Official FPS vs. Legends Turtle Tournament Thread -- Battle of the Servers!

[meat.eater]

BATTLE OF THE SERVERS
TURTLE TOURNAMENT

Welcome to the Official FPS vs. Legends Turtle Tournament Thread! This tournament will test each one of these 30 players ability in the turtle variety of two different servers. The matches will be difficult; the reputations on the line. It is time to begin one of the most epic tournaments that TAO FPS or Legends have every seen!

Host: meat.eater
Co-Host: Elemental

THE RULES

BASIC RULES.

1. Location / Starting
1a. The tournament is to be held on the Revelations Server. All games must be played there.
1b. All games are to be played with the predetermined temporary gold accounts to prevent questioning as to the person playing the game.
1c. Any games not played on Revelations and with the temporary accounts will not count, except under extreme circumstances that must be cleared by myself first.
1d. The Tournament is to begin the first week of April and last 30 days. All games are to be played in the 30 day period. Games that are not played within 30 days will be acivity judged by the host to award an "activity win," or a "draw."
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2. User TOS
2a. Any violation of the TAO TOS will result in a disqualification from the tournament. All previous games played will be disqualified as well.
2b. Violation of TAO TOS will also result in the deletion of the temporary account of said user.
2c. Proven screenshot freud will result in disqualification for the entire team.
2da. Playing a game in a style not agreed upon or breaking the basic style requirements will result in a disqualification unless the user who commited the infraction surrenders immediately and corrects the problem.
2db. If the problem persists with the same player, warnings and disqualifications will happen.
2e. Players must be in the clans.
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3. Forum TOS
3a. Excessive flamings and trolling will result in the deletion of the posts and a warning to not continue.
3b. If flamings and trollings continue the user will be disqualified and teh rest of his games will be counted as losses.
3c. Flaming via PM or In-Game cannot, of course, be moderated by me if I am not present, but be aware that is the user decides they wish to screen shot the flamings, it can and will be used as evidence toward trolling.
3da. The host witholds the right to decide what excessive flamings and trollings are. He will delete posts he deems necessary to delete. He will not DQ a user without warning them first. If a deleted post is replaced, the user will be disqualified.
3db. If a deleted post is argued with toward host(s), the user will be disqualified.
3e. If the host(s) is flamed or trolled at all in the process, maliciously, the user will be disqualified.
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4. Problems - Team Relations
4a. All inner team problems are to be discussed within the clan. If they are proving to be too much, a host will be permitted to solve the problem in any way he deems necessary.
4ba. All outer team problems will be addressed in a Captain Meeting. The team is to discuss with the captain their stance on the issue and then both captains, and both hosts will discuss it.
4bb. All other members of the clan are to stay out of Captain Meetings with the most prominent punishment resulting in disqualification.
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5. Basic Format / Activity
5a. Each player will be assigned 5 opponents. He is to play each opponent twice, one in Legends Style, one in FPS Style.
5b. Opponents will be selected LIVE on Revelations on Sunday, April 1, 11:00 AM PAC.
5c. Games are to be arranged with opponents in this thread and VIA PM. When a game time and date is arranged, post it in this thread.
5da. If a player is not responding and is inactive and the active player is attempting to contact them, after 3 days of non-responding, the active player is to notify the host and his own captain via PM.
5db. The host will notify the inactive players captain of his inactivity and the captain will decide if he wishes to use a sub, or wait until (if) said player returns.
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6. Substitutions
6a. Each team is to select a substitute who will only play a maximum of 5 games.
6b. The Captain of the team will select when the sub needs to be used, if at all. This must be cleared with the host(s) as well.
6c. The substitute will play one GAME, not one OPPONENT. A sub is not permitted to play both games for one opponent.
6d. Substitutions are to be done privately within the team and with the host(s). Both teams could sub a player for the same game.
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7. Documantation
7a. The winner of each game is to document the win in this thread.
7b. Documentation format:
Game: Player A vs. Player B
Style: Legends/FPS
Winner: Player A
Screenshot: <url>
Comments: [Any additional comments you with to say about the game.
7c. Failing to document properly (as in: way off) will result in a warning.
7d. Failing to document properly again will result in a loss for that game.
7e. An ending screenshots is REQUIRED.
7f. Other screenshots (ie: lobby chat of designated game, beginning formations) are not required but reccomended.
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8. Player Scoring
8a. A win will result in 2 points for a player.
8b. A loss will result in 1 point for a player.
8c. A flawless will result in 2 points for the victor and 0 points for the loser.
8d. A draw will count as a loss for both players and each will be awarded one point.
8eb. A no-show without a sub will be judged accordingly. If a player is much more active than the other by teh end of the 30 days, he will be awarded an "activity win," worth one point. The inactive member will recieve 0.
8eb. If the players are even in activity but the game is never played, they will be awarded an "activity draw," 0 points for both players.
8fa. A disconnect is a loss unless the opponent agree's to replay. The person who did not disconnect scores 1 point, the disconnect 0.
8fb. If a screenshot is to be provided by the non-disconnect proving he has the upper hand, he will be awarded the win and the disconnect a normal loss. 2 points; 1 point.
8fc. This goes both ways for the competitors. It is reccomended that if you obviously have the upperhand and fear disconnects, you should screenshot it as proof for yourself.
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9. Team Scoring
9a. The player scores will be tracked and added up in the end.
9b. The team with the highest score will win.
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10. Prizes
10a. The winning team will recieve the ability to keep their temporary accounts (without a ticket system) on the Revelations server.
10b. The losing team's accounts will be shut down.
10c. The top scoring players overall will be awarded a TBA prize.

Any questions/ comments and concerns are to be posted here. This thread is to be used as a documentation thread, game organizing thread, and general discussion thread of the Tournament. Remember, it will be moderated at all time. When you have read this post please post in this thread "I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament" and sign it with your TAO name.

[meat.eater]

THE STYLES

LEGENDS STYLE

Basic Rules:
- No drops
- Opposite sides (Always set next to trash can)
- 1 scout allowed

Units NOT allowed:
Golem Ambusher, DragonSpeaker Mage, Pyromancer, Dark Magic Witch, Barrier Ward

Stone Golem Position:
-In one of the corners or at 1 square from the back row corner (infront, next to).
-It has to have at least 4 other units within stoning distance of the golem's original position.
-You are not allowed to move stone golem at first usage.

Other Unit Positions:
-No ranged unit is allowed in first row, with the exception of Dragon Tyrant.
-No unit is allowed from the central vertical line of field on.

FPS STYLE

Basic Rules:
- No drops
- Random sides
- 2 scouts allowed

Units NOT allowed:
Golem Ambusher

Stone Golem Position:
-Stone golem in the back row or second to back row corner.
-It has to have at least 4 other units within stoning distance of the golem's original position.

Other Unit Positions:
-All units must be in 6 adjacent columns, where one of those columns is next to a wall.
-No ranged unit is allowed in first row.
-All mages (Pyromancer, DragonSpeaker Mage, Dark Magic Witch) must be in the back 3 rows.

[meat.eater]

THE TEAMS

TURTLE TEAM: LEGENDS
CAPTAIN: OmegaShin
TAO Forum Name: OmegaShin
Revelations Name: -Luca-

*Zadico
TAO Forum Name: *_*_*_*_*_*_*
Relevations Name: Radamanthys

Punishment
TAO Forum Name: Punishment
Relevations Name: Punishment

Lord White
TAO Forum Name: Lord White
Relevations Name: Atrocitas of Niveus

Seoren
TAO Forum Name: -Seoren-
Relevations Name: Seoren

Ragnarth
TAO Forum Name: Ragnarth
Relevations Name: Ragnarth

Override
TAO Forum Name: Override
Relevations Name: Override

Manadragon
TAO Forum Name: Manadragon
Relevations Name: Manadragon

// Flash Demon \\
TAO Forum Name: Flash Demon
Relevations Name: // Flash Demon \\

Spit_Fire
TAO Forum Name: Spit_Fire
Relevations Name: Spit_Fire

s][nful
TAO Forum Name: Perfect
Relevations Name: s][nful

SUB: AC M!lan -NOT IN THE CLAN
TAO Forum Name: AC Milan
Relevations Name: AC M!lan

Scout of Doom
TAO Forum Name: -=Darkness=-
Relevations Name: -=Darkness=-

Bottle
TAO Forum Name: Bottle
Relevations Name: The Mouse Returns

King Cold'
TAO Forum Name: King Cold'
Relevations Name: King Cold'
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If you are not in the clan "TURTLE TEAM LEGENDS" on Revelations and are on this list, please contact OmegaShin and get an invite.

FPS TURTLE TEAM
CAPTAIN: Magician
TAO Forum Name: Magician
Revelations Name: ~Magician~

DarkFirePhoenix
TAO Forum Name: DarkfirePhoenix
Relevations Name: Fire Phoenix

Geeky_Bastard
TAO Forum Name: Geeky_Bastard
Relevations Name: Funky Goodness

Draquist
TAO Forum Name: Draquist
Relevations Name: Nogruf

FireBrand
TAO Forum Name: FireBrand
Relevations Name: XtravagenT

Anarchy United
TAO Forum Name: Anarchy_United
Relevations Name: Potato Ninja

Deepsea Warrior
TAO Forum Name: Deepsea
Relevations Name: DIGIX

WaCk-HeAd
TAO Forum Name: WaCk-HeAd
Relevations Name: Wackhead

Hoolwath
TAO Forum Name: Hoolwath
Relevations Name: Hawt-Oloh

Monkus -NOT IN THE CLAN
TAO Forum Name: Monkus
Relevations Name: Codename V

SUB: FryLock
TAO Forum Name: FryLock
Relevations Name: Zoolander

Bludhoundz
TAO Forum Name: bludhoundz
Relevations Name: Feral

Jonspen
TAO Forum Name: Jonspen
Relevations Name: Sharp North

Allstar
TAO Forum Name: AllstarGL
Relevations Name: allstarballer

IROK -NOT IN THE CLAN
TAO Forum Name: Nitanus Nolund
Relevations Name: TwinkleBerries
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If you are not in the clan "FPS TURTLE TEAM" on Revelations and are on this list, please contact Magician and get an invite.

The accounts "Codename V" amd "TwinkleBerries" have not been upgraded yet.

[meat.eater]

MATCH ORGANIZATION

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i225/evanthomas_97/matches.jpg

Several Notes:

1) Look up the forum names and Revelations names of the individuals you are listed to play. See: The Teams (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1140545&postcount=3).

2) Monkus's and IROK's accounts have not been created on Revelations yet. They will be made by Monday. Postpone your games with these individuals until after monday.

3) Please contact your opponents and arrange a time to play your games. Remember to cc me a copy. Have fun! This tournament starts NOW!

[meat.eater]

TURTLE TEAM: LEGENDS

OmegaShin l 2-0-0 l 2 l Bludhoundz - Legends; Anarchy United - Legends l 4

*ZADICO l 4-5-0 l 9 l Hoolwath – FPS; Hoolwath – Legends; IROK - FPS; IROK - Legends l 13

Punishment l 7-2-0 l 9 l Draquist - Legends; Magician - Legends; Frylock - FPS; Hoolwath - Legends; Hoolwath - FPS; Jonspen - Legends; Jonspen - FPS l 16

Lord White l 5-3-0 l 8 l Draquist – FPS; Allstar – Legends; Firebrand - FPS; FireBrand - Legends; Darkfire Phoenix - Legends l 13

OmegaSeoren l 4-1-0 l 5 l Geeky_Bastard – Legends; Anarchy_United - Legends; Frylock - Legends; Allstar - Legends l 9

Ragnarth l 0-0-0 l 0 l --- l 0

Override l 3-1-0 l 4 l Firebrand - Legends; Draquist - FPS; Draquist - Legends l 7

Manadragon l 3-3-0 l 6 l bludhoundz - Legends; Deepsea - Legends; Hoolwath - FPS l 9

Flash Demon l 2-4-0 l 6 l Wack-Head - Legends; IROK - FPS l 8

Spit_Fire l 1-5-0 l 6 l Draquist - Legends l 7

S][nful l 2-4-0 l 6 l Deepsea – FPS; Wack-Head - Legends l 8

-=Darkness=- l 7-3-0 l 10 l Draquist – FPS; Geeky_Bastard – FPS; Anarchy_United - Legends; Darkfire Phoenix - Legends; Frylock - Legends; Deepsea - FPS; Deepsea - Legends l 17

Bottle l 2-2-0 l 4 l bludhoundz - FPS; Magician - Legends l 6

King Cold’ l 2-1-0 l 3 l IROK - FPS; IROK - Legends l 5

AC M!lan (SUB) l 4-1-0 l 5 l FireBrand - Legends; Allstar - FPS; IROK - FPS; IROK - Legends l 9

LEGENDS POINTS: 130

TURTLE TEAM: FPS

Magician l 5-2-0 l 7 l *ZADICO - FPS; *ZADICO - Legends; Bottle - FPS; Spit_Fire - FPS; Punishment - FPS l 12

Darkfire Phoenix l 2-2-0 l 1 l Lord White - FPS; Darkness - FPS l 6

Geeky_Bastard l 0-2-0 l 2 l --- l 2

Draquist l 4-6-0 l 10 l Darkness – Legends; Punishment – FPS; Lord White -Legends; Spit_Fire - FPS l 14

FireBrand l 2-4-0 l 6 l AC M!lan - FPS; Override - FPS l 8

Anarchy United l 6-3-0 l 9 l Darkness - FPS; OmegaSeoren - FPS; Manadragon - Legends; Spit_Fire - FPS ; Manadragon - FPS; Spit_Fire - Legends l 15

Deepsea l 1-4-0 l 5 l S][nful - Legends l 6

Wack-Head l 3-2-0 l 5 l Manadragon – Legends; King Cold – Legends; Flash Demon - FPS l 8

Hoolwath l 1-5-0 l 6 l Flash Demon - FPS l 7

Monkus l 1-0-0 l 1 l *ZADICO - FPS l 2

bludhoundz l 4-3-0 l 8 l S][nful – FPS; S][nful - Legends; Bottle - Legends; Spit_Fire - Legends l 11

Jonspen l 0-2-0 l 2 l --- l 2

Allstar l 6-3-0 l 9 l *ZADICO – Legends; Flash Demon - FPS; Flash Demon - Legends; Lord White - FPS; AC M!lan - Legends; *ZADICO - FPS l 15

IROK l 2-7-0 l 9 l Flash Demon - Legends; S][nful - Legends l 11

Frylock l 0-3-0 l 3 l --- l 3

FPS POINTS: 122


CURRENT LEADER:
TURTLE TEAM: LEGENDS [5-06] : 128 - 121
TURTLE TEAM: LEGENDS [4-29] : 120 - 115
TURTLE TEAM: LEGENDS [4-20] : 98 - 93

[meat.eater]

GAME SUMMARIES

Game Summaries #1 (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1147500&postcount=367) -- 04/08
Game Summaries #2 (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1149177&postcount=499) -- 04/10
Game Summaries #3 (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1149178&postcount=500) -- 04/10

Games Recorded (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1147502&postcount=368) -- 04/08
Games Recorded (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1149179&postcount=501) -- 04/10

[Deepsea]

"I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament"

~DIGIX

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

How many people will be playing from each server?

[Jonspen]

"I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament" - Jonspen

[Deepsea]

How many people will be playing from each server?

15.

[Bottle]

Why am I not on the list of Legends players? You silly goose, meat. :p

Oh yes, I agree to the terms, except the one about flaming the host. :wink2:

[bludhoundz]

I agree to the terms.

[Punishment]

So me possibly getting disqualified is in your and elementals hands only? Nobody on legends has a say? :p

I agree to the terms.. i guess.

[bullcat0]

Well I am getting a good laugh out of this one.

[meat.eater]

So me possibly getting disqualified is in your and elementals hands only? Nobody on legends has a say? :p

I agree to the terms.. i guess.

Elemental and I are no longer involved with the FPS Team. We are a neutral party.

AKA: Cry about it a little more.

[Bottle]

Hooray, I'm on the Legends team at last. Only took half an hour of prodding meat to get it sorted. :p

[FryLock]

I agree to the terms.

I have an FPS-style game question. "No ranged units in front row." That includes dragon, yes? Because I know a lot of our team has been playing with front-row dragons. It'd be good to clear this up.

[Bottle]

The rules need to be very clearly stated. For example, I know Alpha rules doesn't allow units to be deployed in the middle column of the board, but can I not even put my furgon on the back row in the middle of the board? Pwease?

[-=Darkness=-]

Hmm, okay. I read all the rules and everything.

Meat, all of the Legenders know already that I cannot take screen shots. it has been a problem in recent tourneys. I would like to agree with my oponent that if i win or he wins we both agree to say on the forums the winner of the match( This is only for me if i win, they could take s/s's if they want, but if they need the same, i will do it)


Thank you

~Darkenss:D

Those who negged me btw are noobs. i did not do anything to get negged yet still some neggage coming.
"Boo"
"."
"I dont liike you either"

[Flash Demon]

I agree to the TOS and gameplay.

~// Flash Demon\\


Is this thread supposed to be for tourney players only , or anyone?

[-Dape-]

I agree to the TOS and gameplay.

~// Flash Demon\\


Is this thread supposed to be for tourney players only , or anyone?

Its a public forum...its for anyone.

[Flash Demon]

I was just wondering if there was going to be another thread for discussion for anyone, to keep this thread clean for easy viewing.

[FryLock]

The rules need to be very clearly stated. For example, I know Alpha rules doesn't allow units to be deployed in the middle column of the board, but can I not even put my furgon on the back row in the middle of the board? Pwease?

Seems like the rules are pretty clear on that point...you even say so yourself. NO units in the middle column. I don't see any exception for back-row furgons. ;)

And like Dape said, this is a public forum...which unfortunately means he'll be one of the top posters in this thread, with his worthless spam.

[Magician]

I agree to the ToS and gameplay (Though I'd prefer backrow stonies! :wink2:)

Chill: PM either myself or meat your new account for the tourny, and get an account in the clan!

~Magician

[AlabamaBoy]

CHILL is gone. I talked to him, he is mad about AL leaders leaving.

[Magician]

Gone... forever gone? :huh: Pray thee, tell. PM me with what you know, please.

~Mag

[AlabamaBoy]

With zeal.

[Taj]

He is going to WoW. Or that's what I heard.

Edit; To whoever asked me hwo I knew about chill, I know because I read it and talked to him before on AIM.

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

He is going to WoW. Or that's what I heard.

...god i hate that game

The makers of it should die

[Hoolwath]

"I agree to the bla balb balblala bla" - Hool.

[Deepsea]

...god i hate that game

The makers of it should die


A game is a game. An opinion is an opinion.

[allstarGL]

"I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament"

-allstar

[OmegaShin]

I agree on the terms, however meat, i asked you yo start it the second week end of april not the first simply because due to my marriage organization and work it is almost impossible for me to be active this week. Same goes with a few of our members. I believe that i will name ac milan as sub since he is quite inactive lately.

I'll be on msn tonight so we can arrange the pairings thing better and decide on the start toghether.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I don't agree with the terms.

I thought most of us agreed we only wanted back row turtles in the FPS rules?

I've never seen a proper discussion about it, and I assumed it would be accepted.

I'll PM Magician. I hope there's still room to change one or two little things.

It would go along fine with Shin's change of the dates, because if we agree on the changes and it does cause any trouble to anyone they'll have a week more to practice...

Good.

Oh!

Welcome Legenders, I'm sure this is going to be great.

And Darkness, I'm sure it's not a problem you won't be able to take a screenshot. All games should and probably will be played honorable. It won't be an issue. (you'll just lose all your games by default, but that's not a problem!)

:bigsmile:

[Magician]

Ohhh, I overlooked that. Yes - I would like to see the FPS turt games played with stone golem in the back row (as have alot of the players I've spoken to over the past few weeks).

Apart from that, all good. Giving the extra week isn't a bad thing either, especially if a few Legenders can't make it. Also, I'm not sure how active I can be this week. So, yeah. Postponing for a week isn't a bad thing. :bigsmile:

Wack: 5-0, 5-0. Alright? :p Think you can manage it? :p

~Mag

[-Dape-]

I stated the back row stoney rule when i was trying out for the FPS team, but i guess the advantage is given to legends in both styles.

[Magician]

I stated the back row stoney rule when i was trying out for the FPS team, but i guess the advantage is given to legends in both styles.

It's been in the air for a while, Dape. I sent a PM around a couple of weeks into the tourny, and have been talking to meat. about it. We'll see what happens - I hope it's all good. We could always force opp sides, but that's not so much fun. :wink2:

~Mag

[-Dape-]

It's been in the air for a while, Dape. I sent a PM around a couple of weeks into the tourny, and have been talking to meat. about it. We'll see what happens - I hope it's all good. We could always force opp sides, but that's not so much fun. :wink2:

~Mag

But thats not the point, legends play with stoney second row, against the wall or infront of cleric, by giving them Alpha rules there still getting an advantage even if its oppo sides, i think most of them play oppo sides.

[Magician]

Does that mean there's an open spot? ;)

Yes and no. If CHILL is in fact gone, then someone will be needed to replace him. However, it'll be someone who was in the turt tourny, and did well in it. :p Sorry!

But thats not the point, legends play with stoney second row, against the wall or infront of cleric, by giving them Alpha rules there still getting an advantage even if its oppo sides, i think most of them play oppo sides.

I know what you're saying. In fact, the Legenders I've played recently have all either had their stone in front of the cleric, or back row next to a cornered cleric.

I think back row stone should be a rule for the tourny. It's just a case of getting this implemented, and fast. I'll talk to Omega too if I see him, as well as meat.

Legends is set for forced opp sides. I don't see why we can't force a back row stonie. :wink2:

~Mag

[OmegaShin]

The choice of rules for your alpha style is up to you, just let us know in time. I'll try to be on tonight if possible ^^

[-Dape-]

I think FPS should have Alpha rules but with stoney back row put in place, not back row and 2nd row against the wall.

[Magician]

The choice of rules for your alpha style is up to you, just let us know in time. I'll try to be on tonight if possible ^^

Add me to MSN, please, Luca. mboycey_04@hotmail.com

Thanks,

~Mag

[Bottle]

I thought we had already agreed that the Alpha game would not allow stone in front of cleric? All the players from our team I've spoken to are aware of this.

I'm surprised we aren't having one game same side and the other game opp side. But, you set the FPS rules and we'll play by them.

[-Dape-]

I thought we had already agreed that the Alpha game would not allow stone in front of cleric? All the players from our team I've spoken to are aware of this.

Oh yes, are we having opp side games only or one opp side and one same side, or are we not organising sides at all?

FPS want the stoney back row only, not at the side against the wall, because legends play like that aswell so it would be an advantage to them in both styles which isn't fair.

[Magician]

I thought we had already agreed that the Alpha game would not allow stone in front of cleric? All the players from our team I've spoken to are aware of this.

I'm surprised we aren't having one game same side and the other game opp side. But, you set the FPS rules and we'll play by them.

FPS Alpha doesn't allow a stone in front of the cleric, Bottle. Silly goose! :wink2: 2nd row corner or back row only.

We'll be playing with stone golem back row, however, as there is too much of an advantage in same sides. Even Luca posted in our Tourny thread suggesting this.

~Mag

[WaCk-HeAd]

Yeah, we can't have those Legenders set up a same side rush hoping for sides.

Them being so desperate and all. :bigsmile:

[Bottle]

FPS Alpha doesn't allow a stone in front of the cleric, Bottle. Silly goose! :wink2: 2nd row corner or back row only.

We'll be playing with stone golem back row, however, as there is too much of an advantage in same sides. Even Luca posted in our Tourny thread suggesting this.

~Mag
Someone needs to read my post a little more carefully. :wink2:

Does this mean we're not allowed stone in second row corner, though? What exactly is wrong with that? I have a formation with the stone there that sucks in same side matches and rocks at opp side. :p

[-Dape-]

Someone needs to read my post a little more carefully. :wink2:

Does this mean we're not allowed stone in second row corner, though? What exactly is wrong with that? I have a formation with the stone there that sucks in same side matches and rocks at opp side. :p

Didn't you read mine clearly? It did state that FPS wanted theres to be alpha rules but with stoney back row ONLY.

[Punishment]

Didn't you read mine clearly? It did state that FPS wanted theres to be alpha rules but with stoney back row ONLY.

On the front page of this thread where the rules are stated it says 2nd corner or back row.

Dape, you are caring a lot about this for someone not even in the tournament..

[Magician]

Someone needs to read my post a little more carefully. :wink2:

Does this mean we're not allowed stone in second row corner, though? What exactly is wrong with that? I have a formation with the stone there that sucks in same side matches and rocks at opp side. :p

As do I, dearest Bottle. However, we will be playing FPS Alpha with a back row stone golem. :)

~Mag

[-Dape-]

On the front page of this thread where the rules are stated it says 2nd corner or back row.

Dape, you are caring a lot about this for someone not even in the tournament..

Meat needs to change it then doesn't he if the rest of the FPS agreed on back row stoney only for FPS rules, and i want it to be fair games.

[Magician]

meat quoted monkus' Alpha Rules. Just a simple edit is needed, as Dape said.

~Mag

[Bottle]

So now even monkus' Alpha rules, the standard accepted FPS laws for turtle, are not good enough for you because... of what? Why exactly are we only allowed a stone golem in 1 space on the entire board?

What you're basically saying is that both players have to start with identical formations, because there's only really 1 formation that can be used when you have stone there. I have a defensive-minded formation deisgned for opp side games that has a stone in the 2nd row corner, and now I have to use something else because you think that the only reason to put stone on second row in the corner is to rush?

By the way, in that case, I'll be asking Omega to postpone the tournament for a few more weeks because I've been teaching the Legends team how best to turtle with a second row corner turtle and half the team has only been practising FPS turtles with it there. We'll need lots more training time to adapt to the change of rules only a day before the tournament had been set to begin.

Edit: by the way, did FPS as a whole agree on the sudden change to the rules, or is it just Wack and Dape who speak for the entire rest of the team?

[Hoolwath]

So now even monkus' Alpha rules, the standard accepted FPS laws for turtle, are not good enough for you because... of what? Why exactly are we only allowed a stone golem in 1 space on the entire board?

Not 1. We offer a MINIMUM of 6 spaces for you. So you can basicly place it wherever. One could say. :cool:

And woot for you teaching Legends how to play the game. If I meet you on Rev I could give you a lesson or two that you could pass down.

[Magician]

So now even monkus' Alpha rules, the standard accepted FPS laws for turtle, are not good enough for you because... of what? Why exactly are we only allowed a stone golem in 1 space on the entire board?

What you're basically saying is that both players have to start with identical formations, because there's only really 1 formation that can be used when you have stone there. I have a defensive-minded formation deisgned for opp side games that has a stone in the 2nd row corner, and now I have to use something else because you think that the only reason to put stone on second row in the corner is to rush?

By the way, in that case, I'll be asking Omega to postpone the tournament for a few more weeks because I've been teaching the Legends team how best to turtle with a second row corner turtle and half the team has only been practising FPS turtles with it there. We'll need lots more training time to adapt to the change of rules only a day before the tournament had been set to begin.

Edit: by the way, did FPS as a whole agree on the sudden change to the rules, or is it just Wack and Dape who speak for the entire rest of the team?

This whole issue has been running for the past few weeks, Bottle. Arguing that 2nd corner stone are more effective in same sides (against back row stones) is similar to back row stones being more effective in opposite side games. However, the general concensus within our team is for the stone golem to be placed in the back row.

You know, it's a similar thing to Legends - practically everyone uses the Omega Turtle, or a slight variant thereof. Hell, I'm no exception. There are a multitude of formations; it's a case of finding that creative spark within yourself.

Omega has said already that he would like an extra week as many of your team members are inactive in the forthcoming week. I don't mind if you need some extra time in addition to that week, but again, that's not my sole decision.

~Mag

[Bottle]

Not true. Assuming that we're not allowed to place units in the centre column and that there must be 4 units within stoning range, that space adjacent to the centre column is not a legal place for the stone. Secondly, who in their right mind would put their stone in the back row corner? Where does the cleric go? That leaves just 1 space on each side of the board that are both legal and sensible places for the stone. Add that to the fact that you realistically have to stone your mud and scouts, and the fact that the frost is only of much use on the back row too, and you have 6 units pre-placed for you before you even start creating your formation.

It takes all the skill out of forming a good formation.

If you want to prove me wrong on any points above, meet me on rev and use one of the formations I say doesn't work, and try to beat me.

As for you, Mag, log on to MSN please.

[bludhoundz]

I'm with Bottle on this one.

I'd go into a full post, but I'm not in the mood right now.

[Magician]

Which sets "don't work"? :huh:

We're talking about this on MSN. I would be appreciate if people posted their thoughts before this was finalised. (which I doubt it will be)

Edit: Right. This idea is stupid if we want to get the tourny started iwithin the next week. We're asking Legends to re-train in FPS, as most of them are using 2nd corner turts. Sorry, but this isn't going to happen on such a short time-frame.

~Mag

[allstarGL]

I don't care if they use second row corner sets for fps turtle. I'd actually kinda prefer it. I thought we we're able to use them I had a couple sets I was gonna use.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I strongly disagree with Bottle, and I'm not going to explain it to him, because we don't have to.

Legends sets their rules, we set ours.

I do want to discuss it with Bludz and allstar, though. But I suggest we do it in private.

[Bottle]

I'm with Bottle on this one.

I'd go into a full post, but I'm not in the mood right now.

I don't care if they use second row corner sets for fps turtle. I'd actually kinda prefer it. I thought we we're able to use them I had a couple sets I was gonna use.

Nice to see the majority of your team in favour of the supposed rule change. :p

[allstarGL]

I just wasn't informed is all. I don't even know their reasoning behind it. It appears only me and blud are against it though so not much we can do but live with it. Like wack said you set your rules we set ours.

[OmegaShin]

I am just passing by now, anyway: Fps set their rules, we set our rules. There's nothing unfair as in the end we all will play games with the same possibilities. This matter should be discussed between the fps team only and the result posted as soon as possible as we need to know.

If you will make that change we may want a slight change to our rules too anyway. Bottle, let them set their own rules. Just like they can't interphere with ours we need not interphere with theirs.

[WaCk-HeAd]

It's just that most FPS'ers play with a backrow turtle while Legenders play very offensive with their second row turtles.

We feel that it is too big of an advantage to the Legenders if we also allow second-row corner turtles, especially for same-sided games.

They made sure we have a big disadvantage in their games, so we want to make sure the sames goes for them in our home game.

Now, of course, if there are many people in our team using second-row corner turtles then we should re-think this rule, but as far as I know, nobody or just a select few do, so why not adjust the rules?

If that means Bottle wants another week, sure, no problem. Omegashin already wants another week, so it all falls into place.

Edit: What would be your change be, Shin? No stone golem at all? :)

[Niveus]

arg sorry for bein late i agree to terms of the tourny and so on

gl to everyone and bottle pwns X_X

[Bottle]

Wack... on FPS, the only way to play is offense. If you tell me you're not going to throw everything you've got at me from the start if we end up playing, I'll be delighted. Anyway, you can use 2nd row cornered stone too if you want.

I really don't see how it's such a big advantage to us... Legenders are used to playing defensive turtle games, not offensive ones...

Also, can you tell us exactly who "we" is in "we feel it's too much of an advantage"? You and Dape?

[-Dape-]

Wack... on FPS, the only way to play is offense. If you tell me you're not going to throw everything you've got at me from the start if we end up playing, I'll be delighted. Anyway, you can use 2nd row cornered stone too if you want.

I really don't see how it's such a big advantage to us... Legenders are used to playing defensive turtle games, not offensive ones...

So they play defensive with no furgon and with stoney second row infront of cleric? are you having a laugh? I know Draq won't go offensive because he plays defensive with furgon, its not all about offensive play.

[Bottle]

Do you know how hard it is to break down wisp and frost defense with only 2 effective long-ranged units? Of course you don't, because you don't play on Legends because you're not in the team. How about you let the FPS team speak for itself, Dape?

Not all Legenders use the Judgement turtle.

[-Dape-]

Do you know how hard it is to break down wisp and frost defense with only 2 effective long-ranged units? Of course you don't, because you don't play on Legends because you're not in the team. How about you let the FPS team speak for itself, Dape?

Not all Legenders use the Judgement turtle.

I do play legends...stat .Dape., and i was the one who stated this rule to start off with...

[Cliche]

Does anyone know if the FPS team will be looking for a replacement if C.H.I.L.L. doesn't come back?

I'll do it if I can.

:cool:

[bludhoundz]

Nice to see the majority of your team in favour of the supposed rule change. :p

I wouldn't mind a rule change. I just think changing it right as the tournament starts is a weak move, and a move of fear.

I kind of agree with Omega too, each side should be responsible for their own rules, but it just doesn't seem right to change them right now. Earlier, and I wouldn't have argued with it.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Blud, we've been discussing it for a while, actually. Long before any member was chosen, I believe.

Dape did start about it and Magician and I, both agreed. After a while I figured the rules were changed but I see they weren't now so I'd like to see them changed. And I'm sure that many others, like you, would like them to be changed as well.

Nobody has a problem with it, except for Bottle. Even his captain has no issue with it.

Bottle, I suggest you take your captain's advice and let us worry about our own rules. Despite it being very enjoyable to see how much you're fighting for this, you've interfered enough with the FPS team for today.

Besides, the more you fight against it, the more we are going to think it's a very good rule. :bigsmile:

So I suggest you go and enjoy our General Discussion or whatever section having nothing to do with our Turtle Team on the FPS forums or just go back to the Legends Forums.

Either way suits me greatly, as long as you stop interfering with the FPS team.

Thanks.

[FryLock]

Uh...what? Now we're restricting ourselves to backrow stonies on the FPS games? I've got to say, I'm not a fan of that.

I don't like disagreeing with my team, but I'd rather have back row OR corner stone...those are the alpha rules, anyway.

But since I'm the sub, it doesn't really matter. *shrug*

[meat.eater]

Oh good lord, arguing already.

The post was my fault. I copy/pasted Monkus' rules. FPS had been discussing this for a long while and I was in a hurry to get the thread done before I had to leave for work and forgot about it.

However, there seems to be a bit of a disagreement (even if it is just a bit) on the FPS team. Mag, settle this and let me know which rules you will be going with by the end of the day. This includes stone placement and what "front row ranged units" means.

Luca has already requested we delay the start of the tournament, in which I told him I was against, but seeing as I screwed this up and Legenders may want some new time to train, we can bump the start date back as he requested, proving it is okay with Mag and the FPS team as well.

Also Mag, I need a solution to the CHILL problem by tonight and the sub to be picked.

[FryLock]

After thinking about this some more, I gotta say that I am actually pretty strongly against limiting the stone to the last row. If we make that rule, almost everyone will be using the same turtle: wisp in the middle, scout flankers, and mud at the front, with an unstoned dragon and a knight (or furgon) at the "top" of the form. If the goal is to force everyone to play with almost the same kind of set, then I guess that's a good rule. But I don't think that's what the goal is.

My 2 cents.

[-Dape-]

It was to limit them from having an advantage in both styles, they all play stoney second row infront of cleric or at the side against the wall, by having the FPS games all back row FPS has an advantage because most of the players on the team use stone back row.

[FryLock]

Is there any way to get Dape banned from this thread? Just wondering...

[meat.eater]

Nope. But by posting here he has to acknowledge the Forum TOS set up by this tournament. If he breaks that, or even begins walking the line (as he is not a member of this tournament, but I kno whow much he loves walking that line :)), his posts will be deleted. If he continues, because I cannot DQ him, I will ban him.

So far he hasnt broken any rules, though.

[Bottle]

So let me get this straight... Fry and Blud are strongly against the rule change and Allstar also doesn't think it's a good idea... yet wack says the whole team agrees with him?

Hmm.

Whatever you decide, decide it quickly. I need to know whether to keep training with my corner turtle formation.

And I am still yet to see a valid argument why 2nd row cornered stoneys for both sides gives Legends an advantage. In fact, in opp side games it's more defensive because the units all start one square further back. Plus it's no easier to break stone focus in a same-side match either unless the other side is using a second row stone too.

I'm sorry, the logic behind your reasoning seems completely out. The argument goes like this: "I won't allow second row turts because I don't like them". Hmm.

For your information, Dope, I see a 2nd row cornered turtle in about 5% of Legends turtle games, because they units start 1 square further away in opp side games and it's harder to get your BR into the action quickly. Plus you seem to think that the familarity with double scouts counts for nothing. When we first played here, most of our team had no idea how to win a double scout game. Even if we allowed stone golems on the front row, Legends would be at a disadvantage in the 2-scout games.

[DarkfirePhoenix]

I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament.

~Darkfire Phoenix

[WaCk-HeAd]

So let me get this straight... Fry and Blud are strongly against the rule change and Allstar also doesn't think it's a good idea... yet wack says the whole team agrees with him?

Yawn.

Keep on creating more trouble, Bottle. Suits you very well.

Whatever you decide, decide it quickly. I need to know whether to keep training with my corner turtle formation.

I think meat was clear.

And I am still yet to see a valid argument yada yada yada

Which is of course not a problem, because it's irrelevant if you do. Get this through your head, please.

I think we do need to discuss this because there's indeed more disagreement than I expected, since this has been discussed before.

Blud seems to be in favor because this rule wasn't just created.

Allstar doesn't seem to mind much, so that leaves Frylock, who I'll gladly discuss it with.

But I just would rather discuss this in private. Magician, how's it going?

[OmegaShin]

Oh good lord, arguing already.

The post was my fault. I copy/pasted Monkus' rules. FPS had been discussing this for a long while and I was in a hurry to get the thread done before I had to leave for work and forgot about it.

However, there seems to be a bit of a disagreement (even if it is just a bit) on the FPS team. Mag, settle this and let me know which rules you will be going with by the end of the day. This includes stone placement and what "front row ranged units" means.

Luca has already requested we delay the start of the tournament, in which I told him I was against, but seeing as I screwed this up and Legenders may want some new time to train, we can bump the start date back as he requested, proving it is okay with Mag and the FPS team as well.

Also Mag, I need a solution to the CHILL problem by tonight and the sub to be picked.

Sorry for the delay but it is just necessary. It doesn't really hurt anyone. Please though let us know as soon as possible if you want to change some of the rules. Mag i added you on msn. I will discuss with both you and meat about how we can make random pairings.

On a different note, i already stated somewhere in this thread that a big tourney like this should be settled purely by skill and not luck on formation. Your alpha rules allowing that kind of stone and 2 scouts are much worse than our rules in same sides games. It will turn to rush and luck in same sides, and i dislike it. As much as part of my team is for the second row stone, to me it is total bs and you should have back row only, but again these are your rules and my opinion doesn't count.

Finally i'd like a little clarification: In our rules i stated that stone can't be moved on first usage. I did it to avoid people setting a rush like cluster away in some part of the field and have stone move for it. Not sure if i explained well. Anyway i need a clarification as unless you change your rules i would be allowed to put my cluster the way we use it on legends (front of cleric) by having stone on back row and just moving it in front of cleric on first usage. You need to change your rules accordingly unless you want it to happen.

[bludhoundz]

Shin, there is an edition that I made to the Alpha Rules which does not allow that to happen (moving stone on its first usage), but monkus was not around when I made it, so it never got officially added to his thread. Meat, I suggest you add this to the rules.

The thread is here:
http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29202

[OmegaShin]

Yeah. It needs to really be added. I think everyone agrees on it.

[Flash Demon]

Yeah, sorry about that. We originally pestered meat. about this at the start of the tourny, but he didn't do anything about it. As it stands, there's too little time for you to re-train in FPS. Back row or 2nd row corner stands. Sorry for the confusion.

~Mag

Unless mag decides to change it, this is the last thing he said.

[bludhoundz]

I don't think it is solely Mag's decision. He's our captain, hes not our dictator.

However, he should be the one to post the final verdict. There should be some kind of discussion.

[Bottle]

Your alpha rules allowing that kind of stone and 2 scouts are much worse than our rules in same sides games. It will turn to rush and luck in same sides, and i dislike it.

I disagree; the stoned mud and scouts are no closer to the enemy stone golem than they would be if they were both on the back row. For goodness sake, how can nobody see that having the stone golem in the corner PUTS YOUR RANGED UNITS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ENEMY STONE CLUSTER?

Oh, I give up. Make your decision and let me know so I can restart training if necessary. It'll take me a while to get back into back row stone practise, so at least I have the perfect excuse if we start next week and I lose all my games horribly. Heck, I don't even have a good back-row stone formation, other than the boringly standard one. :p

Edit: Proof that a cornered turt isn't as rushy same-side as a backrow one.

The difference between two backrow turtles is 5 squares allowing any one of mud or scouts to break stone focus if the unit in front of the stone is moved or if there is not a blocker in front of the turt. (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1087/backrowcf5.jpg)

The difference between a backrow turtle and my cornered turtle is 6 spaces, so the mudquake and one of the scouts start out of range of the enemy stone golem. (http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1086/cornerxj8.jpg)

See my point? It's defensive. It's designed to maintain stone focus for longer because it's easier to block LOS shots in opp side games with a furgon, while the backrow one is incredibly easily flanked, even more so when you don't allow blocking units in the centre column like my furgon. Moreover, the scouts are generally kept further away from the dragon which is usually deployed towards the middle of the game board.

What is "too much like a rush" about it? Is keeping stone focus for longer against the spirit of turtling on FPS?

[Geeky_Bastard]

Bla bla bla, I don't want to read this. I'll agree with Wack :)

[Cliche]

I disagree; the stoned mud and scouts are no closer to the enemy stone golem than they would be if they were both on the back row. For goodness sake, how can nobody see that having the stone golem in the corner PUTS YOUR RANGED UNITS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ENEMY STONE CLUSTER?

Oh, I give up. Make your decision and let me know so I can restart training if necessary. It'll take me a while to get back into back row stone practise, so at least I have the perfect excuse if we start next week and I lose all my games horribly. Heck, I don't even have a good back-row stone formation, other than the boringly standard one. :p

Edit: Proof that a cornered turt isn't as rushy same-side as a backrow one.

The difference between two backrow turtles is 5 squares allowing any one of mud or scouts to break stone focus if the unit in front of the stone is moved or if there is not a blocker in front of the turt. (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1087/backrowcf5.jpg)

The difference between a backrow turtle and my cornered turtle is 6 spaces, so the mudquake and one of the scouts start out of range of the enemy stone golem. (http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1086/cornerxj8.jpg)

See my point? It's defensive. It's designed to maintain stone focus for longer because it's easier to block LOS shots in opp side games with a furgon, while the backrow one is incredibly easily flanked, even more so when you don't allow blocking units in the centre column like my furgon. Moreover, the scouts are generally kept further away from the dragon which is usually deployed towards the middle of the game board.

What is "too much like a rush" about it? Is keeping stone focus for longer against the spirit of turtling on FPS?


If you get first turn and same sides with a second-row to a back-row turtle, you might as well call the enemy's Cleric dead, unless they're a Furgon user, which is pretty rare 'now-a-days'.

Point is, hardly anyone leaves the 'five space mud-smash' open in back-row turtles lately, so the only advantage to second-corner turtles are the quick Cleric killing power. Although its not a guaranteed win when you use a second-corner against a back-row same sides, it is pretty likely that you do, indeed, win.

If I was participating in this tournament, I'd be completely for the 'back-row only' rule. It eliminates a lot of complaining and makes the games a little bit more balanced, even if everyone does use the same set.

Think about it!

[FryLock]

Arguments like this were exactly why I was hesitant to even become involved in another tourney.

I'll go with whatever my team decides, but I think it's foolish on our part to mandate that the stone golem can be put in ONE position only. We're worried about Legends gaining an advantage because they rush? Come on now...

Yes, we made fun of them for their ridiculous "no barrier ward" rule, but that doesn't mean we also have to make arbitrary rules.

I've got several turtles that have been working for me, and at least one of them is a corner form designed for opp side battles...same sides, it tends to be quite a bit weaker.

I really HATE the fact that I'm in agreement with Bottle here.

But Bottle, in seriousness, may I please suggest leaving the discussion of our rules to our team? Regardless of the spirit of trash-talking, etc., you must realize that if you're pushing hard for something, the odds are that it'll be decided against your wishes.

Please let us sort it out on our own.

[Bottle]

Well duh, if your formation doesn't block LOS on the cleric then you deserve everything you get... plus if you get an opp side game your cleric is equally as vulnerable. Again, swings and roundabouts.

Thanks for your grudging support, Fry, but I'm just getting my excuses in nice and early, you see. :)

[Wolfman]

I really HATE the fact that I'm in agreement with Bottle here.


wolf agrees with fry, but without the hate part.

thank god wolf is not in this :P

wolfy

[FryLock]

Bots and Wolf, if you both are in this thread, get over to rev to discuss the grey tourney.

[Geeky_Bastard]

Just tell me who to play...

[Deepsea]

Oh, mighty! Bots is Godly all of a sudden.

:Heil:

[AlabamaBoy]

Magician already said that it would be someone who was active in the selection part of the tourny, I do not beleive you were Cliche. :wink2:

[Deepsea]

Its all good.

Everyone has bad days.

I'm just tierd of getting flamed.

[Cliche]

Magician already said that it would be someone who was active in the selection part of the tourny, I do not beleive you were Cliche. :wink2:

I know, but I think that's because he thought those were the only people he could choose from.

Elemental said otherwise.

Don't worry, I'll talk to him.

[FryLock]

I don't think any of us are "worried" about you getting on the team.

I also think magician realizes that the replacement should at least be floated by the rest of the team, even if the decision may ultimately be his.

I don't know you, cliche, but I can say that you may not be making any real allies of your potential teammates by coming into the thread and acting like it's a done deal.

I'm also not saying you're wrong, just that you might want to reflect on the consequences of what you say, as well.

[Cliche]

I don't think any of us are "worried" about you getting on the team.

I also think magician realizes that the replacement should at least be floated by the rest of the team, even if the decision may ultimately be his.

I don't know you, cliche, but I can say that you may not be making any real allies of your potential teammates by coming into the thread and acting like it's a done deal.

I'm also not saying you're wrong, just that you might want to reflect on the consequences of what you say, as well.

I'm not thinking its a 'done deal.' Trust me.

I'm just messing around with Deep.

;)

[Deepsea]

I don't think any of us are "worried" about you getting on the team.

I also think magician realizes that the replacement should at least be floated by the rest of the team, even if the decision may ultimately be his.

I don't know you, cliche, but I can say that you may not be making any real allies of your potential teammates by coming into the thread and acting like it's a done deal.

I'm also not saying you're wrong, just that you might want to reflect on the consequences of what you say, as well.

I wish I could sometimes.

[meat.eater]

Everyone thank Cliche and Deep for showing us what kind of hocus-pocus BS will not be tolerated in this thread and was therefore deleted!

Thanks!

[Cliche]

/hug Deepsea

We've already made up, Meat.

:)

[Wolfman]

let me sub! let me sub!

silly wolf :P

wolfy

[Deepsea]

/hug Deepsea

We've already made up, Meat.

:)

Yeah one person down, 50 more to go ;)

[Ragnarth]

Reporting.

Good Luck to everyone, let's enjoy this guys !! :bigsmile: .

Oh, and finally... stone in second row is allowed or not ?.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Think that's still under discussion Rag.

[Bottle]

Do you think you could discuss it a little faster, seeing as the result will probably decide whether you sweep the FPS style games without having to raise a finger or not?

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'm not a part of the congregation and have no say in the matter. If left to me I'd say let the players decide before the match. I'm against second corner turtles, but some members of the FPS team might want to use them, therefore arrange the match beforehand with each set of players.

[Flash Demon]

The people should be able to use whatever form they are best with. If you take away whatever form you practice with and know, of course your skills will be hurt.

If the fps rules are going to be changed, we need to know with enough time beforehand so we can practice with the new setups that we have to use.
If the fps rules change the day of/the day before the start of the tournament, legends would have the disadvantage because we could not set practice with one form, while fps has been practicing both styles for months.

[FiReBrAnD]

I'm ready. :)

[WaCk-HeAd]

Didn't Omegashin want to change some rules for himself as well?

[steve12]

I disagree; the stoned mud and scouts are no closer to the enemy stone golem than they would be if they were both on the back row. For goodness sake, how can nobody see that having the stone golem in the corner PUTS YOUR RANGED UNITS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ENEMY STONE CLUSTER?

Oh, I give up. Make your decision and let me know so I can restart training if necessary. It'll take me a while to get back into back row stone practise, so at least I have the perfect excuse if we start next week and I lose all my games horribly. Heck, I don't even have a good back-row stone formation, other than the boringly standard one. :p

Edit: Proof that a cornered turt isn't as rushy same-side as a backrow one.

The difference between two backrow turtles is 5 squares allowing any one of mud or scouts to break stone focus if the unit in front of the stone is moved or if there is not a blocker in front of the turt. (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1087/backrowcf5.jpg)

The difference between a backrow turtle and my cornered turtle is 6 spaces, so the mudquake and one of the scouts start out of range of the enemy stone golem. (http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1086/cornerxj8.jpg)

See my point? It's defensive. It's designed to maintain stone focus for longer because it's easier to block LOS shots in opp side games with a furgon, while the backrow one is incredibly easily flanked, even more so when you don't allow blocking units in the centre column like my furgon. Moreover, the scouts are generally kept further away from the dragon which is usually deployed towards the middle of the game board.

What is "too much like a rush" about it? Is keeping stone focus for longer against the spirit of turtling on FPS?


...And if both players use that "defensive" turtle, then on same-sides they are ony 4 spaces apart. Omega is right, it will only turn into a huge rush game. You can't expect one player to always have a back-row stoney.

[King Cold']

I agree to the TOS and gameplay

[*_*_*_*_*_*_*]

ok, after 1 hr of read all post i only have to say that "I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament".

and wherever changue of fps rules i don't care. I just wanna play :)

[EleMENTAL]

This is just opinion, but I think everyone who does not have MSN, should download it. MSN seems to be the preffered way of Instant Messaging, and is also a great way to arrange matches when you are both online.

http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/

Of course, this is just my opinion, you can stick to PM's, I'm just trying to make this as smooth as possible :)

[Bottle]

...And if both players use that "defensive" turtle, then on same-sides they are ony 4 spaces apart. Omega is right, it will only turn into a huge rush game. You can't expect one player to always have a back-row stoney.
Same side games always turn into a huge rush game anyway. Has your stone focus ever lasted longer than, say, 10 turns in a same-side turtle game against a good player?

[Magician]

Hmm. Alot has happened in the past few days. For one, I've had some time to mull over the potential rule change. I think it's unfair to change them so close to the start of a tournament. Had meat. put that edit in when we were discussing it during tryouts, well, it would be a done deal. As it stands, there's too little time remaining to give Legends adequate training time. 2nd row corner turtles are going to be valid.

Cliche, where the hell have you been for the past like.. month and a half? If you wanted on the team, you should have entered the tournament. (I'm fairly sure you posted in the thread). I love ya bro, and you're a solid turtler, but I'm afraid I have to say no. You're more than welcome to join the clan and offer your support - that would be greatly appreciated - but I can't offer you a position when players have spent the last 6-8weeks training and playing their hearts out for the final spot.

IROK and AlabamaBoy, can you two please play off? One Legends, one FPS style turtle. I'll think of something if you two draw. :wink2:

I would just like to add briefly: Random sides are the standard for FPS turtles. Please, however, feel free to ask for opp/same side games if you so desire.

Luca, I've accepted your add. I'm not sure how late I can stay up tonight coz I've got work early tomoz morning. :(

Good luck everyone! :) I'm practically signing our funeral here, but hey! It's all fun and games. :)

~Mag

[FryLock]

Opp side is standard for FPS turtles? I didn't know this. I thought it was just random.

[Magician]

Whoops, I meant random.. sorry. It's been a long day. :(

~Mag

[allstarGL]

Yea i was wondering for a minute there..

[*_*_*_*_*_*_*]

Ok and when it start??

[Bottle]

Next week. Although I will not be available to play for the first 5 days, except for a very specific 1 hour slot.

[EleMENTAL]

Next week. Although I will not be available to play for the first 5 days, except for a very specific 1 hour slot.

I think it starts after spring break.

[FryLock]

Many people's spring breaks have already happened. At least in the US, a very common time for spring break was the last week of March.

[EleMENTAL]

Many people's spring breaks have already happened. At least in the US, a very common time for spring break was the last week of March.

Mine starts next week, and didn't OS want an extra week for a wedding?

[FryLock]

OS? Perhaps you mean Omega. And despite your break being late, most have indeed happened already.

This thread is turning pointless pretty quick.

Things to be clarified:
- Can the dragon be placed in the first row in any set?
- Am I the FPS sub?
- Who is replacing CHILL?

[Deepsea]

I think it starts after spring break.

Correct.


I talked to meat about this, it seems he had everything planned already. So no worries.

[Magician]

OS? Perhaps you mean Omega. And despite your break being late, most have indeed happened already.

This thread is turning pointless pretty quick.

Things to be clarified:
- Can the dragon be placed in the first row in any set?
- Am I the FPS sub?
- Who is replacing CHILL?

No, the dragon is a range unit as it can attack a unit 7 squares away (range qualifies at 6) in a single turn. However, it can be in Legends turtles. That's no for FPS, yes for Legends. :p

As far as I can tell, it's either you or AU.

IROK or AlabamaBoy - I've asked for them to playoff for the final spot.

Anything else?

~Mag

[EleMENTAL]

OS? Perhaps you mean Omega. And despite your break being late, most have indeed happened already.

This thread is turning pointless pretty quick.

Things to be clarified:
- Can the dragon be placed in the first row in any set?
- Am I the FPS sub?
- Who is replacing CHILL?

Yes, i was talking about Omega.

1. Dragons can only be placed on front row on a legends turtle
2. Ask Magician
3. Magician decided for alabamaBoy and IROK to face off. The winner will replace him. I think.

And I don't think i'll be here for the first week of the tournament.

[FryLock]

In my opinion, AU really played his head off, plus he had an excellent training record. If it's between me and him for sub, I definitely think I should be the sub.

[Magician]

Alright then. As it stands, Fry is subbing, unless AU has any complaints to this.

~Mag

[Geeky_Bastard]

In my opinion, AU really played his head off, plus he had an excellent training record. If it's between me and him for sub, I definitely think I should be the sub.

Agreed.

[bludhoundz]

That sounds okay to me.

I was gonna want to sub, but then I thought that the tourney would start over spring break. After realizing that it wouldn't.. I still think it would be a better decision, because I'm really rather inactive when school is in session, but I guess I can make an effort.

[Magician]

Worst case, just organise your games for the weekend. :p That's what I'm intending on doing..

~Mag

[OmegaShin]

Elem, i am available from sunday on, so for what concerns me we can start already this sunday. If that's a problem for your team we can delay it for some more, i don't mind.

[bludhoundz]

Worst case, just organise your games for the weekend. :p That's what I'm intending on doing..

~Mag

I'm more concerned with how well I'll be playing, not that I'll not have time. I won't have time to practice AND play is my concern.. but I'll try to work it out.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Bama, I'll be somewhat busy this weekend, so hopefully we can play our matches before then. I'll still be able to come on today, tomorrow and Saturday, but as Easter is this weekend I doubt I'll come on Friday, Sunday, or Monday

[-Dape-]

I'm more concerned with how well I'll be playing, not that I'll not have time. I won't have time to practice AND play is my concern.. but I'll try to work it out.

I'm here anytime you need some practice games.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'm here anytime you need some practice games.

O.O

This is the nicest thing I've ever heard Dape say...

[-Dape-]

Be nice to me you'll get it back, blud has always been a nice guy to me so i'll help him out in return, same with others who do the same.

[*_*_*_*_*_*_*]

at the matches??? when???

[Magician]

I think, tentatively, we're drawing matches on Sunday.

~Mag

[AlabamaBoy]

So mag... who is replacing CHILL?

[Magician]

Alabama, you and IROK need to play off for it. I said that earlier in the thread. :p One FPS turtle, and one Legends turtle, please.

~Mag

[AlabamaBoy]

:wub:

Oh Maggy you make it too easy for me.

[Cliche]

:wub:

Oh Maggy you make it too easy for me.


Good luck, Bama.

[AlabamaBoy]

Why thank you. :wink2:

*summons IROK*

You are forgetting my most recent game with IROK.

Opposite side FPS Alpha Turtle, I am White, Nolund is Blue

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9981/fpstournysu8.png

[Nitanius Nolund]

And I have a 9 unit win over you in same sides Bama, as well as that Legends win where you were up by 4 units (BR and wisp ftw!!!)

I can't play the matches for another 3 hours, but at 6 EST we can play at least one of them.

Best of luck to you Bama.

[AlabamaBoy]

You as well IROK :wub:

[Nitanius Nolund]

I PMed Bama, hopefully he'll be on in an hour for us to play one of our matches.

[FryLock]

After seeing AB's stupid post ("you make this too easy), followed up by him posting a s/s of a past win, I was going to tell IROK I hope he wins.

But then IROK had to go and respond in kind (though without a s/s). So now I'm back to neutral.

But since they're playing 2 games, what happens if they split'em? :confused:

[Cliche]

After seeing AB's stupid post ("you make this too easy), followed up by him posting a s/s of a past win, I was going to tell IROK I hope he wins.

But then IROK had to go and respond in kind (though without a s/s). So now I'm back to neutral.

But since they're playing 2 games, what happens if they split'em? :confused:

Magician said he'll think of something if they split the games.

[Magician]

I've not decided yet.. >.< I may need some help with that, lol. :p

~Mag

[-Dape-]

Get them to re-play there matchs.

[Magician]

That may take too long. We'll see what happens. Worst case, we have 2 subs? :rolleyes:

~Mag

[Nitanius Nolund]

After seeing AB's stupid post ("you make this too easy), followed up by him posting a s/s of a past win, I was going to tell IROK I hope he wins.

But then IROK had to go and respond in kind (though without a s/s). So now I'm back to neutral.

But since they're playing 2 games, what happens if they split'em? :confused:

Favortism = bad

Besides, you honestly didn't think we'd play these matches without some friendly trash talking did you?

[WaCk-HeAd]

Isn't it better to have the winner of them to be the sub, anyway?

I just hate seeing one of our best turtlers as our sub.

I don't care what Frylock and his false modesty tells everyone, he's a great turtler. He shouldn't be a sub and he should just make the time to play his opponents.

Bah!

[Magician]

Isn't it better to have the winner of them to be the sub, anyway?

I just hate seeing one of our best turtlers as our sub.

I don't care what Frylock and his false modesty tells everyone, he's a great turtler. He shouldn't be a sub and he should just make the time to play his opponents.

Bah!

I agree. I'm not even sure if it's 15 players and a sub, or 14 and a sub... :confused: That said, if Fry is adamant he can't be that active.. well.. yeah. :(

~Mag

[Cliche]

Isn't it better to have the winner of them to be the sub, anyway?

I just hate seeing one of our best turtlers as our sub.

I don't care what Frylock and his false modesty tells everyone, he's a great turtler. He shouldn't be a sub and he should just make the time to play his opponents.

Bah!


Magician holds his morals in high regard.

If IROK and Bama have tried harder and have been more active, I'm sure they'll get selection over Frylock.

Even though Frylock is one of the best turtlers around...

[Nitanius Nolund]

Bama, I'm on now. I await your arrival

[WaCk-HeAd]

They haven't. Frylock has been really active during the tournament.

[Cliche]

They haven't. Frylock has been really active during the tournament.


Oh, I wasn't aware.

I figured he was inactive because IROK and Bama were being chosen over him.

Hmmph.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Bama or myself are being chosen over Frylock because he is unsure of how active he can be during this tournament because of school.

[AlabamaBoy]

I dont want it, it is yours IROK.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Well this is...unexpected...

Um...may I ask why? PM me if you don't want to make it public

[AlabamaBoy]

I dont want it, it is yours IROK.

Recent happenings in my life put TAO in perspective... thus I stopped caring.

Good Luck FPS

Good Luck Legends

[FryLock]

Isn't it better to have the winner of them to be the sub, anyway?

I just hate seeing one of our best turtlers as our sub.

I don't care what Frylock and his false modesty tells everyone, he's a great turtler. He shouldn't be a sub and he should just make the time to play his opponents.

Bah!

Wack can call it false modesty if he wishes. In all honesty, it's quite flattering. I've gotten 200% better at turtle since this thing started, but for whatever reason, I tend to see the people on the team as better turtlers, despite me beating them here and there. Perhaps that's no longer true, and I thank those of you who continue to pester me into being full-time.

In any case, the main reason why I've asked for sub from the beginning was, as cliche pointed out, school. I know, it's only 10 games, etc, but I have less than 3 weeks until finals, and after that, I immediately begin studying for the bar - the review course lasts a month and a half and costs a pretty penny - and almost every graduating law student in America takes it. That tells you how hard the bar exam is. In fact, the review for the bar is generally considered more grueling than all 3 years of law school itself - especially since we basically have to cover 10+ subjects from start to finish in about a month and a half.

Despite people advocating for a fast tourney, I've been around long enough to know that despite all the best intentions, this thing will NOT go quickly. I'm trying to avoid putting myself in a situation where I'm forced to choose between shortchanging my studies or hanging my teamates out to dry. That, more than doubts about my skill, is why I'd expressed interest in subbing. Or, at least that is NOW the predominant reason.

I hope that clears up my position.

[meat.eater]

Judging by the fact that we've already delayed things and run into problems, I dont think this will be as fast as I may want it to be. I will be aiming for a month. But I do not know when that month will begin. I think there is a distinct possibility this wont start until mid-April. In which case, it will run until mid-late May.

[rainblade]

Hi.

[Cliche]

I say, if FPS and Legends agree, we boost the number of players participating on each team up to sixteen and one sub.

Is there any reason its being kept at fifteen?

I'd love to be in this thing!

[Magician]

Damn.. that sucks Alabama. :( I was looking forward to the results of your games...

Well, that settles the CHILL issue. IROK shall replace CHILL. Congrats mate. Shame about Alabama resigning, but you do deserve to be here. :) All of the tourny entrants do. Kudos to everyone for participating. Now to kick Legends ass royally, even if we end up playing defence in half the games. :wink2:

IROK, PM meat a new account name for your tourny account on Rev, please. Also include which server you created that grey on. I'm going now, I've got work in too few hours.

Congradulations, again, to everyone for your time and effort in playing games, etc.

~Mag

[Magician]

Edit: Sorry for the double.

I say, if FPS and Legends agree, we boost the number of players participating on each team up to sixteen and one sub.

I'd love to be in this thing!

Is there any reason the maximum number of players is being kept at fifteen?

Like I said, I'd love to be in this thing!

:bigsmile:

You should have entered the tourny then, eh? :rolleyes: If the numbers were increased (which they won't be as there would be too many people playing), you wouldn't be my first choice as you didn't participate in the tournament. Sorry bro, I hope you understand. So, apart from wanting that extra hypothetical place for yourself, why should we increase the team numbers?

~Mag

[meat.eater]

First of all, the tournament size is 14 with a sub. 15 total. You're asking for an increase of 2.

Secondly, this would require legends to get a new player. And then we probably wouldnt be starting this tournament until May.

If both OS and Mag (meaning both teams) are for an increase in size, I will not stand in the way of it. But I would advise against it. It will only make the tournament longer and more complicated.

OS, Mag: Respond.

[Cliche]

First of all, the tournament size is 14 with a sub. 15 total. You're asking for an increase of 2.

Secondly, this would require legends to get a new player. And then we probably wouldnt be starting this tournament until May.

If both OS and Mag (meaning both teams) are for an increase in size, I will not stand in the way of it. But I would advise against it. It will only make the tournament longer and more complicated.

OS, Mag: Respond.


I understand, completely.

I was actually under the impression that it was a maximum of fifteen players, and one sub.

Terribly sorry for even asking.

Thanks for considering it, though.

[Magician]

First of all, the tournament size is 14 with a sub. 15 total. You're asking for an increase of 2.

Secondly, this would require legends to get a new player. And then we probably wouldnt be starting this tournament until May.

If both OS and Mag (meaning both teams) are for an increase in size, I will not stand in the way of it. But I would advise against it. It will only make the tournament longer and more complicated.

OS, Mag: Respond.

What meat. said. However, if Omega has a quickfire player ready who doesn't need training, I don't see why we can't increase it to 15 and a sub. I'm flexible, though leaning towards a no.

I understand, completely.

I was actually under the impression that it was a maximum of fifteen players, and one sub.

Terribly sorry for even asking.

Thanks for considering it though.

You're not in the wrong to suggest something like this. I need to talk to Shin, but I have a feeling it's a no. :( Sorry bro.

~Mag

[Geeky_Bastard]

If we are pushing this back why don't we push it to May when it's close to school getting out?

[Magician]

Push it any further back and this thing will never get off the ground!

~Mag

[bludhoundz]

If we are pushing this back why don't we push it to May when it's close to school getting out?

The school load gets harder by then.. and most of the practice I'm going to be getting for this thing is this week; if we push it off more, I'll be in worse shape, and probably be a much better choice for a sub than Fry.

[FryLock]

With due respect to Blud, I would bet that studying nonstop for the biggest and hardest test of my life (and looking for jobs) will keep me more busy than him. :p

Or, we could play-off to see who the sub is. Loser gets it.

Cleric goes in the front row, right...?

[Bottle]

Omega is busy this week as he said, so I shall attempt to answer the question for him. While we could probably find another player from our selection tournament, he would not have practised for the tournament and would therefore not be really up to scratch. In any case, why do we keep getting people asking for a change of rules after the rules have been posted?

Of course, I cannot guarantee Omega will say the same thing.

[EleMENTAL]

Elem, i am available from sunday on, so for what concerns me we can start already this sunday. If that's a problem for your team we can delay it for some more, i don't mind.

I was just wondering when the tournament started. And FPS is not my team, I am a neutral party.

[Flash Demon]

I can't speak for Omega, but if we added another player, they would have to train, which means everyone else would have to keep up their training for that extra month, which would make getting the whole tournament started tougher as well.

[AlabamaBoy]

You better enjoy the spot IROK. That's kind of the point of me resigning the competition, I know you will like it more.

[Draquist]

I agree to the terms and services of this tournament.

Draquist

[AlabamaBoy]

I saw your brother today Draquist. He should have participated.

[-Dape-]

Hes not as good in turtle then Draq, Darq is more of a freestyler pro then a turtle pro.

[Anarchy_United]

The rules need to be very clearly stated. For example, I know Alpha rules doesn't allow units to be deployed in the middle column of the board, but can I not even put my furgon on the back row in the middle of the board? Pwease?

What do you mean it doesn't allow it? It says nothing about units in the center row...

[Bottle]

I was told I couldn't put units in the centre column. (Column =/= row.)

[allstarGL]

All units must be in 6 adjacent columns, where one of those columns is next to a wall.

technically it seems like you can put units in the middle...

[Nitanius Nolund]

You better enjoy the spot IROK. That's kind of the point of me resigning the competition, I know you will like it more.

I shall do my best to make you proud Bama :D

Oh, and I accept the Terms of Service of this tournament

IROK

[Bottle]

Well, that means I can use my back row turtle after all. Woohoo!

[allstarGL]

Well, that means I can use my back row turtle after all. Woohoo!

pssshhh its no match for my front row turtle!:p

[Nitanius Nolund]

My no cleric, no scout, no stone turtle with own all of you :D

[allstarGL]

yeah... how damn cool is my frog avatar :p

[Nitanius Nolund]

Cool enough to deserve a rep :p

[allstarGL]

10. Prizes
10a. The winning team will recieve the ability to keep their temporary accounts (without a ticket system) on the Revelations server.
10b. The losing team's accounts will be shut down.
10c. The top scoring players overall will be awarded a TBA prize.

I tottally skimmed this before. Thats pretty damn cool!

[Nitanius Nolund]

TwinkleBerries ftw!!!!

Good luck everyone

[OmegaShin]

No, i'd prefer us to stick to 15 since of our 15 one is already half active and i don't have time to look for more people to add.

Also, i think just me mag and meat should do the random pairings, as it is messy to have all people on rev. We can do with meat's randomizer on msn in a 3 way convo.

[Magician]

Omega and I are working on the matches. Bare with us. :)

~Mag

[Anarchy_United]

Omega and I are working on the matches. Bare with us. :)

~Mag

Do it faster!! Hrrrumpfff

[EleMENTAL]

Do it faster!! Hrrrumpfff

They are done, he is in the process of posting them.

[Magician]

I've sent them to meat. Omega and I should have waited for a neutral 3rd party before making any sort of draw.

~Mag

[Mithrandir]

Omega and I are working on the matches. Bare with us. :)

~Mag

No thanks Mag. If you and Omega want to get naked, that's your business but the rest of us really don't want to participate.

[bludhoundz]

Of course Mith, you would be the one to beat me to it.

[meat.eater]

Based on the process in which these matches were assigned and the amount of complaints and skepticism that's been recieved, there is no possible way I would even consider allowing myself to keep these matches.

Sorry. I'm dissapointed neither one fo you thought that out very well. Matches, under any circumstance, will not be assigned based off human choice, whether you think it's random or numbers or "within 2 seconds of each other" or not.

They will be done by computer. They will be done on Saturday, 1pm Pacific Timezone (GMT-8). They will be done on Rev. Anyone who wishes to log on to rev and hear the matches is welcome to. It is not manditory. That is the final word on that.

[Taj]

No thanks Mag. If you and Omega want to get naked, that's your business but the rest of us really don't want to participate.

Don't speak for all of us!

:(

[Magician]

That's not what Mith's point was, Taj.

~Mag

[Bottle]

Quick question, mag- why do you still have netjak in your banner? Want to rejoin, hmm? :p

[Magician]

Not particularly, Bottle. I'm waiting for someone to make me a new banner. Sorry. :p

[Anarchy_United]

Wait, Magician, you left netjak?

[Magician]

Wait, Magician, you left netjak?

Yeah, about a week or two ago.

~Mag

[Flash Demon]

So you beat me for the SF thing and then leave? =P

[Magician]

A few things that happened afterwards made me realise I shouldn't be in netjak. :(

~Mag

[Geeky_Bastard]

Yes you should... I can still get a certain someone to track you down and force you to stay :p

[Magician]

Yes you should... I can still get a certain someone to track you down and force you to stay :p

Oh? Who's that?

~Mag

[OmegaShin]

lol than me and mag wasted a lot of time :-\

Btw i don't mind, i thought there was no possible error in how we drew them though. Why don't you do them tonight? No point in waiting, i want to see who i am playing ^^

[Bottle]

A few things that happened afterwards made me realise I shouldn't be in netjak. :(

~Mag
Actually, Maggy poo was being very silly and decided that he shamed himself by having an account in another clan. We're not sure quite why he punished himself for it when we told him that so long as it went back in netjak it was fine. :p

[Hoolwath]

Yeah, Mag had an Exiled moment.

[Cliche]

Yeah, Mag had an Exiled moment.

lawl

Hool > Bottle

[Nitanius Nolund]

So you beat me for the SF thing and then leave? =P

He came to SF so its all good :p

[Geeky_Bastard]

You only get Mag if you beat Bottle ;)

[Magician]

Actually, Maggy poo was being very silly and decided that he shamed himself by having an account in another clan. We're not sure quite why he punished himself for it when we told him that so long as it went back in netjak it was fine. :p

Well, it's true, no? Whatever you decide to think, I made that decision. Maybe not because I wanted to, but because I had to. Anyway, that's got nothing to do with this tourny. Please, don't bring it up again.

~Mag

[EleMENTAL]

lol than me and mag wasted a lot of time :-\

Btw i don't mind, i thought there was no possible error in how we drew them though. Why don't you do them tonight? No point in waiting, i want to see who i am playing ^^

Today is Easter Friday. For some people, it's a holiday. I think Meat wants to do it on the weekends to make it work with mosts peoples schedule.

[Bottle]

Yeah, Mag had an Exiled moment.
Quick question: why, when the two "incidents" are nothing alike, are you likening them? :huh:

[Magician]

He came to SF so its all good :p

Only on Legends, and I think you know it's likely to be temporary. :p

[Nitanius Nolund]

I can still enjoy it while it lasts

[Dragonforces]

Is it still too late for entries? If not, I'd like to join the FPS Turtle Team, I don't mind if I am a Sub. "I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament" - DragonForces.

[-Dape-]

Is it still too late for entries? If not, I'd like to join the FPS Turtle Team, I don't mind if I am a Sub. "I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament" - DragonForces.

You wasn't even in the tournament to choose who was on the team, and this is the MAIN tournament thread...

[Perfect]

Is it still too late for entries? If not, I'd like to join the FPS Turtle Team, I don't mind if I am a Sub. "I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament" - DragonForces.

this is comming from a guy that has created a fake Celestial_knights and has low stats lol. dragon what makes you think you could just join the fps team? obviously you'd have to go through some of there best turtlers...

[-Dape-]

And get chopped down by all of them.

[Hoolwath]

Quick question: why, when the two "incidents" are nothing alike, are you likening them? :huh:

Do not generalize. I did it this time only.

And!

Mag had two accounts and he pretended he did not have two accounts. Like you.

[Nitanius Nolund]

this is comming from a guy that has created a fake Celestial_knights and has low stats lol. dragon what makes you think you could just join the fps team? obviously you'd have to go through some of there best turtlers...

You'd laugh even harder if you knew who it was :cool:

[AlabamaBoy]

Enlighten us.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Perfect (aka s][nful) knows him as po0op

[Magician]

po0op, eh? Well, sorry mate but the tourny is starting today. Sorry! :(
~Mag

[-=Darkness=-]

I agree to the terms aswell :dry:

[Deepsea]

Is it still too late for entries? If not, I'd like to join the FPS Turtle Team, I don't mind if I am a Sub. "I agree to the Terms and Services of this Tournament" - DragonForces.

Wow.


That's all I can say.


It's not po0op

[Nitanius Nolund]

Yes it is Deep.

Matchups are being drawn now :D

[Deepsea]

*sigh*
Po0op !!!! Welcome man.

[allstarGL]

yay for matchups!

[Deepsea]

Allstar remember the rep you just gave me now, i'm red because im not respected. Thanks tho trust me it won't do much.

[Override]

I agree to the TOS. :rolleyes:

[allstarGL]

Allstar remember the rep you just gave me now, i'm red because im not respected. Thanks tho trust me it won't do much.

Your green now playa! Now rep our team and rip into some legenders and I guarentee the respect will come.

[Deepsea]

I go up and down everyday, it's funny.


Kakashi....

[Magician]

Yay!

Mag vs Bottle, Punishment, OmegaShin, spitfire and ZADICO.

This is gonna be fun. :cool:

Can you guys PM me with times you're available to play? I'll try my best to work around what you give me.

Thanks.

~Mag

[Bottle]

*sigh* The foolishness of the FPS rep system.

Blud, mag, deepnub and Jonspen so far for me. I think I could have got far worse draws... if I had drawn wack-head or geeky, it would be far too easy and boring to beat them.

Edit: Firebrand too, that one might be tough.

[Deepsea]

*sigh* The foolishness of the FPS rep system.

Blud, mag, deepnub and Jonspen so far for me. I think I could have got far worse draws... if I had drawn wack-head or geeky, it would be far too easy and boring to beat them.

Edit: Firebrand too, that one might be tough.


The Nail who sticks out gets hammered.

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Yay!

Mag vs Bottle, Punishment, OmegaShin, spitfire and ZADICO.

This is gonna be fun. :cool:

Can you guys PM me with times you're available to play? I'll try my best to work around what you give me.

Thanks.

~Mag

U can find me easy mag, i alway see u :)

[Flash Demon]

Spenny, Wackhead, IROK, Allstar, and Hoolwrath. I've only played 2 of them before, 1 in turtle, so this'll be fun. :)