FPS Grey Team Playoff Mini-Tourney Sign-ups

[FryLock]

What a ridiculously long and silly thread title. :dry:

Ok - most of you know the deal. The FPS grey team needs to fill 1 or 2 spots on its roster. It has been decided, by the team, that the best way to do this is by having a playoff tourney.

1) This mini tourney is NOT a general open tourney. It is "semi-closed." This means that if you wish to play, you must post here. You will be allowed to play unless a majority of the current grey team vetoes. I also reserve an executive veto, so as to keep noobs and time-wasters out. I know, that sounds harsh - but this is NOT a tourney for just anyone to get experience in. Skilled greys ONLY. I would strongly prefer it if people wishing to veto would pm me instead of posting it in the thread, but I can't force anyone to do that.

2) Sign-ups will close 5 days from today. I'll say it again. Sign ups will close at 5pm Pacific Daylight Time, Friday June 22. There will be NO late sign-ups unless you have an excellent and compelling reason.

3) The tourney officially starts as soon as signups close. You may play games before then, but be aware that games played before the official start are merely practice games - they will not count on your record.

4) Records, however, aren't the be-all and end-all. If you are in this tourney, you should play both the other people in the tourney AND members of the current team. You need not necessarily win all your games to have a shot. We are looking for skill and consistency more than we are looking for raw numbers.

5) Although the primary focus will be on your gameplay, remember: your attitude counts. Think about that before you post a whiny rant about blocking or how your opponent disrespected you.

6) The final decision makers will be a majority of the current grey team.

7) There is 1 spot available for sure. If ninai does not contact us by the end of sign-ups, then he is off the team, and 2 spots will be available.

8) There will be a separate thread for results. Do not post results here. That thread will be made around the time that sign-ups close.

9) The tourney will end on July 9th. Again: The tourney will end at 5pm, Pacific daylight time, Monday, July 9th.

I think that's all. In case people are wondering, the current members of the team are:

Frylock
Gigolojlo
Airforceone
Bax varlet
~SlayeR~
Anarchy United
Ninai (???)
Worker
Allstar
Solingro
Powza
Pils

[FryLock]

Participants (unless vetoed). In parentheses are the number of vetoes, if any. 6 vetoes bars a player from participating.

There are 6 blanket vetoes against anyone who participated in the 1st tourney and was not selected.

Elemental (OUT - see above)
Wack-Head
Hoolwath
The Gold Master (OUT - see above)
kingedward (OUT - see above)
spencer 555 (OUT - see above)
Reckless
KBHolen1
pils (current member)
micspor (OUT - see above)
cliche (3)
Bax (current member)
Maverik07 (OUT - see above)
Planktiffy (OUT - see above)
Anarchy United (current member)
Tactoholic
Punishment (6) (OUT- VETOED)
gigolojlo gl (current member)
Frylock (current member)

[EleMENTAL]

I would like to participate

[~SlayeR~]

Good luck to all joining and playing. :-P

[Nitanius Nolund]

Stupid Legends, making me inelligible.

Good luck all.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Unless I am vetoed out of here, I'd like to participate.

[Hoolwath]

Unless I am vetoed out of here, I'd like to participate.

Same.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Teammates facing off! Oh, the excitement!!

If only Mith and Realist would sign up as well.

By the way, can't we just be declared winners of Mith's tournament so we can get on with this one? :bigsmile:

[powza]

By the way, can't we just be declared winners of Mith's tournament so we can get on with this one? :bigsmile:
So true....


Ill sign up. I am not sure if I have to or not or if I am in the team. If I am a sub then I want to play off for a starting guernsey...I am a little confused

[The Gold Master]

hi

count me in again, Im ready for some more BS decisions.

thanks

[kingedward]

Id imagine you guys will veto me, because of how i did in the previous tourney, but i am better than that, i think i just let the pressure get to me. If you guys will give me a second chance, then i will try my hardest to do one helluva lot better than i did in the other tourney.

[Mithrandir]

I would really, really, REALLY like to do this (as I think I expressed in the other thread) but I would feel really guilty if I did. I've squandered way too much of the last three weeks on this cursed game and I don't want the rest of the summer to be like that. If I do this FPS vs Leg thing, it will suck me into this game in a big and ugly way. Ten dropless grey games...eh, I can handle that. But all the practicing and warmups that would be necessary to play at my best would be very bad for my soul. I should have recognized the minute Giggles tried to talk me into it on rev that other night.

So with a heavy heart, I must decline. On one hand, now I feel like crap because I'm missing this opportunity. But on the other hand, for the first time in a couple of weeks I don't feel like crap because I know I'm doing the right thing.

I must add though, in this play-off thing, which may only have one spot available, are already two of the greatest greys in the history of this game, Wack and Hool, who are also two of the most competitive yet classy guys in this game and they should both be on the team. If Realist signs up too, I think not having enough room for them all to earn their spots will result in a weaker team, which is why I think it was a mistake to close the signups for the original tournament so early. Things happen in life and sometimes those things change. My humble opinion.

Good luck to all, give those legenders (especially that arrogant mousey fool;)) a major butt-whoopin'!

[~SlayeR~]

Bummer... :(

[gigolojlo gl]

hi

count me in again, Im ready for some more BS decisions.

thanks

What are you thinking when you write a post like this one?

And Mith, I am sorry the tourney could not work out for you but I am glad that you made the mature decision and remained out of this entanglement. Cheers and best of luck!

[Soda]

About the BS decisions that you guys made?

[The Gold Master]

thanks soda it appears some people dont understand the english langauge so thanks for the clarification soda

cant really make it any clearer than i have gig unless you want me to record me saying it in all the silables so its clear to understand.

thanks

[BaxVarlet]

thanks soda it appears some people dont understand the english langauge so thanks for the clarification soda

cant really make it any clearer than i have gig unless you want me to record me saying it in all the silables so its clear to understand.

thanks

You won't make the team if you're a dick.

[Mithrandir]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that The Gold Master is going to be vetoed.:p

[spencer 555]

Ill play in this thing if nowone has a problem with that.

[Reckless]

I'm in if i'm aloud.

[KBHoleN1]

Just for clarification, the ten dropless gray games are simply win/lose/draw? Because that is much more my style than the tag team tourney thing. I'll sign up for the mini tourney.

[FryLock]

There is no tag-team aspect to either this playoff or the eventual Rev vs. Legends games.

Powza - I thought I explained this thoroughly in my pm to you, pils and solingro. You 3 are doing your own round-robin playoff to determine which one of you takes dabooz' spot. The 2 of you that do not get that spot still have your sub spots secure, but you may also enter this to try and play your way up into a starting spot. Clear?

And TGM - put a sock in it. If you want on the team, try doing better than 7-6-1 and letting your scout die for no good reason.
Did you read the rules carefully? Apparently not. Let me quote rule #5 for you, so you can get it through your head:
5) Although the primary focus will be on your gameplay, remember: your attitude counts.

Seriously. This isn't the bitching thread. I can make one of those, if people want.

[FryLock]

double post = cool

Entrants are listed on the 1st page, 2nd post. I'll try to keep up to date. If a day or 2 goes by and I don't have you listed, please pm me.

[pils]

I am signing up.
I will drop out if I get b00z's spot.
Reason being: I'm not at home right now, I may not be able to play sol/powza before the sign ups close.
I hope thats ok, if not thats fine too...
~~~

Pils vetoes pils :p
(joke :dry:)

[Nitanius Nolund]

I veto pils

<3

[MicSpor]

<3 me.

I'll join.

[steve12]

Hm.. grey is probably my worst style of play, but I'll give it a shot. I can already see many good people up there. Out of all of them, I'd like a game with Ele. Sign me up, please.

EDIT: Forget it, I just remembered I have work frequently, and all the time on the weekends, so I doubt I'll be able to arrange many games. Good luck to all.

[allstarGL]

Wack, Hool, and Kb should be on this team no doubt. Can't we kick some people off(not me):p

This mini tourny is unreal so many good people joined up aleady, Why did you all wait so long damnit!

[Nitanius Nolund]

It's too bad that there will only be one or two spots for these guys to fill :(

[gigolojlo gl]

It's too bad that there will only be one or two spots for these guys to fill :(

There is MAYBE one starting spot open to them (Ninai's). The subs are exclusively fighting it out for b00z's position.

[allstarGL]

I think our subs, should go into this mini tourny too. It's kinda unfair I know, but it make our team a lot better.
Then we'd get 5 people from this tourny on the team, 2 in the finals make it as starters then three next as subs.
I can understand not wanting to screw people over that actually tried out in the first place but damn we could make a killer team.

[EleMENTAL]

I think our subs, should go into this mini tourny too. It's kinda unfair I know, but it make our team a lot better.
Then we'd get 5 people from this tourny on the team, 2 in the finals make it as starters then three next as subs.
I can understand not wanting to screw people over that actually tried out in the first place but damn we could make a killer team.

I agree. People like Wack, hool, and KB should be on the team. They are much better than some people on the current starting list. Just my opinion.

[gigolojlo gl]

I think our subs, should go into this mini tourny too. It's kinda unfair I know, but it make our team a lot better.
Then we'd get 5 people from this tourny on the team, 2 in the finals make it as starters then three next as subs.
I can understand not wanting to screw people over that actually tried out in the first place but damn we could make a killer team.

I think we should throw star down the well.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Still gig, there are a lot of awesome players that have signed up for this, and many of them are going to be turned aside because there simply isn't room for them.

[EleMENTAL]

I don't think we shoud make the subs yet. I say we just get the team, then decide on subs like we did for the turt tourney. Activity.

[gigolojlo gl]

Still gig, there are a lot of awesome players that have signed up for this, and many of them are going to be turned aside because there simply isn't room for them.

So... we tell people "tough luck" and boot them off the squad?

[Cliche]

Sign me up.

[allstarGL]

So... we tell people "tough luck" and boot them off the squad?

lol thats pretty rough yeah, but I guess it comes down to how bad do we wanna win this. When we can pick up about 3-4 players in this little miny tourny that are as good or better then anybody we have now, I think it's worth considering.

[FryLock]

considering that the team will be discussing who to take, I think it's pretty unlikely that someone would be selfless enough to say "you know what, person x is better than me, they can have my spot." :p

[EleMENTAL]

considering that the team will be discussing who to take, I think it's pretty unlikely that someone would be selfless enough to say "you know what, person x is better than me, they can have my spot." :p

I know my opinion might not mean much, but it is my opinion.

You have the authority as Team Captain to say who is better than who and replace them. You have the chance to make your team better than it already is. I know you might be trying to be fair to those who have worked hard for the spot, but the reality is, those people might not be as good as some of the people trying to make the team right now. And if we want to win this, we need the best possible team we can get.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I'm going to be straight forward, arrogant and maybe even rude in this post, so forgive me but I think it needs to be said. I do say this with all due respect for the team and the people that tried out, because you are all very good players.

Plus, I have a disclaimer: I've been out of the grey-scene a little while, so I'm not 100% sure of who the best of the best are.

However, this team is the FPS Team. Not the "People who tried out" Team. Therefore the team shouldn't be decided solely on this try-out tournament. Of course such a tournament is a great tool to judge people's skill and activity. But, in my opinion, it shouldn't the only tool to create the FPS team.

There are simply players who haven proven to be consistent great players, who are better than many of the participants of the try-out tournament (not all), who haven't been considered. The creation of this team has been greatly limited by only considering the participants.

The willingness to put more time into the FPS vs Legends tournament (it becoming two/three tournaments instead of one) shouldn't the determining factor in choosing the team. Choosing the best representing team for our servers should be the determining factor.

And this depends on activity, skill and attitude. Not just activity. Fine, some players need a little more encouragement and persuasion, but often their skill and attitude(reputation) make up for it.

Oh, and Mith is a douchebag for not joining. :bigsmile:

[solingro]

I think our subs, should go into this mini tourny too. It's kinda unfair I know, but it make our team a lot better.
Then we'd get 5 people from this tourny on the team, 2 in the finals make it as starters then three next as subs.
I can understand not wanting to screw people over that actually tried out in the first place but damn we could make a killer team.

I think all the starters should go into this mini tourny too. It's kinda unfair I know, but it make our team a lot better. Then we'd get 12 people from this tourny on the team, top 9 make it as starters then three next as subs.
I can understand not wanting to screw people over that actually tried out in the first place but damn we could make a killer team.

:rolleyes:

[WaCk-HeAd]

So... we tell people "tough luck" and boot them off the squad?

What about this:

First you let the team decide who are eligible for this mini-tournament, so it isn't just a second Try-Out tournament.

Second, you wait till it's clear who are the winners of this tournament.

Third, every player PM's the Captain of who they think are the weakest players in their team. Like 3 or 4.

Fourth, connect the weakest links with the winners of the tournament. (Best record vs the weakest player, second best record vs the second weakest player, etc...). Winner gets the spot on the team.

A problem could be that this takes too much time, but you actually have only one extra playing round. The tournament was going to happen anyway, and now an extra 1/2 games (depending on how many games you want to play) per player.

Note: Although I'm calling the players "weak", we're talking about the team so there are no "weak" players, just less great.

[FryLock]

I hear what everyone's saying...I guess all I can say now is that I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I would indeed feel bad booting some people off who have tried hard, etc.

There will be some tough decisions to be made, and I'm already resigned to the fact that no matter what, some people will be angry with me. Oh well. There are worse things than having internet people upset at you over a game. :cool:

[steve12]

I think all the starters should go into this mini tourny too. It's kinda unfair I know, but it make our team a lot better. Then we'd get 12 people from this tourny on the team, top 9 make it as starters then three next as subs.
I can understand not wanting to screw people over that actually tried out in the first place but damn we could make a killer team.

:rolleyes:


I agree. But remember guys, along with skill we need activity from the members, and they can't have attitude problems either. But I think Fry should choose this team.

[EleMENTAL]

As intresting as that sounds steve, i kind of agree with you. Just let Frylock choose the team. I am sure everyone trusts him. And it would lead to less controversy.

[Cliche]

As intresting as that sounds steve, i kind of agree with you. Just let Frylock choose the team. I am sure everyone trusts him. And it would lead to less controversy.

I agree. I say let Frylock choose the team.

[gigolojlo gl]

I don't particularly like the direction we are starting to take.

[Hoolwath]

I'm going to be straight forward, arrogant and maybe even rude in this post, so forgive me but I think it needs to be said. I do say this with all due respect for the team and the people that tried out, because you are all very good players.

Plus, I have a disclaimer: I've been out of the grey-scene a little while, so I'm not 100% sure of who the best of the best are.

However, this team is the FPS Team. Not the "People who tried out" Team. Therefore the team shouldn't be decided solely on this try-out tournament. Of course such a tournament is a great tool to judge people's skill and activity. But, in my opinion, it shouldn't the only tool to create the FPS team.

There are simply players who haven proven to be consistent great players, who are better than many of the participants of the try-out tournament (not all), who haven't been considered. The creation of this team has been greatly limited by only considering the participants.

The willingness to put more time into the FPS vs Legends tournament (it becoming two/three tournaments instead of one) shouldn't the determining factor in choosing the team. Choosing the best representing team for our servers should be the determining factor.

And this depends on activity, skill and attitude. Not just activity. Fine, some players need a little more encouragement and persuasion, but often their skill and attitude(reputation) make up for it.

Oh, and Mith is a douchebag for not joining. :bigsmile:

That is all truth Wack. A much better team could be made of people who have not tried hard to get a spot on the team.

But is it all that necessary? I would seriously feel like an ass if someone who tried hard in the orginal thread and played tons of games would get thrown out of the team because someone who did not give a spoon about it said he wants to participate with no real hard work done. Or if the person who wanted to be on the team much and dedicated it a lot of time would get replaced by someone who did not even say he would like to participate but got a Private Message saying he is wanted. :)

I think that the tourney should be fun. I do not care that Legenders do not take it alike. I would feel better if people who tried hard to get a spot on the team and were looking forward to representing FPS whooped legenders than a couple of bigheaded well reputated rusty old geniuses like ourselves did the job, even if it would be easier.

So if it stays like it was meant to be, that we, greats, will fill one or two spots I am in, if it is more than that I am out. That is my final word.

[EleMENTAL]

I don't particularly like the direction we are starting to take.

Why not?

[solingro]

I agree. I say let Frylock choose the team.

So basically people want this to turn into dictatorship?

[WaCk-HeAd]

...

Thanks for the guild-trip, stupid Slovakian.

Edit: Well, f*** that.

I still stand by what I said, because it's not just black and white.

We talk of the participants as if they gave their life for this Try-Out tournament. And we talk about us as if we're genius veterans who destroy everyone in our path after two practice games.

We're not crushing anyone's dreams and the "veterans" are not necessarily much better than the team.

We're just giving some people who have proven their skill, consistency and attitude through out the past years an opportunity to be on the representing team of FPS. I don't think it's wrong to cut such players some slack.

[Cliche]

So basically people want this to turn into dictatorship?

I trust Frylock to keep it fair.

[FryLock]

While I appreciate everyone's confidence in me, I'm somewhat against making EVERYone go back through a tourney, including the current team. That would essentially be saying that the first tourney didn't even matter.

I'm certainly open to a compromise, but I do think that the people who worked hard originally deserve to maintain a spot. I do not want to boot anyone (except ninai).

However, I think there is wiggle room within that though (e.g. taking 4 players from this mini tourney by team vote, and then trusting me to set a starting lineup from the available team; things along that line).

I think that balances out the necessity of team input, keeps me from having too much power, but allows for more opportunity and flexibility.

Thoughts?

I'll be back later, I'm going golfing.

[Hoolwath]

Thanks for the guild-trip, stupid Slovakian.

You are simply affraid I will take your spot on the team. :cool: Fighting for one spot among 12 greats is a much better competition, ya know.

:cool:

[WaCk-HeAd]

Read my edit. :)

I'm not afraid of anyone, especially not your rusty ass. I didn't earn that Phonebook description, however harsh it was, with dodging people!

I'm almost looking forward more to this mini-tournament than beating up some Legenders who are used to using 15 frosties.

Edit: Oh and someone give that dork Frylock his own special userbar since he's dying to let everyone know he's the captain and this just looks like crap.

[BaxVarlet]

I'll give up my spot on the team and enter the mini-tournament. I'm not scared of these noobs :P

[Hoolwath]

Read my edit. :)

I'm not afraid of anyone, especially not your rusty ass. I didn't earn that Phonebook description, however harsh it was, with dodging people!

I'm almost looking forward more to this mini-tournament than beating up some Legenders who are used to using 15 frosties.

Edit: Oh and someone give that dork Frylock his own special userbar since he's dying to let everyone know he's the captain and this just looks like crap.

Oh you sooo are. Despite your hoolarious edit. But the thing still stands. People tried and want to be on the team. It is hard to believe, but I actually saw how people care. Some people never said they want to participate and still are favorized. That is not fair.

I wish you had a heart, Wack!

*sings*NEverendingstoooooooooo-oryyyyyyyyyyyy ahahahaa hahahaaa hahahaa, neverendingstoooooooooooo-oryyyyyyyy aaaaa aaaa aaaa.

[Hoolwath]

I'll give up my spot on the team and enter the mini-tournament. I'm not scared of these noobs :P

This sounds very good, though, if more people _voluntarily_ did this I would not feel all that bad and we could filter the team somehow. Bubblesort.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I'll give up my spot on the team and enter the mini-tournament. I'm not scared of these noobs :P

Great attitude. True Omnipotentship!

You should watch out for Hool, though. I heard he'll be looking for a spot after I beat his ass and take the last one.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Oh you sooo are. Despite your hoolarious edit. But the thing still stands. People tried and want to be on the team. It is hard to believe, but I actually saw how people care. Some people never said they want to participate and still are favorized. That is not fair.

I wish you had a heart, Wack!


There might be some players who are favorized but they don't instantly get a spot. Their reputation, history and proven skill earned them an extra opportunity to be on this team.

If those people tried so hard and cared so much, they should start training and prove to everyone they deserve to be there.

Who wants a spot on a team they don't deserve to be on?

[Nitanius Nolund]

Bax just gained a lot of respect by putting his spot on the line :)

[skev21]

However, I think there is wiggle room within that though (e.g. taking 4 players from this mini tourney by team vote, and then trusting me to set a starting lineup from the available team; things along that line).

I think that balances out the necessity of team input, keeps me from having too much power, but allows for more opportunity and flexibility.


This seems like a good compromise for the team, some people won't be too happy about it, but seeing what happened in the Turtle Tourney with lack of games being played, extra subs could ensure more games are played and our winning margin is increased. I no im not on the team or anything, I just felt this seemed like the most sensible suggestion so far. It gives you guys a chance to build an even stronger team whilst not being too harsh on people that already "made it in".

[Nitanius Nolund]

Personally, I think that the current team and those that Frylock thinks would be good assets (those that have signed up here of course) should play off one last time to get the best possible team. Bax isn't afraid of losing that spot as he's so openly shown, and I think it would end a lot of problems.

[allstarGL]

Personally, I think that the current team and those that Frylock thinks would be good assets (those that have signed up here of course) should play off one last time to get the best possible team. Bax isn't afraid of losing that spot as he's so openly shown, and I think it would end a lot of problems.

so basically we just restart up the tryouts with limited people. It sounds like a good idea if we have enough time. I doubt everyone will like this idea though.

[Cliche]

so basically we just restart up the tryouts with limited people. It sounds like a good idea if we have enough time. I doubt everyone will like this idea though.

I'm going to agree with anything that allows a better, more solid team to be constructed. No offense to anyone currently on the team, I just believe there are better candidates.

[Nitanius Nolund]

True, but it tests gameplay under pressure. And shows you just how much people want to be on this team.

[Maverik07]

I would like to participate

[planktiffy]

i want in this please

[gigolojlo gl]

What you guys are suggesting is completely stupid. You are essentially saying the first tourney was all for nothing or pointless. Half of the people making a big fuss to erase the past team and initiate a new process were players who did not make the squad last time around. I find it interesting to see how we can simply brush away others because of a little hype. I called in Mith because we had one spot to fill. I did not plan on recreating a fresh new team. From the current list of people who wish to participate in this miniature tryout, I see three names who are possibly better than a few of the current team members (not excluding myself) and that were not originally signed up for the first round. Ninai has confirmed he will be active so technically, there is only one position open as a starter (b00z's). I say screw anybody who was not chosen for the previous draft or dropped out, and let the few players (Hool, Wack, KB, Reckless, and the subs) battle to see who should claim it. If one of the subs is chosen then the next best player can fill in on the bench. I was under the impression that this tourney was supposed to be for FPS members that did not get the chance to participate in the original tryouts, not to give everyone and their mother a second chance. We have an awesome team as it stands, I doubt recreating a team to include two "legends" will affect the overall outcome. I am continually reading the same post over and over again... "we can have such a better 'unit' if we just reconfigure and open up more spots," though when you break this whole mess down, this "greater" team would only be shaped by a few names. The ones that are glaring out at me are Wack, Hool, and KB. The rest of the list is made up of "rejects" and "quitters." So... please demonstrate to a fool such as myself where this crazy, sweet, owning, "let's tear apart everything we have done before now" team will come from.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I think plank should be denied on a'count of the fact that he doesn't have Cliche's ass

[Anarchy_United]

Why don't we check with legends to see if both teams want to expand the rosters? Maybe 12-14 (with 3 subs) people again. We have enough good people to fill it, and no matter how it goes down, someone good is not going to make the team.

On another note, if this is not done, I will be giving up my spot to compete in this mini-tourney. If I am not the best available with a sufficient attitude, I don't want to be on the team. However, if someone takes my spot, and is unactive, I will be very, very pissed.

[Nitanius Nolund]

*ramble ramble ramble*

Look gig, you know as well as I do that there are members on the roster here for this mini-tourny that deserve to be up there more than certain members of the current list.

Look, AU and Bax aren't afraid to put up their spots. If you think the team is elite, then let them prove it. I'm not saying that there are people on the current team that don't deserve to be there, but there are players that deserve to be there more than they do.

I tell you right now, if I was on this team (and I am full aware that I am not) I'd be doing the same thing Bax and AU have done. Those 2 are real sports.

[gigolojlo gl]

Look gig, you know as well as I do that there are members on the roster here for this mini-tourny that deserve to be up there more than certain members of the current list.

Look, AU and Bax aren't afraid to put up their spots. If you think the team is elite, then let them prove it. I'm not saying that there are people on the current team that don't deserve to be there, but there are players that deserve to be there more than they do.

I tell you right now, if I was on this team (and I am full aware that I am not) I'd be doing the same thing Bax and AU have done. Those 2 are real sports.

Give me these names that I did not already point out in my post.

[planktiffy]

I think plank should be denied on a'count of the fact that he doesn't have Cliche's ass

lol, no i gut it, just dont feel like making it my avy :p

[EleMENTAL]

Give me these names that I did not already point out in my post.

I don't mean to be conceded, but I do feel that I am better than some of the players on the current team.

[pils]

Meh, I don't care either way...
This is on you fry....

I'm sure my name is in a few people's heads right now, because I barely made the cut.
I would LOVE a bigger team... like 12 with 3 subs would be great... But I somewhat doubt that legends would agree with that. Because, naturally, they would be scared.

Fry I'm not necessarily giving up my spot, because I know I can go toe to toe with some of legends best. And I don't wanna miss out on that, but on the other hand I won't hold it against you if you think it best to replace me....

All in all though, not to be to cocky... I think this is matter of how badly everyone here wants to beat legends...
Put stinkydog and kingedward on the team, I'd still be confident in our chances.

[Mithrandir]

I am so glad I'm not in Fry's shoes right now.:)

[Maverik07]

lol, sick burn, but very true

EDIT: yea, i definitely agree with Mith on that one.

[pils]

Well Ninai just confirmed his activity...
I don't see fry kicking him now...

That leaves one spot... And it will probably be sub, if we stick to the original plan. With a single spot open, sub probably, I'm anxious to see if everyone wants to completley reform the team now....

I don't think its really neccissary...

[TACTOHOLIC]

I want to enter the mini-tourney.
Finally, what I was looking for, a chance to enter the team... Get ready because that spot has already a name.

[KBHoleN1]

Well, the only question for me with these type of things is activity. It's not that I can't make it on to play arranged games, and it's not that I don't have computer access every single day, because I usually do. I just don't play much anymore, and I can't ever promise I'll be on the very top of my game. When I am, I don't think I can lose.

That said, I feel I have a lot to offer to the team. I'm tough as balls to beat in a one-time meeting, and I know I can surprise a player or two with my spread. Even counters to my setup (which are bound to happen later in the games) don't work very well. My game right now is probably a B+ or an A-. That means I am just inconsistent, I'll play great in some stretches and bad in others. But I always find a way to win. My game against Allstar ... I played like balls for the first half, and came back to what I thought was going to be a draw, that with a couple lucky blocks turned into a win. Allstar plays solid all the way through, but I'm tricky enough with my spread to turn the tables and squeak out a way to win.

I'll try and prove myself in this tourney, because I know what I'm capable of. Playing against people I've faced before, it gets tougher every time I face them because they begin to know what to expect. But against Legenders, who may not know who I am, I think I have a huge advantage.

[planktiffy]

same, i have played a bunch of legenders who i hear are quite good(cant remember there names atm) and beat them. i think they get cocky too much though, and im here to stop that :) (if i get on the team with some miracle) :)

[FryLock]

What the hell, people.

So, as I see it we have 2 options: keep the team as is, with 1 add'l spot up for grabs, or open it up AGAIN, with, I guess, my spot secure? But then, that's not really fair either. Yeah, I had a fine record, but who's to say I wouldn't get clobbered by the new batch?

I still want to put forth my compromise idea: The people who are on the team MAY stay on the team, but they may also enter the tourney. If they enter the tourney, they put their spot at risk, but it earns them big cajones points and sets a good example.

At the end of the mini, the current team (or perhaps I can get mith to help decide, since he will be un-biased) decides who comes on board. I would propose that we take 4 or 5 people from this tourney (or more, if a lot of current members step up to play some more). Add them to the current team, then allow me to choose the starting lineup.
What are people's thoughts on something like this?

[solingro]

From those 15, I myself would determine the starting lineup.

What are people's thoughts on something like this?

I just hope you know how good everyone is to make that determination. This is the problem letting one person deciding the team, unless he knows everyone well, he can't make good/unbiased judgments.

[gigolojlo gl]

What the hell, people.

So, as I see it we have 2 options: keep the team as is, with 1 add'l spot up for grabs, or open it up AGAIN, with, I guess, my spot secure? But then, that's not really fair either. Yeah, I had a fine record, but who's to say I wouldn't get clobbered by the new batch?

I still want to put forth my compromise idea: The people who are on the team stay on the team, but they may also enter the tourney. If they enter the tourney, they put their spot at risk, but it earns them big cajones points and sets a good example.

At the end of the mini, the current team (or perhaps I can get mith to help decide, since he will be un-biased) decides who comes on board. I would propose that we take 5 more people than there are starting spots. Thus, we would have a total of 15 people. From those 15, I myself would determine the starting lineup.

What are people's thoughts on something like this?

Just let ONLY the newcomers and subs duke it out for b00z's spot.

[Mithrandir]

What the hell, people.

Welcome to leadership.:)
At the end of the mini, the current team (or perhaps I can get mith to help decide, since he will be un-biased) decides who comes on board. I would propose that we take 5 more people than there are starting spots. Thus, we would have a total of 15 people. From those 15, I myself would determine the starting lineup.

What are people's thoughts on something like this?

Actually, I think this is a reasonable suggestion. People that have already been put on the team don't get kicked off but if they don't deserve to start over stronger players, they don't get to. I think adding sub spots is a good move.

And I'd be happy to offer my suggestions for who should be on the team. It's the least I can do.

[gigolojlo gl]

I am not so sure about the whole "everybody back in the well" idea because I would like to think the fifty plus games I played counted for something.

On the other hand, I am open to allowing a few more spots on the squad... SOLELY for players who have not yet gotten the opportunity to tryout.

[FryLock]

Thank you mith. I actually edited my post a bit, but not so much that it'll really change things.

Gigolo, I know what you think, but you seem to be in the minority. No decision has been made yet, though.

So here's what I really need to know. Any future posters PLEASE respond to this:

This part of the proposal has been changed. Go see my post on the next page.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I want to enter the mini-tourney.
Finally, what I was looking for, a chance to enter the team... Get ready because that spot has already a name.

And another solid player that signs up for a chance to steal a lone spot on this team.

I won't go as far as to say Legends sucks at dropless grey. I've played there long enough and have enough respect for them to know that they don't. But what I know is that they are not on the same caliber as the best we have here.

I looked through both lists, and from what I know about the players here, you have some very good players in TACTO, KB, Wack, and Hool, as well as some other players that haven't signed up for the tournament. There are other great players that dropped out of the tournament for whatever reason and wish to try again.

Still, no matter what, I look at both lists and I see the possibility of a great team. Gig, you told me on MSN that for 5 players you'd be down for my idea which was stated earlier. Well right now you have 4 people all trying to get 1 spot.

I'll be arrogant here, and I know I'm going out on a limb to say it. When I'm on my game I am better than a few of the members you have on the current team. I was rusty and out of practice when the original try-out tournament began and I played like shit. You are great players, I would never say anything short of that, but if I was able to actually play in the tournament, I'd sign up for this mini-tryout tournament, and I'll be arrogant enough to say I might make the list. When I'm confident and determined, I win.

Now that I've done my gloating I'll say that there are members of the team that are much better than myself. And not only that, they are more consistant.

Activity is great, but you need players who are consistent in their abilities. You have a few members that lack that on your current list. They know who they are so I won't bother going on with who.

Fry, like Mith I'd hate to be in your shoes, because no matter what you decide people will not like the outcome. I stated what I would do, but from here on in, it's all up to you.

EDIT: Just saw your post Fry. I'd go with #2

[FryLock]

IROK, it's not a choice between 1 and 2. The question is, Do you like #1, and regardless of your feelings on #1, are you ok with #2?

[Nitanius Nolund]

Fry, I realize that it's not my choice, but that's my opinion. I have enough trust in you as a third party to make the best team. Besides, I just like voting :)

[Mithrandir]

Activity is great, but you need players who are consistant in their abilities. You have a few members that lack that on your current list. They know who they are so I won't bother going on with who.

Hey noob, if you're going to emphasize a word, spell it correctly.:p

[FryLock]

Both Mith and IROK have offered to help choose the new players, however many or few there are. I'm going to take them up on that, as there is now the potential for conflicts of interest if the current team votes.

Also, even though I'm running the thing, I don't want anyone to think that I'm above benching myself. If I think that we'll have a better chance with me not in the starting lineup, I wouldn't hesitate. (Heh...it would also free up some much-needed time...)

-EDIT- dang it, IROK! What's the matter with you? I'm not saying it's not your choice, I'm saying it's not a choice, period!!! 1 and 2 are unrelated!

[Nitanius Nolund]

Hey Mith, look a distraction!!!!

*Mith turns*
*IROK kicks Mith in the nuts*

Ass...

<3

[solingro]

2) Do you trust me to be unbiased and fair in choosing the best team to beat legends, once we have our player pool, no matter how that pool has been acquired?

Not questioning your character, but I think the question is have you played everyone on the team few time (and those that come out of the mini tourney), and if not will you? It's not a question of will you be fair but do you know everyone well enough to make that decision. For example I hate to see poor Wack get left out just because no one has heard of him :p.

[Mithrandir]

Ass...

For life. :D

[FryLock]

Stop spamming. Please.

Since the thread is getting buried, I'm posting this again. PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPINION.

Note that these are separate issues! I want your opinions on both, it is not a choice between one or the other.

1) The people who are on the team MAY stay on the team, but they may also enter the tourney. If they enter the tourney, they put their spot at risk, but it earns them big cajones points and sets a good example.

At the end of the mini, I, Mith, and IROK decide who comes on board. The input of team members will also be valued, but Mith and IROK will count more (this also means that they will count more than me). I would propose that we take 4 or 5 people from this tourney (or more, if a lot of current members step up to play some more).

2) Do you trust me to put forth the best starting lineup I can, from our player pool, regardless of how we get that eventual pool?

[BaxVarlet]

1) I already said I would give up my spot and enter the mini-tournament.

2) Yes, I believe you'd be unbiased and pick the best team possible.

[Punishment]

I would like to participate :)

[FryLock]

You're not also trying out for Legends, are you? No matter what, that would be an automatic disqualification.

[Nitanius Nolund]

-EDIT- dang it, IROK! What's the matter with you? I'm not saying it's not your choice, I'm saying it's not a choice, period!!! 1 and 2 are unrelated!

Ah, my apologies. I either read it wrong or am a complete tard. I'm going with the latter.

In any event, as far as #1 goes, I have mondo respect for the players that are putting their asses on the line.

[Punishment]

Nope, not trying out for legends.

Wasn't intending on playing in this , since i'm not a big fan of grey, but figured i really have nothing better to do, so why not.

[gigolojlo gl]

1) I already said I would give up my spot and enter the mini-tournament.

2) Yes, I believe you'd be unbiased and pick the best team possible.

I'll step up to the plate as well. I can't let Bax have all the glory ;). Balls to the wall!

[FryLock]

Just as an aside - current members who are entering - you are indeed putting spot at risk, BUT your performance in the first tourney will absolutely be taken into consideration. So it wasn't all in vain.

[Mithrandir]

To be honest, I think that Pun playing for legends in the turtle tourney like a month ago should disqualify him. Sorry Pun.

[Mithrandir]

To everyone currently on the team complaining about the newcomers: know that whether or not it's true, as I told Giggles in rev a few minutes ago, it does kind of look like you're just scared you'll lose your spot. Keep that in mind when you decide whether or not to participate in this thing. Again, no disrespect, I'm not saying that's what it is. But it sure as hell appears that way and it sure as hell will not strike fear into the hearts of the legenders. I would advise you all to participate in this tournament and lay it all on the line.

[Cliche]

I say either some people start growing some 'nads' and putting there spot on the line, or Frylock makes a joint decision with Mithrandir and IROK on who to force into this mini-tournament (four or five people).

I think there are a lot better candidates (Hool, KB, Wack, Tacto) than some of the people on the current team, like I've said before. Hell, I think I could even take the spot of some of the 'lesser' players. No offense to you guys, but I just think this team needs some improvements if they want to have a shot at winning.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Just as an aside - current members who are entering - you are indeed putting spot at risk, BUT your performance in the first tourney will absolutely be taken into consideration. So it wasn't all in vain.

Come now, anyone that thought the other tournament was moot really needs to learn a few things. You guys played your asses off, and we will remember that when we convey for our final decisions.

[solingro]

Stop spamming. Please.

Since the thread is getting buried, I'm posting this again. PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPINION.

why...This is like the 3rd or 4th time you've ignored my post :/.

probably ignore this one too...

[FryLock]

All you've said is "oh, this is a dictatorship" or "how will you possibly be able to make a decision?"

#1, I'm taking steps not to make it a dictatorship. #2, I'll make the best decision I can with all the info that I have, including my battles, battles that I've seen described, and opinions of pretty much anyone.

But please, continue to whine and complain without suggesting a workable alternative. It's really helpful.

[Punishment]

Well,

Mith, I was originally intending to play for FPS, but didn't like the way the tourney was being run to pick the team and such. I probably still would have helped, but was forced out by a few of the members/leaders of the tournament.

Anyways, I havn't said i would help legends in this, but if you/the others want to keep me out, i won't object really.

Also, just had my first game and beat bax with my uber skillz.

lawl.

[Maverik07]

1) i think that everybody on the team should put themselves back into the pool with this more highly skilled bunch of players. If they are the best, they should have nothing to worry about, right? If they are the best, nothing will change. And we are looking for the best.

2) I would rather it would be a group decision because you dont really know me or my abilities, i feel. All you know, from my point of view, is that i played like crap in our first game that we had and that i like to argue with gig. I would like a better chance than that...

[solingro]

Critiquing the system your proposed is whiney? I never said anything directed at you personally. Since you kept saying "you" will determine the final lineup, all I asked was how will you do that without having played all of the players few times to be able to make that decision.

A response would be
1) I will try to play at least 1 games if not more with all of the players before making my decision.

2) I will consult others that I trust who have played them.

3) Discuss another alternative.

Or I guess you could just call me whiney. It's really helpful :rolleyes:.

[FryLock]

All I can say in response to objections to me picking the starting lineup: I'm the captain. It's my job to get to know the team, and not just base my opinions on a whim or 1 game long ago. I'm going to be talking to everyone I can throughout, and I hope people will write detailed battle reports, as well. I'm not just going to be sitting back doing nothing.

Having the final team decide on a starting lineup is just asking for disaster.

I will do my best to be fair and impartial and knowledgeable.

Or, you all can just elect another captain when it's all done and turn the sh*tstorm on him.

It'll be the same results, just a different target.

It's not going to be a perfect world.

[Nitanius Nolund]

C'mon, give Fry a break. He's got a lot on his shoulders right now because of what's occurring now, and he's doing a fantastic job. He'll do what's right for the team. Trust in that.

[solingro]

It's my job to get to know the team, and not just base my opinions on a whim or 1 game long ago. I'm going to be talking to everyone I can throughout, and I hope people will write detailed battle reports, as well. I'm not just going to be sitting back doing nothing.


Thanks, that is all I am looking for. Just wanted to know if all you are basing on is one game in the past or simply putting a guy on sub just cuz you don't know him.

Again, if it's not clear yet, I'm not questioning your leadership, but the process involved (independent of who's the captain).

With that said,
1) I don't mind
2) Sure

[Geoffrey]

I will play if I can. Even though i still see it as a lame idea letting people who had their chance to sign up and didn't have a go for it.

Let the TEAM choose who THEY want in this tourney.

Let the people who already played in have a chance and a FEW exceptions that the TEAM as a WHOLE choose.

[WaCk-HeAd]

. For example I hate to see poor Wack get left out just because no one has heard of him :p.

Well, if Frylock is choosing the team, I want to at least play him once seriously.

He's always distracting me with his bullshit and I think he even managed to beat me once at grey. It was a disgrace. :bigsmile:

I would suggest you guys first elect the people who can try out for this tournament, before making any other decisions.

And Geoff, apparently, since the teammembers are volunteering, they want to give us the opportunity to be on the team.

And last but not least, much respect to the guys who are voluntarily putting their spot at risk. I look forward to playing you guys.

[pils]

1: Do it...
What the hell right...
2: The current team makes some final decsions...
Like the current team votes... or something. I think that mine and bludz effort should count for something. :p

Oh and just so you assholes know, if I get replaced... I'm still keeping my DAMM USERBAR! :p
Oh, and for the record... A lot has been mentioned about consistency, and I know that I'm not exactly known for being the most consistent player.
And thats one of the main reasons I was on the fence. But I have been training a lot latley... And I think it may have payed off.

So with that... Just put me in the mini tourny... I am risking my spot. Hopefully my training will have payed off, and I will, at the very least, keep my spot as sub...

[Anarchy_United]

I would like to participate :)

Sorry Punish, but you competed for the LEGENDZ team in turtles. Legends for all the tournies, or FPS for all the tournies, no flip-flopping back and forth.

Also, 1) I'm putting my spot on the line
2) I trust Frylock completely for picking teams.

[pils]

I want a bigger team...
Whos with me?

I think that if everyone agrees, we should ask bots to add 2 more slots to the roster... It's not to late for him to implement that for his team, and it obvviously isn't for us....

[Worker]

I think there are a lot better candidates (Hool, KB, Wack, Tacto) than some of the people on the current team, like I've said before. Hell, I think I could even take the spot of some of the 'lesser' players. No offense to you guys, but I just think this team needs some improvements if they want to have a shot at winning.

If you are going to call out people as lesser players, at least have the balls to name them. You cant say "no offense" then say whatever you want about people. If you had the ability to take a spot you would of stayed in the tourney and done just that.


Ill play whatever games you people want me to(to make the team again :rolleyes:), but the funny thing about this is, the ONLY reason this is being considered is because of these players reputations(Hool, KB, Wack, Tacto). Its not fair one gdmn bit to the people who were active and worked their asses off to get games in. If this was a another group of players who were mediocre but had honest reasons why they couldnt participate in the longggggg tryout process, we wouldnt be having this debate at all. Granted I want to have the best team possible, but the tryouts went very well, and everyone was having a good time with this....now its a total shit hole. For the record, the majority of the people bickering in this debate are the same ones who acted immature in the tryouts themselves.



1)At the end of the mini, I, Mith, and IROK decide who comes on board. The input of team members will also be valued, but Mith and IROK will count more (this also means that they will count more than me).


2) Do you trust me to put forth the best starting lineup I can, from our player pool, regardless of how we get that eventual pool?

1)wtf ? what the hell happened to blud and pils running this thing, since when did it become MITH AND IROK???

2) Yes we trust you, and that should be the end of it right there.

[pils]

Worker has a good point... But meh I don't really care what you do fry... I just hope it works out for the best.

[Mithrandir]

1)wtf ? what the hell happened to blud and pils running this thing, since when did it become MITH AND IROK???

I don't know where blud fits into the equation, that's a good question. Unless I'm mistaken, Fry wants our input because he trusts our judgment AND because we aren't in the tourney, and can therefore be more objective than pils or you can.

[Nitanius Nolund]

1)wtf ? what the hell happened to blud and pils running this thing, since when did it become MITH AND IROK???

I love you too Worker ;)

But seriously, me and Mith are the impartial third parties. Both of us have played you guys before and know what you are capable of, and won't be biased because we're friends.

[gigolojlo gl]

I love you too Worker ;)

But seriously, me and Mith are the impartial third parties. Both of us have played you guys before and know what you are capable of, and won't be biased because we're friends.

To be honest, I do not think you are as impartial as you believe you are.

[Nitanius Nolund]

And why is that? If you want to express an opinion, I'll gladly hear you out.

[gigolojlo gl]

And why is that? If you want to express an opinion, I'll gladly hear you out.

I already expressed my opinion. I'd prefer if Bludz took your spot.

[Nitanius Nolund]

To be honest, I do not think you are as impartial as you believe you are.

OK, gig, this is a half-opinion. You need some meat to back up your thesis. I asked why, and if you don't want to make it public, then please, send me a PM and we can discuss this further.

I know when and when not to be biased. I can guarantee I will be completely impartial in the decision making.

[gigolojlo gl]

OK, gig, this is a half-opinion. You need some meat to back up your thesis. I asked why, and if you don't want to make it public, then please, send me a PM and we can discuss this further.

I know when and when not to be biased. I can guarantee I will be completely impartial in the decision making.

I really do NOT need to back up my "thesis" (if that makes any sense) because it is simply my opinion. Having participated in the tourney, You are prone to some previous notions that may or may not be true. As a whole, the past is past but you have made a few questionable decisions that have produced a variety of negative effects. I believe Bludz would do a much better job than you can, considering he has been a "judge" since day one of this process. He should not be dropped from the panel. Do not take this post the wrong way but I think you let your emotions get to you a lot, which thus interferes with your decision-making skills/moral compass.

[Punishment]

Sorry Punish, but you competed for the LEGENDZ team in turtles. Legends for all the tournies, or FPS for all the tournies, no flip-flopping back and forth.

Also, 1) I'm putting my spot on the line
2) I trust Frylock completely for picking teams.

Ey man, I said before that I originally wanted to be on FPS, but the people running the turtle tourney were being dicks.

This one seems to be better run, and I don't have a problem with fry or anyone who happens to be in charge.

Also, because of my insane skillz, i think FPS should definately want me. :p

[bludhoundz]

1)wtf ? what the hell happened to blud and pils running this thing, since when did it become MITH AND IROK???



I was running the first tournament. I didn't say I'd have anything to do with this one, nor did I ever think another tournament was necessary.

If Fry or whoever would like me to help / judge, I would be more than happy.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I really do NOT need to back up my "thesis" (if that makes any sense) because it is simply my opinion. Having participated in the tourney, You are prone to some previous notions that may or may not be true. As a whole, the past is past but you have made a few questionable decisions that have produced a variety of negative effects. I believe Bludz would do a much better job than you can, considering he has been a "judge" since day one of this process. He should not be dropped from the panel. Do not take this post the wrong way but I think you let your emotions get to you a lot, which thus interferes with your decision-making skills/moral compass.

Fair statement, and your final words are the "meat" of your thesis.

I offered assistance, Fry accepted. There's nothing to it besides that. And me playing the lot of you isn't going to hurt/better your chances of making this team as far as I'm concerned, well, the outcomes anyway. It's about how you played overall, what you did in certain circumstances, etc.

My emotions won't get the best of me gig. I can assure you of that.

[pils]

drama llama.... Nice seeing you here again.

[gigolojlo gl]

Fair statement, and your final words are the "meat" of your thesis.

I offered assistance, Fry accepted. There's nothing to it besides that. And me playing the lot of you isn't going to hurt/better your chances of making this team as far as I'm concerned, well, the outcomes anyway. It's about how you played overall, what you did in certain circumstances, etc.

My emotions won't get the best of me gig. I can assure you of that.

People cannot change that quickly.

[Worker]

I don't know where blud fits into the equation, that's a good question. Unless I'm mistaken, Fry wants our input because he trusts our judgment AND because we aren't in the tourney, and can therefore be more objective than pils or you can.Thanks for that nugget of information but I never said myself, nor did I imply my opinion should be taken into account. :)

I dont wish to argue with you Mith, my feelings on the matter werent directed at you persay. That being said, I see how your imput would be usefull and agree that YOU can be more objective. You also have a pretty good sense of who is currently on top of their grey game from watching your own tourney.


To be honest, I do not think you are as impartial as you believe you are.

drama llama.... Nice seeing you here again. lol.... Its true irok, there was the constant drama surrounding you participating in this tourney, which you did for a bit, now this. How you come off as being "impartial" I dont understand. Thats nothing against you or how I feel about you personally, thats just the way it is regarding this matter.



Also, because of my insane skillz, i think FPS should definately want me. :pId rather have you for your insane good looks.


I was running the first tournament. I didn't say I'd have anything to do with this one, nor did I ever think another tournament was necessary.

If Fry or whoever would like me to help / judge, I would be more than happy.Your opinion matters, as you took the time to play most of us already anyway.

[Punishment]

WEED

asfdasf

[pils]

veto!!!!!!!
:p

[Punishment]

WACK!
asfdasfd

[Nitanius Nolund]

Pun, stop spamming, Fry's already asked that of us.

[bludhoundz]

lol.... Its true irok, there was the constant drama surrounding you participating in this tourney, which you did for a bit, now this. How you come off as being "impartial" I dont understand. Thats nothing against you or how I feel about you personally, thats just the way it is regarding this matter.


Your opinion matters, as you took the time to play most of us already anyway.

Owch at the top part for IROK.

As for my part, perhaps. I have only played gig, Fry, yourself, bax and pils I believe. I've played others in the past, but not during this tourney. It's not like I have gauged everyone's skill level completely accurately (especially considering I didn't get to play all of you).

[Nitanius Nolund]

Worker, you bring up a good point. Yes, there was controversy about me being in this tournament, and I was kicked out of it. Sure, it sucked, but that would have any affect (as far as my part in the tournament is concerned) on who my picks are going to be. I am going to pick the players that deserve to make this team, and my picks might surprise a few people.

It seems though that there are a few people that would rather I don't help out. I'll leave it up to Fry. If he still wants my help, he has it, if not, I still want to be the team bitch :)

[Worker]

Thanks for understanding where I was coming from IROK. Id just like to see this all settled and cleared up ASAP.

[Punishment]

Pun, stop spamming, Fry's already asked that of us.

ERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Don't tell me what to do.

and worker, you jackass, you didn't bring it home :(

I'm hurt.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Thanks for understanding where I was coming from IROK. Id just like to see this all settled and cleared up ASAP.

I can hardly get mad for you voicing an opinion Worker. Let's hear what Fry has to say on the matter.

[gigolojlo gl]

I can hardly get mad for you voicing an opinion Worker. Let's hear what Fry has to say on the matter.

That's the problem right there. I am sorry but does Fry get to make the final decision on EVERYTHING now? Can we reconsider the whole council idea Bax came up with? I trust Fry but I cannot see leaving him alone to say the last word each time as being the best course of action. I was not aware that the team captain got so much power and yet, we no longer have a team!

[Nitanius Nolund]

It's not Fry's call on everything gig. But as far as me helping out, it is. He is running this tournament, and I offered to help out. If he wishes to keep that help, the decision on this team would not solely be put on his shoulders. Mith, myself, and you guys as well in your own ways would be contributing.

[gigolojlo gl]

It's not Fry's call on everything gig. But as far as me helping out, it is. He is running this tournament, and I offered to help out. If he wishes to keep that help, the decision on this team would not solely be put on his shoulders. Mith, myself, and you guys as well in your own ways would be contributing.

In the end, he is the person calling the shots. Name one thing he has not made the final decision on (since we elected him).

[Nitanius Nolund]

He isn't forcing you to play in this mini-tournament for one. You put that on the line on your own.

[pils]

The powers of team captain were not neccissarily laid out... Frankly I didn't expect the captain to have to do much other than set a good example.

For the record this tourny was a group decision, in essence Fry isn't hosting this tourny any more than the rest of the current team. Other than the fact that he made the thread. Now I know his aim isn't to dictate what happens, but at the same time I think the CURRENT team should have more say than anyone at this point, in a group effort... Voting of some sort would be ideal. Possibly captain counting for two...

Biased or not, the team needs players they can all get along with/agree upon. A team was made... I don't think it should be trashed because one person cannot participate...
People had their chance to tryout, they missed out. BETTER LUCK NEXT YEAR... We need one more position to fill, and now the captain is considering replacing 3-5... Don't make mine and bludz efforts in vain....

I realize I have kinda flip flopped on this issue a few times... Kinda going back and forth.
But when you look at it... We don't have a bad team. We just need one more spot to fill.

Their will ALWAYS be that, "but we could have a better team," sense of mind... At least in some people. I think this should be more about having fun and possibly beating legends in the process. NOT stabbing people you consider "friends of the game" in the back just to beat legends....

[Punishment]

That's the problem right there. I am sorry but does Fry get to make the final decision on EVERYTHING now? Can we reconsider the whole council idea Bax came up with? I trust Fry but I cannot see leaving him alone to say the last word each time as being the best course of action. I was not aware that the team captain got so much power and yet, we no longer have a team!

Sheesh

Gig, if you're so pussy that you won't give up your spot, then just stop posting.

We know you have no skillz already.

No need to reconfirm it.

[bludhoundz]

Like he didn't put his spot on the team on the line in 50 games in the original tourney? :rolleyes:

[Nitanius Nolund]

Sheesh

Gig, if you're so pussy that you won't give up your spot, then just stop posting.

We know you have no skillz already.

No need to reconfirm it.

You know, this really isn't upping your chances of making the team...

[bludhoundz]

You know, this really isn't upping your chances of making the team...

I doubt he cares very much.

[Punishment]

You know, this really isn't upping your chances of making the team...

And whose decision is it?

Not yours, I don't think.

[Mithrandir]

The people that should represent FPS should be the best candidates in a variety of ways, one of them is attitude. I think some of you are just coming across like you're trying to cover your own butt, whether that's true or not. Yes, I will call you out Pils and Gig.

I believe the previous tournament is relevant and if my opinion is still desired, I will take it into consideration. Little known fact: when I cast votes for who I think should or shouldn't join SI, more of the decision has to do with whether or not the people have the guts to lay it on the line and play than on whether or not they're any good. If they suck, meh, we can train 'em up as long as they show that intangible, indescribable quality of potential. But the nerve of, say, Gig in the first tournament, playing constantly, putting his rear end on the line, means something.

However, no disrespect to Bludz or Pils, but obviously the previous tournament wasn't run nearly as well it could have been, so stop getting so bloody defensive of it. Yes Pils, I see your sig and you have a high opinion of the job you did. I'm sure you did a fine job. But not so good a job that it effectively established who should be on the team, obviously, because we still have all this going on. So lighten the hell up! Closing the signups when you did was a big mistake and the way you ran the tournament you ended up with people that should have had their shot that didn't, partially because of a lack of accurate information (the reason I did not try out).

So final verdict: previous tournament was pretty good. It was good enough to show what most of you are made of but not good enough to get all the top players to compete against each other, because you failed to get all the top players in it, and you could have. So now that is being rectified.

Some of you had good records but I'd like to see if you can have similarly good records with the new strong players in the mix. I don't want to see any more whining.

Pils and Gig, you've already volunteered to put your spots on the line, an admirable decision. Don't nullify that admirable decision by continuing to whine about the original tournament. It isn't all in vain, but it wasn't good enough. Drop it.

[gigolojlo gl]

He isn't forcing you to play in this mini-tournament for one. You put that on the line on your own.

Alright... gloves off. I am going to be brutally honest with you, IROK, so heed my words. I do NOT want a response because this statement is not one that needs to be argued. I know I am not alone in these thoughts I am going to voice since I have spoken with other team members, and that is good enough for me to proceed. Where the hell do you get off in thinking you are some big hot-shot judge now? I never elected you to make any decision on what our final team should consist of and I damn well don't care if you want to help. You are NOT an impartial player and can NOT make the correct choices under pressure. The only reason you are playing on FPS is because Legends gave you the boot. Do NOT come over here after two or three months and think you know everything because frankly, you barely know anything. A politician can promise homosexuals the right to get married but what are the chances that he will actually follow through on his word (especially if he has a shady past)? I think it is great you have guaranteed that you won't be bias but as I previously pointed out, you are prone to letting your emotions get the best of you and choke. You are acting like you have been in charge of this tournament since day one but news flash, you have not.

This whole FPS Grey Team is turning into a fiasco and anyone who denies these words is plain stupid. We are attempting to mold a whole new team for four players (one of which could earn b00z's position... so three people). I like Fry and all but I don't think anybody (myself included) thought he was entitled to so much power when we elected him captain. And now, what the heck is he captain of? We are giving everyone a second chance to get back on the team? At least make it so only the new players have a shot. I am just ticked off that we decided to go ahead and rearrange our whole team for three people (assuming one replaces b00z). I never saw KB, TACTO, or Hool's reason for not signing up the first time. In fact, I spoke with TACTO and encouraged him to tryout when the original sign ups were occurring but he turned down the offer. I had to PM Wack and Hool just to generate some interest among them and now, I am seriously beginning to regret that. We have a VERY good team as it stands, this "best/better" team we could create would only revolve around a few players. In the grand scheme of things, three players will not make all that much of a difference. Let these "legends" play our current team and we will see how they do. If they do better then we move on with this crap but if they don't, we kill this growing monster and let the team we originally planned to take on Legends... take on Legends.

[FryLock]

Re: punishment - he has had 4 veto votes cast. That's not enough to keep him out.

Re: judging - I didn't realize blud would be interested in helping. Of course he is more than welcome.

Re: everything else - There is absolutely no consensus on how many spots are open. I've made my opinion clear, and I think it was a reasonable compromise, but only a few people even responded. Whether that was due to the number of responses in this thread, or that people just wanted to voice their own opinion, I don't know.

I've also received quite a few nasty pms and reps on account of this.

I'm certainly not ready to throw in the towel, but if people are going to get all pissy and bent out of shape by a video game tournament, then I have no problem in eventually walking and letting everyone else sort through their self-created drama. Seriously. It's not worth it to me. Not one bit. There are ways to voice disagreement that do not involve swearing, name-calling, or accusing me of being unqualified or biased.

Some of that's been done in the thread, a lot of it has been done in private. Now, I'm big enough to honestly say it wouldn't affect my judgment.

All I'm saying is that I have enough drama in my life without this.

So, to sum up: I've put forth what I think is a reasonable compromise. Of those that actually responded to it, many of you agreed with me. But that doesn't make it law.

No one's going to be happy with the end result here, we're going to have to accept that.

[Worker]

The worst thing that can result from this would be you walking away because of people giving you bs for no reason. You are only trying to get us through this the best way possible. Hopefully you didnt take my pm as being inflamitory, I read up on what was going on only after I had sent that pm....

On this matter as a whole, I back whatever decision and/or compromise you have come up with, we just need to get this thing squared away soon.


Lastly, for the people who are giving fry shit, or anyone else for that matter... You have no place on the team, period.

[Cliche]

This whole FPS Grey Team is turning into a fiasco and anyone who denies these words is plain stupid. We are attempting to mold a whole new team for four players (one of which could earn b00z's position... so three people). I like Fry and all but I don't think anybody (myself included) thought he was entitled to so much power when we elected him captain. And now, what the heck is he captain of? We are giving everyone a second chance to get back on the team? At least make it so only the new players have a shot. I am just ticked off that we decided to go ahead and rearrange our whole team for three people (assuming one replaces b00z). I never saw KB, TACTO, or Hool's reason for not signing up the first time. In fact, I spoke with TACTO and encouraged him to tryout when the original sign ups were occurring but he turned down the offer. I had to PM Wack and Hool just to generate some interest among them and now, I am seriously beginning to regret that. We have a VERY good team as it stands, this "best/better" team we could create would only revolve around a few players. In the grand scheme of things, three players will not make all that much of a difference. Let these "legends" play our current team and we will see how they do. If they do better then we move on with this crap but if they don't, we kill this growing monster and let the team we originally planned to take on Legends... take on Legends.

How is it a fiasco? Because Frylock and many other people agree that it would be in the team's best interest to have this mini-tournament and replace a few of the current players? I think you've come to this (false) conclusion due to the fact that you're afraid of getting replaced. You are the only one here that is being biased. You're suppose to look out for your team, even if that means giving up your own spot. Don't preach about someone being impartial when you're extremely impartial yourself.

All your post showed me is how selfish you are.

[FryLock]

The worst thing that can result from this would be you walking away because of people giving you bs for no reason. You are only trying to get us through this the best way possible. Hopefully you didnt take my pm as being inflamitory, I read up on what was going on only after I had sent that pm....

On this matter as a whole, I back whatever decision and/or compromise you have come up with, we just need to get this thing squared away soon.

I sent you a pm, but rest assured that what I posted had nothing to do with your inquiry. All you did was ask what was going on, I'm talking about actual attacks. Most of which were sent from "new" accounts, which suggests that some people don't have enough guts to back up their trash.

[gigolojlo gl]

How is it a fiasco? Because Frylock and many other people agree that it would be in the team's best interest to have this mini-tournament and replace a few of the current players? I think you've come to this (false) conclusion due to the fact that you're afraid of getting replaced. You are the only one here that is being biased. You're suppose to look out for your team, even if that means giving up your own spot. Don't preach about someone being impartial when you're extremely impartial yourself.

All your post showed me is how selfish you are.

Name all the people that said they supported the miniature tourney. Two or three people spoke up and that was all. I honestly hope you do not think you should make the team. You dropped out because you "lacked interest" but now Cliche is ready to participate? Don't call me selfish.

[BaxVarlet]

This is what we're going to do, plain and simple.

If you were in the first tournament and didn't make the team, sorry, better luck next year. You had your chance to beat the current team and you fell short. This tournament isn't for you.

Those of you who didn't participate in the first tourney for whatever reason, this is your chance to show what you're made of. This currently consists of Wack, Hool, Tacto, Punishment, etc. If I left your name out, speak up. If I didn't leave your name out, still speak up. Tell us again why you should get your chance to tryout for this amazing team. I promise you that over-activity will not hurt you in anyway.

I suggest everyone on the team, yes...everyone give up their spot and the 13 people on the team, and however many newcomers fight for this new team. After this tournament, we will know for sure who is really active, who is really skilled, and who is really determined to be on the finalized team.

Is this fair? Who cares. It will be fun.

[Mithrandir]

I think Gig and Bax have a fair point, that people that participated in the original tourney and quit, have quit and demonstrated that they don't have the drive to do this, and therefore shouldn't get a second chance.

I'd like to see a rational counter argument from Cliche.

[Worker]

4. MicSpor |1-6-0|
Wins: Kingedward
Losses: Gig, Frylock, ricardu, elemental, pils, zander,


Micspor participated bax :)


http://tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1189653&postcount=893

This is what we're going to do, plain and simple.

If you were in the first tournament and didn't make the team, sorry, better luck next year. You had your chance to beat the current team and you fell short. This tournament isn't for you.
Agreed 100%

[Cliche]

Name all the people that said they supported the miniature tourney. Two or three people spoke up and that was all. I honestly hope you do not think you should make the team. You dropped out because you "lacked interest" but now Cliche is ready to participate? Don't call me selfish.

There are many people I have talked to that support this tournament, including the ones that have spoke up. They've all provided very valid reasons to hold this tournament, no one in disagreement has, other than "I don't think we should have this tournament because it is unfair to the people who tried out". Well, Gigolojlo, I have some news for you. Nobody who tried out for that tournament was guaranteed a spot, and it never said, anywhere, that the team would be filled with solely tournament participants. That's where your argument falls apart. If the team is going to have anyone on the team, it should be the best of the best, even if that means it's because of someone's reputation and experience (ie. Hool, Real, Mith, Wack).

Also, how was I selfish? I never said one thing about starting up a mini-tournament. I never even asked about joining until this thing started. Just because I get a second opportunity doesn't mean I shouldn't be on the team.

-Edit- Mithrandir, I dropped out. I didn't even get considered due to that, so it's not like I was declined like other people were (ie MicSpor, KingEdward).

[BaxVarlet]

4. MicSpor |1-6-0|
Wins: Kingedward
Losses: Gig, Frylock, ricardu, elemental, pils, zander,


Micspor participated bax :)


http://tacticsarena.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1189653&postcount=893

Agreed 100%

Whoops, editted.

[gigolojlo gl]

First off, I apologize to IROK and anybody else for my burst of anger. I just find this "makeover" a tad frustrating.

Now, let me suggest my idea in a rational tone. I think everyone should be honest. Currently, there are four people who we are looking at and are essentially the reason for this tourney. They are considered as possibly being better than some of the current team members and if added, would form a better team. The rest of the people who signed up for this secondary tryout are "rejects" from the first one (not trying to be harsh) and a quitter. Cliche, I am sorry but you had your chance. Dropping out due to lack of interest is weak and you no longer deserve a spot on the team. So... from here, we take those four players and let them duke it out with our current team. Depending on how well they do against everyone, we can then decide on if they should replace anybody (subs included). I believe this course of action could be much more effective and lead to a better result. The four players that I am speaking of are Wack, Hool, TACTO, and KB.

[Worker]

Also, how was I selfish?

see below

Just because I get a second opportunity doesn't mean I shouldn't be on the team.

That's where your argument falls apart. If the team is going to have anyone on the team, it should be the best of the best, even if that means it's because of someone's reputation and experience (ie. Hool, Real, Mith, Wack).

Then maybe you should consider how hool,mith, and wack have handled themselves in dealing with all of this, then look how you have.

[skev21]

I think Bax's suggestion was incredibly sensible. This not only allows for the current team to still stay together in essence, and validates the use of the first set of tryouts, it also keeps numbers for this one down meaning the team can be finalised quicker.

[Mithrandir]

-Edit- Mithrandir, I dropped out. I didn't even get considered due to that, so it's not like I was declined like other people were.

Not good enough. Why did you drop out? You told me it was because you lost interest. I don't think you deserve a spot over people that have put their hearts into this thing because of that. Hool and Wack never had their shot. You did. You dropped out because you lost interest.

[MicSpor]

Haha I got mentioned for some reason!

And..1-6 is my lucky number..

>.>

[Cliche]

see below


Then maybe you should consider how hool,mith, and wack have handled themselves in dealing with all of this, then look how you have.

I can see where you're coming from. If you don't want me in this tournament, then I'll drop out. Although, I don't really see how I was being selfish when I hadn't even mentioned re-joining until this tournament started up. I figured I'd at least give it a go.

I wasn't really arguing on behalf of myself. I was just trying to explain why some people should be replaced with better, more consistent players.

[Nitanius Nolund]

Bah, gig, you may want to disregard my PM now that I read your post.

Bax's idea sounds good, but what if it was opened to the players that had very good records and were considered on making the team? I know there are great players like Mental that could probably do better with another shot.

Just a suggestion, but I think that these people would appreciate another shot at making the team, and they never really dropped out or anything.

[Worker]

Bax's idea sounds good, but what if it was opened to the players that had very good records and were considered on making the team? I know there are great players like Mental that could probably do better with another shot.

Just a suggestion, but I think that these people would appreciate another shot at making the team, and they never really dropped out or anything.
No, that is not right at all. People who did not make it the first time, even if they were considered should not be given a second chance. That would make the entire first MAIN tryout process completely irrelevant. How do you justify removing someone who made the team, with a person who already had one chance..... IF that is how its going to be done, then NO ONE has a right to tell cliche he cannot try again, because in essence its the same thing, a second chance.

It should only be the new people that have been mentioned, who were not involved in any way with the tryouts, this should be decided on soon, so we can get this done.

[Mithrandir]

It should only be the new people that have been mentioned, who were not involved in any way with the tryouts, this should be decided on soon, so we can get this done.

I don't quite agree. I think ele and others that came close should get a shot. But people like kingedward, that did abysmally in the original tournament, and people like Cliche, that quit, should not participate.

[wolf-boy]

I'll take a shot at it, if allstar is on the team, i know I come pretty close to him.

[Worker]

I don't quite agree. I think ele and others that came close should get a shot. But people like kingedward, that did abysmally in the original tournament, and people like Cliche, that quit, should not participate.Ele is the only person id feel that should be given a shot from that "almost" made it group.....

[Cliche]

I'll take a shot at it, if allstar is on the team, i know I come pretty close to him.

Maybe before you left. I can guarantee you're no where near as good as he is now.

[Mithrandir]

Ele is the only person id feel that should be given a shot from that "almost" made it group.....

I'd like to take a look at the other almosts. I think Geoff should not, just because of his attitude. His game is pretty good but he's too much of a loose cannon for something like this.

[Worker]

I'd like to take a look at the other almosts. I think Geoff should not, just because of his attitude. His game is pretty good but he's too much of a loose cannon for something like this.Well I like the way this debate is going now. Can we get a list of the "almosts"? and list of the new people who are def going to participate? That way its an open ,mature discussion, and we can all chime in, but with you, fry and whoever else having the final say so.

Seeing what we have will make it easier to figure out what we are going to do...

[Nitanius Nolund]

Well I like the way this debate is going now. Can we get a list of the "almosts"? and list of the newpeople who are def going to participate? That way its an open ,mature discussion, and we can all chime in, but with you, fry and whoever else having the final say so.

Seeing what we have will make it easier to figure out what we are going to do...

Agreed on every point :)

[EleMENTAL]

Well, I am glad that people think I deserve a another chance. I have become a much better grey player since the tournament. I have a new set that I have played a few people with and have never lost.

If you want a game and I'm on, challenge me or PM me. I would love to prove myself.

[Anarchy_United]

SelekThar
Geoffery
Elemental

Those are the people in my opinion who deserve a second chance, if anyone deserves a second chance. Cliche, maybe. He simply has to definatly prove through his action he is here for the team, and will not quit, no matter what.

[Cliche]

SelekThar
Geoffery
Elemental

Those are the people in my opinion who deserve a second chance. Cliche, maybe. He simply has to definatly prove through his action he is here for the team, and will not quit, no matter what.

If I'm given the opportunity, I will stand by the team. You have my word. I just had some personal and more important things going on at the time. That's mainly why I lost interest.

[pils]

The people that should represent FPS should be the best candidates in a variety of ways, one of them is attitude. I think some of you are just coming across like you're trying to cover your own butt, whether that's true or not. Yes, I will call you out Pils and Gig.

I believe the previous tournament is relevant and if my opinion is still desired, I will take it into consideration. Little known fact: when I cast votes for who I think should or shouldn't join SI, more of the decision has to do with whether or not the people have the guts to lay it on the line and play than on whether or not they're any good. If they suck, meh, we can train 'em up as long as they show that intangible, indescribable quality of potential. But the nerve of, say, Gig in the first tournament, playing constantly, putting his rear end on the line, means something.

However, no disrespect to Bludz or Pils, but obviously the previous tournament wasn't run nearly as well it could have been, so stop getting so bloody defensive of it. Yes Pils, I see your sig and you have a high opinion of the job you did. I'm sure you did a fine job. But not so good a job that it effectively established who should be on the team, obviously, because we still have all this going on. So lighten the hell up! Closing the signups when you did was a big mistake and the way you ran the tournament you ended up with people that should have had their shot that didn't, partially because of a lack of accurate information (the reason I did not try out).

So final verdict: previous tournament was pretty good. It was good enough to show what most of you are made of but not good enough to get all the top players to compete against each other, because you failed to get all the top players in it, and you could have. So now that is being rectified.

Some of you had good records but I'd like to see if you can have similarly good records with the new strong players in the mix. I don't want to see any more whining.

Pils and Gig, you've already volunteered to put your spots on the line, an admirable decision. Don't nullify that admirable decision by continuing to whine about the original tournament. It isn't all in vain, but it wasn't good enough. Drop it.

I see where your coming from, but I feel as if you got the wrong impression. I'm not just trying to cover my ass, if that was the case I probably wouldn't have put my spot on the line. I respect that you're man enough to call me out though, rather than leaving me unnamed like others have.

As for the line in my sig, I was referring to my level of activity, the way I recorded the games... More than anything. I'm not that self centered to think that I am really that great, or I did that good of a job. It was more of a joke than it was a serious attempt to make myself out to be something wonderful. Because its a pretty unanimous consensus that I have not done that great of a job, at least in chosing a team.
But at the same time you can't fault either me or bludz for closing the signups at the time we did. We gave people AT LEAST 3 weeks to show an interest, we closed the signups late enough as it was.... Not really our fault that people didn't show an interest.
Like I said... wouldn't hurt to try again next year.

I don't see it as whining. I see a lot of pun's posts as whining, to be honest. But my posts, as undescisive as they are, are usually just my opinion on the matters at hand.
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Other than that.... Have we, at all, discussed trying to open up more spots for a lil bigger team? I think that would solve some of the problems at hand... Like having to replace people who made the team fair and square...

[EleMENTAL]

I know alot of you are hesitant to allow cliche to have another chance, but he is much better than half of the current team and is no doubt one of the better greys on FPS.

[gigolojlo gl]

If I'm given the opportunity, I will stand by the team. You have my word. I just had some personal and more important things going on at the time. That's mainly why I lost interest.

You did not mention any personal issues at the time. Lack of interest and private affairs are two completely different subjects. Don't try to change the story. You were one of the main reasons why sign ups were prolonged and then you dropped out. I doubt you will stand by the team.

On the matter of second chances, I do not see why we need to supply people with another go. They were not chosen for a reason the first time and I cannot see one week as making much of a difference. I spoke with Bludz and pils while they were forming the team and each player who was cut had either an attitude problem, inactivity streak, or lack of overall skill. I am definitely supporting the idea of allowing FPS members who have not yet had a chance to tryout an opportunity but as Worker bluntly said it, the others had their chance.

[pils]

edit...
meh

[Nitanius Nolund]

Well, I am glad that people think I deserve a another chance. I have become a much better grey player since the tournament. I have a new set that I have played a few people with and have never lost.

If you want a game and I'm on, challenge me or PM me. I would love to prove myself.

If it's the form you played me with you didnt win all your matches either :p

[FryLock]

I think it's a good idea to knock out the people who didn't succeed in the first tryouts (aside from the already-discusses exceptions). So that knocks out kingedward, the gold master, micspor and spencer 555 for sure.

What about planktiffy and maverik? They were decent, and plank had a pretty good record.

Finally: punishment has received upwards of 6 vetoes, so he is not participating.

Cliche has only received 1, so as of now, he is in.

[EleMENTAL]

Other than that.... Have we, at all, discussed trying to open up more spots for a lil bigger team? I think that would solve some of the problems at hand... Like having to replace people who made the team fair and square...

Talk to legends, see if they're intrested.

[Worker]

Nevermind...


:rolleyes:

[EleMENTAL]

If it's the form you played me with you didnt win all your matches either :p

I sai i didn't lose any :) Draws will still get us good amount of points:p

[KBHoleN1]

I'm not here to take anyone's spot. I read the thread and signed up with the understanding that one more spot needed to be filled (possibly 2). Just tell me when I can start playing, and who I need to play. The rest you guys can decide.

[Cliche]

You did not mention any personal issues at the time. Lack of interest and private affairs are two completely different subjects. Don't try to change the story. You were one of the main reasons why sign ups were prolonged and then you dropped out. I doubt you will stand by the team.


I like to keep personal matters private. Whether you believe that or not, that is your decision.

As far as me standing by the team goes...if I'm given another opportunity to tryout, I will most definitely stand by the team for the remainder of the tournament. You have my word and I'd like to think that means something.

[BaxVarlet]

In my opinion no one in the previous tournament should be allowed to participate in this one.

I have no reason to believe that any of them have miraculously gotten a lot better to challenge the current team. The first tournament will mean something if we restrict the mini-tournament to the current team members, Wack, Hool, KB, and people who didn't participate before.

[FryLock]

Look, one of the only things that we've seemed to agree upon in this whole stupid thread is that 6 vetoes prevent someone from playing.

Cliche has 1 veto, and his name wasn't judged on the merits in the last tourney. Thus, he seems to be allowed to play.

[BaxVarlet]

I veto cliche.

On top of that. I veto everyone who participated in the last tournament and did not make the team.

[EleMENTAL]

In my opinion no one in the previous tournament should be allowed to participate in this one.

I have no reason to believe that any of them have miraculously gotten a lot better to challenge the current team. The first tournament will mean something if we restrict the mini-tournament to the current team members, Wack, Hool, KB, and people who didn't participate before.

Even though I did seem to beat you in our last game after the tourney ended?

I'm not bragging, I am just saying I have gotten better. And you know Bax that I am better than some of the people currently on the team and I would like to have another chance to prove that.

My suggestion is you veto EVERYONE who is wanting to join instead of saying only so and so can play. That way we can figure out who has the mojority vetos.

Edit: just saw your edit bax.

[Worker]

I veto cliche.

On top of that. I veto everyone who participated in the last tournament and did not make the team.sigh Thats probably the best choice.


This entire thread smells like my ass.

[gigolojlo gl]

I veto cliche.

On top of that. I veto everyone who participated in the last tournament and did not make the team.

Agreed.

[Cliche]

Agreed.

Your veto was already in for me.

[WaCk-HeAd]

I should better get practicing, because it would be desastrous for my "reputation" if I lost everything after all this hassle.

Hahahaha, would be freaking hilarious, though.

Hahahahahaha

[Anarchy_United]

Here is my opinion: NO SECOND CHANCES. Anyone who failed to get on the team in the first one, does not get another chance. Unless of course we get more people on each team. Second, subs/volunteers from current team/new people, who have given a valid/good reason why they could/did not compete originanally should compete for the spots.

With that, Veto All Second Chancers.

[pils]

*sigh*
To think this is all over b00z.
:p

[FryLock]

By my count, there are 6 blanket vetoes against anyone who did not make the team the 1st time around.

However, it is NOT clear if this includes Cliche, since he was 5-0 when he dropped, and was never considered on the merits.

I should also point out that he was the only one who beat AFO.

I don't really have an opinion, but it's food for thought.

[Punishment]

Politics suck.

Once again, FPS makes this more about how you get along with everyone and how you are perceived rather than your skill.

Half the people on your team are crap, and i would beat them 9/10 , but because of some prissy little nancy-girls I can't even try out ;)

Seriously, this game is about skill. Don't make it about personality.

FPS will NEVER win one of these tournaments if they continue to just pick their buddies. You need to step back, take the best players, and leave the drama out of it.

[solingro]

I veto cliche.

On top of that. I veto everyone who participated in the last tournament and did not make the team.

^ what that guy said.

Cliche: He signed up for the tourney and was in as far as I am concerned. Even if you want to keep your personal life private, a simple "Some personal issues came up so I cannot continue anymore" seems to be more accurate than I lost interest.

If the idea is this mini tourny is to make the team better, by allowing anyone from the last tourny who didn't make it (even if they were close) doesn't make the team better. Unless you want to argue this wasn't the best team picked but that has been argued in the other thread and it's a whole different discussion.

[Hoolwath]

I am not going through those pages, if I need to do something other than beating few scrubs, tell me now or PM me.

Although, I think Cliche should be let back in. Even if he lost and regained interest I was very surprised by his score in the first tourney. If he has the guts to face the new group and will beat them, I think nothing else will prove him more competent for the team than that.

[allstarGL]

This is what we're going to do, plain and simple.

If you were in the first tournament and didn't make the team, sorry, better luck next year. You had your chance to beat the current team and you fell short. This tournament isn't for you.

Those of you who didn't participate in the first tourney for whatever reason, this is your chance to show what you're made of. This currently consists of Wack, Hool, Tacto, Punishment, etc. If I left your name out, speak up. If I didn't leave your name out, still speak up. Tell us again why you should get your chance to tryout for this amazing team. I promise you that over-activity will not hurt you in anyway.

I suggest everyone on the team, yes...everyone give up their spot and the 13 people on the team, and however many newcomers fight for this new team. After this tournament, we will know for sure who is really active, who is really skilled, and who is really determined to be on the finalized team.

Is this fair? Who cares. It will be fun.

This is exactly what I want to do. I also want to allow cliche because he dropped out he wasn't exactly cut and I know he should be on the team..

If everyone on our team doesnt give up their spot for this I'm not participating in the mini tourny because thats just not fair.

[Cliche]

I am not going through those pages, if I need to do something other than beating few scrubs, tell me now or PM me.

Although, I think Cliche should be let back in. Even if he lost and regained interest I was very surprised by his score in the first tourney. If he has the guts to face the new group and will beat them, I think nothing else will prove him more competent for the team than that.

This is exactly what I want to do. I also want to allow cliche because he dropped out he wasn't exactly cut and I know he should be on the team..

If everyone on our team doesnt give up their spot for this I'm not participating in the mini tourny because thats just not fair.

I appreciate it guys. I won't let you down.

[Mithrandir]

I say make everyone on the original team play for their spot again, whether they want to or not. Same deal with Fry. I can't think of a good reason why not and it would certainly make it fair.

Edit: Oh, and I've changed my mind about Cliche, at least in one sense. I'm unconvinced that he deserves to be on the team because of his quitting earlier. But I think that can be decided later. Let him compete, let him strut his stuff, and that will be taken into consideration. But if it's a close race between Cliche and someone that was already on the team, I will support the person that stuck with the tournament all the way through. Again though, there's nothing wrong with letting Cliche have a shot at winning some games.

[FryLock]

Ok. I'm tired of this whole damn thing. From what I can see, there are 2 camps.

I've talked to pils and gig, and they wish to keep the team as is, adding only 1 or 2 people, and maintain the current starting lineup. I know some people agree with them.

The other side is best represented by allstar and bax (again, I am generalizing). We ALL go at it some more, get a team of about 15 or 16, and freaking trust me (or whoever you'd rather have as captain) to select the starting lineup.

Of course, no matter what, I'm down for playing more.

Aside from that, I'm sick and tired of this whole stupid thing. What a f*cking waste of time.

Also, I'm not responding to any more pms, unless it's a pm to tell me that we've finally decided something in this thread.

[Worker]

Ok. I'm tired of this whole damn thing. From what I can see, there are 2 camps.

I've talked to pils and gig, and they wish to keep the team as is, adding only 1 or 2 people, and maintain the current starting lineup. I know some people agree with them.

The other side is best represented by allstar and bax (again, I am generalizing). We ALL go at it some more, get a team of about 15 or 16, and freaking trust me (or whoever you'd rather have as captain) to select the starting lineup.

Of course, no matter what, I'm down for playing more.

Aside from that, I'm sick and tired of this whole stupid thing. What a f*cking waste of time.

Also, I'm not responding to any more pms, unless it's a pm to tell me that we've finally decided something in this thread.Its decided

The people who made the team shall play the new people. Lets get a list finalized and get this started. Thank you Fry for the time you have put into this and the grief you have put up with, you are clearly our captain... or at least a voice of reason. =p


NOTE: If I do lose my spot on the team, I will not be taking the grey team banner out, as it compliments my teabagger userbar very well. ^^

[BaxVarlet]

Its decided

The people who made the team shall play the new people. Lets get a list finalized and get this started.

Agreed, lets get this thing rolling.

[Mithrandir]

Here is the list I recommend.

Frylock
Gigolojlo
Airforceone
Bax varlet
~SlayeR~
Anarchy United
Ninai
Worker
Allstar
Solingro
Powza
Pils

Wack-Head
Hoolwath
Reckless
KBHolen1
Cliché
Tactoholic
Selekthar (if he wants to)
Elemental

[Worker]

There are 6 blanket vetoes against anyone who participated in the 1st tourney and was not selected.

Elemental (OUT - see above)


The tribe has already spoken mith.

[Mithrandir]

The tribe has already spoken mith.

Yeah I know, and Selekthar would naturally be out as well. But I think both of them deserve a shot. I know they won't get one, so just ignore those two if you like, but my opinion is unchanged. They deserve it as much as Cliche. At least they finished the darn thing.

[Maverik07]

Why do they deserve it?

[Mithrandir]

Why do they deserve it?

Because they did well, played hard and just barely missed the cut. Especially Ele. I know my vote doesn't count on this issue but it seems like they should have the right to play some games in the mini, like Cliche, to at least attempt to earn their way on the team, even if the previous tourney doesn't speak well of them.

[solingro]

I'm not arguing that Cliche doesn't have what it takes to make the team. But what I care more about is a fair selection process. Saying we veto all of people who was in the first tourny but allowing Cliche to play is saying Elemetal, Selekthar, Mav, Geoff, etc... could've said they want drop out right before the team was picked (or even way before that) and they would be eligible for this? So we should punish them for sticking it out till the end of the tourny eh?

And the point of the mini tourny is allow those who missed the chance to have a shot and hopefully making the best possible team. Including players from previous tourny whether they were close or not doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And who determines who was close and who was not?

[Worker]

Because they did well, played hard and just barely missed the cut. Especially Ele.
24. Elemental |8-16-1|


You were saying?

[Cliche]

I'm not arguing that Cliche doesn't have what it takes to make the team. But what I care more about is a fair selection process. Saying we veto all of people who was in the first tourny but allowing Cliche to play is saying Elemetal, Selekthar, Mav, Geoff, etc... could've said they want drop out right before the team was picked (or even way before that) and they would be eligible for this? So we should punish them for sticking it out till the end of the tourny eh?

That's not the case. My record was much different than theirs, and I was not judged upon my merits and activity like they were.

[Mithrandir]

I'm not arguing that Cliche doesn't have what it takes to make the team. But what I care more about is a fair selection process. Saying we veto all of people who was in the first tourny but allowing Cliche to play is saying Elemetal, Selekthar, Mav, Geoff, etc... could've said they want drop out right before the team was picked (or even way before that) and they would be eligible for this? So we should punish them for sticking it out till the end of the tourny eh?

And the point of the mini tourny is allow those who missed the chance to have a shot and hopefully making the best possible team. Including players from previous tourny whether they were close or not doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And who determines who was close and who was not?

I'm with Sol on this one. Ele deserves another shot more than Cliche does.

[Cliche]

I'm with Sol on this one. Ele deserves another shot more than Cliche does.

Why does it always have to be "so and so deserves another shot more than so and so"? How about you just say "Elemental deserves a shot as well as Cliche"?

That would avoid a bunch of controversy.

[Mithrandir]

In reply to Cliche and Worker, if Ele sucks so much, then letting him have another go won't make much difference.:p

I see your point though.

[EleMENTAL]

24. Elemental |8-16-1|


You were saying?

ooo...record says alot.

I have stated in my games why i lossed, im not going to rant about that.

But look at my wins:

2-0 = Anarchy United (All fair, non luck games)

1-0 Worker = Eh, you made a misclick, i gave you the chance to redo it, but yopu didnt)

1-2 = Bax Varlet ( He knows and said that those 2 game i lossed were some of the best grey games of his life, and I beat him after the tourney ended)

2-0 = Pils (No luck involved)

And my games with frylock were both really good.

I'm not saying I deserve another shot, other people are, but im just saying dont look at the record for your decisions. Play me, see my skill.

[Worker]

In reply to Cliche and Worker, if Ele sucks so much, then letting him have another go won't make much difference.:p

I see your point though.I never said ele sucks. :)

And ele...I was just trying to aggrevate mith a little because he said you almost made it. =)

[Mithrandir]

Why does it always have to be "so and so deserves more of a shot that so and so"? How about you just say "Elemental deserves a shot as well as Cliche"?

That would avoid a bunch of controversy.

Because my opinion is ACTUALLY that he deserves another shot more than you. :p

He finished, you didn't.

I don't know if either one of you deserve to be on the team. But I think you both deserve to play a few more games and let us decide for ourselves.

[Cliche]

Because my opinion is ACTUALLY that he deserves another shot more than you. :p

He finished, you didn't.

I don't know if either one of you deserve to be on the team. But I think you both deserve to play a few more games and let us decide for ourselves.

Fair enough. I understand where you're coming from.

:)

[allstarGL]

I almost forgot..

I veto wack


Just to piss him off :p

[pils]

Politics suck.

Once again, FPS makes this more about how you get along with everyone and how you are perceived rather than your skill.

Half the people on your team are crap, and i would beat them 9/10 , but because of some prissy little nancy-girls I can't even try out ;)

Seriously, this game is about skill. Don't make it about personality.

FPS will NEVER win one of these tournaments if they continue to just pick their buddies. You need to step back, take the best players, and leave the drama out of it.

Eh its not about us picking our buddies.
Its about us trying to avoid people who will cause problems.

At this point you are viewed as one of these people... Better luck next year.

[Maverik07]

so thats how you view me then pils? as causing problems?

[pils]

Absolutley.
And so did Bludz, and gig.
Fry wasn't there when we discussed all the candidates, but I don't think i'm going on to much of a limb here to assume that he would agree too.
And I think everyone else in rev during one your little bitch fits would agree as well.

[Punishment]

Eh its not about us picking our buddies.
Its about us trying to avoid people who will cause problems.

At this point you are viewed as one of these people... Better luck next year.

Well, pils, I would say you are one of the weaker people on the team... One of those that i COULD beat 9/10 times.

Pils, FPS is just being dumb, and i'm sure some people realize this. They are not picking their best players, but trying to pick their friends and people who are model citizens of the community. If you guys really wanted to win one of these tournaments, you would have neough faith to think that people would put their personal relationships aside and just play as hard as they could for your team... but FPS is just picking a close-nit group of buddies.

I mean, come on.

Cliche : 44. Cliche l 5-0-0 l
Wins: Kickassplaya, stinkydog, pils, AFO, Ninai,
Losses:

5-0.

Elemental : 8-16


Cliche is obviously the better player, but because you like to pretend you are all high and mighty and care about personality, your team is probably going to end up weaker.

Pils, I don't cause problems. I just play my games and move on. You seem like you are trying to start a problem now with me :)

[FryLock]

Well quite clearly nothing has been decided here.

Guess I'll check back in another few hours.

[WaCk-HeAd]

Not to diss Ele, but I don't see why he deserves a second chance more than the other people who tried the first time. I really don't. He had his chance.

Cliche backed off. Bad call. Definitely.

But when you judge someone's character you don't base it on one decision. You base it on his character throughout the time he has been here.

Again, this is to respresent our servers, not the Try-out Tournament. So not only your behavior during the tournament should the determining factor.

Cliche, in my opinion, is a classy guy with some Class-A skill. Sometimes he makes a bad call. Who doesn't?

He earns an extra opportunity just as Hool, KB, and I do.

[BaxVarlet]

Well quite clearly nothing has been decided here.

Guess I'll check back in another few hours.

We've almost decided.

Everyone on the team will put their spot on the line. This has been decided.

Those who did not participate in the first tournament will also play in the mini-tournament.

The only thing we really have left to decide is Ele and Cliche.

[Hoolwath]

Not to diss Ele, but I don't see why he deserves a second chance more than the other people who tried the first time. I really don't. He had his chance.

Cliche backed off. Bad call. Definitely.

But when you judge someone's character you don't base it on one decision. You base it on his character throughout the time he has been here.

Again, this is to respresent our servers, not the Try-out Tournament. So not only your behavior during the tournament should the determining factor.

Cliche, in my opinion, is a classy guy with some Class-A skill. Sometimes he makes a bad call. Who doesn't?

Me.


I think both Ele and Cliche should play in the second tourney.

[pils]

@ pun: Not at all.
But you cannot deny the behaviour you have had in this thread. Or your behaviour after the turt tourny, about an avatar no less.
That is my reasoning for not wanting you on the team.

You have caused drama in the past, you have caused drama in this thread, whats to stop you from throwing huge fits when you lose to a legender because of luck?

And I don't recall us ever playing....

Bax for co-leader...
Seriously.... He has kept his head this whole time, and seems relativley unbiased.
I would rather leave the teams fate in his hands than Mith/IROK's (ABSOLUTLEY nothing against you guys, but I dunno... I hope you can see where I'm coming from)

[WaCk-HeAd]

Me.

Well, you're still here on TAO annoying us.

I would count that as a bad decision.

[Hoolwath]

Well, you're still here on TAO annoying us.

I would count that as a bad decision.

I take it as I should leave? And who would teach you how to be funny then?

And where would all the:

"Hool let the dogs out."
"That is Hoolarious!"

go?

Come on. Whool are you kidding?

If you have time, go check the tcbbs Tourney thread Ricardu won. Meat called me a prick there, pretty good reading.

[pils]

Also, something to consider...

Elemental didn't miss the cut because of his record. One of the deciders of the team said no.
Not my place to say who, they are welcome to come forth on thier own...

[EleMENTAL]

Look, there is no doubt in my mind that skill wise, Cliche deserves the spot more than I do. But I have yet to play Hool, Wack, KB, or Taco. I would love to play them. If I am not cut out, then so be it. But I would still like to try and keep trying to prove myself.

And Pils already told me who said no, and I was actually suprised by who. But that is passed. Wehn I ran the turtle tourney, I was a HUGE supporter of sportsmanship, and I am not going to start being a hypocrit and go against what I am for.

[Mithrandir]

I think Ele should get a chance. He's already vetoed though so he's not in.

Frylock
Gigolojlo
Airforceone
Bax varlet
~SlayeR~
Anarchy United
Ninai
Worker
Allstar
Solingro
Powza
Pils
Wack-Head
Hoolwath
Reckless
KBHolen1
Cliché
Tactoholic

But these people are in. Everyone agreed? Say yes for crying out loud and give Fry a break.

[Hoolwath]

You should get back in too Mith considering the rules changed a bit. :)

[Mithrandir]

You should get back in too Mith considering the rules changed a bit. :)

Don't tempt me.

[pils]

yes for me.
Question: Are the current members gonna have to play eachother again?

OR is gonna be like
the team
vs
Wack-Head, Hoolwath, Reckless, KBHolen1, Cliché, Tactoholic
And those ^^ 6 vs everyone (including eachother obviously)

I think the second option would save some time.... Some time that we kinda need....