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AusIV
04-01-2007, 07:30 PM
Yesterday I was playing on Banff. I was giving my opponent a good thrashing, and he asked me to help him with his geography homework. I didn't want to, but he was taking the full time alloted for his turns, so I figured if I helped him it would speed him up a bit. He said he was working on a crossword, and needed a 7 letter country in Africa that started with N. Naively, I said Nigeria and was promptly kicked.

I returned to the server and confronted him, and took a screenshot of him admitting to it. I PMed a mod with this screenshot, and was told that they don't delete gray accounts because they'd just create another, and what was the point?

I understand that position, but I still feel something should be done to keep cheaters from being so easily rewarded at the expense of unexperienced players.

I have a few suggestions on how to take that advantage away from cheaters. It's worth noting that I wrote a half-life server-side mod several years ago, and one of the features I dealt with cursing prevention. I think the current punishment for swearing is far too harsh. When I implemented a protection against cursing in my half-life, I had a couple of different protection methods for server admins to choose from.

The first (and easiest to implement) was to simply not echo what a user said to the other players in the server, and tell them that they had used a prohibited word. If you're concerned about people searching for ways around the prohibited word (n!ger!a instead of nigeria), you might keep a count, and if they use two or three prohibited words in one connection, then kicking might be appropriate.

Another method I implemented replaced the bad word with a random word from a list. The list could contain just one line: "****", or an entire dictionary of random words that could replace the offending word.

A method I have not personally implemented, but saw in use in other mods, replaced everything a player said with something insulting to the offending player. For example, if someone used the n word, it might tell the server "I think insulting someone's race is funny!"

These methods prevent malicious players from being to exploit the system at the expense of honest players.

I don't know if anything will be done about these problems, but if something is done I may consider getting a gold account again.

Jeffery
04-01-2007, 07:33 PM
The first thing is not to be so ignorant.

While you are at it, a great uncle of your dies in a car accident here in Nigeria. If you give me access to your bank account, I will transfer the sum of $40,000,000 to your account. You then can keep 20% and forward the rest to another account.

~X~X~X~
04-01-2007, 08:12 PM
Well now, that would be cheating on his game and his homework, so just say no, I'm not good at geography or sumthin like that...

Taj
04-01-2007, 08:20 PM
I think we should ban every word in the dictionary just in case someone uses the word inappropriately.

sythe
04-01-2007, 08:25 PM
....lol i rember the chess expert trick my first game here

AusIV
04-01-2007, 08:57 PM
The first thing is not to be so ignorant.
Where can I get a list of words that I'm not supposed to say? If the only way to find out a word gets you kicked is to say it, I don't see how to avoid being ignorant. I mean, there's really nothing wrong with the word Nigeria, except that it has a misspelling of a bad word in it - hardly obvious.

Jeffery
04-01-2007, 09:06 PM
Where can I get a list of words that I'm not supposed to say? If the only way to find out a word gets you kicked is to say it, I don't see how to avoid being ignorant. I mean, there's really nothing wrong with the word Nigeria, except that it has a misspelling of a bad word in it - hardly obvious.
If someone is trying to get you to say some specific thing, THEN DON'T SAY IT.

Don;t be gullible.

Fate's Decision
04-01-2007, 10:21 PM
I PMed a mod with this screenshot, and was told that they don't delete gray accounts because they'd just create another, and what was the point?

IP banning is getting more popular in online games nowadays. TAO set that up sometime.

Deepsea
04-01-2007, 10:23 PM
IP banning is getting more popular in online games nowadays. TAO set that up sometime.

ISP* Banning Is Perminit.

Jeffery
04-01-2007, 10:26 PM
IP banning is getting more popular in online games nowadays. TAO set that up sometime.
IP banning is fallible because I can change my IP in less than 5 minutes. Also, for those using AOL or other dynamic IP's, you can ban many people fromthe game using a simple IP ban. IP's drit quite often, and as such are an unreliable way to ban a person.

However, TAO does implement this, and has for some time.

And Deep, ISP banning is retarded. Ban AOL and you lose a 1000 customers. Ban Roadrunner and you lose 2000.

meat.eater
04-01-2007, 10:45 PM
I found it pretty funny that a thread was entitled "cheaters run rampant" in a suggestion forum.

But, I'm weird.

EmelGreenLeafer
04-01-2007, 11:01 PM
Meat, you sure like you're meat O.o

Lord Sesshomaru
04-02-2007, 01:03 AM
by the way dude, gullible is written on the ceiling

Learz
04-02-2007, 04:52 PM
A conversation I had with on Arma a few days ago with a gold (who shall remain nameless).

Me: Why did you jump me?
Him: whats jumping?
Me: Jumping is where a gold jumps on a grey's tile to battle him
Him: oh
Him: i didnt know, i'm new

I /stat him, he's around 1100.

Me: Ah
Him: I feel bad about jumping you
Him: So, if you help me answer a question, i'll surrender
Me: Shoot
Him: its for my geography test tomarrow
Him: what country ends in IGERIA?
Me: N
Me: IGERIA
Me: Now surrender
Him: I cant read your answer
Me: You didn't surrender! I don't like you!
Him: say it again
Me: N IGERIA
Him: i still can't read it
Me: Look, I've been around a while, so I'm not going to fall for that trick
Him: what trick?
Me: Ok... I'll play along
Me: Type N, then IGERIA
Him: N then IGERIA
Me: Good! Now, eliminate the "then"
Him: N IGERIA
Me: Now eliminate the space

*** Him has left the arena ***

I am pretty sure he made a typing mistake. But I think he got what he deserved.

Hellblazer
04-02-2007, 05:06 PM
That's probably one of the funniest things I've seen this week. Way to outsmart him at his own game.

Realist
04-03-2007, 12:25 PM
Meh, he tricked you fair and square (and did it pretty elegantly, too). Don't be a sore loser.

Glamdring
04-03-2007, 01:21 PM
Well I wouldn't call it elegant really, but it's fair. Elegant would be actually beating him with, you know... units.

mantis33
04-03-2007, 04:02 PM
ISP* Banning Is Perminit.

Then how'd you get back?

Matt 34.5
04-03-2007, 04:16 PM
The filter sucks, but it probably won't be changing anytime soon. As for people cheating you into DCing -- because TAO won't get a decent filter its just somthing you learn as you play, like the game itself.

If your are having a hard time with the filter, try legends (www.digisonline.com). You can swear there, and its the same game with cheaper golds, minus a scout and any stability this game has.

Ol' Time
04-03-2007, 04:47 PM
Almost everyone will get tricked one time or another. Now you know the trick, you won't fall for it again. Good enough.