Changing A Value

[dirka dirka]

In the following file, change the value of the variable DefaultServer to 3.

http://www.tacticsarena.com/play/server.ini

[Hellblazer]

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What!?

[Jeffery]

He's saying that the default server should be changed to Army.

[steve12]

Oh surely the variable value stated by my flux compaciter is merely a prime number to a maximum extent.

[uniquinous]

i see - this is dirka looking at random TAO files, then making individual threads on each one he likes to impress the noobs who get distracted by shiny objects :rolleyes:


ok ok - i'll bite - is there actually any reasoning behind this suggestion? i should be a bit precise, as, you are dirka... is there any *good* reason behind this suggestion? :p

[AlabamaBoy]

He wants to send army even more noobs. We get enough already because of our cool red dragon avy.

[Punishment]

edited.

[Hellblazer]

He's saying that the default server should be changed to Army.

That was the case at one point. Then it changed back.
Let's not torture Army anymore, shall we?

[dirka dirka]

i see - this is dirka looking at random TAO files, then making individual threads on each one he likes to impress the noobs who get distracted by shiny objects :rolleyes:
Not the case at all.

ok ok - i'll bite - is there actually any reasoning behind this suggestion? i should be a bit precise, as, you are dirka... is there any *good* reason behind this suggestion? :p
Yes. I have tested this and changing that variable does in fact change the default server. I am showing how easy of a fix it is to make GL not the main server any more. It is less of a feature suggestion even, just a modification.

[uniquinous]

lemme rephrase then: what is your reasoning behind wanting this modification?

[dirka dirka]

lemme rephrase then: what is your reasoning behind wanting this modification?

I don't like the noob population created by a default server. In fact, change it to 4 and it'll solve itself and screw over nobody.

[Jeffery]

So a better variable would be setting it to X, whereas X would be a randomly selected number out of 1, 2 and 3.

[dirka dirka]

So a better variable would be setting it to X, whereas X would be a randomly selected number out of 1, 2 and 3.

Could be, although making it goto revelations automatically also has a similar effect.

[Jeffery]

Except that would stop all creation of new accounts by default. Then you'd have idiots posting a 1000 threads about how the "new account button is broken".

[dirka dirka]

They would have to select a server. Not too hard to do.

[Jeffery]

But they wouldn;t. If you set it for server 4, revelations, then they would be stuck trying to figure out why they couldn;t register on it.

You know as well as anyone how stupid the average TAOer is, and how many threads would be created talking about the new accounts being broken if you set it to Rev as default.

[uniquinous]

I don't like the noob population created by a default server. In fact, change it to 4 and it'll solve itself and screw over nobody.The noob population would similarly be created on the default server if you just change the default server to a static value.
But they wouldn;t. If you set it for server 4, revelations, then they would be stuck trying to figure out why they couldn;t register on it.

You know as well as anyone how stupid the average TAOer is, and how many threads would be created talking about the new accounts being broken if you set it to Rev as default.Truth. See dirka made a thread to show he looked at a file somewhere, while there was no reasoning behind it. Jeffery suggested a random value, with reasoning of allowing the noob population to be diluted across all the servers. Cuz yeah, all the noobs staring at rev will be bewildered.

[iceman2001]

I think all that needs to be said here has been.
/close


...dammit, I'm not a mod, am I?

[mantis33]

I don't like the noob population created by a default server. In fact, change it to 4 and it'll solve itself and screw over nobody.

That sounds better.

[Anarchy_United]

Assuming noobs don't know how to change server, then what happens when they get GL one day, and are trying to log on again when their default server is Banff? Same complaint threads, I made an account, but it won't let me log on again.

[gryph89]

If they're too stupid to see something that obvious. Then they shouldn't be triyng to play a strategy game in the first place.

[dirka dirka]

That sounds better.
Thank you.

The noob population would similarly be created on the default server if you just change the default server to a static value.
So the noob population would be created on revelations? That is an interesting outlook that makes no sense.

Truth. See dirka made a thread to show he looked at a file somewhere, while there was no reasoning behind it.
There was no reasoning behind my suggestion, which is a very common suggestion, and therein showing how easy it actually is?

Jeffery suggested a random value, with reasoning of allowing the noob population to be diluted across all the servers. Cuz yeah, all the noobs staring at rev will be bewildered.
The same bewilderment would be created with a random server. Maybe a cached random server per IP. The next quote in fact explains my position on this.

If they're too stupid to see something that obvious. Then they shouldn't be triyng to play a strategy game in the first place.
Exactly.

But they wouldn;t. If you set it for server 4, revelations, then they would be stuck trying to figure out why they couldn;t register on it.
The above quote in fact explains my position on this. You have a valid argument, don't get me wrong.

You know as well as anyone how stupid the average TAOer is, and how many threads would be created talking about the new accounts being broken if you set it to Rev as default.
I'd go with, the average number of threads created after a wipe multiplied by 30 or so days. This would be the low end, at least.

I know, uniq. You think I just found the file and was like, omg I'm gonna be soo cool and postzor about it. That isn't true. I found the file and then realized the implications, which are pretty great.

In conclusion: I think Jeffery has it 90% right. A random server would be better. The 10% left is just that it should be cached per IP.

[uniquinous]

I know, uniq. You think I just found the file and was like, omg I'm gonna be soo cool and postzor about it. That is true.

Glad we agree then. Glad Jeffery actually decided to take the useless thread and make a valid suggestion from it. Because no, your original suggestion and thus the initial point of this thread was to change it Army, which would simply keep the exact same problem (this is assuming army = 3 and not 2, seeing as you mentioned it's currently set to 1 and not 0). Thanks Jeffery. :bigsmile:

[Ignition]

Can we get more shutting up and less default server 1ing?

[dirka dirka]

Glad we agree then. Glad Jeffery actually decided to take the useless thread and make a valid suggestion from it.
and I'm the immature one? The suggestion, as I've said too many times, is pointing out the ease of doing it. Please, grow up and realize that not everything is about the ego.

Because no, your original suggestion and thus the initial point of this thread was to change it Army, which would simply keep the exact same problem (this is assuming army = 3 and not 2, seeing as you mentioned it's currently set to 1 and not 0). Thanks Jeffery. :bigsmile:
My initial suggestion was to change it. It doesn't create the exact same problem, as I live in GL.

[steve12]

Now that I think about it...


What harm is this "noob" population doing to you? You KNOW complaint threads will be popping up if this change happened. If you just leave it as is, there will be no fuss. The wipe makes it so the server doesn't lag like Legends, and I see almost as many noobs on each server as I see on Great Lakes.

Just ignore it and play the game. Heard of /chatfilter? Heard of just asking for a game and playing it? Heard of not complaing abot useless crap?




WHO CARES!!!! It's not that big of a deal.



Yeah, that's just my opinion, now that I think about it.

[dirka dirka]

Now that I think about it...

What harm is this "noob" population doing to you? You KNOW complaint threads will be popping up if this change happened. If you just leave it as is, there will be no fuss. The wipe makes it so the server doesn't lag like Legends, and I see almost as many noobs on each server as I see on Great Lakes.

Just ignore it and play the game. Heard of /chatfilter? Heard of just asking for a game and playing it? Heard of not complaing abot useless crap?

WHO CARES!!!! It's not that big of a deal.

Yeah, that's just my opinion, now that I think about it.

There is a fuss though and the noob population is annoying. The chat filter isn't the answer, ignoring the problem never is.

[stryker]

I say the default should be Legends and the noobs can congregate there.

[uniquinous]

There is a fuss though and the noob population is annoying. The chat filter isn't the answer, ignoring the problem never is.

Moving the noob population to Army doesn't solve the problem as you stated it. When you make a suggestion, you need to first point out a problem and/or possible improvement. Then you need to suggest a way to solve/initiate (respectively) it. Without such a reason, your suggestion is worthless.

Your first post didn't state any problem or improvement at all. You just said something you want to happen without reason.

Then you stated "There was no reasoning behind my suggestion". This, once again, is not a valid suggestion - just you doing something.

Then after much prodding by me, I got you to state your percieved problem: "I don't like the noob population created by a default server." This is a *valid* problem. Unfortunately, your solution doesn't actually address this problem, as your original solution of value=3 simply moves the noob population to a new default server (thus the problem still isn't changed as noob population and default server are linked).

Next, Jeffery came along, and gave a *good* suggestion which actually did address the problem you suggested. You tried to shoot him down, and failed.

Then, you claimed the new problem was that noobs were on *your* server. This means that your suggestion changes a large number of people on TAO just to suit the needs of dirka, again showing that it's a really worthless suggestion to everyone not you.

Lastly, you stated "I am showing how easy of a fix it is to make GL not the main server any more". Now, who are you showing this to? Cuz, the people who would actually change default servers, already know how easy it is. So either you're trying to tell them something they already know (which is pretty stupid), or you're trying to tell everyone else who wouldn't ever need to change it how to change it (also pretty stupid, and reaffirms my belief of you just wanting to tell everyone you found a file).


Dirka, do me a favor: never leave TAO. :) I'd get too bored

[dirka dirka]

Moving the noob population to Army doesn't solve the problem as you stated it.
Yes, it does, as I've pointed out, I play on GL.

When you make a suggestion, you need to first point out a problem and/or possible improvement. Then you need to suggest a way to solve/initiate (respectively) it. Without such a reason, your suggestion is worthless.
The problem has already been pointed out. I am suggesting the fix.

Your first post didn't state any problem or improvement at all. You just said something you want to happen without reason.
The problem has already been pointed out. I am suggesting the fix.

Then you stated "There was no reasoning behind my suggestion". This, once again, is not a valid suggestion - just you doing something.
I never stated that. You in fact stated it.

Then after much prodding by me, I got you to state your percieved problem: "I don't like the noob population created by a default server." This is a *valid* problem. Unfortunately, your solution doesn't actually address this problem, as your original solution of value=3 simply moves the noob population to a new default server (thus the problem still isn't changed as noob population and default server are linked).
Much prodding? You've replied the same way since post one in this thread.

Next, Jeffery came along, and gave a *good* suggestion which actually did address the problem you suggested. You tried to shoot him down, and failed.
Only it is not a valid fix because it would create the same problem as moving it to revelations.

Then, you claimed the new problem was that noobs were on *your* server. This means that your suggestion changes a large number of people on TAO just to suit the needs of dirka, again showing that it's a really worthless suggestion to everyone not you.
Why did my suggestion have to be for other people?

Lastly, you stated "I am showing how easy of a fix it is to make GL not the main server any more". Now, who are you showing this to? Cuz, the people who would actually change default servers, already know how easy it is. So either you're trying to tell them something they already know (which is pretty stupid), or you're trying to tell everyone else who wouldn't ever need to change it how to change it (also pretty stupid, and reaffirms my belief of you just wanting to tell everyone you found a file).
I'm showing it to the population. It is easy to rally behind an idea when you know it is a matter of 2 seconds to get the idea done. Your beliefs are always unfounded, I don't really care for them, so you do not need to tell me.

Dirka, do me a favor: never leave TAO. :) I'd get too bored
You might look intelligent for once too.

[uniquinous]

I never stated that. You in fact stated it.Actually, ya did (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1162354&postcount=22). Third paragraph down: "There was no reasoning behind my suggestion".

Why did my suggestion have to be for other people?Sometimes you are so eloquent at proving my point :) Thanks dear.

[dirka dirka]

Actually, ya did (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1162354&postcount=22). Third paragraph down: "There was no reasoning behind my suggestion".
Are you really that dull? Look again at what you claim is my saying I have no reasoning behind this suggestion.

"There was no reasoning behind my suggestion, which is a very common suggestion, and therein showing how easy it actually is?"

See how it ends in a question mark and is following the statement, made by you:

"... while there was no reasoning behind it."

Put 2 and 2 together, I know you can do it.

[uniquinous]

Finding a semantic loophole on the basis of a single punctuation mark while completely avoiding the valid argument that points out your vast shortcomings? Yep, sounds like dirka (hey, careful how you interpret that last line! it ends in a QUESTION MARK! :rolleyes:)

Let's take a look at ye olde booke of dirktactics (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?p=931681&highlight=dirka#post931681):
"You make vague posts that you hope people misinterpret, and even when they don't, you leave room for yourself to escape" check
"You end up saying nothing at all" check
"When someone makes a truly valid point against you, you start to argue semantics." check
"turn back on your own posts and look for loopholes." check
"You don't listen to any of the points being made against you, you are just thinking of ways to defend your point" check
"in your mind, if you back down you lose, but what you don't get, is that you lose anyways." check

:) Looks like you got it all covered :)

[dirka dirka]

Finding a semantic loophole on the basis of a single punctuation mark while completely avoiding the valid argument that points out your vast shortcomings? Yep, sounds like dirka (hey, careful how you interpret that last line! it ends in a QUESTION MARK! :rolleyes:)
Not at all. It has nothing to do with interpretation, I was repeating what you said with a question mark after it. It was asking you to explain. Get someone in on a judges ruling, you're a dolt.

Let's take a look at ye olde booke of dirktactics (http://www.tacticsarena.com/forum/showthread.php?p=931681&highlight=dirka#post931681):
"You make vague posts that you hope people misinterpret, and even when they don't, you leave room for yourself to escape" check
"You end up saying nothing at all" check
"When someone makes a truly valid point against you, you start to argue semantics." check
"turn back on your own posts and look for loopholes." check
"You don't listen to any of the points being made against you, you are just thinking of ways to defend your point" check
"in your mind, if you back down you lose, but what you don't get, is that you lose anyways." check
Here is the only problem: You don't have a point, so there is no point against me. You're just trying to call me out. Actually, very sad.


It has NOTHING to do with semantics. I repeated what you said with a question mark after it. This is OBVIOUSLY asking you to explain your statement. As I said before, you said it, not me. It isn't my post I'm going back on, it's yours, because you said it.

[uniquinous]

still arguing the semantics, eh? :rolleyes: delicious

[dirka dirka]

still arguing the semantics, eh? :rolleyes: delicious

It isn't semantics. I repeated what you said with a question mark after it. Are you really this dumb?

[uniquinous]

rofl rofl rofl rofl

[steve12]

Why don't you guys talk about the original suggestion rather than bashing each other with useless crap.

[uniquinous]

k - the original suggestion was useless for anyone not dirka.
jeffery made a valid suggestion of randomizing the default
dirka then made a poor suggestion of making the default rev, which would inevitably result in an increase of spam here (as jeffery pointed out).

that pretty much sums it up :)

[steve12]

k - the original suggestion was useless for anyone not dirka.
jeffery made a valid suggestion of randomizing the default
dirka then made a poor suggestion of making the default rev, which would inevitably result in an increase of spam here (as jeffery pointed out).

that pretty much sums it up :)


I know. I stand with Jeff's "random server" suggestion over Dirka's. I guess that's where the discussion about the actual suggestion now stands. Dirka, care to explain again why it is better on Rev vs Jeff's idea? As he said, it would cause a ton of useless threads.

Yet I said, who cares. :) Give me a valid reason please.

[gryph89]

Why don't you guys talk about the original suggestion rather than bashing each other with useless crap.

If its written in C++ I can fix it in five seconds :P

[Jeffery]

If its written in C++ I can fix it in five seconds :P
No you couldn;t.

[dirka dirka]

k - the original suggestion was useless for anyone not dirka.
jeffery made a valid suggestion of randomizing the default
dirka then made a poor suggestion of making the default rev, which would inevitably result in an increase of spam here (as jeffery pointed out).

that pretty much sums it up :)

No, it doesn't. I agreed with Jeffery but said it needs to be cached. I like how you pick what you want to read. HA! HAHA!! Quiet.

Dirka, care to explain again why it is better on Rev vs Jeff's idea?

Yes, because I don't and you need to read for yourself, never listen to uniq. Quote to prove it:

In conclusion: I think Jeffery has it 90% right. A random server would be better. The 10% left is just that it should be cached per IP.

No you couldn;t.

and nobody could, as it takes alot of time to view structure when coding if the code is not yours.

[Jeffery]

and nobody could, as it takes alot of time to view structure when coding if the code is not yours.


I was more refering to the fact that there is no way in hell Bills would ever allow him anywhere near the access needed.
:D

[gryph89]

I was more refering to the fact that there is no way in hell Bills would ever allow him anywhere near the access needed.
:D

I know -.-

I felt like boasting. I haven't done it in a while. ;)

[steve12]

I know -.-

I felt like boasting. I haven't done it in a while. ;)

Do it. I know what you were about to say... :p

[gryph89]

Do it. I know what you were about to say... :p

What I told you on AIM has nothing to do with C++

[uniquinous]

ah i see, trying to put jeffery's good idea down for a few posts threw me off a bit :rolleyes:

[dirka dirka]

ah i see, trying to put jeffery's good idea down for a few posts threw me off a bit :rolleyes:

Actually, your little argument started right after I said it. I agreed with Jeffery's idea I believe two replies after talking to him. You just are too arrogant to see anything but "must be noob kill dirka kill kill."

[Jeffery]

I feel like a kid watching his divorced parents fight over his attention........

[Justin Dishon]

Here is my idea... Let's add a Dirka chatfilter to the system to improve everyone's gaming experience. sorry just wondering what's up with the huge font?

[uniquinous]

Actually, your little argument started right after I said it. I agreed with Jeffery's idea I believe two replies after talking to him. You just are too arrogant to see anything but "must be noob kill dirka kill kill."So you admit your original idea and thus the reason behind you making this thread was crap, along with your initial defense against Jeffery which lasted a page and 4 responses back and forth? Just checking. :)

I feel like a kid watching his divorced parents fight over his attention........Come live with me dear, I'll take better care of you.

[dirka dirka]

So you admit your original idea and thus the reason behind you making this thread was crap, along with your initial defense against Jeffery which lasted a page and 4 responses back and forth? Just checking. :)

Where did I admit that? No, my original idea behind making this thread was not crap, after all it did spark an idea that we both agree on.

[uniquinous]

Where did I admit that?You didn't. I was asking. Notice the question mark at the end of the sentence? :rolleyes:

No, my original idea behind making this thread was not crap, after all it did spark an idea that we both agree on.This is true... So the idea in and of itself is crap, but the making of this thread to spark the discussion based on the idea was worth it. :)

[dirka dirka]

You didn't. I was asking. Notice the question mark at the end of the sentence? :rolleyes:
Exactly. You answered your own question.

This is true... So the idea in and of itself is crap, but the making of this thread to spark the discussion based on the idea was worth it. :)
Well, considering all I truly was motivated by in making this thread was clearing my home server of noobs, then it would make sense that the original idea in comparison to an idea that clears all the servers of noobs would appear better.

[steve12]

I wonder how long you two will keep this up. What is wrong with you Uni? ...Fightin' a pointless arguement against someone like Dirka here!

[dirka dirka]

I wonder how long you two will keep this up. What is wrong with you Uni? ...Fightin' a pointless arguement against someone like Dirka here!

It doesn't matter who is fighting, if they have a point, or even if they know what they are fighting about. The person who complains, you, is the only loser.

[steve12]

It doesn't matter who is fighting, if they have a point, or even if they know what they are fighting about. The person who complains, you, is the only loser.

No, the person who has to egg on an arguement with no SOLID reasons, you, is a baby.

[dirka dirka]

No, the person who has to egg on an arguement with no SOLID reasons, you, is a baby.

It isn't an argument, so that kinda kills your entire basis. You don't know us. Don't try and judge us.

[steve12]

Of coarse I know you Shannon...Brian...Matt? Eric it was! No, a reporter? Okay, nevermind.

[dirka dirka]

Don't change the topic. As I said, you don't know us.

[steve12]

Don't change the topic. As I said, you don't know us.

What am I supposed to say? You and Uni have like 10 different personalities and noone is sure if you are male (Eric) or female (Shannon?) It's not changing the subject, but I am done posting here. I am NOT getting roped into an argument with you. Again, it's pointless. Peace and good luck with it. Yet, noone cares. :)

[dirka dirka]

What am I supposed to say? You and Uni have like 10 different personalities and noone is sure if you are male (Eric) or female (Shannon?) It's not changing the subject, but I am done posting here. I am NOT getting roped into an argument with you. Again, it's pointless. Peace and good luck with it. Yet, noone cares. :)

Care isn't the issue, and I'm glad you decided to surrender as you knew you were defeated.