The ~Fire~ Clan on GL

[Brahman]

Hello All. Just wanted to introduce this clan to the community and generate some interest. :)

Our clan website is: freewebs.com/brahmanfire
Application page: http://www.freewebs.com/brahmanfire/jointhefire.htm

The ~Fire~ is founded on Respect, Good Sportsmanship, and the never ending desire to improve our game strategy. Right now the Clan is small but we will grow over time as we develop a strong base of Leadership, training, and clan support. I wanted to create a clan that will last into the future and be respected by the other Veteran Clans as we respect you all and seek lasting alliances. I've given our clan a Code to adhere to so that we may set an example of what's possible to TAO players:

The Code
I. Respect all as you wish to be respected.
II. Live and Die with Honor.
III. Strive to improve your strategy and tactics always.
IV. Help others master TAO, only then will you master TAO yourself.
V. Incinerate thine enemies in the ~Fire~



The ~Fire~ is not for groupie clan jumping noobs, nor should anyone who has ever asked someone to press f5 or type chessexpert apply. Forget the Clan, I eat those idiots for breakfast let alone introducing them to the heat of ~Fire~. :angry:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/655/f5idiotsim1.png

Right now I am interested in some stronger Golds and Greys joining our Clan. I have some Leadership roles I need fulfilled, but at present do not ask me to transfer leadership as I want to be personally responsible for all invites. On our website there is a Clan application and I'm also screening for /invite in-game too. I'm personally selecting new members based upon Attitude, sportsmanship, and the desire to learn.... and better yet the desire to help me refine my game tactics. :) Thank you for taking the time to read this thread and we hope to see you in that 9 story palace we call home!

[Rico Suave]

Good luck with the clan.

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

Yea, good luck...

Do you guys have any ranked members yet?

[Brahman]

To be honest I'm not sure what you mean by ranked..... but if you mean like in the GL top 100 then the answer is no............. not yet

I've been so busy preparing the site and the clan that I havn't been working on my stats much... although right now I'm a natural 12 - 1300 Grey, and a natural 1100 - 1200 gold. I'm fairly new to the game but am improving quickly and liken it to re-learning chess all over again.

Good luck with the clan.
Thank you Mr. Suave. You wouldn't by any chance be named after that Latino rapper from like 15 yrs. ago eh?

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

Well...good luck to you...

But i gotta warn you, leading a clan to the top on GL is not an easy thing...i hope your up to the challenge

[MicSpor]

I'll join.

If you guys show you won't die in 2 months. And you are fo' real.

[Unforgottner]

I'll join on a grey.

[Syko99]

damnit why does micspor allways do that she pops up post one thing then gets off... ne way good luck with the clan

[mantis33]

The ~Fire~ is not for groupie clan jumping noobs

I'll join.

If you guys show you won't die in 2 months. And you are fo' real.

Read Mic, read! :p

Anyway, good luck with the clan.

[MicSpor]

Im not a clan jumping noob!!

I just get expelled.

:rolleyes:

[Brahman]

But i gotta warn you, leading a clan to the top on GL is not an easy thing...i hope your up to the challenge
We...... will do our best. thanks.

If you guys show you won't die in 2 months. And you are fo' real.
We fo' real homie. Check out the web page. Besides the Veteran Clans(I really like Bushido Gaiden's page to name one) I think you'd be hard pressed to find a new clan with a web page that has the commitment and support behind it like ours.... not to mention 'correct spelling' and grammar(mostly) :p. I'm interested in providing clan support and a sense of ownership and belonging to members. But as I said before I'll be personally screening all applicants right now.

Unforgottner... I know you dude, I just forgot ur screen name that you go by on GL.... what was it? Actually you were on Rev. helping me with that damage chart right??? Anyhow, you are most welcome to throw yourself into the ~Fire~ bro. :bigsmile:

For those I don't know:
http://www.freewebs.com/brahmanfire/jointhefire.htm

[gigolojlo gl]

So... I have to die in this clan AND with honor?

[Syko99]

Im not a clan jumping noob!!

I just get expelled.

:rolleyes:

like that one time u hacked the mods account and got banned;)

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

Little word to the wise......

Never say this

We fo' real homie.

Again :)

[MicSpor]

We fo' real homie.

[Brahman]

Little word to the wise......
Never say this Again.

For shizzle my nizzle. :p

So... I have to die in this clan AND with honor?
In other words when you lose a game don't throw a tantrum and leave the arena like the other whiny brats out there. Surrender, say gg, and maybe even compliment your opponents game if it is deserving. This is what the ~Fire~ is all about.

[Unforgottner]

Unforgottner... I know you dude, I just forgot ur screen name that you go by on GL.... what was it? Actually you were on Rev. helping me with that damage chart right??? Anyhow, you are most welcome to throw yourself into the ~Fire~ bro. :bigsmile:


When I'm on GL and see you, I'll get on a grey and just ask for an invite.

[TeXaS LoNgHoRnS]

We fo' real homie.

mic can say is because shes cool like that

[steve12]

Whoa.. I'm surprised by the quality of the thread when I saw the thread title. but nice! And welcome to the forums, and good luck with this clan. I play on GL as well; hope to see you around when the server is fixed. :)

[Brahman]

When I'm on GL and see you, I'll get on a grey and just ask for an invite.
See ya there.

mic can say is because shes cool like that
Check it home skillet, I don't know nuthin cool cause I've been bout that hotness for sooo long, ya dig pussy kat? ~Fire~ baby!!!

Texas.... home of Big thangs and big bangs ya heard. Holla!

Thanks Steve... it's an honor.

[lthlinjction]

Check it home skillet, I don't know nuthin cool cause I've been bout that hotness for sooo long, ya dig pussy kat? ~Fire~ baby!!!

Hahahaha. God damn.

This kid is the shit.

[steve12]

He really put that well. I like this kid.

[stinkydog]

lol, sounds like an episode of 'wild and out' (i dont like that show really though) but good usage of 'slang' lol. GL with the clan

[Nitanius Nolund]

Good luck with the clan Brahman. You'll know me from Great Lakes as The Einherjar Leader.

Oh, and a word to the wise: don't jump greys with a gold set.

[mantis33]

Fo' real homie.

[Silver Coast]

damnit why does micspor allways do that she pops up post one thing then gets off... ne way good luck with the clan

Either that or she chooses to be invisible to everyone else. Because I doubt anyone would just make one post then immediately log off :dry:. She most likely chose to enable the Invisibilty Feature and looks like she is offline even though she may be online.

[speaker4thedead]

Good luck dude.

[Brahman]

Oh, and a word to the wise: don't jump greys with a gold set.
Thanks for the advice but I never do that. Sometimes I set my avatar down and let grey's jump ( then I watch em squirm :p ) , or I change my set so that it is strictly grey and let greys jump me that way(which I do most often), or I challenge people. On that note if I hear of and confirm any Gold's in my clan who are jumping greys then they will be expelled. No exceptions. The ~Fire~ is about honor.

But let it be known that I do not jump greys for stats or to be an asshole for that matter. It's just unethical in my book. If a grey comes to me however that is their choice. And it is most certainly a pleasure when a Good grey comes along and beats me and shows me what Grey is all about. I love that shit. :bigsmile: They always get my respect.

When I was a grey I jumped golds as much as possible so that I could learn and get better against a more formidable foe. It sucked having my ass handed to me time and time again but that is the only way you learn in this game.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I'm about to sound like an ass, but look at the screenshot in your initial post. You have a gold set against a grey. Whether or not you jumped them, you have a gold set vs a grey set. No honor in that.

[lthlinjction]

I'm about to sound like an ass, but look at the screenshot in your initial post. You have a gold set against a grey. Whether or not you jumped them, you have a gold set vs a grey set. No honor in that.

Dude... don't even say that shit.

Every single gold that plays TAO has played greys with gold sets. So shut it, you have no room to talk.

No much honor in accusing others, hmm?

[Nitanius Nolund]

Dude... don't even say that shit.

Every single gold that plays TAO has played greys with gold sets. So shut it, you have no room to talk.

No much honor in accusing others, hmm?

I'll take your post apart and talk about it one piece at a time.

1) Don't tell me what I can and can't say. I was not out of line by saying what I said.

2) I have yet to play a grey with a gold form. I don't need to cheat to win.

3) I never said I had honor.

[lthlinjction]

I'll take your post apart and talk about it one piece at a time.

1) Don't tell me what I can and can't say. I was not out of line by saying what I said.

2) I have yet to play a grey with a gold form. I don't need to cheat to win.

3) I never said I had honor.

That's the gayest shit I've ever heard.

Don't be stupid, everyone's done it. We were all noobs at one point.

[Nitanius Nolund]

I have never played a grey using a gold set. And I never will. Because I was for the longest time the grey that got jumped by the golds. I will stick to playing grey vs grey and gold vs gold.

Noob at some point or no. I never lowered myself to playing a grey as a gold.

[_Darkness_]

No hijacking the thread! As for you Brahman, good luck. I have had a few games with you and talked to you a few times. You seem like a good guy and fit to be a clan leader. I wish you good luck with the clan, and if it for some reason fails you are welcome to join my clan.

[Brahman]

Oh, and a word to the wise: don't jump greys with a gold set.
For the record, I do not jump greys. I'm interested in giving to the the game of TAO.
but look at the screenshot in your initial post. You have a gold set against a grey. Whether or not you jumped them, you have a gold set vs a grey set. No honor in that.
Today 03:22 PM
That is a screen shot of a stat whore who makes a living manipulating new people into pressing f5, typing chessexpert, and other such nonsense. I was more than Happy to hand his ass back to him charbroiled. :p Nuff said.

I do not relish the victories I have against greys. It is a game and if a grey decides to jump me on the third floor then so be it. I would rather continue to play greys here and there so that I don't miss the chance at having a grey beat me... then the Honor is all theirs :) , and I'm lucky enough to have stumbled upon a great player, who may or may not want to join my clan. You see?

2) I have yet to play a grey with a gold form. I don't need to cheat to win.
Some would have called Goliath a cheater and admonished a great battle.... but then how could we have come to know David? I think "cheating" in this case is relative to experience specific stresses you still carry. Namely:
Because I was for the longest time the grey that got jumped by the golds.
And in that regards I can understand your comments Nitanius. But to never play a grey with your gold set? I think you underestimate the caliber of players that exist in TAO, granted there aren't many exceptional greys.... but when you meet one it is worth the wait and I think they deserve your respect rather than pity. Let them come to you. Also you could put the power of choice in the grey players hands and allow them to take responsibility for choosing to play a Gold. How else will they come to know how to beat Golds? Two of the current Grey members in my clan would tell you that jumping me was the best thing they could have done... I appreciated their enthusiasm and spent 1 hour or more with each helping them to refine their grey forms, strategy, and overall game play..... and this was before they decided to join my clan mind you. Helping a sincere and talented new grey player out is a slightly sweeter experience than beating a Gold. If you have not already, you should try it. :)

[Mithrandir]

[CENTER]The Code
I. Respect all as you wish to be respected.

Some people do not deserve respect, such as scammers. I think this is a dumb part of your code.

MHO.

[Brahman]

Thank you Darkness. In fact thank you all... especially you Nitanius. :)
Some people do not deserve respect, such as scammers. I think this is a dumb part of your code.
Hence, in the Clan Code I state: "If your opponent bad mouths you or tries to irritate you in any way, then go and decimate them on the battlefield, rise above thier pettiness. If an opponent bad mouths the clan then shrug it off, we are not defined by our enemies." As far as scammers go... report them, that is the respectable thing to do. Or you could get into a flaming cussing battle in the lobby I guess. :bad:

[Mithrandir]

Your code says that you should respect scammers like you want to be respected. That's dumb. They don't deserve respect.

[Brahman]

Your code says that you should respect scammers like you want to be respected.
So you say.
That's dumb.
So you see.
They don't deserve respect.
So you've deemed.

For one reason or another your focus is on semantics and the dissection of what was presented as an ideal for ~Fire~ clan members to emulate within the TAO gaming community. Think about it: I. Respect others as you wish to be respected.

Located within your cerebral cortex a faculty of intelligent discrimination exists that should tell you: "Hmmm... by respecting others as I wish to be respected, Brahman isn't necessarily asking me to kiss spammers asses and let idiots walk all over me".

Although if you missed the general idea, perhaps others could too. It is either that, or it is that some people find senseless jaw-jacking fun. My faculty points to the latter.

[Mithrandir]

So you say.

So you see.

So you've deemed.
Haha, nice try noob. YOU have clearly shown that YOU also have a problem with scammers, and that YOU think they should be reported.:rolleyes:

Everything else in your post is inane "jaw-jacking" of your own and your own personal judgments. If you want to throw out all personal judgments, I wonder what you'll have left to say.:)

My work here is done. You remind me eerily of Uniq. All yacking and no substance.

[Nitanius Nolund]

My work here is done. You remind me eerily of Uniq. All yacking and no substance.

OWNED!!!!

[The AIDS Virus]

Good luck with the clan bro.

[Brahman]

Thank you Aids Virus. Interesting name dude. :)

[Brahman]

Browsing through the recruitment listings this evening I was a little suprised when I read the last page of the Einherjar listing. With some newfound information the happenings within this thread over the recent days made a little more sense and peaked my curiosity. In the end it seems that some sort of competitive un-welcoming noob bashing clan hierarchical thread hijacking took place. And on this thread that I created as a humble introduction to the ~Fire~ clan I believe I'm entitled to this last word in the face of injustice. Please bear with me forum veterans and TAO members alike. I have something to say.

After I stated clearly:
But let it be known that I do not jump greys for stats or to be an asshole for that matter. It's just unethical in my book. If a grey comes to me however that is their choice. And it is most certainly a pleasure when a Good grey comes along and beats me and shows me what Grey is all about. I love that shit. They always get my respect.
Nitanius replied:
I'm about to sound like an ass, but look at the screenshot in your initial post. You have a gold set against a grey. Whether or not you jumped them, you have a gold set vs a grey set. No honor in that.
After lthlinjction spoke against Nitanius' statements a portion of Nitanius' reply stated:
2) I have yet to play a grey with a gold form. I don't need to cheat to win.
and:
I never lowered myself to playing a grey as a gold.
Interesting that in your said clan rules posted after this conversation, #1 reads:1. Golds must not grey jump unless they are using a grey form.
Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't you also state in your clan rules that Golds with a Gold form must never play greys.... because that is cheating by your definition? Or is it Universally recognized and no one in your clan ever plays their Gold sets vs. greys because they all like you believe that it in some way diminishes their honor? To restate my position grey jumping with a Gold form is deplorable, but if they come to you, so be it. If you have any doubts make sure to revise your rules so that your clan members know exactly how you feel on the subject. As for me I will continue to challenge Golds(and lose most of the time :p) while also playing greys because:Helping a sincere and talented new grey player out is a slightly sweeter experience than beating a Gold. If you have not already, you should try it.
You would be surprised how many "noob" greys out there are dying for you to teach them what you know because they genuinely want to learn the game. They find you and you simply change your form to grey to better illustrate grey strategy with them. Bobby Fischer hadn't yet known the joys of puberty by the time he was handing pro chess players their asses. How many "stupid noob" TAO Bobby Fischers do we overlook in the Arena in the quest for stats and clan domination?

As if this wasn't enough your close friend and fellow clan mate:
# Note: not all vets will get an automatic instatement to the clan. They must be highly respected and well known players (eg Mithrandir, monkus)
Mithrandir sensing that your "point" was being recognized as pointless came along to his friends rescue by stirring up yet another superfluous argument for arguments sake by saying:
Some people do not deserve respect, such as scammers. I think this is a dumb part of your code.
and:
Your code says that you should respect scammers like you want to be respected. That's dumb.
What's all the neg. for? Even Darkness spoke up at this point and asked that the thread not be hijacked.
~Fire~ Clans first code is:
I. Respect others as you wish to be respected.
The Einherjars' 2nd Clan rule is:
2. All members must respect the members of the TAO community
Now if by TAO community you mean 'paying' members that is fine. Although I would say that members include all TAO players grey and gold, in my opinion respect is not bought for $5 per month, it is earned in the way that one carries themselves. Some greys possess more 'respect' in their pinkie fingers than in some Golds entire bodies.

Is Mithrandir clear in this case that you are not telling him to respect scammers?..... and like me you are just asking for people to exercise common sense and intelligence in the Arena? You had better check, although he may be feeling confused with you like I am considering you have stated in your rules that Clan members must respect members of the TAO community... then turn around and start yelling like a mocking child in a school yard as earlier in this hijacked thread:
OWNED!!!!
rather than carry on a conversation like an adult and acknowledge that you may have jumped to conclusions when you pointed the finger at me and played the un-honorable to jump greys card.
But.... by your own admission you can't be held responsible considering you did say in your reply to lthlinjction:
3) I never said I had honor.
I don't believe this is true. I think you do have honor and you are a respected TAO member who simply made the mistake of jumping the wrong noobs clan introduction and making assumptions that you now know aren't true. I think lthlinjction summarized it best when he said:
No much honor in accusing others, hmm?

The same goes for Mithrandir. How bad could a guy who loves Mithrandir and Christ be? I dont' even know you and I already like you dude. Just because you like someone who happens to be in your clan and you consider them a friend doesn't necessarily mean they are "right" when instigating a debate with someone you don't know. :)

I have no problem with The Einherjar Clan or any of it's members, Nitanius and I have played on a few occasions(and he beat me badly) and we had fun and got along at the time. This is what I want in the future too. I just had to express all of this and clear the air on this thread.

Hopefully you'll look at this objectively and understand this isn't a popularity contest and although I'm new and have but a few posts under my belt, what I'm talking about is respect and it is True for all of us.

This is the ~Fire~. Welcome. :)

[Mithrandir]

My advice to you Brahman is to learn to shorten your post to the essentials, rather than a lot of extraneous yacking.

The essentials, that I can see, is that you have a problem with me raising my own point of view on your thread. If you're hoping for an apology, you won't get one. I frequently read the first posts of newb clan threads, to see if they get off on a strong foot. Your first post struck me as okay, but that one silly code thing made me lost a lot of respect for the basics of the clan, so I pointed it out to you. If you can't handle a little criticism, you should probably stick to reading books. You can whine about it being a superfluous argument all you want, but it wasn't. I saw a weakness in the foundation of your clan, so I did you the favor of pointing that out to you.

[Crazy Skillz]

Good Luck :)

[steve12]

Oh my GOD! Will you guys quit it about taking apart other people's posts and making them out to be what they didn't mean to say? We are all human, and regular people on these forums shoud be able to comprehend what one means, while the literal meaning of their phrases may not be totally correct. Learn to let some gramatical errors/loose phrases slide once in a while.

[Brahman]

Strategic Insomniac members quotes regarding Mith on SI website:
You should maybe start listening to others. Because I have had alteast 10 people now come out of nowhere and agree about YOUR attitude.
A link back to this thread? Seriously Mith though, it's his good bye thread. Just drop it and not turn it into another flamefest.
Mith.. as a leader.. Step the **** down with this flaming each other crap.
This is the fourth Si member You have had issues with in public.
Stop picking and carrying on fights with your clan members.
Mithrandir's reason for calling the 1st Code of my clan dumb twice:
I saw a weakness in the foundation of your clan
I see a weakness in the foundation of your leadership.

So far you've criticized me, told me what is dumb about my Clan, and have not offered positive advice or feedback or constructive criticism once. Why is it you came here again? Is this type of behavior a habit of yours? I'm new here, I would have rather gotten help from a Clan leader and veteran such as yourself.

So the reason you posted here was to tell me this Clan code is dumb: I. Respect others as you wish to be respected. and that it is a weak foundation for the Clan?

I don't want an apology, I want you to stop posting on this thread please.

I'm sorry guys.... I never meant for this turn into what is called flaming(is that the right word?), but I'm still feeling a bit shocked at the way some people have acted around here and I just felt that I had to speak on mine and the Clans behalf.

This is an introduction to the ~Fire~ Clan. Let's leave it at that, and I'll stop posting. Thank you. And thanks for keeping objective about all of this Steve.

[Geoffrey]

Lololololol Nice post. Goodluck with your clan, might pop a grey into it.

EDIT: Anyway that code is good anyway.

[Brahman]

Ummmm..., what do you mean by popping a grey into it? Do you mean u will join on your grey account? Or do you mean I might find some good greys to join? I've found a couple good kids so far who are playing a lot and they are all committed to improving their game, so I share with them what I know because they actually listen and want the help. We've got some good players on the roster, but I do need the support of some stronger golds and greys though, mainly to help in forming a solid clan council with Leadership positions for each:

Gold master and Grey master: Each of these leaders opinions and recommendations I will hold in the highest regard, along with other special duties.

Recruiter: I do have a question about this type position guys. Is the general practice to pass leadership to this person so that they can recruit for a while, and then they pass it back to you? Is this a dangerous thing to do?

Grey and Gold strategy teachers :
These leadership positions are very important to me, I need patient people who have a knack for teaching and enjoy helping others develop their game. For example... you arrive in the lobby and you see one of the less experienced ~Fire~ clan members, so you take the initiative and ask if they are interested in a brief lesson to help refine any strategic points that they need help with. Then after offering some training and helping improve our clans skill level, you go and play yourself. See? This is the fastest path to growth in my eyes, but it takes someone who can simply offer their help on a consistent basis.

The main guidelines for leaders in my clan is that I would like them to look below the surface a bit, past good playing and talent, and see if a recruit will truly be good for the clan. For example if they can't speak english hardly then I probably do not want them. No offense, but I want to be able to communicate with my teammates. And if a player is seemingly good, but only because they enter the arena with 5 pyro's, a DSM, and witches I don't think I want them either. They have to demonstrate the ability's of a natural tactician while also having a good attitude and qualities of sportsmanship. Stats are revealing but don't tell me everything I want to know. If a candidate for an invite loses to you and just storms out of the arena w/o so much as a gg or ty, then that is a sign that we don't want them. We have to set the standard for respect and integrity if we are to earn these from other clans.

Anywho, I'll stop babbling, thanks for reading our thread. :bigsmile: