.

I'll give you an example.

We decide that 5 people will be voted onto the team and the rest will be by record in the tryouts.

So the 50 people all pm a list of 5 people

example of my ballet

Bludhoundz
Twelve
Monkus
Warcow
Crx

you simply take the people that get the most votes and add them to the team.

We will probably be doing something a lot like this. But with 3 people, and votes will just be somehting that will help us make some decisions, not base our decison *completley* on votes.

But like you said, if someone beat hool in the records by just one or two games, or something like that... Yet a lot more people voted for hool, well then he would have a better chance at making the team.

The voting would help with those situations, with close calls. But it would not be the single determining factor, like what your saying.

I don't think that the best possible team would be chosen, if half of it came soley from votes.

[BaxVarlet]

Skill shouldn't be the only thing the team is based on. This team is representing FPS after all. I'd rather have well known decently skilled people representing us then a bunch of awesome no names that were randomly found.

(Of course the best option would be to have awesome, well-known people)

[allstarGL]

We need to have reliable people. People don't vote for people if they're not reliable.

[planktiffy]

i want to be in this if it ever gets oronized and actually happens

[pils]

Allstar is right, I would rather you guys vote for who you think deserves a spot the most. Not just your friends... it defeats the purpose, and are you really willing to risk FPS' reputation, just so your friend could be on the team?

And plank, you act as if this is chaotic and unorganized, the try out competition will be start next week.
FPS grey team is already made. :cool:

[bludhoundz]

Allstar, what you said is EXACTLY what I meant by reccomendations. I didn't mean there would be any subjective behind the scenes work by the directors.

Okay, pils. If we're going to start this next week, there should be a signup thread for who is going to join. I will make that now. During the week of signups, I'd like to have an open discussion about what format the tryout tournament should be in.

I think this open discussion should stay in this thread. So far some people seem to be leaning toward some kind of free-for-all with voting. Should the assigned 3 players be implemented? Should something be done to allow signups to continue even after the week is up (since we want to get this show on the road, but not exclude people)?

[pils]

I think yes, people should still be able to sign up after the week.
But make sure you let them know, that it would be best if they sign up then.
It would look better on their part, and it wouldn't be as much of a hassel.

Also, I think that maybe the voting should be at the end of the tryouts.
That way we can make our own decisions, then factor in what the rest of the team thinks.

[Esko]

I am interested in joining. If i can get time to get on. Grey is my best style, which aint saying much, but i guess i'm good?

[allstarGL]

OK if your going to assign three games to everyone you can't allow people to join after it starts. That would just be a mess. If we aren't getting assigned games then I don't see why you wouldn't allow people to join after, it would just make it less likely they will make the team i would think.

[pils]

OK if your going to assign three games to everyone you can't allow people to join after it starts. That would just be a mess. If we aren't getting assigned games then I don't see why you wouldn't allow people to join after, it would just make it less likely they will make the team i would think.

Yeah exactly.
I think we are going to go with free for all though.
Seems like the easiest, and best choice.

[bludhoundz]

OK if your going to assign three games to everyone you can't allow people to join after it starts. That would just be a mess. If we aren't getting assigned games then I don't see why you wouldn't allow people to join after, it would just make it less likely they will make the team i would think.

I completely agree.

So either we kick it back a few days or just don't implement the 3 assigned games, and only stick with votes.

I think maybe kicking it back anyway would be good because 1 week might not yield what we want. But its still up to consider, since we've already got almost 20 people signed up in less than a day.

[Cannabis]

I wish I was in this tourney. =P

[MicSpor]

You can still sign up, noob.

[pils]

I completely agree.

So either we kick it back a few days or just don't implement the 3 assigned games, and only stick with votes.

I think maybe kicking it back anyway would be good because 1 week might not yield what we want. But its still up to consider, since we've already got almost 20 people signed up in less than a day.

Yeah... I don't know. Like you said we have almost 20 people already, but maybe rather than a week, give it 10 days.
Anyone who we would want to be on the team better be active in a 10 day span.
Otherwise theres no point.

[Maverik07]

I think there should be a rule against campaigning for votes.

For instance, if someone is in a toss up between two people for a vote, and they cant decide who to pick for, i dont think that someones campaigning abilities should weigh in over who should make the team.
Any s/s of someone campaigning for votes or attempting to sway voters should result in some sort of penalty.

[bludhoundz]

Yeah thats a possible problem that may arise.

"If you vote for me I'll vote for you."

Stuff like that might happen. I'll think on it if we do that system.

[BaxVarlet]

Can't this work just like the selection of the turtle team? I'm not seeing a need to change it.

[I'malive24/7]

I think, with the voting thing, we could do a vote before any games played, to have the best greys (by what people think) on the team to start. then we could have a tourney like "challenge a certain member of the team, and you must take 2 of 3 grey games to replace them, 1 rematch allowed". Or something like it.

[Maverik07]

No,i dont like that idea at all.

[Hatchet Warrior]

I say we run this like a normal tourny. The top 14 + the 3 subs will be picked like that if we can get more people. If not, Round Robbin sounds fun. The top 17 will be the team.

[Maverik07]

You might want to re-check with bottle about the numbers for the tournament, i got the impression that he wanted to have less members than were in the turtle tourney, it was somewhere in this thread...

[Geoffrey]

Round robbin sounds good.

This shall be fun.

[Hatchet Warrior]

Last time I looked he said 14 players with 3 subs. I'll have to ask him about that since I should still be helping him with the legends side of this.

[Maverik07]

Nvm, you are right about the numbers (pg 10). I was thinking back to like pg 8 where bottle was talking about having a team of 15. Dont know where i came up with the number 10...

[solingro]

I can still think of more ways. Here's another interesting one. For example have the tourny organizer pick the team based on personal experiences and recommendations. Then players who are nominated by others can challege who they think the weakest player is and play best 2 out of 3. Once you challenged, that's your one shot. Once you've been challenged and won, you cannot be challenged again say for the next 2-3 challenges (so 2-3 other players will be challenged before you can be challenged again). This way people will be going after who they think is the weakest link. Just an idea.

I think, with the voting thing, we could do a vote before any games played, to have the best greys (by what people think) on the team to start. then we could have a tourney like "challenge a certain member of the team, and you must take 2 of 3 grey games to replace them, 1 rematch allowed". Or something like it.

Haha, copycat :p

And I don't like round-robin. Too many games to be played and we miss out on good players who can get 1 game in a week but not 10 games/week.

[Maverik07]

Thats too much of a one time thing. Sure it proves how you can play under pressure, but what if your luck is just off that game? Then theres nothing you can do about it. Also, what if you have an easy set advantage?

I like the idea of as many games as can be played, to prove activity and to prove well-roundedness. People should be forced to face more than one type of set, legends is not going to be made up completely of one type of set. The more games you play, the more experience you will get playing top-notch players with different styles and sets.

[pils]

Exactly what I was thinking Mav, and thats why it will most likley be a free for all.
Voting will probably be done at the end. Something will have to be done so that no cheating takes place....
The only thing I can think of is to narrow down the people that you could vote for.... like for the last 3 spots you have to choose between 10 or so people.

I don't know why anyone would want to sabotage their team like that, just so they can get on.. and lose it...
But i know people would.

[planktiffy]

so when is this "tryouts" gunna happen? cuz im interested and grey is im pretty sure my best style.

[FryLock]

Do it hybrid-style. We all have faith in blud. Besides, he's impartial (i.e., he's not competing). If he and another impartial person select 10 (or whatever) people for the team, and nominate 8 others (again, or whatever number) for the remaining spots, then perhaps people could vote on those 8 others.

This kind of covers all the bases - it allows relative unknowns to prove themselves through competition and get picked, while reserving some voting power.

I, personally, am not a fan of votes AT ALL, because things tend to get so screwed up. (I can also see some people making a bunch of accounts to vote for themselves, etc.). If it has to be all one way or another, I'd go with just putting my faith in blud.

[bludhoundz]

Problem is Fry, I don't have a great sense of the skill level of all the greys in the tourney.

[BaxVarlet]

Problem is Fry, I don't have a great sense of the skill level of all the greys in the tourney.

*slips blud a fiver*

[pils]

Problem is Fry, I don't have a great sense of the skill level of all the greys in the tourney.

I do.
I know theres no 100% way to trust me.
But believe me, I care about FPS more than I do my own personal glory.
I wouldn't just put myself, or random friends on the team just *because*

My intent is to bring FPS to victory.
I wouldn't do anything to change that.
Also I have a very good understanding of the amount of skill at legends.
I could probably list more than half the people that will be on their team. Thats why I made myself a part of this... I KNOW legends.

[Nutbuster692]

GO FPS...Bludz I signed up on the other thread...whens the tryouts?

[pils]

Soon. We are giving people some time to sign up.
Keep in mind I'm hosting this too, if you have any questions you don't have to bombard bludz. You can ask me too.

[bludhoundz]

I'm thinking we should just go with a simple free-for-all style tourney with no add-ons.

Nobody seems to agree wholly on the rest of the stuff, so let's make it simple. However, I don't think this discussion went to waste: these ideas can still be used for future tourneys (mostly ones based on a decision though).

[pils]

But votes could still come in handy.
Even if we don't use them at all for the final decision.

They could give us a feel for what the team wants.

[allstarGL]

I'm thinking we should just go with a simple free-for-all style tourney with no add-ons.

Nobody seems to agree wholly on the rest of the stuff, so let's make it simple. However, I don't think this discussion went to waste: these ideas can still be used for future tourneys (mostly ones based on a decision though).

Thats bullshit. There's only 4-5 people who have even given any input anyway. Everyone else really doesn't care what happens. So I'm sure we can agree on something. Nothing has really been proposed only different ideas thrown around.

I do care so you better pick a damn good team this way blud or I'm coming to your house to sleep with your mom!

[pils]

lolz
I don't think there is anything to worry about.
We will have a damn good team.
But i'd like a lil voting action, even if it isn't the deciding factor.

Oh, and blud, I use AIM MUCH more than MSN... thats your best bet for contacting me..
MSN is pretty much strictly TAO, so I'm, not always on.
Where as AIM i use for people i know too.

[allstarGL]

I'm 100% sure our team will look amazing on paper. But I'm just hoping we do this selection process in a way that ensures we get reliable people to play for us. Thats really the key to this. Getting members that won't abandon their games because they start off 0-4 or some crap like that.

Nothing I've really said has or will be implemented so I'm pretty much done giving my input on things. I'm just going to play my games now and let you guys deal with it.

I got dibs on running the fps vs legends freestyle tourny if we have one :p

[pils]

But things you've said have had an effect.
Believe me, they were not in vain. :)

[Nitanius Nolund]

I do.
I know theres no 100% way to trust me.
But believe me, I care about FPS more than I do my own personal glory.
I wouldn't just put myself, or random friends on the team just *because*

My intent is to bring FPS to victory.
I wouldn't do anything to change that.
Also I have a very good understanding of the amount of skill at legends.
I could probably list more than half the people that will be on their team. Thats why I made myself a part of this... I KNOW legends.

I think you and I both know who most of that team will be pils, and I've played the vast majority of them.

As to how his should be run, I'm with the round robin tournnament. Only problem with it is, you get people active in the try-out tournament and then disappear in the main one (eg. Deepsea in the Turtle Team). If I see a great idea, I'll state my views on it, but so far, the only one I've seen that I liked was allstar's voting one, but it would mean that you would need confirmation from the players being voted on that they will actually show up and play.

[pils]

Yeah, and we both know that FPS will pound them. :p

As for who we choose, we don't plan on letting history repeat itself.
We will have a few more subs this time, to cope with unanticipated inactivity.

[bludhoundz]

Thats bullshit. There's only 4-5 people who have even given any input anyway. Everyone else really doesn't care what happens. So I'm sure we can agree on something. Nothing has really been proposed only different ideas thrown around.

I do care so you better pick a damn good team this way blud or I'm coming to your house to sleep with your mom!

If you had PM'd me, maybe we could have arranged something... but I think for right now I'm just gonna set up a free for all.

Maybe a little bit in I will announce specific opponents randomly during the tournament.

[allstarGL]

So the people with the best records make the team? I just want to make sure I'm clear on things and everyone else is before we start. Or are you going to pick the team like meat did. All you said is we're doing a free for all tourny so you need to be more specific.

And pm'd you to arrange what? I've said everything I've wanted to already in this thread.


edit
All grey games will be dropless. Make sure to set a dropless form before playing, this is very important


You may play them multiple times, but I'm only going to record the first game between two players, and none after that.



Are we not going to be playing legends style too in the tryouts?

And that second rule is just plain stupid. It's going to make luck way more of a factor. People in certain timezones together like europeans will be screwed over by this too because they can only play the same people because they are the only ones on. I know when I was working nights I only saw the same handfull of people on when I was on. If you can only play them once it will look like your unactive because your not on when the others are.

[Maverik07]

I agree with allstar here about that second rule.

[kingedward]

one thing that prevents, though, is someone finding someone they beat almost every time and play them over and over again.

[Maverik07]

so? its not like we are being chosen purely on record. Bludz and pils will take into account if you can only beat one person repeatedly. Also, i assume weaker players will be eliminated as we go on, preventing you from doing that.

[Ninai]

The tournament has already begun, a bit too late to complain about rules.

[allstarGL]

Not complaining, pointing out some pretty flawed things. Not practicing or evaluating half of the style in this tourny is just plain stupid. So we get a team full of great no drop players that can't play legends style? It's good if you can't play legends style and can make the team but what happens come tourny time.

[bludhoundz]

Their team is a dropless team too. There is no "legends style." The FPS vs Legends tournament is going to be dropless.

As for the second part, I guess I can count multiple times. But I don't want one player beating the same other player over and over again. It inflates their record and deflates the other persons.

[allstarGL]

Holy shit! Thats the best news I;ve heard in a long time!


The first post in this thread has legends style still listed on it.

How bout capping it at playing each person 3 times max? That lets us play more games against guys we see alot but avoids inflating your record.

[pils]

Yeah, maybe allstar. Thats not a bad idea, because some games could be determined by luck or w/e....

[bludhoundz]

How bout capping it at playing each person 3 times max? That lets us play more games against guys we see alot but avoids inflating your record.

Oki.

[Cliche]

How bout capping it at playing each person 3 times max? That lets us play more games against guys we see alot but avoids inflating your record.


I'd even go as far as to say that three games with the same person is a bit excessive. There is no reason to count three wins against the same person other than the fact that it might make you look better. Two is enough, if you ask me.

[pils]

New rule:

People will be able to play eachother up to TWO times.

[stinkydog]

I'd even go as far as to say that three games with the same person is a bit excessive. There is no reason to count three wins against the same person other than the fact that it might make you look better. Two is enough, if you ask me.

agreed

[FryLock]

This was not the proper thread, sorry.

[bludhoundz]

There was a little discussion in the other thread about joining after the tourney started.

I'm ok with it, but I think there should be SOME cutoff.

[pils]

Yeah, I agree fully.
But we are only 2 days into this.

Cliche and -57- should be allowed to join.
Make the cutoff date.... May 25?

[Ninai]

Ive just decided to end the agony and made a table with (not-so-official) results on my own fist (on the paper), I have counted in Cliches and IROKs games.
Players should check out their win,lose,draw statistics and post if something is wrong.


unfinished games (I havent counted them in score):
gigolojlo vs. BlackSyphon (might be draw)
Bax Varlet vs. Monk-HPT
Nitanius Nolund vs. Rico Suave

Zanderx90(1-0-0)
wins- KAP

Frylock(6-0-1)
wins - Dj2006,Maverik07,AnarchyUnited,NitaniusNolund, Nutbuster692,stinkydog
draws - ~Slayer

Pils(4-6-0)
wins - Dj2006,kingedward,Maverik07,Rico Suave
loses - Cliche,dabooz, AFO, Nutbuster 692, stinkydog, Ninai

Cliche(instead of micspor)(4-0-0)
wins - pils,AFO,KAP, stinkydog(2 times)

Dj2006(2-7-1)
wins - SelekThar,stinkydog
loses - Frylock,pils,gigolojlo gl,AFO,KAP,Nutbuster 692, The Gold Master
draws - Offline

kingedward(0-7-0)
loses - pils,SelekThar,gigolojlo gl,Geoffrey,Nutbuster 692, Ninai

SelekThar(4-1-2)
wins - kingedward,Maverik07,Nitanius Nolund, ricardu
loses - Dj2006
draws - Geoffrey,Anarchy United

I'malive24/7(0-2-0)
loses - gigolojlo gl, ninai

gigolojlo gl(8-4-0)
wins - Dj2006,SelekThar,I'malive24/7,OFFLINE,Geoffrey,KAP,Nutbuster692,stinkydog,Ange lic-Hotfoxx,
loses - Maverik07,dabooz,Geoffrey,ninai

~Slayer~(0-0-2)
draws: Frylock,Geoffrey

Monk-HPT(0-0-0)

Offline(1-2-1)
wins - Nutbuster692
loses - gigolojlo gl,AnarchyUnited,AFO
draws - Dj2006

Maverik07(2-6-0)
wins - gigolojlo gl,Elemental
loses - Frylock,pils,SelekThar,dabooz,AllstarGL,ninai

dabooz(9-0-0)
wins - pils,gigolojlo gl,Maverik07,KAP,Nutbuster692(2 times),stinkydog,The Gold Master, Angelic-Hotfoxx

Geoffrey(5-2-2)
wins - kingedward,gigolojlo gl, AllstarGL,Nutbuster692,Angelic-Hotfox
loses - gigolojlo gl,The Gold Master
draws - SelekThar,~Slayer~

Anarchy United(4-1-1)
wins - Offline,KAP,Nutbuster 692, stinkydog
loses - Frylock
draws - SelekThar

BaxVarlet(4-0-0)
wins - kingedward, KAP,Nutbuster 692,stinkydog

BlackSyphon (0-0-0)

AllstarGL(3-2-0)
wins - Maverik07,Nitanius Nolund,The Gold Master
loses - Geoffrey,Nutbuster692

Draquist(2-0-0)
wins - KAP,Nitanius Nolund

Rico Suave(1-2-0)
wins - stinkydog
loses - pils,BaxVarlet

AFO(9-1-0)
wins - pils,Dj2006,offline, KAP, Elemental,Nutbuster 692, stinkydog,ninai,ricardu
loses - Cliche

KickAssPlaya(KAP)(2-10-0)
wins - Dj2006,Angelic-Hotfoxx
loses - Zanderx90,Cliche,gigolojlo gl,dabooz,Anarchy United,AllstarGL,AFO,Nitanius Nolund,Nutbuster 692, Worker (2 times)

Elemental(1-3-0)
wins - Nitanius Nolund
loses - Maverik07, AFO,stinkydog

Nitanius Nolund(2-7-0)
wins - KAP,Nutbuster692
loses - Frylock,SelekThar,AllstarGL,Draquist,Elemental,sti nkydog,The Gold Master

INUYASHA(0-0-0)

powza(1-1-0)
wins - stinkydog,
loses - The Gold Master

solingro(0-1-0)
loses - ninai

/\ DarkWarrior/\(0-0-0)

Nutbuster 692 (5-13-0)
wins - pils,Dj2006,kingedward,AllstarGL,KAP
loses - Frylock,gigolojlo gl, Offline,dabooz(2 times),Geoffrey, Anarchy United,Bax Varlet,AFO,Nitanius Nolund,stinkydog,The Gold Master,ninai

planktiffy(1-0-0)
wins - stinkydog

stinkydog(4-12-0)
wins - pils,Nitanius Nolund,Nutbuster 692,elemental
loses - Frylock,Cliche(2 times),Dj2006,gigolojlo gl,dabooz,Anarchy United,Bax Varlet,Offline,AFO,powza,planktiffy

The Gold Master(3-3-0)
wins - Geoffrey,powza,Nutbuster 692
loses - dabooz,AllstarGL,Worker

Worker(5-0-0)
wins - Dj2006,KAP(2 times),Nitanius Nolund,The Gold Master

skev21(0-0-0)
spencer 555(0-0-0)
P3NGUIN(0-0-0)
noda(0-0-0)

Angelic-Hotfox(0-4-0)
loses - gigolojlo gl,dabooz,Geoffrey,KAP

matt_s(0-0-0)

ninai(8-1-0)
wins - pils,kingedward,I'malive24/7,gigolojlo gl,Maverik07,solingro,Nutbuster 692,ricardu
loses - AFO

ricardu(0-3-0)
loses - SelekThar,AFO,ninai


editing tommorrow, good night:lazy2:

btw: How many points are for win, for lose and for draw?

[Anarchy_United]

Good job, now we can compare and you have who everyone played, which will be useful.

[Ninai]

Hm..
my kingedward has 0-7-0, yours 0-6-0
my AnarchyUnited has 3-1-1, yours 3-1-2
my powza has 2-0-0, yours 1-1-0
my Nutbuster has 5-13-0, yours 4-14-0
I have probably right everything.(as I have checked now again..)

[Cliche]

Just to let you know, Ninai, you left out Ricardu and yourself in my wins column. Oh, and I didn't play Stinkydog twice.

[gigolojlo gl]

I never played AFO.

[Ninai]

I never played AFO.

Just to let you know, Ninai, you left out Ricardu and yourself in my wins column. Oh, and I didn't play Stinkydog twice.

Checked and repaired. Cliche,I haven't seen any post with you and Ric playing, wasn't it played before you knew that you can participate in this?

I'm going to edit my post with results during the tournament.

[~SlayeR~]

Powza lost to TGM, not won.. If I remember correctly.

[dab00z]

dabooz vs TGM
winner: dabooz

[dab00z]

err its 5 am im a noob wrong thread

[Ninai]

Nevermind, I write slowly

[dab00z]

Wrong thread dabooz, this is for discusion, and I've decided to put sum of results here too. But the results should be posted to other one.

That's why I wrote sorry for posting in the wrong thread.... reading comprehension is g00t.

[Taj]

im going to join.

[pils]

Dude. I don't know where the hell you have been but your late.
PM bludz or something A.S.A.P.

Not sure if you missed the cutoff....

[gigolojlo gl]

I already talked to Bludz and he said Taj could join since today is the cutoff.